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President Obama Does a 180 on Releasing More Detainee Abuse Photos

According to Jake Tapper at ABC News:

President Obama met with White House counsel Greg Craig and other members of the White House counsel team last week and told them that he had second thoughts about the decision to hand over photographs of detainee abuse to the ACLU, per a judge’s order, and had changed his mind.

The president “believes their release would endanger our troops,” a White House official says, adding that the president “believes that the national security implications of such a release have not been fully presented to the court.”

At the end of that meeting, the president directed Craig to object to the immediate release of the photos on those grounds. In an Oval Office meeting with Iraq Commander General Ray Odierno, the president told him of his decision to argue against the release of the photographs.

The move is a complete 180. In a letter from the Justice Department to a federal judge on April 23, the Obama administration announced that the Pentagon would turn over 44 photographs showing detainee abuse of prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq during the Bush administration.

The photographs are part of a 2003 Freedom of Information Act request by the ACLU for all information relating to the treatment of detainees — the same battle that led to President Obama’s decision to release memos from the Bush Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel providing legal justifications for brutal interrogation methods, many of which the International Committee of the Red Cross calls torture.

Apparently, ACLU attorney Amrit Singh is none too happy about this:

“The reversal is another indication of a continuance of the Bush administration policies under the Obama administration. President Obama’s promise of accountability is meaningless, this is inconsistent with his promise of transparency, it violates the government’s commitment to the court. People need to examine these abusive photographs, but also the government officials need to be held accountable.”

As Tapper correctly points out, the argument that the release of these photos would pose a national security risk for US troops is the same one President Bush used. What I find troubling is that this is the same argument Conservatives have been making all over the place for the past month and now President Obama is coming to the same conclusion.

The can of worms he has opened is very troubling. While I know opinions are hot on both sides as to what constitutes torture and whether we were acting appropriately or unjustly, if you are going to show the crime, i.e., these photos, then do you not have an obligation to follow through all the way to the end of the line and exact a punishment? Clearly, President Obama is not going to do that because some Democrats would have to go down with this ship of torture as well. Without further action or prosecution going hand in hand with the release of these pictures, would they not, in fact, do more harm than good and be inflammatory? How appropriate is it then to use these photos solely as a political tool to further demonize the prior administration, when clearly there were Democrats who knew about it and kept quiet.

Tapper notes:

Yesterday White House press secretary Robert Gibbs was asked about a letter from Sens. Joe Lieberman, D-Ind., and Lindsey Graham, R-SC, asking him to reverse the decision, saying the “release of these old photographs of past behavior that has now been clearly prohibited can serve no public good, but will empower al-Qaeda propaganda operations, hurt our country’s image, and endanger our men and women in uniform.”

Gibbs said “obviously, the president has, has great concern about any impact that pictures of detainee — potential detainee abuse in the past could have on the present-day service members that are protecting our freedom either in Iraq, Afghanistan, or throughout the world. That’s something the president is very cognizant of. And we are working to — we are working currently to figure out what the process is moving forward.”

Certainly Senator McCain made the same argument in various TV interviews over the past month, and he is clearly against torture. Here is the statement, finally, from the Obama administration:

“Through his actions from the first days of his administration, the president has made it clear that the United States will hold itself and all the men and women who serve our country to the highest standards of conduct,” a White House official says. “The president would be the last to excuse the actions depicted in these photos… But the president strongly believes that the release of these photos, particularly at this time, would only serve the purpose of inflaming the theaters of war, jeopardizing U.S. forces, and making our job more difficult in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.”

Unfortunately, this kind of late out of the gate reversal in course is very similar to his response to Russia’s attack on Ossetia, Georgia last summer. Both Hillary and McCain called the situation correctly, yet then-Senator Obama needed to consult with his policy advisors over a weekend and issue four consecutive statements, each stronger than the last, until he finally caught up with the gravity of Putin’s attack. The same has been true with the back and forth regarding Gitmo and what to do with the prisoners incarcerated there.

I can only hope from this day forward, President Obama takes a moment to see the entire chess board before making any more such decrees. That is more important than pleasing a certain constituency, or governing based on polling samples, and then having to retrace his steps when the unintended consequences of his actions outweigh the benefits of taking them in the first place. Knee jerk reactions do not reflect wise leadership. Being Commander in Chief means you are President even of those who did not vote for you. It cannot be about a popularity contest, or, unfortunately, about a particular ideal which may work well in a vacuum, but does not take into account the current realities on the ground.

Beyond taking issue with his latest decision on this matter, I am more concerned with his indecision and growing number of flip flops on important policy. The world is watching.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    The guy has mental illness issues. Why can’t people see that? To me there are plenty of grounds for impeachment and mental illness should definitely be one of them.

    Any commoner, such as myself, would never be allowed to keep their job if they so clearly on a weekly, if not daily, basis showed that they had no idea what they were doing! Why would we allow this idiot to keep such an important job????

    These power mongers need to be held to the same standards as your every day Americans, for example, the CEO of GM wasn’t able to keep his job.

    Nomorebama!

    What the hell will it take for Americans to draw the line and get out the hook and yank the embarrassment off the stage??????

  • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Ani, that is the whole problem, isn’t it? Obama makes promises he can’t keep just so he can get votes, praise, accolades, whatever he needs. The Big Picture is not in his wheel house, I’m afraid. And that is a BIG problem. No, that is THE problem. He doesn’t see the big picture, or doesn’t CARE abt it…

    The thing is, he continues to make these flips, and his people keep saying, “well, yeah, I’m disappointed in him, but…” whatever excuse they can come up with at the time. He’ll keep doing this because he can.

    And here’s something else that has been puzzling me abt this – how is it he is above the law? I mean, the court ruled on this, did it not? The ACLU guy said they presented all of the evidence, so…Obama keeps saying we are a nation of laws and all of that…(Now I am not saying they SHOULD provide the photos – the soldiers on the ground are the ones who are most at risk should they do so, from all I have heard. Just making a point.)

  • Eleven

    Dear Leader is like my 6-year-old daughter. She always makes promises she couldn’t keep, then she promises – ‘Mommy, I promise I will never empty promise again.’

    • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      ROTLMAO… :-D

    • Diana

      lol Too cute! She’d probably do a better job than what we have up there now in 90% of them. At least she’s already recognized that she’s making empty promises…

      Children say the greatest things. My three year old grandson got into the live chat last night when I went to grab a glass of water. I still have no idea what he was talking about. He’s my little humanitarian. He’s always telling someone, “You don’t say that to people. That’s not nice.” “You don’t treat people like that!” A few weeks ago was his brothers birthday. He told him, “I know it’s your birthday, but you can’t have everything!”

  • SHV

    Apparently, ACLU attorney Amrit Singh is none too happy about this:
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    Small world, Amrit Singh, who I guess is the lead attorney on the case, is the youngest daughter of the Prime Minister of India. I wonder if she is telling her dad not to trust Obama because he is a lying piece of sh*t?

    I suspect she may be a bit smarter the the DOJ lawyers, she is a graduate of Cambridge University, Oxford University and Yale Law School.

  • ziggy

    Clearly, President Obama is not going to do that because some Democrats would have to go down with this ship of torture as well.

    That’s what is being said, but we don’t know for a fact if it’s actually true. That Pelosi is lying hasn’t been established.

    • Ani

      You have got to be kidding — just listen to her — thetruth does not require all thedancing around the she is doin. You can just speak clearly in a strong voice and say what you have to say. By the way, she is not alone. Feinstein has even admitted they were briefed.

      • ziggy

        We don’t know for certain what it is that she’s dancing around, do we? Remember, all of this has to do with what was said concerning classified activities during a secret committee meeting. The specifics remain classified. She isn’t entirely at liberty to make public everything that was discussed. If she isn’t very careful, she could find herself in very serious legal trouble. As it presently stands, she’s only in political trouble.

        What do we know about her accusers? We know they very probably broke the law; we know for a fact that they committed immoral acts; we know for a fact that they have routinely lied about doing so; we also know for a fact that they have deliberately destroyed relevent evidence on multiple occasions.

        • Ani

          She is not being honest. There is no point in dancing around that issue in order to excuse her. She is sputtering, that much is clear. Even big time Obama supporters like Bill Maher (who I cannot abide, by the way) were calling the Dems cowards and spineless through this whole situation back then for not standing up. There is no way this woman can pretend she had no knowledge. She certainly had enough knowledge to make a case if she wanted to six years ago — for her to be pointing fingers now is really ridiculous.

          But that is not even the larger point of this thread.

          The point is President Obamas’s flip flopping and his seeming inability to see the ramifications and consequences of his actions;

          and/or his using this type of thing to distract from something else he does not want the American people paying attention to.

        • Retired

          ziggy wrote: “What do we know about her accusers? We know they very probably broke the law; we know for a fact that they committed immoral acts; we know for a fact that they have routinely lied about doing so; we also know for a fact that they have deliberately destroyed relevent evidence on multiple occasions.”
          Interesting insight. I wasn’t aware that either the President Obama’s current, hand-picked CIA Director, Leon Panetta, or his current, hand-picked DNI, Dennis Blair, both of whom have indicated that Pelosi was fully briefed on what the CIA was doing during and afterwards, had broke the law and committed immoral acts.
          So I guess that the only way that we’re going to get to the truth on this is to bring everyone who was at the briefings before some objective fact-finding committee and ask them what happened without fear of reprisal for disclosing classified information (if indeed there is anything classifed left about what the CIA did). And by everyone, I include the small fry note takers that always attend these things and produce scrupulous contemporaneous notes on who said what which are then transcribed and filed away. Let’s break out those notes and find out what they say. Are you game for learning the results, wherever the chips may fall? I am.

        • Benjamin

          No, she can’t publicly talk about the contents of a classified briefing, but she can certainly do like Jane Harman did by putting her objection in writing and making it part of the record. As far as her accusers, there are two written memos and the statements of Porter Goss who was there. Then there are the actual minutes of the CIA briefing – which Pelosi has stated she wants.

          According to Politico, Pelosi made the request earlier today and the CIA said sure, anybody with proper clearance can come get them. Pelosi’s office said we’ll get back to you, or words to that effect.

          If these actual minutes help Pelosi, I’m sure we’ll all know about their contents pretty soon. Obama is the only party who can declassify this memo and make it public, but I’m sure he will be more than willing to help her out.

    • PamFlorida

      Nobody has ever seen an electron either, but we know they exist.
      Pelosi is lying. In her zeal to go after Bush, she forgot she was in on the “crime”.

  • r2d2

    This is about breaking international agreements. It’s not about the Bush administration, but the individuals who gave the orders and those who committed the crimes. It’s not even about justice, but to make sure that no one in the future will torture without first looking at the consequences. The Obama administration is now part of the problem.

    • centerground

      We don’t need to revisit what happened. The solution is not to allow the practices to continue.

  • Texas Playwright

    bho the fraud and his thugs commit illegal, criminal acts. That’s who they are. That’s what they do. Prosecute them, from Brazile and her bunch front loading AA districts to begin the Dem primary caucus cheating, to Pelosi covering up her knowledge of torture, to bho the fraud stealing elections and more.

    bho changing his mind is bho the fraud paying off big money/illegal money who helped him steal our WH and our democracy. Keep digging–money/including black gold (oil) is behind a lot of these crimes.

  • cathnealon

    Three weeks ago he was all for releasing the photos now all of a sudden he’s been convinced by the joint chiefs of staff and others not to release them. What? He knew 3 weeks ago that they would be inflammatory-he’s playing us like a fiddle, this guy. Distractions, smoke screens,red herrings all designed to keep the attention away from the real agenda–to centralize the government–he’s already taking over the banks, the auto industry, next healthcare and utilities and all these really smart people and the adoring MSM are talking about some photos from the past administration. Pretty good, heh. In another month the photos will be out there and we’ll be 30 days closer to this thief using our trillions to takeover the private sector insuring America’s relegation to the third world.

  • CG

    Even though America’s referendum in the last election was a rebuke of Bush policies and issues, and even though Obama vigorously campaigned against four more years of Bush, or Bush-lite, Obama has thus far proved he is more Bush 3 than any of us could ever have imagined, ever. Obama is a huge disappointment. However all of this has become such a mess, my sentiments are in line with Glenn Greenwald rather than Lieberman, Graham and McCain. Here is but one of Greenwald’s articles on this matter…Obama administration threatens Britain to keep torture evidence concealed

    Clearly Obama has never been ready, even on day 101. And though so early in his term, he’ll say anything one day and something else the next day, it’s all about reelection, a campaign promise made one day, a campaign promise broken the next…

    • Diana

      Now why was it OK for him to start this whole mess, without thinking about the consequences of his actions, but he wants to use threats with them to keep them quiet? Makes no sense. I can’t believe he’s using these tactics with the UK. He really must be on one hell of a power trip.

      • ziggy

        My impression is that Cheney started this whole mess by refusing to keep his mouth shut during the first three months of Obama’s term of office. Instead, Cheney went on the attack. He pushed the entire matter of enhanced interrogation back into the spotlight. He asserted publicly and repeatedly that Obama’s policy changes were making America less safe, and kept at it.

        As I recall, Obama’s stated intention was to put the policies of the Bush administration behind us and leave any final judgement of their policies and actions to the historians. That, in spite of the fact that doing so drew very vocal criticism from the left. Add to that Cheney, and we got a situation that escallated by degrees.

        Even now, as Obama backs off by blocking the release of new damning photographs, his detractors condemn and attack him for it. They assert he’s trying to protect democrats who knew all about the Bush torture policies.

        Maybe Cheney wants his day in court?

        • Ani

          Nobody asserted he was trying to protect Democrats. I certainly did not. We are saying that it is reckless to put the photos out if you are not going to let the chips fall where they may and punish the necessary people – WHOEVER they are. To release evidence of a “crime” without “punishment” would be a disaster — why is it so hard for you to stay en pointe?

          This is not about Cheney. Obama is the President. Dick Cheney is out of office.

        • Benjamin

          Are you delusional? Your version of the facts is way off. It was Obama who stirred all this up when he released the first set of CIA interrogation memos.

          First, Obama says he wants to move on and not look back on this issue.
          Second, Obama released the previously top secret CIA memos which stirred this whole thing up.
          Third, Rahm Emanuel goes on Face The Nation and states that they do not desire to investigate this, that they want to move on.
          Fourth, two days later Obama incredibly reverses his position and says that Holder will determine whether there will be investigations or prosecutions.
          Fifth, being publicly accused of war crimes and threatened with possible prosecution, Cheney comes out and begins defending the Bush administration.
          Sixth, Obama releases the CIA memo that outlines when Pelosi was briefed and what she was briefed on – it contradicts her prior statements.
          Seventh, at some point after that memo release, Obama again states his desire to move on, etc.
          Eighth, Obama announces that he will not release the photos desired by the ACLU.

        • apishapa

          Yes, Cheney is getting his digs in at Obama. Cheney is and always has been a bully. He gets his way through intimidation. He is attacking Obama, because he knows Obama will back down. He stands there and asserts “torture is not illegal, and yes, by God, we did it and screw you all. What are you going to do about it anyway?”

          Obama is intimidated and runs and hides. Shame on him. This mess is not Cheney’s fault. He is doing exactly what he always does. He is a bastard and the damned near entire country hates him. Yet he has Obama cowering in the corner. This is Obama’s fault because he is a coward.

          Obama’s administration signed a settlement through the court promising to release these photos to end the suit by ACLU. This case is settled. Now he doesn’t want to pay up. He is a liar. He should be charged with contempt of court. You do not get to agree to a settlement in court and then change your mind just because the ex-VP has a hissy. Cheney is doing everything he can to halt the release of his photos because he knows he is going to be exposed as the monster we all know he is.Photos mean so much more than words. It is important that they be released.

          Obama is acting like a scared little sissy because that is what he is. That or else he really does believe he is above the law and so was the last administration.

  • kato

    Methinks Obama is tired of Peloosi’s power and he’s ready to let her go down. This has the appearance of letting Peloosi off the hook, trying to protect her (and others). But I bet in the back halls he’s fueling the firestorm Nancy is seeing.

    So innocent, yet so evil.

    His game will catch up with him.

    • Ani

      Wouldn’t be a bit surprised…

    • NomNomNom

      Truly. He doesn’t give a crap about Pelosi (or any other women, I’d bet): he didn’t even tell her the inauguration venue was changed to that coliseum, which made her look like a fool, he 180′d on FISA and the filibuster, he failed to drop the Bush tax cuts, and Pelosi is still for the investigation into the torture allegations.
      He let this go just far enough to get her name out there, then he backs off. Result: Cheney isn’t prosecuted and everyone blames Pelosi.
      Ugh I cannot stand BHO. Let all the guilty ones names come out and let them all be prosecuted; I don’t care if it’s every one of them.

    • Benjamin

      That’s what I’ve been thinking all along. Obama knew that Pelosi would be caught up in this when he released the first set of memos – and then Obama released the CIA memo basically caught Pelosi in a lie.

      I don’t think Obama ever intended for there to be prosections or even a truth commission. This was a political power play from the start. Further demonize the Bush admin and put them front and center, and throw Nancy Pelosi under the bus, Chicago style.

      Despite her requests for a truth commission, I’m sure the last thing she would want is to be put under oath in this situation. Obama is the guy who could make a commission possible, so he’s got Pelosi under this thumb where he wants her. Game over.

      Now, of course Obama is above the fray and he refuses to release those photos and wants to move on – leaving a lot of pissed off folks on both sides of this issue.

  • Hank

    I heard the TOTUS is mad at Obama, he told him to stop making him look bad. Your making me sound like Pelosi.

  • kat in your hat

    GOOD. I am *glad* he is not releasing the photos. What a #%$@%$%$ STUPID idea that was! Lieberman and Graham are 100% correct: “release of these old photographs of past behavior that has now been clearly prohibited can serve no public good, but will empower al-Qaeda propaganda operations, hurt our country’s image, and endanger our men and women in uniform.”

    Absolutely NO GOOD AT ALL would be served by releasing the pix. For what? So anti-Bush blogs post pix of water boarding for the next several years?? So that every country that hates the USA will do EXTRA torture to any American soldier and tourist hostage???

    The men and women were following orders, and now those orders are archaic and gone for good.

    • snosandy

      Exactly. How come it took the POTUS so long to figure out what many of us have known for weeks?

    • Animal Control

      Following Orders?

      What was the name of that German city?????????

      Oh yea, it was Nuremberg–ring a bell?

      • kat in your hat

        Yeah, American soldiers are Nazis. Good for you.

        • Animal Control

          Boy what a strong argument. Is that the best you got?
          I don’t think there’s anything under your hat.

          • kat in your hat

            Animal Control: You think the water boarding had to do with exterminating millions of people?? Did the American soldiers make lampshades and soap out of the suspects? Or is that a myth? Is that what is in the photos? Proof of medical experiments maybe? Millions of people dumped in ditches and tossed into furnaces? Is THAT what is in the photos?? Are the photos in sepia? Black and white? Did the soldiers invent time travel and go back to the 1930′s and 1940′s concentration camps? Is that the great secret of the photos? Are THEY HIDING TIME TRAVEL? Yes, that must be it!!

    • apishapa

      Just exactly how do you know those behaviors are gone for good? Because they said so? Because Obama would never lie, just like Bush/ Cheney would never lie?If I murder my neighbor and promise I won’t do it again, does that get me off the hook? Should the evidence that I did it be buried, because I promise that bad behavior is over? And don’t give me any crap about heat of war and ticking bombs. It is all bullshit.

      Of course these photos must be released. Otherwise once again we can stick hour collective heads is the sand and pretend it never happened, or it wasn’t that bad. Obama is claiming these photos aren’t that bad. Nothing to see here. But if they are so innocuous, they why not do what you agreed to do in court and release them? Becaue tehy are that bad. They show the world how far this nation has devolved into barbarism.

      The entire reason toture has been denied and in many instances encouraged (and by some applauded) by our own government and populace is because they have been able to hide the results. They say it wasn’t that bad. Frat boy pranks. A little water on the head. No harm. Boys being raped, well they probably liked it. Women being raped. Well, what did they expect? Prisoners being murdered, well they are all terrorists. We cannot be expected to behave as anything other than barbarians in war.

      It is all okay if we never have to look at it and acknowledge what we as a country did and approved. If we do not ever face our actions we are all to blame.

      Everyone involved in these shameful acts by our government in our name needs to be marched in front of the world and punished under the law as we prom ised we would do when we signed all those treaties against torture. Otherwise we must stop pretending to be anything other than the same kind of monsters who did this.

  • kat in your hat

    But anyway, for those who MUST see the pix (wtf?) just know this: You will one day. You will. Because if I know Oblow, I know this: the photos will be released by some sort of “leak” and someone in the CIA will be blamed, and Oblow will be “outraged” and his hands will be clean of any blame from anyone in either party.

  • SHV

    But anyway, for those who MUST see the pix (wtf?) just know this: You will one day
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    The picture were ordered released by the Second Federal Appeals Court..I don’t know where the next appeal is but time is running out for the DOJ.

    • Animal Control

      Either the full Second Circuit or The Supreme Court

  • SHV

    Either the full Second Circuit or The Supreme Court
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    Thanks…that was my guess..If the full court upholds the (three?)judge ruling..will the SC grant Cert?

    • Animal Control

      Good question.

      • SHV

        Just a quick search but FOIA cases don’t seem to attract the interest of the SCOTUS.

        The only recent one that I could find was Taylor v. Sturgell and that was described as a rare FOIA case for the SCOTUS.

  • http://trackacrat.com/ Track-A-’Crat

    That’s because President Obama is The Backwards Man :

    http://trackacrat.com/2009/05/14/barack-obama-the-backwards-man/

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      Great blog! Enjoy your wry commentary!

      • http://trackacrat.com/ Track-A-’Crat

        Thank you, Hillary – I’ll check yours out tomorrow in greater depth (but like what I see already), beddy-byes for me now.

  • politicsisdirty

    He won because of all the promises he has made and the American people are just too dumb to see through the promises. Furthermore, what do you expect from an OJT president? Indecision, right?

  • Babs

    I have gotten so cynical regarding Obama that I find myself always looking for the real reason he does anything. In the matter of the release of these photographs, don’t forget he’s going to Egypt the first week in June. Imagine the anti-American demonstrations greeting him if the photos were released before his visit. Can’t have that, can we? Remember, it’s always and forever about him.

  • Palm Tree

    . Imagine the anti-American demonstrations greeting him if the photos were released before his visit. Can’t have that, can we? Remember, it’s always and forever about him.

    Very good point Babs.

  • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

    Drudge has a photo up from Austrailian source who “some how” got hold of them. Did any one really think when Obama decided not to release them that he would REALLY not see to it that someone would release them? This stinks of Rahm and David.

  • CG