Indiana & N.C. Results Thread

It’s going to be an interesting night.

I hope so. I shouldn’t have looked at the headlines at Memeorandum.com and Drudge.

If it’s true, I’m going to need a wall to bang my head against.

If all I’m capable of is looking at my arm, seeing the color of my skin, and voting accordingly, I am not worth much. Imho.

It’s the African American vote, though, no more.

Remember in 1980,when John Anderson ran as an independent, or even Ross Perot?

That’s what the AA vote has become to Obama, nothing more, NOT decisive.

And you’re right, it is too bad, but it is marginal, IMO, he’s going nowhere.

I think she will take both IN. and NC……That’s just how I see it….Goin to Mass to light a candle for Clinton…..

To add, should Clinton get the nomination, I’d rather reach into the republican base, hoping they, too, could start voting their own self interests, as opposed to a tired, empty ideology, that has betrayed them, also.

It’s not only the AA voter, it’s the knee jerk republican voter, too.

I just understand some people. In one breath they say that The Clinton’s used “Race Baiting”. we all know that thats bull poop. but what is there to be said when Africans refuse to vote for a someone because they are not “Black” Enough? I’m no racist but I can assure you that the MSM would have been having a coniption, ( hope I spelled that right ).

Very powerful and poetic Susan!

Delurking once again (I seem to be making a habit of this lately…not to worry, after this horrendous primary is over, I will retreat into the ether)
Susan, you, more than anyone, has revitalized my interest and involvement in political action, and I’m not even american. Don’t bang your head. You have done everthing that could be done and I’ve no doubt you will continue to fight. Well done, you are an inspiration, even to a 60 year old in another land. Keep on trucking! (as we used to say)
In more vernacular terms of today “You done good girl”

oops! I meant to say….” I dont understand some people”…. and “African Americans” sorry about that.

Don’t go back into lurking, participate, please…

My prediction for tonight:

Hillary by 11 points in Indiana.

Obama by 3 points in North Carolina.

Hillary wins the (Obama’s words) “tiebreaker” then we go for the checkmate and put this puppy to bed at last.

Click my name/handle for info on the checkmate reference.

The MSM and the trolls will spin a different tail. Ignore them. Keep your spirits and morale high, we got Obama and his evil minions on the ropes, and Hillary will deliver the knock-out punch with our help.

Nope she’s gonna lose NC (sadly)
They are saying BO got 90 percent of the black vote in the early exit polls

I just hope she doesn’t lose by more than 10 pts. My daughter just left with 3 friends 2 just voted for BO (white 20 something women), the other isn’t bothering (also white), MY daughter for Hillary (and she’s half Asian half Euromutt) Me being the mutt. LOL :-/

grrrrrrrrrrr

Please keep religion out of politics. Please keep superstition out of personal philosophy.

Hey…That reminds me of the OJ Jury..A Brother is a Brother…Justice be damned…Some People think Justice is dragging some Poor White truck driver out and bouncing bricks off his Head..and looking for any Excuse to Burn and Loot..But..Hey..that reality is too sensitive to talk about..Now its the Relity of reverend Sharpton, Pastor Wright and Minister Farrakahn that Counts…which is setting the Civil Rights Movement back 50 Years…

Guess they forgot about the Part that says..”Blessed are the peacemakers..”..but then its Not the Gospel of Mark they follow is it…More like the Gospel of Marx…and Revolutionary Theology…not Religious Theology..

Hack…Patooee…

And this is Only the Election for President of the United States at its most Critical Time in History..

One a CAPITAL CRIME…The Other a CAPITOL CRIME..

You can’t say We here at NQ didn’t try ..

God help us All..

The race-baiting plus fear-mongering has come from Obama. He has been blaming Hillary for what he is doing himself. In the next release of Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary under the word “asshole” will be the defination: “Obama.”

Ironically, Obama has used fear of riots if he is not nominated and we’ve wised up to this horrific tactic: Now, America fears Obama.

Actually, Fox News reporting that Clinton is winning the crossover Republicans at 52%.

You can bet your bottom dollar that’s Republican WOMEN voting on her behalf.

Same thing happened in Pennsylvania.

Aw I got here late and you guys got all the good seats!

Uppity…I’m Gonna slide over or Stand up for You Girl…Have a Front Row Seat..If any BumerBats run up…You trip em on your side and trip them on Mine…

Go Hillary…!!!!

She has every right to express her feelings and beliefs as she sees fit, and she has every right to say so here.

After tonight, he is running out of African Americans to vote for him.

well good friends, i am going to be kind to me tonight. i can’t handle this well after 2000. i am sure ya’ll know what i mean. i know in my heart i’ll probably think no, no i won’t all the while my hands are typing on my laptop.

anyway hold down the fort while i watch some nothing movie. i’ll be back for the champaign.

THANK YOU!

It’s ALL Hillary. I haven’t been so motivated in a very long time for a candidate.

Usually, the MORE i get to know a candidate, the less enamored I am with them. With Hillary, it’s just the opposite…. the more I learn about her qualities, her brains, her knowledge, her grit, her energy, her never give up gusto, the more I SUPPORT HER. It’s amazing.

My prediction

Hillary wins Indiana by 10

loses NC by 10

my dream

Hillary wins Indiana by 20

and NC by 5 pts

You’ll see plenty of religion in the General if Barky is the candidate. Most of it will sound very much like “God damn America.”

We know that we cannot – EVER — count on the far left. And it is folly to ever align with them. If by some miracle, Obama were to become president, the far left would turn on him in a heartbeat because he could NEVER live up to their impossible demands.

The far left is as bad as the far right. And they poison politics.

Current Numbers Indiana:
Clinton 70,225 58%
Obama 51,456 42%

Ignore the propaganda for sure. What time do the polls close? I won’t turn on Fox News until then. MSNBC (Make Sure No Body Clueful) I won’t watch as they will instantly start talking about how Hillary can’t get the nomination blah blah blah.

We know the truth, Hillary has to lobby the SD’s and we can help her convince them they have to stand up to Obama and his thugs. Our nation as we know it is in peril if we don’t stop Obama now, not later.

Click my name/handle for some ideas.

Hillary is going to pull this off, but we can’t be afraid to go tooth and nail by all legal means available to help her. Fuck fear, its being used by Obama and we’ve added in our own fears and I think its holding us back from victory.

“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself…”
—FDR

I hope, it’s not only the AA’s who are voting against their self interests, it’s the republicans, too.

When I hear of them crossing over to vote for that insipid piece of crap, I have to wonder how they think they’re helping.

Don’t they too see the problems this country faces?

If they think McCain is legitimatley more qualified, Ok, that’s their choice (as long as he isn’t a blatant traitor, to me, Obama is, dealing with the group he does) but to just vote for him simply because he is Republican, without examining his qualifications, given what the country faces, is just as insipid as the AA’s voting for Obama because he’s half black.

Spike Lee, meet Rush Limbaugh, or Spike Lee IS Rush Limbaugh…

Thanks Patrick!

Now, America fears Obama.

No, it doesn’t, America is laughing at Obama.

But if needs to see himself as dangerous, well, more power to him, he’s self deluded, though, and that can bite…

The far left IS the far right, just the flip side of the whackjob coin. They can’t make it in their own party. God knows they tried. So every decade or so, they try to hijack ours. And then we show them who their daddy is in November.

C-SPAN with 9% reporting in Indiana:

58% Hillary
42% Numbnuts

JOHN KERRY SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.
He is hate mongering to Olbermann that the only reason HRC is winning in IN is because Limbaugh told Republicans to run vote for her.
His voice was so full of bitterness and outrage, I switched channels.

This is just what the democratic party does not need. Olbermann and Daily Kos have been ripping the democratic party in half.

A U.S. senator who uses our primary to settle his own personal vendetta (angry at Clinton for not bailing him out for his moronic comment about our troops last year, blaming John Edwards for “costing him the presidency”)
This man is not a senator. He is as loony as Jeramiah Wright.

Yipee!!!!!!!

Hey…That reminds me of the OJ Jury..A Brother is a Brother…Justice be damned

But you know, Patrick, it occurred to me the Republican voters are just as bad, those who follow Karl Rove, anyway.

And it goes really far in terms of understanding how to deal with them, and Rove’s tactics.

The Republicans were hampered because they were hijacked by the Far Right. See what happens when you let Off-the-cliff people hijack? Extremism is the path to destruction. That goes for BOTH sides.

LOL! We need to say “who’s your Daddy” in this Primary. Any way, they are ineffectual – if the AAs wouldn’t be such a monolithic block – Hillary would have won a long time ago.

No one listens to Kerry, I wouldn’t even waste my time.

He creates a lot of noise, a useful idiot for someone, not Obama, though.

The Obamazoids are in their online meeting. lol.

Horseface is a loser and a pussy. He showed us his stuff already. It’s no stuff at all.

Fox has got 16% in
Clinton 57
Obama 43

Oh and turn off MSNBC, they just want to keep our morale down.

Anybody seen NC? I can’t find it. (Yes I know it’s on the east coast haha.)

NBC just called N.C. for Obama.

What the fuckis up with CNN they called SC for Obama but I don’t see any numbers…but they won’t call Indianna for her and she’s stomping him at about 60/40. WTF?????

Sounds to me like Kerry is a bit round the bend.

It’s CNN, Strawberry.

UNBELIEVABLE..just unbelievable..they call NC at exactly 730 pm according to the clock on my computer with no numbers called ..totally on the exit polling..wtf is going on..the numbers all day were called at approx 5% Obama..so they call NC for Obama with no numbers showing..hey does NC still have Diebold????????????

i bet…

what a freaking joke!

fly

Something is fishy, folks.

Fox called it for him too in NC

Indiana has different time zones and polls close at different times.

I heard the news say they agreed not to call IN until all polls closed ??

which should be now

WHY are you watching that channel?! It is verboten!

CBS, Katie von Kouric just called N.C. for Obama.

You’re seeing it too? I swear, WTF? No numbers put up yet for SC but yet they’re are calling it for him?

Pfffffssssssssssst!!!!

No. Sorry.

Every time you call him that I burst out laughing. I haven’t heard the term Numbnuts in a long time. Oh shit and shinola, CNN just called NC for Numbnuts.

Gospel of Marx

Bingo.

CBS carry a Politico story. Basically it’s all uphill now.

Click here.

it’s really sickening. they can’t call PA for over 30 mins and its’ a 10% margin win.

Oh and turn off MSNBC, they just want to keep our morale down.

Well, that, but who really wants to hear a room full of middle aged men fart?

Oh, that’s supposed to be commentary…

SusanUnPc! You stole my bong that I stole from you! Thief!

Hey, Patrick HENRY:

Have you thought ahead to the general, if he is the nominee? Dare I ask what you plan to do?

I’ve been thinking about it a lot, and I’m shocking myself with what I am thinking.

Porter County in Indiana polls open to 8pm?

Susan-
Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication!

A few questions…
Why haven’t they called Indiana? Hillary has had a substantial lead. North Carolina is CALLED for Little Lord Obama and there are NO #’s reported? Grrrrrrrr…

Also, WTF does THIS mean?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/us/politics/04indiana.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

Are you kidding me? A school district is BUSSING kids to polling places for early voting? Unfrickingbelievable.

I think you are thinking what I have already decided. I won’t stop.

Craig Crawford is on Cspan 2 (he’s a HILL supporter)

early numbers for NC have Hillary ahead but it’s with not even 1 percent

She also stole your email address

No surprise. Gee, guess why?

They’re still showing 0% counted in NC and both Fox and CBS call NC. Something’s not right.

You can bet if Clinton clobbers him in Indiana, the spin will be “it’s not good enough”…while, his victory in NC won’t be called “not good enough” if he loses Indiana big….

I’m sick of it all…

Sorry. Forgot to post part of the NY Times article:

Four hours north in Gary, a predominantly black city of 100,000, a vastly different debate has been simmering in the days before the primary on Tuesday: a Clinton supporter has questioned the school system’s decision to bus high school seniors to the county courthouse for early voting, field trips that some said looked like a way to try to produce higher numbers for Mr. Obama.

WTF?

Wouldn’t it be strange if the the exit poll AA’s lied about voting for BO. Some of them? When asked in person they said “I voted for Obama” but didn’t.

Think Rove, and the typical Republican voter, the typical republican election.

Just like the AA voter, Obama, and the media.

Rove Republicans, like the AA voter, have to learn to vote competency and issues, instead of political ads…

ok forget I said that

the numbers just jumped big

From Fox:

It’s unclear how wide Obama’s victory in North Carolina will be.

There’s no explanation how to work their ‘magical maths’.

Right, some of Indiana is central, and other parts Easern time, right?

That’s cool, WCA – thanks! I go to a site – http://www.gratefulness.org – for the same purpose.

Fascinating watching the way they think, though, this is actually helpful, should Clinton win the democratic nomination.

Unreal.

He cheats by electioneering. I saw it here and I have proof from NYT on Wyoming too. I’ve never seen this in my life. Calif has honest elections.

How about “Who’s your Mommy?”

NC (on C-span 2) shows Clinton 49- Obama 46…

Interesting how Huff Ho and all MSM called NC for Little Lord Obama IMMEDIATELY.

Also interesting how C-span 2 has the SAME #’s that CNN has for Indiana… Clinton 57- Obama 43.

Hmmmm…

Edit to add: NOW they claim Obama 66- Clinton 32 with ZERO percent reporting in NC. What the hell is going on here?

I’ll tell you something totally bizarre about CNN’s exit poll of NC, they factor in Republicans, if you are a republican you may NOT vote a democratic ticket. You have to be either unaffiliated or democratic registered, it is the ONLY way you can vote dem. So why do they have republicans in their exit poll? Beats the hell out of me…. They must have got confused, so stupppiiddddd MSM…

That SOB hasn’t been up 25 points in NC in a month. A proven liar, they want us to believe that he has MIRACULOUSLY rebounded? Bullshit.

Could be that they are allowing some polling places to stay open late.

Bovis Stercus ! = Bull Shit in latin….or Bull Poop if you prefer….

I actually made a decision a few days ago. I am still a little freaked out by it.

Susan, I’ll get you another Bong if you post our Seat our voters protest in front of the DNC tomorrow.

They’ve got him up 30 pts ahead!!!!

I can barely believe it either!

if the AAs wouldn’t be such a monolithic block –

In reality, they aren’t, women are, and the democratic “elite” are missing the point, again.

The greater trends are Hillary winning the big states, the arguments Larry and others here have made, and the Democrats should be supporting her, if they were serious about winning.

Why they’re focusing on this small contingent of AA voters is beyond me, but the decision making of Dean no longer surprises me, he’s no better than Michael Brown, when it comes to efficacy, and recognizing the pertinent factors that will decide this election.

Dean can’t win an election, and Cheney can’t win a war, and they’re both the same, really.

One plus one equal two is a conundrum for some, I guess.

Indiana is still holding at 57 to 43 with 34% of the vote in.

Look at John Lewis, the pressure he was under to switch to Obama. He was shaken – said it was more pressure than he’d faced in Civil Rights movement.

Very possible. Especially with electioneering going on, so many violated the 50 foot rule.

A friend just wrote this in an e-mail:

It won’t help Barack in the fall when very many of the swing states have very low numbers of AAs whose votes will not make up for his loss to McCain among white voters. So if AAs vote 90 plus for Democratic candidates no matter what and we still don’t win states like NC and SC, why is this going to help him so extraordinarily now? It’s asinine.

They’re living in a FANTASY world. Obama hasn’t got a prayer against McCain. Good god.

Marion county is the county with predominantly black voters? Thats where that video of the Obamazoids violating the polling place was made.

Proof from NYT? Do tell. On Wyoming? Another CAUCUS state?

Using publically funded school buses during school hours is not the same as getting rides for seniors. The school system said it was a field trip – right.

ok, what is going on? All the tv channels are calling NC for Obama but it says 0 precincts reporting? So that’s the early votes? How can they be calling the state? Why aren’t they showing numbers like in Indiana??

Not Fantasy. Fear.

How can they do that…..the Fat Lady Has Not Sung….

Great point, Uppity. Instant perspective. I love your posts.

now they say IN is “too early to call” with 30% reporting, which seems ok, but with less than 10% of NC reporting they are calling it for Obama? Does anyone know where they show the numbers as they come in for NC?

I dont think he will get the nomination, am I missing something here?

I mean, I can’t call it yet, why do so many assume he will, when his win in NC is due to factors not indicative of overall general trends?

She’s gonna double digit him in Indiana.

Groucho or Harpo ?….chuckle….

Heck I can call NC for him without even seeing a return. 1/3 black voters.

It’s just like Rove, why does it surprise you, I would have been surprised if it had been anything different.

And I don’t count it as legitimate, and wouldn’t make decisions based on dubious, spurious results.

I do Not Hear A Fat Lady SInging Yet…..Course I’m down in Texas wthout cable…..This Po’ Cracker relies on you kind folks for info…chuckle…

Tom Brokaw and Herr Obermann..and “Tingle” and “Tweety.. are all worried about how disenfranchised African Americans are going to feel if Senator Obama doesn’t get the Nomination now that
African Americans…(Black People) finally have thier chance for the White House..
Like that is the MOST Historic Aspect of this Election..I would not have any problem supporting an African American candidate..if thier Friends were not Known Terrorists..Radicals.. revolutionarys..and Marxists…and they lied to Cover it all Up..

What Total Sexist Contempt some in the Media show for, Hillary and Her Supporters..Those Supporters

who know Hillary is Best qualifed for the White House and Being President…No Matter what Race She is or What Party she belongs too…

Yes..Susan..When Our generation said “Far Out”..I wonder if they knew just How “Far Out” American Politics would go..

Now its Squirrels and “NeoNuts” every where..

Liberal Liberation….??…..

“No.. No… No..God damn the USKKK of A..”

Barack grew up Digesting “Black Liberation”..and that is what alot of those voting for him Expect..

Not The Rational Response Hillary has to offer.. Oh No, She’s a “Gasp” Woman…and a White One at That…

Nobody doing exit polling at either my mother’s or my polling place. I have a feeling that they are totally calling it on the early voting. The numbers are up on CNN with 0 % reporting for my county meck, but BO has a 10,000 vote lead, that is early votes, not today’s votes at all. I only know one person who early voted personally so we will see…

I’m watching this link. From CNN elections. It has a county map

I think there may be an upset in NC….My crossed fingers are bout numb.

What, it’s something like only 50 percent of eligible Americans vote. How sad is that?

Just got home from work and came here to check the news.
As to them calling NC- my husband has been going crazy every primary date because they call states for the precious before half the precints are in but wait until 90% are in before calling a state for Hilary.

In the current political climate with Meeeeechelle glarin down from on high…..I’d lie…..

The republican rank and file, oh, hell even the “generals” of the party, buy into the same level of PR the AA’s do, what was that old saw about Hollywood stars believing their own publicity?

They really think the lies they spew are true.

Hey Kerry-

Doesn’t seem to bother you when the Repubs vote for Obama, does it? Fucking piece of shit.

The only person who cost Kerry the presidency was John Kerry. Fucking coward ran to Europe instead of honoring his promise to the Democratic voters (of which he collected a shitload of cash) to count EVERY VOTE. He sickens me. Hell, he bailed on us before all of the totals were even reported. Asshole.

He never fought the Swiftboaters, either. Guess winning the presidency didn’t matter then. NOW? Oh my. Kerry is a fucking traitor to his constituency. Kennedy isn’t much better. I hope Mass. voters vote BOTH their skanky asses OUT. Who needs enemies when you’ve got friends like these?

Funny how Kennedy was behind 1000 delegates and he still took his bullshit to the floor of the convention. My. My. How times have changed. He sure seems be be singing a different tune re: delegates.

Do they really think we are that stupid?

very fair and unbiased

Marion county is where Indianapolis is. And yes, there is a large black concentration there.

No I think she’s sayin the SCHOOL DISTRICT bused them, not Obama.

Something else screwed up about CNN’s, if you look at their election map, they have Beaufort county in their twice, also their results and Wake county in their twice also??? WTF is their problem….!!!

Women and seniors are a HUGE block.

Hello asshole. NC will go Repub in Novemebr. Take that one to the bank.

Speaking of “big states”…how’s TEXAS working for you? Guess since the authorities were called in because of ILLEGALLY LOCKING OUT valid caucus goers…mums the word, eh?

Tune in.

Marion County does not have predominantly AA voters….It’s just that Indianapolis and Gary have the highest concentrated AA population in the state….When I lived in Indiana it looked a lot like Ohio demographically speaking….

Agree….She will cream him in the Cream corn state…..Teeheehee…..

HT -

may I ask where you are from. I’m from Germany myself originally.

Look at this:

Indiana Counties

And look at ALL of the counties Hillary is winning.

No kidding. And they PROJECT that Hillary is the candidate that uses “Rovian” tactics.

It’s all about PROJECTION. Hell, haven’t we lived through 7+ years of stinking projection? I can’t believe these rat bastards are continuing to get away with this crap.

Yeah, I wonder why Howard Dean doesn’t see them?

Because they contradict him, and he can’t have that?

I think Hillary double digits Indiana and Obama double digits NC.

From CNN’s website:

linton was hoping for a big result in Indiana, where she was expected to win, and an upset victory in North Carolina — which also voted Tuesday — to flip the perception of a race that has remained close although Obama leads among pledged delegates, states won and overall votes.

Remember when Obama was ahead in Indiana, or w hen it wqs too close to call? Now Hillary was SUPPOSED to win Indiana all along! The goalposts moved again!

I smell Backpedalling…..maybe……

Well I’m going by Tee Vee and they are saying it’s a third. I never counted them myself. But 2000 was 8 years ago. Also, new registrants and people who turned 18 in the past 8 years, it could add up.

Don’t you find it insulting that the EXIT POLLS were deemed ineffective and incorrect for the 2004 election YET the MSM has been using exit poll data as “gospel” throughout this entire primary season? When did exit polls suddenly become the “holy grail”???

Give me a break.

Yes I would say they are waiting for Marion county to tally.

Because the only thing Coward Dean notices aside from a mirror is a TV camera….No ?

Mine, too!

To me, it’s about what is best for the government.

No matter who runs, I will keep digging out the corruption, via Rezko, and the Chicago papers, et al.

In the end, it’s less about the candidate, and more about restoring our government.

I dont find McCain suitable, and I will not vote for him.

And if he’s corrupt, I think you have to stay on his ass, like a good newspaper man.

I guess more of that Royko thing rubbed off on me than I thought, growing up.

Oh hell it’s never good enough. She’s a woman.

Sad to say but I tend to view each of these primaries as a contest between Hillary and John McCain. A vote for Bambi = a vote for McCain in the general election because BO’s unelectable.

And Susan I am patting you on the back over the net as well…..All of you at NQ who spend the time and talent…..Salute !

Gary is where the school district bussed high school seniors in for early voting.

Well if Obama won PA, it would be 10%. If Hillary won, it’s fractions.

Show me one single state that Obama won that was fractioned down in the end.

I can’t deal with this anymore. I am staying up way too late and getting up way too early reading all of these blogs. I am an ardent Hillary-supporter. I’ve made phone calls and went to IN Sunday to canvas. I’ve donated more money than I can afford and will probably donate more. I went to IN, from Chicago, a few weeks ago to hear Hillary speak.

I can’t understand why anyone would support Obama. I first became upset as the results of NH came in and his supporters started denigrating Hillary’s win by claiming it was the result of the Bradley Effect. This race baiting enraged me. Within a week his campaign falsely accused both Clintons of racism. Those phony charges caused the AA vote to turn against Hillary. If Obama hadn’t been allowed to get away with such lies, she would be our nominee by now.

Instead Obama leads. I am another 57 yr. old white woman who will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. I went to college during the 60-70′s and endured the craziness of radicalism at my college. The Berrigan brothers-two priest that threw blood on draft records-were guest lecturers at my college. I saw the Black Panthers, with guns, board a bus carrying my teenage sister. I have always considered myself to be a liberal Democrat, but not a radical Democrat. Nothing could convince me to vote for Obama, whose friends include Ayers, Rezco, Wright, and so many others. If he is the Democratic nominee he will lose. I would rather see 4 years with McCain and a Democratic congress than 8 years of Obama. If Obama loses, McCain wins, it will be Hillary in ’12.

I can’t believe our country has come to this. I can’t believe the Democratic Party has come to this. I can’t believe that I have to admit that I will register as an Independent if Hillary is not the nominee.

I still believe more stuff will come out about Obama and Hillary can still win this, so we need to stay strong for her. I will keep praying that she can do this, with our help.

Susan,

I’ve always identified myself with the far left, but even I’ve got brains (they tend to develop with age), and as much as I hate to say this, I completely agree with you. I will always have far left goals, but I have learned that they are achieved though diligence, perseverance, hard work, patience, and long-term commitment.

The alternative is a revolution (violent and ugly). America is in no way ready to do this right now, so the only alternative is to find the person most able to do the first.

Yes, rapid change would be better, but I cannot possibly understand HOW Obama could bring it about.

I remain a far-left idealist, probably for the rest of my life, but I still have a brain, and Hillary is the only one that has a chance to begin changing the course of the Titanic, and averting the disaster looming ahead.

These nuts on Fox are saying that Sebelius gave a good State of the Union response and Obama should choose her for a running mate. What bullshit!

You win 51-49, you don’t win 50.3-49.7.

Guess how DISENFRANCHISED Democrats are gonna feel when Obama is shown for the lying, conniving rat bastard that HE is.

Given the Rovian numbers, and tactics, I don’t trust the results, and GOD knows I would never trust anything from you.

You have no credibility, at all.

But if Obama did cheat, I’d just like to say thank you for showing us how.

Now we can fight you better, and we know how you think.

And once I understand how you think, oh, what did the art of war say about that…

Hmmmmm. Not sure now.

You are preaching to the choir Karen. Many of us are completely outraged. And rightfully so.

Yeah, and the funny thing is they project their own weaknesses onto their enemies, and fears, but being the good little narcissists they are, it never occurred to them a world exists outside of themselves, that is capable of manipulating …narcissists.

It never occurred to them narcissism is a weakness, a fatal flaw, they knew it all…

So they fight themselves.

Idiots, I tell ya…

I love corn. Too bad we may soon be unable to afford it, what with the party the corn growers are having growing everything for ethanol big bucks, which I think won’t do squat for us in the end.

Gary is a 30 min drive from Chicago…..Indianapolis is about a 60 min. drive from Chicago….

Ah, yes, I love it when the least informed idiot in the room takes the condescending, pedantic approach.

I think you’re an idiot Kevin, not even a good troll.

So you look kinda silly, not able to understand HOW you’re being trolled, but lecturing others.

Get it?

Tis the one thing I miss about Indiana aside from the folks who are generally rock solid prarie folks…..THE CORN COMES IN FROM EVERWHERE…..AND IT IS SERIOUS CORN FEST GORGING WITH SWEET TOMATOES….. Yeah…..Love them Hoosiers….My daughter is a HOOSIER…..

Honestly Kevin, I just don’t remember when it wasn’t that way. People just do not respect the right that they have that so many other countries do not have.

Uppity….Funny How the CaRTELS Have us jumping through the Hoops Now…first it was 19 guys in Airplanes..that Pushed all the Follow Up Buttons..with an expense account of say $200,000 tops…causing BushWackos to go over the Top, and spend a Couple Trillion here and start a war with Iraq… then stick to the same old republican Politics as usual on top of It..

Now, OMG, fourty Years after We Had Gas lines, we now have gas guzzeling SUVS that people can’t even sell anymore..The Financial and Economic Blackmail Squeese is on Americans that President bush has never Reponded too..Since He just Can’t “Anticipate” anything..

So..Now we are being squeezed to Ruin and Endanger Our FOOD Chain..and Supplies..

Speaking of Connecting the DOTS…

Whats Next..Rationing and Food Lines…??

We only Have One Chance Left to get things Right..

Damn thee Left Wingers…Damn the Right Wingers

Lets all meet in the Middle…

Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself…”
—FDR

Thanks, Garlic-Nosed Guitarist. I need that reminder right now. I am just a wee bit down. You are helping get back up. Yhanks. I needed that

Amen on exit polling. Worthless. At least this year.

which also voted Tuesday — to flip the perception of a race that has remained close although Obama leads among pledged delegates, states won and overall votes.

This is simply not true, this perception was tweaked as part of a PR assault, by the bama’s team.

But see how they actually start to believe it?

If they wanted the truth, they would count FL and MI, look at the small states Obama won and consider their true relevance, look at the AA arm twisting and payoffs, republican crossovers and dirty money.

This is not a win, it’s a giant bribeathon, and it will fall apart. It’s as funny as Bush saying he had political collateral after the second election, when he announced he would try to steal social security for wall street. He thought he did!

oops!

Imagine making decisions based on this spurious garbage.

But imagine this is a general, making decision about Iraq, and wow, explains a lot, since that whole elite is so stupidly incestuous.

No wonder we can’t win a war.

Nope. Not ten. Less.

The AA base is as reactionary as the republican base.

The point is to help us all see the truth about the issues, and Washington, who really is the most qualified, the least corrupt.

It’s not a football game.

We had the gas lines during Carter. You could only fill up on odd or even days, depending on the last number on your plate. People rationed gas and started buying smaller cars. Then Detroit lulled them back into a false sense of security and started making guzzlers again. We did this ourselves but putting what was there behind us, when we shouldn’t have.

Is that realistic?

They have such a hard time, look at them frothing, and yet, they still lose, overall.

Why?

It is true. But this is the way I see it. Obama said that Indiana is a tie-breaker. I’ll stick to that. Plus, what the hell can Hillary do about NC? AA vote went 93% for Obama. Good God, if that would have happened with whites for Clinton, reverend crazy would be preaching up and down US of KKK.

It goes on till June, convention, I don’t care. The tie breaker went to Hillary and her spokespeople shouldn’t stop from pointing out.

Kevin…You know whats going down as well as I do..Which Horse are you going to Ride on..??

Ya know, not too difficult to psy ops the American press and political process, now is it?

And look at the disaster we face because of it…

At the risk of sounding corny ( sigh ) it begins at home.
My daughter has been waiting to vote since the Gore HIJACK of 2000…..She turned 18 in March just before the Texas primary…..She supports Clinton….

Black Americans make up about 13% of all Americans. It is not a large enough base to won a general.

Rove is on FOX salivating over what they want to do to Obama. Remember, all those middle eastern names haven’t even come out yet.

All I can say is it’s looking bad globally speaking of course….
Food Riots every day in the news….This latest Cyclone hit Burma
in their Rice Basket zone as well as killing 15000+….Massive Crop failure in the Punjab….Europe and the US pulling back because our own stocks are low…..Sound familiar to any student of history….No ?

Part of the problem with establishment of the Green Party in the US is that it is an International Party…..Americans are leery of international parties….I’m not judgin’….I’m just sayin’…….

Americans don’t want to believe they’re subject to danger, just like the rest of the world, a large result of Reagan’s happy time cocktail hour.

Or maybe it was just a reflection of Reagan’s simplistic mind.

All the safe guards Regan removed have destroyed the traditional political process, I swear, once they saw the USSR coming apart, they just let everything go.

And I think they saw this as early as Carter’s administration, it just took 10 more years for the demolition of the USSR.

A couple of times this primary season I have felt like just giving up and letting this young generation have their McGovern and get it out of their system. BUT after eight years of Bush and the neocons and the assault on our democracy and Constitution we NEED a Democrat in the White House to begin to restore and undo what Bush and Co. has wrought.

McCain was giving a speech some where today about appointment of judges, especially Supremes and that reminded me of why we need Hillary, so I will keep on keeping on.

Water and food will be the commodities that spark minor conflagrations that could in turn grow into regional wars.

No.

The personalities of the leaders will.

Don’t feel bad Kevin, A majority of 12th graders graduating high school in this country don’t know what the constitution says or means. This has been true for 20 years.

What you are seeing are the results of that neglect. You have ugly racial and money politics on Obama part and large segments of the voting public are suffering from to much “change and hope”.

Kevin, when you can make a cogient arguement of how hope or change without a plan, for the changes sake, puts food on the table, I would give your position more consideration.

When you can explain to me why I should not consider Obama’s associations and lack of experience in todays world, being told it doesn’t matter, I might even meet you half way.

If you can convince me why I should vote for a human being that either choses to ignore the suffering of his constituants or was not aware of it, then I will have been freed from the wieght of the moral requirements and responsibilities of being.

Till then, enjoy the mental room service while it lasts.

We will defeat this devil.

The MSM — ignore them for the duration.

Work towards helping Hillary by donating time, energy and funds if you can. And above all else stay positive.

The game plan is to lobby the SD’s. All the bullshit on TV is a diversion to sap your energy and keep your morale down. I’m only watching the tube tonight to see Hillary give her acceptance speech. Look for her to mention the “tiebreaker” as I did in the post if you click on my name/handle. Terry M. already mentioned it this eve.

Regards,

Your Friendly Neighborhood Morale Officer

Thank you, GNG…I was feeling a little blue, watching the pundits say that she’s going to lose the nomination (even on Fox). Of course on the Networks That Shall Not Be Named, I heard calls of “if she drops out.” But I won’t lose hope. I’ll keep helping Hillary. And now, I check out your info.

Thanks again. I needed that.

she’s moving up in NC and only 30% of the vote is in. Why are they calling it? it’s 514,000 give or take to her 358,000 with a lot to go.

LOL! I’m with you on that!

The Socialist are an International Party…so are the Communist..and so are the Fascists…at least in other countrys you know who they are…

They don’t pretent to be Democrats or Republicans..

Last Ones out of the Closet…They having been hiding in there..for so long..Like Ayers did underground..It must really Stink..

Yeh…I liked it when Perot ran..thought it was good for this Country…and He reminded Me of One of MY Uncles…

The lady sitting directly behind Obama during his speech right now (she has short red hair, holding a white Obama sign, wearing a pink shirt) was sitting directly behind Obama when Obama was previously speaking from a podium.

Did I just hear this asshole refer to SOUTH Carolina?

Okay, guys, I feel MUCH better!

Indiana 73% in:

Clinton 52%
Obama 48%

NC 47% in:

Clinton 41%
Obama 57%

Last time I looked, Obama was in the 60′s and she was in the 30′s…it’s a much more even race now in NC. And the NW region (the Chicago side) of Indiana is now in.

Well…The Rice Scare was probably a trial Ballon..Creat Panic…Chart the results…Pretty soon its all about CONTROL..and Supply and demand…Food Supply Controls will be the last..and probably even water supplys ..The Cartels control everything else..and the Prices…Just like the “Spice Planet”..

..Even the Very Elect will be Decieved..

Our national Grain stock is down to it’s lowest level in 35 years…..Europe is down too because of unnatural flooding…
The Strain is due in large part to China not exporting Rice but with India becoming Rice Importers….The Great Crop Experiment failure in the Pujab is a disaster as they feed the a lot of southeast Asia…..The engineered Crops have failed and are contaminating the Punjab…..

Forgot to add Major Grain Crop depression in Egypt and any student of history knows how critical Egyptian Grain is.

It’s a circle the far right and the far left meet in THEIR middle. They have a different reality. We’ve seen a dramatic example in the Big Orange Satan evolving into the FREEPER hate website.

Nothing like watching the theory of political science come alive in real time!

and only half the votes are in. NC is a lot closer than they are will to admit on ALL the ObamaTV channels.

go Hillary go
I say NC is too close to call, she’s been moving up steadily, she’s within 8 points of him now

sorry, typo it’s more like 18 points

Oops, my bad. NW Indiana is NOT in yet.

I know, Kathryn, the Highly Lip Glossed One on the Network That Shall Not Be Named (but starts with an M for Moron) was gloating when his numbers were in the 60′s at 5% in. Now that they’re closer, the gloating? Not so much.

I’m a little anxious about Indiana. I hope she holds.

I am flabbergasted at the disgusting bias being shown on tv. MSNBC is even darkening the Clinton ticker on tv to try to down play the fact that she is gaining on him in NC.
How dare they call NC, she’s within 150k votes of him and 43% left to count

It’s as funny as Bush saying he had political collateral after the second election, when he announced he would try to steal social security for wall street.

Perfect comparison.

Thanks to you – I too have found that I feel stronger about Hillary daily. And to think at the end of December, I was very tepid toward her. LOL

Susan you are truly remarkable. The world needs many more like you.

It’s horribly disgusting and makes my stomach hurt.

Do what I do: Don’t Watch the Moron Network. I’m actually watching Fox and muting when an Obamabot comes on.

Pfffffssssssssssst!!!!

What was that?

MSNBC’s war room, apparently.

Olbermann just opened his mouth again.

Well Perot was from my home town… chuckle ….So my perspective on him is a little different…..He was OK I guess except that he thought Fencing in West Dallas was a fine way to deal with crime….It’s kinda funny now…..He said it in an interview for the Dallas Observer before he went National…..Imagine a little piece of Gaza in my home town….chuckle….

The crops in Australia are in real bad shape from Bad Weather too..

We are seeing thebeginning of another major Crisis on Top of all the Ones we re having…

We have all the technology to tell Us..that Our Planet is coming u nhinged ..

But..You know…We are Shroooms..so SHHHhHHHhhhhh ITs a SECRET…Just can’t get everyone under the bed with
Cheney…

Zippidy Do Da…!!

We can rationalize all we want… Intelligent critique means NOTHING. The f**cking powers that be will AGAIN nominate / put in power a DANGEROUS, ARROGANT, SELF-SERVING ASS… They will never learn… Nixon, Regan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr… now Mccain? Obamassole? It will never matter if Hillary wins evrything left etc… Too much is being done to keep her out! If this country lets her get away, I will leave and disown it. I’ve had ENOUGH! Its just too disgusting! Damn ignorant clones! **SPIT**

Sorry to say it guys -but you are sounding desperate.

Need to be objective or else you will be laughed at.

The historical response to these conditions has been isolationism……The only candidate who seems to understand this shit is Hillary Clinton…..She is a student of History…..

No, ultimately it is the personalities of the leaders that determine the decisions that define an outcome, whether it’s stupid Cheney, and the need to bomb Iran, when there are other ways to handle the problems, or some kook leader using bad policy to justify skirmishes over food.

Don’t want war, create a food policy.

But be aware, everything is strategic, even a troll of Dick Cheney.

Part of the cold war effort was to game politicians, and generals, certainly.

The simplistic republican trolls can’t grasp this concept at all.

It is frustrating this refusal to see past the nose….
We have an income gap that has not been this great since the 1920′s…..We have an increased global population and serious resource production…We are fuckin around with genetic engineering and not anticipating these new problems that result in toxic contamination…..When I heard on the BBC that there is massive crop failure in the Punjab and that there is toxic contamination in the water table it was truly alarming…..The crop is failing and the cattle are dying.
It is a double whammy taking place currently in one of the largest agricutlural zones in sub continent….There will be a lot of refugees….It’s like the calamities of the late 1920′s and the 1930′s…..Things are going to get SCARY TRIBAL SOONER THAN MOST FOLKS THINK….And it will be GLOBAL….Like Before….

No, that’s simply your projection, we are really laughing our asses off at you, as we use your projections to troll you, and you’re too fucking stupid to get it, despite a cycle of losing you can’t break.

Try K**, though, they’re easy troll, some of the dumbest white boy you’ll ever see.

You’ll never win this way.

Oh, wait…

KEVIN…YOU ARE ( SIGH ) WRONG…..
I suggest you listen and read international media….These shortages are real and some are related to climate change, some are related to increased demand and some are related to unanticipated failures in crop engineering…..It is a CLUSTERFUCK that is sweeping the globe…..

See, the republican/ko* type trolls arent smart, and they’re narcissistic.

They can’t recognize those of a higher intellect, because to do so would throw them into a narcissistic crisis, a rage.

So their personality disorder cripples them, they are caught in a Catch -22, they can never transcend their own limitations, allowing others to troll them, very easily.

You can’t transcend your limitations until you admit you have them, and recognize your opponent as superior.

They can’t do that, due to their narcissism.

I guess I’m trying to say if you can game the heads, properly, (which doesn’t mean totalitarian “mind control” as some flaming idiots simplistically think), you can control the “nukes.”

Those responsible for horrific policy, whether it be Bush, or the Iranians, are pretty easy to crack, not to difficult there, at all.

You see?

But you want people to make good decisions.

The Pharoh upon being told he would have 7 years of good and seven years of …

Kevin, the 3 horses don’t belong to any party, their names are War, Poverty and Indifference. It does not matter which you chose to ride.

Patrick Henry and workingclass artist are right to be concerned.

Didn’t 8 years of George W. Bush demonizing our enemies teach us anything? People who don’t agree with your point of view aren’t stupid, or inferior, or narcissistic. They just don’t agree with you.

Dave, Obama is a traitor, really no more than a middle eastern op, so you’re either disingenuous, or stupid.

(Middle eastern ops have been known to murder innocent American citizens, and it looks like Obama has some connection to those people, making him a traitor).

And given the level of troll I see around here, I’m going with stupid.

If you don’t understand what I’m saying, or you think there is a way to troll this, well, you’re too dumb for me, son.

And you really are stupid, btw, the republicans are some of the dumbest heads I’ve ever gamed, or SEEN gamed.

And I KNOW it’s over your head, don’t bother, but, it isn’t the policy of the United States to support traitors.

HTH.

And you are narcissistic, your rage prohibits you from admitting it, it’s why you’re stupid.

It’s cute though the way you try so hard.

Shithead.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I’m wondering too if within the republican organization there aren’t major cracks.

Will McCain even begin to be able to control his troops, so to speak, or is there a problem?

Drooling true believers aren’t know for their ability to tolerate disagreement, when an organization such as the republicans, or even the AA Obama contingent breaks apart, it gets bloody, creates it’s own civil war.

And people are worried about the democrats?

The K** types should be more fearful of those fools within their own ranks, I mean, Ayers used bombs, he’s tough, right?.

heh.

I’m not interested in being friends with Americans who betray other Americans.

And if you really think as simplistically as your weak minded attempts to troll, well, really…

LOL

Wow. The first time I read through this interesting response, I thought you were doing an over-the-top impression of hateful, non-issue-specific blathering.

But it would seem as though these are your actual thoughts. Rather than try to take pot shots at you, as you have at me, I’m going to attempt to take the high road.

Do you honestly believe that Barack Obama is a “middle eastern op?” Could you perhaps provide some evidence for this claim?

And while you’re at it, could you quote anything I’ve said and explain to me how it fits the definition of rage?

Barack Obama: to know him is to loathe him.

Is’nt that where those big lakes are…..No that’s Oregon…..chuckle…..
And Obama is a product of elite private schools…..OH BROTHER….

Obama is makin King George look like a scholar…..SHEEEEEESH !

Oh Like the News media that is “Objective”..

or the DNC and Howard Dean..or Dick Cheney and
Lap Dog Libby..They are all turning into Junkies waiting for thier next “FIX”..

So…We can add Selling “HOPE”…to those not already Addicted to “DOPE”..

Its a Cult thing..in the 60′s it was” Hippys”

Now its the “HOPE~DOPES” Or “HOPPEYS” for short..

Think I’m gonna write a Song…

“

Es ist verboten!

If Obama takes power we better get used to speaking German?

Teak we are getting increased international pressure as is Europe from the World food Bank because we have cut back so much….There is this new bill allotting $$ we don’t have for Global Aid….Ethanol is contributing but not to the degree that most folks think….We can feed ourselves if there is a national emergency but only for an alarmingly short time comparitively….Russia is stockpiling it’s national reserves in anticipation….China has reduced Crop output so much that they have become reliant on imports….Below the equator the weather has become so funky that crops are unstable…See Patrick Henry’s mention of Australia…What is also bad is the obliteration of fisheries all over and enforcing international law is going to get really hairy….
These are problems that will require a painful pragmatism coupled with the courage of a visionary….
This is FDR time and Clinton is the closest thing we have got….I thought it was telling that the Tories overturned the Labor party in the London Mayoral Race….An Omen perhaps

What’s the story with Lake County and holding off the reporting of votes? The mayor of Gary, Indiana is a huge supporter of Obama’s and states that Obama would rack up huge number there to overtake Clinton.

I addressed you….Teak cause you get it….So does Patrick….Rdancer does too but this is more than a recipe for what history has to teach us because the clusterfuck has more components than before and we are so UNSTABLE in so many ways….Globally speaking of course….There will be very few Voices of Reason….
It is very troubling…..Thanks for letting me lament…

Yes Artist…All Good Points…Thoughtful…Enlightened..

Yes…They all are Omens Now..Your Comparisons to FDR seem appropiate
..Different Game..Same consequences..

Visionarys..yes indeed..much Wiser and
Stable than Reactionarys..with Hearts that are More Pure..like Bilbo”s..

First off, I cannot bring myself to ever watch FOX if they have Karl Rove on it, don’t legitimize that b**tard crook ever. MSNBC is gone from my viewing habits forever. CNN tries to be fair at least.

On the Gary vote counts, there are rumors circulating that this mayor made a prediction several weeks ago that Gary would give Indiana to Obama. Smells like Ohio in 04 to me…

Susie…

The results will be in after midnight..Its all Gaming.. the Game..

Its Bigger than Me and You..Sue…

Think I want a Bowl of Ice Creme..

Interesting read by Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal” AKA “RokSki”: Obama’s North Carolina victory undermines his chances
http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=494

So while North Carolina looks like an impressive win on its face for Obama, when you realize that he received over 90% of the African-American vote from a heavily African-American Democratic contingent in a state which will not be going Democratic in the fall because that heavily-black vote will not be enough to offset the white and non-white, non-African-American vote in November, the win becomes much less dramatic. Further tempering its applicability to the question of November electability is that if one wishes to only focus on Democratic voters during this primary season, Clinton is clearly ahead. So on either the question of general election viability or on the question of who a greater number of tallied Democratic voters support, Clinton is clearly ahead of Obama. North Carolina not only doesn’t change this reality, it actually reinforces it: Clinton has shown she can win the crucial swing states, she can win states that actually have the opportunity to go Democratic in November, and she has the backing of more Democrats than does Obama. This is the reality.

Ha! Mayor of Gary got caught with his pants down! Had to wait over 5 hours for the votes to come in from Lake County. The mayor from Hammond called him out. Votes magically appeared, even though they were supposed to be electronically counted with no wait time with Hillary squeaking by.

They stole the caucuses and they tried to steal IN.

Yes. The state and federally funded school district bused them.

I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know the legalities. I’m a high school teacher in California. Good luck pulling that crap in my district.

Projection.

If I promise to “grow up” will you promise to “spin” Texas for me? Go ahead. Explain how illegally locking out voters is acceptable.

War. Poverty. Indifference.

Amen, Teak. Thanks for that reminder.

Not another “high road” projection…

He screwed up, didn’t he? Somebody just bought himself a slab of concrete.

Wow.

I’m not interested in pretentious trolls, with the IQ of a watermelon.

The reality is Obama deals with Auchi, who deals with Qaddafi, who blew up a plane full of Americans.

At the very least, it is NOT acceptable to take money from this man, no matter who you are.

That you even think this is acceptable shows a level of stupidity or denial that should be no where NEAR a decision making process for this country.

Period.

If you wouldn’t want your kid around this type of traitor garbage, (and Obama betrays all Americans when he takes money from Auchi) then you have no right making decisions for other people’s kids.

Can you follow it, or is the moral paradigm still out of reach?

Your faux outrage is boring, you’re too slow intellectually, show me some brains, here, meat.

And yes, if he, or his supporters, help to facilitate the laundering of money, either to Palestine, or Pakistan, or worse, he would be classified a middle east op, and I would venture tracked as such. Rezko? Syria? Problem here?

What do you call people who dally with hamas, say, and Qadaffi, and god knws who else?

Other than Cheney acolytes and business partners?

The North Carolina and Indiana vote counts do not pass the SMELL test!!!!! The polls could not have been that far off! Check out what the polls were reflecting for the past few days(with the exception of Zogby who has been off the mark for the past six months)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

Something’s wrong here. I went to bed with Hillary in a twelve point lead in Indiana with nearly half the votes counted. At the same time the major outlets were giving North Carolina to Barry despite no votes being counted. That was strange enough.

I wake up to find Barry’s won North Carolina by double digits? And closed in on Hillary to within two percent?

Whfffffffffffff!

It’s doubtful, Basil. Sorry.

Plucked out of the international press.

It’s three in the morning. Nine in the morning back home. Here’s the latest version of all the articles I’ve written last night. It took six hours until an ornery area in the northwest of Indiana returned their votes.

‘Thank you. Now it’s full speed ahead to the White House!’

More.

It’s remarkable how quickly the psychology in such a marathon campaign swings back and forth. Two weeks ago when Hillary got her double digit victory in Pennsylvania it began to feel like the Obama saga was over. Now when he’s won big in the delegate rich North Carolina and lost by a narrow margin in Indiana it suddenly is Hillary’s curtain coming down.

And now it’s time to go to sleep in New York. Goodbye.

I personally think both results were rigged. I suppose a recount could be good but somehow this doesn’t seem like what the HRC offices can tackle. I think they’ve lost important margins over the past months because they’re just not as well organised. And it’s a shame. But that Indiana and North Carolina return results so at variance with all polls – no. I do not buy that. The results were rigged and I can detect the stench of organised corruption far away. US democracy RIP.

You are correct. The results were rigged.

Yep. Wait for the MSM to start digging. Those that don’t get shivers up their middle legs that is. But don’t hold your breath. Fact of the matter: nobody in the MSM gives a shit. About anything. Much less fairness and democracy. Screw it. Kids will be able to read about democracy in history books – published and used only in other countries.

I just read the transcript over at talk left on Donnidiot’s MELTDOWN on TV last night…..According to Donnidiot the new democratic pary oes not need WORKING CLASS VOTERS OR HISPANICS……
SHE JUST DELEVERED THE LOWER HALF OF THE UNION TO THE GOP !
THE HISPANIC PRESS WILL BE ALL OVER THAT !

I don’t care
I don’t read
I don’t think
I don’t learn

All I know is
Hope!
Change!

Gimme more!
Gimme more!
Gimme more!

Do you think that they conveniently “forgot” to count votes?
Let’s say all is true – that all the votes (other than a few stragglers…) have been counted in IN. Is it possible that the counties where Hillary was going to, for sure, do good in were counted first only to show Obama’s leading gaining?
And, I still don’t get declaring Obama the winner in NC with 0% of the precincts counted. That is some BS there!

ACCORDING TO DONNIDIOT… The New Democratic party does not need HISPANICS AND WORKING CLASS VOTERS…..
The Entire lower half OF THE UNION will go GOP…..Sheeeeeesh

Fox? The Ministry of Propaganda for the Republican Party.

Rove? A criminal who should be in jail by now–if it weren’t for the Bush dictatorship preventing his prosecution.

Drudge? A fascist liar and muck peddler.

Now I get it. This blog is for right-wingers who like Hillary. Nice.

Watch Fox News… …and Karl Rove’s analyses are quite fascinating since he knows the country so well

I don’t question Rove’s ability to understand the electorate – but after what he helped do to Valerie Plame & Joe Wilson, do you really think we should give him or his network any exposure at all…??? I feel like my head is going to explode after reading some of these pro FOX News posting…?!?!?!

I personally think Rove’s a treasonous pr*ck and should be in jail – but hey that’s just me…

I know I could pull dozens of articles from this site alone that support my disgust for this guy…

– Mitchman

When the rest of them start reporting facts rather than tingling down their legs, they will get my viewership back.

I watch ABC because Charlie and George took shit for their debate. I haven’t had the others on in two months.

I read the newspapers on line.

“Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.”
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan