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Michael Barone Is a Hack

The following is a reprint of BooMan’s post on WSJ columnist Michael Barone, re-posted by Larry Johnson and SusanUnPC

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Well, it’s started. Michael Barone has begun the rewriting of history. In one of the most dishonest columns I’ve seen in a long time, he attempts to deconstruct all the parallels between Vietnam and Watergate, and Iraq, Plamegate, and the NSA scandal.

In the process, he manages to blame the mainstream press for overcovering the criminal acts of Karl Rove while exonerating Rove of any crimes.

Specific to Plame, Barone makes two false claims.

Still, it was clear early on that the likelihood that Mr. Rove violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act was near zero. Under the law, the agent whose name was disclosed would have had to have served overseas within the preceding five years (Valerie Plame, according to her husband’s book, had been stationed in the U.S. since 1997), and Mr. Rove would have had to know that she was undercover (not very likely).

The law says a covert agent is one “who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States….” Apparently, Michael Barone cannot read. The ‘or’ is kind of clear, isn’t it? Valerie served overseas within the five year window, she just did not live overseas in the period. Barone is not a dunce, he’s a paid liar. That’s pretty clear from his second distortion. He says that it was not very likely that Rove knew Plame was undercover. I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

We get to the heart of Barone’s authoritarian worldview here:

Journalists in the 1940s, ’50s and early ’60s tended to believe they had a duty to buttress Americans’ faith in their leaders and their government. Journalists since Vietnam and Watergate have tended to believe that they have a duty to undermine such faith, especially when the wrong party is in office.

I’ve written endlessly about the 1970′s during the Plame and NSA affairs precisely because the press has reverted to its prior form and so has the government. Washington reporters think the the blogosphere is undermining America’s faith in their institutions (the government and the press). They’re wringing their hands about it. I heard it first hand, from more than one reporter, in DC this week. We used to trust our institutions until we learned they were bugging our leaders, opening our mail, breaking into our psychiatrists’ offices, infiltrating our organizations and instigating violence, and lying about the reasons for and progress of a war. We trusted our papers until we realized they were deeply penetrated and compromised by the CIA. We tried to pass laws to give ourselves a renewed confidence in our institutions. And they have failed us again. Badly. At great cost in blood and treasure. Michael Barone is not a patriot. He is part of the problem. No amount of lies and distortions can give us back a sense of legitimacy in our press and our government. Only a long record of honest, competent, and legal performance can do that. We are not undermining the Establishment. We’re just documenting the atrocities.

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The above is a reprint of BooMan’s post on WSJ columnist Michael Barone, re-posted by Larry Johnson and SusanUnPC.

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  • http://www.seixon.com Seixon

    “I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.”

    Ah, so that’s what passes for evidence that Rove knew Plame was NOC.

    If Plame was so super-duper covert, why hasn’t the CIA, Plame, nor Wilson stated on the record whether Plame was covert or not and how?

    She has quit the CIA, is there any reason why this information cannot be publicly commented?

    Fitzgerald is not going to provide any evidence on the status of Plame, why?

    Or are we all keeping this a secret so Plame can be the first to tell it when she drops her book next year?

    Come on Larry, you know the answer to this question.

  • Leslie

    Yes, documenting the atrocities. Why only yesterday the Supreme Court ruled against the 4th Amendment and in favor of illegal search and seizure.

    Who and what is Barone talking about? He writes since Vietnam…”journalists have tended to believe that they have a duty to undermine such faith, especially when the wrong party is in office.” If I recall correctly, it was a Democratic president that got us into Vietnam. Plus, King George, who lied us into an unprovoked war, is illegally spying on Americans, who tolerates traitors in his midst, and who is slowly gutting the Constitution, hasn’t received half as much media criticism and attention as Clinton did over consensual sex. It used to be the job of a good journalist to speak truth to power. But now if they do they may face prison.

  • Leslie

    Sexion, you idiot, Fitzgerald stated for the record that Plame was a NOC and undercover. The CIA wouldn’t have referred the case to the Justice Dept. nor would the Justice Dept. be investigating if there hadn’t been a serious breach of national security. The case goes further than Plame’s status: The CIA used the invented firm of Brewster Jennings for her cover, so she could investigate Iran’s attempts to obtain WMD. All of this was blown. And who knows how many people had their covers and their investigations blown through their connections to Plame and Brewster Jennings, or who may have been imprisoned or killed, because of the treasonous actions of Can’t Shoot Straight, Scooter, Turdblossom and Novakula.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/seixon/ Seixon

    Leslie, Leslie, Leslie…

    Fitzgerald has not stated that for the record, would you like to point out where he has? Even if he has, which I am not aware of, he is not going to be presenting any evidence to prove that this is so.

    I’m fairly confident that Plame was NOC, but I am not confident that she was “covert” under the IIPA. That’s a difference.

    Nor have we been able to see just what the CIA referral letter contains. Your speculation about why they refer the matter to the DoJ is just that, speculation.

    As for Plame working on Iran, the only ones alleging this are those very, very close to the same people that peddled Jason Leopold’s disgraceful story about Rove. David Shuster, who was “convinced” that Rove was going to be indicted is the same one who peddled the still unproven allegation that Plame was working on Iran.

    As for what damage was done by all of this: another thing that Fitzgerald and the CIA are very, very quiet about for some strange reason. They want to allege there was damage done, but don’t want to prove it? What is up with that?

    Every reporter who has been on this story, including Pincus who was a shill for Wilson, have said that there was no real harm done by revealing Plame’s occupation at the CIA. Every single one except for another Wilson shill, David Corn. I think that speaks for itself.

    Hey Larry, let me guess, you and VIPS have been running “info” up David Shuster’s shute, haven’t you? You’re all in the same boat having peddled Leopold’s infamous story. There’s a reason why only that small group of people believed in the story. How about you be candid Mr. Johnson?

    Oh, and this time, don’t suggest that I’m homosexually infatuated with Bush.

  • Patrick Henry

    Thanks Susan and Leslie..

    Good Comments..>On TARGET…Te

    BullsEYE….

    That is the POINT..

    An Intentional attack and retaliation by use of CLASSIOFIED…Information…Gathering Files…Data..Information on United States Ambassador…Joe Wilson and his wife..who worked at CIA…and then Forming a Plan through SHILLS and Administration STAFF.(Loyalist)EPORTERS to Publish and disclose that INFORMATION…through the PRESS..

    They made it a Point of DISCREDITING Ambassador Wilsons Findings During His
    Africa..Investigation..

    Findings that Now are Verified as FACTUAL..

    Making sure that REPORTERS KNEW that Valorie worked at CIA..and was Joes WIFE..

    Was the most Sinister Part of the PLAN that Mr. Liddy was Part of..

    We also know that the Liddy..Rove…Cheney connection to this PLOT..
    is NOW Verified..

    But was COVERED Up and Publically DENIED by the President Bush and Scotty with the Press Corp..and ONLY Became PUBLIC as the Result of a GOOD Investigation and a Good Grand Jury..

    Paint it any Way you Want..

    But Anyone who is Making Excuses for this Administration..and Its ACTIONS in the Plame..Wilson..IRAQ WAR PROGRAM..

    Are just Painting a COVER UP..

    Plain and Simple..

    Dishonorable Conduct..

    Shame on Them..

  • Rich

    Patrick Henry:

    “They made it a Point of DISCREDITING Ambassador Wilsons Findings During His
    Africa..Investigation..

    Findings that Now are Verified as FACTUAL”

    PLease provide documentation for this statement. Surely you are aware that the commission found Wilson’s sweet tea report, as he presented it in the NYT and Larry presents it here, faulty.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/seixon/ Seixon

    You nailed it Henry.

    Rove used his mind rays to coerce Matt Cooper into calling him. Libby told Miller everything and then she… never wrote a word about it.

    Then Cheney testified to the grand jury that he told Libby about Plame in mid-June.

    Yup, a wide-ranging cover-up there! Whooooboy, they really know how to pull it off don’t they. Mind rays and all.

  • http://jonesalley.blogspot.com Milo Johnson

    Wow, Seixon and Rich, you guys are real pieces of work, aren’t you?

    And I thought Panda’s Thumb had the dumbest trolls on the planet…

  • Rich

    Milo,

    I guess you disagree with my post. So why don’t you help Patrick Henry out and provide back-up for the statement:

    “They made it a Point of DISCREDITING Ambassador Wilsons Findings During His
    Africa..Investigation..

    Findings that Now are Verified as FACTUAL..”

  • verner

    You people are forgetting something important. It was TRUE that Valerie Plame recommended her husband for the job. On the other hand, it was not true that Joe Wilson was sent by the VP, or that is mission disproved evidence concerning Iraq, Niger or Yellow cake. See the SSCI and the Butler Review.(Sorry if you don’t like them, but they are factual records)

    It is also true that Kerry dropped Wilson from his team right after the SSCI report was released.

    How often do we have to keep repeating these little facts! How did the Bush administration discredit Wilson? Isn’t he by definition discredited since what he claimed was not true?

  • http://spaces.msn.com/mpumpky/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c02_owner=1 PrchrLady

    Rich, you need to keep start by stating current facts, not just someone else’s comments on ‘facts’ that have since been disproved by new information. That something is ‘true’ is only based on the info that is at hand when the decision to call it ‘true’.

    Most educated people realize that as our knowledge base increases, that what was once regarded as a fact, is no longer true. There are many examples of this, the best one I can think of now is that the earth was ‘known’ to be flat.

    I think your first question re: Sir Pat’s statement was asked fairly, and respectfully. That you ask the question means that you are seeking the truth. I am sure someone here, more computer savy than I will be able to cite you some references. Thanks for participating here.

  • Rich

    PrchrLady,

    Thank you for clearing that up for me. What was once taken as conventional wisdom is disproved by new knowledge and new facts.

    Examples:

    Saddam had no links to Al Qeuda was CW. Now it is being disproved with new knowledge.

    No WMD in Iraq. Now we know that WMD were moved to Syria before the war. (see Jay Rockefeller)

    Joe Wilson was searching for the truth when he sipped sweet tea in Niger. We now know that Wilson had a company with mining interests in Niger and had a lot to lose from the Yellow Cake charges.

    Larry Johnson was a well informed ex-CIA agent with keen knowledge of the terrorist threat. We now know based on reading his NYT op-ed 2 months before 9/11, that he was probably the least informed person on the face of the earth.

    Now I see how this all works!!

  • http://spaces.msn.com/mpumpky/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c02_owner=1 PrchrLady

    Again, I ask. please provide reference links for your examples. In a quest for knowledge, we should always know where the ‘facts’ come from, would you not agree?

    In your comment about Saddam’s connections with AlQueda now coming to light, can you reference that for me? Thanks

  • Rich

    PrchrLady,

    More than happy to. There is quite a lot here.

    Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard has done quite a bit of work on the issue. Here is one link, but there is much more if you visit the website.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

    This is part of an ongoing series documenting the relationship

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199757,00.html

    This site has 59 links regarding Saddam and Al Queda

    http://www.papadoc.net/WoW/ConnectionbetweenAlQuedaandSaddam.htm

    I posted these links on this site yesterday:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/14/wterr14.xml

    “The second part of the memo, which is headed “Niger Shipment”, contains a report about an unspecified shipment – believed to be uranium – that it says has been transported to Iraq via Libya and Syria.”

    and…

    “Iraq’s coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.”

    Posted by: Rich | Friday, 16 June 2006 at 19:36

    Thousands of documents were found in Iraq and are still being translated (A huge task as you may imagine) but even the small ammount that have been translated have already blown CW out of the water.

  • Rich

    PrchrLady,

    Here is a nice primer on the WMD and Syria. You can find the reports on the internet.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06036/649858.stm

  • Patrick Henry

    Rather Saddam had any links to al Quaeda or not ..and rather those links..if any..involved in a direct participation in the 9/11 attack on the united States…

    Was Not CLEARLY Proven at the time The Bush Administration put thier “Package” together to justify the War on .Iraq..

    It is ONLY what was done to Manipulate the Intelligence and What this dministration TOLD the American people and the united Nations at the TIME the matters..

    Information and Claims that even the Administration and George tenet and others..now Say should NOT have been used in Public Speechs by President Bush..

    The Bush Administrations Actions and Conduct Clearly telegraphed thiwer INTENT to go to WAR…and Allowed Saddam Plenty of time to Prepare..with any help He may Have gotten from Nations Hostile to the United States..

    Maybe Saddam moved some stuff out..he had plenty of Warning..Thanks to the Poor Planning and Strategy of the Bush Administration…
    And Don Rumsfelds control of the Defense department..

    In My Opinion…The Bush Administration put a Big PR Package together..playing off the emotions of 9/11..

    Justified the WAR..

    Didnt listen to any Objections or Contrary Opinions..

    Figured Saddams Army would use any WMDs they had on our Troops..EXPOSING what they believed had been hidden from the UN Weapons Inspectors..

    Then..AFTER the WMDS were used on Our Troops…and After we Occupied the Country…They Could find the EVIDENCE that would JUSTIFY the WAR..

    Then..the Bush Administration Could Say..

    “I TOLD YOU SO..”

    Well..That didn’t happen…Bad SAtradegy..Bad Planning…Bad Micro Managing of a War effort by CIVILIAN Politicians..

    BAD Manipulation of the Resources of the United States Government..

    Bad Manipulation of the People of the United States..

    HAD Nothing to do with the
    events of 9/11 or in direct retaliation to 9/11..

    And was done ONLY to fufill the OBJECTIVES of the Neo cons in the Bush Administration who Hated Saddam..anbd wanted to Occupy and Control IRAQ..

    Joe Wilson was Qualified to go on a FACT fINDING MISSION to Niger..and to Question his Motives for Reporting His Findings as he Did….

    OR asserting that He would try to Cover Up Information..because of “Mining Interests” is Disgusting..

    Since that is being Alledged..What about the Significant Connections to OIL Companys..and Production based on Past Corperate Interest and Associations by members of ths Administration..

    We are to Believe Ambassador Wilson had His Motives…But NOT any members of the Bush Administration..

    For thier ACTIONS..

    Come On Guys..How about some Honest and Realistic Perspective..

    This Administration has Just Plain done BAD things…for BAD Motives..

    and Now we are in a War that has Created Division and Instability here at Home..and Around the World..

    The Real outrage is that Bin Laden is still out there..

    The Master Planner and Organizer of al Quadea and its Operations..

    Who SHOULD President Bush have gone After..??

    why did He divert Resources from Afghanistan..??

    Why did He Change FOCUS..?

    Why did the Bush Administration put what appears to be a PSY/OPS Package together to Justify this War in Iraq..??

    Because thats what Happened..and alot of good people have been killed as a result..

    And Our Nation is Divided..and DISGRACED..

    Yes…Larry is a Decorated Analysist who worked at CIA and State..He is Experienced and Knowlegable..

    He knws what damage has been done…and Why CIA Asked for the Plame investigation…and why Information was Leaked about CIA and its employee..and Valories connecttion to Joe Wilson..

    Because CIA Diud Damage Assessments..

    And knew the Leaked Information Caused DAMAGE..

    Yes…Larry wrote an Op/Ed piece..

    His was a Statistical Analysis and At THAT TIME…he was right..Based on known Facts and figures at that time..

    Perhaps the timing was Bad..

    but Larry was Not the Presidnet of the United States..Commander in Chief…Man in Charge of the Government..with Access to all the resources and Agencys of the United States..

    When they had thier Hands on the 9/11 terrorists and people were trying to warn Department Heads and the President in his PDBs..about Current Terrorist Activitys..

    Information that larry did not have Access to at the time..

    But..The President of the United States…George W. Bush did have access to..

    and IGNORED..

    And the Game ever Since..by this Administration..Has been to BLAME and Attack others…and Use the Full Power of the Presidents office..

    To COVER UP the Truth..

    Thats HOW this Works..

    And alot of US..Don’t LIKE It..

    Betraying the American People while Claiming to represent Them..

    Just to Cover Your Actions and Deceptions..

    Is the WORST form of Sleaze..

    The Only RIGHT..

    is the RIGHT to TRUTH..

  • Rich

    Patrick Henry,

    In other words, you didn’t read any of the articles I linked to. By the way, you get no extra points for using capital letters.

  • http://shockandblog.com Commodore Sloat

    Nice try Rich. The disinformation about Saddam and al-Qaeda is just that. You expect us to believe Con Coughlin’s report from 2003 that a handwritten document (discvered by Iraq’s interim government, who have a vested interest in forging such a document) proves both Iraq’s connections to 9/11 and uranium in niger in one fell swoop. No indication of any official seal on the document, no indication it is even in Habbush’s handwriting other than Allawi’s word, and never mind that the details are inconsistent with every hard piece of evidence we have about Atta’s movements and about the Niger uranium story. We also know that Atta hated Saddam with a passion, felt he was an American stooge, and that the story of him working with the secular marxist terrorist abu nidal defies all rationality. (Not to mention that Abu Nidal was a failure when it came to hijacking planes; why the hell would Atta seek out the advice of someone who botched the 1985 Karachi hijacking so badly? especially at the eleventh hour before 9/11, surely Atta had done all the training he needed by then?) And somehow nobody but Coughlin has seen this document and for three years nobody in the press or in the US Government has bothered to comment on this document, even though the US government should be all over this. Especially at the end of 2003 when it was at pains to justify the invasion.

    As for the rest of your so-called “evidence” from right wing opinion sources, this stuff has been refuted over and over in the mainstream media. Independent investigations by CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA, State Dept, and the 9/11 Commission all found no cooperation between Saddam and al-Qaeda, and the Senate Committee concluded that the intel community’s conclusions were justified.

    The new documents you refer to have been studied carefully already by the Pentagon and their report — as well as the ONDI office’s statements on these documents — have been careful not to suggest that there is evidence of any al qaeda connections in the documents (thought there is plenty of evidence that Saddam was a nefarious and murderous thug, but nobody disputes that). The jihadist training camps Hayes refers to are not at all jihadist but pan-arab nationalist. Again, that’s not to say this activity is innocuous, but it is not a relationship with al-Qaeda, and Lieutenant Brooks was very careful about that when he testified to a Congressional committee about it. In fact, one of the documents shows that Hussein was trying to have al-Zarqawi arrested, rather than working with him. Please stop spreading this disinformation about al-Qaeda ties to Iraq.

  • RJJ
  • http://canuckstuckinmuck.blogspot.com Canuck Stuck in Muck

    The contributors to this commentary who are from the–how shall I put it?–right wing of the American political scene, if they’ve been paying attention, should know that citing CNN, FOX or the Weekly Standard will not cut it with those of us who seek the reality, not the invented reality in these matters. Don’t just give us somebody’s claim that there exist documents to prove Hussein was training terrorists, show us! We like empirical evidence here in the blogosphere (don’t know where you’re from, but it ain’t the blogosphere, ’cause you ain’t no fever-swamp dwellers, ‘s far ‘s I can tell). So, don’t just give us third-party heresay, give us the goods (if, that is, you or anyone has them, which I doubt). We are dealing with a fascist regime that thinks nothing of playing the populace. Rumsfelds’ “Ministry of Strategic Misinformation” was the first inkling we had that these people might think that the truth was whatever you could get the greatest number of people to believe. And the ‘real’ truth was something only the fascists themselves had access to. You guys are going to have to do better than heresay and assertion, if you want to convince any of us that there’s anything to your bullshit claims.

  • Patrick Henry

    Rich..I appreciate your responses and Opinions in this Debate along with ..
    Seixon Comments..

    you have rights to your Perspective and opinions..

    You want to justify the Actions of this administration and the War in Iraq..

    I wish i could…but since there is Clear Evidence of Manipulation and Deception..and sinced My I believe harm was done to our National Security and to the Prestige of the Office of President of the United States..and the Status of the Government and Peoples of the United States around thee World..

    I will voice My Strong Disapproval of Known Actions by The Bush Administration and the Results of those decisions..

    Sionce President Bush Lost Focus…made a BAD Political decision…

    To either Participate In..or Support the PLAN to Invade Iraq.. That Bad Decision has gotten alot of Good People killed…Started an un`necessary War..and

    We should Have stayed In Afghanistan where we could justifiably fight the war against the Terrorists..

    Since you guys know all about Larry..his background..The Man Behind the Fight for Justice..

    How many of you are Combat Vets…Worked at CIA or State Department…are willing to put up your Portfolio..show your Face..

    Go Public..

    Like Larry Johnson Has..because He believes an Injustice has been done…and Must be accounted for..??

    Instead of hiding behind
    Blogger nicknames…

    Yes..I use Caps…to underline MY Point…Thats my Style..Thats My Right..

    Larry doesnt Mind..

    And..Its Larrys web Site..

    I Cannot and will not Excuse or Ignore any actions by the Bush Administration or its members..

    And I will Express my opinions any way I want..

    Just Like Larry..

    If you dont like it..

    Dont read It..

    The Republicans demanded that Bill Clinton confess his Sins…Spent 85 million tax dollars going after Him..

    He Confess his sins….asked for Forgiveness..Admitted his Poor Judgement..and it WAS..

    Now Im waiting for President Bush and members of his Administration to do the Same thing..

    Right now its still in the COVER UP Phase..

    I did Not have SEX with the Neo`Cons..My only mistake was to Say..”Bring It On” and “Wanted Dead or Alive..”

    Well..The Radical islamist did bring it On..

    and American troops are also”Wanted dead or Alive”

    and have been placed into a Killing Field..

    and since my navy seal son in Law came home from active duty in a Casket..Uniform On..

    I know the Vaslue of a Servicemans Life…and the terrible Loss to a family..

    I am sorry that my grandson and many other children will grown up without a Parent..who died as a result of the decisions of this administration…

    or who are without arms or legs..and suffer terrible injury..

    None of that was Necessary or Required as a National policy of Response to the Events of 9/11 based on the Information nwe were given..
    AT THAT TIME..

    Thats why many of Us Speak out..

    If any of you have survived TWO Tours
    of duty in Iraq…and feel good about all the death and killing..and had your friends…sons or daughters Killed in this War..and want to hug Bush for sending them and you there un`necessarily..

    Feel free to respond..

    And tell me Why..

  • Brenda Stewart

    Oh my Dear Pat Henry, I am so sorry for your loss…it was so needless and unnecessary. I want to tell the stru and con jobs here from the other side of the fence that ont only did Mr. Wilson go to verify the Niger facts there were two, mind you two military officers who did the very same thing and came back with the very same answer that Mr. Wilson did.

    I ask you to please not to come here or any where else that tries to hold things together around the truth in reality, and go someplace where you can preach to those who will belive your filth. You are not very welcome here as far as I am concerned. If you had any viability on any of yoru filth, it would be different, but we all know the difference and so do you. Making excuses for anything that is wrong and not right and a lie is making you look very foolish. I for the life of me can obelieve you all have the ordacity to even speak this stuff out in the open, expecting others to believe in you. YOu are actually making matters worse for the WH and Mr. Libby. YOu realy are. Give us all a break, if you will. Take a xanax and go lie down for awhile. YOu might feel better after that one….you really sound very wound up and no place to go, but down.

  • Rich

    Patrick Henry,

    First, I would like to say I am truly sorry for your loss. I know it probably won’t mean much to you, but my wife and I have done as much as we can to support the troops. We have bought, packed and shipped over a hundred boxes of you name it to Iraq and Aphganistan and we are constantly writing and communicating with them.

    What we hear is that they want our support and the support of the politicians. Save the arguments for later, complete the mission. They are proud of what they are doing.

    I have no real way to know the truth regarding the Iraq war debate so I need to rely on who sounds credible to me. We rely on what the troops tell us, as well as some bloggers like Yon.

    It’s hard to see through the fog of politics

    And there’s the rub…it comes down to credibility.

    Here’s what I see…

    I see Joe Wilson covering the tracks of his mining deals in Niger and then cracking book deals about a bogus scandal
    I see Larry Johnson pimping for Joe Wilson
    I see Larry Johnson working with the likes of Jason Leopold
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/16/AR2006061601754.html

    I see John Murtha hugging up to Code Pink who mock our injured troops outside hospitals and send money to the same terrorists who are trying to kill our troops
    I see John Murtha trying to convict our troops to life in prison
    I see John Murtha cutting backroom deals with Nancy Pelosi(Socialist Party, CA) for a leadership position
    I see Dick Durbin calling our troops Nazis
    I see Joe Wilson sitting next to Cindy Sheehan sitting next to John Conyers (Socialist Party, MI) at a foolish mock trial
    I see Joe Wilson sitting next to Michael Moore sitting next to Jimmy Carter
    I’ve seen John Kerry trying to install a Communist Sandinista party in Central America
    I’ve seen Sen. Dodd and Sen. Torricelli (Mob Party, NJ) sell our agents and our country out just to sleep with Bianca Jagger
    I see all of them getting pimped by a foreigner named George Soros with bags of money
    Everyday I see a Democratic Party that is turning socialist by the day and has co-opted the worst of America

    Larry Johnson and Joe Wilson are not credible spokespersons…period

    You can’t sway opinions by hanging out with the likes of these people.

  • http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/06/michael_barone_.html#more Rusty

    Rich,

    Congratulations, you are a brainwashed shithead.

  • MissScarlett

    “The contributors to this commentary who are from the–how shall I put it?–right wing of the American political scene, if they’ve been paying attention, should know that citing CNN, FOX or the Weekly Standard will not cut it with those of us who seek the reality, not the invented reality in these matters.”

    I would be interested in knowing what sources do cut it with the reality seekers. What sources do you consider reliable? Authoritative? Unimpeachable? It’s a serious question and I would appreciate a serious response.

  • http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com jurassicpork

    Larry, I have a theory as to why you’re suddenly infested with wingnuts. Maybe they thought you were Charles Johnson and got lost on their way to Little Green Footballs.

    Since Tom DeLay’s now out of a job, why don’t you give him a call about your infestation?

  • Chris Vosburg

    Mishu writes: “2003-1997=6. Christ. This douche bag is fudging his math just to spread more fucking lies.”

    By “douche bag,” I presume you mean Larry Johnson.

    [sigh] Mishu, you ignorant slut.

    Larry’s point– that the nature and scope of Valerie Wilson’s employment satisfies the conditions set by the law under discussion– is not related to the length of time that Valerie has been stationed in the US.

    Rather, he has said– repeatedly, ignoramus– that Valerie lived in this country for that period yet made several journies abroad in service to it.

    After you’ve apologized to Larry, slap yourself in the face a few times for me.

    Thanks, Mishu!

  • Chris Vosburg

    Verner writes: “You people are forgetting something important. It was TRUE that Valerie Plame recommended her husband for the job”

    A lie.

    I’m calling you out, punk. Make your argument.

  • Chris Vosburg

    Seixon writes: “I’m fairly confident that Plame was NOC, but I am not confident that she was “covert” under the IIPA. That’s a difference.”

    Thanks for that, Seixon; best laugh I’ve had in weeks.

  • Chris Vosburg

    Seixon, the dolt that keeps on giving, writes: “She [Valerie] has quit the CIA, is there any reason why this information cannot be publicly commented?”

    Man, are you really this obtuse? Are you actually so bloody stupid that you think that once an employee of “the company”– or any company for that matter– retires, they are suddenly freed from nondisclosure agreements?

    [shaking head]

  • Chris Vosburg

    Seixon writes: “Ah, so that’s what passes for evidence that Rove knew Plame was NOC.”

    A document identifying her as the wife of Joe Wilson and further– and falsely– claiming that she was responsible for his selection was in circulation among White House staff in the week prior to Novak’s story.

    Novak’s story made the same allegation the document in question did.

    Rove, according to his own testimony, is unable to remember where he first heard this.

    Thus we are asked to believe that Karl Rove, who has made his living for the past few decades conducting “opposition research,” is the kind of guy who doesn’t do his homework; he is unaware of the nature of Valerie’s relationship with the CIA.

  • Chris Vosburg

    As schoolmasters often say, Seixon:

    “The conclusion is left as an exercise for the student.”

  • Chris Vosburg

    Rich writes: “I’ve seen Sen. Dodd and Sen. Torricelli (Mob Party, NJ) sell our agents and our country out just to sleep with Bianca Jagger”

    Wow, both of ‘em? And you watched?

  • RJJ

    Rich writes: “I’ve seen Sen. Dodd and Sen. Torricelli (Mob Party, NJ) sell our agents and our country out just to sleep with Bianca Jagger”

    Noting how a single incident with specific names and faces supposedly witnessed by some catering service temp is so much more effective than the second-hand reports of obscure operatives pimping whole squads of anonymous hookers behind closed doors.

    Smells like agitporn chum. The invidia diddle never fails.

  • kim

    So who suggested Joe, and who sent him, and how was he behested?
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  • chris Holte

    Just reading the comments after reading the main post here. Are there still people arguing that Valerie Plame wasn’t a NOC (by definition someone who had done undercover work within 5 years of the date in question)? And they are arguing by whether the government officially states so?

    That is an Orwellian argument. If she wasn’t a NOC there would have been no investigation and no indictment of Scooter libby for lying on the subject. If the evidence cannot be released, presented at trial or questioned, then how can anyone prove what actually happened. If the release of such evidence is treated as the real crime, how can we not say we are living in Orwellian times?

    Aren’t republicans supposed to be in love with the Constitution? Where does this show any compatibility with the traditions of freedom and democracy?

    The real issue here is that we are developing an Orwellian society. The CIA by definition doesn’t normally admit who is NOC and who is not. Any revelations on the subject unless official are usually also highly illegal. The whole system is trending towards being completely unaccountable and treating any kind of questioning of it as disloyal and traitorous.

    these are not the best of times.

  • kim

    So show me the referral letter.
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  • Larry Johnson

    I’ll say it again for the terminally stupid such as Kim. Valerie was a NOC. Although she was based in the United States, she traveled overseas on temporary duty assignments (aka TDY) and therefore was covered by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Moreover, she was transitioning to an Official Cover position, which would still have covered her under the IIPA.

  • SusanUnPC

    Kim — besides the two military officers sent to Niger to check out the yellowcake story (as Brenda points out above) — Joe Wilson was a good choice as a highly experienced diplomat who had served BOTH in NIGER (the supposed seller) and in IRAQ (the supposed buyer).

    Further, Wilson gained unforgettable respect worldwide for his courageous stand against Saddam Hussein on the eve of the Gulf War.

    Wilson knew better than most human beings beyond Iraqis about what Saddam is like, and of what he is capable.

    Wilson also served in OTHER African countries besides Niger, so he knew the continent and the relationships between its nations well.

    And, who said that sending Wilson to Niger would be the end-all-be-all on the yellowcake question? Nobody that I’ve ever read.

    Wilson was one of MANY experts who called out the badly forged documents for what they were: Phonies. (Sort of, ahem, like most of the sadly histrionic defenders of Bush.)

  • kim

    So, LJ, show me the referral letter, and Su, you haven’t told me who sent him, or who suggested him. Also, did he do a good job, there?

    Someone please explain the fact that in 1999, French intelligence figured out that African mines economically unusable for the regulated market were being worked for the black market, and that a thriving trade in yellow cake had risen. You are ignoring that, but it’s true.
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  • kim

    Are you aware, Su, that in a 2/6/03 op-ed in the LATimes, Joe Wilson argued against invading Iraq for fear that Saddam Hussein would use his biological and chemical weapons on our troops? Don’t you find that curious? You could look it up.
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  • SusanUnPC

    Patrick Henry has a style of posting. Having exchanged many e-mails with him, I can also say that he’s a good guy.

    Leave it to the lowest of the low to make fun of another person’s posting style.

    Poisoned: The people who are posting nasty remarks here.

    A human being can be easily brought down by the company he keeps. If he reads Ann Coulter and Byron York, if he listens to Bill O’Reilly and Rush, he’ll be poisoned. Worse, his heart and soul will shrivel up like a dessicated prune.

    Real conservatives stay away from such spew because they know how the exposure poisons them. Yesterday, I listened to a very intelligent panel/audience from the Hudson Institute, a rather conservative body, about a new book on honor. I saw Byron York sitting in the back — I hoped he soaked up the more reasoned, highly educated comments of the conservatives.

    And I so wished that the poisoned harpies of the right would avail themselves of such enlightened discourse, if only to regain their hearts and souls.

    We here would welcome informed and rational discourse with true conservatives. But, we’re seeing nothing of the sort visiting this blog. That’s sad. But, as long as they mimic the likes of Coulter and O’Reilly, they won’t be capable of meaningful dialogue.

  • kim

    It’s last quarter, Larry, and your quarterback, Joe, is getting tired. And the fullback, unknown Johannesen, is playing hurt.
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  • kim

    I heard a good one the other day, Su, it referred to the shriveled bleeding hearts of the liberals who have no sympathy for the Purple Fingered Majesty of the enfranchisement of nine million Iraqis. That’s only one American dead for three thousand new democrats.

    A stiff, but fair, price. Be glad we can make it.
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  • SusanUnPC

    Kim wrote: “Are you aware, Su, that in a 2/6/03 op-ed in the LATimes, Joe Wilson argued against invading Iraq for fear that Saddam Hussein would use his biological and chemical weapons on our troops? Don’t you find that curious? You could look it up.”

    That’s somehow bad? That relates to what? And how? Implies? Reveals? Is that supposed to be an ad hominem attack on Wilson in some way? Kim, it’s not helpful to logical discourse to be unresponsive to the replies, and simply post unthreaded new, supposed attacks. (Switching attacks — or is in the bag of cheap tricks used by Coulter and O’Reilly.)

    A lot of people — including me — worried about chemical/bio attacks on our troops.

    I didn’t know if Saddam still had WMDs. A few people said he didn’t but, given the outside chance he just might, it was wise to be prudent.

    One of the key contributions of the 2006 book, Cobra II, is that it enlightened us as to Saddam’s lack of fortrightness about WMDs. And, from his perspective, his evasiveness (even with his own generals) makes sense: He didn’t want Iran to know that he had no WMDs.

    The real point, Kim, is that Saddam’s WMDs weren’t an immediate threat to the U.S. (I’m shaking my head.)

  • kim

    I agree, it was wise to be prudent. And if it was thought that Saddam had WMD, then it was wise and prudent to remove him from power before he used, or allowed someone else to use, them against us. We really don’t have any disagreement here.

    I was in the 20% of pre-war Americans who believed that no-fly zones, and UN inspections were neutralizing Saddam’s threat. Duelfer and Rossett have convinced me otherwise. And there is no Christian like a convert. And there is no believer in Bush like someone who used to despise him. He is CEO of the World and building stakeholder value for everyone, even the sullen ones.
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  • http://profile.typekey.com/seixon/ Seixon

    Vosburg,

    “Thanks for that, Seixon; best laugh I’ve had in weeks.”

    Because…?

    “Man, are you really this obtuse? Are you actually so bloody stupid that you think that once an employee of “the company”– or any company for that matter– retires, they are suddenly freed from nondisclosure agreements?”

    Larry and other CIA agents seem to have no problem talking all about the fact that they were working for the CIA once they are out. Why can’t Plame or Wilson go on the record and say that Plame was in fact covert under the IIPA? That wouldn’t be violating anything under any kind of non-disclosure agreement.

    “A document identifying her as the wife of Joe Wilson and further– and falsely– claiming that she was responsible for his selection was in circulation among White House staff in the week prior to Novak’s story.”

    The document described Plame as a WMD managerial type, not an NOC officer. So again, where’s the evidence that Rove knew she was NOC? The evidence seems to indicate the precise opposite.

    “Thus we are asked to believe that Karl Rove, who has made his living for the past few decades conducting “opposition research,” is the kind of guy who doesn’t do his homework; he is unaware of the nature of Valerie’s relationship with the CIA.”

    Or, we can see from the evidence, such as the INR memo you just mentioned, that everyone got the WRONG information on Plame, which said she was a WMD analyst managerial type.

    Your false premise supposes that Rove was trying to do research on Plame to out her. Yet, in the case he wasn’t, all he would have known would have been from the INR memo, which he may or may not have read himself.

    Which is odd since Rove said precisely what it says in the INR memo, information that was not accurate and did not describe her as a covert CIA employee.

  • http://profile.typekey.com/seixon/ Seixon

    Johnson,

    “I’ll say it again for the terminally stupid such as Kim. Valerie was a NOC. Although she was based in the United States, she traveled overseas on temporary duty assignments (aka TDY) and therefore was covered by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Moreover, she was transitioning to an Official Cover position, which would still have covered her under the IIPA.”

    See what gets me is that Wilson has his goons (like you) going around saying it but he never does so himself. Why is that?

    It’s akin to the Leopold story… obviously someone planted the story with Jason so that someone (wink, wink) could allege something they wanted alleged without having to stand behind it officially.

    It’s the same MO, and I see you and your friends covered in it.

  • Chris Vosburg

    Kim babbles: “I agree, it was wise to be prudent. And if it was thought that Saddam had WMD, then it was wise and prudent to remove him from power before he used, or allowed someone else to use, them against us. We really don’t have any disagreement here.”

    Of course we do, silly.

    Containment, via UN inspectors and such, was wise and prudent. Invasion was comic-book brinksmanship.

    [sigh] Do you even read what you write, Kim? Do you have any idea just how stupid you sound?

  • Chris Vosburg

    Seixon lies: “The document described Plame as a WMD managerial type, not an NOC officer.”

    Another lie. The document made no such claim.

    Seixon also writes: “So again, where’s the evidence that Rove knew she was NOC? The evidence seems to indicate the precise opposite.”

    As you already no doubt know, the document was itself tagged “secret,” and paragraphs within it pertaining to Valerie were individually tagged “snf” which is shorthand for “secret no foreign.” That is enough to warn the reader away from dissemination to unauthorized persons.

    Look, Seixon, We pay jackasses like Karl Rove to be responsible and grown up in the performance of their duties.

    Karl Rove has been a player for decades as I pointed out, and may well be one of the most well-informed men in Washington; It’s his god damn job to know this stuff.

    Joe Wilson’s bona fides have never really been at issue in any intelligent assessment of the story and Karl Rove surely knows this.

    Valerie Plame had nothing to do with the decision to call on Joe to investigate the yellowcake acquisition rumors, and Karl Rove knows this too; he’s no fool.

    But you are, and Karl knows that you are just enough of a fool– and importantly, enough of a fascist– to buy into the innuendo he’s floated in an incredibly petty and creepy attempt to discredit Joe Wilson’s evidence that the administration lied about the yellowcake acquisition.

    In a way I envy you: it’s so simple for you; Inhale Talking Points, Exhale Lies.

    For the rest of us, blighted with the ravages of intelligence, it’s more complicated than that.

  • Chris Vosburg

    Seixon writes: “See what gets me is that Wilson has his goons (like you) going around saying it but he never does so himself. Why is that?”

    Valerie has said that the CIA has asked her not to talk about it. Joe respects this. See how simple?

    Why this is so important to you is beyond me, but nevertheless, that’s the whole story, loudmouthed oaf.

    Now, one good turn deserves another: How about shutting the fuck up for awhile? Your ignorance is tiresome.

  • Chris Vosburg

    Although I have no illusions, Seixon, that you’ll let this deter you from beating the hell out of this issue like the deadest fucking horse that it is–

    Those of us who read newspapers from time to time have been aware for years now that reporters pursuing the issue in the aftermath of the exposure of Valerie as a CIA operative had no trouble finding plenty of CIA officials who confirmed– all anonymously, as you might expect– that Valerie was in fact, covert.

    Incidentally, don’t ask me to look ‘em up for you. Do it yourself, as practice for the role you may yet one day assume: intelligent lifeform.

  • kim

    Containment wasn’t working via Duelfer and Rossett, and, by the way, where’s the letter, Vosburg. Or, better;

    Where’s The Letter, Johnson?
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  • http://profile.typekey.com/seixon/ Seixon

    Vosburg,

    “Another lie. The document made no such claim.”

    Quote from the INR memo:

    “In a February 12, 2002, meeting convened by Valerie Wilson, a CIA WMD manager, and the wife of Joe Wilson…”

    See the doc here: http://www.nysun.com/pics/31062_2.php

    A lie? Really?

    “As you already no doubt know, the document was itself tagged “secret,” and paragraphs within it pertaining to Valerie were individually tagged “snf” which is shorthand for “secret no foreign.” That is enough to warn the reader away from dissemination to unauthorized persons.”

    EVERY paragraph in the entire memo were tagged that way, which belie the notion that anyone would be able to see that Wilson’s details were the sensitive bit.

    “Valerie Plame had nothing to do with the decision to call on Joe to investigate the yellowcake acquisition rumors, and Karl Rove knows this too; he’s no fool.”

    I see, so Rove instructed the State Department to write an incorrect memo filled with lies that the media would later use after the SSCI inquiry also entered them into evidence. Aha! It’s all a conspiracy!

    “In a way I envy you: it’s so simple for you; Inhale Talking Points, Exhale Lies.”

    As opposed to you, who’s still in denial about the contents of the INR memo.

    “Valerie has said that the CIA has asked her not to talk about it. Joe respects this. See how simple?”

    Yes, simple in the way that you will take everything the Wilsons say at face value without any scrutiny at all.

    “Now, one good turn deserves another: How about shutting the fuck up for awhile? Your ignorance is tiresome.”

    The first sign you are losing a debate: start telling other people to shut up.

    My ignorance has shown to be kicking your ass as to the facts, ones which you are ignoring because you’ve been duped into believing the tale the Wilsons and Johnson have peddled.

    “Those of us who read newspapers from time to time have been aware for years now that reporters pursuing the issue in the aftermath of the exposure of Valerie as a CIA operative had no trouble finding plenty of CIA officials who confirmed– all anonymously, as you might expect– that Valerie was in fact, covert.”

    Yet none of them have published this as fact, other than David Corn who is deep within the Wilson camp. Strange!

  • Patrick Henry

    Happy Fathers Day to All Dads who Post here..

    And to you Mothers who have the Burden of having to Be Both to your children..

    God Bless you..

    Let Us Hope Our Children Have a Future..

    And Good Role Models..

  • kim

    Hear, hear.
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  • kim

    I’m not scholarly enough to source it but an additional decade over the traditional three and a half is offered for those able to bear the labor and sorrow.
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  • Chris Vosburg

    Seixon quotes from the INR memo: “In a February 12, 2002, meeting convened by Valerie Wilson, a CIA WMD manager, and the wife of Joe Wilson…”

    Conspicuous in its absence is substantiation of your claim that the memo said that Valerie was not a NOC.

    I suppose it’d be possible to misinterpret the statement above as such, i.e., that “Manager” and “NOC” are mutually exclusive, but not even you’d be dumb enough to jump to such an unwarranted conclusion.

    Oh wait, I guess you did. Okay, Seixon, tell you what: I apologize for characterizing your statement concerning this as a lie. You’re merely very, very dumb. Hope honor is satisfied on this count.

    Seixon plows ahead: “EVERY paragraph in the entire memo were tagged that way (secret, no foreign), which belie the notion that anyone would be able to see that Wilson’s details were the sensitive bit.”

    Not true. Read again and pay attention. Some paragraphs also are marked ORCOM, and if you’ll look at the last paragraph, for example, you’ll see that it’s marked C//NF.

    This is irrelevant in any case. The paragraph pertaining to Valerie is marked snf, just like I said, and it makes no difference whether or not other paragraphs are or are not– obviously.

    Seixon finds his stride: “Yet none of them have published this [the fact that several CIA officials have confirmed that Valerie was covert] as fact, other than David Corn who is deep within the Wilson camp. Strange!

    I told you I wasn’t going to do your legwork, you lazy lackwit, but your complete lack of resourcefulness has touched me, so here’s a freebie:

    One of the earliest to weigh in on this subject was Newsday, July 22, 2003, Timothy M. Phelps and Knut Royce: “Intelligence officials confirmed to Newsday yesterday that Valerie Plame, wife of retired Ambassador Joseph Wilson, works at the agency on weapons of mass destruction issues in an undercover capacity…”

    Ther are many, many more. Take your fingers out of your ears, stop hollering “lalalalalalalala” and go find them.

    Can’t resist. Seixon also writes: “My ignorance has shown to be kicking your ass as to the facts…”

    Boy, I’ll say.

  • Thinker

    My take: Wilson was/is part of the old guard who was conveniently wheeled in to support a rush job on Saddam, who in the words of a member of the present Iraqi leadership was guilty of only being “greedy and stupid”.

    Saddam went into scupper Kuwaiti oil and not to take sovereignty. All other talk is propaganda. But again attention has been diverted from your excellent post, Larry (albeit borrowed).

    “No amount of lies and distortions can give us back a sense of legitimacy in our press and our government. Only a long record of honest, competent, and legal performance can do that. We are not undermining the Establishment. We’re just documenting the atrocities.”

    That is what it all about. Lock, stock and barrell. When ‘speaking out’ becomes unpatriotic big brother has won. Personally, I think our white lights need to do much more that talking. We have an elected dictatorship here in Australia as with the US. But here we have a more perfect dictatorship as when the Liberals (Republicans) control federal politics, Labour (Democrats) control State politics. And vice versa. Australia relies on Trade Unions and Independents to win the paltry social justice mercies occassionally won. You know, it is funny that not a single political voice in US, UK and Australia spoke out (with any vigour) prior to the war on Iraq. Yet now members of both sides of the house are starting to mud sling. This ‘shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted’ politics must stop. I don’t forget what was said before and nor should anyone else.

    If I can summarise everything. Here is the opening line of my book The Good Samaritan in the Modern Age: “Mankind inherently projects self interest making that which challenges self interest the root of denial.”

    All sides ponder that a while.

  • CK

    At the risk of being all pear-shaped about this, who benefitted from the outing of Brewster-Jennings and the subsequent roll-up of that cover operations assets?
    Novak outed Plame and then a week later he comes back to the story to specifically out Brewster-Jennings.
    That never made any sense, Wilson was the story, outing his wife was “magician’s assistant” type misdirection and an attempt to appear to discredit by implying nepotism. Wilson has no connection to B-J so why does Novak out them.
    B-J appears to have been a decade long operation, that is a large cat to walk back.

  • Leslie

    Novak exposed Brewster Jennings the moment he wrote Plame worked for the CIA. Lies leading to war with Iraq, and now lies may lead to war with Iran. If the Bush administration is caught lying, they blame the CIA for poor intelligence. Who benefits indeed?

  • Leslie

    Oh, forgot to add, I don’t know what Brewster Jennings was working on…but Plame was reportedly tracking WMD to Iran. If her intelligence operation was blown, then won’t that hurt our intelligence capabilities on Iran? In which case, wouldn’t that make it easier for the Bush administration to push lies about the threat Iran poses? It also sends the CIA a message: If the Bush administration says black is white, the CIA better confirm it or else.

    But I’m just guessing here…

  • Tom Maguire

    From Chris Vosburg:

    ‘Valerie Plame had nothing to do with the decision to call on Joe to investigate the yellowcake acquisition rumors, and Karl Rove knows this too; he’s no fool.”

    From Patrick Fitzgerald’s indictment of I. Lewis Libby:

    “7. On or about June 11, 2003, LIBBY spoke with a senior officer of the CIA to ask about the origin and circumstances of Wilson’s trip, and was advised by the CIA officer that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA and was believed to be responsible for sending Wilson on the trip.”

    Tough call – do we back Vosburg, with his vast psychic and comedic powers, or Fitzgerald, who only had the ability to get testimony from folks like Robert Grenier of the CIA?

    Here is a link to the indictment:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801086.html

    It may be too early, since this thread is just heating up, but the funniest thing I have read so far has to be this:

    “Seixon quotes from the INR memo: “In a February 12, 2002, meeting convened by Valerie Wilson, a CIA WMD manager, and the wife of Joe Wilson…”

    Conspicuous in its absence is substantiation of your claim that the memo said that Valerie was not a NOC.

    I suppose it’d be possible to misinterpret the statement above as such, i.e., that “Manager” and “NOC” are mutually exclusive, but not even you’d be dumb enough to jump to such an unwarranted conclusion.”

    That, of course, is from the same Chris V who first wrote this:

    “Seixon lies: “The document described Plame as a WMD managerial type, not an NOC officer.”

    Another lie. The document made no such claim.”

    I just love the clarification, which amounts to, ‘well, it did say she was a manager, but obviously that could only mean NOC’. Obviously.

    Since Chris V is a nauthority on the classification scheme used in the INR memo, he surely noted a glaring, tell-tale clue – the classification authority for the memo is listed as the head of the INR. What is missing is any footnote citing the CIA as the classification authority for the Plame tidbit.

    If the paper had been prepared with knowledge that Ms. Plame’s status was classified, that would have obliged the author to cite the CIA as the classification authority for that isolated fact. These rules are in place so that, years later when folks are declassifying documents, they know where to go to see if particular bits of info still need to be kept secret.

    Fascinating, yes? Anyone familiar with the rules for classifed docs would know right away that either Ms. Plame could *not* be a NOC, or that the State Dept author had made an error in preparing the memo.

    So, depending on how carefully folks read the memo and how much faith they had in State, they might well have concluded that Ms. Plame was, as described, just a CIA manager.

  • CK

    Leslie
    To anyone who wished to do some searching or backtracking, B-J could have been outed by Novak’s first article. Yet he went back a week later in a second article and specifically outed B-J. In the interim between his two articles, for whatever reason, no mention of B-J appears anywhere else in the media.
    If the issue was nepotism by Plame in getting her husband a travelling brief to Niger; why the go-back and redirect attention?

  • Leslie

    CK,
    Good question. To send the strongest message possible: The Bush administration will not tolerate dissension and the CIA is expendable.

  • Tom Maguire

    From upthread:

    “To anyone who wished to do some searching or backtracking, B-J could have been outed by Novak’s first article. Yet he went back a week later in a second article and specifically outed B-J. In the interim between his two articles, for whatever reason, no mention of B-J appears anywhere else in the media.”

    “He went back a week later”? Actually, he went back 24 business hours later – the Brewster-Jennings “outing” was in Oct 2003, a mere two and a half months after the Plame outing.

    Let’s see, here is the WaPo:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct3?language=printer

    Here is Novak’s column, explaining his motivation:

    “Following a meeting with the agents of the Warlord Zaron, who had already announced his plans to vaporize…”

    Sorry, here we go:

    On the same day in 1999 that retired diplomat Joseph Wilson was returned $1,000 of $2,000 he contributed to Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore a month earlier because it exceeded the federal limit, his CIA-employee wife gave $1,000 to Gore using a fictitious identification for herself.

    In making her April 22, 1999, contribution, Valerie E. Wilson identified herself as an “analyst” with “Brewster-Jennings & Associates.” No such firm is listed anywhere, but the late Brewster Jennings was president of Socony-Vacuum oil company a half-century ago. Any CIA employee working under “non-official cover” always is listed with a real firm, but never an imaginary one.
    END EXCERPT

    http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/robertnovak/2003/10/04/168651.html

    I’m guessing, but he outed Brewster-Jennings to, hmm, show it was a weak, shoddy cover probably not befitting an active NOC? Nah.

    But no one wants to hear from me – let’s cut to Josh Marshall:

    “The truth, however, is that Novak’s televised mention of Plame’s ‘employer’ is a non-issue — at least in terms of doing further damage.

    The damage was done on July 14th when he first mentioned her name.

    The point here is what foreign intelligence agencies (and to a lesser extent transnational corporations and perhaps terrorist groups) are able to find out. And you can rest assured that from the moment she was fingered as a CIA agent in a prominent nationally-syndicated newspaper column, all of them ran her name to map out her lists of associations and activities.”
    END EXCERPT

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/002046.php

  • Chris Vosburg

    More than willing to let Tom’s weak straw-grasping serve as the final word.

    Good luck with that “thread-heating” thing, Tom!

  • Mr.Murder

    “Leslie
    To anyone who wished to do some searching or backtracking, B-J could have been outed by Novak’s first article. Yet he went back a week later in a second article and specifically outed B-J. In the interim between his two articles, for whatever reason, no mention of B-J appears anywhere else in the media.
    If the issue was nepotism by Plame in getting her husband a travelling brief to Niger; why the go-back and redirect attention?

    Posted by: CK |”

    Initially he went after Plame’s political donor status. Bush was simply spying on Kerry donors to politicize the campaign and it turned out he came upon the gold mine of nonproliferation that monitors of all Cheney’s potential international business in the energy sector.

    The kinds of search engines they employ now just about fishes out everything in the area. “Related and unrelated” as Rummy would say.

    The trifecta was hit. Brewster capped Iraq, Halliburton/Bechtel interests, and the nuke proliferation wanted to make the Star Wars boondoggle pary of the plan.

    Mission Accomplished.

  • CK

    Leslie, Tom and Mr. Murder thank you for the responses.
    I had not realized that B-J was an imaginary firm. I had thought it was one of the many CIA created cover firms that actually did intelligence gathering while allowing the CIA to maintain an arm’s length deniability should anything untoward happen.
    I have to still wonder how many other NOC’s and assets were exposed following the exposure of B-J. Or was Ms. Plame the only employee?

  • kim

    There were other ex-CIA putting B-J on their internet resumes, which have since been flushed down the memory hole. The resumes, not the people.

    Oh, yeah, I did say ‘which’. But, is that precise enough, today?
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  • RC

    Since trouble is my business, and it pays well, I’ll do what I can, in honor of the Angelic Tenor, Mario Nitrini III.
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  • Mr.Murder

    Cheney kept going back to the CIA- something unprecedented for a VP at any time in history.

    He was sending out a flood of BS and trying to deduct exactly how or where the review apparatus was acting at.

    Why so? As the Forntline program just noted- bolton was Cheney’s man put it an State to undermine Powell.

    Bolton and Elizabeth Cheney(Near East affairs at State) were part of the Cheney putsch to control the review of intelligence and shape foreign policy.

    Cheney kept going back to push through the ongoing underhanded efforts of Bolton.

  • Mr.Murder

    Frontline*
    Cheney didn’t know exactly where his stuff was getting debunked, he kept going back and leaning on people until he could find it out.

    You’d have to see who the person that accompanied CHeney’s trips on behalf of CIA was or look at their Sgt. at Arm’s notes, or whatever person and title works similar capacity at CIA.

  • kim

    Cheney and his WAR FOR OIL. Who’s divvying up Iraq’s oil, now? Well, it’s no longer France, Germany and Russia.
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