Our Daughters For Sale

“Solutions are complicated and involve broader efforts to overcome urban poverty, including improving schools and attempting to shore up the family structure.”

Such tired liberal horseshit. He says it like clearing his throat. What the hell have liberals done to “shore up the family structure” during recent decades when the illegitimacy rate has skyrocketed?

In fact, do leftists ever talk about the high illegitimacy rate as a problem unto itself? No… they don’t.

The mysogynist Obots strike again!
Are you familiar with Obama supporter and murderer of young girls Ted Kennedy?

UBM is making a legitimate point criticizing the leftist liberals who provide no more than lip service on this issue. How is that misogynistic?

Excellent and provocative comment, UBM.

Since a large number of these kids are victims of abuse by family members and run aways. one the ways that might help is more shelters for children and counseling.
It is not just females that are victims of prostitution rings.
We need better education on the causes and the ways to help.
As the economy sinks there will much much more of this as people try to survive any way they can.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBA,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

I believe that in the U.S. we do need to begin the dialogue about sex again a different way. I, for one, don’t see the arguments that support abstinence education as wrong. And I do believe that we need to use both the abstinence education and the education that provides birth control information together.

I also believe that with the old church teaching on this subject needs to be reformed and used again somehow. The free sex movement made having sex seem as nothing more than a sport. I know how much pressure there is now for young girls to have sex early now as if doing so is the norm. That in itself could lead some girls into thinking selling sex is not so bad. We need girls and young boys start again to think of having sex as an expression of love and commitment and not a sport of some kind.

I remember Diana Ross’s “Love Child.” Today, many young people would laugh at that song as being corny.

I agree, but it also seems that unfettered capitalism has given these girls a means to profit via the world’s oldest profession. Capitalism should be a reward to virtuous citizens not a syringe in the hands of a junkie.

“The problem isn’t the girls in the streets; it’s the men in the pews,” notes Stephanie Davis

Hard to talk about that when there is such a negative attitude about religion among liberals — as in this gratuitous (and unfounded) swipe.

And what has the black community done to “shore up family structures” and cut down on illegitimacy? Not much. When young black men brag about having a “baby momma”, or more than one, and are seen as “real men” for spreading their sperm around without benefit of marriage, or supporting those babies, it seems to me that it’s not the liberals who are at fault. If men of all colors taught their sons to keep their peckers in their pants instead of using sex to “score”, then the illegitimacy rate would decline considerably. If you have sons, you might pass on that message to them, UBM. That is assuming you yourself don’t have one or more “baby mommas”.

Your comment reminds me a poem that my mother used to quote to us when we were children.

Old John Jones was a very good man,
He went to church each Sunday.
And when he died, he went to hell,
For what he did on Monday.

Pretty much says it all, don’t you think?

The liberals are at fault for leaving this “personal responsibility” message off of its agenda. And for promulgating the idea that somehow the state is responsible for rectifying every human dysfunction.

Why is this problem framed as a liberal lapse over the last decades? Whether Nicholas Kristof is a liberal or not, his reference is to “Americans”.

Where is Donna Brazile to add:

“Stop the labels-fest”?

There are plenty of prostitutes, pimps & customers in communist/socialist countries. Capitalism has nothing to do with it.

JG8047,

Prostitution is not a result of capitalism, as you seem to acknowledge through calling it “the world’s oldest profession.” It’s been with us since the start.

As with everything else, prostitution exists, unfortunately, due to the demand for it.

That’s where the change has to be made.

“Personal responsibility” is something most people learn from their parents, not the state. It is handed down through the generations, parent to child. It is not the job of the state to teach children responsibility, it is the the job of the parents.

“Children of the Night” was founded by Lois Lee in 1979 in LA. Her organization has rescued over 10,000 children and many of these 11-17 year-old children and teens have futures that they never could have hoped for without being rescued by such a dedicated founder.

I had read about this rescue organization long before it was featured on “The Dr. Phil Show”. The video embedded in this link below is inspiring:

http://www.childrenofthenight.org/home.html

I know that prostitution is the oldest profession. I am not naive. And I know it occurs worldwide in democratic countries, as well as countries of every other form of government.

Maybe we were shielded from this news when I was growing up in the fifties, sixties, and seventies, but it just appears to be common news now.

I also do remember the stigma the “loose” girls faced, and I do not remember such an open attitude about sex as there is now. It’s every where in ads, on t.v. Teenagers openly talk about it when adults are present.

I am just thinking that we need to make sex acts less talked about or talked about as something more “sacred” or, at least, as something only between two consenting adults. It won’t prevent prostitution, but it discourage those who might worry about social stigma to think that it’s o.k. to hire prostitutes.

I would just like for people to be able to send their young boys and girls to public schools without having to worry about the pressures they will be facing to have sex or be considered weird.

I would like men to feel dirtier for using women this way.

I would like government law enforcement agencies to have more funding to fight it and also fund places to help these young kids.

I just think the “free sex” movement needs to be reversed.

I agree FLDemFem.

The average age of a girl entering prostitution is 14.

We should follow Sweden’s example: arrest the johns and the pimps and get the girls the help that they need to get off the streets. Prostitution is a human rights violation and should be treated as such.

Excellent comment UBM! I agree.

I’ve witnessed what is happening with these girls. I’ve had foster children run away to my home. Begged me to let them be part of our family. I felt like a traitor when I had to call the police to take them back. I had no choice though in CA if they catch a runaway foster child or any runaway at your home, safe or not. You will go to jail. You’d think they’d be more concerned for the child’s safety. They’re not. These kids want someone to not only talk to them, to show them human compassion, love. Kindness. They want to feel needed, which is why so many set out to purposely become pregnant. It’s not just poor girls that are doing it. A lot of these girls are from middle class families. They’ve mistaken sex for love. What’s even sadder is a lot of it is other young women their own age are doing the pimping. Not your traditional pimps.

true,

Even Mr. Obama has brought this matter up.
You need to listen to Bill Cosby.
When other people disrespect you, that is no reason to disrespect yourself.

Every day you people are deluged with ads telling the that sex is a way to be popular and everyone is doing it. No one talks about the consequences.
Look at the tv ad for bootycall.com. It belittles young people that show any respect for themselves or each other. This and other ads come in to the home every day. Look at the ad for Girls gone Wild. These are college students that still haven understood that some day their kids will see this and ask questions.
Respect for self and each other seems to be treated like a joke. How we turn this around is something I do not know. But starting young to teach respect is a start.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

when religions stop teaching that men are created in the image of god (whose image do you think that leaves for us, btw?) and women are created to serve men as a sort of afterthought party favor, I’ll consider reappraising my opinion of them. Until then Not. So. Much.

I do not know of a society in which women do not derive status from men through the value that men place on them in proportion to their beauty and youth, rather than from other women. Other women, at least as individuals, do not possess the power to affect other women’s status.
This is the root of the problem. Unless women have a way to achieve status other than the criterion of desirability to men, you cannot fix this problem.
Women will continue to conform to men’s expectations of them in order to achieve status and thereby self worth.
This system is accomplished with intensive and overwhelming indoctrination and backed up with force as needed (economic and physical in addition to the psychological) to keep this system operational: for men.
An extremely high social class or wealth are certainly mitigating factors: but imo even these are secondary.
And it’s not just “our daughters” who are for sale: We are for sale. We just don’t cost as much.

leftists bashed cosby when he said what he did; then they swooned when their chicago messiah said essentially the same thing. the reality is that if anyone other than their messiah had said it, they would have bashed him/her, because deep down they believe personal responsibility is not an important issue and is just racist hate speech from the right.

BECAUSE UBM is a chauvinist pig.

This was in inappropriate and sexist comment about the SLAVERY of females by THIS culture.

It is about giving MALES a free pass.

And it is about the chauvinist pigs who try to change the subject.

oh please; the most religious societies in this world are also the most f-ed up. religion is hardly the answer.

The subject is about SLAVERY — and the continuing subjection of FEMALES by MALES.

The point is that these girls are treated as the criminals — and the MALES (pimps and johns) are getting away.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/09/texas-rape-kits/
Women in Texas forced to pay thousands for their rape kits even though “Texas’s crime victim compensation fund consistently has a surplus and could likely cover these expenses.”
video there at url too

I hate all religion, think you might have misread?

Did you all know that Phonenix has the 2nd largest amount of kidnappings in the world….Some of those are teens being taken into Mexico.

Did you hear that Obama is cutting the buget on the border fencing projects…..

In fact Obama is cutting the budget on a lot of things that help to protect the US. Obama is also cutting the budget on scanners at the nation’s sea ports.

Things that make one go Hmmmmm

The de-valuating of women happened in this past election.

First Clinton by 0zero — and 0zero’s insults were at all women because he effortlessly switched gears when Palin entered the race. And he ran some of the most sexists ads EVER. One in particular was featured by a NQ front pager in an article near the end of the campaign.

Then 0zero deliberately made sexists remarks about Palin (oh yes he did!).

The only way change will happen is if we have more female leadership and no tolerance for sexism — because sexism/misogyny is a human rights violation.

Palin get it — she understands that oppression against women happens nearly universally.

I’d say that the religious mythology in most religions and cultures supports the Supreme Penis.

Nicholas Kristof is a hero!!!!!!

The liberals are at fault for leaving this “personal responsibility” message off of its agenda.

Those who don’t keep their flies zipped are at fault. FLDemFem is correct. I certainly don’t need liberals reminding me of anything. Personal responsibility is just that-personal. If you need someone to remind you, it wouldn’t work anyway. Stop the damn blame-shifting.

I dislike the way religion has been used. I grew up in a religious (but not fundamentalist) large, extended family. I think back on my religious training as something very special and something I am very grateful to have experienced.

I do not belong to a church today because I haven’t found one to guide me further at this point. I read theology and study differnt religions. I believe the stories of the major religions and of the ancient mythology have much potential to provide good ethical and moral training for young people.

And I can say that many studies have shown that children from religious homes have better foundations. Many, many of my students who talked about their religion–of any kind–were often the most ethical, moral students in my classes.

I quit church when I was 4 or 5: the preacher said one thing too many that made it obvious to me that he did not know what he was talking about.
There is absolutely no agency more responsible for the enslavement and subjugation of women than organized religion and I abjure it completely.

No one also talks about the consequences for those girls who do not conform to the demand to become sexually available, either: they are socially ostracized at the very least and targeted by peers and adults alike as misfits.

NomNomNom — The system you are referring to is, as you know, a patriarchy. I’ve read that there were never any matriarchies.

Voting members of our patriarchy voted in a rookie black male presidential candidate over a much more qualified female candidate. Even though there were all kinds of reasons — one of the lamest ones was, “I’d vote for a woman, but not that one”, many were the result of sexism and misogyny; they all weighed this black man over a white woman, much to this country’s detriment.

It means as much to me that we have a woman president as it’s meant to AAs that they have a black one. This country still hasn’t lived up to its promise to women.

Yes, exactly.
I would also like to see a woman president, but only the sort of woman president who rises to the office with a track record and platform of supporting women and all of their current rights plus a desire to increase those rights as did Clinton and McKinney.
Many aas are already very disillusioned with their black president: I do not wish to be disillusioned with my woman president.

I do not support Sarah Palin and would not consider voting for her, but undeniably she was unfairly targeted as a woman in the most disgraceful hateful vile way imaginable even as was Clinton, and somewhat similarly McKinney who took a lot of heat for running against another aa, as though her candidacy were somehow less legitimate than that of an aa man.
I absolutely despise anyone who uses misogyny as a political weapon and I would also never support anyone who engaged in it, regardless of the political beliefs of their target. I was completely disgusted by the slander and derisiveness directed towards Palin by BHO. He is truly a POS.

thx for link, very impressive!

Yes, thanks for adding she would have to be pro-women’s rights. My femnist friends hold me to the principle that I have to respect all women leaders and that I can not say one snide thing about Palin. It leaves a hole in my thinking. I’ll learn from you and others.

I will never quit my religious beliefs, but I agree about church. I no longer go to church often. I do not tolerate hypocrisy. I’m quite able to see the boards in my own eye. No one that hasn’t walked in my shoes has any right to judge me. I have only one judge that is able to see into my heart and mind. Far too much hypocrisy in churches today. Distortions of the original message.

Thomas in the scrolls said split a log and pray he will hear. I believe that. The bible to me is a beginning tool. I’ve also read the scrolls. The Apocrypha. The Pseudepigrapha. I’ve read the bible cover to cover several times and am beginning again. It is the relationships each of those men/women had with God/Jehovah/Allah.

Told from the homeless to kings, so none experienced the same, although similar, they didn’t experience life in the same way. Nor articulated themselves the same, just as they still don’t today. The real test to me is in how we choose to take the knowledge we have and put it to use. It is up to each of us to devolop and nurture our own relationship.

Judging by your antiquated radical rhetoric, Northwest, I would wager you believe that male-female marriage contributes to the SLAVERY of females by THIS culture.

I was trying to make the point that one cannot address the condition of broken people exploited by pimps and predators without addressing the brokenness of the traditional family in this culture.

I only judge people who attempt to force their religion upon me, insist that churches are benign, or who insist their religion is Teh Truth etc.
I certainly believe people have real religious/spiritual experiences and that people may have a personal religion that is the foundation of their morality.
I don’t believe anything written in any religious text, and I do deny that they are written by or even inspired by any deity: but obviously, that is jmo.
to go back a post: “Many, many of my students who talked about their religion–of any kind–were often the most ethical, moral students in my classes.”
I don’t doubt that is true, but I’d bet the ones who decide as I did, that religions are not near ethical enough, are equally so.

I voted for McKinney. I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Obummer, and have never voted Republican and couldn’t vote for McCain, in spite of my personal admiration for him and his service record. And by that, I mean his military and political service. His policies were too much like Bush’s. It was fun to be able to say to people who accused me of being racist for not voting for Obummer to say, “Oh, I voted for an AA, AND a woman.” I considered it a protest vote against Obummer, not really expecting McKinney to win.

Tell your feminist friends that you will hold any woman in office to the same standards that you hold the men. That would include criticism of their actions just as you would criticize those of a man in that office. Anything less is patronizing and demeaning and diminishes their accomplishments.

When men ask me if I think women are as good as men, I say, no, we are better. After all, we have 5000 years of your mistakes to learn from, and we have. Too bad you haven’t.

I voted Clinton in the primary and then McKinney in the general; honestly, I think she could be a very viable candidate if the she could get some serious media coverage.
She maintained a strong antiwar focus, and called for repeal of the Patriot Acts, Military Commissions Act, was anti-FISA, anti-Africom, pro-wage equity, pro-environment (including anti-MTR) platform. And unlike Barr and Baldwin: her 12 year voting record matches her speech.
She always says what she means and means what she says, even when it gets her into trouble. I got to really like her. I’d be happy to vote for her again.
I went candidate shopping after Clinton was robbed, had intended to vote McCain, looked at his track record on everything I am for (women, environment, antiwar) and couldn’t do it. I was really hoping a third party would pick up 5%: I knew the libertarians had a better chance of it, but Bob Barr is imo a gop mole.
And you’re right, it was a lot of fun telling people I was voting for the real black candidate.

Are you familiar with rapist and murderer Ted Kennedy….yes, we all remember what happened 4 decades ago to the young Bobby Kennedy campaign worker. And what about the John Patrick K. who raped his 14-year-old housekeeper??

PLEASE SUPPORT “PROTECT” the organization for the PROTECTION OF CHILDREN….Andrew Vachss is a District Att. who has removed the law that was protecting Child abusers so they could go to Family Therapy with their abused kids rather than go to JAIL where these bastards belong….

‘Protect’ needs our support…

Thanks for a great article Bonnie…Kristof said some nice words for Hillary Clinton couple of months ago acknowledging her enormous contribution to bringing the plight of girls sold to trafficking to the attention of the world….

Northwest

Please support “PROTECT” ’cause Andrew Vachss is doing a great job in changing the laws that protect child abusers!….great comment! Agreed!

UBM

Don’t know what you mean exactly by “Family Structure”. Do you know that 80% of all sexual child abuse cases are happening WITHIN THE FAMILY???

Why don’t you go to “PROTECT” web site and see what that Hero District Attorney Andrew Vacchss has unearthed. It’ll change your mind forever about the sanctity of the Family! Rather than go to jail to hang from their goddam necks, the guilty stepdads, fathers, male cousins and grandpapa rapists of little children…..they go to FAmily Therapy and their poor children-victims have to endure this crap!

Let’s take a real hard look at the Family and we’ll see that incensed kids are suffering worse than indentured slaves! Read and support Andrew Vaccss’ PROTECT. Only by protecting our children from the monsters in their own family will we be set free. And we are trying to focus on Don’t Talk to Strangers when it’s INSIDE THE FAMILY that this horrendous incest and abuse is taking place….wake up!!!

THANK GOD FOR GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN THE FAMILY STRUCTURE OF TODAY!!

If it weren’t for hard-nosed disttrict attorneys like Andrew Vachss whose organization “Protect” was responsible for reversing the “family-therapy-for-incest-perpetrators-and-child-molesters” laws, we would have ‘sacred’ family values continue to rape kids within their own homes. Thank God the State’s long arm of the law is now taking a second look at what happens inside the Family! Over 80% of ALL child sexual abuse cases happen inside the children’s own home. The perpetrators are:

Fathers
Stepfathers
Grandfathers
Cousins
Brothers

In over 50% of the cases, the mothers themselves are “enablers”!!!

Undercover BLACK MAN: you still want to have the Government out of family’s way???Jesus, this ain’t about Liberal or conservatives! It’s about PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN…Wake up!!!!