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The Cruelty of Obama’s Strategies, Including Robbing the American People of an Honest Discussion about Policies

We already know that Barack Obama and campaign have robbed the Democratic primary of an honest discussion about the policies. Besides the coward’s fear of facing Hillary Clinton in any more debates — and blowing off the entire state of West Virginia by refusing to hold a SINGLE CAMPAIGN EVENT in that state — he and his campaign use RACE as the great divider.

They are using race by:

  • either propelling African Americans to feel that they must vote for him or be accused of betraying their own race
  • or playing on white guilt to force well-meaning but naive Democrats into feeling they must vote for him to expiate their ancestors’ past sins.

Now Barack Company Inc. is attacking John McCain by using his age against him, and the McCain campaign is calling him out on it — and in so doing, EXPOSED what the Obama Inc. strategy is ALL ABOUT. GOOD for you, Mark Salter and John McCain:

To: Interested Parties
From: Mark Salter, Senior Advisor
Date: May 8, 2008
Re: Senator Obama’s Attack Today

First, let us be clear about the nature of Senator Obama’s attack today: He used the words ‘losing his bearings’ intentionally, a not particularly clever way of raising John McCain’s age as an issue. This is typical of the Obama style of campaigning.

We have all become familiar with Senator Obama’s new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is. …

It is important to focus on what Senator Obama is attempting to do here: He is trying desperately to delegitimize the discussion of issues that raise legitimate questions about his judgment and preparedness to be President of the United States.

Through their actions and words, Senator Obama and his supporters have made clear that ANY criticism on ANY issue — from his desire to raise taxes on millions of small investors to his radical plans to sit down face-to-face with Iranian President Ahmadinejad – constitute negative, personal attacks.

Senator Obama is hopeful that the media will continue to form a protective barrier around him, declaring serious limits to the questions, discussion and debate in this race.

Senator Obama has good reason to think this plan will succeed, as serious journalists have written of the need for ‘de-tox’ to cure ’swooning’ over Senator Obama, and others have admitted to losing their objectivity while with him on the campaign trail.

Today, Senator Obama is complaining about comments John McCain made about a senior Hamas advisor stating that Hamas would welcome Senator Obama’s election as president. Indeed, on April 13th, senior Hamas political advisor Ahmed Yousef said, ‘We don’t mind – actually we like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance.’

The McCain campaign has never suggested that Senator Obama supports Hamas’ agenda, but it is more than fair to raise this quote about Senator Obama because it speaks to the policy implications of his judgment.

Just today, the president of Iran, whom Senator Obama wants to meet with unconditionally, called the state of Israel a ’stinking corpse.’ Iran is the paymaster and state sponsor of Hamas.

In his victory speech this week, Senator Obama stated that ‘wisdom’ is meeting with our enemies, including Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, North Korea’s Kim Jong Il, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez and Cuba’s Raul Castro. John McCain couldn’t disagree more. Rather than giving tyrants and dictators the prestige of meeting with an American president, John McCain will instead meet with the champions of human freedom around the world and opposition leaders fighting for liberty .

We understand why Senator Obama doesn’t want to engage in a debate over leadership and judgment with John McCain, but the American people demand that debate take place.

These are serious times that call for a serious debate on the profound issues facing our future. John McCain is ready for that debate and we hope Senato <<image003.jpg>> r Obama will one day get serious and join it.

– Source: The McCain Campaign, via The Page blog at Time magazine.

THERE ARE numerous issues which the Obama campaign can use to counter McCain’s candidacy. But instead of playing fair, they’ve repeatedly misquoted his statements on Iraq, and are now trying to smear him because of his age.

Another friend — who I hadn’t heard from in a while — called me last night. This friend went to grad school in Berkeley, and is about as far left as one can get without veering off into the extremist territory of the likes of William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

This friend astonished me by telling me that she plans to vote for John McCain in the fall, so disgusted and repelled is she by the tactics and dishonesty and corruptness of the Obama Inc. machine.

Thank god there are a few of us — actually many millions of us — who see through the manipulations:

  • Alien

    Operatives are being sent out to swet talk Hillary supporters into backing BO .
    And sounding so reasonable & forgiving.

    But just state that you will not vote for Ob though you may vote suitable dems on the list.

    Give Mccain the dem house to deal with.

    Ps no need to get aggro with trolls. They can do nothing as it is your right to vote how you feel.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      And they are doing a shitty job of it too. They just can’t stop being assholes. It’s in their DNA or something. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

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  • Guamy Swamy

    So sad that Guam has more of a say of who the Democratic Candidate will be than Michigan or Florida!

  • mlr701

    This is what the Clinton campaign should have been doing – loudly – for the last few months!

  • Jackie

    Ben Smith has posted this statement by Senator Kennedy on his Politico.com site.

    Kennedy: No veep slot for Clinton

    It’s fun to think about, but there are so many obstacles, and Ted Kennedy isn’t buying, he said on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt,” which airs this weekend.

    “I don’t think it’s possible,” he told Hunt of the joint ticket, continuing that:

    Obama should choose a running mate who “is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people,” Kennedy said. “If we had real leadership — as we do with Barack Obama — in the No. 2 spot as well, it’d be enormously helpful.”

    Ouch.
    By Ben Smith 12:48 PM

    Anyone wishing to chastize Senator Kennedy for this insulting remark towards a former First Lady and fellow Senator can e-mail him at senator@kennedy.senate.gov..fax..202-224-2417…phone..202-224-4543

    • http://guesshewantstheVPslot drkate

      So Kennedy and McGovern see a bit of themselves in Obama…elections that “should have been” but were not, succeeding in dividing the party.

      I wonder what they’ll do when Obama loses just like McGovern did. It won’t even be close.

  • kathy

    The O-bots are gonna keep harping on losing Roe V. Wade, but don’t buy it.

    The Republicans aren’t totally stupid—if they did that, they would lose power for a generation or more. It would be the kiss of death for them.

    • http://thecommanderguy.blogspot.com/ the commander guy

      You lost babe.

      You wanna lose some more for your granddaughters, you know what to do babe

  • RedDragon62

    Hey B-Rob….did you look at those stats carefully? Most of his LARGE vote was in the AA community. Now I am no racist but jesus dude…Most and I do mean MOST of his large total here in Chi-town was from the AA community…Close to 600.000 votes here alone. Now if you know anything about chicago politics( and I assume you don’t ) this is highly suspect. but I’ll give him that.
    Now…what about TEXAS, Nevada,California? He has not by anymeans, thumped Hillary. What you and those that think like you are failing to see are HIS TACTICS!
    Using the race card is a hallmark of AXELROD. We here in Chicago know that and we saw it coming. at least those of us that follow politics. You fail to understand why people are so angry. people in Texas intimidated at the caucus’, In nevada the same thing…I was in Iowa and I saw what heppened there also. so please..Donna Brazile telling all of us…on national TV no less…that they dont need us anymore.Do you honestly think that Obama will win with just the AA vote or the College, Liberal, Guilt vote? I believe you are more intelligent than that. Please …FREE YOUR MIND AND YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW. Educate yourself on Obama. Then ask yourself TRUTHFULLY, is this the person I want to run this country? I don’t think so.
    Now I know what you’ll say. “I don’t know what I’m talking about”. I live in a Diverse community. I talk to AA’s all the time. I have them over to my home. do you? I have lost good friends over this because it was of their mind that this was owed them. I can never repair those friendships because of what Obama and his clan have done. so go back to KOS. they agree with you. they have thier heads in the sand…..We don’t!

  • RedDragon62

    Hey B-Rob….did you look at those stats carefully? Most of his LARGE vote was in the AA community. Now I am no racist but jesus dude…Most and I do mean MOST of his large total here in Chi-town was from the AA community…Close to 600.000 votes here alone. Now if you know anything about chicago politics( and I assume you don’t ) this is highly suspect. but I’ll give him that.
    Now…what about TEXAS, Nevada,California? He has not by anymeans, thumped Hillary. What you and those that think like you are failing to see are HIS TACTICS!
    Using the race card is a hallmark of AXELROD. We here in Chicago know that and we saw it coming. at least those of us that follow politics. You fail to understand why people are so angry. people in Texas intimidated at the caucus’, In nevada the same thing…I was in Iowa and I saw what heppened there also. so please..Donna Brazile telling all of us…on national TV no less…that they dont need us anymore.Do you honestly think that Obama will win with just the AA vote or the College, Liberal, Guilt vote? I believe you are more intelligent than that. Please …FREE YOUR MIND AND YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW. Educate yourself on Obama. Then ask yourself TRUTHFULLY, is this the person I want to run this country? I don’t think so.

  • http://dianej.wordpress.com DianeJ

    SusanUnPC I so agree with what you write re:Obama & Friends –

    They are using race by:either propelling African Americans to feel that they must vote for him or be accused of betraying their own race or playing on white guilt to force well-meaning but naive Democrats into feeling they must vote for him to expiate their ancestors’ past.

  • B-Rob

    And the final proof that Hillary is done? On the finaly tally she won Indiana — not a Black state, not a latte drinker state, but a rural, White state — by less than 1%.

    • http://giveitup drkate

      your comments are pretty vile, exude desperation covered in a thin veil of hate, and well, if you think its all over for HRC, why don’t you go work for your candidate? You’re not changing anyone’s minds here, so all you’re doing is betraying your desire to argue.

  • http://mmb midge

    yes. if i was still viewing anything on msnbshit, watching olblahmans head explode would give me great glee. Hillary is the one. it’s not over til it’s over and ALL the votes are counted and the supers have weighed in…….just waiting til the oblahma skeletons begin dancing in the streets in the next week or so. heh. and oh yeah…let us not ever forget that “winning”delegates via the caucus crapper bull will be quite meaningless in a REAL election. obama is a FRAUD and the fix has been in for him since the beginning, way back in 2004 when mr skull and bones kerry and dean the scream picked obama to be elite ruling class dems’ surrogate in 2008. heh. i think perhaps mr soros has had a little hand in all of it as well. big money done been coming down the pipe for oblahma for some time now. mccain/obama have basically the same handlers, they just be wearing different color hats, and the big names behind the big curtain……the major scaries behind the manchurian obama. heh. may as well just go with mccain if Hillary not in ge. all us working class heroes get the shit end of the stick with oblahma or mccain. i am a very pissed off former democrat with no respect anymore for the dem party, and even less repect for nobama and his ilk. class matters folks. it matters a fuck of a lot. it’s been the elephant in the living room for way too long. and mysogyny is the dick riding the elephant. get the picture?

  • elconejo

    Yeah, If Hillary doesn’t win I going to vote for McCain. I want the rich to get richer and stay in Iraq until, Jesus returns.

    • B-Rob

      My point exactly! And don’t forget: Clarence Thomas writing the 6-3 decision that reverses Roe . . . that’ll show Obama and his 16 million plus primary voters!

  • B-Rob

    Ah, what if . . .

    http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/46823/index1.html

    my favorite one:

    5. What if the Clintonites hadn’t spent their war chest like a bunch of whiskey-addled sailors?
    Of all the unexpected developments of 2008, perhaps the most astonishing is that, by the end of January, the Clinton campaign was broke—while the insurgent Obamans were flush, allowing them to outspend Hillary in the states after Super Duper Tuesday by two or three or four to one. One difference was Obama-land’s mastery of the Web as a fund-raising tool, which the Clinton people never got the hang of. But another was the latter side’s grotesque overexpenditures in 2007, a grievous error that must be laid at the feet of her former campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, an operative Clinton valued more for her loyalty than her ability to actually do the job. Recipe for disaster.

    Can’t manage a few hundred million for a presidential campaign, but think you are entitled to run for the White House anyway . . . amazing.

  • JP

    GET THESE OBAMA LOVER OFF THIS SITE. ITS MAKING ME SICK.

  • JP

    Check out what Jay Cost is saying on Real Clear Politics. He doesn’t think the race is over yet either.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/05/not_quite_yet_1.html

  • Gerald

    Bottom line McCain will not worry about being PC with Obama so he will gut him like a fish every chance he gets. The Republicans will attack Obam over Wright, Ayers, and Rezko without reservation. I can’t wait to see Keith Olbermans head explode.

    • Mary

      ROFLMAO

    • B-Rob

      The GOP will attack the Dem nominee no matter what, because the GOP is like a cornered rat. That is why you need a candidate who is disciplined, can raise money well, can manage money and marshal resources well enough to strike back when needed. Unfortunately for you, Hillary has been a failure in all those catagories.

  • AJ

    Thanks for this post. It’s refreshing to see Obama called out on his dirty campaign tactics! Hillary couldn’t do it because the press turned on her like a pack of dogs, women are not “allowed” to fight back. But McCain, the press will respect him and let him fight the good fight. It will be almost fun to watch Obama go down, if he is the nominee. He will drown in his own S**t, and all his supporters will not be able to find enough Kool Aid to survive the crash.

    I will vote McCain to keep Obama out of the White House. I don’t believe he’s a Democrat, I do believe he may be an anti-American terrorist, and if he were white and couldn’t cry “racism” like a baby, he’d long ago be out of the Presidential field due to all his nefarious connections and stupidity.

    I will most definitely NOT stay home if Obama is the nominee. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. I will do all in my power to keep this man out of the White House. I want to have a President who loves this country, period.

    • B-Rob

      It’s refreshing to see Obama called out on his dirty campaign tactics!

      It is now a “dirty campaign tactic” to say that a career Navy man and son of an admiral has “lost his bearings” . . . . You Hill-bots truly do live in a different world.

      • it’snotme

        “Dirty campaign tactic” = Painting Bill and Hillary Clinton as racists. UNFORGIVABLE. I will NEVER forget that.

  • jwrjr

    Obama shows signs of repeating two of the worst traits of the cheney/bush regime. A. if you are not in his in-group (AA or a campaign contributor), he could not care less about you. B. he show a remarkable case of situational deafness (i.e. he does not hear inconvenient things like 20 years of hate-filled sermons).

  • Catriley

    I have to state up front that I am NOT a McCain fan. Never have been.

    However.. I was LIVID at OBama’s comments about McCain. It was not-so-thinly-veiled way to call him senile. I saw through it, and obviously other people did. Obama, his campaign, his supporters, a,nd recently Donna Brazille, have made it clear that they think anyone over 30 needs to “get out of the way” for Obama, so the “hip hop generation” can pick the next president. Females over 26, males over 30, need not apply.

    How fucking ironic that the devotees of Obama haven’t noticed he’s MIDDLE AGED. He’s not 20, nor 30, nor 40, he’s late 40s.

    Can the Obama campaign piss of anyone else? Have they forgotten to diss anyone else? I’m GLAD McCain spoke out against that agist slam.

    Fuck those people. ;)

    • Mary

      Me too, Catriley.

      Obama is a baby boomer, for God’s sake.

      I DO hope the McCain’s campaign yanks him by the “short hairs.”

      (An old phrase from my Army Captain Dad….fought with Patton…knew all the limericks) :)

      Whining won’t cut it in the general election.

      • Catriley

        I’m the same age as Obama, and actually much, much, cooler than he is. I don’t walk around in white shirts and ties all the time. He has this uber hip image to people, yet.. he has done nothing particularly fascinating to achieve it.

    • B-Rob

      It was not-so-thinly-veiled way to call him senile.

      You think a magna cum graduate of Harvard Law School could have used the word “senile” if he wanted to? Or said “lost his marbles” (i.e., lost his mind) instead of “lost his bearings” (i.e., lost his sense of direction) of he wanted to? Your nutty response is reminding me, again, of you Hill-bots going nuts when Obama said that Hillry “periodically” went nuts. . . sometimes “periodically” means “periodically”. Period!

    • layla

      They love to make fun of the older folk, don’t they? Just like them, making fun of the white, middle age voters that support Hillary, as Olberman said, “most of ‘em never finished college’.

      Like “ole” Robert Plant sang..”your time is gonna come”.

  • http://mmb midge

    good for the mccain camp calling out obummer on his ism…one of the many isms he has been implementing in his effort to steal the nomination. only this time he will not be able to whine(along with the obamabot goose stepping trolls) and complain that he is not being treated like the prince he thinks he is. he will be toast in the ge. and as for the crap about 4 more years of republican rule….well guess we’ll all have to take our chances there.i’m not expecting much from an obummer presidency anyways. no Hillary, no dem prez. Hillary NOW, or in 2012.
    sorry obummer trolls….deal with it.

  • JP

    With all the talk of Obama becoming the nominee (even though HE isn’t yet), maybe the young college crowd and well to do younger voters might want to consider that if Hillary is pushed out of this race to be our new president (which she is more than qualified for) then lots and lots and lots of dems will vote McCain. If McCain is elected he will most likely have to institute the draft to have more men and women in the armed services. I’m tooooooo old and dumb to serve so McCain can send their young happy asses to war where they might finally learn something about the real world.

    • Catriley

      I was thinking that the other day… I pity the youngsters that are smoking the hopium… because Iran is on the table with McCain, and he will institute the draft. They’d have to.

      Hillary, as she stated before, believes in diplomacy and every last resort before war. That’s the the IWR was, of course, but Bush overruled the Congress. McCain is bomb first, diplomacy later, just like Bush.

      But the idiots for Obama will find that out when McCain wins it…

      But.. but.. he has a RINGTONE!!!!

    • B-Rob

      maybe the young college crowd and well to do younger voters might want to consider that if Hillary is pushed out of this race to be our new president (which she is more than qualified for) then lots and lots and lots of dems will vote McCain.

      If there is any group of Dems stupid enough to give a pro-life GOPer a shot at appointing conservative judges to replace Stevens, Ginsburg, Souter, etc., it just might be the Hill-bots!

      Hill-bots, understand one thing: the only thing the GOP wants more than facing Hillary head to head is Hillary running a third party campaign. ‘Cause you have seen how well third party candidates do, right?

  • B-Rob

    Something to think about, people:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/desperate_clinton_is_danger_to.html

    “Lower-income white Democrats may well defect to John McCain in the fall if Obama is the nominee, Clinton is arguing, whereas African-Americans — who have been choosing Obama by 9-1 — are going to vote for the Democratic nominee no matter what. Thus, she claims, she can better knit the party back together.

    “Let’s examine those premises. These are white Democrats we’re talking about, voters who generally share the party’s philosophy. So why would these Democrats refuse to vote for a nominee running on Democratic principles against a self-described conservative Republican? The answer, which Clinton implies but doesn’t quite come out and say, is that Obama is black — and that white people who are not wealthy are irredeemably racist.

    “The other notion — that Clinton could position herself as some kind of Great White Hope and still expect African-American voters to give her their enthusiastic support in the fall — is just nuts. Obama has already won more Democratic primary contests; within a couple of weeks, he almost certainly will have won more pledged convention delegates and more of the popular vote as well. Only in Camp Clinton does anyone believe that his supporters will be happy if party leaders tell him, in effect, ‘Nice job, kid, but we can’t give you the nomination because, well, you’re black. White people might not like that.’

    “Clinton’s sin isn’t racism, it’s arrogance. From the beginning, the Clinton campaign has refused to consider the possibility that Obama’s success was more than a fad. This was supposed to be Clinton’s year, and if Obama was winning primaries, there had to be some reason that had nothing to do with merit. It was because he was black, or because he had better slogans, or because he was a better public speaker, or because he was the media’s darling. This new business about white voters is just the latest story the Clinton campaign is telling itself about the usurper named Obama.

    “‘It’s still early,’ Clinton said Wednesday, vowing to fight on. At some level, she seems to believe the nomination is hers. Somebody had better tell her the truth before she burns the house down.

    • Thrasyboulos

      The Obama fad will fade once/if he is handed the nomination by Dean/Brazile/goo goo libs.

      The Obama leghumpers in the media (Matthews, Russert, Mrs. Greenspan, CNN) will turn on him like rabid dogs, and he’ll last, tops, 2 – 3 weeks.

      It’ll be a blood bath of McGovernite/Dukakisite proportions. And there will be a reckoning post GE.

      • B-Rob

        The Obama fad will fade once/if he is handed the nomination by Dean/Brazile/goo goo libs.

        Isn’t this the same assumption that got Hillary where she is? She underestimated Obama and it has cost her the election.

  • Talktruth

    BTW, I’m declaring myself the Queen of Siam on May 19th. :-)

  • Talktruth

    Oh, hell yeah! Way to call him out:

    Through their actions and words, Senator Obama and his supporters have made clear that ANY criticism on ANY issue — from his desire to raise taxes on millions of small investors to his radical plans to sit down face-to-face with Iranian President Ahmadinejad – constitute negative, personal attacks.

    As for this:

    Senator Obama is hopeful that the media will continue to form a protective barrier around him, declaring serious limits to the questions, discussion and debate in this race.

    I guess the MSM figures if they can push a nonsense war down our throats, they can do the same with an unfit candidate. The problem with that? Forewarned is forearmed.

    And we are armed, and dangerous.

  • mostest

    I like commenting at no quarter but you guys feed trolls too much. Trolls are like people if you don’t feed them they will go elsewhere for food. Stop feeding them.

    • Untilthelastdogdies

      I agree!

      Let ‘em slide…

      Old man river, he just keeps trollin’ along. :)

  • Jsilverheels

    “and blowing off the entire state of West Virginia by refusing to hold a SINGLE CAMPAIGN EVENT in that state”

    Perhaps because W. Virginia voted Bush/Cheney twice. And the margin wasn’t terribly close.

    If the shoe were on the other foot, you’d dismiss W. Virginia as “one of those red states that’s not going to vote for the Democrat anyway.”

    And you’d be right.

    • pm317

      Bill Clinton carried that state by huge margins both times. They voted republican only when Obama-like Kerry or Gore was the nominee. A huge warning for us!

      • B-Rob

        Bill Clinton carried that state by huge margins both times.

        You are, of course, ignoring the biggest distinction between Clinton and Gore and Kerry: Clinton was in a three way race; Kerry and Gore were head to head with the GOP in WVa.

      • B-Rob

        Not to mention that Bill Clinton’s last election was 12 FREAKIN YEARS AGO! You think things might have changed in WVa in 12 years? Possibly?

        • pm317

          Not much has changed, really. Hillary Clinton is polling at huge margins, if only those people of WVa are given a choice to voice their preference. Oh, NO. That is of course not Obama style. He would be better served if he is for Democracy and not a coward. Hurray to your waffleman, the chicken in the gutless wonder.

          • B-Rob

            Yours is a stunningly idiotic post. How in the hell has Obama kept WVa from stating its choice? W.t.f. are you talking about?

  • jes

    Actually, I hope that he doesn’t campaign in any of the final states. Let Hillary be the only one campaigning and win by a landslide in all of them. Let’s pull in as many of those electoral votes as we can.

    Hubris is Obama’s downfall. He thinks he owns the nomination and has prematurely crowned himself emperor.

    • Jason

      Hubris is Obama’s downfall. He thinks he owns the nomination and has prematurely crowned himself emperor.

      Yeah, thats like the #1 reason why HRC lost the nomination. Its pretty ironic you’d now make that charge against Obama.

      • jes

        Since the race isn’t over, then Obama hasn’t won the nomination. I certainly don’t recall reading or hearing anywhere that Obama has reached the magic number to secure the nomination. Maybe you should learn to COUNT.

        And relating to that issue. Don’t COUNT your chickens before they’re hatched.

  • pm317

    I read a post on TM a while back that left a big impression on me and I’ll repeat it as best as I can — I don’t know if that poster posts here. If he/she does, maybe they can offer to say it better. This particular poster was relating an experience in Europe somewhere, waiting in a line at a phone booth. There were a few people in the line all being polite and courteous to each other and as each waited for their turn and came out of the booth once done. Then came this Black guy, shiny ornaments and all, without looking at the line going straight to the booth. The woman using the phone showing the line of people waiting and telling him to wait his turn. The next thing person narrating this and others heard was the black guy yelling at the poor woman, racist. That moment the woman with her ashen face just ran out of the booth without even looking at the people in the line. The guy in question went into the booth and even after 10-15 minutes he was seen talking and laughing loudly without any regard for the people in the line many of whom left. Does this remind me of Obama and his campaign strategy, you bet it does.

  • Judith

    “We have all become familiar with Senator Obama’s new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics”

    This is so true, Susan. He and his advisors and his minions have run rough shod over 1/2 of the Democratic Party, now they are starting on McCain. It is fairly clear to me, that if Obama wins the nomination he will have 3/4 of the American public against him. I truly hope that Hillary does not call on her supporters to then support Obama. I hope she states that she respects the right of her supporters to vote for whomever they please.

    • ChrisXP

      I truly hope that Hillary does not call on her supporters to then support Obama.

      She’ll have too, for party “unity”. :rolleyes:

      But after this, I hope she goes independent (a dream, as she’s a party type). She has a base of voters that could make a third party a real solid option. Socially liberal; fiscally conservative.

      It’ll drain both parties dry.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      “We have all become familiar with Senator Obama’s new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics”

      And then you get one of your surrogates to call them racist.

      • Northwest rain

        Obama has Mrs. Obama play the race card.

  • quarterhorse

    remember what bill clinton said ” when they start telling you that your votes dont count, they are losing”….rasmusson says they arent doing anymore polling….i guess the rest of the states and their voters “dont” count. isnt that just what bill clinton said ? i am dreaming that this goes all the way to the convention. may 14th, closing arguements in the rezko case. he will no doubt be found guilty. do i hear a deal to turn states evidence over about obama for a lesser sentence ??? and the ayers story and the wright story simmering on the back burner are still there. the media is having a feeding frenzy right now, ignore them. the more obama’s head swells, the better. its going to be a big mess when his head explodes and stinks up the whole dnc.

  • ponds

    Looks like somebody forgot to pick up their “I’m Not Bitter” sticker. How’s that workin’ out for ya?

  • karen for Clinton

    Although I have said I will not vote for McCain I too know many who have said they will if Hillary doesn’t get the nom. I live in PA and the 25 percent of the vote he got here won’t rise above that number by much if he is the nominee. The Hillary voters are very likely to switch to Mac.

    The letter is strong and no-nonsense response. They have watched him repeatedly use his propaganda machine against the Clinton’s and they are not going to let any slight thing be left unanswered.

    And yes, I too agree with the response. The kool aid factor was addressed wisely:

    “Senator Obama has good reason to think this plan will succeed, as serious journalists have written of the need for ‘de-tox’ to cure ’swooning’ over Senator Obama, and others have admitted to losing their objectivity while with him on the campaign trail.”

    This was a strong volley for jewish voters:

    Just today, the president of Iran, whom Senator Obama wants to meet with unconditionally, called the state of Israel a ’stinking corpse.’ Iran is the paymaster and state sponsor of Hamas.

    The republicans have been strong opponents all these years and any of the trolls around here who think they will lay down and play dead have another thing coming. And if you think most Hillary supporters will ever come to your defense, think again.

    • ChrisXP

      The republicans have been strong opponents all these years and any of the trolls around here who think they will lay down and play dead have another thing coming.

      When SCOTUS is up for grabs ESPECIALLY!

      They spent 30 years grooming themselves to change the Warren court and overturning Roe vs. Wade. They’re not going down without a WWIV fight. Two justices are for the taking, and that’ll be enough to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

      Only Hillary will be dogmatic to keep it the law. Don’t trust a man on womens’ autonomy, at all.

      • Northwest rain

        Only Hillary will be dogmatic to keep it the law. Don’t trust a man on womens’ autonomy, at all.

        And this is the truth of the matter.

        Obama is already reaching out to the anti-human rights so called “Right to Life” idiots — and he WAS going to vote for Roberts. And at the State of the Union — Obama made a point shake Robert’s hand.

        Obama is NOT a friend of Women’s human rights — he has proven his hatred for women by his words and actions toward Hillary.

        Plus that wife of Obama’s is a racist — a RACIST. Yes she is. A RACIST. Rev. Wright’s disciple — Mrs. Obama. A Racist. Plus she’s also a sexist pig. (I had to throw that one in — for free.)

        • Northwest rain

          Oh — I have more respect for Cindy McCain than Mrs. Obama.

          Cindy McCain has more qualifications to BE the President than Obama does!

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      And Al Quada hangs out in Barry’s favorite places, Pakistan.

  • Silver

    Susan, I agree that Obama is using race in manipulating people for their vote. But give credit where credit is due. There’s a gigantic population of really stupid people in the world who would vote “stupid” regardless of his manipulations. (See your former post of audience members who go “Duh” when asked to name one thing Obama has accomplished. Also throw in that Texas legislator who makes cross-eyes at the camera when asked to do the same.) What’s that line from Forrest Gump? “Stupid is as Stupid does?” I believe these are the same people who would blow a lottery fortune within a week and find themselves as IRS bait a year later because they forgot all about income taxes. I’ve also noticed that amongst my family members and friends, the ones who are enthralled with Obama are also the ones who would date a guy for his nice car or often brag about how much money their spouse earns. Go figure. I’m not making this up. They seem to prefer glitter over substance.

    • ChrisXP

      They seem to prefer glitter over substance.

      How Hitler came into power: selling dreams.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        And all those cool Rallies!

        • B-Rob

          Just because no one would actually attend a Hillary rally doesn’t mean rally’s are bad. It only means Hill is just not that popular!

        • B-Rob

          Just because no one would actually attend a Hillary rally doesn’t mean rallies are bad. It only means Hill is just not that popular!

      • Jeff

        “How Hitler came into power: selling dreams.”

        Oh get over yourself. Crack a history book.

        • B-Rob

          Godwin’s Law rears it’s ugly head!

          • Jeff
            • Mary

              Sullivan always gets man-crushes on new and intriguing male candidates.

              Most of the gushy, I-love-him articles about George W. Bush said the same thing, and he, like Frank Rich, COMPLETELY supported the Iraq invasion, trashing anyone who disagreed.

              Sullivan flip-flops.

              Emotionally stable, he ain’t.

              Nobody but the koolaiders read him anymore.

              • Jeff

                “Most of the gushy, I-love-him articles about George W. Bush said the same thing, and he, like Frank Rich, COMPLETELY supported the Iraq invasion, trashing anyone who disagreed.”

                You’re right that Sullivan was an enthusiastic supporter of the war at the outset. However, unlike Hillary, he had the intelligence and moral courage to own up to his mistake, admit he was wrong, and become one of the most eloquent opponents of the neoconservative to data.

                As far as Frank Rich “completely supporting the Iraq invastion”, that’s complete crap. Just because Larry wrote a couple ridiculous articles arguing such doesn’t make it true.

                • Mary

                  Like I said, only the koolaiders read or defend him anymore. (see name above; rest my case).

                  Sullivan is no longer credible.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Does anybody have the statistics of how many voters in America are McCain’s age or older? I bet it’s huge. Good. Another pissed off block. Seniors already figured out he’s walking bullshit. Now they are REALLY mad. I am beginning to enjoy this.

    • Jason

      [warning - this is not a pro-Obama post for a change]

      How specific do you want to be?

      There are 8,584,066 people in the US between 70 – 74.

      As opposed to 126,962,185 between 25 and 54.

      There are about 70 million over 55.

      This is a very cool tool if you want to play around with those and a lot of other nubers

      http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/tables.html

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        Hey thanks Jason!

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        Wow that baby boomer count is Huge! Yeesh!

        • Jason

          Well, I think technically the baby boom runs from 1947 – 1964. So that covers folks who are from about 44 – 62 years old now.

          There is about 62 million of them.

          I’m a Gen Xer and we run from ’65 – ’82.

          There are about 61 million of us.

          So its actually about the same size group.

          whats pretty interesting though is that the 35 – 49 group (about 66 million) is about 10% larger than the 20-34 group (60 million).

          So expect social security taxes to increase substantially in about 15 years. Or the young to start killing off the old.

    • ChrisXP

      Most voters who actually matter are 45+, as they keep up with the local elections (taxes does it!).

      The kids only come out during the nationals, but are “too busy” to vote where it really counts, and rarely are property owners to care.

      This is why there’s also more Red states — Republicans invest the effort to vote. Granny comes out regardless of the weather, and regards it as a duty (something these kids don’t understand).

      So it doesn’t matter how large the block of elderly voters are, they at least show up when it counts.

      • Jason

        First of all, I simply answered the question she asked and gave you a fun toy to play with

        Second:

        So it doesn’t matter how large the block of elderly voters are, they at least show up when it counts.

        The kids only come out during the nationals,

        Last time I checked, we were talking about a national election.

        I don’t have the stats on what % of each group actually votes but I am sure a higher % of older voters vote than younger voters. Someone can probably find them.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        The kids only come out during the nationals,

        A good party and they don’t come out then either. Even the Obama girl didn’t vote in the primary. They found her at a party though.

    • Norman

      Seniors will see this as a match up of youth against age and vote for McCain.
      They are the most loyal voting group.
      Scratch the Seniors, Obamabots.

      And JKFritz, you have no idea how repulsive it is to see you using John Kennedy’s initials in your handle.

      • JKFriz

        Um, JFK may in fact have had different initials than me. Just a hunch, pal.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    I didn’t commit any sins and neither did my ancestors who came from Europe. The only sin I feel any guilt for is the way in which my country was acquired, stolen actually.

    I marched with sincerity for civil rights. Many times. Now I find all these years later the very people I marched for think I am not only worth being talked to with respect, but basically I am not worth shit to them. When it comes to that kind of treatment, all bets are off for me. So take that white guilt and shove it into a major orifice.

  • it’snotme

    What’s REALLY pissing me off today is the media harping on Hillary QUOTING AN AP ARTICLE about her winning the “WHITE” vote. OMFREAKIN’G-D!!!!!! She said she was winning the “WHITE VOTE!!!!!” She should be stoned! How DARE her use the word “WHITE!” The nerve of that woman!

    SHE WAS QUOTING A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, FERCRYINGOUTLOUD! WTF? She can’t open her mouth without being berated for
    SOMETHING and it doesn’t matter what it is.

    They will destroy her come hell or high water. David Shuster and Mika, Morning Joe talking heads, were absolutely PATHETIC this morning. Mika must have played Hillary’s quote 6 times during the time I was watching and I missed the first hour of the show, so she probably played it 6 more times in the first hour of the show!

    YET, we hear constantly about Mr. Hope getting 90% of the black vote, but that’s okay? I am so sick of this crap, I could spit nails.

    • requiemforadancer

      Well, give them enough Hope, and Tim Russert will dance…

      Heh.

    • B-Rob

      No, it’s not that she said she was winning the White vote . . . because some Whites would clearly rather shoot bleach into their veins than vote for her . . . hence the high negatives. No, what has people pissed off is:

      1) Hillary FINALLY acknowledging what has been obvious for quite some time: she simple assumes all the colored will line up behind her and the REAL battle is for White votes.

      and

      2) Hillary assumes that just because someone is not college educated and White, they will automatically vote for McCain and not Obama, because Obama is not White.

      In other words, Hillary’s main argument is “less educated White people are too racist to vote for Obama, so I should be the nominee.” Obama’s response to this concept, from the time he ran for Senate in Illinois and hit all 99 counties up until now (where he won in all White Kansas, Utah, etc.) is that you go EVERYWHERE to get votes, regardless of whether people will be prejudiced against you or no. Because SOME of them, if asked and convinced, will vote for you. In other words, there are two ways to look at White racism: as a barrier to be overcome (Obama’s view) or as a given not to be questioned (Hillary’s view). Funny how the “racism is a given” approach plays into her hands . . . and into the hands of anyone else who would rather not compete for a job with a minority.

      • beachnan

        B-Rob,

        You’re hilarious. You stated you would rather shoot bleach into your veins than vote for Hillary, but, you and your ilk can put us down for not wanting to vote Obama. Hypocritical to say the least. Quite twisting Hillary’s words, she was simply pointing out the fact, that Obama, has gotten less and less of the white vote, as the nominating process has gone on. It’s true, and you can’t handle it. Grow up.

    • ritamary

      Only Barack, Michelle and Rev. Wright can say “white”. How did you forget that???

  • ChrisXP

    One thing Obama never faced is a national GOP fight. It’s run like the military. If he thinks McInsane is a push over that the Hitler Youth can over-run, Mac overcame obstacles that Barry could only have dreamed (and wrote about). He’ll chew and spit the little puke out.

    Wished the flying squid was a Marine, but I guess he could bawl him out on the flight deck.

    Just can’t see him saluting. That twerp won’t even put his hand on his heart during the pledge of allegience. What a disgrace for a CiC.

    • blobert

      Hillary has already faced a GOP fight. It didn’t just happen that the media has been trying to kill her off from the moment she announced her candidacy.

      • Mary

        That’s because most of the corporate media is privately cheering for McCain.

        They WANTED Barak to be the nominee cuz they knew he was a much bigger pantywaist than Hillary would be.

        The media LOVES John McCain. Even MSNBC.

  • kenoshaMarge

    Obamacrats can now start to discover what it’s like to face a “real” attack system. And what they are going to find out is that about half the Democrats in the party, us low-information old coalition types won’t give a rat’s buttocks when it happens.

    Over at Crooks and Liars, where I once visited often, the Obamabot Nicolle Belle is all upset cause Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough were making fun of Obama supporters. Something about them acting like love sick teenagers I think. It’s just started kids.

    And make sure to cry “racist” every so often too, cause by now no one is paying any attention to a slur used against fellow Democrats and now just crying wolf against the “real” racists in the Republican party.

    • ChrisXP

      And make sure to cry “racist” every so often too, cause by now no one is paying any attention to a slur used against fellow Democrats and now just crying wolf against the “real” racists in the Republican party.

      Just call a paleo a “racist” they’ll just laugh. They hate Blacks and Jews more so than even the KKK and Neo-Nazis, and they want Jim Crow back.

      Oh, yes, Obamatics you haven’t met anything yet. So cry over the pin prick, because you won’t be seeing the noose or 2×4.

      Babies.

      • Mary

        I think our Gypsy should make a YouTube video with her crying

        “Leave Barak Aloooooooooooone!”

        LOL

  • mjc

    oh, i’m sure he’ll be called out. if he’s the nominee, he’ll get called out on his stuff so bad that he’ll never be able to win. if this doesn’t change looks like we’re stuck with a guy who’s got a huge target sign on his back and the GOP have plenty of darts. ugh.

  • gypsy howell

    Jeez, Susan. Step back from the brink here. Do you think Hillary would approve of you parroting McCain faux-outrage talking points to help him get elected? I do believe both Clintons want a democratic victory n November, for the good of the country and the good of the party, even if she is not the nominee. Do you really want to be doing McCain’s durty work for him?

    • requiemforadancer

      Do you understand what it is to accelerate your own destruction as a troll?

      No, you don’t.

      Do you know what it is to use the same tag, over and over, how repetition is used as counter propaganda, and how your clueless defiance is being used to destroy your methods?

      No, you don’t.

      I’m SO glad you’re not on my side, you moron.

      You dont even know WHY this is bait.

      • JKFriz

        repetition is used as counter propaganda

        This is rich coming from someone who’s posting the same comments once a minute about “taggers.”

        • requiemforadancer

          Yes, it’s called counter propaganda, Einstein, again, low IQ, if you understood how you’re lil head was being trolled, you’d GET IT.

          May I just say, duh?

          Can’t quite control the propaganda flow, can ya stupid tool?

          And the accelerate COMMENT WENT right over your head.

          You are bright, arent you?

          HEH.

          • JKFriz

            Actually, it’s called “annoying.”

            But we can differ on our terminology if “counter propaganda” makes you feel better.

            • requiemforadancer

              When intellect fails, strunk and white is your friend, eh dookie?

              And I KNEW you’d do that, lil wannabe.

              See how this troll stuff works?

              YOUR SO DUMB.

            • Jeff

              We shouldn’t pick on the mentally ill. Requiem is in the middle of switching medications. This is what happens. It’s not pretty, but it is to be expected.

              • requiemforadancer

                Prove it!

                Oh, that catch 22, cretin, it’s is hard to beat a real troll, isn’t it?

          • Jason

            You’re only methodology is throwing around cool buzz words like “psy-ops” and “counter-intel” like some low rent Tom Clancy and then when you get called out for not making any sense, you tell them how stupid they are.

            Try making a coherent point for a change.

            • requiemforadancer

              Prove it!

              you cant prove your assertion shithead, and I wont bite.

              PROVE IT.

              • Jason

                Prove what? That you can’t write a coherent post and call people stupid all the time? See the one above this one for exhibit A. Then see the rest of your posts for exhibits B – whatever.

      • Jeff

        “Do you understand what it is to accelerate your own destruction as a troll?

        No, you don’t.

        Do you know what it is to use the same tag, over and over, how repetition is used as counter propaganda, and how your clueless defiance is being used to destroy your methods?

        No, you don’t.”

        Do you always answer your own questions?

        Have you picked up the medication we talked about yesterday? Don’t half the dose–the whole thing. Remember, four times daily. After meals.

        • jes

          You sound like you’re familiar with the schedule. And ready to instruct others. From personal experience, perhaps?

          • Jeff

            “You sound like you’re familiar with the schedule. And ready to instruct others. From personal experience, perhaps?”

            Yes, I’ve been struggling to keep Requiem on his schedule for some time.

            • requiemforadancer

              But you’re lying, so you’re trying to prove a negative, and you don’t understand what I’m saying.

              So you’re losing, right?

              And like a stupid republican troll, this same logic you use is applied to the country’s governance.

              And it’s failed, too.

              And I get it, and others get it, but YOU don’t.

              Because you don’t understand what it means to prove a negative, and we do.

              And every time you open your mouth, you tell everybody your ignorant,.

              I bet Gore gets it.

              I had to learn to tolerate the slower kids all through school, you’re the same as them, tool, dumb men are a dime pretensious failed men are a dozen, really ask any bright person…

              • requiemforadancer

                Straussian method tries to prove a negative it’s why the Republicans can’t succeed.

                Every President who played by the rules, up to this cretin and his crew, helped build the US into the power it is, the only group to fail is Cheney’s, and Rove’s because they don’t understand WHY their methods don’t work.

                Because they’re dumb, because Rove had to cheat to defeat the superior candidate, and now Axelrove is cheating to defeat the superior candidate, trying to prove a negative, that whole group of cheaters.

                And you don’t get it, therefore you support Obama, and Rove because YOU ARE NOT SMART.

                Country doing well due to your methods, how to cheat on a war, fight the Arabs, use these mothods on the others trying to prove a negative, too? Its internecine, isn’t it? Too big a word, look it up.

                Look at Isarel and the Palestinians, and YOU DONT GET WHY.

                Can you follow that?

                How you gonna fix it?

                War?

                How about another surge?

                Do you know anything about theory?

              • Jason

                I had to learn to tolerate the slower kids all through school, you’re the same as them, tool, dumb men are a dime pretensious failed men are a dozen, really ask any bright person…

                Yep – you were and still are that kid that thinks they are smarter than everyone else and you’ve been telling people that for so long you actually believe it.

                You are dumb.

                And following your repetitive illogical reasoning that has to be true because you can’t prove a negative.

              • Manamongst Hussein

                Seriously…you’ree turning into a troll on your own site when you’re this annoying to the people that are at least half-way rational.

                He’s past schedules he needs Candy Finnigan from Intervention…becuase when it all comes down to it…what have you been right about? Rezko….wrong, Wright…WRONG!…Super D’s-WRONG!, Weather Underground…WRONG. All in all, you all have to analyze the team you’re backing…it’s like you guys are Baltimore Colts fans pretending your team is still there days after they packed up everything and dipped on you.

                Get a GRIP!

      • gypsy howell

        Well, OK, I gotta give you this one. You’re right – I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve read your comment a couple times, and I still can’t make any sense of it.

        • requiemforadancer

          I know you’re not bright, you don’t understand advanced physics, either.

          And if I were to read burnt norton to you, you’d miss that too.

          Why are republican trolls so DUMB?

          • requiemforadancer

            You know a President like Kennedy, or even Reagan I would bet, could discuss poetry.

            You can’t, fucking clueless troll.

            • Jason

              Except you haven’t tried to discuss poetry, all you did was insult him/her.

              Fail.

              Again.

    • Leisa

      This is just one of many areas that McCain will strike if Obama is the nominee. I think that it is relevant to discuss.

      The illusion that Obama is above dirty politics and the smears that Hillary has endured because of it is one of the most compelling narratives the GOP can and will use against Obama if he is the nominee.

    • ChrisXP

      Do you think Hillary would approve of you parroting McCain faux-outrage talking points to help him get elected?

      This is war, sweetie. If you can’t take the heat of combat, get off the battlefield.

      This is just a training execise to what your granny is going to face if he’s nominated. No point in crying over “negative ads” because the GOP wouldn’t care, they’ll put that flaming liberal on Ayer’s doorstep and ignite both — for fun.

      Welcome to real politics, dear. :)

      • gypsy howell

        “This is war, sweetie. If you can’t take the heat of combat, get off the battlefield.”

        Honeypie, I think you have what they used to call ‘Battle Fatigue.’

        Once the nomination fight is over, I predict Hillary will be campaigning for a democratic victory in November, even if she is not the candidate. She’ll do it because she wants what’s best for this country too, and that means a democratic president. Are you still going to support McCain when she’s out campaigning for Obama?

        • Mary

          I can’t imagine Obama ALLOWING her to campaign for him, Gypsy.

          She’s MUCH too “racist” to be seen, right?

        • layla

          Ha, ha, ha, why would your ilk and /Barack even want Hillary to work for you – why SHE’S THE EVIL ONE, isn’t that right? SHE IS RASCIST – isn’t that right? No wonder you support barack, you think Clinton’s supporters are going to forget everything you have done?
          Your vile, all of you, even if she kindly agrees to support him later, it’s too late for me. She has to do good for the democratic party, but your ilk and Barack have already divded us too much. And besides, I’m not voting for a disaster, I never voted for bush, and I’m not going to vote for another disaster now, named Barry.

          • requiemforadancer

            How can you even begin to discuss strategy with a troll too stupid to understand even basic poetry?

            Really, poetry is just another form of higher abstract thought, and he can’t even grasp that sentence.

    • Percy

      vote for McCain if the choice is McCain and Obama.

      Sorry … yet … the Dems (and I am a lifelong one) will not all fall in line!

      They have disenfranchised voters, the candidate has acted liek the child he is, has questionable associates, lack both judgment and experience ….. and you think we are safer with him than McCain?

      We don’t even really know what policies Obama believes in and what he can get done.

      He wants to meet world leaders without preconditions?

      He never even held a committee meeting … and you feel safe with him and think he is good for the country because he is running as a Democrat?

      Are you crazy?

      We should reward aggressive behavior and threats of a riot if things don’t go his way with the Presidency?

      You are kidding right?

      Hillary or McCain. … no questions.

      • Judith

        I agree with you, Percy. Too bad his bad behaviour is being reinforced. It’s going to take the Daddy Party to sort this out.

      • Northwest rain

        Hillary or McCain . . . no questions.

        Yep that is very clear.

        Hey trolls is that clear enough for you dimwits.

  • SONIA

    good for mccain

    • requiemforadancer

      Mccain should not be stalked by a bunch of low IQ taggers.

  • bert

    BRAVO!!!!!!!!! to Senator McCain for his calling out the Obama campaign’s use of ageism against him. I have often thought that Hillary treated Obama with kid gloves and rarely took them off in this campaign. She is a lady. But Obama took advantage of it and whined and cried and cheated his way to his current lead.

    If Obama is the nominee McCain will take him on. And U for one will look upon it with secret glee!!!! If Obama thinks Hillary or ABC treated him unfairly – he ain’t seen nothing yet. The dear in the headlight look that advisor had when interviewed by Neil Cavuto will be seen on Obama’s face millions of times.

    McCain has some experience with Obama in the Senate on, I believe, ethics reform. McCain took his mettle then and found it wanting. He knows Obama for the fraud and card board character he is. McCain may be up there in years, but he is no dummy. And he knows human nature.

    I have not decided yet if Obama gets the nomination if I will vote for McCain. I like him. He is certainly more moderate on some issues. I fear for right to choose with him. But the more I see of him I may for the first time in my life cast a vote for a Republican for President.

    • Percy

      The next President will be Hillary or McCain.

      At least McCain’s camp can confront him and not be questioned.

      Hillary couldn’t compete like she needed to because she is a Dem also …

      Nail him McCain!

      Hillary 1st , McCain 2nd … the order of my vote.

      I will not stay home and be quiet in the fall. I will not just fall in line and follow a party I do not believe in that can’t even fairly run a primary.

      Dems have to clean house!

      • JKFriz

        Do you enjoy McCain’s sense of humor, then?

        “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
        Because her father is Janet Reno.”

        http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

        For folks frequently upset about misogyny, I would think that this – and numerous other blatantly sexist comments on McCain’s part – would disqualify him entirely.

        • jwrjr

          You are the one spreading that offensive “joke” on this blog, not John McCain.

          • JKFriz

            I’m not spreading it because it’s funny; I’m spreading it because people need to know who they’re saying when they say McCain’s a preferable choice in the election.

            That’s like saying everyone who trumpeted Obama’s “bitter” comments was agreeing with his premise. Get a grip, please.

            • requiemforadancer

              I dunno as offensive as that joke is, it pales next to selling out your country for a couple of hundred thousand.

              He’s a tool…

              • Manamongst Hussein

                Why do you even comment dude…Ok…let’s say we agree with that idiotic response…you’re still down with McCain you idiot…?

            • it’snotme

              At least McCain hasn’t accused Bill and Hillary of being racists. IMCPO, that is a thousand times worse than that stupid joke you keep posting, which, FYI, has been floating around the internet for YEARS, and YEARS and YEARS. Everyone here has heard all of McCain’s disgusting jokes. It’s nothing new.

              • JKFriz

                I’m not the one toying with the idea of voting for the creep.

      • workingclass artist

        I think this is actually gentle treatment compared to what is coming….
        Obama has been surrounded by SYCHOPHNTS…..That man better get some diapers….and line up a good shrink….The GOP will leave him in tatters….

  • JKFriz

    Cribbing directly from McCain’s talking points is a new low. This is false outrage at its worst – on the order of getting mad about the word “periodically” – and you should be ashamed for claiming to care about issues when your own post promotes the kind of empty “gotcha” politics we’ve been dealing with the entire campaign.

    I look forward to new posts like “Why We Should Stay in Iraq for 100 Years” and “Why a Woman Shouldn’t be Able to Make Decisions about Her Own Body.”

    • Pandora

      Why shouldn’t woman be able to run for president without being called a Bitch and Whore…

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        All bets are off far as I’m concerned. I will work my ass off to defeat Barack Obama. I respect his camp the same way they respect me. Not at all.

        • Jeff

          “All bets are off far as I’m concerned. I will work my ass off to defeat Barack Obama. I respect his camp the same way they respect me. Not at all.”

          Then you’ll have no one to blame but yourself once choice is removed, the war is expanded and prolonged, and our economy enters a depression. All because some anonymous poster pissed you off in a chat room once.

          • blobert

            I’m not going to support a candidate who ran a campaign as corrupt and brutal and offensive as this schmuck.
            His lame blog operatives think they can spit on people and they’ll just turn around like a lemming and say “no hard feelings.”
            Try doing that to your boss (if you ever have one) and watch what happens.

            • JKFriz

              See McCain’s comments below for what a truly brutal and offensive politician sounds like.

          • Musashi

            Then you’ll have no one to blame but yourself once choice is removed, the war is expanded and prolonged, and our economy enters a depression. All because some anonymous poster pissed you off in a chat room once.

            Obama supported Roberts until he was told, for political reasons, it would hurt him. Look it up. Also take a look at who is being talked about as his likely AG.

            No one is pulling those troops out of Iraq. It contains the second largest oil reserves in the world. Enough of the nonsense.

            As for the economy: oil is headed to $140 – $150 a barrel by the end of the year and $150 – $200 over the next 24 months no matter who is elected. The next president is very likely a one-termer.

          • John

            Yeah choice is going to be removed, just like it was under President Reagan, President Bush I and President Bush II. Just like it was when the GOP controlled all three branches of the Federal Government.

            Grow up, nobody’s buying it. If the GOP had a 100-seat majority in the House, a 70-30 margin in the Senate, and a 9-0 shutout in the SCOTUS, they wouldn’t touch abortion rights. As for the war and economic issues, I can’t imagine what Senator Hopey Changey is going to do to improve matters.

            Give it a rest. You aren’t convincing anyone here. Was this Obama’s master plan- to convince Hillary supporters after months of treating their candidate like crap, using surrogates in the media to slander her and use sexist BS to drag her down, win the nomination, and then use “McCain will ruin everything!” to bring us back “home?”

            Well, fuck you. We aren’t battered spouses here. We know how to walk away from abuse rather than reward it.

            If you really cared about the issues you mentioned, you would have supported Hillary- you know, the candidate who could actually beat John McCain- instead of a newbie Senator with zero experience and nutcase friends.

            • JKFriz

              See below for REAL sexist B.S. – murky “dog whistle” sexism is one thing, but McCain’s a little more direct.

            • Jeff

              “If you really cared about the issues you mentioned, you would have supported Hillary- you know, the candidate who could actually beat John McCain- instead of a newbie Senator with zero experience and nutcase friends.”

              So, if I really cared about ending the war, I would support the Democrat who voted for it? That makes a lot of sense, pal.

              • John

                Barack Obama in 2004: “I don’t know how I would have voted if I had been in the Senate at the time…”

                but like a good little Obamabot, you only see what you want to see and you only hear what you want to hear. So when Obama NOW tells you he’s always been against the war, you lap it up and stand there on your hind legs begging for more kibble.

                Meanwhile, he continues to vote to FUND the war. But it’s not what he does, it’s what he SAYS, that counts with morons like you.

                I notice how you ignored my other points. Good dodge. But obvious.

              • Northwest rain

                Fuck you Jeffie baby boy.

                Go to hell — go somewhere else.

                YOU bastards attacked Hillary — and you attacked us. I hate all of you mofo –

                And YOUR boy will NEVER make it to the white house.

                We will NEVER ever forget what you vile monsters did.

                I witnessed the Obamabrats in full force in a caucus in WA state — you bastards are absolutely vile — you are all traitors to this country.

                This country that my father served in the US Navy. You assholes spit on the graves of the heroes who gave their life — because they believed in America.

                You asshole don’t believe in freedom and liberty — you want to FORCE your authoritarian blind belief in a Narcissistic bastard down our throats.

                That isn’t what America is about. Given a choice between a thieving traitor like Obama and a patriotic hero like McCain (with all of his warts and ego) I will vote for McCain US Navy retired.

                So Jeffie go to hell — and peddle your sexist, hateful garbage elsewhere.

                DAMNED I’m going to have a HUGE credit card bill next month — I engaged a troll and so I’m going to donate more $$$$$ to Hillary!

                I donate to Hillary because I know she will rise above the filth that is Obama and his believers.

            • Seymour Glass

              excellent.

              nobama.

          • Mary

            Nobody cares, Jeff.

            You and yours willfully drove off those who could have helped you.

            Karma’s a bitch, buddy.

            Suck it up.

          • Not a Kool-AID drinker

            This is already happening because the CURRENT DNC and DEMOCRATIC party CHOOSE not to impeach this president.

            Obama is being crowned the nominee and I for one will not vote for him. I don’t like being called unpatriotic when I disagree with Bush and I don’t want to continue being called racist when I disagree with Obama.

            How come Obama is not called a racist when he said “typical white person”?

          • Norman

            Wake up and smell the coffee, Jeff.
            Your boy’s rotten Chicago-style tactics have lost him the rank and file of the Democrat Party.
            There’s a Depression coming no matter who is the next President.
            Iraq? We’ll [i]never[/i] leave Iraq.
            Try winning with Blacks, college kids and the liberal elite.
            You won’t.

            The coffee smell says we’re all bailing out for McCain should Hillary lose the Nomination.
            It’s a way to block Barry O.

            McCain at least has experience and gravitas ( nice shot, BTW, on the news of your candidate modeling jeans with one leg perched on the arm of the airplane seat, showing his crotch…very presidential,) and I’ve yet to catch McCain in a flagrant lie.

            And no. I won’t vote for Obama should he select Hillary as his running mate. That won’t work.
            You’ve lost us. For good.

        • Ros in Wa

          I have just started posting here was lurking for a long while.

          I feel so comfortable seeing others share my discomfort with the obama jerk.

          I just declared myself an independent and will vote McCain if Hillary is cheated out of the nomination.

          Think there will be money to be made in investing in clothes pins, so many of us will need them when we vote McCain. Kool aid will no longer be profitable the drinkers will be in detox, if not on insulin.

          • Mary

            Welcome, Ros!

            There is a HUGE number of former Democrats out there just like you, who have already changed registration to Independent because the DNC et al allowed the Clintons to be falsely trashed as racists.

            Myself and my entire family included.

            The Silent Majority—this time within the Democratic Party—returns.

            And it’s got NUTHIN to do with race.

            It’s about COMMON DECENCY.

            Obama and his campaign have forgotten what that phrase means, or how much Americans believe in it.

            F*ck him. :)

      • JKFriz

        Agreed. Thus, you may not enjoy President McCain:

        Via NYT:

        “How do we beat the bitch?” the woman asked.

        Mr. McCain was obviously uncomfortable, trying to deflect the vitriol with humor and offering to give a translation. But he did not condemn the questioner, instead calling it an “excellent question.”

        • Northwest rain

          Bitch is the NEW Black.

          Back at ya — mofos.

          Obama was far more sexist in his remarks about Hillary — and when Obama insults Hillary he insults the SISTERHOOD.

          as in

          Sisterhood is powerful

          This is something that the baby girls who follow Obama don’t know anything about. [Welcome to the young women who ARE part of the Sisterhood and who DO remember the lessons of the past.]

          But fine — as Mimi says — they can fight the old battles.

          Let the young bitches learn the lessons of the past.

          I AM a Old Bitch and damned proud of it.

      • JKFriz

        More of McCain’s sense of humor:

        “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
        Because her father is Janet Reno.”

        http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

        Again, this is the guy you’re propping up. I’m sure you’ll roundly condemn his blatant, awful misogyny.

        • Judith

          Very old news. All is forgiven. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

          • JKFriz

            I’ve tried for about 5 minutes to come up with a cliche more trite and nonsensical than “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” but haven’t had much success.

            Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is, in fact, also your enemy. McCain has a well-documented history of making these kinds of sexist remarks, leading up to the present day; anyone who’s genuinely offended by misogynistic politicians would never vote for the guy.

            • Vanessa

              McCain is openly sexist. Obama is underhandedly sexist. Difference? = 0.

              I will not vote for a racist charlatan. The irony is that I, personally, benefit more from many Republican policies than Democratic ones. I have always voted Democratic Party because I, personally, believed in the moral superiority of those policies.

              The Democratic Party has lost all moral credibility with me. They have also lost my vote in November.

              • JKFriz

                I’m sorry, but the above comment is completely reprehensible; I’d ask you what Obama or the Obama campaign has said or done that remotely equals that.

                • Vanessa

                  If you have to ask, you haven’t been paying attention.

                  What is reprehensible is the hypocrisy of Obama, his campaign, and most of his supporters.

                  • JKFriz

                    If you have to answer that way, you don’t have an answer…

                    • requiemforadancer

                      You are not bright, why can’t you answer with anything other than a rove propaganda method to discredit?

                      Not smart enough?

                      Well, look at the crap out of Washington.

                      Truth is, you’re not good, people see you, troll boi, you can’t see them.

        • Patrick Walker

          A lot of hotheads right now in both camps loudly say they will vote for McCain if their candidate is not crowned by the superdelegates. What percentage do you think will follow through and actually vote for McCain? Five? Ten percent maybe? The problem now is getting Democrats from the “losing” side to come out an vote for the winner.

          Particularly Obama’s “supporters” are driving away the votes that he needs in November solely so he can get the nomination. Given Rovian tactics, how many of Obama’s online supporters would even be genuine? I’m begging to wonder if some are actually Freepers now.

      • ritamary

        or a cunt, or a fucking whore, or a racist.

    • elizabeth

      If the shoe fits….and it does!

    • workingclass artist

      It is clear…BARACK OBAMA IS HEADED FOR POLITICAL OBLIVION….
      Good Post….

      • requiemforadancer

        Do not count Clinton out, no matter what, I have not given up hope, at all…

        Gosh, I hope the trolls didn’t BUY into that crap…

        • Manamongst Hussein

          You are insane…and clearly in denial.

          • requiemforadancer

            PROVE IT!

            We can do it all day, you can smear away, but your smears aren’t true, so you can’t prove it, and I’m smarter than you, troll boi.

            You suck, poor wannnabe.

            Sad thing is, what I wrote the people in Washington don’t understand, but anyone in a college classroom, a good one, anyway, would.

            But you don’t.

            You have no credibility.

            You think I’m the only one who thinks this way?

            And you , with your silly methods of troll.

    • Pat Newcomb

      He won’t be able to say he wasn’t warned. It’s one thing when a politician throws mud at his/her opponents that contains more than just a little organic matter. It’s another when a politician simply reveals the truth and lets reasonable people decide what they want to do with the facts. I will put the Clinton campaign’s record on this matter against Obama’s anytime.

  • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ Pagan Power

    Good for the McCain campaign. Obama needs to be called out on everything and from all directions.

    • requiemforadancer

      Well, the bamster could always strike that GQ pose, give McCain the finger, and tell the press he’s just decided to declare himself President, with his “New Democratic Coalition” of Dean and Brazille.

      Isnt that what Obamas do, like the one in Africa?

      That worked well.

      Taggers are cool.

      And smart, taggers are smart.
      Push that accelerator, burn that rubber, Bama…

      LOL.

      • Catriley

        The coronation, I believe, is set for May 20th. Shall we start shredding the confetti? Or should be offer to pour the koolaid?

  • ChrisXP

    Clearly you don’t think much of anyone who votes for Obama… what’s funnier is that your second point directly contradicts points you made in an article earlier this week.

    Please don’t tell us veterans of politics how the game is played. You need a lesson in politicking. From how welfare was used by Dems to keep Blacks down and break self-pride; and how it played today, ever hooked on freebies like it’s crack.

    No sugar daddys. Everyone earns their keep.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    March 20!!!!??????

  • pm317

    Hey, it is what I feel and what I opine. You don’t have to read it or agree with it. The analogical similarity of that incident with what is going on here with this primary is flawless. I am not the only one feeling it — BTD writes about this type of thing going on with objective journalists like Eugene Robinson, just today.
    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/9/12553/88894

  • pm317

    The metaphorical significance of that incident to what is going ob here is too much for you, ha? Read the fucking blog by BTD. You may understand a thing or two.

  • Jeff

    “Please don’t tell us veterans of politics how the game is played.”

    Far be it for us to tell a Hillary supporter how to win a nomination…

  • Jeff

    Come on, now that story really struck a nerve with me. It reminded me of this one time, I was driving down the highway, minding my own business, obeying the speed limit you know? And all of a sudden, this lady, I guess she was white, about 60 years old, cuts me off. Like, out of nowhere, can you believe that? I almost got into an accident! And it just ruined my whole day. All I could think about was, gosh that was rude. And dangerous. And so every time I see Hillary Clinton, I think of that mean woman who cut me off.

    I think my completely random anecdote universally sums up the current state of American politics.

  • B-Rob

    Besides being Black, how is Obama, a sitting US Senator who raised more money in history and won 16 million votes in any way similar to some anecdotal story about a random rude Black man in Europe . . . who MAY or may not exist?

    Unless you are assuming that, like the people in the line for the phone, Hillary was “next in line” for the presidency, as if it was “her turn.” If THAT is where you are coming from, all I can say is, unlike the English or Spanish monarchies, we do not “do” coronations for the presidency in this country. Hillary did not earn it, so she will not be president.

  • Mary

    Grow up, Kevin.

    This ain’t beanbag anymore.

  • pm317

    You’re dumber than I give credit for.

  • Mary

    So, show me some FACTS that prove Obama will have 2025 delegates by March 20.

    What was that about “high dudgeon?”

  • Mary

    Sorry. Meant MAY 20.

  • Mary

    Of course he is. IGNORE him.

  • Jeff

    “Grow up, Kevin.

    This ain’t beanbag anymore.”

    As if it ever was.

  • John

    So….Obama LIED about his opposition to the war, to protect Kerry and Edwards. Got it. And that’s fine with you. Because it’s Barack, The One Who Can Do No Wrong.

    “Why is it ok that Hillary votes to fund the war, but not that Obama does the same? Why does the pro-Hillary argument always boil down to ‘he’s just as bad as her?”

    Total Projection on your part. YOU are the one who is promoting Obama based on his anti-war rhetoric. When called on it, YOU are the one who says “hey, she’s just as bad as he is!”

    Total disconnect from reality, Jeff. Total fail. I wonder- did you even read your reply before hitting the “Add comment” button?

    Before you reply, please let me know all the other times that Barack intentionally lied because it was good politics to do so.

    Better yet, just slink away with your tail between your legs. I really don’t want to keep up a conversation with someone who has no trouble twisting logic into a knot to prove a “point.”

  • Catriley

    God you’re stupid. The point is, as if you don’t know, is not that some random black man did something.. it’s that he was doing something totally wrong and rude, and when someone called him on it, THEY were racist for pointing it out.

    The point is that the Obama campaign and surrogates love to hurl the racist word around against anyone that doesn’t agree with them. I guess you’re also too stupid to have comprehended the memo from the Obama campaign giving the talking points to twist the Clinton and their surrogates words to sound racist.

    yeah. I thought so.