Comments on: Right-wing CIA Conspiracy Nuts http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/ Sun, 27 May 2012 06:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Benjamin Franklin Berfle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201569 Benjamin Franklin Berfle Wed, 06 May 2009 23:55:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201569 Thank you Larry. I concur. I am sick to death of extremist wing-nuts of any political persuasion. Thank you Larry. I concur. I am sick to death of extremist wing-nuts of any political persuasion.

]]> By: Retired http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201488 Retired Wed, 06 May 2009 21:30:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201488 Indeed! If the intention of the law was actually as characterized by Toensing, then it is a poorly written law and Toensing is then, by her own actions, a poor law writer. If, on the other hand, the law as written actually protects Valerie (i.e., Larry's interpretation), the Toensing either understands this, in which case she is a political whore, or doesn't, in which case she is an intellectually challenged lawyer. Of course, when you don't know the difference between a "knock" and a NOC, really, what more can I say. But don't ask me to elaborate how I really feel about her. Indeed! If the intention of the law was actually as characterized by Toensing, then it is a poorly written law and Toensing is then, by her own actions, a poor law writer. If, on the other hand, the law as written actually protects Valerie (i.e., Larry’s interpretation), the Toensing either understands this, in which case she is a political whore, or doesn’t, in which case she is an intellectually challenged lawyer.

Of course, when you don’t know the difference between a “knock” and a NOC, really, what more can I say.

But don’t ask me to elaborate how I really feel about her.

]]> By: Track-A-'Crat http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201413 Track-A-'Crat Wed, 06 May 2009 19:34:17 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201413 It's a tenuous connection, but check this out for a great article + pics (from the UK Daily Telegraph) on conspiracy theories (there are some really good ones): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/3477148/The-greatest-conspiracy-theories-in-history.html It’s a tenuous connection, but check this out for a great article + pics (from the UK Daily Telegraph) on conspiracy theories (there are some really good ones):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/3477148/The-greatest-conspiracy-theories-in-history.html

]]> By: Al http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201318 Al Wed, 06 May 2009 16:39:02 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201318 Yikes, tensions are rising to the point of boiling over amid this highly charged/sensitive issue. Minefield ahead?! Again, Mr. Johnson, your loyal and faithful service to the country you love is admirable. Now onto my comments. Does it really matter if a Republican or Democrat is in charge as long as team USA wins? The ultimate goal here should be less about partisan politics and more about what's in the best interests of the United States of America. In Mr. Bush's defense, he--as anyone else in his position would have had to do--simply relied on the intelligence he was given, so better a leader who at least acts in the best interest of his countrymen than someone who gambles with the lives of innocent American people while waiting for more trial balloons(911)...coulda, woulda, shoulda--this is no time for arm-chair quarterbacking. What's done is done. Were mistakes made? Sure. Have we learned from them? Of course. Let's move on and refrain from tarnishing the legacy of brave assertive individuals who met force with force instead of drawing another line in the sand akin to President Carter. Sometimes, you simply have to drop your gloves to send a clear message to the opposing team(play fair or get decked). Yikes, tensions are rising to the point of boiling over amid this highly charged/sensitive issue. Minefield ahead?! Again, Mr. Johnson, your loyal and faithful service to the country you love is admirable.

Now onto my comments. Does it really matter if a Republican or Democrat is in charge as long as team USA wins? The ultimate goal here should be less about partisan politics and more about what’s in the best interests of the United States of America. In Mr. Bush’s defense, he–as anyone else in his position would have had to do–simply relied on the intelligence he was given, so better a leader who at least acts in the best interest of his countrymen than someone who gambles with the lives of innocent American people while waiting for more trial balloons(911)…coulda, woulda, shoulda–this is no time for arm-chair quarterbacking. What’s done is done. Were mistakes made? Sure. Have we learned from them? Of course. Let’s move on and refrain from tarnishing the legacy of brave assertive individuals who met force with force instead of drawing another line in the sand akin to President Carter. Sometimes, you simply have to drop your gloves to send a clear message to the opposing team(play fair or get decked).

]]> By: Larry Johnson http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201306 Larry Johnson Wed, 06 May 2009 16:09:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201306 You, brother, are too damn funny for your own good. Hell, Niger is so bad that P. J. O'Rourke would not even include it in his book, Holidays from Hell. You, brother, are too damn funny for your own good. Hell, Niger is so bad that P. J. O’Rourke would not even include it in his book, Holidays from Hell.

]]> By: Retired http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201296 Retired Wed, 06 May 2009 15:49:38 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201296 Larry, you just don't get it. Every red-blooded American working mother of two wants her husband to go TDY to Niger. My wife's been volunteering me for TDYs to Niger since she accidentaly found out who I really worked for at a party. I've been retired for several years now and she's still calling up Hqs and asking them to send me TDY. Valerie volunteering Joe to go to Niger for a few weeks to independently confirm a report already filed by the COM is entirely believable. I heard that she actually three him into the conference room and bolted the door shut from the outside. Oh, by the way, did you know that the Jack Bauer character in 24 was modeled after me? Larry, you just don’t get it. Every red-blooded American working mother of two wants her husband to go TDY to Niger. My wife’s been volunteering me for TDYs to Niger since she accidentaly found out who I really worked for at a party. I’ve been retired for several years now and she’s still calling up Hqs and asking them to send me TDY. Valerie volunteering Joe to go to Niger for a few weeks to independently confirm a report already filed by the COM is entirely believable. I heard that she actually three him into the conference room and bolted the door shut from the outside. Oh, by the way, did you know that the Jack Bauer character in 24 was modeled after me?

]]> By: SiliconDoc http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201191 SiliconDoc Wed, 06 May 2009 08:41:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201191 ROFLMAO " in December 2003 the CIA lifted Ms. Wilson’s cover effective 14 December 2003, and then in February 2004 the CIA rolled back her cover effective 14 July 2003," ROFLMAO ! " not only reiterates the points presented by Patrick Fitzgerald but insists that Valerie’s relationship with the CIA prior to 2002 cannot be even acknowledge because of the damage that could be done to U.S. national security..... I, along with more than 50 other people (e.g., Jim Marcinkowski, Brent Cavan and Mike Grimaldi, among others). trained with Valerie and were placed undercover the day we walked thru the doors of CIA Headquarters in September 1985. " Ah, yes, so little time to explain official from non-offical - to agents, and even to the cia PR guy spewing out the truth to Novak before the partisan idea and 6 months late agenda - and failed prosecution of lies - with uncle fester let alone. The lies are so thick it's way past incriminating. Sometimes people who think they are smart are really very, very stupid. So, as you focused on your sole partisan rant and coupled it with the prosecutoriial misdirected fiasco of stupidity we had to witness, you ignored every other point in Kelly's piece, in full agreement of them, even the partisan attack. Great job, I'm sure that's all anyone could do was follow your lead. Wow, the pathetic nature is nearly unbelievable. RESPONSE FROM LARRY JOHNSON--I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS CLOWN IS, BUT I WILL LEAVE THE COMMENT STANDING BECAUSE IT TYPIFIES THE IGNORANCE AND BLIND HATRED THAT GUIDES PEOPLE LIKE THIS. SILCONDOC IS SO STUPID HE REFUSES TO ADMIT THAT SCOOTER LIBBY WAS CONVICTED OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND PERJURY BECAUSE OF HIS EFFORTS TO HINDER THE PROSECUTORS FROM UNRAVELING THE CONSPIRACY TO SMEAR VALERIE. I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WHO FAVOR EXPOSING THE IDENTITY OF UNDERCOVER OFFICERS ARE TRAITORS. SILICONDOC APPEARS TO FIT THE BILL. ROFLMAO ” in December 2003 the CIA lifted Ms. Wilson’s cover effective 14 December 2003, and then in February 2004 the CIA rolled back her cover effective 14 July 2003,”
ROFLMAO !
” not only reiterates the points presented by Patrick Fitzgerald but insists that Valerie’s relationship with the CIA prior to 2002 cannot be even acknowledge because of the damage that could be done to U.S. national security…..
I, along with more than 50 other people (e.g., Jim Marcinkowski, Brent Cavan and Mike Grimaldi, among others). trained with Valerie and were placed undercover the day we walked thru the doors of CIA Headquarters in September 1985. ”
Ah, yes, so little time to explain official from non-offical – to agents, and even to the cia PR guy spewing out the truth to Novak before the partisan idea and 6 months late agenda – and failed prosecution of lies – with uncle fester let alone.
The lies are so thick it’s way past incriminating.
Sometimes people who think they are smart are really very, very stupid.
So, as you focused on your sole partisan rant and coupled it with the prosecutoriial misdirected fiasco of stupidity we had to witness, you ignored every other point in Kelly’s piece, in full agreement of them, even the partisan attack. Great job, I’m sure that’s all anyone could do was follow your lead.
Wow, the pathetic nature is nearly unbelievable.

RESPONSE FROM LARRY JOHNSON–I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS CLOWN IS, BUT I WILL LEAVE THE COMMENT STANDING BECAUSE IT TYPIFIES THE IGNORANCE AND BLIND HATRED THAT GUIDES PEOPLE LIKE THIS. SILCONDOC IS SO STUPID HE REFUSES TO ADMIT THAT SCOOTER LIBBY WAS CONVICTED OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND PERJURY BECAUSE OF HIS EFFORTS TO HINDER THE PROSECUTORS FROM UNRAVELING THE CONSPIRACY TO SMEAR VALERIE. I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE WHO FAVOR EXPOSING THE IDENTITY OF UNDERCOVER OFFICERS ARE TRAITORS. SILICONDOC APPEARS TO FIT THE BILL.

]]> By: NoBamaNoWay http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201185 NoBamaNoWay Wed, 06 May 2009 07:50:40 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201185 word, Larry. word, Larry.

]]> By: Elsie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201183 Elsie Wed, 06 May 2009 07:42:14 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201183 Larry, I have always appreciated your views about intelligence failures particularly during the Bush era. Your views are pretty much substantiated by an article I came upon http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/ About the outing of Valerie Plame, I was so disgusted with Victoria Toensing when she appeared as guest on the Diane Rehm show claiming that as Deputy Attorney General she wrote the guidelines as to who are covert operatives. She said she alone can define who is a covert operative at the CIA and use this argument to indicate that Valerie Plame did not work as a covert operative at the CIA. She was rude and does not know how to conduct herself in public discussion even insulting Joe Wilson who was also a guest at that time.. I remember that show very well and made me so disgusted with Bush officials from Monica Goodling to Alberto Gonzales, etc.. etc.. Any thoughts about this woman Toensing? Larry, I have always appreciated your views about intelligence failures particularly during the Bush era. Your views are pretty much substantiated by an article I came upon

http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

About the outing of Valerie Plame, I was so disgusted with Victoria Toensing when she appeared as guest on the Diane Rehm show claiming that as Deputy Attorney General she wrote the guidelines as to who are covert operatives. She said she alone can define who is a covert operative at the CIA and use this argument to indicate that Valerie Plame did not work as a covert operative at the CIA. She was rude and does not know how to conduct herself in public discussion even insulting Joe Wilson who was also a guest at that time.. I remember that show very well and made me so disgusted with Bush officials from Monica Goodling to Alberto Gonzales, etc.. etc..

Any thoughts about this woman Toensing?

]]> By: Larry Johnson http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201182 Larry Johnson Wed, 06 May 2009 07:34:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201182 No it did not. Valerie did not suggest Joe nor did she have the authorization to send him. Your ignorance is breathtaking. Rather than repeat tired rightwing talking points read the goddamn documents. The docs produced in the course of the trial make it very clear that Valerie's boss asked for Joe. Moreover, Joe suggested at the meeting that he did not need to go since the US Ambassador to Niger had already indicated the report was bogus. Nonetheless the people at the meeting insisted he go. Valerie was not at the meeting. She brought Joe in and left. And his report was written up by the CIA reports officer and released as a CIA document. Moron!! No it did not. Valerie did not suggest Joe nor did she have the authorization to send him. Your ignorance is breathtaking. Rather than repeat tired rightwing talking points read the goddamn documents. The docs produced in the course of the trial make it very clear that Valerie’s boss asked for Joe. Moreover, Joe suggested at the meeting that he did not need to go since the US Ambassador to Niger had already indicated the report was bogus. Nonetheless the people at the meeting insisted he go. Valerie was not at the meeting. She brought Joe in and left.

And his report was written up by the CIA reports officer and released as a CIA document.

Moron!!

]]> By: ric http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201180 ric Wed, 06 May 2009 06:52:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201180 "For starters Armitige learned about Plame’s identity from a paper prepared at the behest of Cheney and Libby." Did that paper have anything to do with Plame suggesting her husband for a trip to Niger? For an "officer" to risk cover by recommending deployment of a spouse indicates some air heads were in charge, and the most vacant head was Plame herself. Is she not responsible as well to protect her cover? Oh, I forgot--his report was verbal, wasn't it? ric “For starters Armitige learned about Plame’s identity from a paper prepared at the behest of Cheney and Libby.”

Did that paper have anything to do with Plame suggesting her husband for a trip to Niger? For an “officer” to risk cover by recommending deployment of a spouse indicates some air heads were in charge, and the most vacant head was Plame herself. Is she not responsible as well to protect her cover?

Oh, I forgot–his report was verbal, wasn’t it?

ric

]]> By: TeakwoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201175 TeakwoodKite Wed, 06 May 2009 06:14:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201175 The facts and the truth are like old age and history. Mr. Johnson, thanks for putting Spot back under the staircase. This guy keeps over feeding him. For the last few weeks the left and right are spinning like crazy. Waterboarding is not torture I hear from the right, Now this, Mrs. Wilson was not a NOC which in stating this just betrays his own ignorance and inept skills. Now, is Obama going to ask the AG to prosecute Cheney and Libby and the one and only "I've said more than I should have, Karl Rove? The AP was reporting today NO. No prosecution of toruture, no to prosecution of treason, no to Sibel Edmonds... Still the CIA is a can that gets kicked up one side and down the other of Pensylviania Ave. I can not imagine, to this day, what the rank and file at Langley thinks of the political FUBAR they are made to deal with. The facts and the truth are like old age and history.

Mr. Johnson, thanks for putting Spot back under the staircase. This guy keeps over feeding him.

For the last few weeks the left and right are spinning like crazy.

Waterboarding is not torture I hear from the right, Now this, Mrs. Wilson was not a NOC which in stating this just betrays his own ignorance and inept skills.

Now, is Obama going to ask the AG to prosecute Cheney and Libby and the one and only “I’ve said more than I should have, Karl Rove? The AP was reporting today NO. No prosecution of toruture, no to prosecution of treason, no to Sibel Edmonds…

Still the CIA is a can that gets kicked up one side and down the other of Pensylviania Ave.

I can not imagine, to this day, what the rank and file at Langley thinks of the political FUBAR they are made to deal with.

]]> By: problem here http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201154 problem here Wed, 06 May 2009 03:49:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201154 Having a bad day? Try a tall scotch and relax. Having a bad day?

Try a tall scotch and relax.

]]> By: Larry Johnson http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201150 Larry Johnson Wed, 06 May 2009 03:15:34 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201150 To the contrary. The National Intelligence Council, which at the time was an appendage of the CIA, led the way to Iraq with the bizarre Oct 2002 NIE. So CIA is far from blameless. But Plame was not just outed by Armitige. You are conveniently forgetting the actions of Cheney, Libby and Rove. For starters Armitige learned about Plame's identity from a paper prepared at the behest of Cheney and Libby. Of course, people like you demand the impeachment of Clinton for lying under oath about a blow job but want to give Libby a pass for actually obstructing justice and perjuring himself. fucking hypocrite. To the contrary. The National Intelligence Council, which at the time was an appendage of the CIA, led the way to Iraq with the bizarre Oct 2002 NIE. So CIA is far from blameless. But Plame was not just outed by Armitige. You are conveniently forgetting the actions of Cheney, Libby and Rove. For starters Armitige learned about Plame’s identity from a paper prepared at the behest of Cheney and Libby.

Of course, people like you demand the impeachment of Clinton for lying under oath about a blow job but want to give Libby a pass for actually obstructing justice and perjuring himself.

fucking hypocrite.

]]> By: JohnnyB http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/23689/right-wing-cia-conspiracy-nuts/#comment-1201146 JohnnyB Wed, 06 May 2009 02:50:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23689#comment-1201146 Is it not evident that someone above Libby gave the order to out Valerie Plame? This is an act of Treason, punishable by death. The long string of lies about WMD's prior to bombing Iraq and after the invasion are all fabricated and a RICO action should be taken against all who kept this farce alive. We were fed this garbage daily through press briefings and press releases, and all the White House and military talking heads appearing on all the channels and also 'testifying(LYING) in front of Congressional committees. I worry that the same lies are being spread against Iran, and to a lesser degree, Afghanistan and Pakistan's Taliban actions. We need to get our Christian boots off of the Islamic lands, then let them have their way. Don't let those that exposed Valerie (and destroyed valuable portions of her network) get away with it. Same for the warmongers. Iraq was on the attack list PRIOR to Sept. 11. You know that is true Larry. The current President of the World Bank said it all: <blockquote>.. For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on. Paul Wolfowitz Vanity Fair interview May 28, 2003</blockquote> Is it not evident that someone above Libby gave the order to out Valerie Plame? This is an act of Treason, punishable by death.

The long string of lies about WMD’s prior to bombing Iraq and after the invasion are all fabricated and a RICO action should be taken against all who kept this farce alive. We were fed this garbage daily through press briefings and press releases, and all the White House and military talking heads appearing on all the channels and also ‘testifying(LYING) in front of Congressional committees.

I worry that the same lies are being spread against Iran, and to a lesser degree, Afghanistan and Pakistan’s Taliban actions. We need to get our Christian boots off of the Islamic lands, then let them have their way.

Don’t let those that exposed Valerie (and destroyed valuable portions of her network) get away with it. Same for the warmongers. Iraq was on the attack list PRIOR to Sept. 11. You know that is true Larry.

The current President of the World Bank said it all:

.. For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003

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