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Hillary Rap (& Open Thread)

By Uppity Woman on April 30, 2008 at 11:37 AM in Hillary Clinton, Superdelegates

UPDATES: Hillary has two new superdelegates: (1) Bill George, DNC member since 1996 and President of the Pennsylvania AFL-CIO (because Hilary is the most “electable,” and (2) Luisette Cabanas at the Universidad del Sagrado Corazon (Puerto Rico). ALSO from that MyDD diary: “This makes 6 new Super delegates (if I count correctly) added to Hillary Clinton’s column since her impressive victory in Pennsylvania last week. Now, if Barack Obama has all the super delegates he needs ‘in the wings’, as his campaign would like you to believe, why would Democratic officials, especially such high-profile ones as Governor Easley of North Carolina.”

See also: Politico‘s Ben Smith on why No. Carolina governor Mike Easley’s endorsement yesterday was so important: “New Clinton supporter is a potent symbol.”

Enjoy!

What else is going on in the world? (I have a new story coming up that should cause some shockwaves in Barry’s world.)

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/30/hillary-rap-open-thread/#more-2347 waldenpond

Fox was just showing this video.

Kourian

FOX had it on? Oh wow. That’s good! It’ll spread! Great!

votehillary08

love this video! It has the same tough, confident attitude that our girl, Hill has.

Kourian

You mean that’s not her in the video? That’s not her in the bubble bath drinking champagne?

it’snotme

LOL! I love it!

workingclass artist

So glad you posted this…..I love this…..

http://www.myspace.com/rokski Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal” AKA “RokSki”

Who is that woman? I like that video!

Here are a series of videos discussing Wright & Obama in the wake of Obama’s poll-test-mandated press conference yesterday:

Barack & Wright: After the Press Conference

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I have no idea who she is but she sure did a great job.

beebop

The laugh is what sells me … I am your Daddy! SMACK!
sonia

i know u r a true supporter

so i am pasting my message below here too ,,,,,,,take action pls
rep lois capps switched her support to ,,OBAMA TODAY

SHE IS IN CA( hill won ca)
i am in ca,,,,

so i called her and gave her the sh,,,t she deserves

here is the number ,,Phone: (202) 225-3601daniel will pick up

everyone call this 70yr white b,,,

Andy

Probably Obama threw a few thousand dollars her way. Obama has been showering money to SD.

Is she up for re-election?
Andy

She looks like Pelosi in blond … Probably got her arm twisted by Nancy. But the $$$ BO probably gave her got to her.

People in this blog from CA should phone her.

Kourian

Rachael Drummond and her brother Alex IIRC.

John

For brain-dead Obamabot ranting on the net,nothing beats a visit to Taegan Goddard’s Political Wire. I encourage any of you who want a laugh to check it out and try to carry out a conversation with the regular posters. Demolishing their inconsistent arguments is like shooting fish in a barrell; the SAME posters have argued in recent weeks that

1. The popular vote is what matters in determining a nominee
2. The popular vote has nothing to do with picking the nominee, only delegates count
3. If the Superdelegates nominate Hillary, they are evil
4. Superdelegates can do whatever they want (now that they are going for Obama)
5. Superdelegates need to support the candidate who won their state
6. Kerry, Kennedy, Patrick, Richardson etc. have every right to support Obama even though Hillary won their states.
8. Any rules that favor Obama are good– posted just today: “Hillary won the popular vote in Texas and got steamrolled in the caucuses? OH BOO HOO!” (That’s the level of discourse you get there. But when Hillary airs an effective ad? She’s being unfair and racist.)
9. Any poll that is favorable to Obama is worth publishing, no matter how obscure. Even if it’s an online poll.

Goddard even published as a “news” story a remark by David Axelrod that Clinton can’t win and should withdraw. Yeah, that’s “news.”

And when they can’t refute your arguments for Hillary, you are a racist, and I won’t type what Hillary is.

I used to go there just for fun, now I feel like I’m just banging my head against the wall.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Love this John. mind if I use it sometime? With appropriate recognition of course!

John

You can use anything I type and I will be nothing but honored. Have you checked out Goddard’s site? I think it’s a refugee camp for people who find the level of discourse at HuffPo and MoveOn above their reading level.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Can you give me a link? I love circular stuff from them.

John

http://politicalwire.com/

I encourage everyone to visit and try to argue, just get ready to be called a moron or troll or RACIST! when it becomes obvious to the person you are talking to that you are much smarter than the average visitor. I’ve even been accused of wanting to “date” a poster I was trying to have an argument with- that’s not an uncommon response when they’ve run out of intelligent arguments, which does not take long.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Thanks!

Jeff

“I think it’s a refugee camp for people who find the level of discourse at HuffPo and MoveOn above their reading level.”

Don’t you mean below?

John

No, I mean the posts at PoliticalWire are even more vapid than the ones at HuffPo.

Kourian

How old are these people? They sound like they’ll be first time voters in 2020.

secularhumanizinevoluter

I L-O-V-E this video!! Clinton should offer to do a cameo in a redo! FUNNY and the women are HOT! JUST likr Hillary!
Kefa

ot—Damage Control????

As it applies to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), blowback may well be the unintended consequences of this week’s public relations blitz, with appearances by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, pastor of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ, at the NAACP, on PBS with Bill Moyers, and a press conference at the National Press Club, with damage control orchestrated on his behalf by David Axelrod, Obama’s chief strategist.

On April 29, 2008, the Washington Post reported the Obama campaign said Rev. Wright “had rebuffed their recent offers of public relations assistance, and they stressed that they had no warning about a media blitz.”

However, Greg Sargent reported the following April 3, 2008, at Talking Points Memo:

Here’s an interesting peek at some of what was going on behind the scenes in Chicago during the controversy over Jeremiah Wright, the pastor at Obama’s Trinity church.

I’m told that top Obama adviser David Axelrod privately tried to help Trinity with its raging public relations problem by asking one of Chicago’s top P.R. firms to go in and help the church deal with its P.R. mess.

Axelrod confirms to me that amid the controversy, Trinity put out word that it was overwhelmed by media calls and in need of help. Axelrod confirms that he called Jim Terman, the president of Jasculca-Terman and Associates, a major Chicago P.R. outfit that specializes in doing crisis P.R. management for corporations and large institutions.

“I called Jim Terman and asked if they were interested in helping out and they followed up with the church,” Axelrod emails, adding that his involvement ended there.

Terman himself confirmed that Axelrod had asked him to help Trinity — and confirmed that his firm was currently doing pro bono work on the beleagured church’s behalf.

“Trinity is a well respected institution in this town, though you wouldn’t believe it from the national press,” Terman said, adding that he has known Axelrod for 25 years. “David was interested in helping the church — the guy he’s working for happens to be a member of the church.”

It’s unclear whether Axelrod was operating partly out of worry about how the controversy was impacting Obama — after all, the church was the first to sound the call for help. But this is nonetheless noteworthy — a glimpse at a previously-unseen aspect of the Obama camp’s efforts to deal with the whole situation.

http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/

You be the judge.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I love that Rezkowatch blog. That person is really putting his/her heart into following that thief.

Patti

loved the video…
http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

Hi Uppity, Larry & Susan UnPC–
I found an article I want you to have Larry. It has names you and Bud White may want to know about — also it is out of Chicago. Also, I just came from Savagepolitics.com and there is a really important piece up over there regarding what we are seeing as an unfolding hate we haven’t seen since the 30′s. I’m pretty sure that given what I have seen in the advertising/marketing end we are looking at a propaganda thing not unlike what happened before once upon a time…like you, the editor over there JC, is very bright and leaves no stone unturned. You can’t dismiss associations you’ve had or people or pastors with a snap of the fingers—you know way more than I of all these things — thanks!

here:
http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/taking-stock-of-barack,1041/

simon, too

I would think the hate peaked with it’s use by Rove as a means of dividing, and conquering, remember where Obama’s stole his strategy.

Obama’s team, top to bottom, is just so amateur, so unable to execute Rove’s master plan.

Don’t they just strike you as a bunch of wannabe’s, who thought it would be so easy, simply because they have neither the skill, nor the intellect to understand the contingencies?

The A teams, democratic, or republican, did not assemble behind Obama, no matter what the appearence.

http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

No, Simon. I’m following the target-marketing and the use of subliminals. I’m watching the proletariat, and researching things that are “doubleplusungood” happen. Flineo and I are on the same page with it. I’m just slower!

apishapa

I read your series on Propaganda this week. Very illuminating, and scary.

http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

thanks! I’m trying to do my part, using my education and my work experiences. My two main careers were at a newspaper, then therapist. I spent a lot of time working for the poor, and so I know what we need to do here, ala WPA, pretty soon, before it gets worse. I’ve been looking at the advertising end because I know that part. The “astroturfing” has led to the obamabot thing happening en masse. Target marketing taken to extremes by Axelrod by using words in propaganda-style manner— like the spin we see–in propaganda this is a tactic, any bad events are respun too fast for the mass to notice–past regimes used this tactic, too.

Escoffier

The Center for Public Intellectuals? Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama thy name is vanity. This is hilarious.

John

Bill Press on Air Obama Radio this morning:

“I dont understand how the Rev. Wright story can continue. It’s over. Obama has denounce the Rev Wright. Why can’t we just let it go? I mean, Hillary had her Bosnia problem, and we’ve let that go. Why not this?

First- talk about a complete non sequitor. What does Obama’s 20-year relatioship with a “spiritual advisor” who turns out to be an unrepentant race-baiting bigot have to do with Hillary’s slightly exaggerating flying into Bosnia? Where is the moral equivalency here?

Second, how have you “let go” something you just brought up, out of the blue, which has no connection to the topic at hand?

Sounds like Press is threatening that if the media keeps bringing up Wright, he’ll keep bringing up Hillary/Bosnia. What the fuck ever, Mr. Press. Blaming Hillary for this problem, and every other problem Obama has is, after all, is what you Obamabots do anyway. Just try to make some sense next time, please.

simon, too

Do they still think the situations are equal, the playing fields equal?

What a bunch of morons.

beebop

Simon:

The Hindenburg crashing wasn’t as spectacular as watching Barry come back to earth. They don’t make wings like they used to, do they Icarus?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F54rqDh2mWA

B-Rob

Hillary’s slightly exaggerating flying into Bosnia

The Warrior Queen of Tuzlah did NOT exaggerate anything! They have it on YouTube!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc&feature=related

B-Rob’s MOM

Well maybe she didn’t but I sure did when I told your father I loved him! And we weren’t protected! And look what’s happened now!

beebop

I love you whoever did this …

I have an idea or two but I don’t want to know.

I want to think that at least five or six of you clever souls are capable and would (did) do this…..
http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

“B-Rob’s MOM” – LMAO/OAML.
it’snotme

ROTFLMAO! B-Rob’s mom gets a THUMBS UP from me! LOL!
workingclass artist

Ehemmm…..I propose B-ROB’S MOM for Sec. of Education in Clinton’ cabinet….chuckle….

John

Oh please! As if anyone would admit be being B-Rob’s mom!

Andy

YAWN…. it’s that the best you got???

Jeff

“Hillary’s slightly exaggerating flying into Bosnia?”

What planet have you been on? No one “slightly exaggerated” anything. She made it up. No sentient being misremembers being shot at. It doesn’t happen. If you say you were shot at, and shots were never fired, you were lying.

Personally, I don’t think it’s the kind of issue that the campaign should revolve around. But if you’re going to twist the truth, you’re going to get called on it.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Damage Control????

That would be like trying to patch the Titanic right after it hit the iceberg — the ship is still gonna sink.

beebop

Drinking coffee after being caught asleep at the wheel?

Checking all of your pockets after remember that you shoved a telegram in one of them?

jwrjr

I saw a new NC campaign ad by Clinton this morning. It states that Clinton proposed a plan to help homeowners with their mortgages, and a plan for a federal gas tax holiday which includes how to pay for it. Obama opposed both. Any moment now we will be inundated with complaints about Clinton’s negative campaigning.

John

Hillary Clinton calls for a federal tax on gas holiday and proposes to pay for it with a windfall tax on oil.

The media’s response is to tell us that “John McCain and Hillary Clinton have both called for a federal tax on gas holiday, but Barack Obama disagrees” followed by clips of Obama calling it “another Washington idea which will do nothing to solve the long-term problem,” followed by cheers from his groupies. And then nothing- no plan at all from Obama.

I am so sick of this BS.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

We will prove to the world the mainstream media are irrelevant. Let those gasbags continue their flatulence. We’ll see who wins this battle.
apishapa

Obama isn’t paying $600/month to get back and forth from work. The big oil companies already owe $10 billion in uncollected taxes. They are making record profits, there is no reason to cut them any slack at all.

In fact, I think farmers might need to lose a few subsidies, too. I expect the neighbors to be outside with pitchforks when I get home, since I live in a rural farming community, but they are cleaning up with $11/bu wheat right now. And still paying shit wages to their employees.

http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

one more thing…(this place is very conservative and not my usual sort of read but…short and to the same point…catcha later alligators! or should I say PressCorps pals? I don’t know what was said in toto about JFK, but he is sacred ground to me. My whole life grew up around his values, and MLK’s. That is what is making all this so horrible. My world and O’s world? Two different places, completely. I remember my mother in tears watching JackieO — Caroline K and I are same gen.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/the_obama_aesthetic.html

simon, too

JFK is sacred to me, too, if you’re speaking of NQ, Susan and Larry are very tolerant, very respectful of others views, it’s America, isn’t it?

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

They are indeed respectful and this site is a safe haven for Hillary supporters. The dissenters here only further our resolve and serve a valuable purpose. Being a dissenter myself (I opposed the war earlier on than many people) we should never censor, even if we find some views distasteful and/or unagreeable. So as much as the Obama supporters “logic” makes no sense at all to me, they should be welcomed here.

simon, too

They’re logic makes no sense, but when they come to disrupt, which is what they do, we should fight back.

It depends on their intent, doesn’t it?

They intend to troll, should we let them?

They have no intention of compromising, at the very least one must be realistic.

There was no bargaining with Hitler, either.

(Which isn’t a comparison, just a mindset, part of a losing strategy (“NO COMPROMISE!) Yeah, tell the Japanese after two atomic bombs… Why do people still think democrats, or Americans, are dumb? Fighting for peace is not the same as being a pu$$ie.)

simon, too

Their, sorry, and to continue with the last thought there, war changes, war tactics change, they emerge…
http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

You have to balance fighting back with not over-feeding them in my opinion. I was not trying to imply appeasement. Judicial use of energy is always in order.

simon, too

As Americans, we really don’t understand the power this country has, due to it’s resources, it’s intellect, and it’s abilities.

Bush almost unilaterally decided to take out Iraq, and did, Iran is threatened, daily, by Cheney’s kooks.

It’s like being married to an abusive husband, or being a boy, physically bullies in high school, I would suppose, you never know when the kook is gonna blow and clean your clock.

Whereas under a sane administration, whether Ford, say, or Clinton, (republican or democrat) America is seen, I would suppose, as the stable ally, the one who will protect the others from the crazies, all things being equal, who will work out solutions without resorting to violence as a first, thoughtless line of defense. Our enemies know how to play our stupid leaders.

Bullying is strategically weak, though bullies don’t understand.

It will be a relief to have a SANE president in the white house again, barring Obama’s election.

And I haven’t really spent enough time watching McCain, yet, to make a judgement there.

I don’t slander people simply because they re republicans, overall, it’s rude, unproductive, disrespectful, and bad strategy.

I will if he’s a corrupt nut, though.

B-Rob

Bush almost unilaterally decided to take out Iraq

Er, no. He got congressional authority first. Remember? And do I need to remind you the name of a certain Senator who voted “yes” on giving that authority? The same woman who talks about “completely obliterating” Iran! You think she would be “sane”, but Obama not? OK.

DSM IV-TR 297.1

ginaswo

are you a psychiatrist then citing dxs from the DSM?
ces

DSM IV-TR 297.1: Blob’s new call sign.

Project much?

http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

no, I meant the link I posted was way more conservative conservative! I love NQ. I feel I know the “voices” that are here as if they are friends! I think I am a liberal Green Democrat. But what Californians call this is not what O represents? The Repubs might want to call us progressive, but to me that means Peace Corps stuff, feed and house the poor, (but right now, U. S. first) we have to! –and work on Green Energy and Solar, no nukes that sort of “progressive”
70′s values…sort of thing. Just basic stuff!

LOL! I think the people here are like that too…that is why it feels very comfortable here!

simon, too

yeah, but you gave us a chance to discuss what it is to be American, there has been so much intolerance, it’s nice to know you can still like someone, be tolerant, consider their point of view, disagree, but still strive to do what is right, for the country, first.

So thanks.

http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

I bring things here, because of the minds here that know more than I do. I feel like if I see a red flag issue, Larry or someone who knows more about it than I will look into it further. I think that the people writing the editorials here are very, very intelligent, as is the audience. Anyway, I have no problems being bi-partisan in terms of reading what people are thinking about what they are seeing happen especially if it looks like 1930 all over again. What I’m worried about is Fascism, due to Nationalism in any form. We are Americans, and I believe if we ever see that, we will act to stop it. We have to, as part of our creedo. Also, we were loved once, by the world. I want that time back, soon. Go, Hillary…win! and get to work on putting us back where we belong…where we all get along!

Dawnelle

Commenting now (will scroll back later)

YIPPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

And I saw that Kooky video the other day and was humming that tune for EVER!!! hahaha!

Hysterical! Love it!

LOVE the GOOD NEWS FOR OUR SIDE TOO!
Thanks Uppity, Larry, everyone, for keeping me up to speed!
sonia

rep lois capps switched her support to ,,OBAMA TODAY

SHE IS IN CA( hill won ca)
i am in ca,,,,

so i called her and gave her the sh,,,t she deserves

here is the number ,,Phone: (202) 225-3601daniel will pick up

everyone call this 70yr white b,,,

B-Rob

HA HA HA HA HA HA!

So much for “all the hate coming from the Obama people”!

simon, too

No, I would suppose, given Obama’s tactics, there is a kickback involved.

Again, bad news days, well, trot out a paid for superdelegate.

You see, Obama PAYS for his support, people, good strong people who win, can’t be enticed to his side, no matter the sum.

And it shows, doesn’t it?

B-Rob

Keep telling yourself that.

Wonder why, no matter what happens, the supers still keep endorsing Obama over Hill? I guess Rev. Wright or no Rev. Wright, they still understand that Obama is STILL MORE ELECTABLE than the Warrior Queen of Tuzla!

Scoreboard!

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/30/hillary-rap-open-thread/#comment-215956 Peter

Sorry, I usually just lurk, but you’re too funny to pass up. The only reason a superdee would support Obama, would be because they are too chickensh!t to take back the White House in such challenging times. He is electable because of ‘you know what’ for the primary only. He absolutely is not electable for the GE. You are so scared it is pathetic. If any Obama followers were sure he had the nomination, you’d be out living your lives until it was time to cast your ballot in November. All of you are as much frigging pus/pan/woosies as the 90 lb weakling you support.

I said many months ago… I thought there was a good chance we would have a woman in the White House, I just didn’t realize it was going to be Obama. His display of ‘sensitivity’ (waaaa) over Wright was just another demonstration of how weak his is.

You have apparently ‘won’, unhook the kool-aid IV, go outside and get some air and stop with the hand wringing, whinging and whining.

Kefa

Mr Press…..I’ll see your Bosnia…..and raise Mr.Wright. We will see what the public thinks.
pm317

What else is going on in the world? (I have a new story coming up that should cause some shockwaves in Barry’s world.)

Can’t wait!

beebop

Hopefully he’s changed his diaper since yesterday!

beebop

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/obama-and-ayers-relationship-predates-woods-fund-board-memberships/

Ayers recommended Obama for a position with a board he created called The Annenberg Challenge?

How crazy is this guy to just lie, lie, lie?

Barack Obama has a new entanglement with unrepentant Weatherman Bill Ayers which I detail below. The gist is this – back in the mid-90’s Bill Ayers was instrumental in the creation and early operation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an effort committed to the reform of Chicago’s public schools. Barack Obama was Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which suggests he worked closely with Ayers for several years.

beebop

more info about the Annenberg Challenge …

http://www.edexcellence.net/institute/publication/publication.cfm?id=41&pubsubid=634#634

politicsIsdirty

Great video !!!

How about another video in “bitter” controversy.

B-Rob

Yeah, need to resurrect that one!

http://noratings.blogspot.com/ Bud White

This is off-topic, friendly reminder to donate to Hillary TODAY!!!

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/contribute/GSYS
typical.white.person

I heard David Shuster (MSNBC – said Chelsea Clinton was “pimping”) on Air America today.

Was he finally fired by MSNBC, or is he doing double duty?

Jeff

“Was he finally fired by MSNBC, or is he doing double duty?”

He is doing double-duty–he’s been back on MSNBC for weeks.
Dawnelle

A friend of mine on line earlier told me he was filling in for that nasty pasty faced Ed Schultz (he reminds me of Sgt Schultz and just as dim-witted)

B-Rob

Two more superdelegates came out for Obama today! The odds of Hillary surviving just got a little longer . . . .

http://noratings.blogspot.com/ Bud White

Two more superdelegates for Hillary today. The odds of BO surviving past May 6 just got longer.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

If we see a massive defection to Hillary under way, you think Dean will be keep demanding the remaining SDs decide right away?

sonia

Obama is going to have to take Imodium AD after the new polls

——————————————————————————–

Gallup – Hillary vs obama hillary + 1
Rasmussen – hillary vs obama Obama +4, but down -4 in 1 day
Survey Usa – North Carolina Obama +5, down -4
PPD – Indiana Hillary + 9
Survey Usa – Indiana Hillary +8

Rasmussen – mccain vs obama +1 mccain
Gallup – Mccain vs obama +2 mccain
RCP Avg Mccain vs Obama obama +1

Rasmussen – Hillary vs mccain tied
Gallup – Hillary vs mcain hillary +2
RCP Avg Hillary vs mccain +3.3 hillary

AP Ipsos Hillary has a 9 point national lead over mccain, obama only has a 2 pointlead.

This guys numbers have fallen dramatically since pennsylvania
http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

The trolls as usual and on purpose when something powerful is pointed out (The video and the MSM coverage of it) don’t address directly the topic at hand. And its not the video that is most important, its the coverage it is getting and the overall momentum switch (the real “scoreboard” that counts in this race) towards Hillary and away from Obama. Quote as many polls as you want, I have my own mind and this is the reality I see via my own truth discernment skills.
http://noratings.blogspot.com/ Bud White

Too bad Obama denounced Wright. Now I can’t play buzz word bingo on the Obamablogs when they say to put Wright’s words in “context.” You know, the context where calling our great nation the US of KKA is acceptable – snark.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

I’m sure you will find a way to keep reminding them. Its fair game, since they don’t mind harping on Bosnia forever.

B-Rob

Since Pennsylvania, Obama has gained nine supers to Hillary’s four . . . three of Obama’s coming in the last two days! Yes folks, the tide IS turning. Unfortunately, for you, not in the direction you expected.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

The game is far from over. And as someone who loves scoreboards surely you realize having a 14-10 lead at the end of the third quarter does not mean a win at the end of the game.

B-Rob

Well, of course you are right! It is not over until it is over. But you are talking about the middle of the fourth quarter and Obama has the lead, he has the ball, he has a strong running game, and is also completing passes. You guys have to blitz every down to try to create more pressure . . . but that just makes you susceptible to quick hitters up the middle. Which is what just happened today!

Question: even with what happened on Monday at the Nat. Press Club, why do you think Hillary is even further behind than she was before?

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

I don’t think “Hillary is even further behind than she was before” so I can’t answer. I am measuring the lead by momentum and by how I discern said momentum. Clearly you and I view things differently.

Obama has had a bad week by how I look that things. How it plays out in the end on the final scoreboard is what counts and we’ll see. How you look at things may lead you to believe he had a better week or even a good week based on numbers you find. But I would disagree with that viewpoint en total.

There’s an ebb and flow to elections and I am trying to look at the big curve on the graph as best as I am able. Once again we’ll see what happens.

it’snotme

Since PA., Mr. Hope has plummeted in the polls. Hillary picked up 2 SDs yesterday and 1 PA SD today. Unfortunately for you, not the direction you expected.

Obama is toast.

B-Rob

My post was dated. Obama has now picked up three . . . one in Cali. and two in Iowa. The S.S. Hillary is about to get swamped!

jocelyn

no silly it is called obama’s futile attempt at damage control. why do we keep replaying this same movie? we all know how this ends, hil will rock obama on tuesday in nc and in and all of you will be trying to figure out why. then you say it is because folks are racist. shortly after you will resort to bashing hillary and telling yourself that obama has already won and that she should drop out.

B-Rob

Question: even with what happened on Monday at the Nat. Press Club, why do you think Hillary is even further behind in delegates (via the supers going for Obama) than she was before?

beebop

Read the polls.

Who wants to be the last superdelegate to throw him/herself on the poopy funeral pyre for Oloser?

beebop

Article entitled “The Reverend Wright is entitled to defend his reputation ….” Snow balls? Hell?

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_9103956
indypol

“Since Pennsylvania, Obama has gained nine supers to Hillary’s fou”

I’ll take Gov. Easley any time of the week. Obama is unelectable, and an utter waste of political bandwidth. After the abysmal day he had yesterday, he better rustle up a fewe delegates.

Hillary+9 in national poll against McCain is the surest sign that the HMO factor – Hillary beats McCain, McCain beats Obama – which we’ve seen in the swing states for weeks now is finally taking hold nationally.

B-Rob

Obama is “unelectable” in your eyes. Fine. But don’t you find it at all curious that his fellow politicians, the superdelegates, simply don’t see things your way? Do you think THEY might have a better idea who is and who is not “unelectable” since they have previously been ELECTED?

In addition, if Obama is “unelectable” what does that make the person who can’t beat him: double unelectable?

beebop

Nearly half of Democrats (48 percent) think Hillary Clinton has a better chance of beating John McCain in November – 10 percentage points higher than the 38 percent who think Barack Obama can win, according to a FOX News poll released Wednesday. This represents a significant shift from March, when Democrats said Obama was the candidate more likely to beat McCain
ces

Because come November those SD votes won’t mean diddly.

First to be handed he nomination(?), first to lose it. Bravo. Another four years of McFlightSuit.

Jeff

More good news…

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9976.html

beebop

Nearly half of Democrats (48 percent) think Hillary Clinton has a better chance of beating John McCain in November — 10 percentage points higher than the 38 percent who think Barack Obama can win, according to a FOX News poll released Wednesday. This represents a significant shift from March, when Democrats said Obama was the candidate more likely to beat McCain.

November is the prize, remember? Or is the any Democrat just bullshit with you?

B-Rob

This just in:

Desperate Hill-bots resort to citing Faux News Polls. Details at 11.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Are they “Faux News Polls” when they favor Obama? Of course not and honestly, would you hesitate to quote them yourself?

B-Rob

You won’t ever see ME us a Faux News poll for anything . . . except lining my cats’ litterboxes. But if a Faux News poll is all you have left to console you, don’t let me stand in your way. Need a tissue? Or are Hill-bots not programmed to cry?

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

But if a Faux News poll is all you have left to console you

I did not quote the poll. And consolation comes after a loss. The “scoreboard” is not final.

Ciao,

G-N-G

beebop

Nearly half of Democrats (48 percent) think Hillary Clinton has a better chance of beating John McCain in November – 10 percentage points higher than the 38 percent who think Barack Obama can win, according to a FOX News poll released Wednesday. This represents a significant shift from March, when Democrats said Obama was the candidate more likely to beat McCain

Facts are not your friends, are they?

B-Rob

Jeff, now you are just rubbing it in . . . . Rub harder!

beebop

Nearly half of Democrats (48 percent) think Hillary Clinton has a better chance of beating John McCain in November – 10 percentage points higher than the 38 percent who think Barack Obama can win, according to a FOX News poll released Wednesday. This represents a significant shift from March, when Democrats said Obama was the candidate more likely to beat McCain

It’s the GENERAL ELECTION, stupid ….

Everyone gets one vote.

B-Rob

Uh, huh. And traditionally, the one who gets to go the the general is the one who WINS THE DEM VOTES in the primaries and caucuses. Funny how the Hillbots want to change THAT rule, too.

So lets check the progression: first what was important was delegates. The it was superdelegates. Then delegates did not matter because it was who was ahead in the popular vote. Now that that looks undoable, we now get to the entirely amorphous “electability” argument. but yopu would think that the person with MORE Dem support would be considered more electable. No. Now we go by “momentum”, defined as who won what during a subjective time period chosen by Hillary. And you guys wonder why people think she is untrustworthy!

JoeySky

Susan, they have a new video. Hail to the chief. Can you add it in your post?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMZCEoJ5zXU&feature=related
Annagain

Just called Lois Capps office (spoke with Tobias) to register my displeasure at her ridiculous endorsement of Sen. Obama — you know — the supremely unelectable candidate. She also clearly went against the will of her state. Wonder how much money his pac donated to her campaign?

B-Rob

Lois has known Hillary for 10 plus years . . . yet just endorsed Obama. Interesting . . . .

fumiste

incredible how Hillary is coming back in North Carolina. She can actually keep this to single digits, even after being down 20 pts. And she has not said a word about Wright.

Now if we’d just apply the rules like Barry says, and give half the delegates she won to Hillary, and none to Obama (because of his trip in Sept. 07, where he gave a presser), we’d see the delegate count a little clearer.

Not that it matters, the elected delegates. The SDs will go with the popular vote winner (especially after FL, OH, etc.) and the most electable (i.e., whose momentum is not dead in the water).

So it will be Hillary, no doubt about it.

beebop

She’s on FOX right now talking about Wright among other things. Live.

beebop

My bad. They are just running a story ahead of the 8:00 PM with Bill O …

fumiste

incredible how Hillary is coming back in North Carolina. She can actually keep this to single digits, even after being down 20 pts. And she has not said a word about Wright.

Now if we’d just apply the rules like Barry says, and give half the delegates she won to Hillary, and none to Obama (because of his trip in Sept. 07, where he gave a presser), we’d see the delegate count a little clearer.

Not that it matters, the elected delegates. The SDs will go with the popular vote winner (especially after FL ’00, OH ’04, etc.) and the most electable (i.e., whose momentum is not dead in the water).

So it will be Hillary, no doubt about it.

jwrjr

Notice that with the trolls, Obama cutting Clinton’s 20 point lead in PA to 10 (imaginary, it was 10 or a little more all along) was Clinton’s doom, while when Clinton cuts Obama’s 20 point lead in NC down below 10, … crickets …

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

The SD stuff: many could all swing over to Obama but they could also change their minds, so I am not concerned. Plenty of time left so let the game continue on. We’ll just have to wait and see what’s on that final “scoreboard.”

As Hillary just sent out in an E-mail:

This race isn’t decided yet, no matter what the Obama campaign would like you to think.

And to get back to the video and MSM coverage of it, that’s cool!
B-Rob

The SD stuff: many could all swing over to Obama but they could also change their minds,

And monkeys COULD fly out your butt. I doubt that will happen either.
B-Rob

Paul Krugman pans Hillary’s gas tax idea:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/gas-tax-follies/

Anyway, John McCain has a really bad idea on gasoline, Hillary Clinton is emulating him (but with a twist that makes her plan pointless rather than evil), and Barack Obama, to his credit, says no.

Why doesn’t cutting the gas tax this summer make sense? It’s Econ 101 tax incidence theory: if the supply of a good is more or less unresponsive to the price, the price to consumers will always rise until the quantity demanded falls to match the quantity supplied. Cut taxes, and all that happens is that the pretax price rises by the same amount. The McCain gas tax plan is a giveaway to oil companies, disguised as a gift to consumers.
http://Supergram.blogspot.com Melissa

Boo Hoo Hoo the big baby is crying again- he has filed a complaint with the F.E.C. A 527 has an add that he doesn’t like- boo hoo hoo it uses quoes saying his plans have no specifics-
oh poor baby- a 527 calling out your non-proposals- sorry- (not)

check it out at Huffington post

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http://Supergram.blogspot.com Melissa

oops sorry try this

http://tinyurl.com/5ymcog
http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

Chelsea Clinton just bagged a superdelegate for her mother. The youngest Clinton is campaigning today in San Juan, Puerto Rico. A few moments ago, at the Universidad del Sagrado Corazon, Luisette Cabanas, an unpledged superdelegate, announced her support for Clinton, giving the campaign the majority of automatic** delegates on the island.

– from Mark Ambinder / The Atlantic blog