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Nancy Pelosi, A Lying C******n

(bumped up from Thursday evening)

That’s right. She’s a lying Congresswoman. Good God! How brazen and how stupid can the leader of congressional Democrats be? Are they going to tolerate this kind of smear of the CIA?

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She can’t figure out what her damn story is.

Here is the bottomline. The CIA under George Tenet, with the full backing of the Office of General Counsel and the Director for Operations, Jim Pavitt, went to the Hill and briefed Senators and Representatives from both parties that they were taking off the gloves and were going to use “enhanced” interrogation methods. That’s a euphemism for torture. Pelosi, a disgusting, sniveling coward now has the audacity to pretend she was never told and had no idea what was planned for the terrorist suspects.

In fact, she now insists that the CIA was just one more lying mouthpiece of the Bush Administration. The CIA is not a perfect organization and certainly has its flaws, but it did not lie to Congress about enhanced interrogation or its plans to use those practices. Pelosi, you are a liar. She should be put under oath. The sooner the better.

  • listing starboard

    I hope that the CIA has enough evidence to absolutely unequivocally destroy this piece of human garbage. She is a malignant corrupt hypocritical disgrace to the United States of America.

    • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

      I second that. Help us, CIA!!!!!

      …and keep digging, Nancy :)

      • Docelder

        She has the right to remain silent, just not the good sense to. Maybe we can see her spend some time in the high chair, under the T.V. camera lights. So much for history. Let’s put historical Nancy behind us, and move forward. We have a lot of damage to control.

      • http://noquarter foxyladi14

        i.ve got a nice new shovel to loan to her.

    • KmX

      Both democrats and republicans were briefed. When it was popular to have EIT, they all wanted credit. NOW that EIT are unpopular, the democrats want all the blame to go on Bush.

      Nancy should have registerred her opposition to EIT back in 2002!!!!!!!

      • NoBamaNoWay

        exactly, and of course all the bots feel the same way.

    • Turning to port aka TeakwoodKite

      I just busted the dam bildge pump when I heard the sound of the Speaker of the House denigrate the esteemed office she holds get jammed in it.

    • lorac

      Is the CIA the agency which could expose her as being the one who signed off on Obama’s eligibility in office? I’ve heard they know the truth – maybe they could expose it, and bring her down, too, as she fraudently “verified” he met the qualifications.

      But however she gets the boot, her replacement would take her place in line as “heirs to the ethrown”. If it’s Steny, is there any dirt on him that would keep him from being moved up the presidential ladder should the castle begin to crumble? (I’m just thinking of the people between Hillary and her rightful place)

      • lorac

        “heir to the throne”
        …. I must be tired!

  • Doc99

    Can you say Speaker Hoyer?

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • creeper

        No!!!! Hoyer’s no better than Pelosi. Don’t forget his initial support of the invasion of Iraq and his caving on telecom immunity.

        Sorry, but I don’t know who to promote as next Speaker. They’re all crooks.

    • termo

      Should have been that way from the beginning.

  • SHV

    She is a War Criminal:

    (“AP I”) of 1977 to the Geneva Conventions of 1949.

    … if they knew, or had information which should have enabled them to conclude in the circumstances at the time, that he was committing or about to commit such a breach and if they did not take all feasible measures within their power to prevent or repress the breach.”

  • Eastan McNeal

    Didn’t we recently send an Alaskan Senator home for being accused of lying on an ethics disclosure form?

    But if we apply those standards to Nancy the next thing you know someone will be asking to see where in Obama’s senate disclosure statements he listed the value of the discounts he got on his “Home with Rezko” deal.

  • jbjd

    I am confused. You say, the CIA briefed her about these policies, indicating they would be used (in the future). She said, she was briefed these policies were being considered when, in fact, they were already in use.

    • Benjamin

      That was dear Nancy’s first story – that she was informed of the EIT’s, but was not told that they would be used.

      Then out popped a new CIA memo, released by the Obama campaign, which indicated that she was in fact briefed that these techniques, including waterboarding, were in fact being used on Abu Z-something. The same memo also showed that she was briefed a second time, in Feb. 03, but it turns out her aide attended that brief for her. Nancy is currently saying she wasn’t briefed on that brief. :)

  • kavala007

    If anyone believes her comments, maybe they would be interested in the bridge that’s for sale.

  • SHV

    This is the latest “push-back” by the CIA that I can find:

    “Au contraire, sayeth CIA spokesman George Little, who noted that a chart recently given to Congress listing every briefing to them on “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques” (EITs) since 9/11 shows that Pelosi was indeed told in September 2002 that CIA had begun waterboarding Zubaydah a month earlier, in August 2002 – 83 times, in fact.

    The chart said Pelosi and ex-Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.) received from CIA “Terrorist Busters” at the agency’s Counterterrorist Center a “briefing on EITs including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a description of the particular EITs that had been employed.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2009/05/cia-to-cheney-and-pelosi-stop.html

  • Jackarooty

    She can’t figure out what her damn story is.

    Larry, everyone else can figure it out! I’ve been watching her for a few weeks. The woman is imploding.

    Schadenfreude…it’s a beautiful thing.

  • samb

    -WARNING- BOTOX ON THE BRAIN, DON’T DRINK, DON’T DRIVE, AND LIE THREW YOUR TEETH. WHAT A LOSER !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • J_Gocht

    “She’s a lying Congresswoman.”

    “Are they going to tolerate this kind of smear of the CIA?”

    Come on LJ…?

    Are yah gonna kid a kidder…?

    Olde soldier Sends…!

  • LAUREN

    Is she suggesting that career government officials, those very CIA briefers, are the ones that “lied” to her? What would have been their motivation for lying to her but others who got the same briefing not being lied to? Why does she suggest she was powerless? Did she think she was just getting the briefing as an fyi or because she was the ranking chair of the Oversight Committee? Is not the role of the Committee to provide oversight? What exactly does she think that oversight means? And what about the point that she reportedly asked if the CIA was doing enough to get information from the detainees? Does she really think it is fair for the Democrats to drag the CIA and Bush administration officials’ name through the political mud and then to cry foul when they answer a question as to who was briefed? Does she think the American public is that gullible?

    • politicalidentitycrisis

      Well, they did buy the Obama marketing campaign-lol!

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    I am truly enjoying this show. I keep saying that Pelosi and Obama best beware of blowback when pissing off the CIA and Cheney. I wouldn’t want to be them. I have my popcorn ready yet again in anticipation for the next installment. I cannot wait until Pelosi (and eventually Obama) get what’s coming to them.

    Payback is a bitch.

    where is that popcorn stand dude? It’s time to open the concession stand again!

    • trixta

      According to cable news, the Obama administration will continue the policy of military tribunals at Gitmo. Didn’t he vow to stop this policy during his presidential campaign?

  • Barney

    Larry,

    You talk in generalizations. It is very suspect that the CIA actually mentioned water boarding in 2002 and their documentation, based on recollections is very suspect. Bob Graham, a Republican, who was also supposively briefed said that the CIA was wrong on the dates he was supposively briefed and he does not recall the CIA ever mentioning waterboarding or what specifically they were doing. In fact, they had already started using these techniques before they told anyone.

    All this is complete BS and taking the focus off the real calprets here….

    I know you have 100% loyalty to the CIA, but there was some funny and potentially illegal stuff going on at the CIA during the Bush years. Why should we beleive the CIA, given that it was pushing the Bush agenda? They probably had every incentive, given that it was driven by Bush people, to keep the Democrats in the dark.

    • Michele

      If you are talking about Senator Bob Graham of Florida, he is a democrat.

    • Benjamin

      Pelosi has already admitted that she was informed about waterboarding when her aide attended a briefing in Feb. 03. That one is not in dispute, only the briefing she got in 2002.

  • graywolf

    The CIA leaked daily to “get” Bush.
    They didn’t like him.
    Now, Bush and Cheney are gone.
    And the CIA has a new BFF – Nancy Pelosi.
    Be careful what you wish for.
    Just more proof of the general ineptitude and stupidity of the mediocrities who inhabit the career bureaucracy

  • http://bullmoosegal.blogspot.com bullmoosegal

    It seems good ‘ole Nancy is going to do the heavy lifting for those of us unhappy with the Democratic dominance over Congress and the last Presidential election. Thanks, Nance! We owe you one!

  • KmX

    From what I am hearing Rahm Emmanuel, Axelrod, Obama are fed up with Nancy Pelosi leadership and wnats Hoeyer to take over. They want a new speaker. On the other hand, Nancy Peolosi and Murtha are on the same team and they think that Rahm is out to get them.

    Remember Nancy supported Murtha against Hoyer for the leadership position.

    I have no doubt that Both Nancy and Rahm will be leaking more damaging info about each otehr ver soon. It is Nancy who started the rumor that dome democrats don’t like the way Obama is handling national security.

    Expect Nancy to blame Hillary for all tis soon. lol

    • Chris

      Out of the frying pan into the fire. It just seems so convenient that she is getting the heave ho under the bus. Methinks the OB team has gotten all they want from her so she’s being made into trash waiting to be put to the curb and she’s not taking it well. She can’t believe her wonder boy is sending her away. Anybody see his face yesterday when she practically elbowed him out of the way to get to the mike to make a statement and praise him to the cameras? He was not amused to say the least. A desperate woman is hard to watch. Afraid the OB team wants to lock down their hold on the House and she’s not getting the job done. Stoyer’s their boy and god help us all when he gets in. The stranglehold will be tightened and America will pay the price.

    • Benjamin

      Under the bus goes dear Nancy – and she’s in for a hard landing.

      I seriously think this was one of Obama’s goals when he released that first set of CIA memos. He knew that Nancy would be caught up in this.

      When Pelosi made her first public statement – that she was briefed on the techniques but not that they would be used – WHAM – almost on cue, Obama releases the memo that showed she was indeed briefed that EIT’s, including waterboarding, were being used.

      The last thing Pelosi would want is to be put under oath, and Obama now has the threat of the Truth Commission over her.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    this splains why she wouldn’t go after Bush..she is guilty too

  • chmoore

    The member briefing says
    “9/4/02 Briefing on EITs including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a description of the particular EITs that had been
    employed.
    Porter Goss
    Nancy Pelosi”

    Nancy says
    “I was briefed on interrogation techniques the Administration was considering using in the future.”
    And she refers to
    “…a cover letter from CIA Director Panetta accompanying the briefings memo released this week concedes that the descriptions provided by the CIA may not be accurate.”

    Actually,that letter reaaly says (in part)
    “This letter presents the most thorough information we have on dates, locations, and names of all Members of Congress who were briefed by the CIA on enhanced interrogation techniques. This information, however, is drawn from the past files of the CIA and represents MFRs completed at the time and notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals. In the end, you and the Committee will have to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened. We can make the MFRs available at CIA for staff review.”

    So, all we need now is for staff to review the MFRs, inflame the story further, and then we’ll have proof positive of a conspiratorial plot to revive the ailing newspaper industry.

    • Retired

      I think I have a better idea. Since the release of the DoJ legal opinons effectively details the “enhanced” interrogation techniques to the point that there really isn’t any more that can be “compromised” anyway, let’s just declassify and publically realease the MFRs, as well. As any intel officer who has ever briefed an oversight committee is aware, these MFRs represent contemporaneous documentation of individual recollections of who said what at a briefing and are usually prepared within 24 hours of the briefing based on notes taken during the briefing. Then let the public decide what the truth is. I’m willing to be satisfied with a judgement based on what the contemporaneous MFRs say, before they are redacted by Pelosi’s or anyone else’s staffers.

      • Benjamin

        Pelosi already said she was requesting those documents at her presser today. An article on Politico said she requested the actual briefing minutes and the CIA said, sure, anybody with proper clearance can get these.

        If the contents of the minutes are not favorable to her, those memos will never see the light of day. If they help her, Pelosi will have them made public pretty fast.

        • http://! stodgie

          benjamin, it is called cherry picking!

        • Retired

          Yep, that’s right. She won’t do it over the weekend if the memos make her look good, because she’ll want max exposure. So if we don’t see her waving the MFRs by, say, Wednesday of next week, they must make her look like a liar.

    • Benjamin

      In a nutshell, that cover letter is simply saying that actual witness testimony would be needed before the memo could become actual evidence. This is true for any document prepared like that.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    joe biden said women would suffer a setback if Palin became VP. UM….. no joe sweetie pie, you have it all WRONG. We women as well as this great nation of ours as a whole have suffered a setback with pelosi.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      she is pretty embarrassing. sad.

    • lorac

      Maybe the people for whom she has set the worst example are her fellow Plastic People. She set a historical precedent by being the first Plastic Speaker of the House, and look how she has let people down.

      She was able to get many, many non-plastic people (and 96% of the Plastic voting population) behind her reform platform (remember? Impeach NOW!), and two seconds after assuming the Speaker role, it was off the table. It should have been a hint for the lying and flip-flopping to come in the months ahead. Oh, my, these politicians saying one thing but doing another.

      But no, she was to be different. We all hoped that a Plastic Person would be the change we were waiting for. Now, it may take many, many years before another Plastic Person will be elected, after the damage she has done, and the Plastic People may have learned to not vote merely on the plastic-ness of a candidate’s skin.

  • Diana L. C.

    Well I clearly remember being totally upset that our Democratic Congressmen and women didn’t push back because it WAS clear to most of the general public who kept up with the news that it WAS HAPPENING. It was apparent to me, and I wasn’t briefed. Even if I had been, I would have caused a stink about the use of”enhanced interrogation” even in the case that I didn’t think it was being used yet. So where is her defense? You don’t push back in advance of a wrong, only after the fact?

    We would have to consider her pretty dense, naive, or stupid to believe her story. So to believe her story, we would then have to go on to believe she is too dense, naive, and stupid to retain her position.

    • NoBamaNoWay

      pretty much.

  • SHV

    So where is her defense? You don’t push back in advance of a wrong, only after the fact?
    *********
    If that is her defense, then she is still a War Criminal. As a “high” government official she knew torture was likely to be used and she didn’t try to prevent it’s use.

    • Diana L. C.

      That was exactly my point. You are obligated in her position to SAY SOMETHING! I was terribly upset that the Dems never seemed to have any backbone at the time.

      • Benjamin

        One problem is that the information in these briefings is highly classified, so you can’t actually SAY anything. You can, however, submit a letter of protest to the record like Jane Harman did.

  • HARP
    • http://! stodgie

      hoyer is having the drapes for her office measured as i write. hehehe

  • centerground

    I think you are being much too kind to Mrs. Pelosi.

    Does anyone else think that her constant referencing to her statement is her own version of Bobblehead Obama’s teleprompter twitch?

    First she accuses the CIA of lying to her in 2002 during Bush. Now she accuses the CIA under Obama of lying by releasing memos that prove she is wrong. Yep, they are all lying because pure innocent Nancy didn’t know a fraking thing about what was going on. Right.

    On the face of it her position is irrational. If, as she says, she was only briefed that they had a legal opinion declaring the enhanced procedures were legal wouldn’t it seem that a reasonable person might assume that they might use them. So what proof does she have that she objected in any way to this legal conclusion or attempted to stop the practices? It should be obvious that there is none. Oh, except that she realized at that moment that what she needed to do was get a new Congress and President elected. What a complete farce.

    I hope she goes down hard and soon.

    • HARP

      So in her opinion, Politics take precedent over the security of the country.

      • Jackarooty

        Nancy Pelosi takes precedent over both.

  • Ellen D

    Now Bob Graham says the CIA lied. Is there something in the water?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/14/graham-cia-gave-me-false_n_203683.html

  • JRD

    Is this what they meant by “shovel ready?”

    • politicalidentitycrisis

      LOL!

  • SHV

    Now Bob Graham says the CIA lied. Is there something in the water?
    **********
    No..I think they are starting to have mental images of themselves being strapped to a gurney with a needle in their arm. Under US law death is the max penalty for war crimes and torture.

    • termo

      Graham was always a little “off.”

  • J_Gocht

    Hey chmoore and Ellen D…
    09.04.2002…

    Seven years…

    You know, today my home office requested, I remember and provide a technical equipment and system design backgrounder… I produced personally as an “Excel spreadsheet and attachment” to a “Word document” I sent via email…in 2007…?

    Well hell, that’s only two years ago…but I didn’t have a clue.
    Thank you MS…”Word” and “Excel”…!

    My thought would bee…!
    chmoore…Ellen D and Nancy Pee…are “special person[s]”…!

    Olde Soldier Sends…

  • termo

    I’m still trying to figure out what “C******n” is?

    • chmoore

      To explain it would make it not funny anymore

  • CG

    Every memo, every briefing, every video, every photograph, every post-it note, meeting minutes, case reports, all of it, should be released, preferably publicly, and assessed by a non-political commission (not of the variety of the terrible 911 commission). Watching/listening to that Pelosi video got mighty painful, with that tortured response. We need the truth, and transparency now. No harm will come with the details, because the whole world ALREADY knows there were: interrogations, torture, brutality, cruelty, waterboarding, abductions, renditions, deaths, photographs, videos, black sites and Guantanamo, involvement of other nations, briefings to Congress, Abu Ghraib investigations and prosecutions, etc. With what we already know haven’t we already been desensitized? So it is time for the complete exposure to the facts and the truth. On several occasions Dick Cheney and others defending all this have asked that documents be released, and now Pelosi is asking as well. As long as we have conflicting versions of everything, clouds of doubt and suspicion hang over the Bush Administration, especially Cheney who was actively involved in decisions to torture, Congress, the military, the contractors, and the CIA, the media, and now the Obama administration, etc. We all know it is bad because videos were destroyed, because of the coverups, because there has been deliberate lying, misinformation and leaks. Nothing good can come from perpetuating this farce. And when it comes to the Obama administration threatens Britain to keep torture evidence concealed, it’s gone way too far.

  • Diana

    Are they going to tolerate this kind of smear of the CIA?

    I don’t think it matters what they’re going to tolerate. Many of them know they’re going to be made into fools if she keeps this up. Then they’ll turn on her and Obama with a vengence. Obama for releasing the original information without thinking about the implications to not only Republicans, but Democrats. I have a feeling it’s going to get interesting…

    I think the CIA will face her down on her challenge and accusations. I do believe she issued a challenge to the CIA she’s going to regret. I don’t believe it’s an agency that wants to be toyed with by either party. She couldn’t even look into the camera directly. Her eyes were all over the place. She raised her eyebrows after every comment like it was a question she wasn’t sure of. Even Hoyer refused to back up her claim.

    Found these links from an article on this over on Hot Air:

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s deputy in the House declined to back her up on her stunning claim Thursday that the CIA misled Congress about its use of enhanced interrogation techniques.

    Rep. Steny Hoyer, the House majority leader, panned the recent criticism of Pelosi as a “distraction” during a verbal tangle with Republican Whip Eric Cantor on the House floor.

    But when asked directly whether he shares Pelosi’s belief that the CIA misled Congress, he backed off.

    “I have no idea of that. I don’t have a belief of that nature because I have no basis on which to base such a belief,” Hoyer said. “And I certainly hope that’s not the case. And I don’t draw that conclusion.”

    http://tinyurl.com/pvvsja

    House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer said Tuesday that investigations into the Bush administration’s use of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects should look into what congressional leaders, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, knew about the methods that have been criticized as torture.

    http://tinyurl.com/os25ba

    For HotAir’s article written by Allahpundit:
    http://tinyurl.com/qjkdu4

  • ziggy

    The CIA is asserting that they have proof Pelosi is lying. I won’t accept that assertion without proof. I believe it’s entirely reasonable to think that dragging Pelosi into the spotlight at this point is nothing more than an effort to divert attention from the real issue. It’s an attempt to distract us from the matter of illegal and immoral acts done in very high places. It’s a desperate effort to spread the political damage.

    My response is straightforward: Put up or shut up. The CIA should either lay out the evidence or stop claiming they have it.

    • http://www.lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com whoframedrudy

      And you’re making a desperate effort to limit the political damage to one side.

      Maybe Dennis Praeger is right about the left. If they were really so deeply oppposed to torture, they’d demand Pelosi resign as Speaker instead of posing as her criminal defense attorney.

      And they’d have given John McCain credit for his opposition to torture — one of the reasons I voted for him.

      The left was using torture to keep the spotlight on stinker Bush–the x-President. Now it’s come back to bite Pelosi.

      To paraphrase Nixon, you don’t have George Bush to kick around anymore. The campaign is over. Obama has to stand or fall on his own productivity.

    • Benjamin

      ziggy, who do you think dragged Nancy into the spotlight? Think real hard now: who released those interrogation memos that started all this? Who releasing the briefing memo that zinged her and contradicted her story? If you think real hard, I’m sure you can figure all this out.

      • Ellen D

        Yes, good point.
        Wasn’t it Pelosi that helped sabotage Hillary to get Obama in? Now he is throwing her under the bus. At some point it’s going to get pretty hard to drive that bus.

  • IndieDogg

    News Flash!!

    Photo of Nan Pelosi released to clarify her previous clarification of her clarifications released earlier, which the CIA intentionally twisted. As Nan says, “There’s a big damned difference between a water park and a dungeon — somebody should have told me.”

    See photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38403907@N04/?saved=1

  • Mercedes

    Nobody seems to like Nancy Pelosi, including myself. But there she sits, tight as a bug in a rug. I have never heard anyone defend her. All of her colleagues seem to trail around after her with their heads in their hands. Where does her power really come from, I’d like to know. She must have a lot of good stuff on more than a few of her fellow politicians. What is the real issue here, I wonder. I’ll bet somehow she has reneged on some deal with the devil. The fact that she is lying about anything is not too earthshaking…because they are all a pack of shameless liars…every last one of them.

  • r2d2

    I doubt that San Franciscans will make her pay. Pelosi is truly disgusting.

    • ziggy

      Pelosi failed to reveal her suspicions about certain interrogation procedures put on the table by the Bush administration–policies that the Bush administration asserted had been determined to be entirely legal. Revealing her suspicions would have required her to disregard the fact that this information had come to her attention during a classified committee meeting, the very fact of which was secret. Doing that during wartime would have gone well beyond misconduct. It could have been considered treasonous. At worst, it may eventually be established that she recently lied about how much she knew. There would be serious political consequences, but she would have done nothing illegal.

      That’s more than can be said for any number of republicans who actually put Cheney’s torture policies in place. They may wind up being prosecuted for a host of serious crimes.

      Disgusting is relative.

      • IndieDogg

        Simply wrong.

        Your position has been contradicted by ranking members of the responsible committees in the Congress, from BOTH parties.

        Most telling, however, is the fact that your assertion hasn’t been made by Pelosi herself. Considering how many rationales she has tried out to date, you’d think she’d have thought of this one. Besides, she didn’t have to “reveal” her suspicions (which weren’t suspicions at all — they were facts reviewed with her and others in formal briefings) to the Washington Post; she only had to “reveal” them to the parties involved, including her own Gang of Four members.

        It’s astounding the lengths to which the defenders of any and all things Democrats do, no matter how lame-brained, underhanded or, in this case, blatantly dishonest, will go. Now you’re making excuses that even the accused didn’t make. That’s a new one.

        I await the day when crying “George Bush” isn’t the Left’s response to every issue.

        • ziggy

          Once the facts are all laid out–assuming that they eventually are–I will consider what they actually mean about Pelosi. I’m not making excuses. I’m just pointing out that at this point the facts are few and far between. What I see are people going after Pelosi for presumed failings and presumed lies, primarily to divert attention away from people we know to have instigated torture policies, to have repeatedly lied, to have repeatedly circumvented the law, and to have destroyed evidence of their crimes.

          • indiedogg

            Funny how the “facts” you like are quoted as absolute (w/o attribution, of course) and those you don’t are pooh poohed away by questioning the motives of those making the statements. I’ll give you one of my sources (he’s a Democrat and he’s on the Intelligence Committee, does that jog any brain cells) if you give me yours.

            Or, we could just wait to see what “we know” or don’t.

            You’re the one who suggested it would be “treason” for Pelosi to have uttered a peep.

            I was merely pointing out that this assertion is specious (translate: false).

            I was not defending anyone who broke the law or destroyed evidence, whoever they might turn out to be. Nor, do I make up defenses for those caught bald-faced in a lie that even the liar hasn’t had the temerity to claim.

            • ziggy

              I consider that an accurate statement:

              We know that support for the invasion of Iraq was built on misstatements, half-truths, administrative disregard for inconvenient information gathered by our intelligence agencies, and deliberate lies.

              We know high-placed people in the Bush administration broke the law. (The outing of Valerie Plame immediately comes to mind, along with illegal wiretapping. How many Executive Orders circumvented the Constitution?)

              What about the destruction of nearly 100 waterboarding videotapes? Wasn’t that the deliberate destruction of evidence, undertaken when the torture issue became public? No one can tell me that transcripts of interrogation sessions have as much value to intelligence analysts as video tapes. From an intelligence perspective this was counter-productive. So there was clearly some overriding motive.

              • Ellen D

                Ah – a reminder of the destroyed videotapes. I’m not in intelligence – merely the entertainment business – but I have backups of everything. And all videotapes are now on DVDs and hard drives. Every so often we back up again on new media.
                I find it very hard to believe that there were no copies or backups made on these videotapes. It has always bothered me. These days you can compress and back up stuff on flash drives that are on your key chain. I’m sure the CIA has even tinier stuff. Does everyone believe that there is no trace anywhere of this stuff?

      • http://! stodgie

        ziggy, you need some r&r desperately!

        • ziggy

          Don’t we all…

      • http://www.lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com whoframedrudy

        “Disgusting is relative.”

        And some people are more equal than others? Is that you, Squealer?

        (In George Orwell’s Animal Farm, Squealer manipulates language to excuse, justify, and extol all of Napoleon’s (Stalin’s) actions.)

      • Diana

        It couldn’t have been too secrative Ziggy. McCain has been talking about it for years. Since 2003 if I remember correctly. Fighting against torture, introducing a bill against it, when he seemed to be getting nowhere just talking about it. Amnesty International has been petitioning, speaking out against it for years. Which means even if she didn’t know about it in those meetings with the CIA, she knew about it in session. Including every single Democrat or Republican in office. Or are you saying not one of them heard McCain speak, read the bill he introduced?

        Here we have an article from 2006

        On October 5, the Senate voted on an amendment (S.AMDT.1977) to the 2006 Department of Defense Appropriations Act that would have prohibited the use of not only torture, but also the cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment of anyone in the custody of the U.S. government.

        The amendment was introduced by Senator John McCain (R-AZ), and had eleven co-sponsors: Lamar Alexander (R-TN), Lincoln Chafee (R-RI), Susan Collins (R-ME), Richard Durbin (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Carl Levin (D-MI), John Warner (R-VA), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Gordon Smith (R-OR), and John Sununu (R-NH).

        http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance58.html

        Then we have this article from 2005

        Coming at a moment when both CIA Director Porter Goss and Vice President Cheney have been crusading to exempt the CIA from pending legislation authored by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., that would ban U.S. government personnel from using torture, and other abusive conduct, in interrogations, the story has been particularly resonant — especially when at least one prisoner under CIA supervision at the now-defunct Afghanistan “salt pit” black site died as a result of abuse.

        http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1105/112305nj1.htm

        Yet, another one from CBS

        McCain was the point man in 2005 in the ultimately successful effort to gain Bush’s signature on legislation banning the use of torture against detainees in the war on terror.

        “We’ve sent a message to the world that the United States is not like the terrorists,” he said at the time, seated in the Oval Office near a president whose aides had once threatened a veto over the ban. McCain’s victory came despite a personal, closed-door appeal to Republican senators from Vice President Dick Cheney to exempt CIA employees from the prohibition.

        http://tinyurl.com/qpqs6y

        You can find many more articles in the archives. In 2005 assuming Nancy had no idea what was going on…She felt no neeed to question why McCain was introducing this bill? To question why he was speaking out against torture since 2003 and the United States use of it against terrorists?

        • Diana

          I’m sorry. That should read secretive and need. Not neeed.

  • helenk

    Will she get her own bus? Being one of the American people who was thrown under the bus I do not want her anywhere near where I am.
    She did every thing she could legal or not to get this rac–t – anti American – know nothing in office. She cared nothing for America, the constitution, and the people. She is helping bankrupt this country.
    I hope she rots

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • I’m a Linda too

    Thank you Larry. I was hoping to hear from you on this.

    Can you believe Pelosi? She couldn’t even say her crap without her throat closing up from all her lies.

    …and, she made my laptop CRASH.

    Can you believe her load of crap? Gee, let’s just lie, accuse the CIA of lying (and expect to have her back?) and just throw out there nonchalantly …”mmmm… and someone else spoke up, still not I and then I never said a word again until I wanted to make it a political tool and blame Bush for something I knew and never raise a hand about”.

    Yes, get her under oath.

  • IndieDogg

    Did nobody like my Pelosi photo??

    I admit I did it myself but I thought it was pretty darn funny. We could use a laugh now and again and, goodness knows, Nancy Pelosi is wonderful material.

    Here’s the link again: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38403907@N04/?saved=1

    • larry Johnson

      Yes, very funny.

  • J_Gocht

    So Congresswoman, Pelosi should have been more forth coming…
    So then what…?

    She should have disclosed the “Top Secret” backgrounder she had been “storied” on by the very “perps” of “attitude and consequence”…or perhaps…

    She should now have resigned her elected position in the US House of Representatives and exposed… the contents of the “Top Secret” briefings she had been privy too…or she could have made public the despicable continuing sequence and institutional scenario of enhanced torture techniques, that were [are] then [were] continually, systemically, prevalent and that now, unfortunately, she had very personal and culpable, knowledge, of, concerning…?

    Damn…what to do…?

    I’d shot the MFKEN, briefing, “asset[s]” during a “fire fight”…!
    Sie la vie, Sie la Guerra…!

    Damned if you do… or damned if you don’t…!

    “Hobson’s Choice…”

    Hang tough…Nancy…!

    At least the FBI has “clean hands”…and some other “finite minority” of “other soldiers” that opted, out…!

    • larry Johnson

      She could have written a letter for starters. She could have made a speech about what is appropriate interrogation methods without divulging the TS info. She could have gotten together with the other Democrats and sought out John McCain. But she did nothing except pretend to be a stupid bimbo. And she’s not even a blond.

      Thanks to all of her facelifts she looks permanently surprised.
      LJ

      • indiedogg

        Ohhhhhhhh, ouch!!

        That was good.

      • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

        Best chuckle all night! Do you think her deer in the headlights look will help her defense? LOL!

  • Doc99

    Richard Fernandez:

    …Now both Pelosi and Obama are caught between the political necessity of preventing another 9/11 and losing their jobs or explaining what might have to be done and risk losing their jobs. Kerry was right: “torture elicits lies.” But not in the way he meant.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/14/she-said-he-said/#more-3859

  • http://! stodgie

    well, take a good look! we now know whose backside nancy will cover to the detriment of the country. for that alone her sorry arse needs to go.

  • tek

    It’s exactly the response Bush would have used. God these people are the third GWBush administration.

  • Retired

    Hey Larry, it must’ve been a long day. I’m not sure what C******n means. Please email me and let me know, compadre.

  • Cindy

    She is botoxic. What do you expect.
    Do they really refer to her cleavage as the “Silicon Valley”?

  • Cathy in Ks.

    Thanks Larry! I started to dislike Nancy Pelosi during the democratic primaries. It’s ironic how so many of the democrats who came out supporting Obama prematurely and for no good reason have “crashed and burned” in just a matter of months. It looks like Pelosi is next on the list. Karma seems to be working quickly these days.

    • Chris

      Planned obsolescence by the OB team. Use ‘em and throw them away as soon as convenient. We saw it happen numerous times during the campaign. Only one that is surprised to be abandoned is poor ol’ Nancy. She just loves her Obama so much how could he do that? Let’s see how much fight she has in her and if she let’s some stored up dirt out of the bag against some of her supposed friends. Pass the popcorn.

      • http://! stodgie

        maybe obama thought the temporary furor over this was worth the goal of removing this power hungry woman with no real skills or talents from the power circle.

  • Babs

    Good move, Nancy. Call the CIA “liars”, tell everyone they mislead you “all the time”. What is this woman’s IQ anyway? I thank God every day for the brave nameless men and women of the CIA who work tirelessly to keep us safe, and I am sick to death of the politicizing of this agency and its people. They are the real American heroes, much of their good work unknown to the citizens of this country, and many go to their grave with just the love of country as their epitaph because we can never be told of their bravery and commitment to keeping us safe. Shut up, Nancy, just shut up.

  • Diana

    McCain in 2005 from Human Rights First.

    In a statement released by Senator McCain, he states:

    “We are Americans, and we hold ourselves to humane standards of treatment of people no matter how evil or terrible they may be. To do otherwise undermines our security, but it also undermines our greatness as a nation. We are not simply any other country. We stand for something more in the world — a moral mission, one of freedom and democracy and human rights at home and abroad. We are better than these terrorists, and we will we win. The enemy we fight has no respect for human life or human rights. They don’t deserve our sympathy. But this isn’t about who they are. This is about who we are. These are the values that distinguish us from our enemies.”

    http://tinyurl.com/bhx2b

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Nancy, Nancy, Nancy…didn’t your attorneys tell you not to keep changing your story?

    It will be interesting to see what she will say under oath. Oh yes, that needs to happen fast.

  • CG

    LJ, what do you think of this former CIA special agent… http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30750666#30750666 ?

    • Retired

      I think that Jack needs to get his facts straight. According to the records, it wasn’t sworn testimony under oath in front of a committee, it was a briefing of the Chairman and Ranking Member, probably with counsel and staff note takers present. If the briefers lied, it is unprofessional conduct worthy of dismissal and censure, but not a “crime” per se, at least until they are held in contempt through a separate action of Congress. Further, I hope Jack, who claims to have been at another oversight committee briefing, is not saying that CIA briefing teams were under White House pressure to lie to Congress to which he didn’t succumb, but his colleagues may have. Sounds pretty self-righteous to me.

  • TexasMirth

    Surely Pelosi cannot remain Speaker with this controversy brewing all around her, and that thought gives me a reason to smile.

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Exactly, TexasMirth.

    I tend to believe that this latest performance is just the next in a series of Pelosi’s juggling of the facts. She tends to skew things to whatever outcome she desires. Hence the complicity in getting Obama selected and the refusal to bring Bush to the table over the torture.

    I suspect she knew that she would come under fire about when and what she knew in the process of exposing Bush and Cheney. So, she was hoping to sweep it under the rug of executive privilege.

    She’s become toxic, no doubt.

  • mel

    Someone needs to take a look at the BIGGER picture here!

    What did Obama expect to gain in letting the documents out to begin with?

    Add to it his now reversal on releasing the pictures of the tourtured prisoners in Afganistan and Iraq leads to sommething far greater than what is going on here!

    Anyone consider how riled up all the loonies in the Muslim world will gain support of additional idiots to do the biddings for terrorists like Bin Ladin by all these disclosures?

    Doesn’t anyone in the WH Administration realize that having the POTUS release these things is also fueling the terrorists cause, or do they know it?

    Seems like a Billy Ayers tactic doesn’t it?

    • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

      Agreed. It appears that everything that comes out of the WH is a “stress test” of some sort. Looking for cracks and inroads to implant Obama style radicalism, the Obama WH is like a invasive cancer.

      Karma is a bitch and Nancy is likely one of the first big victims of supporting THAT One by dancing with the devil and changing the rules in order to shut out Hillary.

      Now here biggest enemy is her own stupid decision in supporting Obama.

      • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

        *an* invasive – sorry.

  • mel

    Screw Pelosi, she is a pawn in this entire game being played by the WH.

    Think about it, who ordered the release of the documents, just as who ordered the release of the prisoner pictures in Afgan and Iraq, before doing a 180 after releasing some, the Community Organizing POTUS!

    Why would someone allow releasing such damaging information to the world, without considering how it will fuel the terrorists cause and in some cases the Muslim world, or was that considered?

    Just as the fly over of NYC last month by Air Force One and F-16 escort was a goof, or was it?

    Just as Obama apologized to everyone at the G20 summit and tried to become friends with Chavez at the American Summit reveals things not considered.

    Never under estimate the tactics of an Acorn President!

  • CG

    Tracing torture’s trail I found this an interesting report with Charles Duelfer and Bob Windrem

  • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

    Hey Larry, thanks for posting this. The torture apologists who frequent the comment section of this blog love to fall back on the argument that investigating the abuses of the Bush administration would be “bad for the country”, that it’s time to “move on” and other such Limbaugh/Fox propaganda. My position has always been that any- and everyone who had a hand in crafting, approving and implementing not only torture but the confinement without trial of prisoners in US custody should be investigated and, if necessary, tried and incarcerated, regardless of position, party affiliation or claims that they “didn’t know”. Let the chips fall where they may.

    • Tom Cat “wodie j” Jefferson Esq

      Limbaugh/Fox propaganda? Do you listen to or watch either of these? Fox News is the ONLY media station that actually gives a shit about reporting the news fairly. What exactly have they reported that is propaganda?

      • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

        Aren’t you the same person who wanted proof that Rush “Feminazi” Limbaugh and the sexual harasser Bill “Falafel” O’Reilly had made sexist statements or had sexist points of view? LOL

        • http://! stodgie

          dc media girl, please refrain from name calling on here. thanks!

          • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

            I’m quoting Rush and O’Reilly directly. If you don’t like the language and name-calling you should complain to them, not me.

            Oh, and don’t lecture me on what I can and cannot write.

            Have a nice day. Thanks! :)

            • http://! stodgie

              hey media girl, you can express your thoughts and i sure as hexx can also. don’t lecture me either. got it!

  • Tom Cat “wodie j” Jefferson Esq

    She knew about this, most of Congress knew. 3000 Americans were just brutally killed on 9/11, there was blood in the water and Americans wanted justice. Congress wanted to give it to them via enhanced interrogation. It is now apparently not politically correct for Democrats so they want to take it all back.

    • Diana

      The thing that bothers me is many human rights groups were screaming about this 5 year ago. None of them should sit up there and say they had no idea it was happening. They were all petitioned, sent letters on it. John McCain started screaming about it in 2003.

      Everyone keeps saying these were secretive meetings she couldn’t talk about. BS, someone must have forgotten to inform McCain of such things, because he screamed. He also got several others on both sides to join him in drafting a bill against it. If he was talking about it then, it let her off the hook, she was free to speak out loud and clear. He’d already blown the lid off it. Yet she said/did nothing.

  • Tom Cat “wodie j” Jefferson Esq

    As some have been saying, if you are speaking the truth, from your heart, you don’t need notes to remember it. That is what Pelosi kept referring to for her statement. And smiling the entire time? Inappropriate as well. A very serious matter.

  • http://nobarack08.wordpress.com syc1959

    Pelosi’s new name – “The Botox Bitch”

    • Doc99

      If Pelosi keeps at it, her new name might be a Federal Inmate Number.

      • Tom Cat “wodie j” Jefferson Esq

        LOL

        • Docelder

          I saw somewhere in a blog the folks there were calling her the “San Francisco Treat”. I don’t have any idea why that seemed funny to me at the time. I think because she has become sort of an American anti-icon.. something like an inverse statue of liberty. Not with a graceful patina, but instead with a smarmy waxen smile.

  • maniaco

    Larry Johnson ~

    Do you have an opinion on agent Vicki Divoll?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/opinion/13divoll.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2

    Reports of the demise of Speaker of the House Pelosi are unrealistically premature . . .

  • http://trackacrat.com/ Track-A-’Crat

    Great post here about why it’s almost a certainty that Nancy is going to crash and burn:

    http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=10694#comment-98612

  • Surfered

    I’m shocked, shocked a politician would lie! This is a political sideshow. There’s one way to get to the bottom of it all. Appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate whether War Crimes were committed and, if so, by whom and who were accessories. And no one should be exempt because of their membership in any particular political party. Equal justice for all.

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    After the treatment of Hillary and the women of this country, which Nancy worked very hard to help enable, I find it ironic that she is a victim of her own enabling. Her behavior toward another woman during the last two years and her co-dependent behavior toward the abusers is about to come back at her. She helped to set back women’s rights by a minimum of 40 years and she was just dumb enough to think it wouldn’t affect her. She is an embarrassment to bright and capable women everywhere. And she tried to kick the ladder out from under her. Now she is about to need it for her descent.Rahm and Steny are thick as molasses. Nancy would best prepare for Steny’s reign.

    I couldn’t care less if she is Obama’s victim. Now she will know how it feels and it couldn’t happen to a better person. I wouldn’t spit on Nancy Pelosi if she were on fire.

    • Ani

      UW,

      Nancy put herself here. That is for sure. She has served her purpose. Certainly there is no love lost with this administration. You’re absolutely right about what she did to Hillary. She did kick the ladder out from under her at every opportunity last year. Looks like she may be about to find out how loyal this admin. is to her — not.

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Well said, UW and Ani.

  • JJ

    Let’s waterboard Pelosi and get the truth. While we are at it, let’s waterboard Cheney and get the truth how he orchestrated 9-11.

    • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

      Nancy’s signature song has changed from “Every Little Thing She Does (is Magic) by the Police to “Drive” by The Cars.

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  • OxyCon

    Poor Generalissimo Pelosi was fighting the Iraq war and the lying CIA at the same time.

  • postmaster

    Hey, CIA……..how about a little water boarding practice on this bimbo?

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    stick a fork in Nancy,her goose is cooked.

  • truthhurts

    Ms. Pelosi is incompetent, a liar, and exhibits no leadership; but it pretty darn good at blaming others for her stupidity. It is time for her to do what is best for this country and resign.

  • elvis postly

    No Nancy will get by with the CIA comment and lie. Obama and the dems will sweep this under the rug. The left news media will allow it to happen…
    The repubs will not be relentless like the dems would if the shoe was on the other foot. That kind of repub thinking is why the dems are in the majority now. If anything happens the CIA will leak some kind of scandal on her. That is if Panetta has any balls.