George Bush Sanctioned Rape Rooms?

Care to comment Mr. Johnson…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/14/wterr14.xml

“The second part of the memo, which is headed “Niger Shipment”, contains a report about an unspecified shipment – believed to be uranium – that it says has been transported to Iraq via Libya and Syria.”

and…

“Iraq’s coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.”

I genuinely like to smell in the morning.
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I just saw your picture…and you called Rove “porcine”. It sure looks like you’d have to pay a premium at Sizzler.

You are a soft and plump little feller, aren’t ya?

BTW, how many decades has it been since you were a data entry clerk at the CIA?

Hey, who let the Freepers out?

but wait, I thought we went to Iraq to get rid of Saddam’s rape rooms. who let the rape rooms sneak back in?

You right wingers are so clever. Do you have an argument with any substance? If not how about crawling back into your hole. Where does America go to get our reputation back after these creeps are cleaned out of the White House and we have it fumigated?

I least dipshit is aptly named.

There’s nothing so clever as bubbness, though.

So, about these prisons. Is Iraq going to run their civil affairs or are we? Which way do you want it?
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For a minute there, I thought you had something about the Watergate Hotel. Things could be worse!

Thank you. Are you Mrs. dipshit?

Ooh, you misses, that is no missus.
It sure ain’t no wife to show at the club.
That was a lady who moans as she pisses.
Masturbate brightly, rub a Dym Bulb.
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Ask me if I am suprised at the filth coming out of the likes of these ppl here that troll into our land and expect respect for their filth! Oh, please, give me a break, will you!

Now on the rape rooms, with the group of powerful in the government under the ospice of the government of the dubya we have, what else do you expect? Dubya does not care about ppl in general, as long as he gets his way with things and ppl. Why the hell do you think he had to sneak around to do the shit he does. He has to sneak, for rear of his life..oh, for Gods sake, give me another break, y’all. I am shaking in my boots right now for the likes of this man…NOT!!!!! He has always been a weenie and a small one at that. The little chicken shit that he is.

For the republicans here to say their peice, stuffit! where the sun don’t shine, will ya and do not come back for more..

Ooh, Brenda, yew ah a Suthin peice a wuk.
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Hi Kim, you are a stupid bitch. Why don’t you and your kind go back to Free Republic where you belong?

I suppose it is a sign of the effect you’re having that they have sent the brownshirts over to try to trash your blog.

BTW, dipshit (aka Brian) is pretty well known in the blogosphere as a wingnut troll. I suggest you delete and ban him like most everyone else has.

‘Will George and Rummy wind up at the Hague some day and be asked to answer for Saddam style rape rooms?’

Dear God, I hope so. Don’t forget the whole PNAC group, and the WHIG’s as well. This whole debacle is squarely on their shoulders. While were at it let’s send all the kool aid sipping trolls here with them too. I think hell for eternity is probably would be fine for most of them, but I will leave the punishment in His hands. If we know anything about God, we know that He hates evil. And He will respond. I look for it soon.

I just wish that someone someday would get on “Hannity & Colmes” and say to Hannity: “Yes, George Bush is a liar, and a murderer and the worst commiter of ‘crimes against humanity!’” I wish Lou Dobbs would call Bill O’Reilly on the Radio Factor, and “have a little chat” with him, along with Paul Hackett and Paul Reickoff calling Hannity’s show and set them both straight how things are in Iraq. Better yet, get Raed Jarrar and his whole family over. All the righties have to do is read both Raed’s and his mother’s blogs!

PrchrLady, I so agree with you on that one! I only hope they can find some sort of peace in their ugly murderous hearts that will sustain them for the rest of their natural lives. I only hope that God gives them what is due them, no matter what kind of deathbed confession or redemption they ask for. It is not for us to judge them on that one; however, I do think their final hour with Him will be all telling. I will pray for their souls always…

George, have you ever read riverbend? She blogs very well too.

“Oh, Wae tae a’ the W.H.I.G.’s o’ Fyfe, the brosy tykes, the lousy tykes!
Wae tae a’ the W.H.I.G’.s o’ Fyfe,
that a’ they cam frae hell!”

Contemporary wordplay on an “auld” Scots tune.

Yes, I read riverbend too!

What’s up with the plagiarism going on here! Some of you drunken sailors sound like a bastardized version of Rudyard Kipling in his “The Seven Seas”. Please take it elsewhere so the remainder of us sober unfortunates might return to the pertinent topic at hand which is that of coherently discussing our decaying, American Republic.

Thank you now RIP!

The GOP supports granting amnesty to terrorists who kill American troops; the empathic White House press secretary Tony Snow says 2,500 dead troops are just a number; and when Iraqis aren’t worrying about the lack of electricity and clean water, death squads, disappearing at the hands of Iraq’s puppet government, car bombs, depleted uranium, napalm, malnutrition, lack of medical care, joblessness, torture, assassinations, rape rooms, etc., they’re celebrating the “good news.” Bush really is doing a heckuva job spreading freedom and democracy.

The Democrats released their platform today over at Think Progress. They’re going to focus on safe, domestic issues…again! Hello!? What is the matter with them? $#@*I( &*(*&!@ and *()$*(# if they *(#)(*#@()_ don’t (*(!@ get a *(#*$(! spine @*(& ASAP.

Northern Alliance had Iranian sympathy as well, and Afghanistan seens to have split with the Mujahadheen-loyal Pakistan bleedover to the south.

Middle ground is where Kabul’s mayor, errr the Afhhan PM rules.

Almost to the city limits!

As for rape rooms and torture, there was a window of time long enough for AWOL to have visited Abu Ghraib/Gharib on his turkey dad trip.

Look at the time, ordinance,logistics, there was enough time to make that trip. One has the feeling he carried his bravado forward with Rummy and Cheney’s blessing, and left a few archived statements and appearances that are enough to hedge his ever turning on the real bosses.

just sayin’

Already there’s enough on the record to call for an end to this immoral war and the policies in place that undermine the honest efforts of uniform service there.

“Perhaps someone can ask Rove if he’s officially cleared, and can ask questions of known items that he no longer has clearance to even acknowledge, accept, or deny.”

As I said earlier, it appears he did not discuss any of this during fundraising. One would think if America’s Security was a priority and Rove did no criminal activity, he’d have the clearance recently stripped of him to speak about such items.

Trolls are very quiet about that.

You’re imputing a lot of meaning into an absence of specific discourse. I’d be very quiet about that whole cloth you’re making stuff up out of.
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“One would think if…”

One were not a deranged lunatic. Pity about that, old chap.

May I assumed Rove caused your condition?

“Will George and Rummy wind up at the Hague some day and be asked to answer for Saddam style rape rooms”

That would certainly pale in comparison to the supreme crime of Nuremberg.

It would be fitting if those who, after 911, unilaterally decreed international law quaint and obsolete, go the way of Field Marshal Keitel. With Pinochet in mind — once out of office, Bush, Rummy, Gonzales and the whole bunch are well advised consulting a lawyer in case they consider leaving the US for a trip.

Justice Jackson’s comment on the German leaders on trial at Nuremberg speaks to contemporary American leaders as well:

“The ultimate step in avoiding periodic wars, which are inevitable in a system of international lawlessness, is to make statesmen responsible to law. And let me make clear that while this law is first applied against German aggressors, the law includes, and if it is to serve a useful purpose it must condemn aggression by any other nations, including those which sit here now in judgment. We are able to do away with domestic tyranny and violence and aggression by those in power against the rights of their own people only when we make all men answerable to the law. This trial represents mankind’s desperate effort to apply the discipline of the law to statesmen who have used their powers of state to attack the foundations of the world’s peace and to commit aggressions against the rights of their neighbors.”
In his closing statement for the American prosecution, July 26, 1946, Justice Jackson hammered again at the relationship between the criminals at the bottom and the criminals at the top:
“The gist of the offense is participation in the formulation or execution of the plan. These are rules which every society has found necessary in order to reach men, like these defendants, who never get blood on their own hands but who lay plans that result in the shedding of blood. All over Germany today, in every zone of occupation, little men who carried out these criminal policies under orders are being convicted and punished. It would present a vast and unforgivable caricature of justice if the men who planned these policies and directed these little men should escape all penalty.”

The man was right.

Rape Rooms?
Was that where Juanita Broderick met Bill Clinton?

Larry, how are those 22 indictments of Bush admin officals, including Cheney, coming along? We are still waiting for you to be correct about ONE SINGLE THING. Better check with Leopold…ha, ha!

Rape rooms and systemic terror, run by our clients the government of the free, democratic and sovereign Iraqi people? How’s Hannity gonna be able to spin this one? Best guess: he’ll just ignore it.

“Care to comment Mr. Johnson…”

I don’t know about Mr. Johnson, Rich, but I will.

anything written by Con Coughlin (he lives up to his first name well) is to be treated as suspect. It wouldn’t be the first time this sort of lying has been done by him.

“Rape Rooms?
Was that where Juanita Broderick met Bill Clinton?

Larry, how are those 22 indictments of Bush admin officals, including Cheney, coming along? We are still waiting for you to be correct about ONE SINGLE THING. Better check with Leopold…ha, ha!

Posted by: bob49 | Saturday, 17 June 2006 at 09:33″

When all else fails blame the Clenis!! Newsflash, Clinton has been out of office for 5+ years. Everything that happens now is aWol’s fault. But noooo, the wingnuts belong to the Dear Leader Cult of Personality which means that a leader taking responsibility for his actions only applies to Democrats.

And finky, in true liberal fashion, moves the goalposts. Address the snark and not the big boo-boo: Larry’s (lack of) credibility.

Our dear Larry, who predicted 22 indictments of top Bush officials in November, has been shown repeatedly to be talking out his ass! He has ZERO credibility.

I particularly enjoyed his article in the NYTimes in July of 2001 about how we musn’t fear terrorism! But of course, leftist apologists here will never explain these lies…er, mistakes…misstatements.

It explains why the left has lost every branch of government. The right continues to fuck up, but you lefties aren’t even sane. I anticipate a massive death toll when you lunatics lose yet another election this fall. Will it be self-immolation or will your deranged little craniums just explode with frustration?

Ryan,

Speeking of cons, consider this:

Why would a hot shot ex-CIA guy be spending his time posting on a foolish blog like this?

Why would any CEO of a company hire Berg and Assoc. to protect their data and trademarks when Larry has clearly co-opted the name Hardball on this blog?

What CEO in his right mind would allow a media hound, partisan loose cannon like Larry Johnson access to the companies data?

Do you really think Berg has any clients other than Soros?

Think Man !!!

Does anyone know of a blog I can visit to hear rational and thoughtful debate? I have yet to find one that isn’t full of hate and namecalling. I don’t know what scares me more, the state of this country or the way we treat each other.

Mary,

Since so much of this debate is centered around the war in Iraq, maybe you should go to a website called AnySoldier.com and sopend some time reading the postings from the troops in Iraq. The troops don’t have a horse in this race, yet they are carrying the load.

When I was sick of the debate I found that finding out how the soldiers actually feel was helpfull.

By the way, take some time and write one of them a letter or spend $30 and send them some candy. You won’t regret it !!

Oh, I luv it. Sock a my Mary inna wizdom of Solomon.

The war is over, the Iraqis won.
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Rich,

I’d have to say that Mr. Johnson has excellent qualifications for the line of work he does.

As for running this blog I’d say he is angry at the missinformation that has been put out about this war. You might ask him, but that is the impression I get. Come to think of it, why are you spending your time posting on this blog if is is a “waste of time”?

“What CEO in his right mind would allow a media hound, partisan loose cannon like Larry Johnson access to the companies data?”

Could I say the same thing about Steve Emerson and others who are a regular feature on Fox News and neocon talk radio? I guess this depends on your point of view of a person’s motives. I believe that his are higher than some of the folks on the other side. You know, like Kenneth Timmerman.

Incidently, I see I made a mistake with that article you posted from the “Telegraph”. I thought this was a new article of the same recycled nonsense that has been put out before. Stephen Hayes is notorious for this. I see now that it is dated 14/12/2003. This is an old story that didn’t pan out.

Ryan,

Steven Emerson warned us for years that Al Queda was in our country during the same time that Larry Johnson was telling the world we had nothing to fear from Al Queda.

When Steve Emerson is on CNN, he is there because they consider him an expert on the threat. Larry Johnson is called on to give political cover.

And Steven Hayes is not notorious for anything.

So please if you will, back up your words with substance.

Moqtada al Sadr’s Badr militia are the big boys on the block with the muscle and means to enforce their will.

Minor clarification: The Badr militia is not loyal to Sadr, it is loyal to SCIRI (Maliki’s party). Sadr’s militia is the Mahdi army.

Further, if you read the whole article rather than merely choosing that which supports your bias, you would have to also note the following.

“We cannot control the prisons. It’s as simple as that,” said the deputy minister, Pusho Ibrahim Ali Daza Yei, an ethnic Kurd. “Our jails are infiltrated by the militias from top to bottom, from Basra to Baghdad.”

As a result of this, and acknowledging the problem, Yei “asked U.S. authorities to suspend plans to transfer prisons and detainees from American to Iraqi control. “Our ministry is unprepared at this time to take over the facilities, especially those in areas where Shiite militias exist,” he said in a letter to U.S. Army Maj. Gen. John D. Gardner, the official in charge of American detention facilities.”

In addition Gen. John D. Gardner, “We will not transfer the facilities and legal custody of the detainees until each respective facility and the Iraqi Corrections system have demonstrated the ability to maintain the required standards, especially in the areas of care and custody.”

Despite broad U.S. efforts to encourage the Iraqi government to improve conditions in prisons, the problem of militia control could prove particularly intractable. Shiite militias such as the Badr Organization and the Mahdi Army, loyal to cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, are backed by dozens of members of parliament whose political parties run the armed groups.

“You can’t even talk to the militias, because they are the government,” Yei said. “They have ministers on their side.”

So yes, there are a lot of problems in Iraq that remain to be addressed. But the headline with which you begin your post is misleading and indeed incorrect. While I do not like the manner in which Bush has handled the war, nor its aftermath, I’d rather have people like you, who have some measure of credibility spend time, not engaging in politicking or throwing mud at the other side, but coming up with solutions that focus on addressing the problems at hand. Just saying American is bad, the war is bad let’s bring the troops is not enough. First, it fails to provide a realistic alternative to the administration, and second it panders to the fringe of the democratic party at a time when we need to move to the center.

Additionally, as the article itself points out, Iraqis and the US are trying to address the abuse in Iraqi prisons under the Defense and Interior ministries and trying to find a way to give control to the Justice ministry. That shows that they understand the problem and are trying to address it. Other than mudslinging, what do you propose to address this and ensure that we improve our situation on the ground in Iraq, and strategically in the region?

FROM LARRY JOHNSON:
My God, you are a tedious, cretinous, banjo playing lot. You want Pat Lang and I to fix a mess that you and your neocon ilk have created? I warned Jerry Bremer in January 2003 that Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11 and did not pose a terrorist threat to us. That advice was ignored.
Pat and I called for more troops to secure Iraq. That was ignored. We called for more troops to take control of the weapons depots. That was ignored. We warned of the insurgency early on and that was ignored. Sorry bozo, we’ve offered plenty of sound advice. It has been ignored. You guys have made this bed, and a hell of a mess it is. Sleep in it.

nykrindc…

I..for one…Appreciate your comments…information..right to an opinion..and take on things..

and Debate..

my Response to your question..would be that Presidnet Bush create a Panel of all..Generals..Officers..military Experts…Former CIA and Government employees..Diplomats…Former Government and current and former Think tank People..

Who DO NOT agree with Past Administration policys..or how the war in Iraq was Handeled..or Is Being Handled..

Or the War on terrorism is being fought..

Or On The Mismanagement of Homeland Secuirty..and put Plans and Policys together on how they Believe Constructive policy changes could and should be made in thier opinion ..

and WHY..

Then For the Good of the Nation..President bush should FIRE Don Rumsfeld and some of his Staff..and put the Most effecient Defense department Team together he can..

Up to and Including being Staffed by members of the above metioned advisory Panel..

Alot of good people know what went wrong…what is still going wrong..

and..want to help Fix It..

its about time President Bush admitted Accountability and showed GOOD Intent..

for the GOOD of the Nation..

He Represents..

Patrick Henry,

I understand the fact that Bush has failed to heed the advice of those who have pointed out the administration’s failures and likely better understand the issues at hand, however, the point I was trying to make was that rather than delve on the issues it is about time for those knowledgeable to provide a third way. The extreme fringe in the democratic party that calls for the “let’s pull out now” without looking at the likely consequences of such a pull-out are the only voice we moderates here, apart from the president’s “stay the course” and keep on failing. I think Larry and Col. Lang could be constructive voices in that debate, and in coming up with a better way. The administration did not heed advice when it should have, but there’s still is another party that stands to gain enough power to check the president this November. However, they will not win with the aforementioned position of “withdrawal” just to get out position. We need an alternative, one which both moderates from both sides of the aisle can adopt. Hence, while the President and his cabinet refuse to heed the advice of the advisory panel, democrats and independents should heed it and come up with a realistic plan for ameliorizing the likely effects of an eventual withdrawal of the US from Iraq. By that I do not mean withdrawal now, or a timeline, but rather a strategy to allow us to leave in a stronger position than would otherwise be the case, and leave the Iraqi government in good shape to ensure that they at least have a chance to succeed and take advantage of the chance that they have gotten with the fall of Hussein.

What part of GTFO don’t you understand?

The level of dialogue on the left has now reached the level of whale shit. Oh well.
Kim and PrchrLady you are XXXXXX (A REALLY AWFUL PERSONAL INSULT)

FROM LARRY JOHNSON:
THIS CRETIN, ERNIE THE DICKLESS WONDER, THINKS HE CAN COME ON MY SITE AND INSULT LADIES. THE FUCKING COWARD HAS NOW BEEN BANNED AND THIS IS A WARNING TO ANY OTHER CHICKENHAWK TROLL THAT WANTS TO POST ON THIS SITE. I COULD CARE LESS WHAT ANY OF YOU SAY OR THINK ABOUT ME. I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU, HOWEVER, TO ATTACK WOMEN WHO WRITE ON THIS BLOG. I KNOW THAT IS THE KIND OF CHICKENSHIT THING THAT YOU RIGHTWING WHACKOS GET OFF ON, BUT IT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED HERE. SO KISS MY ASS.

Heres the deal folks,, its not one politicians, or countries fault with what happened,, its all of them thats involved.
First,, Bush’s involvement in oil, second, his families friends in the Enirates, third, his vendetta against Husein for trying to kill his “daddy.
My father was in Viet Nam,, and the north Vietnamese tried to kill my father, so ,, as an American, should i declare war on North Vietnam? Im just wondering about that,, its never been too clear.
Bush made a comment that his first act was to go after Husien,, that was while he was campaining for president the first time.
We all knew what he was going to do, and none of us were able to catch it in time.
As for his tyranic actions,, well, what do you expect from somene with a room temperature I.Q.?( go to http://www.Dubyaspeak.com)
So far in this administration, weve seen a senseless, imoral war,, the grounds being revenge , terrorst attacks that have been all but ignored in favor of a willfull act of revenge, rising oil prices( exact quote from Bushh” I wont do anything about the oil prices, America is based on free enterprise and thats the way its going to be).
See,, what else is there in this basket of goodies? Um,, Bush willfully and maliciously doing things secretly, taking away our rights, prolonging a war that he inteneded to keep going so he can stay in the white house longer than his legal two terms, and his choice of cronies to keep this meatgrinder going.
Of course he doesnt care about people and whats going on here or abroad to Americans,, hes a spitefull, hat filled little man,, you dont believe me? Look at his track record all his life.
Do we also mention that Bin Ladin is family to his best friends?
Bandar Bin Ladin is also known in some circles as Bandar Bush.
Of course he isnt going to go after family ,,
Lets get down to the meat of the problem,, Bush is a lunatic with a low I.Q.,, and his cronies( Good old Rummy himself) are nothing more than criminals.
Seems that they tend to show you the left hand while the right hand is doing something horible.
They remind me of despotic Penn and Teller clones.