Comments on: “Black Box Voting” Part 1 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/ Sun, 27 May 2012 06:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: “Black Box Voting” Part 2 : NO QUARTER http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1204356 “Black Box Voting” Part 2 : NO QUARTER Wed, 13 May 2009 12:45:48 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1204356 [...] is Part 2 of the article “Black Box Backlash,” the conclusion of Part 1 on Bev Harris, Black Box Voting, and the issue of leaving our democracy to electronic voting [...] [...] is Part 2 of the article “Black Box Backlash,” the conclusion of Part 1 on Bev Harris, Black Box Voting, and the issue of leaving our democracy to electronic voting [...]

]]> By: QUEENIE http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1204273 QUEENIE Wed, 13 May 2009 01:55:17 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1204273 you better read this ..Kelvin Mace at DU is the David Allen you mentioned in your post here. The Bev Harris story for newbies and those who have forgotten http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188 then there is this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x108750 and do not miss this ..attack of Bill Clinton by Bev Harris: Bev painted herself as a liberal activist (lately she strives for the status of a non-partisan) which she is not. She ran an anti-Clinton product site (Bev Dudley is Bev's real name and Talion is her company): http://web.archive.org/web/19991112034903/http://www.talion.com/cigar.htm Keith Olbermann after 2004 election on Bev Harris: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6533008 Randi Rhodes on Bev Harris after 2004 election http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/14/182917/13 http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... (Bev claimed that Randi's show raised only $23,000 for her. Insiders put the figure at $300,000) Bev smears Keith Olbermann AND the Democratic Party http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ShowMeTheVote/message/119 this is just for starters!! you better read this ..Kelvin Mace at DU is the David Allen you mentioned in your post here.

The Bev Harris story for newbies and those who have forgotten

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203×340188

then there is this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203×108750

and do not miss this ..attack of Bill Clinton by Bev Harris:

Bev painted herself as a liberal activist (lately she strives for the status of a non-partisan) which she is not. She ran an anti-Clinton product site (Bev Dudley is Bev’s real name and Talion is her company):

http://web.archive.org/web/19991112034903/http://www.talion.com/cigar.htm

Keith Olbermann after 2004 election on Bev Harris:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6533008

Randi Rhodes on Bev Harris after 2004 election
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/14/182917/13
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

(Bev claimed that Randi’s show raised only $23,000 for her. Insiders put the figure at $300,000)

Bev smears Keith Olbermann AND the Democratic Party

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ShowMeTheVote/message/119

this is just for starters!!

]]> By: Kathleen Wynne http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1204015 Kathleen Wynne Tue, 12 May 2009 17:33:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1204015 JosefAL, I thought you might be interested in reading a summary of the first test done by Finnish computer security expert, Harri Hursti, which Black Box Voting brought over to see if he could change the final tally on a Diebld Optical Scan machine using only a memory card. This test will be shown in the last clips of the documentary which is being featured tomorrow night and on May 21st. http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-45.htm You also might be interested to know that at a Public Hearing in Cleveland, Ohio, which involved citizen testimony before the Cuyahoga County, Ohio Board of Elections against the purchase of these machines and Diebild representatives testifying in favor of the purchase of Diebold touchscreens for approximately 20 million of taxpayer dollars. At this public hearing, I videotaped and, along with Bev and many other citizens, testified before the Board. (BTW, this part of the documentary may be in one of tomorrow's nights clips). Bev and I traveled to Ohio to attend this public hearing to purposely set up the Diebold reps by asking them one important question and to get that answer on videotape. Bev Harris asked: "Can you change the votes in the Diebold optical scan machine using only a memory card?" The Diebold rep said "NO". Hursti's report proves that the Diebold rep lied to the Board. Nonetheless, in the end the Board trusted Diebold over the concerns of the citizens they are supposed to serve and bought the machines. They've since sent these same touchscreen into indefinite storage. Here's an article about what led to that: http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/43/will-your-vote-count Bottom line, any machine can be hacked and it counts votes in secret (it doesn't matter that you can see a screen telling you that your vote was cast). They've managed to hack into the pentagon's computer system (which I would expect to be one of the most secure systems one could have). The only way to stop this insane process for counting our votes is to return to hand counted paper ballots, at the precinct, on election night. JosefAL,

I thought you might be interested in reading a summary of the first test done by Finnish computer security expert, Harri Hursti, which Black Box Voting brought over to see if he could change the final tally on a Diebld Optical Scan machine using only a memory card. This test will be shown in the last clips of the documentary which is being featured tomorrow night and on May 21st.

http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-45.htm

You also might be interested to know that at a Public Hearing in Cleveland, Ohio, which involved citizen testimony before the Cuyahoga County, Ohio Board of Elections against the purchase of these machines and Diebild representatives testifying in favor of the purchase of Diebold touchscreens for approximately 20 million of taxpayer dollars.

At this public hearing, I videotaped and, along with Bev and many other citizens, testified before the Board. (BTW, this part of the documentary may be in one of tomorrow’s nights clips). Bev and I traveled to Ohio to attend this public hearing to purposely set up the Diebold reps by asking them one important question and to get that answer on videotape. Bev Harris asked: “Can you change the votes in the Diebold optical scan machine using only a memory card?” The Diebold rep said “NO”.

Hursti’s report proves that the Diebold rep lied to the Board. Nonetheless, in the end the Board trusted Diebold over the concerns of the citizens they are supposed to serve and bought the machines. They’ve since sent these same touchscreen into indefinite storage. Here’s an article about what led to that:

http://www.freetimes.com/stories/15/43/will-your-vote-count

Bottom line, any machine can be hacked and it counts votes in secret (it doesn’t matter that you can see a screen telling you that your vote was cast). They’ve managed to hack into the pentagon’s computer system (which I would expect to be one of the most secure systems one could have). The only way to stop this insane process for counting our votes is to return to hand counted paper ballots, at the precinct, on election night.

]]> By: JozefAL http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1204010 JozefAL Tue, 12 May 2009 17:07:45 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1204010 I'm not sure what your argument is. The machine was NOT "counting" votes; more likely, it was in the midst of storing information. The information in this case was WHAT VOTES HAD BEEN CAST up to that point and saving that information for retrieval when officials pull up the votes. You do understand how a computer operates, right? If you spend hours at the computer working on a project (whether for work or for school) and you step away from the computer (say to get a bite to eat or take a bathroom break) and your computer crashes, you're dead IF you hadn't saved your work before you left the computer. All that time spent working on that project is gone (sure, you might be able to recreate much of it but your original work is lost). If the material was saved to the hard drive, it can be retrieved (especially if you have certain programs and systems on your computer; it may be more costly, but a computer repair shop can retrieve it as well). If you didn't save it--in full or in part--it's gone forever (a computer repair shop *might* be able to retrieve it, but it might cost you a big chunk of cash to do so). I'd be willing to bet that was why the machine had that file. Out of curiosity, how do you suppose the election officials retrieve the vote toals anyway if there's no file that's "counting" the votes as they're processed? (Hint: When you use a calculator, the numbers you enter are put in a short-term storage that is good only up to the point where you enter another number. When you finish your calculation, the final number stays on the screen until you turn the calculator off or hit the "Clear" button or enter another number--and, rather surprisingly, if you'd hit any key other than the = after the last round of calculations, the calculator will continue its work.) The simple fact is that until those files with the totals are verified by election officials, they're not actually counted. I’m not sure what your argument is.
The machine was NOT “counting” votes; more likely, it was in the midst of storing information. The information in this case was WHAT VOTES HAD BEEN CAST up to that point and saving that information for retrieval when officials pull up the votes.
You do understand how a computer operates, right? If you spend hours at the computer working on a project (whether for work or for school) and you step away from the computer (say to get a bite to eat or take a bathroom break) and your computer crashes, you’re dead IF you hadn’t saved your work before you left the computer. All that time spent working on that project is gone (sure, you might be able to recreate much of it but your original work is lost). If the material was saved to the hard drive, it can be retrieved (especially if you have certain programs and systems on your computer; it may be more costly, but a computer repair shop can retrieve it as well). If you didn’t save it–in full or in part–it’s gone forever (a computer repair shop *might* be able to retrieve it, but it might cost you a big chunk of cash to do so). I’d be willing to bet that was why the machine had that file.
Out of curiosity, how do you suppose the election officials retrieve the vote toals anyway if there’s no file that’s “counting” the votes as they’re processed? (Hint: When you use a calculator, the numbers you enter are put in a short-term storage that is good only up to the point where you enter another number. When you finish your calculation, the final number stays on the screen until you turn the calculator off or hit the “Clear” button or enter another number–and, rather surprisingly, if you’d hit any key other than the = after the last round of calculations, the calculator will continue its work.) The simple fact is that until those files with the totals are verified by election officials, they’re not actually counted.

]]> By: FranSC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203927 FranSC Tue, 12 May 2009 09:25:19 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203927 I don't recall hearing any outrage from Dean about voter fraud of any kind. So, what did Howard Dean do? Use his acquired knowledge of how the BlackBox voting fraud works and then either use it in 2008 or at least look the other way while it was being used to benefit his hand-picked candidate, B0? Winning was just as important to him in 2008 as it had been in 2004 since he was by then the party chairman. I have no doubts that the BlackBox Voting occurred in the 2008 ge to benefit B0. I would bet almost anything that is how NC went "blue" in 2008 as well as others. Whether it was Dean's intention or not, incorporating the republican/red state caucus strategy into the 2008 dem primary (calling it the 50-state strategy) gamed the system in favor of B0 - but only for his candidacy. Why were all the other candidates not encouraged as well to participate? The culprits would not have been able to as easily stack the meetings with people outside the county and state for starters. It was supposedly one of Dean's top 3 geeks that discovered the "loophole" in the law that allowed them to use the caucus meetings in the republican states for only one of the democrats - Barack Obama. Dean would have used it if he had not stalled in Iowa in 2004! Instead, Dean gave the geek responsible for the discovery to the 0bama Campaign. Running up the delegate count in those red states that none of the other democrats participated in - including Hillary - is what made the difference for 0zero, except, of course, the additional delegates the R & B meeting of May 29th 2008 that GAVE 0 some of Hillary's delegates that amounted to over 500,000 voters. She got to keep the voter totals, but lost the delegates and the reason she was the winner in the popular vote, but the loser in delegates. Even with all the fraud and gaming of the system, he only beat Hillary by the number of caucus delegates he fraudulently won, the additional delegates taken from Hillary and given to him by the DNC, and as many super delegates as needed to put him over the top. The caucus system is even more sinister if misused than the BlackBox Voting problems. I hope this is being incorporated with the overall voter gaming. It cannot be left to the DNC to fix this. They have no incentive. This created a constitutional crisis of epic proportions. BTW I love your blog! I don’t recall hearing any outrage from Dean about voter fraud of any kind. So, what did Howard Dean do? Use his acquired knowledge of how the BlackBox voting fraud works and then either use it in 2008 or at least look the other way while it was being used to benefit his hand-picked candidate, B0? Winning was just as important to him in 2008 as it had been in 2004 since he was by then the party chairman.

I have no doubts that the BlackBox Voting occurred in the 2008 ge to benefit B0. I would bet almost anything that is how NC went “blue” in 2008 as well as others. Whether it was Dean’s intention or not, incorporating the republican/red state caucus strategy into the 2008 dem primary (calling it the 50-state strategy) gamed the system in favor of B0 – but only for his candidacy. Why were all the other candidates not encouraged as well to participate? The culprits would not have been able to as easily stack the meetings with people outside the county and state for starters.

It was supposedly one of Dean’s top 3 geeks that discovered the “loophole” in the law that allowed them to use the caucus meetings in the republican states for only one of the democrats – Barack Obama. Dean would have used it if he had not stalled in Iowa in 2004! Instead, Dean gave the geek responsible for the discovery to the 0bama Campaign.

Running up the delegate count in those red states that none of the other democrats participated in – including Hillary – is what made the difference for 0zero, except, of course, the additional delegates the R & B meeting of May 29th 2008 that GAVE 0 some of Hillary’s delegates that amounted to over 500,000 voters. She got to keep the voter totals, but lost the delegates and the reason she was the winner in the popular vote, but the loser in delegates. Even with all the fraud and gaming of the system, he only beat Hillary by the number of caucus delegates he fraudulently won, the additional delegates taken from Hillary and given to him by the DNC, and as many super delegates as needed to put him over the top.

The caucus system is even more sinister if misused than the BlackBox Voting problems. I hope this is being incorporated with the overall voter gaming. It cannot be left to the DNC to fix this. They have no incentive. This created a constitutional crisis of epic proportions.
BTW I love your blog!

]]> By: FranSC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203825 FranSC Tue, 12 May 2009 01:27:06 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203825 I don't recall hearing any outrage from Dean about voter fraud of any kind. So, what did Howard Dean do? Use his acquired knowledge of how the BlackBox voting fraud works and then either use it in 2008 or at least look the other way while it was being used to benefit his hand-picked candidate, B0? Winning was just as important to him in 2008 as it had been in 2004 since he was by then the party chairman. I have no doubts that the BlackBox Voting occurred in the 2008 ge to benefit B0. I would bet almost anything that is how NC went "blue" in 2008 as well as others. Whether it was Dean's intention or not, incorporating the republican/red state caucus strategy into the 2008 dem primary (calling it the 50-state strategy) gamed the system in favor of B0 - but only for his candidacy. Why were all the other candidates not encouraged as well to participate? The culprits would not have been able to as easily stack the meetings with people outside the county and state for starters. It was supposedly one of Dean's top 3 geeks that discovered the "loophole" in the law that allowed them to use the caucus meetings in the republican states for only one of the democrats - Barack Obama. Dean would have used it if he had not stalled in Iowa in 2004! Instead, Dean gave the geek responsible for the discovery to the 0bama Campaign. Running up the delegate count in those red states that none of the other democrats participated in - including Hillary - is what made the difference for 0zero, except, of course, the additional delegates the R & B meeting of May 29th 2008 that GAVE 0 some of Hillary's delegates that amounted to over 500,000 voters. She got to keep the voter totals, but lost the delegates and the reason she was the winner in the popular vote, but the loser in delegates. Even with all the fraud and gaming of the system, he only beat Hillary by the number of caucus delegates he fraudulently won, the additional delegates taken from Hillary and given to him by the DNC, and as many super delegates as needed to put him over the top. The caucus system is even more sinister if misused than the BlackBox Voting problems. I hope this is being incorporated with the overall voter gaming. It cannot be left to the DNC to fix this. They have no incentive. This created a constitutional crisis of epic proportions. I don’t recall hearing any outrage from Dean about voter fraud of any kind. So, what did Howard Dean do? Use his acquired knowledge of how the BlackBox voting fraud works and then either use it in 2008 or at least look the other way while it was being used to benefit his hand-picked candidate, B0? Winning was just as important to him in 2008 as it had been in 2004 since he was by then the party chairman.

I have no doubts that the BlackBox Voting occurred in the 2008 ge to benefit B0. I would bet almost anything that is how NC went “blue” in 2008 as well as others. Whether it was Dean’s intention or not, incorporating the republican/red state caucus strategy into the 2008 dem primary (calling it the 50-state strategy) gamed the system in favor of B0 – but only for his candidacy. Why were all the other candidates not encouraged as well to participate? The culprits would not have been able to as easily stack the meetings with people outside the county and state for starters.

It was supposedly one of Dean’s top 3 geeks that discovered the “loophole” in the law that allowed them to use the caucus meetings in the republican states for only one of the democrats – Barack Obama. Dean would have used it if he had not stalled in Iowa in 2004! Instead, Dean gave the geek responsible for the discovery to the 0bama Campaign.

Running up the delegate count in those red states that none of the other democrats participated in – including Hillary – is what made the difference for 0zero, except, of course, the additional delegates the R & B meeting of May 29th 2008 that GAVE 0 some of Hillary’s delegates that amounted to over 500,000 voters. She got to keep the voter totals, but lost the delegates and the reason she was the winner in the popular vote, but the loser in delegates. Even with all the fraud and gaming of the system, he only beat Hillary by the number of caucus delegates he fraudulently won, the additional delegates taken from Hillary and given to him by the DNC, and as many super delegates as needed to put him over the top.

The caucus system is even more sinister if misused than the BlackBox Voting problems. I hope this is being incorporated with the overall voter gaming. It cannot be left to the DNC to fix this. They have no incentive. This created a constitutional crisis of epic proportions.

]]> By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203816 Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Tue, 12 May 2009 00:48:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203816 It is a compelling series, isn't it? Upsetting, frightening, infuriating - all of that. I hope you can join us, but you can also go back and look over the entire chat, should you wish to do so. I also recommend "We Will Not Be Silenced," also available on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZFgMNM-UU. It is abt the caucus shenanigans last year. It is a compelling series, isn’t it? Upsetting, frightening, infuriating – all of that.

I hope you can join us, but you can also go back and look over the entire chat, should you wish to do so.

I also recommend “We Will Not Be Silenced,” also available on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGZFgMNM-UU. It is abt the caucus shenanigans last year.

]]> By: jbjd http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203815 jbjd Tue, 12 May 2009 00:47:11 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203815 Peggy Sue, makes you feel like you need to join a support group just to retain your sanity, huh. Peggy Sue, makes you feel like you need to join a support group just to retain your sanity, huh.

]]> By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203809 Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Tue, 12 May 2009 00:31:27 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203809 Not to be too O/T in my own post, but since I mentioned it above, here's a link abt SEIU and the CA stimulus funds: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cal-healthcare11-2009may11,0,1771873.story Wow - that's astonishing - the Unions are now calling the shots in the government. I guess it really IS Chicago-style politics writ large... Not to be too O/T in my own post, but since I mentioned it above, here’s a link abt SEIU and the CA stimulus funds: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cal-healthcare11-2009may11,0,1771873.story

Wow – that’s astonishing – the Unions are now calling the shots in the government. I guess it really IS Chicago-style politics writ large…

]]> By: Peggy Sue http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203808 Peggy Sue Tue, 12 May 2009 00:29:18 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203808 Amy, thank you for the U-tube link. I just spent the last hour+_looking and listening to the 1-9 parts of Hacking Democracy. Horrifying! Much thanks to Bev Harris and her colleagues for putting this material together, the unsung time and energy and the dogged stubborness to route out the bad players. I was never convinced that GW won the election in 2000. But I had Republican friends tell me "to get over it." I was never convinced of the Ohio results in 2004, but John Kerry decided to wuss out and tell us to "go forward." And then, in 2008 I was not convinced that Obama won the primary. But we all know that Obamatrons have told HRC supporters that we are merely "sore losers." We're losing the Republic to the big-mouthed naysayers. I guess at some point we'll need to say to them: get over it, sweeties. You lost it for us all. I'll try my best to join you all on Wednesday night. Amy, thank you for the U-tube link. I just spent the last hour+_looking and listening to the 1-9 parts of Hacking Democracy. Horrifying! Much thanks to Bev Harris and her colleagues for putting this material together, the unsung time and energy and the dogged stubborness to route out the bad players.

I was never convinced that GW won the election in 2000. But I had Republican friends tell me “to get over it.” I was never convinced of the Ohio results in 2004, but John Kerry decided to wuss out and tell us to “go forward.” And then, in 2008 I was not convinced that Obama won the primary. But we all know that Obamatrons have told HRC supporters that we are merely “sore losers.”

We’re losing the Republic to the big-mouthed naysayers. I guess at some point we’ll need to say to them: get over it, sweeties. You lost it for us all.

I’ll try my best to join you all on Wednesday night.

]]> By: jbjd http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203807 jbjd Tue, 12 May 2009 00:27:00 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203807 Thank you so very much! (You know what's funny? I kept switching back and forth to see whether the link was gone and, for the first time, I (inadvertently) split the screen! I had been trying to figure out how to do this during our Wednesday night chats so that I could watch the videos and read and write simultaneously; now, I have to figure out how I accomplished this.) Thank you so very much! (You know what’s funny? I kept switching back and forth to see whether the link was gone and, for the first time, I (inadvertently) split the screen! I had been trying to figure out how to do this during our Wednesday night chats so that I could watch the videos and read and write simultaneously; now, I have to figure out how I accomplished this.)

]]> By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203803 Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Tue, 12 May 2009 00:19:09 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203803 Will do! Will do!

]]> By: jbjd http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203792 jbjd Mon, 11 May 2009 23:53:56 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203792 R3A, please, remove that previous link! R3A, please, remove that previous link!

]]> By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203790 Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy Mon, 11 May 2009 23:50:42 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203790 Thanks, jbjd - the first time, it took me to your log-in page... And IALT, we really HAVE to make some changes, don't we? Not to be melodramatic or anything, but our democracy is at stake if our votes are meaningless, is it not? Thanks, jbjd – the first time, it took me to your log-in page…

And IALT, we really HAVE to make some changes, don’t we? Not to be melodramatic or anything, but our democracy is at stake if our votes are meaningless, is it not?

]]> By: FranSC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/24262/black-box-voting-part-1/#comment-1203786 FranSC Mon, 11 May 2009 23:44:18 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24262#comment-1203786 Well, so we get to request and use a paper ballot. Great. But if all the other voters in that precinct are using the machines, I think we run an even greater chance our vote will NOT be counted. Talk about "gaming" the system! The system was so irrevocably gamed in 2008, not just the voting machines or even ballot boxes (certainly those), but in every which way. It would be hard to know where to begin to bring accusations, much less bring charges against culprits. I'm sure that's what the democrats were counting on. 2008 created a constitutional crisis the likes of which this country has never experienced. It will take years of investigation to fully understand what all went wrong. We can only hope many are doing that. Well, so we get to request and use a paper ballot. Great. But if all the other voters in that precinct are using the machines, I think we run an even greater chance our vote will NOT be counted.

Talk about “gaming” the system! The system was so irrevocably gamed in 2008, not just the voting machines or even ballot boxes (certainly those), but in every which way. It would be hard to know where to begin to bring accusations, much less bring charges against culprits.

I’m sure that’s what the democrats were counting on. 2008 created a constitutional crisis the likes of which this country has never experienced. It will take years of investigation to fully understand what all went wrong. We can only hope many are doing that.

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