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		<title>By: Illinois Voter</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23684/we-still-have-to-pay-the-bill/#comment-1201763</link>
		<dc:creator>Illinois Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 03:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Write your representatives to co-sponsor and support this important
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HR 1207 Audit the Federal Reserve, now has 124 co-sponsors in the House of Representatives.

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Write your representatives to co-sponsor and support this important<br />
legislative bill.</p>
<p>HR 1207 Audit the Federal Reserve, now has 124 co-sponsors in the House of Representatives.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/</a></p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23684/we-still-have-to-pay-the-bill/#comment-1201480</link>
		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the Almighty Spam Filter rejected the above comment, and so I reposted it on LD&#039;s Sense on Cents site, and Larry was so kind as to answer.  Here is his response:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow….I will say that I have been increasingly bewildered by the equity market price action. In fact, I said to somebody just the other day that I have begun to discount the price action in the equity market as not being in sync with the economy.

In my opinion, if the equity markets are truly reflective of the health of the economy, then the bond market should be a LOT lower than it is currently even with the Fed’s purchasing program.

One of these two markets is out of sync and potentially both.

If the govt is using GS or anybody else to prop the market, the losses involved in foreclosures and defaults are very real and can not be avoided. That is the real economy and that has my focus.

If the equity markets rally and I miss it, c’est la vie. I’m not playing. I’m writing and looking to help people “navigate the economic landscape.”

One final point, as I mentioned in my post Water Finds Its Own Level, markets which are manipulated work their way lower to find their natural level over time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the Almighty Spam Filter rejected the above comment, and so I reposted it on LD&#8217;s Sense on Cents site, and Larry was so kind as to answer.  Here is his response:</p>
<blockquote><p>Wow….I will say that I have been increasingly bewildered by the equity market price action. In fact, I said to somebody just the other day that I have begun to discount the price action in the equity market as not being in sync with the economy.</p>
<p>In my opinion, if the equity markets are truly reflective of the health of the economy, then the bond market should be a LOT lower than it is currently even with the Fed’s purchasing program.</p>
<p>One of these two markets is out of sync and potentially both.</p>
<p>If the govt is using GS or anybody else to prop the market, the losses involved in foreclosures and defaults are very real and can not be avoided. That is the real economy and that has my focus.</p>
<p>If the equity markets rally and I miss it, c’est la vie. I’m not playing. I’m writing and looking to help people “navigate the economic landscape.”</p>
<p>One final point, as I mentioned in my post Water Finds Its Own Level, markets which are manipulated work their way lower to find their natural level over time.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23684/we-still-have-to-pay-the-bill/#comment-1201471</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not planning on dying anytime soon, sorry.  That means I&#039;m paying.  And I don&#039;t have any children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not planning on dying anytime soon, sorry.  That means I&#8217;m paying.  And I don&#8217;t have any children.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Doyle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23684/we-still-have-to-pay-the-bill/#comment-1201469</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both happened. Plenty of people in both groups were doing credible and professional work and plenty were real slime/buzzards feeding on the same carcass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both happened. Plenty of people in both groups were doing credible and professional work and plenty were real slime/buzzards feeding on the same carcass.</p>
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		<title>By: ziggy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23684/we-still-have-to-pay-the-bill/#comment-1201373</link>
		<dc:creator>ziggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Acorn intimidated banks into giving mortgages to people who had no business having one and had no intention of paying for them.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;No.&lt;/strong&gt;  What happened was that unknown people &lt;strong&gt;in the financial industries&lt;/strong&gt; made astonishingly fast and vast profits by deliberately making unsafe loans and transfering the attendant risk onto other unsuspecting parties.  They did this from the level of individual loan origination all the way up the chain, cunningly bundling bad loans  with the good in a manner calculated to conceal the actual risk level.  Investment instruments were sold and resold with false risk ratings; derivative instruments were created to give an illusion of safety and deeper concealment of bad bets.  These were themselves sold and resold as if they had actual value.  

Somewhere along the line we seem to have forgotten that the national and global economy were raided by pirates, who for the most part have gotten away with their loot unnoticed.  It serves their ends if we blame politicians, ACORN, people who have lost their homes, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Acorn intimidated banks into giving mortgages to people who had no business having one and had no intention of paying for them.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>No.</strong>  What happened was that unknown people <strong>in the financial industries</strong> made astonishingly fast and vast profits by deliberately making unsafe loans and transfering the attendant risk onto other unsuspecting parties.  They did this from the level of individual loan origination all the way up the chain, cunningly bundling bad loans  with the good in a manner calculated to conceal the actual risk level.  Investment instruments were sold and resold with false risk ratings; derivative instruments were created to give an illusion of safety and deeper concealment of bad bets.  These were themselves sold and resold as if they had actual value.  </p>
<p>Somewhere along the line we seem to have forgotten that the national and global economy were raided by pirates, who for the most part have gotten away with their loot unnoticed.  It serves their ends if we blame politicians, ACORN, people who have lost their homes, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Pook</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23684/we-still-have-to-pay-the-bill/#comment-1201356</link>
		<dc:creator>Pook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the news is grim it&#039;s a beautifully written post, LD. You should send this in as an OpEd to a MSM paper somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the news is grim it&#8217;s a beautifully written post, LD. You should send this in as an OpEd to a MSM paper somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LD, I&#039;ve asked you before about TARP funds and other taxpayer resources finding their way to prop up the stock market in blatant market manipulation.  Your opinion, as I recall, is that you were doubtful such a thing is occurring.  I wonder if you still hold this opinion?  I read lots of comments from traders on Market Watch and other sites pertaining to this subject, and Goldman Sachs seems to be at the center of the manipulation &quot;conspiracy&quot; theories.  This remark from &quot;Law97&quot; on MW is typical:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is not a classic suckers rally, this time it is different. The Fed is printing and the treasury is handing over trillions to GS and the like with the back room understanding that after all the bonus payouts, they must use some of the taxpayer money to prop up the stock market. The side benefit is that the SEC will continue to look the other way as the TARP recipients make insider trading profits when they put the money to work. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you still think that such possibilities of market manipulation are remote?  I don&#039;t have a financial dog in this fight--I&#039;m just very curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LD, I&#8217;ve asked you before about TARP funds and other taxpayer resources finding their way to prop up the stock market in blatant market manipulation.  Your opinion, as I recall, is that you were doubtful such a thing is occurring.  I wonder if you still hold this opinion?  I read lots of comments from traders on Market Watch and other sites pertaining to this subject, and Goldman Sachs seems to be at the center of the manipulation &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; theories.  This remark from &#8220;Law97&#8243; on MW is typical:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is not a classic suckers rally, this time it is different. The Fed is printing and the treasury is handing over trillions to GS and the like with the back room understanding that after all the bonus payouts, they must use some of the taxpayer money to prop up the stock market. The side benefit is that the SEC will continue to look the other way as the TARP recipients make insider trading profits when they put the money to work. </p></blockquote>
<p>Do you still think that such possibilities of market manipulation are remote?  I don&#8217;t have a financial dog in this fight&#8211;I&#8217;m just very curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with portions of both opinions but I am concerned, Larry that the FDIC cannot cover the failing of so many banks at once and this may be a reason for extending the process.

But the arrogance of the banks makes me want to kick someone in the pants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with portions of both opinions but I am concerned, Larry that the FDIC cannot cover the failing of so many banks at once and this may be a reason for extending the process.</p>
<p>But the arrogance of the banks makes me want to kick someone in the pants.</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama&#039;s economic team needs to be put in quarantine -- and replaced by people willing to put the public interest ahead of the interests of Wall Street.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Let&#039;s see--who wrote that?  Why that would be Arianna Huffington in her current post.  I feel this compulsion to add something snarky, but I think I&#039;ll just leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obama&#8217;s economic team needs to be put in quarantine &#8212; and replaced by people willing to put the public interest ahead of the interests of Wall Street.</p>
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<p>Let&#8217;s see&#8211;who wrote that?  Why that would be Arianna Huffington in her current post.  I feel this compulsion to add something snarky, but I think I&#8217;ll just leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Portia, that looks just like &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; last will and testament!  Just think of how much everyone is saving on attorney&#039;s fees with such a simple document!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Portia, that looks just like <em>my</em> last will and testament!  Just think of how much everyone is saving on attorney&#8217;s fees with such a simple document!</p>
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		<title>By: oowawa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23684/we-still-have-to-pay-the-bill/#comment-1201250</link>
		<dc:creator>oowawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am becoming somewhat concerned that Bernanke is wondering if they have put too many chips on the table.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A bit of snark so obvious it pretty much writes itself: Why should Bernanke worry?  He&#039;s got all the machinery for manufacturing more &quot;chips&quot; in the back rooms of the casino . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am becoming somewhat concerned that Bernanke is wondering if they have put too many chips on the table.</p></blockquote>
<p>A bit of snark so obvious it pretty much writes itself: Why should Bernanke worry?  He&#8217;s got all the machinery for manufacturing more &#8220;chips&#8221; in the back rooms of the casino . . .</p>
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		<title>By: ConfusedAmerican</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConfusedAmerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have this sinking feeling that the worse criminals are the ones running our country.  They are the ones who are still living in the lap of luxury. When all the smoke clears they will still be living in the lap of luxury while the thousands of  new jobless and homeless try to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have this sinking feeling that the worse criminals are the ones running our country.  They are the ones who are still living in the lap of luxury. When all the smoke clears they will still be living in the lap of luxury while the thousands of  new jobless and homeless try to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
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		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nation_ready_to_be_lied_to_about?utm_source=a-section</description>
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		<title>By: SiliconDoc</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23684/we-still-have-to-pay-the-bill/#comment-1201235</link>
		<dc:creator>SiliconDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to put it another way - as Blagojevich dreamed of his conspiracy over a telephone, and was accused by the disturbed Fitzgerald of &quot;being on a never before seen crime spree&quot; ( with 3 years prior of secret taping ) and resultantly being unable to produce evidence of a crime without at least an additional 90 days (if that doesn&#039;t make you look twice nothing will)... those engaged in a very special sort of secretly devised yet publicly announced Blagojevich on toxic steriod hulked out monstruous crime spree, moved forward with rapacious speed - IN SECRET - and we are told, even now, most canot be known.
 So in one case we have 3 years of wiretapping producing as we have heard a THOUGHT and SPEECH crime, and of course we should all be aware that&#039;s how things are handled yet more sublty.... and on the other hand, an open money laundering express of such vast proportion, openly condoned, and excused by same claming ignorance of it&#039;s machinations, at the very highest levels, far above even Fitzies failed and ridiculous so far 3 year &quot;investigation&quot;.
 That&#039;s the difference between a talker and doers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to put it another way &#8211; as Blagojevich dreamed of his conspiracy over a telephone, and was accused by the disturbed Fitzgerald of &#8220;being on a never before seen crime spree&#8221; ( with 3 years prior of secret taping ) and resultantly being unable to produce evidence of a crime without at least an additional 90 days (if that doesn&#8217;t make you look twice nothing will)&#8230; those engaged in a very special sort of secretly devised yet publicly announced Blagojevich on toxic steriod hulked out monstruous crime spree, moved forward with rapacious speed &#8211; IN SECRET &#8211; and we are told, even now, most canot be known.<br />
 So in one case we have 3 years of wiretapping producing as we have heard a THOUGHT and SPEECH crime, and of course we should all be aware that&#8217;s how things are handled yet more sublty&#8230;. and on the other hand, an open money laundering express of such vast proportion, openly condoned, and excused by same claming ignorance of it&#8217;s machinations, at the very highest levels, far above even Fitzies failed and ridiculous so far 3 year &#8220;investigation&#8221;.<br />
 That&#8217;s the difference between a talker and doers.</p>
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		<title>By: SiliconDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>SiliconDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst thing is the matter of cleaning the ethical and criminal misconduct from the system - that without the pain required to move the slugs on the hill in the proper direction, it just won&#039;t happen.
 Instead, a wink, a nod, and a crime spree of immense proportion has been chosen - and that is has, is already starkly clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst thing is the matter of cleaning the ethical and criminal misconduct from the system &#8211; that without the pain required to move the slugs on the hill in the proper direction, it just won&#8217;t happen.<br />
 Instead, a wink, a nod, and a crime spree of immense proportion has been chosen &#8211; and that is has, is already starkly clear.</p>
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