Comments on: Bush Administration’s Dark Side: Torturing a Clerk http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/ Sun, 27 May 2012 06:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: NomNomNom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1206789 NomNomNom Wed, 20 May 2009 04:22:05 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1206789 Yes, Mckinney, & probably more times than all the rest of them combined Yes, Mckinney, & probably more times than all the rest of them combined

]]> By: BigMIke http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1206774 BigMIke Wed, 20 May 2009 03:32:56 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1206774 <strong>BigMIke...</strong> I am So Lucky That I found your blog and great articles. I will come to your blog often for finding new great articles from your blog.I am adding your rss feed in my reader Thank you... BigMIke…

I am So Lucky That I found your blog and great articles. I will come to your blog often for finding new great articles from your blog.I am adding your rss feed in my reader Thank you…

]]> By: gonzotx http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1202053 gonzotx Thu, 07 May 2009 22:25:42 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1202053 Let's see...Waterboarding or beheading? Hmmmm Let’s see…Waterboarding or beheading? Hmmmm

]]> By: BARB http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201904 BARB Thu, 07 May 2009 15:00:17 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201904 Of course there will be no prosecution.....Afterall, they would have to include Pelosi, Rockefeller and all the other Dems who knew of and approved of the torture..and they might as well include Hillary and Obama and all those who voted for the funding of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan over and over, which included funding for what was happening at GITMO. Did any of the Presidential candidates speak out against the torture...other than Kucinch and Nader? What a bunch of hypocrites. Of course there will be no prosecution…..Afterall, they would have to include Pelosi, Rockefeller and all the other Dems who knew of and approved of the torture..and they might as well include Hillary and Obama and all those who voted for the funding of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan over and over, which included funding for what was happening at GITMO. Did any of the Presidential candidates speak out against the torture…other than Kucinch and Nader? What a bunch of hypocrites.

]]> By: Retired http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201796 Retired Thu, 07 May 2009 05:56:09 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201796 Setting aside the question of torture, "just a personnel clerk" is an incredibly naive statement vis a vis the value of an interrogation subject. How would you like to get your hands on the "personnel clerk" who knows the identities and locations of all CIA NOC officers? Al Qaeda's "personnel clerk" seems like a pretty good find to me. Which makes the torture of him all the more idiotic. What if we could persuade an Al Qaeda "personnel clerk" who knew the identities and locations of AQ operatives worldwide that he had been misled by bin Laden as to the Holy sanction of his cause and methodology and in so doing to cooperate with us willingly and tell us everyone and everything that he knew in order to save them from also being misled? Think that this can't be done? Guess again. U.S. intelligence has turned incredible hard cases to our side. It isn't easy. But when it happens, the information that you get is high quality and sometimes even plentiful because the intent is positive instead of the avoidance of pain. Setting aside the question of torture, “just a personnel clerk” is an incredibly naive statement vis a vis the value of an interrogation subject. How would you like to get your hands on the “personnel clerk” who knows the identities and locations of all CIA NOC officers? Al Qaeda’s “personnel clerk” seems like a pretty good find to me.
Which makes the torture of him all the more idiotic. What if we could persuade an Al Qaeda “personnel clerk” who knew the identities and locations of AQ operatives worldwide that he had been misled by bin Laden as to the Holy sanction of his cause and methodology and in so doing to cooperate with us willingly and tell us everyone and everything that he knew in order to save them from also being misled? Think that this can’t be done? Guess again. U.S. intelligence has turned incredible hard cases to our side. It isn’t easy. But when it happens, the information that you get is high quality and sometimes even plentiful because the intent is positive instead of the avoidance of pain.

]]> By: NomNomNom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201755 NomNomNom Thu, 07 May 2009 03:34:03 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201755 except that the same people run BHO as ran Bush: "defense" contractors and the financial sector. Investigation of either will lead to the same sources. Imo, we should attempt to punish all corruption, previous, current, and future. except that the same people run BHO as ran Bush: “defense” contractors and the financial sector. Investigation of either will lead to the same sources. Imo, we should attempt to punish all corruption, previous, current, and future.

]]> By: NomNomNom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201753 NomNomNom Thu, 07 May 2009 03:30:53 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201753 apparently, that would be "not". :mad: apparently, that would be “not”.
:mad:

]]> By: lightacandle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201740 lightacandle Thu, 07 May 2009 03:12:42 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201740 "adagioforstrings": The United Nations INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS, in Article 7 says: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. In particular, no one shall be subjected without his free consent to medical or scientific experimentation." http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cpr.html "no one" means no one, war or no war. - - - - - The United Nations UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS, of which Eleanor Roosevelt was the chairperson at its creation, says in Article Five: "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." http://www.hrweb.org/legal/udhr.html That means NO ONE, war or no war. - - - - - We, as a nation have signed these treaties and, according to our Constitution, treaties are "the supreme Law of the Land": "...and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land" http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html “adagioforstrings”:

The United Nations INTERNATIONAL COVENANT ON CIVIL AND POLITICAL RIGHTS, in Article 7 says: “No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. In particular, no one shall be subjected without his free consent to medical or scientific experimentation.”
http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cpr.html

“no one” means no one, war or no war.

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The United Nations UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS, of which Eleanor Roosevelt was the chairperson at its creation, says in Article Five: “No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.”
http://www.hrweb.org/legal/udhr.html

That means NO ONE, war or no war.

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We, as a nation have signed these treaties and, according to our Constitution, treaties are “the supreme Law of the Land”: “…and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land” http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

]]> By: adagioforstrings http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201556 adagioforstrings Wed, 06 May 2009 23:24:29 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201556 <blockquote>"They stripped him naked and suspended him from hooks in the ceiling."</blockquote> This would be the only accusation that I would consider to be real torture. As for the rest, I had to put up with similar treatment growing up with four older brothers & minimal adult supervision. I'm skeptical as the accuracy of the so-called journalism & the veracity of the source, since Al Qaeda members are instructed in their <a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/manualpart1.html" rel="nofollow"> training manual</a> to always accuse their enemies of torture. I also find it highly disingenuous that a photo from Abu Grahib was linked to this story, since the actions at AG were not sanctioned by the US government & the perpetrators were court martialled. <strong>Roman numral I</strong> is that non-uniformed combatants are not covered by the Geneva Convention. The are viewed as spies & saboteurs. Unless you think that the CIA should be protected by the Geneva COnvention, there is no way on earth that Al Qaeda terrorists should receive the privilege.

“They stripped him naked and suspended him from hooks in the ceiling.”

This would be the only accusation that I would consider to be real torture. As for the rest, I had to put up with similar treatment growing up with four older brothers & minimal adult supervision.

I’m skeptical as the accuracy of the so-called journalism & the veracity of the source, since Al Qaeda members are instructed in their training manual to always accuse their enemies of torture.

I also find it highly disingenuous that a photo from Abu Grahib was linked to this story, since the actions at AG were not sanctioned by the US government & the perpetrators were court martialled.

Roman numral I is that non-uniformed combatants are not covered by the Geneva Convention. The are viewed as spies & saboteurs. Unless you think that the CIA should be protected by the Geneva COnvention, there is no way on earth that Al Qaeda terrorists should receive the privilege.

]]> By: Shainzona http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201554 Shainzona Wed, 06 May 2009 23:21:39 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201554 Want to make your blood boil? The MSM is reporting that there will be no prosecution for the "torture memos". So they have now labeled this whole mess as relating to MEMOS - without the admission that those MEMOS led to actual torture. I am ashamed for my country right now. Want to make your blood boil? The MSM is reporting that there will be no prosecution for the “torture memos”.

So they have now labeled this whole mess as relating to MEMOS – without the admission that those MEMOS led to actual torture.

I am ashamed for my country right now.

]]> By: Diana L. C. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201553 Diana L. C. Wed, 06 May 2009 23:19:54 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201553 In a large quarrel between countries or in a small quarrel between two people, when one combatant pulls the other to the low road, the other has the hardest job in remaining in the right as far as the country or the person is concerned: get back to the high road. We didn't even try. I don't care who the man is, torture is WRONG and it DOESN'T WORK, EXCEPT TO BRING SCORN TO THE PEOPLE WHO TORTURE. In a large quarrel between countries or in a small quarrel between two people, when one combatant pulls the other to the low road, the other has the hardest job in remaining in the right as far as the country or the person is concerned: get back to the high road. We didn’t even try.

I don’t care who the man is, torture is WRONG and it DOESN’T WORK, EXCEPT TO BRING SCORN TO THE PEOPLE WHO TORTURE.

]]> By: Ladydawnelle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201548 Ladydawnelle Wed, 06 May 2009 23:10:12 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201548 GOD FORGIVE THEM FORGIVE US WE WILL NEVER FORGET NOT THEN NOT NOW NOT EVER!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! GGGGROWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! PUMA 4 EVER GOD

FORGIVE THEM

FORGIVE US

WE WILL NEVER FORGET

NOT THEN

NOT NOW

NOT EVER!!!!

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

GGGGROWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

PUMA 4 EVER

]]> By: Animal Control http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201528 Animal Control Wed, 06 May 2009 22:50:57 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201528 <blockquote>This cannot stand. For any reason.</blockquote> Ditto that! We're either a country of Laws or we're not!

This cannot stand. For any reason.

Ditto that! We’re either a country of Laws or we’re not!

]]> By: foxyladi14 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201520 foxyladi14 Wed, 06 May 2009 22:40:41 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201520 this kind of abuse must never happen again. this kind of abuse must never happen again.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23552/bush-administrations-dark-side-torturing-a-clerk/#comment-1201513 TeakWoodKite Wed, 06 May 2009 22:29:20 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23552#comment-1201513 If one is against torture does "terrorist" man station matter? My thoughts are if we find the bad man (rotten human) and it resists capture, then 6 feet under it will go. If we capture these individuals, it is our humanity which directs us to NOT torture. Nevermind the law and Constitution. What is it about self preservation that invokes primal behavior? I am NOT picking a bone with anyone else here that may think the ends justify the means. At the same time I would not apologize for what was done in my name. Just fix it and hold accountable those who broke our laws. If one is against torture does “terrorist” man station matter?

My thoughts are if we find the bad man (rotten human) and it resists capture, then 6 feet under it will go. If we capture these individuals, it is our humanity which directs us to NOT torture. Nevermind the law and Constitution.

What is it about self preservation that invokes primal behavior?

I am NOT picking a bone with anyone else here that may think the ends justify the means. At the same time I would not apologize for what was done in my name. Just fix it and hold accountable those who broke our laws.

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