new charges against fraudulent acorn ~open thread updated

Threat Level Privacy, Crime and Security Online
Teenage Bomb Threat Suspect Was Internet Prank-Call Star

* By Kevin Poulsen Email Author
* May 7, 2009 |

A 16-year-old North Carolina boy arrested for allegedly making a bomb threat against Purdue University had a secret identity as a superstar in an unusual online subculture — one dedicated to making prank phone calls for a live internet audience, his mother admitted Thursday.

“I heard the prank phone calls he made,” says Annette Lundeby of Oxford. “They were really funny prank phone calls…. He made phone calls to, like, Walmart.”
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“People would pay about five dollars, and they get to submit a number,” says Jason Bennett, a 19-year-old college student in Syndey, Australia. “It was getting way out of hand.”

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/teenage-bomb-threat-suspect-was-an-internet-prank-phone-call-star/

It turns out we were duped, the kid is a social menace and needs to be held because his mom wasn’t helping to bring reality to him ‘Don’t threaten people’ and he even made international threats.

I don’t like that the mom didn’t admit to knowing and was using our good faith and good will in caring about his welfare. He needs tough love, and time out.

Thank you wired.com for researching the story and doing some thorough investigating.

Acorn was involved in the caucus fraud. That’s not a republican attempt to confuse people. Hillary dems themselves experienced it and reported on it.

-But what I don’t agree with is this idea that ACORN was purposely sending in fake registrations to “overwhelm the system” or because they “don’t like to follow laws and rules” – that simply does not make any sense to me. What goal would that accomplish?-

They subcontracted, they are responsible for a shyte job done by their subcontractors and by their own oversight of the subcontractors.

I assume you are also OK with the fact that after ACORN finished turning in their fraudulent voter registrations, there were more “registered” voters in many counties than there were adults over the age of 18. I assume you are OK with the county clerks who must hire extra workers to sort through the mess and challenge all the registrations that ACORN workers fabricated and all the registrations from cemeteries.

The thing ACORN has repeatedly accomplished is that the voter registration process is so corrupted that most people have no faith that there is a fair and level playing field. Further, most resent having to spend extra taxpayer funds to straighten out the messes made by these partisan bullies.

A-Nony, Do you know how many people used those fradulant registrations to actually cast a vote? Until you do don’t try to tell us that Acorn didn’t cheat in this last election.

Tell that to the Prosecutors who have prosecuted ACORN members and convicted them, anonymouse. There are about 12 states investigating ACORN. I wonder why you think convictions is just a “GOP talking point,” unless perhaps what you’re trying to say is that Democrats’ talking point is: “Laws? We don’t need no stinkin’ laws.”

Although the organization prides itself for its registration efforts, it also has a long history of scandal. In the state of Missouri in 1986, 12 ACORN members were convicted of voter fraud. But that case was not an isolated incident in the state. In December 2004, in St. Louis, six volunteers pleaded guilty of dozens of election law violations for filling out registration cards with names of dead people and other bogus information. Authorities launched an earlier investigation after noticing that among the new voters was longtime St. Louis alderman Albert “Red” Villa, who died in 1990. The volunteers worked for “Operation Big Vote” — a branch of ACORN — in St. Louis.

On February 10, 2005, Nonaresa Montgomery, a paid worker who ran Operation Big Vote during the run-up to the 2001 mayoral primary, was found guilty of vote fraud. Montgomery hired about 30 workers to do fraudulent voter-registration canvassing. Instead of knocking on doors, the volunteers sat at a St. Louis fast food restaurant and wrote out names and information from an outdated voter list. About 1,500 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in.

In October 2006, St. Louis election officials discovered at least 1,492 “potentially fraudulent” voter registration cards. They were all turned in by ACORN volunteers.

In November 2006, 20,000 to 35,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri. Most all of these were from St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the “disenfranchised” minorities living there. But the ACORN workers weren’t just told to register new voters. The workers admitted on camera that they were coached to tell registrants to vote for Democrat Claire McCaskill.

In 2007, in Kansas City, Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. In April of this year eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting bogus voter registrations.

And, that was just Missouri.

You can read the rest here:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/2/

it is a problem of a partisan organization being funded under the guise of non-partisanship, that commits the biggest case of voter registration fraud, ever.

one example:

According to STATSIndiana, In 2007, Indianapolis/Marion County had an estimated population of 876,804. Of that number 232,607 were below 18 years of age, for a total of 644,197 people in Marion County/Indianapolis 18 or over and thus eligible to vote. (Indiana allows felons to vote as long as they are not incarcerated).

So we have 644,197 people eligible to be registered in Marion County/Indianapolis, and 677,401 people registered. Congratulations go to Indianapolis for having 105% of its residents registered!

Acorn submitted 91,002 completed forms in Clark County, which includes Las Vegas, of which 23,186 turned out to be valid… we’re paying for that crap?

Obama paid ACORN $800,000 and is on video promising them a seat at his table, etc.

And fake registrations can turn into fake votes, as well as fake caucus participants. People can register at two adresses, they can vote with mail in ballots, and at the polls. They can vote at two different polling places, etc.

Most of what we have seen by ACORN so far is their complete and utter lack of respect for the process, and a bunch of hacks who don’t take their job seriously. It is a waste of money.

And I am not convinced that hundreds of thousands of fake voter registrations do not produce some fraud at the polls.

And I also feel that if citizens are not concerned enough to register to vote without an organization like ACORN hounding them, and bribing them with cigarettes, they probably have no clue about who they are voting for, and shouldn’t vote. (case in point this past election)

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/

Obama paid ACORN $800,000 for a ‘get out the vote’ campaign. It’s an arm of the Obama campaign.

BTW, they first claimed it was for staging and lighting which is something that ACORN does not do. They had to AMEND their FEC filings when they were busted for it.

I’m saying that something which leads to no fake votes isn’t that big of a deal. Yes. I’m saying that getting rid of real voter registrations (ie: REAL PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE) is a big a deal. Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying. You see one thing leads to no change in the election results and is *NOT* vote fraud. And the other thing leads to real people who would otherwise be able to vote to not be able to vote. The distinction is clear.

My comment was directed at the Nevada case, only. Surmising that the 39 counts brought forth by the state of Nevada has no effect on voter outcome is what A-Mouse is trying to peddle.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy didn’t even vote once.”

Which goes to my point that we should do away with a tax payer funded group like ACORN.

Voter fraud cannot take place without fraudulent registration; fraudulent registration is a necessary condition for voter fraud. If you don’t get this, you are a troll and a very uneducated one. ACORN is responsible for the conduct of their “employees”, therefore they have vicarious liability for those in their “employ.

It is fraudulent to provide the government false information on voter registration forms. It is fraudulent to impersonate another person and forge other people’s signatures, living or dead.

Yes, the media threw around names like ‘Mickey Mouse’ and the ‘Dallas Cowboys’, but by and large the names forged or invented were not red flashing lights.

Not all states require an ID to vote. There is no way to verify all voters are legally registered AFTER the vote. Some don’t require it so that no one is discouraged from coming out to vote. And because they want to encourage people to vote the law says you cannot fraudulently register people.

Election fraud doesn’t just happen on election day, it occurs when the democratic process is illegally abused by criminals who threaten it. Like George Bush and ACORN/Obama. Obama paid them $800,000 dollars for fraudulant, illegal services therefore although he isn’t the gun man, he hired the hitman.

There’s no proof that this kind of activity took place. On the contrary, the evidence is that it was simply workers trying to get paid for doing nothing. There’s no evidence of workers conspiring to create a few extra votes (and that’s what this would accomplish, at best – with great risk involved) in this way. Hell I bet most of the workers cared a lot more about the money they were making than who won the elections.

It might as well be because you are fighting for the other side. If you care at all about democratic ideals than Glenn Beck is your enemy. ACORN is doing nothing but trying to help poor people who get taken advantage of every day in this country. They do a lot of positive work in poor communities. And yes they register poor people to vote (who usually vote for Democrats if they bother to vote) … Yes some of their workers wanted to get paid for not doing their job. Just like some Wal-Mart employees want to get paid for slacking off or stealing stuff or helping their friends steal stuff. The idea that an employer is responsible for everything an employee does, especially when its not what the employer would want (obviously ACORN wants *real* people registered as fake people do not vote.)

It’s just exhausting stating the same fact that just trumps everything else over and over again with people just not getting it: There is absolutely no evidence of any real election fraud (ie fake votes being cast) due to ACORN. That means this is a BS story that is being fluffed up by the right wingers to try and hurt Obama’s popularity so that we (Americans) can’t get universal health care and a more fair government.

No, Obama is nowhere near perfect. He’s a corporate politician – but he’s way better than any Republican.

And maybe he will lead the way to a real liberal being elected next time (like Dennis Kucinich.)