You know, every time there’s an argument that the techniques work, for some reason you guys keep referencing back to 24. As if people do not know that 24 is in fact fantasy. It’s almost as if instead of addressing the charge you choose to try and dismiss it. For every person you put up that says it doesn’t work, there’s another admitting that it did. Believe anyone you want, I don’t care.

For me, your arguments fall on deaf ears, because instead of just relying on your experts to make their case based on facts you throw in the constant 24 reference as an insult to a person’s intelligence. It’s a TV show. It’s not a viable argument in favor of interrogations, or a viable argument against it. Everyone knows that. And there’s no 24 like ticking time bomb scenario, but I defy anyone to challenge the very real reality after 9/11 of not knowing where, when, how, if the next attack would come on our soil.

No there are no ticking time bombs, but there are cases where they have to make decisions, weighty decisions, and make them quickly. They made their decision, they got their information and that is all.

—Immediate, eminent danger to the national security…?

—Method[s] of acquiring new intelligence in the most expedient and timely fashion …?

—Eliciting necessary CYA, at any cost, to cover your arse politically…?

Other suggestions…?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-13/cheneys-role-deepens////

And it is not torture for a cop to chase down a person and then just because he wants to taser then with a jolt when he has no idea what sort of health issues the person has, or if in fact the person is guilty of anything since at that point they have not even been arrested yet. Over 300 AMERICAN CITIZENS have been killed so far by out of control cops with tasers. Far more than terrorists with fake drownings. Where are the concerned people who are only thinking of the poor people being tortured, not interested in any political point of view? I want to hear from all of the bleeding hearts on these issues.

This is similar to Cheney’s assertion that torture produced valuable and actionable intelligence. He insists this would be obvious, if only classified information were made public. He disingenuous insists that it should be. Alas, the CIA won’t, and he knew full well that they wouldn’t.

And this goes for ANY administration. I want a country that makes be proud, not ashamed.

Well put

The CIC is responsible for upholding the laws and the Constitution, not keeping us safe from “threats” by “any means possible”.

Sell put!