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Greta Van Susteran, John Murtagh and I Have Some Questions:

Where in the hell is the media? Did any of you MSMers watch Greta’s Fox News show on Friday night, or watch these videos? Why hasn’t there been a single story on this remarkable two-part interview? Did you read Greta’s blog post after the show? And why did it take a blogger to write the best headline? “John M Murtagh: Hi, I'm one of the people that the Weather Underground tried to kill.”

In part two, Mr. Murtagh articulates Larry Johnson’s investigative findings about Barack Obama’s eight years of employment by William Ayers: “Why is Obama Hiding the Truth About William Ayers? Follow the Money.”

PhotobucketBut, since Van Susteran’s breaking news interview — and John Murtagh’s two op-eds (here and here) last week — there hasn’t been even one story, according to my regular searches of Google News, except for some blog posts. I want to know why. [Oh, that image? That's from Larry Johnson's story, "Stomp On This," showing Barack's good buddy William Ayers stomping on the American flag.]

I also want to know why Obama, who worked for Ayers for eight years as well as serving on boards with him and permitting Ayers to raise campaign funds and contribute — can limply excuse Ayers’ behavior because he, Obama, was eight years old when Ayers set his bombs but that it’s alright that — but for the grace of God — a nine-year-old boy and his family weren’t blown to bits by Ayers’ and Dohrn’s bomb.

I want to know how Obama can excuse his long associate’s statement to the New York Times on September 11, 2001 that “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.”

A blogger wryly noted the cruel irony of Ayers’ remarks on 9/11:

Perhaps if you had done more, William Ayers, you might have kept this person [John Murtagh] from writing [his op-eds last week]. Do you regret that?

Right on, William Ayers and Bernardine Dorhn. IF ONLY YOUR BOMB HAD WORKED BETTER, John Murtagh wouldn’t have been ALIVE to write those op-eds or appear on Greta’s show.

BACKGROUND:

On Friday night, Greta Van Susteran conducted a superb, two-part interview of John Murtagh, an attorney and city councilman who was nine years old when his family was nearly murdered after Barack Obama’s pals William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn bombed his family’s home while they were all asleep.

Murtagh’s father was a New York State Supreme Court justice who was presiding over the trial of the so-called “‘Panther 21′, members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores.” The Panther 21 were “allies” of the Weather Underground so, apparently, a nine-year-old son of the judge was justifiable “collateral damage” in their revolutionary struggle.

HERE ARE MORE IRONIC observations from the blogger at RedState:

The piece really should be read in its entirety, but let me isolate two more sections. First:

Though no one was ever caught or tried for the attempt on my family’s life, there was never any doubt who was behind it. Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed my house, writes Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. And in late November that year, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers’s wife, promised more bombings.

[snip - but read it, too]

Though never a supporter of Obama, I admired him for a time for his ability to engage our imaginations, and especially for his ability to inspire the young once again to embrace the political system. Yet his myopia in the last few months has cast a new light on his “politics of change.” Nobody should hold the junior senator from Illinois responsible for his friends’ and supporters’ violent terrorist acts. But it is fair to hold him responsible for a startling lack of judgment in his choice of mentors, associates, and friends, and for showing a callous disregard for the lives they damaged and the hatred they have demonstrated for this country. It is fair, too, to ask what those choices say about Obama’s own beliefs, his philosophy, and the direction he would take our nation.

The snipped portion relates how Mr. Murtagh takes personally the revelation that Ayers regrets not burning him and his family to death; said regret is no less chilling for being essentially divorced from any sort of personal animus. If you wonder why we still find the Weathermen outrageous, you should consider that it’s in large part due to the fact that (I say this not as a mental health care professional, mind you) the most public ones were and are sociopaths*. We have enough problems with hardline Islamist fantasy ideologists to be comfortable with people being comfortable with the domestic versions.

The other bit?

At the conclusion of his 2001 Times interview, Ayers said of his upbringing and subsequent radicalization: “I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire.”

Funny thing, Bill: one night, so did I.

John, I frankly don’t think that he cares. On the bright side, Senator Obama will, eventually. All you need to do is get his Oregon numbers down three or four points and he’ll disavow this guy in nothing flat.

SEE MY FRIDAY NIGHT STORY — “[Action Update] Victim of Ayers and Dohrn Appears on National Television, Describes His Entire Family’s Near Murder” — for more detail and background.

  • jbl

    The fact that this is even news is absurd. Nobody should be held acceptable for something a casual acquaintance did while you were a child.

    Ayers himself is being exaggerated from petty extreme protester to terrorist. He had rules against injuring people, always sending a phone warning and asking for evacuation in advance. There is some Murgtah clown trying to milk his near-death experience into a political career, ignoring that his housefire does not even match the characteristics of the underground and most likely was a copycat or black extremist group.

    Also, no one mentions that Ayers has been a model citizen for the last 40 years becoming one of Chicago’s most well loved social activist for decades.

    This is more fluff sent out by an incompetent GOP to rile up the racists and ignorant citizens to back their absurd claims of this man being everything from a racist, black extremist, muslim, arab, terrorist, communist, socialist.

    The animosity that is being intentionally built is beyond politics and is unacceptable. This unfounded hate the McCain party is churning up is dangerous for this country. Period.

  • http://snunes.blogspot.com Susan Nunes

    I fail to understand how Ayers’ past has anything to do with Obama presently. That doesn’t follow Obama supports the Weather Underground tactics. I don’t think this is the way to go, people.

    Now if you talk about Wright and Rezko, you are on more solid ground regarding Obama’s judgment.

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  • Mr.Murder

    Obama also had words of praise for Colin Powell today, returning the compliments the former Secretary of State had made about the would-be presidential nominee. Obama, at a press conference today, said he speaks with Powell “occasionally” and that he “knows him well.”

    “Because he’s somebody, who I think has good judgment, loves his country, you know is somebody who’s council I actively seek,” he added and said the two were of like minds on the issue of withdrawal from Iraq. “This is not going to be a matter of just being able to say we are pulling them all out regardless of consequences. What I’ve consistently said is we’re going to get our combat troops out in a methodical, orderly, responsible way and there will be complications.”

    So much for ending the war, he’ll have Colin to Lai about how things are going there in Iraq.

  • beebop

    I’m a New Yorker. I voted for her in 2000. After she supported the war, I declined to vote for her again in 2006. She had her chance. She blew it.

    Only Larry Craig and Jesse Helms voted against the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists as they were not present for the vote.

    The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 had the support of 29 of the Democratic Senators — both of the Senators from New York among them.
    .
    You need to move on from this.

    It is not as significant as yuo seem to think.

  • Jeff

    “One of my son’s says much the same things you do and even told me he thought Ayers was an “American Hero” for his terrorism back in the day after reading his book.”

    I have never supported, in thought, word or deed, the ideas or early actions of William Ayers. Your son and I are a world apart on that, Kathryn.

    “Even KNOWING Ayers as a friend disqualifies Barack for top security clearance!”

    Except that it doesn’t.

    “he is the only candidate that can “steal” anything because he alone blocked the revote in FL and MI”

    Except that it was the FL and MI Democrats who caused this entire fiasco themselves.

    “I know you want to believe in what is best for America”

    I’ll offer you the same assumption. Thanks.

    “now that people know about Wright and Barack’s racist beliefs”

    Whoa, whoa, wait a minute. What are Barack’s “racist beliefs”? You’re going to have to do a lot better than say he attended Wright’s church, so he must be a racist. What has Obama said or done that makes him a racist? You can’t just continue to toss these totally unsupported allegations out at people just because you think it will help your candidate. Use some restraint for five seconds.

    “Give Hillary a chance”

    I’m a New Yorker. I voted for her in 2000. After she supported the war, I declined to vote for her again in 2006. She had her chance. She blew it.

  • Kathryn

    Jeff

    I can see you are very passionate about your candidate and that’s a good thing. One of my son’s says much the same things you do and even told me he thought Ayers was an “American Hero” for his terrorism back in the day after reading his book. But those of us who were THERE back in the day remember Ayers and Bernadine all too well, we remember them as the people that hijacked the SDS and brought violence to the Peace Movement we all had worked so hard at. Along with other radical groups they destroyed the Peace Movement. Their actions flew DIRECTLY in the face of what MLK fought and died for and those of us who denounced violence and were sickened by their perverting of the Peace message have NOT FORGOTTEN. We see Ayers and Bernadine as the criminals that got away because of their rich parents and govt. bungling of the case. They never PAID for their crimes and to this day maintain that their actions were justified.the WU members Bill pardoned spent decades in prison paying for their crimes. It is sickening to me that we could have a President (bad enough a Senator but a PRESIDENT) who considers these homegrown terrorists friends? People who’s actions resulted in destruction and death? Think, Jeff, THINK. Even KNOWING Ayers as a friend disqualifies Barack for top security clearance! Now how’s that gonna fly?
    There is NO WAY he will be President and if he ends up STEALING ( he is the only candidate that can “steal” anything because he alone blocked the revote in FL and MI) the nomination then we will sadly end up with McSame. He can not win in the GE, there is just not a chance in hell he could now that people know about Wright and Barack’s racist beliefs and friendship with Ayers and Dohrn.
    I know you want to believe in what is best for America and think Barack is the next JFK but he is NOT. JFK had ENORMOUS experience in comparison and was a war hero besides, he would certainly NEVER call a person who had bombed the Pentagon a friend I can assure you of that. Give Hillary a chance, she has worked ALL her life for Americans since she was young like you, she WILL do what is best for us and she has the experience and HEART and GUTS to do it. Try to see her objectively. Our country is in dire straits, this is no time to try out a beginner, especially one with radicals, racists and criminals in his inner circle.

  • Bertha

    It is simple. The media and the GOP attack dogs are waiting to hit Obama with the Ayer’s connection in the fall. Why would they want to damage him any more at this time? Democrats, genetically programmed to lose. Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry and now Obama. Thank you Move On, Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Talking Points Memo!

    • beebop

      I suspect you are absolutely on the money.

      Let’s not upset the apple cart when Reverend Wright is doing such a fine job on his own.

  • hummingbirdv

    Quote from Fred Siegal of THE AUSTRALIAN in an article entitled “The illusion that is Barack Obama”

    “Obama, far more than others, is the ‘judge me by what I say and not by what I do’ candidate. He wants to be the conscience of the country without necessarily having one himself”.

    Brilliant. A must read. Sorry I don’t know how to do links yet or I would post it.

  • info_please

    Nothing fresh about Barack’s outlook. Secret deals with Teamsters that he lies to the public about.

    What is the truth about his murky Chicago relationships with the unrepentant terrorist Ayers and the slime bag Rezko?

    Instead of offering a kiss to win a woman’s vote, how bout some honest, direct answers? No wonder there’s a gender gap.

    • beebop

      You will notice that none of the Obambrats wants to weigh in on the Teamsters snaffu. Sounds to me like NAFTA all over again … Must have lost the 3×5 card he carries to remind himself of what his position is on the subject.

  • http://DeeLee deelee

    Let me pose a few questions to this clown Jeff.

    “If you were a black american and HRC (or John McCain)had ties to the KKK for a number of years, however remote, would you consider them as presidential material, and vote for either one?

    Do you think ALL white americans would support them?

    Can you prove to me (and anybody else at this site),the flaws in the reverse of this analogy and why they should vote for Obama?

    • Jeff

      ““If you were a black american and HRC (or John McCain)had ties to the KKK for a number of years, however remote, would you consider them as presidential material, and vote for either one?”

      “Can you prove to me (and anybody else at this site),the flaws in the reverse of this analogy and why they should vote for Obama?”

      Too easy. The KKK is an all-white racist criminal network that has spent decades lynching, beating, disenfranchising and terrorizing African-Americans, Jews, and other minorities. Jeremiah Wright is a black man who believes in a stupid theory about the invention of AIDS. You show me where Wright has ever committed an act of racial violence, or incited the members of his racially-mixed congregation to go out and lynch white people, we’ll be getting somewhere.

      So yes. I can point out the hideous flaws in your “reverse analogy”.

      • Mel

        Ummm why did you avoid Ayers, Dohrn, Black Panthers and the host of other Terrorist associates of Obama’s for, that is what this blog is about, not Wright!

        Selective choosing again Jeff, must be a primary tomorrow, and you must be raking in the blogging dough from Axelrod today, what is the points for this week, not another IPOD I hope!

        • Jeff

          “Ummm why did you avoid Ayers, Dohrn, Black Panthers and the host of other Terrorist associates of Obama’s for, that is what this blog is about, not Wright!”

          Since deelee posed a reverse analogy regarding a racially divisive organization, I assumed she was mirroring the Rev. Wright controversy. But if you want to play the game, too, fine! What’s your reverse analogy for Ayers?

          BTW, the Black Panthers are not a “terrorist” organization. But if you want to go down that path, can you explain why Hillary Clinton worked for them?

          • Mel

            Sorry Jeff, I am not going to continue on this path of yours in twisting and turning, you enjoy your Obama while he is still around, as playing your troll games is getting really boring….hey I am like Obama……but damn I’d nhever vote for him….lol

            • Jeff

              “Sorry Jeff, I am not going to continue on this path of yours in twisting and turning, you enjoy your Obama while he is still around, as playing your troll games is getting really boring”

              Your selective attacks are getting really boring. You challenge me on my response to someone else, then when I respond to you, you run away…

            • stodghie

              hmm, i think maybe dkos ran him off. maybe kos is cleaning house of the teenie boppers because they are trashing the place and won’t clean up after themselves.

        • http://Whosturnisit? TeakWoodKite

          Mel, I read the times online artical, thanks again.

          It still did not say who paid for BO’s apartment in Hyde Park when arriving from NY.It did say he bought a car…but not who paid for the crib.

          • Mel

            No one knows Teakwoodkite, reading the article seems like it was subsidized.

            • http://Whosturnisit? TeakWoodKite

              I bet a wooden nickel tht Ayers paid for it.

              ’cause if he was in NY and Ayers and company was in NY…who would you go to if you knew some was well connected in the place you where going and you were tapped? Just a theory of how far back this relationship went back. Since Davis was a bud of Ayers Sr. and would have told BO to look him up if he was in Chicago or his kid in NY., I wish I could put it to rest and has been bugging me.

              • Jeff

                “I bet a wooden nickel tht Ayers paid for it.”

                Why not just go ahead and state anything that comes into your head as fact? Weren’t Hitler and Obama roommates at Harvard?

                • TeakwoodKite

                  I said it was a theory, Jeff.
                  And has historical circumstances for me to base it on. It will bother me until some factual evidence proves one why or the other.

                  Don’t you have anything else to do but make it obvious to everyone posting here at NQ you lack basic reading skills?

                  Weren’t Hitler and Obama roommates at Harvard
                  I was wondering where he got that style of speech he spews on the pews. Thanks for clearing that up.

                  Must have struck a troll nerve.

        • info_please

          Absolutely right on! Haha. At first I thought maybe today was a school holiday. He probably gets credit on iTunes per post.

  • hummingbirdv

    KWynne…agreed. I for one do not want to lose any of the Democratic constituency…. Latino, AA, Jewish, Catholic, WOMEN and WOMEN and WOMEN. Wake up DNC folks. We are the bread and butter of the Dems… we make it, serve it, and vote it. STOP ignoring us!

  • Jeff

    ” In fact, I will register as an Independent and will no longer support the Democratic party, if Hillary is not the nominee.”

    Fine. Good. Go. Leave. Goodbye! We don’t need you!

    If this is all the patience you have for primary politics, and how democracy actually works, good riddance! Leave. Go!

    If you think the only way Democrats can ever win the presidency and succeed is by nominating a Clinton, go! Leave! We don’t need you!

    • it’snotme

      “If this is all the patience you have for primary politics, and how democracy actually works”

      That’s too funny for words! NOT counting the votes of 2 entire STATES is NOT how “a Democracy works.” If not for Mr. Hope, MI and FL would be counted.

      Or does Mr. Hope now have a “New” definition of “Democracy?”

      • Jeff

        “If not for Mr. Hope, MI and FL would be counted.”

        That’s simply not true. Blaming Obama for things you don’t like doesn’t make it true. FL and MI did this to themselves. I can hardly blame Obama for not endorsing a Clinton-funded/organized “revote” effort.

        • it’snotme

          No they didn’t. The Republican FL legislature did this to FL and Obama took his name off the MI ballot when it was NOT required by the DNC to do so.

          He knows if those states are counted, he loses. That’s all there is to it.

          As for the “Clinton-funded revote effort”….at least it would have been paid for! I didn’t see his campaign, which is wallowing in lotsa $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ offer up any funds. Just because Corzine and Rendell offered to get the funds, it doesn’t mean they weren’t being sincere.

          What? You think just because Rendell and Corzine could get the fund together the MI. election officials would cheat? Corzine and Rendell are DEMOCRATS just trying to help. Instead, we’ll just not count the MI votes because Mr. Hope doesn’t want to. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. THAT’S DEMOCRACY AT ITS FINEST!

          • it’snotme

            correction: fund = funds

          • Jeff

            “No they didn’t. The Republican FL legislature did this to FL and Obama took his name off the MI ballot when it was NOT required by the DNC to do so.”

            Then why did the Florida Democrats vote for the measure near-unanimously? And what kind of contest is it when Hillary was playing solitaire on the Michigan ballot? Give me a break. You know, if Hillary would have simply acknowledged that Michigan really couldn’t be fairly counted, they might have gotten somewhere in their negotiations with the DNC and Obama’s campaign. But she insisted on all-or-nothing, and guess what: she got nothing.

            “As for the “Clinton-funded revote effort”….at least it would have been paid for! I didn’t see his campaign, which is wallowing in lotsa $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ offer up any funds.”

            I fail to see why after the good Democrats of FL and MI committed electoral suicide and forced the DNC to strip their delegates, Barack Obama should have come along and cleaned up their mess by throwing them $15 million.

            They were idiots for what they did. It’s THEIR FAULT.

            • it’snotme

              The FL Dems voted for the legislation because it also included a measure for evoting machines with a PAPER TRAIL. That’s why they voted for it.

              Hillary was NOT the ONLY candidate on the MI ballot. Dodd and Kucinich were also on it. No one required Mr. Hope to remove his name. HE is responsible for the MI votes not being counted.

              And just so you know, the DNC rules require only 50% of the delegates to be removed, not 100%. THAT was Obamaroid, Donna Brazille’s brain child.

              DEMOCRACY AT ITS BEST! My ass.

    • stodghie

      jeff, it is your sorry self we don’t need. think carbuncle on the tail of humanity.

    • Nellie

      WOW! Since when are bullying, voting fruad, false smears and all of Obama’s dirty, and at times Illegal, tricks considered and soft pedaled as just Primary Politics?

      I have invovled in politics for over 40 years, and Obama’s campaign is the dirtiest and most gutter level I have EVER seen.

  • K. Wynne

    Jeff,

    Blah, Blah, Blah!

    I don’t care if you don’t vote for Hillary. I am, and nothing you can say or do will change my mind. I’m also NOT voting for Obama, should the DNC succeed in stealing the nomination for him. The DNC’s big mistake is assuming that the core constituency of the democratic party, it’s women, have been betrayed for the last time. I guess you could say, the majority of us are mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore.

    Any candidate who will remain silent in spite of all the outrageous, disgusting misogynistic attacks against a former First Lady and Senator, who has more than earned our respect through her public service, will not get my vote, period. Obama stood up and admonished his supporters for calling McCain a warmonger, but he doesn’t show the same consideration and respect for a person from his own party. For that arrogant behavior alone, he can KMA!

    I will no longer vote against my self interests in order to please the DNC elites. In fact, I will register as an Independent and will no longer support the Democratic party, if Hillary is not the nominee.

    Enough is enough.

  • Robin

    Am I the only one out here in the real world that recognizes Obama and Michelle are racist and we are all in a shit load of hurt if he gets elected? Come on people, wake up and see BO/MO for what they really are. A FRAUD and a RACIST.

    • Jeff

      “Am I the only one out here in the real world that recognizes Obama and Michelle are racist and we are all in a shit load of hurt if he gets elected? Come on people, wake up and see BO/MO for what they really are. A FRAUD and a RACIST.”

      You write this as if 99% of the people on this site don’t make these claims every 5 minutes.

      • Robin

        Jeff – Go blog on Obamas site.

  • danglibrul

    You ask why the MSM is not covering this.
    They don’t want this to help Hillary in NC & Indiana, but they will save it to help their darling MCCain in the GE.

  • info_please

    I was shocked there was no mention of this in MSM all weekend. How could Tim Russert not ask about it? Then yesterday morning there was a pipe bomb explosion at the San Diego Federal Courthouse. Scary. Terrorism, or at least fear again. Here. I thought, now they’ve got to be talking about the relevance of Ayers. But the bombing in San Diego barely got covered, let alone any discussion raised of Obama’s ol’ pal.

    • Jeff

      ” was shocked there was no mention of this in MSM all weekend. How could Tim Russert not ask about it?”

      Until the media uncovers Obama advocating domestic terrorism in any of his statements or positions, there is no reason for this to be covered at all. Sorry.

      • info_please

        I disagree. Obama has not been forthright about his relationship with Ayers. In some instances, he’s been deceitful: “He’s a guy in my neighborhood” ????

        Voters have a right to know the truth. He has an obligation to disclose more details about his and Michelle’s relationships with Ayers-Dorn. A NYC co-op board would demand more disclosure from applicants than we’ve seen with Sen Obama.

        • Jeff

          “Voters have a right to know the truth.”

          Voters have a right not to have the entire campaign season co-opted by scandal-mongering of the most vile sort.

          “He has an obligation to disclose more details about his and Michelle’s relationships with Ayers-Dorn.”

          No, he doesn’t. Does Hillary have an obligation to “disclose more details” about working for a communist law firm in the 1970′s? No, she doesn’t. Neither story has one ounce of relevance to the way either of them would run the country if elected.

      • http://www.eat4today.com katiebird

        (shaking my head)

        Well, I think it’s an issue that Obama began his political career on the front steps of Domestic Terrorists. And that he probably accepted money raised at that event.

        I know that a lot of people see it your way. And it’s obviously possible to get the Democratic nomination. But, I just don’t see how a man who socializes and accepts favors from Domestic Terrorists gets elected President in this country.

        • Jeff

          “Well, I think it’s an issue that Obama began his political career on the front steps of Domestic Terrorists.”

          Fine. Then using your ridiculous guilt-by-association standard, we should spend the next 2 months poring over the reasons why Hillary Rodham worked for a communist law firm in the 1970′s. She owes us answers! Blah, blah, blah!

  • AF catfish

    Today’s WSJ Letter to the Editor:

    Charming Bombers, But What of Victims?

    Elizabeth Wurtzel (“Obama’s Other Radical Friends,” op-ed, May 2) can be forgiven her youthful fascination with radical bomber Bernardine Dohrn. We all have ideas at 15 that seem silly from the perspective of middle age. Barack Obama’s reported close relationship with Ms. Dohrn and Bill Ayers is much more troubling and raises legitimate questions about his judgment and maturity.

    In a 33-year law-enforcement career I had occasion to arrest many charming criminals. One of the most engaging was a California radical, rapist and prison escapee associated with the Symbionese Liberation Army (remember them?) who was living in Louisiana. When, after an intensive undercover investigation, I confronted him with his true name, he stuck out his hand and said “You must have talked to them in Oakland.” Indeed I had, and what I learned was chilling.

    From all accounts, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn are equally charming. That does not nullify their crimes. Placing a bomb is one of the most evil of acts because the effects of a bomb are totally indiscriminate and incredibly devastating. Just ask a young Iraq War veteran who will live the rest of his or her life minus body parts. Just ask the families of those killed by Timothy McVeigh in the Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

    There is little moral difference between Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn and McVeigh. Timothy McVeigh was simply a less charming individual and a more successful bomber. He received just punishment for his crime. Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn did not.

    Greg Phares
    Baton Rouge, La.

    link

  • hummingbirdv

    A previous post cites BO’s organizational ability as a prime qualification for the highest office in this land. No question, Obama’s campaign has been organized… mafia style. The bullying, fraud, and outright intimidation has been unparalled. What they continually accuse the Clinton campaign of are tactics they themselves are employing masterfully… (including busing folks in from out of state to dominate rallys, events, and caucuses).

    There is no “High Ground” that Barack can lay claim to. Not in the behavior of his campaign in caucuses, or in his selection of friends and associates. It puts into serious question his integrity because he began his campaign as the candidate with golden principles.

    As this campaign goes on, and the information about his life choices is slowly revealed, and his campaign tactics are experienced, ALL Americans are questioning his judgement and questioning whether his “Walk” matches his “Talk”.

    The folks voting on Tuesday will have a chance to add to the discussion. It will be VERY interesting to see what they have to say.

  • susan

    HOT! Ayers desecrates flag photo !!!

    ——————————————————————————–

    I am sending this link to newspaper editors in NC and IN – suggest you do the same!

    Dear Editor,

    I wish to bring to your attention the newly released photograph of Barack Obama’s associate, notorious “weather underground” terrorist Bill Ayers standing on the American flag taken in 2001, while both where serving together on the same Board. See: http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Ma…01/No-Regrets/

    This new information may be of critical interest to your readers

  • sonia

    Please go to http://www.savagepolitics.com and check it out.

    write your comments and give your feedback..

    the article is titled: an “Unholy Trinity of Hate By Black Preachers”

    Lots more than Wright in terms of haters who have endorsed BO.

  • sonia

    West Virginia

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of the race shows that Clinton attracts 56% of the Likely Democratic Primary Voters while Obama is supported by 27%. Seventeen percent (17%) are not sure.

    Clinton is viewed favorably by 72% of West Virginia’s Primary Voters, Obama by 48%. Clinton’s numbers are unchanged while Obama’s ratings have dropped five percentage points.

    Yup, WV is so not going to Obama if his numbers are that shit with Rassmussen.

  • nosnobamaever

    itsnotme just read that article on bill clinton, it was great ! i have always loved the clintons. and as far as “jeff”, maybe you could consider a coffe enama, good for what ails you, constipation….. clean yourself out and then come back in here and post.

  • K. Wynne

    jeff,

    Obama is nothing more than another front man, just like GW. The DNC power elite white men have decided they want the same opportunity to advance their agenda. Same horse, just a different color (no pun intended) and the American people are willing saps for believing this BS again. We don’t know who Obama really is and the MSM is making no effort to inform us either. How can a man of integrity align himself with such questionable characters, who are anything but honorable? Rezko, Auchi, Ayers and Lord knows how many others we still don’t know about.

    You have to wonder why a man, who has based his entire campaign on the mantra of being a new kind of politician, yet, has surrounded himself with many of the old establishment politicans…Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd, Daschle (all losers, BTW). That’s a major contradiction and should be a huge red flag for anyone who isn’t totally lost their ability to reason.

    Clearly, there are ulterior motives for Obama being protected by the MSM, the DNC, the so-called “progressive bloggers”, pundits and journalists who continue to avoid scrutinizing him as every presidential candidate should be. He’s been made into a teflon candidate, much in the same way Reagan was, and look what Ronnie helped perpetuate upon our country.

    You also have to ask yourself, for what purpose has Zbigniew Brezinski (Mika Brezinki’s daddy and Jimmy Carter’s former National Security Advisor) endorsed Obama? You really think he has no ulterior motives for such support and intends to have direct access to the Oval Office ready with advice on foreign policy, should Obama be anointed by the DNC (much in the same way the Supreme Court annointed GW)into the White House?

    Brezinksi co-founded the Trilateral Commission in 1973 with David Rockefeller. Does that sound like new politics to you? Or change you can believe in? Brezinski believes in one world government. A man in over his head as Obama will surely be, as president, will be totally dependent on people like Brezinski and others and none of it will be good for the continued soverignty of our nation.

    Wake up from your kool-aid stupor. You cannot really believe that Obama is going to walze into the Oval Office and blink his eyes and BAM! Congress will do exactly as he tells them!? Who’s kidding who here?

    Obama is not about solutions, he’s about an agenda. One that will bring “one world government” into reality and destroy the idea that was America forever.

    Hillary is the only hope this country has of diverting us from this perilous path. However, to our great sadness, the reality is that rampant misogynism has blinded people to what’s going on here and the has totally obscured the truth that Obama is not who he says he is and the price we will pay will be too much to bear, if we let him near the White House.

    • Jeff

      “Obama is nothing more than another front man, just like GW. The DNC power elite white men have decided they want the same opportunity to advance their agenda.”

      That’s just an assertion, supported by nothing. The Clintons have controlled the party apparatus for the last 16 years. Along comes an insurgent like Obama, out-raises them, out-campaigns them, out-organizes them, and all you can say is that now he’s the establishment. Right.

      “We don’t know who Obama really is and the MSM is making no effort to inform us either.”

      I know who he is–I’ve actually taken the time to read his books, to read his policy positions, to study his record. I don’t know everything, but I know enough to get a real sense of who he is. If people actually read up on the guy, this whole “we don’t know who obama really is” meme would go away. All the information is out there. The only purpose the meme serves is to justify endless scandal coverage of this “mysterious” black guy with a funny name.

      “You have to wonder why a man, who has based his entire campaign on the mantra of being a new kind of politician, yet, has surrounded himself with many of the old establishment politicans…Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd, Daschle (all losers, BTW).”

      The only figure on that list you could possibly say Obama has surrounded himself with is Daschle–he’s provided a lot of good advice and mentoring for the freshman senator. The rest are merely endorsements, which came in long after not only the campaign had begun, but the initial primaries and caucuses had been run.

      “Clearly, there are ulterior motives for Obama being protected by the MSM, the DNC, the so-called “progressive bloggers”, pundits and journalists who continue to avoid scrutinizing him as every presidential candidate should be.”

      OK, what exactly is “clear” about that? Please offer the motives, and then evidence supporting your claims. It’s also ridiculous to assert anyone in the media isn’t “scrutinizing” the living hell out of him right now.

      “Obama is not about solutions, he’s about an agenda. One that will bring “one world government” into reality and destroy the idea that was America forever.”

      You’ve lost me. This is right-wing tract stuff here. I haven’t heard the phrase “one-world government” since the early 90′s and rumors of “black helicopters” whisking away Clinton’s enemies.

      • stodghie

        jeff, are you really that stupid! don’t answer, we already know.

        • Jeff

          “jeff, are you really that stupid!”

          You’re repeating yourself…

      • Nellie

        Jeff,

        I know who he is–I’ve actually taken the time to read his books, to read his policy positions, to study his record. I don’t know everything, but I know enough to get a real sense of who he is. If people actually read up on the guy, this whole “we don’t know who obama really is” meme would go away.

        This is your fitst error – you have ONE source -Obama. Do what the European Press does because of their very strict libel laws – get 3 independent sources (credible not like Ann coulter) and get different viewpoints. Then that’s where critical thinking and common sense come in and that is the best way to determine TRUTH.

        Much of the information in his book “Dreams” has now been thoroughly debunked by the Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun Times, and LA Times. Actually the British Press has done a much more thorough job.

        Policy Positions – The ones on his Website have been altered and changed frequently – with the original Cached ones being scrubbed. If you keep looking you will note that first he just lifted Edward’s Policies – then he moved in and took Clinton’s Policies. Same Problem, ONE source and person controlling message.

        The difference between Fascism and Marxism – is that in Fascism the CORPORATIONS own Everything. In Marxism – a top down approach as opposed to Maoism, a bottom up approach, is that the State owns everything. However you look at it – it is suppression. Which brings us to this statement you made “All the information is out there”. No Jeff – it is not – it is scrubbed. That is a major red flag as you will see in the link below:

        http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/04/16/obama-campaign-adolph-hitler-nazi-germany-obama-change-euphoria-blame-others-anti-semitic-attacks-bullying-economy/

        And to try and parse it or switch it around is, e for example, like trying to say “Well he used a 38 automatic and not a 50 millimeter or AK 47 weapon”. Murder is murder – it is the outcome of an act – not stupid arguing about which tool or weapon caused it.

        Read an article entitled “Money Chooses Sides” -it shows pictures of guys who are all involved in Hedge Funds or Equity Funds. Then look up Penny Prtizker – Obama’s National Finance Chairman. Penny developed the idea of Sub-Prime Mortgages. Her idea failed miserably in 2001 with the Feds closing her Chicago Bank named superior Bank. There are still questionable RICO actions and all those people in the picture as well as Penny Pritzker need pardons so they can continue on their Merry Way. While us TAXPAYERS will bail out the mess they made with OUR monney – not theirs. And they want to privitize all Social Security and Government pensions so they can continue doing what they have been doing.

        This answers your question as to WHY the MSM and others are protecting him.

        I became suspicious of Obama during the run-up to the NH Primary. Obama just wouldn’t meet with people and answer questions. He wanted large venues with a stage, and was using a teleprompter. Further he was charging to go see him -unheard of in NH for ANY candidate.

        Yes Obama is about an agenda – actually 3 agendas. First to bail out and make things great for his big financial backers.

        Like it or not, if you actually try independent research, you will discover Obama’s father was a communist, as was his mentor Frank Marshall Davis. Marxism is also the ideology of Ayers, and the other 25-30 ex SDS and Weathermen living in or around Chicago.

        The Third is helping his cousin Odinga who has slaughtered over 1,600 people in his zeal to rule Kenya. Obama plans to send US troops to help him:

        http://www.usvetdsp.com/jan08/obama_lou%20tribe.htm

        You know Aristotle had it right:

        Aristotle (384–322 BC) believed that character helped explain a person’s past actions and could predict future behaviour. Character helps identify who we really are on the inside, and is the yardstick by which people identify us as either trustworthy or as rogues.

        A good leader protects and preserves the people’s rights to freedom of expression, because a society is better served by free and open reporting; and controls discrimination, ethnicity and divisive religious practices, as they affect the people’s ability to secure employment and earn a living. It is a common democratic belief that from robust debates grows a better understanding of issues confronting a nation.

        Yet Obama has an army of people scrubbing internet inforamtion. He let his own constituents freeze for 5 weeks, and let 52 people be literally thrown out of their homes, all so his buddy Rezko and associates could make a buck. Good leader – NO Person of Character – NO

        The more I learn, the more dangerous I see Obama, and his greedy, grasping wife. These are people who will do serious harm to America and her people.

        Google lots for yourself, and if you have some sense you will come to similar conclusions.

  • SONIA

    Please contact uncommitted super to show him some HRC love
    (hates negativity so please keep it sweet):
    Mr. Gregory Pecoraro (DNC member)
    email: LGPecoraro@gmail.com
    603 Thornbury Court Westminister, MD 21158

    Doesn’t matter where you’re from…

  • Mel

    Michelle Obama said that her husband, is the only candidate for president who understands that before America can solve its problems, Americans have to fix their “broken souls.”

    She also said that her husband’s unique understanding of the state of souls of the American people makes him uniquely qualified to be President. Obama can heal his countrymen’s broken souls. He will redeem them.

    But then, saving souls is hard work, and Mrs. Obama won’t place the whole burden on her husband. He’ll make the Americans work for him. As she put it, “Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.”

    At base, Mrs. Obama’s statement is nothing less than a renunciation of democracy and an embrace of fascism. The basic idea of liberty is that people have a natural right to live their lives as usual and to be uninvolved and uninformed. And they certainly have a right to expect that their government will butt out of their souls.

    IN CONTRAST, fascist societies, as Jonah Goldberg notes in the latest issue of National Review, are all about the notions of “unity” and “change” and melding our broken souls into a fixed, united will for change that Obama has made the core theme of his campaign. Goldberg compared “unity” with “patriotism,” and explained that while the latter connotes the willingness to defend the moral values of a society, unity is bereft of any moral content. “The only value of unity is strength, strength in numbers – and… that is a fascist value.”

    OPPONENTS OF Clinton claim that she is a soulless woman who will do whatever is necessary to have power, because she likes power and wants it. But if this is true it is hard to see why a power-hungry president is worse than a president who believes that he is the people’s redeemer. It is hard to see why a leader who wants power because she likes power is less reasonable than a president who thinks he has a right to demand that the American people follow his lead and fix their souls in the name of unity. In the former case, opposition to the leader is a policy dispute. In the latter case, it is apostasy.

    When someone wants power for power’s sake, that person tends to be fairly pragmatic. In his first term of office, when former president Bill Clinton – another consummate pragmatist who liked having power – understood his wife’s healthcare plan was about to be defeated overwhelmingly by Congress, he shelved the plan and cut his losses.

    Obama is a messianic leader, when faced with failure, his tendency is to castigate the people, or his political opposition, or the media as evil and to continue on unmoved and bring his country down with him. President Woodrow Wilson’s unpopular and unsuccessful championing of US membership in the League of Nations and former president Jimmy Carter’s wooing of American enemies in the name of peace are examples of what happens when messianic redeemer types are confronted with reality.

    Given Obama’s distinct emotional makeup, it can be assumed that Obama will argue that reality is wrong and continue on – Carter-like – into the abyss and drag his country down with him.

    What is most interesting about the danger that Obama constitutes is how un-unique he is. It is no different than the danger the prospect his presidency constitutes for America. The reason that pseudo-realist and messianic peace mongering bashers support Obama is because they naturally gravitate towards a man on a mission to save the free world from itself. A vision of the world created in the minds of those followers by the man on a mission.

    When Obama hikes taxes and economic protectionism exacerbate the current US recession, under an Obama presidency, rather than debating the merits of the administration’s failed economic policies, the American people will be told that they need to have more “discussions” about race to remind them how mean they are and how much they are in need of President Obama’s spiritual healing. If they are again attacked by jihadists, they will be lectured by Rev. Wright’s longtime follower, their president, about how black enslavement, his white grandmother, anti-abortion senators and their own “cynicism” played a role in convincing the jihadists to kill innocents.

    The youth and old time Yuppies have always had a weakness for messianic leaders and movements. Sometimes, as in the case of the civil rights movement, that tendency towards utopianism has had good results due to the leaders prior actions as proof of burden. More often it has not when the leader has nothing but words. In the current presidential race, Americans, would be wise to consider if they are truly ready to accept Obama as their savior as all anyone has is Obama’s words.

    • Judith

      Wow, just wow! Excellent commentary, Mel! I raised an eyebrow when she gave that speech about what Obama would require from us. I had to agree when a reader made the comment, upon seeing the picture of “Arrogant Obama” with his nose in the air, “He looks like Mussolini…he just needs to fold his arms across his chest”…so true!! There is a very troubling undercurrent around Obama. We would be very foolish to vote for him. With all of his talk about a new government, change, “Why can’t we do that?” on and on ad nauseum I have to wonder if he thinks he is superior to our founding Fathers and all the others who came before him. I would love to see his psychological profile…or maybe shudder.

    • stodghie

      sounds like it is michelle who plans to be the shadow president here. no thanks michelle, go take your meds.

  • nativeokie

    Jeff,

    You said:

    “Don’t talk to me about what some guy Barack sat on a board with
    did 40 years ago when the candidate was 8 years old. Quit insulting the intelligence of the American people. ”

    Let me ask you this. Why is it that we are supposed to believe that Sen. Obama’s time in Indonesia when he was 6-10 years old somehow gives him foreign policy experience because he is so brilliant and yet excuse him for actions that occurred when he was eight? Was he not keeping up with current events at the time? I would think that a savant of his stature at 6 yrs old would be informed enough at 8 yrs old to know the difference between lawful protest and anarchy. I’m sure the news of the U. S. was distributed in Indonesia as it was in all other parts of the world. If he was engaged enough to have his time count then, then I think he should be held accountable for his awareness at age 8 also.

    Or Sen. Obama could just give up the ridiculous premise that he is the most brilliant 6-10 year old in the world and has any credible foreign policy experience. Of course that would mean he would have to admit to just being human….

    AL

    • Jeff

      “Why is it that we are supposed to believe that Sen. Obama’s time in Indonesia when he was 6-10 years old somehow gives him foreign policy experience because he is so brilliant and yet excuse him for actions that occurred when he was eight?”

      I think this is a fair point. Obama’s campaign should not have it both ways.

  • Baraboo Johnny

    His ego won’t let him drop out.

    • PMS

      …or Michelle.

    • http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

      Speculation: He won’t be given a choice. We have no clue what leverage the power brokers might have on him — and it is logical to assume that they may use it on him to stop him.

  • rwc

    Somewhere Rove is drooling, ready to carve up some Obama roast.

    Its just too bad the Democratic elite have decided to back him to the bitter end.

    • http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

      Its just too bad the Democratic elite have decided to back him to the bitter end.

      I don’t see them going down with the Titanic cluster fuck ship called Obama. Watch for a deal soon where Obama gets a parachute and spares the nation of any more of this nonsense. I predict he will be out of the race soon, and Obama did say Indiana could be the tie breaker.

      He could spin that of course to mean something else, but he could also FOR ONCE mean what he said — and drop out of the race.

      People need to remember surely there are high level discussions going on all the time behind the scenes. Think about it, what would they be talking about and planning to do? To me the answer is obvious, and we’ll know soon enough.

      • it’snotme

        I don’t know. The DC elites HATE the Clintons and I do mean HATE. Their hatred may overrule their common sense, if any of them have any common sense left. It seems they’ve all forgotten that Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating. THEY may hate him and Hillary, but THE PEOPLE DON’T! The people love them. The “Small-town ambassador”, Bill Clinton, is beloved by the citizens. Hillary is too. Kennedy, Kerry, McCaskill, Leahy, Pelosi, Durbin, Casey and the rest of the DC elites had better pay attention to WE THE PEOPLE and what we want or they may regret their decisions come November.

        Here’s a FANTASTIC article about Bill Clinton in small-town NC. I would recommend all DC elites READ IT.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/04/AR2008050401846.html

        ‘I’M FROM THE BACKWATER’
        In Small Towns, Bill Clinton Finds A Campaign Niche

        • stodghie

          i think obama will be “oh yeah, him” next year. unfortunately we will be saluting president mccain for four years. i hope the patheic dims keep the majority though they don’t deserve it.

        • http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

          he DC elites HATE the Clintons and I do mean HATE.

          Hatred will be trumped by survival of our nation concerns. Obama is blackmailing America with fear of riots — he is trying to bully the nation and that is not something we can allow. The elites will just have to grow up and get over their hatred for the good of our nation.

      • stodghie

        i do so hope you are right. i despair at what this country and some of the poorly informed citizens are doing to it. they seem to think this is an american idol contest.

  • sandyR

    Isn’t a “Free Press” one of the Pillars of Democracy?
    I think we’re going to have to buttress up that pillar. There’s been a lot of termite damage in that pillar as well which we have to be dealt with.

    Great article. Amazing interview on Fox. Murtagh was superb. He told his story, explained his viewpoint of Obama’s bad judgement. Did not get off track when Greta tried to move him. Really an eloquent man.

    I would think, hope (dare to believe) that the press will pick this up. Shouldn’t the New York Times
    be wiping the snot off its nose and doing something with this story. I mean, heck, doesn’t it at least want to pretend that it is America’s paper of record?
    (blah, blah NYT–always vigilant aren’t you?)

    Well, brilliant work on all fronts. Last few days have seen the NoQuarter people hitting on all cylinders. Great stuff with the photo and quote on
    Ayers.

    I swear, it makes you want to go out and buy a television station just to put some actual fact-driven info out there.

  • WestPalm4Hillary

    Sigh. Why is it that so many of Obama’s friends, supporters and associates either want to “Blow up America” (Ayers), Bring “Death to America” (Hamas), “Sell out America” (Rezko) or “God Damn America” (Wright)?

    Given his shady associations, would Obama ever even pass the security screening to sit in on the national security meetings he wants to lead as President?

    • workingclass artist

      Well Done West Palm…..Short and to the Point….The LOGIC is glaring….

      • CognitiveDissonance

        Exactly right! When I joined the military and needed a security clearance, they didn’t just investigate me. They investigated everyone I had associated with. If someone like Ayers had been in my closet, they wouldn’t have let me in, let alone given me a security clearance. Why would anyone think a president – the commander in chief – shouldn’t also be able to pass such a test?

  • Jeff

    “Why hasn’t there been a single story on this remarkable two-part interview?”

    Because it couldn’t be more irrelevant to the serious problems facing our country.

    • scott

      Yeah like how fucked the country will be if Barky gets elected.

    • PMS

      The USA is in the middle of a “war with terror” right now (whether we like it or not), with domestic soil attacks from crazies in the Middle East (NYC) and Middle West (OKC).

      So electing a POTUS who has no problems being associated with unrepentant domestic terrorists isn’t an issue. Great reasoning there, Jeff.

      Another voice of reason from the Democratic Party’s “We Like to Lose” Wing.

      • Jeff

        “So electing a POTUS who has no problems being associated with unrepentant domestic terrorists isn’t an issue. Great reasoning there, Jeff.”

        Talk to me about health care. How to defend our country from another terrorist attack. How best to protect our environment. How to pull out of the recession. Improve and expand job training. Restore and replace our broken manufacturing sector. Develop and implement a rational immigration policy. Reduce our energy dependence on the Middle East. Withdraw our troops from Iraq.

        Don’t talk to me about what some guy Barack sat on a board with did 40 years ago when the candidate was 8 years old. Quit insulting the intelligence of the American people. Do your fucking job and talk about how we can solve the great crises that we face as a nation.

        Any of this other crap is a criminally negligent waste of the American people’s time and energy.

        • John

          Our “fucking job” is to talk to you, Jeff, about how we can solve the great crises that we face as a nation? I had no idea! I must tell you, though, that you have been delinquent sending me my fucking paycheck for doing my fucking job.

          You know who’s fucking job it is to do MORE than “talk” about these problems? Candidates for President. So why is only Hillary Clinton doing her fucking job? Because all I get from Senator Hopeychange is a lot of hot air with all the nutritional content of cotton candy.

          Maybe you can consult your fucking candidate and find out why he isn’t doing HIS fucking job. Or better yet, take a fucking flying leap.

          Sorry- just doing my fucking job.

          • Jeff

            “Our “fucking job” is to talk to you, Jeff, about how we can solve the great crises that we face as a nation?”

            It’s not your job to talk to me, but it is your job as a citizen to discuss actual policy issues during our political season rather than treat the whole campaign like a Jerry Springer episode.

            “So why is only Hillary Clinton doing her fucking job? Because all I get from Senator Hopeychange is a lot of hot air with all the nutritional content of cotton candy.”

            Here are some of the issues you claim Obama isn’t talking about. Here’s why I support him.

            Obama is superior to Clinton because he isn’t lying to voters that a “gas tax holiday” would somehow lower gas prices.

            He was against the war from the beginning–no matter how much you spin, Hillary was for it, and he was against it.

            He voted against the credit card bankruptcy bill–she voted for it.

            He wants to raise the cap on the payroll tax so that those making $250,000 or more annually actually have to pay it–she’s against that.

            He has the most progressive voting record in the U.S. Senate, according to the National Journal Index–she’s 18th.

            He’s demonstrated a remarkable organizational ability that bodes extremely well not only for the general election, but in terms of how he would govern–HRC has run her campaign off the fucking rails, hemorraghing money, staff, leaks, supporters, superdelegates, you name it. Not one ounce of planning after Super Tuesday. This is someone we want running our federal government?

            • John

              I’ll just answer your last question, because the rest of your post is just vomited-up talking points.

              The answer is “yes.”

              • Jeff

                “I’ll just answer your last question, because the rest of your post is just vomited-up talking points. The answer is “yes.”

                That is the emptiest dodge I’ve ever seen in my life. You can’t even respond specifically per issue? All you are capable of is a one-word response?

                Do you even think about any of these issues on your own? Do you have positions on them? Or do you just follow politics because you enjoy tearing people down with ad hominem attacks on their religion, their past associations, blah, blah, blah, blah…

                Your answer is so transparently cowardly. You’re afraid to discuss these issues.

                • John

                  Wow you sure are getting hot and bothered over not getting a “good enough” response from an annonymous poster, Jeff. Is this what Obamameltdown looks like? It isn’t pretty. Do you kick your dog when it doesn’t respond to you fast enough? How about your girlfriend?

                  It’s hardly worth it, but I’ll take it a bit further- you see, Jeff, I don’t equate being able to spend millions of dollars raised by nuke plant lobbyists, slum lords, and assorted terrorists on campaign commercials EXACTLY with the skills needed to be a competent president. You clearly do.

                  I hope my response doesn’t cause you to burst a blood vessel– unlike Obamaphiles, we Hillary supporters don’t get violent when argued with. Please, call a doctor or switch to decaf. The world doesn’t revolve around you- and neither do I.

            • deke

              You are such a douche bag. When Obama was in the Illinois Legislature he voted 3 times for suspension of the gas tax now because he was slow in reacting he is against it.
              When it comes to running a campaign effectively he is constantly off message. He has raised a quarter of a billion dollars and can only get 50% of the vote and not be able to close the deal. How many times on the campaign has he had to make a mea cupa over something someone said or some relationship. Since his speech no one heard what has he done to end the war. His plan calls for leaving the private contractors in Iraq. Obama has the word disaster written all over him.
              And tell me about he recovery plain with his Milton Friedman economists.
              Now quick go cut and paste something.

              • Jeff

                “You are such a douche bag.”

                I’ll skip the personal attack.

                “When Obama was in the Illinois Legislature he voted 3 times for suspension of the gas tax now because he was slow in reacting he is against it.”

                Yes, and if you watched his interview with Russert yesterday, you heard him say he learned the hard way in the Illinois Legislature that suspending the gas tax doesn’t work.

                “When it comes to running a campaign effectively he is constantly off message.”

                It’s true that he’s had the toughest couple months of his campaign. When all anyone will ask about is his former pastor, or about some guy he sat on a board with, it is difficult to give an “on-message” answer.

                • DrMK

                  and he does not want to debate because….because he wants to talk about the issues? help me jeff, i’m confused (fresh out of koolaid)

                  • Jeff

                    “and he does not want to debate because….because he wants to talk about the issues?”

                    Actually, you’ve accidentally stumbled onto the truth. Another 90-minute “debate” where policy issues aren’t brought up for the first 45 minutes would be a flagrant waste of everyone’s time, except maybe Hillary Clinton. So you’re correct: “he does not want to debate because he wants to talk about the issues.”

                    • pm317

                      Let the waffleman go on O’Reilly and hold his own on issues without his ummm, hmmm and all the stuttering. Yah, he wants to talk about issues! Whom are you kidding?

                      BTW, you have it all wrong about the gas tax — McCain is going after Reagan Dems and therefore, proposed the gas tax. Hillary saw that and one upped him by getting the Oil companies to pay for it. It was exactly the right strategy to take the issue away from McCain. What does your guy do? He comes back and says, “oh, it is only $27.” Fool! He is playing right into McCain’s hands by making his elitist argument — he doesn’t even understand how to play the game. She is still standing and winning because she has run an excellent campaign. I can go on about the missteps from his campaign which will haunt him if he is the nominee — we don’t hear any of it because MSM is protecting him now. It is a myth that he has run a good campaign.

            • deke

              It is the Obama crowd that acts like the audience of a Springer show.

            • beebop

              He wants to raise the cap on the payroll tax so that those making $250,000 or more annually actually have to pay it–she’s against that.

              You know that not to be the case. It is insane that you come here to lie to people smarter than you.

              She wants to raise it 20% and he wants to raise it north of that because God forbid she be right. At one point, he mentioned as much as 28% and then quickly backed off of that once the absurd number came back to his ears.

              Why don’t you go and have these simplistic and dishonest discussions at those websites you favor with people who are your intellectual equivalents — i.e., midgets?

              • John

                hey smartie, you’re confusing the payroll tax with the capital gains tax.

            • Nellie

              This one is a hoot

              Obama is superior to Clinton because he isn’t lying to voters that a “gas tax holiday” would somehow lower gas prices.

              Yea – taking 20 cents PER GALLON OFF THE PRICE OF GAS MEANS NOTHING. Tell that to farmers, or those in rural areas who have to commute 40-50 miles PER DAY.

              And one more question – are you Jeff who signed the original Weatherman document – or just a grossly undereducated college student living off mommy and daddy? And whose critical thinking skills are close to non-existant.

        • deke

          You come here and make these stupid moronic cut and paste remarks and ask way there isn’t a discussion of Obama’s policies. Obama’s policies are consistently to the right of Clinton’s. His economic advisors on SS issues has repeatedly stated he is in support of privatization of social security. Obama remarks on Fox news his support of the Reagan Bush agenda on the environment for flexible solutions with regard to emmissions. His chief economic adviser Austin Goolsbee is a Unviversity of Chicago Milton Freidman disciple, who under his leadership would bring us more Reaganomics. His foreign policy advisor is the brother of McCain’s foreign policy advisor and the sons of the godfather of the neocon movement Brezenzki (who is on record as saying the Iraq war was the wrong war). His health care advisor is on record for being against universal health care.
          An Obama presidency would be a worst disaster than the Kennedy administration, which if you know any history it was and he was headed for a one term presidency.
          Now why don’t you cut and paste some more of your inane remarks and tried to defend Obama’s policy’s being superior to Clintons.

        • scott

          “Talk to me about health care. How to defend our country from another terrorist attack. How best to protect our environment. How to pull out of the recession. Improve and expand job training. Restore and replace our broken manufacturing sector. Develop and implement a rational immigration policy. Reduce our energy dependence on the Middle East. Withdraw our troops from Iraq.”

          Jeff maybe you should ask Hillary those questions because Barky doesn’t have the answers.

          Hillary universal health care
          Barky lets leave out 15 million

          Hillary wants diplomatic solutions backed up by force.
          Barky wont pull the trigger if our allies were nuked by Iran

          Barky has a great track record on nukes especially if there is ever a leak. Thanks to him the power plant can choose to let the people in the area know if there is a threat to public safety.

          Barky has no plan to get the troops out of Iraq.

          • Jeff

            Thanks for at least bothering to address policy. To go over your points:

            “Hillary universal health care
            Barky lets leave out 15 million”

            Universal health care isn’t going to get through Congress with mandates. Obama knows that; Hillary doesn’t. Hillary is still hung up on the idea that legislation get passed by destroying the opposition. Obama is a better student of history (including Hillary’s), and knows that only a grand compromise worked out between the 2 parties will ever universal health care passed. He’s also looking at the serious problems MA has faced since passing mandated insurance, and is trying to avoid those. Hillary hasn’t explained yet exactly how she’ll enforce the mandate. Wage garnishment, anyone?

            “Hillary wants diplomatic solutions backed up by force.”

            I take this as your response to the fact that she voted for the war. What exactly about the Iraq War makes it a “diplomatic solution backed up by force”?

            “Barky wont pull the trigger if our allies were nuked by Iran”

            That’s no more than an unsubstantiated assertion. Just because Hillary is gleeful about obliterating an entire nation if Israel was attacked doesn’t automatically place Obama on the opposite end of that spectrum.

            “Barky has a great track record on nukes especially if there is ever a leak. Thanks to him the power plant can choose to let the people in the area know if there is a threat to public safety.”

            I confess ignorance on this issue (I bet this a first for a No Quarter poster, and I await the pile-on). Throw me a link!

            “Barky has no plan to get the troops out of Iraq.”

            Except that he does. Here you go, in a nutshell:

            Commencing in an immediate withdrawal of one or two brigades (3,500 or 7,000 troops) a month; 2) a pressing effort for political stability, with aid from a United Nations constitutional convention; 3) increased regional diplomacy, especially with leaders of Syria and Iran; and 4) humanitarian intervention and financial aid to help stem the effects of current and future sectarian violence.

            • beebop

              Except that he does. Here you go, in a nutshell:

              Commencing in an immediate withdrawal of one or two brigades (3,500 or 7,000 troops) a month; 2) a pressing effort for political stability, with aid from a United Nations constitutional convention; 3) increased regional diplomacy, especially with leaders of Syria and Iran; and 4) humanitarian intervention and financial aid to help stem the effects of current and future sectarian violence.

              Is that the “best case” scenario or, on the other hand, the one “He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. senator,” she said. “He will rely upon a plan — an operational plan — that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn’t have daily access now, as a result of not being the president.”

            • deke

              What about the remaining 200,000 private contractors. What about his Milton Freidman economic advisers. What about his neocon foreign policy advisers. What about his general lack of judgment in who he surrounds himself with. What about his lying about his relationship with unsavory characters. What about his vote for the Chaney Energy Act. And what exactly has he done since his so called infamous antiwar speech to end the war. How many bills did he sponsor in the US Senate that actually passed. And what did he do in his first 5 years in Ill senate.

        • Mr.Murder

          Talk to me about health care.(Obama is opposing single payer) How to defend our country from another terrorist attack(from terrorists at home like McVeigh or Ayers?). How best to protect our environment(Exelon concerns, perhaps?). How to pull out of the recession(and Obama has what legislation that has created jobs?). Improve and expand job training(Crickets from your man on that topic). Restore and replace our broken manufacturing sector(Maytag included, where a major Obama donor bailed the jobs out and gave Barack extra cash?). Develop and implement a rational immigration policy(Barack’s fumbled that as well despite being in a city known for its cross cultural diversity). Reduce our energy dependence on the Middle East(saving up to eighteen cents a gallon doesn’t do that, despite what Obama said about suspending the gas tax in IL or Chicago). Withdraw our troops from Iraq(he said he would oppose and end the occupation, I’ve yet to hear him say that explicitly).

          The war phase has been over(Mission Accomplished) but using nomenclature over “ending” it doesn’t include express statements that we’ll stop the occupation.

          For what it’s worth, any embassy needing thousand of troops to protect it at a time isn’t exactly in unoccupied land.

          There’s not there, there. Obama has been bluster from day one, and when you start to catch up to his policy points his entire argument comes apart. Then we’re back to his playing the race card for an easy out.

          Barack should have to face personal crisis moments and disclose more items dealing with international bank rollers like Rezko and Alsammarae. We’re going to let those crooks supervise the rebuilding of Iraq? They can’t even build or maintain housing projects or power plants in Illinois right.

          You deny the GOP will run on patriotism themes as they always do? Who’s ignorant enough to surrender the idealogical ground there, the same guy who fictionalized swaths of his autobiography, that’s who!

          You really want to this another race about flag burning, didn’t Hillary disable their plan to use that prior, if she is the candidate?

          Stop insulting the right of Americans to determine what is important to them in making a choice, Obama supporters. Dismiss them as angry whites, and see how far back you fall on election day.

          Oh, Barack started his first political race at the home of the domestic terrorist, a career patron donor of Obama’s, the same guy pictured standing on top of a flag for a book he planned to sell, who made comments in support of his bombing more people that were originally reported in the media on, of all days, 9-11.

    • sjc-tx

      WOW Jeff… Are you really THIS STUPID????!!!

      • Jeff

        “WOW Jeff… Are you really THIS STUPID????!!!”

        Why don’t you try a little harder–that wasn’t much of an effort.

        • stodghie

          ok, jeff considering stupid trolls, you are in there with the real dummies. you don’t deserve the benefits of this country, but fortunately for you others died and have worked themselves to death including the clintons so your sorry self could have more being the worthless pimple on the rear of humanity that you appear to be with the stuff you post.

          • Jeff

            “you don’t deserve the benefits of this country, but fortunately for you others died and have worked themselves to death including the clintons so your sorry self could have more being the worthless pimple on the rear of humanity that you appear to be with the stuff you post.”

            Have you caught your breath yet? Call Lifeline if your heart doesn’t stop pounding.

            • JEFF,S MOM

              jeff

              honey
              i been looking for you everywhere ,
              u r low on psychotic meds ,,

              pls get it before u attack everyone here

            • stodghie

              my, you do think highly of yourself there jeff. i am not even sweating or huff/puff angry.

        • JEFF,S MOM

          jeff

          my son

          i need you to help me

          its ur 10th birthday tomorrow ,,,,,,

          what r u doing here ,,come and help me

      • beebop

        No, I believe that Jeff is just confused by the talking points that the Obama campaign is sending his way. The other trolls have left him here all by himself and he is clearly not capable of carrying the Obama water all by himself.

        Not to worry, Jeff. You do at least as credible a job as your candidate.

    • JEFF,S MOM

      jeff

      my son

      i know u r 10 yr old ,,

      but u still have accidents

      so stop stinking this place ,,,come lets change ur diaper

      • Jeff

        “Comment by JEFF,S MOM”

        Hey genius, that should be an apostrophe, not a comma, in “Jeff’s”.

        “i know u r 10 yr old ,,”

        A 10 year-old would have better composition…

  • Ellen Tenn

    I love this part:

    ” Nobody should hold the junior senator from Illinois responsible for his friends’ and supporters’ violent terrorist acts. But it is fair to hold him responsible for a startling lack of judgment in his choice of mentors, associates, and friends, and for showing a callous disregard for the lives they damaged and the hatred they have demonstrated for this country. It is fair, too, to ask what those choices say about Obama’s own beliefs, his philosophy, and the direction he would take our nation.”

    This is the problem I have had with Obama for some time know. He keeps surrounding himself with people that are questionable at the very least (Rezko!) Then he has the nerve to continually bash Clinton and say he is not playing dirty politics. I don’t know if i will be able to vote for Obama if he wins the nomination

    • workingclass artist

      I agree. I think any candidate for POTUS should be held accountable for his POLITICAL FAMILY…..ESPECIALLY OBAMA !

    • Judith

      I will definitely not vote for Obama. His association with Ayers is just as offensive to me as Jeremiah Wright. To kick off your campaign at the home of a known Terrorist is an outrage. I don’t trust him. I don’t have faith in him. I resent the fact that young radicals, who probably have never voted before, have forced him upon us. I resent the fact that the MSM did not and does not do it’s job properly when covering him. If Clinton is not the nominee, I’ll vote for McCain. Frankly I’m sick of the Obama faction of the Democratic Party and want no part of it. Howard Dean needs to pay attention to the drastic difference in Dem and Repub party coffers. It speaks volumes about the General Election.

  • http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

    Susan, thanks for bringing this issue up.

    The MSM is sadly the MSM.

    But the SD’s saw that riveting broadcast. And so did the political and corporate leaders of America.

    I think Obama will be hearing “You’re fired!” shortly.

    • HillMom

      Everything and the kitchen sink has been thrown at this guy. He is rubber and we are the glue. That just the way that it is. I don’t know why. We all want to know how a candidate, with his terrorist affiliations, can still be in a campaign for the presidency. It just doesn’t make any sense. It would have sunk any other candidate long ago.

      • http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

        Obama has the power structure of America (including the MSM) afraid of him and the threat of insurrection (race riots) he has been fomenting. But trust me on this, he will be defeated. America is stronger than a wannabe dictator.

  • workingclass artist

    AYERS IS A CRACZY CRACKER MOFO ANARCHIST STILL ON BAD ACID PROBABLY……Good Post….Keep it up …..

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      ANARCHIST

      Bingo!!!