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Right-wing CIA Conspiracy Nuts

Once upon a time the left side of the political spectrum had a monopoly on nutty conspiracy theories involving the alleged ability of the CIA to control the world and be the puppet master of all right-wing tyrants. Boy, those were the good old days–the CIA deposing democratic governments and assassinating noble politcians yearning to breathe free (if you don’t understand irony and sarcasm you should stop reading now and go elsewhere).

Now we have the right-wings answer to the left-wing kooks and it is equally nutty and out of touch with reality. The latest example is someone named, Jack Kelly.

Evidence of Kelly’s kookiness commences with his sincere repetition of a lie about Valerie Plame. He writes:

The presidency of George W. Bush began to unravel when some in high positions at the Central Intelligence Agency began waging a covert campaign against him.
began
It in the summer of 2003 when officials at the CIA asked the Justice department to open a criminal investigation into who had disclosed to columnist Robert Novak that Valerie Plame, wife of controversial former diplomat Joseph Wilson, worked at the CIA.

The officials knew at the time the Intelligence Identities Protection Act did not apply to Ms. Plame, who’d been out of the field for more than five years.

Kelly apparently is the type of fellow who believes that if you close your eyes tight enough you can deny that the sun rises in the east. He is ignoring several pieces of evidence from CIA and prosecutors that completely contradict his delusion. Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald released the following unclassified summary in 2007 that details Valerie’s activities:

On 1 January 2002, Valerie Wilson was working for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations (DO). She was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) at CIA Headquarters, where she served as the chief of a CPD component with reponsibility for weapons proliferation issues related to Iraq.

To be more specific, Valerie was Chief of Operations for the Iraq Task Force. She was in charge of overseeing and coordinating all clandestine operations carried out by assets of the Task Force.

Fitz continues:

While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in temporary duty (TDY) travel overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled under a cover indentity–sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias–but always using cover–whether official or non-official cover (NOC)–with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.

At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms. Wilson’s employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States. . . .

As a result of the leak and subsequent media reporting of Ms. Wilson’s relationship with the CIA, in December 2003 the CIA lifted Ms. Wilson’s cover effective 14 December 2003, and then in February 2004 the CIA rolled back her cover effective 14 July 2003, the date of the leak. . . .

In October 2005, the CIA determined, inits discretion, that the public interest in allowing the criminal prosecution to proceed outweighed the damage to national security that might reasonably be expected from the official disclosure of Ms. Wilson’s employment and cover status.

Fitzgerald released this information in order to specifically rebut those who lamely insisted that Valerie was just a glorified secretary who sat at CIA Headquarters drinking coffee and doing crossword puzzles. Fitzgerald establishes under oath that she was undercover, she did conduct operations outside the United States (i.e., resided) and that the CIA was taking steps to protect her identity.

Here’s what the Intelligence Identities Protection Act stipulates:

(4) The term “covert agent” means:
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency—
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or

(B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and—
(i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or
(ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or

(C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency.

Jack Kelly is wrong about a very simple fact. I guess when you have an ideological agenda facts do not matter. Valerie was undercover, she was working on one of the most sensitive matters of U.S. national security and she was carrying out undercover operations overseas until her identity was compromised.

Jack Kelly has no experience in national security matters other than what he reads second hand or hears from people claiming to have such expertise.

What did the number two guy at CIA say about Valerie? According to an affidavit filed by Stepehn Kappes not only reiterates the points presented by Patrick Fitzgerald but insists that Valerie’s relationship with the CIA prior to 2002 cannot be even acknowledge because of the damage that could be done to U.S. national security.

Yet Mr. Jack Kelly insists that CIA was simply making up a lie about Valerie Plame and her past as a covert operator. Let’s ignore the fact that I, along with more than 50 other people (e.g., Jim Marcinkowski, Brent Cavan and Mike Grimaldi, among others). trained with Valerie and were placed undercover the day we walked thru the doors of CIA Headquarters in September 1985.

Right-wing nuts like Kelly persist in touting the fantasy that Valerie was basically a brainless office girl who did nothing of any consequence. Yet we have the evidence that even today the CIA refuses to admit that Valerie even worked for the CIA prior to February 2002. The CIA will only state that from February 2002 until July 2003 Valerie made seven overseas trips to ten different countries as an undercover CIA officer collecting intelligence and running operations to determine the status of Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction.

It is impossible to respect someone like Jack Kelly, who has no regard for the truth and is intent only in spreading the old leftist lie that the CIA is a rogue elephant operating independently of political control.

That is the heart of the matter. The CIA is a bureaucracy and has its flaws. But at the end of the day the real fault of the CIA has been its willingness to carry out the demands of a President regardless of their political position. George W. Bush wanted to go to war in Iraq and did everything in his power to coerce and subvert the CIA’s attempts to downplay the threat posed by Iraq. And some in the CIA willingly played along and enabled the Bush Administration.

In case you have forgotten how you were played here is the chronology thanks to the folks at the Information Clearinghouse:

Intelligence leaves no doubt that Iraq continues to possess and conceal lethal weapons
George Bush, US President 18 March, 2003
Saddam’s removal is necessary to eradicate the threat from his weapons of mass destruction
Jack Straw, Foreign Secretary 2 April, 2003
Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I suggest they wait a bit
Tony Blair 28 April, 2003
We are asked to accept Saddam decided to destroy those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd
Tony Blair, Prime Minister 18 March, 2003
It is possible Iraqi leaders decided they would destroy them prior to the conflict
Donald Rumsfeld, US Defense Secretary 28 May, 2003
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George “aWol” Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

“25,000 liters of anthrax … 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin … materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent … upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents … several mobile biological weapons labs … thousands of Iraqi security personnel … at work hiding documents and materials from the U.N. inspectors.”
George “aWol” Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons — the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George “aWol” Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George “aWol” Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we’re going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find — and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003

I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George “aWol” Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003

We’ll find them. It’ll be a matter of time to do so.
George “aWol” Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003

I’m absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We’re just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we’d just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003

I’m not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein — because he had a weapons program.
George “aWol” Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that “we were going to open garages and find” weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003

I just don’t know whether it was all destroyed years ago — I mean, there’s no question that there were chemical weapons years ago — whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they’re still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003

Before the war, there’s no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we’re interrogating, I’m confident that we’re going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don’t know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003
It was a surprise to me then ™Eit remains a surprise to me now ™Ethat we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it’s not for lack of trying. We’ve been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they’re simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.

–George W. Bush
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

You remember when [Secretary of State] Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons …They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two…And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on

–George W. Bush
Press Briefing
5/30/2003
But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.

–George W. Bush
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

You remember when [Secretary of State] Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons …They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two…And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on

–George W. Bush
Press Briefing
5/30/2003

Enough of the lies by the likes of Jack Kelly. The only issue now is whether or not Barack Obama is going to try his hand at playing politics with intelligence.

  • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

    Right wing nuts are as bad as the left wing nuts — and they crawl out of the same woodwork.

    Thank you for the timeline — facts are facts — but neither the extreme right nor extreme left understand the truth.

  • http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com/ Al

    First, Thank You, Mr. Johnson, for your faithful service & loyal commitment to serving the country you love, the United States of America. With that said sir,

    “The only issue now is whether or not Barack Obama is going to try his hand at playing politics with intelligence.”

    Time will tell, and time is of the essence.

  • Peggy Sue

    One thing we seem to have no scarcity of is nuts from either side of the aisle. Thank you, Larry, for the continuing information.

    I’m afraid that the list of laughable quotes from the Right will be matched and perhaps surpassed by the Left.

    It’s hard to tell the difference anymore because a nut is a nut is a nut.

    Keep feeding us the information and commentary, Larry. It’s the best, perhaps the only defense we have!

  • Retired

    Larry, when I watch commentators on TV who wouldn’t know a clandestine op from a coffee pot expound at length on the “inside truth” about the Agency, I really don’t know whether to feel sorry for their pathetic ignorance or laugh at how ridiculously deluded they are. The next step is for a right winger to describe how cadence is called in the Ops Course course at the Farm, i.e., “Your left, your left, your left, left, left.” If these guys only knew what it was really like in the Agency, they would go back to watching 24 and having wet dreams about waterboarding Abu somebody or other.

  • Retired

    From my perspective, Bush’s hand at playing politics with intelligence is a tough one to beat. But who knows? Just like the economy was softened up for the current Obama body blow under Bush, who’s to say that a demoralized intelligence community can’t be finished off by The One. One encouraging sign that I see is that at least some of Obama’s key intelligence appointees seem to be up to the task of giving him an unvarnished reality check even when they know that this may be in conflict with his predilictions. If Obama is stupid enough to follow Bush’s lead and fire the professionals who are briefing him on realities that may not necessarily coincide with his opinions, then he will surpass even Bush’s accomplishments in screwing up intelligence. Obama has only been in office three months, so it’s too early to tell yet. The day is rapidly approaching, however, when everyone will consider it to be his government instead of Bush’s. And then we will see.

  • http://! stodgie

    well we have seen way too much of what the far right can and will do. i just wish we didn’t have to see what the far left can and will do. sad!

  • Linda Anselmi

    Thanks Larry for your endless efforts at countering the lies. Wish the media did their part to separate facts from fiction instead of giving them a foothold.

    Do you think Jack Kelly is one of those who likes to stands with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears say “la la la la la la” as loud as he can – so he never has to “see, hear or speak the truth?”

    Both the left and the right seem intent on allowing the overgrown unruly children to run things.

    Where have all the real grown ups gone?

  • problem here

    So the CIA had no role in the Iraq WMD fiasco? They were just pawns of Bush?

    Plame was outed by Armatidge talking to Novak, so what happened to him?

  • JohnnyB

    Is it not evident that someone above Libby gave the order to out Valerie Plame? This is an act of Treason, punishable by death.

    The long string of lies about WMD’s prior to bombing Iraq and after the invasion are all fabricated and a RICO action should be taken against all who kept this farce alive. We were fed this garbage daily through press briefings and press releases, and all the White House and military talking heads appearing on all the channels and also ‘testifying(LYING) in front of Congressional committees.

    I worry that the same lies are being spread against Iran, and to a lesser degree, Afghanistan and Pakistan’s Taliban actions. We need to get our Christian boots off of the Islamic lands, then let them have their way.

    Don’t let those that exposed Valerie (and destroyed valuable portions of her network) get away with it. Same for the warmongers. Iraq was on the attack list PRIOR to Sept. 11. You know that is true Larry.

    The current President of the World Bank said it all:

    .. For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
    Paul Wolfowitz
    Vanity Fair interview
    May 28, 2003

  • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

    To the contrary. The National Intelligence Council, which at the time was an appendage of the CIA, led the way to Iraq with the bizarre Oct 2002 NIE. So CIA is far from blameless. But Plame was not just outed by Armitige. You are conveniently forgetting the actions of Cheney, Libby and Rove. For starters Armitige learned about Plame’s identity from a paper prepared at the behest of Cheney and Libby.

    Of course, people like you demand the impeachment of Clinton for lying under oath about a blow job but want to give Libby a pass for actually obstructing justice and perjuring himself.

    fucking hypocrite.

  • problem here

    Having a bad day?

    Try a tall scotch and relax.

  • TeakwoodKite

    The facts and the truth are like old age and history.

    Mr. Johnson, thanks for putting Spot back under the staircase. This guy keeps over feeding him.

    For the last few weeks the left and right are spinning like crazy.

    Waterboarding is not torture I hear from the right, Now this, Mrs. Wilson was not a NOC which in stating this just betrays his own ignorance and inept skills.

    Now, is Obama going to ask the AG to prosecute Cheney and Libby and the one and only “I’ve said more than I should have, Karl Rove? The AP was reporting today NO. No prosecution of toruture, no to prosecution of treason, no to Sibel Edmonds…

    Still the CIA is a can that gets kicked up one side and down the other of Pensylviania Ave.

    I can not imagine, to this day, what the rank and file at Langley thinks of the political FUBAR they are made to deal with.

  • ric

    “For starters Armitige learned about Plame’s identity from a paper prepared at the behest of Cheney and Libby.”

    Did that paper have anything to do with Plame suggesting her husband for a trip to Niger? For an “officer” to risk cover by recommending deployment of a spouse indicates some air heads were in charge, and the most vacant head was Plame herself. Is she not responsible as well to protect her cover?

    Oh, I forgot–his report was verbal, wasn’t it?

    ric

  • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

    No it did not. Valerie did not suggest Joe nor did she have the authorization to send him. Your ignorance is breathtaking. Rather than repeat tired rightwing talking points read the goddamn documents. The docs produced in the course of the trial make it very clear that Valerie’s boss asked for Joe. Moreover, Joe suggested at the meeting that he did not need to go since the US Ambassador to Niger had already indicated the report was bogus. Nonetheless the people at the meeting insisted he go. Valerie was not at the meeting. She brought Joe in and left.

    And his report was written up by the CIA reports officer and released as a CIA document.

    Moron!!

  • Elsie

    Larry, I have always appreciated your views about intelligence failures particularly during the Bush era. Your views are pretty much substantiated by an article I came upon

    http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

    About the outing of Valerie Plame, I was so disgusted with Victoria Toensing when she appeared as guest on the Diane Rehm show claiming that as Deputy Attorney General she wrote the guidelines as to who are covert operatives. She said she alone can define who is a covert operative at the CIA and use this argument to indicate that Valerie Plame did not work as a covert operative at the CIA. She was rude and does not know how to conduct herself in public discussion even insulting Joe Wilson who was also a guest at that time.. I remember that show very well and made me so disgusted with Bush officials from Monica Goodling to Alberto Gonzales, etc.. etc..

    Any thoughts about this woman Toensing?

  • NoBamaNoWay

    word, Larry.

  • SiliconDoc

    ROFLMAO ” in December 2003 the CIA lifted Ms. Wilson’s cover effective 14 December 2003, and then in February 2004 the CIA rolled back her cover effective 14 July 2003,”
    ROFLMAO !
    ” not only reiterates the points presented by Patrick Fitzgerald but insists that Valerie’s relationship with the CIA prior to 2002 cannot be even acknowledge because of the damage that could be done to U.S. national security…..
    I, along with more than 50 other people (e.g., Jim Marcinkowski, Brent Cavan and Mike Grimaldi, among others). trained with Valerie and were placed undercover the day we walked thru the doors of CIA Headquarters in September 1985. ”
    Ah, yes, so little time to explain official from non-offical – to agents, and even to the cia PR guy spewing out the truth to Novak before the partisan idea and 6 months late agenda – and failed prosecution of lies – with uncle fester let alone.
    The lies are so thick it’s way past incriminating.
    Sometimes people who think they are smart are really very, very stupid.
    So, as you focused on your sole partisan rant and coupled it with the prosecutoriial misdirected fiasco of stupidity we had to witness, you ignored every other point in Kelly’s piece, in full agreement of them, even the partisan attack. Great job, I’m sure that’s all anyone could do was follow your lead.
    Wow, the pathetic nature is nearly unbelievable.

    RESPONSE FROM LARRY JOHNSON–I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS CLOWN IS, BUT I WILL LEAVE THE COMMENT STANDING BECAUSE IT TYPIFIES THE IGNORANCE AND BLIND HATRED THAT GUIDES PEOPLE LIKE THIS. SILCONDOC IS SO STUPID HE REFUSES TO ADMIT THAT SCOOTER LIBBY WAS CONVICTED OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND PERJURY BECAUSE OF HIS EFFORTS TO HINDER THE PROSECUTORS FROM UNRAVELING THE CONSPIRACY TO SMEAR VALERIE. I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WHO FAVOR EXPOSING THE IDENTITY OF UNDERCOVER OFFICERS ARE TRAITORS. SILICONDOC APPEARS TO FIT THE BILL.

  • Retired

    Larry, you just don’t get it. Every red-blooded American working mother of two wants her husband to go TDY to Niger. My wife’s been volunteering me for TDYs to Niger since she accidentaly found out who I really worked for at a party. I’ve been retired for several years now and she’s still calling up Hqs and asking them to send me TDY. Valerie volunteering Joe to go to Niger for a few weeks to independently confirm a report already filed by the COM is entirely believable. I heard that she actually three him into the conference room and bolted the door shut from the outside. Oh, by the way, did you know that the Jack Bauer character in 24 was modeled after me?

  • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

    You, brother, are too damn funny for your own good. Hell, Niger is so bad that P. J. O’Rourke would not even include it in his book, Holidays from Hell.

  • http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com/ Al

    Yikes, tensions are rising to the point of boiling over amid this highly charged/sensitive issue. Minefield ahead?! Again, Mr. Johnson, your loyal and faithful service to the country you love is admirable.

    Now onto my comments. Does it really matter if a Republican or Democrat is in charge as long as team USA wins? The ultimate goal here should be less about partisan politics and more about what’s in the best interests of the United States of America. In Mr. Bush’s defense, he–as anyone else in his position would have had to do–simply relied on the intelligence he was given, so better a leader who at least acts in the best interest of his countrymen than someone who gambles with the lives of innocent American people while waiting for more trial balloons(911)…coulda, woulda, shoulda–this is no time for arm-chair quarterbacking. What’s done is done. Were mistakes made? Sure. Have we learned from them? Of course. Let’s move on and refrain from tarnishing the legacy of brave assertive individuals who met force with force instead of drawing another line in the sand akin to President Carter. Sometimes, you simply have to drop your gloves to send a clear message to the opposing team(play fair or get decked).

  • http://trackacrat.com/ Track-A-’Crat

    It’s a tenuous connection, but check this out for a great article + pics (from the UK Daily Telegraph) on conspiracy theories (there are some really good ones):

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/3477148/The-greatest-conspiracy-theories-in-history.html

  • Retired

    Indeed! If the intention of the law was actually as characterized by Toensing, then it is a poorly written law and Toensing is then, by her own actions, a poor law writer. If, on the other hand, the law as written actually protects Valerie (i.e., Larry’s interpretation), the Toensing either understands this, in which case she is a political whore, or doesn’t, in which case she is an intellectually challenged lawyer.

    Of course, when you don’t know the difference between a “knock” and a NOC, really, what more can I say.

    But don’t ask me to elaborate how I really feel about her.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Thank you Larry. I concur. I am sick to death of extremist wing-nuts of any political persuasion.

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