What you are saying is the government is always right and they can do no wrong. And if they do wrong then it is all the people of the United States fault and therefore we should do nothing about it! What complete bullshit. Where are you living is some kind of facist super patriotic follow the leader like a bunch of sheep state. Go back to your FOX television.

If you condon illegal acts by the government then we should also put you in jail.

By the way I believe it is the Republicans who are weak on security. They have made this country a hell of a lot less safe by invading Iraq, who had nothing to do with 9-11. It has been the best recruiting tool for radical islam.

Frankly, you can make the case that Bush should be put in jail for the Iraq war and for lying about the justifications for the war. Torture is small fry compared to the 100,000s of deaths and misery the Bush adminstration caused in Iraq.

Why are you so sure that the article by Tomasky’s in the Guardian is accurate?

Andrew Sullivan gives just as credible argument in his latest piece on the Brits not having tortured during World War II. Why do you automatically assume that Tomasky information is more credible?

Just to assume that Tomasky has all the correct facts is a bit presumptious. Sullivan digs up statements from Colonel Robin “Tin Eye” Stephens who was the commander of the wartime spy prison and interrogation in Britian. He says they did not torture. That is also very credible.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/churchill-vs-cheney.html

You should actully say in your post that there is an opposing view that the Brits did torture and here it is instead of just trying to blame Obama for something that you really have no idea is true or not.

All of this happened a very long time ago and it is not at all clear whether the British really did torture during WWII??

It is just as credible from what has been written that Obama is 100% right that the British did not torture. And in addition his larger point that moral nations don’t torture is right.

Your “gotcha” bullshit is just bullshit.

For instance, where did I claim that Wahhabis and Sufis were anything but peaceful?

Wahhabi Islam is what’s practiced in Saudi Arabia. It is the extremist form of Islam that is taught in the radical madrassahs that encourage the types of practices that we all abhor. Sufis are the mystics. So there is a difference. That was my point.

Self Prosecution!!!
So Ironic!…Isn’t it!

I’m, just totally surprised that you can’t see this but, of course I have had to defend America in other countries and cultures so I have had practice.

I will stand by my country again right now and do whatever it takes to prevent this national collapse.
Democrats have put themselves on the highest of pedestals. They are now boxed in a corner on National Security.
If the slightest of events should happen out of the perception of weakness, Democrats will suffer the largest collapse in political history.

Thanks for that.

After the primary as a Hillary supporter, I despised the attacks. I believe they merely polarize people and just work people up in an unnecessary rage. I will not be badgered in S(ing)TFU.

DCMediagirl: I’ve scanned your comment below. It will be the very, very, rarest of moments if I ever reply to your comments again. That decision will save me a lot of time for *civil discourse*.

While you are obviously so proud of your knowledge of all things Islam, and couldn’t resist regaling us all with your mastery of the subject, your whole lesson appears to be a response to your intentional misreading or distortion of my post. I intentionally referred to the people I was describing as the “enemy”. The “enemy” are the type of monsters that strap bombs to their children, and fly plane loads of people into buildings. I never indicated that all of the Muslims in the world are the enemy, (that is YOUR disgusting distortion) but in the war on terrorism I think it is safe to say that the “enemy” are all muslims; bred, raised, and molded in the cultures that I ACCURATELY described. By far, most of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia where the brutality I wrote about is commonplace.

Be honest (if that’s possible), your whole post is a bizarre response to points and arguments that I never made, and never would make. For instance, where did I claim that Wahhabis and Sufis were anything but peaceful? However, you clearly imply that I’m ignorant for not understanding those sects, and you also imply that I don’t understand the difference between Shia and Sunni. How do you know that I’m not an expert on those subjects? How do you know that I’m not a Suffi? Nothing I wrote indicates otherwise. You quite often assume the ignorance of posters and your superior knowledge, without any evidence to back up your beliefs. What is in evidence though, and is revealed in your posts, is your stark prejudice.