Is it o.k. to break International law if no-one can stop you?

Is America a member of the United Nations sworn to uphold its mandate?

Those are the three questions at the top of my list.

I see a degree of US patriotic arrogance creeping in on most sides of this thread now. Which, I must say, I am personally glad has disguarded the ‘buffoons’ in the main (Susan Nunes, get a life!). PrchrLady made an impressive and dignified stand, as always & certainly my comments are not targeted at anything you have written.

Let me summarise:

There seems to have been a generally expectation (based on the 1st Iraq ‘war’) that American soldiers could potentially go in and annihilate the Iraqi opposition without loss of life in their second invasion of Iraq. Considering most of the loss of life was from “friendly fire” incidents in the first invasion. Considering that Iraqi technology had theoretically gone substantially backwards between the period 1991-2001 and the US technology had advanced beyond expectation. The general feeling was and I spoke to a number of Americans before the 2nd invasion and the general feeling was, well ‘turkey shoot’ comes to mind. That expresses it well. The Iraqis being the Turkeys of course.

That was, is and probably will be the real problem. American arrogance. I mean the only reason the invasion took place is the establishment believed it could pulverise the Iraqis into submission. But, in reality the only solution is wanton, en masse, indisciminate total destruction of human life. You see if you destroy absolutely everyone, then you kill the terrorist. You miss one out, let one go. Well that could be your terrorist.

The reason, I feel, there is so much acrimony here about ‘our boys’ is all sides of the debate are beginning to realise that this war (which is what it is now) is not a carte blanche US expropriation of superiority, but rather an even race. Genocide and annihilation are out of the question as everyone loses, but to actually “win” is going to require massive sacrifice on both sides.

So to be fair to the Bush and the “Repulican spirit”, I don’t think that the Dem’s will do anything different now. Even the success of a ‘more forceful’ invasion is debatable. For I believe the Iraqis were “laying in wait” and the conventional standing up to the US forces was more of a PR excercise than anything else.

So to be brutally clear, any soldier who signs up on active duty should EXPECT to die. Living is a bonus. When one drop of blood is shed beyond those who have been designated as their country’s defenders, then all wearing uniform become cold blooded murderers. Lest we not forget, one civilian death in honour of an invasion places an entire nation on death row.

All along the Watchtower.
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All-American, woof, there it is.
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Posted by: William Taylor |
William Taylor you know Murtha had service already under his belt and met his obligation, he signed right back up for the ‘Nam anyways.

You act like Kerry was “going there anyways’ too.

What part of forward flight deck on an aircraft carrier and crew commander for a patron don’t you get there?

You’re not entitled to a version of history that doesn’t match the efforts past due diligence these two men took. They were true believers who put their ass on the line.

You might not like either of them speaking the truth about the seeming meaningless of this war or the other one, respectively.

Kissinger told the Chinese that the commies could have Viet Nam but we spent three more years there.

What kind of sellout for service and the purpose of this mission have the neocons pulled this time?

I have the feeling they want a new ‘Nam to develop there- low wage borderline communism and strict order placed over the business infrastructure that develops.

In essence, an open bid market with a closed society that lets the intercine bodies of belief squabble over things whilst someone else powerbrokes the big money.

You realize that Iraq’s Christianity is older than even Israel’s by proxie? Jesus’ mother came from Assyria and he was closer to her than Joseph if you read into almost any body of faith. Her faith was developed within the region we now bomb and psyop the refugees for because of other terror we helped create there with war.

That Coptic faith is becoming an illegalform of worship in the new Iraq- mission accomplished.

I have nothing but respect for our Soldiers. They are the ones bleeding here not Rove or Cheney or Bush. The problem is most of our Soldiers signed up to fight for America not Iraq. Where is Bin Laden? Well according to Bush he just doesn’t think too much about him, doesn’t spend much time on him. Why is that? If I were President I would not rest until I turned him over for what he has done to my country. But then this is more about making money and controlling the resources of Iraq for Bush. 9-11 was always just the best excuse for going into Iraq from the first day for the neocons.
That is what makes me sad. They have put all our wonderful Soldiers into a mess for idealogical reasons. Now don’t they at least deserve a substantive debate by serious people about the best way to get out of Iraq with honor? Maybe the longer we stay the more we loose this war. That is where this debate should be, not about whether I am a patriot if I am against the administration.

Called…OPERATION SCREWUP..

or what ever Secret code name they came up with in thier Secret board room while Planning this War and Occupation..

Had to be “Operation Bush’ something…since this was to be his “Legacy”

Remember…GWB says future Presidents will have to Come up with the “solutions”..

President Bush & Co…just set it all in Motion..

Any Immediate Troop Pullouts or Withdrawl is just not in the Plans..

There are many ways we will continue to Occupy Iraq..

Maintain a Military Presence…and Have Our Nose in every Middle east issue and EVENT that Develops..in the Entire Region..

just think of all the Potential Events that have been set in Motion and are Developing..

Larrys Circle Comparison is Accurate..

as others have said…Spirals are Circles..

So are TORNADOS..

Thats what we Have..

Man Made and Destructive..

Really, how would you know this? Actually, if we study the intelligence that was provided before the war, I believe that the sum of the reports (or at least those that were thrown aside because they did not support the ‘plan’) are proving to be hauntingly correct. We have not ‘improved’ on the regime of Saddam, only succeeded in replacing one dictator with a faux government which is held in power by the lies of this administration.

Stay the Course? What course??? They should have left well enough alone and kept our troops here in the states to protect the people of this country from the neocons who have taken control of the US, and are destroying the Constitution.

When you take on new challanges such as this war, which is entirely new since you can’t tell one sand person from another and they wear no uniforms, you are bound to make mistakes. Trust that the mistakes are not recurrent. We have gained so more knowledge from fighting this battle than we could have ever gleaned from intelligence.

Nothing brings out the 101st like attacking “dear leader” or his puppet-master. One day you’ll wake up to see how you’ve been used by them. Tell me, are you better off now than in 2000? Is the country?

To those of you who have served, thanks. I’m sure you know better than most the drastic mistakes that continue to be made. Please join the fight to make it better, rather than blindly defend the current road to ruin.

Accountability and Oversight NOW!

FROM LARRY JOHNSON:
FOLKS, CHECK OUT LITTLE BILLY TAYLOR, OF THE 101ST ARM CHAIR FIGHTING KEYBOARDS. THIS BOY HAS NEVER BEEN IN A COMBAT ZONE (I’VE BEEN IN THREE) BUT HE IS DOWN WITH GEORGE, DICK, AND KARL’S SCHEMES TO AVOID THE DRAFT AND SEND OTHER FOLKS CHILDREN TO WAR. AND THIS GUY IS PROUD TO BE A REPUBLICAN? ANOTHER YELLOW ELEPHANT.