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Barack Obama Spins the Facts, Takes Single-Payer Health Care Off the Tab

Originally Published at Op-Ed News

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Tom Cramer’s Duet, cropped

Last Thursday at a town hall meeting in Rio Rancho New Mexico President Barack Obama was asked why, when “so many people go bankrupt using their credit cards to pay for healthcare. Why have they taken single-payer off the plate (audience applause), and why is Senator Baucus on the Finance Committee discussing health care when he has received so much money from the pharmaceutical companies? Isn’t it a conflict of interest?” (more audience applause)

The President seemed uncomfortable with the question, and his entire response lasted longer than seven minutes. He did not get around to actually responding to the question until about four minutes in:

“Healthcare is one-sixth of our economy, so it is a complicated and difficult task. Congress is going to have to work hard, and everybody is going to have to come at this with a practical perspective as opposed to being ideologically pure in getting it done… Why not do a single-payer system? … A single-payer system is like, Medicare is sort of a single-payer system, but it’s only for people over 65, and the way it works is, uh, the idea is you don’t have insurance companies as middle men. The government goes directly and pays doctors or nurses.

“If I were starting a system from scratch then I think that the idea of moving toward a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world. The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based healthcare. And, although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers, and you’ve got this system that’s already in place.

“We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into healthcare reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely re-invent one-sixth of the economy. So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where, uh, if you already have healthcare through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors. You don’t have to change plans. Nothing changes. If you don’t have healthcare, or you’re highly unsatisfied with your healthcare, then let’s give you choices. Let’s give you options, including a public plan that you can enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal.

“Now, obviously as president I’ve got to work with Congress to get this done. And, ha ha ha. There are folks in Congress who are doing terrific work. They’re working hard. They’ve been having a series of hearings. Uh, I’m confident that both the House and the Senate are going to produce a bill before the August recess. And, it may not have everything I want in there or everything you want in there, but it will be a vast improvement over what we currently have. We’ll then have to reconcile the two bills, but I’m confident that we are going to get healthcare reform this year, and start putting us on a path that’s sustainable over the long term. That’s a commitment I made during the campaign, and I intend to keep it.”

The President’s response left no doubt that he has taken single-payer healthcare off the table, but his answer lacked the logic and candor we have often come to expect of him. In fact his response seems more than a little disingenuous, and it cannot be permitted to stand unchallenged.

First of all, it is clear that President Obama understands what single-payer is, and given his assertion that it would be the way to go if we were starting from scratch, clearly he realizes that it is the superior system, one that “most industrialized countries around the world” have embraced, and yet he offers what are clearly rationalizations for why we cannot go that route in the United States.

The president suggests that it would be too disruptive to dismantle the “employer-based healthcare” system, yet this system is a total failure. The fact that employers bear much of the cost of healthcare in this country puts us at a distinct disadvantage in international trade because employers in other countries do not bear this substantial cost. The cost of healthcare to U.S. business is responsible for much of the out-sourcing that has cost our economy millions of jobs, and has resulted in much of our car manufacturing fleeing across the border to factories in Canada. More and more businesses are cutting back healthcare benefits, passing a greater percentage of the cost on to employees, or dropping health benefits entirely simply because the cost is overwhelming their eroding bottom line to the point where their very survival is often threatened.

The Business Roundtable reported recently that “Health care costs are one of the top cost pressures facing American businesses today, inhibiting job creation and hurting America’s ability to compete in global markets.” An ever-growing percentage of the American workforce is finding the cost of employer-based health insurance too costly to bear. In the past decade the number of uninsured working Americans has swelled by more than 6 million and now represents 18% of our workforce, or nearly 27 million people. And that’s just the working Americans.

The current world financial crisis is also causing millions of Americans to lose their health insurance when they lose their jobs. This is a uniquely American phenomenon because the rest of the industrialized world has universal healthcare, and the loss of a job in those countries does not carry with it the additional burden of the loss of healthcare (recent studies suggest that the stress that accompanies the loss of a job can often in itself bring on additional health problems).

Barack Obama surely knows all of this, so when he suggests that it would be disruptive to dismantle our employer-based system, he realizes that the reality is that most employers would gladly be relieved of this burden. It doesn’t take much of a stretch to also recognize that there are millions of Americans trapped in jobs they hate but dare not give up for fear of losing their employer-based health insurance.

President Obama points out that healthcare costs represent one-sixth of our economy. The President is correct. It is estimated that healthcare expenditures in the United States in 2008 were just under $2.7 TRILLION representing 17% of the gross domestic product (GDP). That number is expected to reach $4.3 TRILLION by 2017, or 20% of GDP. What the President leaves out is that the United States spends more than twice as much per capita on health care than the other developed countries in the world and that as a percentage of GDP healthcare costs in the United States exceed those in the other developed countries by more than 70 percent. What distinguishes those other developed countries from the United States is that they all have universal, not-for-profit healthcare.

The president suggests that we dare not tamper with the essential nature of our healthcare system because it represents one-sixth of our economy but he fails to point out that transitioning to a single-payer model would almost certainly radically reduce the currently bloated cost of healthcare in the United States both in absolute terms and as a percentage of GDP.

What possible justification could there be to preserve a system that costs so much and leaves tens of millions of people without health coverage and tens of millions more underinsured?

The answer is one the President dare not offer, namely that in the United States the insurance and pharmaceutical companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars on lobbying and campaign contributions, and greedy politicians like Max Baucus have become quite comfortable feeding off of that cash cow. Max Baucus, of course, has wonderful health coverage thanks to the generous benefits bestowed upon him by the United States Senate.

This doubtless explains why he can smugly laugh while calling for police to arrest healthcare professionals advocating for single-payer healthcare, but whom he has denied a seat at his “reform” table (a table we all pay for through our taxes). Also consider how much all of this lobbying and legal bribery in the form of campaign contributions adds to your insurance premiums, because ultimately that is where this money comes from.

Finally, President Obama suggests that it would be unfair to deprive people of their current healthcare if they are satisfied with it, and he suggests that moving to a single-payer system might force people to “change plans” and/or “change doctors.” Let’s unmask this rhetoric for what it is: pure disinformation and fear-mongering utilizing talking points developed by the PR agents of the for-profit healthcare industry. It is that industry that rations healthcare by denying medical procedures, that industry that comes between the doctor-patient relationship when it blocks doctors from applying their own best judgment as to what treatments to recommend or what medications to prescribe. It is also the insurance companies and HMO’s that restrict free choice by limiting members to defined networks and denying claims if a patient dares venture outside the network without permission.

(I am reminded of the daughter of an acquaintance who was in a serious car accident. Her car went through a guard rail and slid into a ravine where she lay untreated for several days before being discovered. She was transported, unconscious, to a hospital by an emergency medi-vac helicopter and was subsequently billed more than $200,000 for that life-saving flight to the only hospital trauma unit within reach that could treat her injuries– a bill which her insurance company refused to pay because they had not approved that out-of-network life-saving transport in advance. This is not uncommon. A similar occurrence was documented in Michael Moore’s Sicko.)

The new talking point we are hearing from Barack Obama and others who want to preserve our dysfunctional healthcare system is that people who are happy with their current insurance coverage should be allowed to keep it. The only problem with this seemingly common sense approach is that most people are happy with their current coverage because they have never been in a situation that tested it. Michael Moore’s “SiCKO” was all about people who were “happy” with their insurance coverage until they got sick and were hung out to dry by their insurance companies. How many people currently “happy” with their health insurance would balk at dropping it if they knew they could go to the doctor of their choice, would no longer have to deal with co-pays or deductibles, or the cost of pharmaceuticals, and would, in all likelihood, end up paying less for their new, improved coverage which would also restore the exclusive doctor-patient relationship that their for-profit insurance companies had previously interfered with?

How are we doing people a favor by letting them keep the coverage they are “happy” with, if down the road that decision may lead to them losing their homes or being forced into bankruptcy when their insurance fails to cover the cost of catastrophic illness that befalls them or their loved ones?

Let’s face it, Max Baucus is intent upon letting the AHIP (American Health Insurance Providers, the PR arm of the health insurance industry) foxes continue to guard the chicken coop, in all likelihood further enriching them by compelling us all to buy health insurance policies while extracting precious little from the insurance companies in return.

President Barack Obama, unfortunately, is enabling Max Baucus, et al. in this endeavor, and it is high time that we tell him to stop. This President has approval ratings in the mid-60′s. With a bully pulpit like that he could force Congress to enact real healthcare reform that would benefit our citizens and help restore our economy rather than than further enrich greedy corporate special interests and the compromised politicians who watch out for and protect them. He could mobilize the nation to demand it.

Just last week President Obama said, “I will not rest until the dream of health care reform is achieved in the United States of America.”

The path toward fulfilling that dream lies in enacting universal, comprehensive single-payer healthcare, not in catering to the healthcare industry special interests yet again.

 

Progressives4Pennsylvania

I have been an advertising executive most of my career with a long-time interest in progressive politics and journalism. My current primary goal is to help bring single-payer healthcare to Pennsylvania and the country.
  • SHV

    The only problem with this seemingly common sense approach is that most people are happy with their current coverage because they have never been in a situation that tested it..
    ***********
    That is the truth..even with the “best” insurance, if you have big medicals bill, the dis-allows by the insurance carrier will put the average American into bankruptcy. The typical dis-allow is “didn’t meet our profile”. And god help you if you have an emergency or the only place to get the care is “out of network” then you are well and truly screwed. The average insured American is one serious illness away from bankruptcy.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Great point! And that’s one of the aspects about Medicare that makes it so great — if an expensive emergency occurs, one is covered and continues to be covered.

      ……

      BTW: Medicare is not free. In order to get the best possible coverage, one needs to sign up for Parts B, C, and D — which each have a monthly fee. A couple of my neighbors have all four (only Part A is covered by Medicare in full). And their monthly charges run around $300-350. Then there’s that some drugs are not covered under Plan D or have an expensive co-pay.

      The Republicans got Plan D through but it mostly rewards pharmaceutical companies since Medicare can’t shop around for the best prices, unlike the V.A.

      • PamFlorida

        The Medicare “plans” are terrible-denials, delayed payments and reimbursements, expensive co-pays for drugs, and limited doctor participation. In Florida, these plan prices, coverage, and co-pays are higher or lower, according to age of population.
        Furthermore, fewer doctors in Florida are willing to accept standard Medicare.
        As for drug prices, I have discovered that WalMart and Publix offer many commonly prescribed drugs at a substantial discount (including pet medicines!). Walgreen’s also has a membership plan that discounts all drugs, including name brands. I take 2 very expensive medications and pay less than the much touted Medicare Advantage co-pays.

    • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

      The government will either 1) have the same or more restrictive disallows or 2) run up great debts by paying for extensive treatments for people. Neither of those are things we want.

      By contrast, a private HMO at least has the imperative to stay in business.

      Why do people think the government will all of a sudden provide for MORE treatment than an HMO? There is absolutely no evidence to back this belief.

  • Texas Playwright

    “the logic and candor we have come to expect of him”????? Did the article reeeeeaaaaalllllyyyy say that of bho the lying fraud?!?!?

    Sheesh, still a lot of Kool Aid drinkers out there.

  • indigogrrl

    “but his answer lacked the logic and candor we have often come to expect of him”

    WTF??? have you ever actually LISTENED to him?

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Please chill. Jerry is a good friend. He’s simply being polite, and he wrote this for Op-Ed News, which has a large pro-Obama audience. He’ll do better in that environment with a little honey than with all vinegar.

      • jbjd

        Yes; I saw that tack as a ‘win-win,’ anyway. That is, if he was formerly blindly supportive of BO then, he has come to see the light. And if he is only placating his audience then, he is not so off-putting, they will not hear him.

        Great piece.

        (I recall when Congress was debating the Family and Medical Leave Act (“FMLA”). Some objections raised by business were based on the fact, enacting this law would make us less competitive against other countries, like Japan or Germany. I kept reminding people, those countries already have such benefits, through the government!)

      • socalannie

        I thought he was being snarky. Great article, anyway.

    • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

      Have you?

      You can’t be serious. Either that or you have no ability to comprehend the spoken word.

      • Touchet

        Notice the poster never said what was logical?

        The poster takes what Obama says at face value. He doesn’t remember before the election because he most likely only voted for Obama cause everyone else was doing it. Or he like the way he talked. He has no idea that the irony the editorial is getting at is that obama has gone back on almost everything he says.

        The poster either doesn’t have a long term memory or really never paid attention and just lives in the moment with Obama and his love for him.

        • FLDemFem

          The poster should have picked up on this, though..

          “I will not rest until the dream of health care reform is achieved in the United States of America.”

          In all the pictures I have seen, Obama looks well-rested. :P

    • dc

      Yup Obama is doing exactly what I predicted. Major appeasement on every issue. I had a little hope the first 100 days, but I don’t know what he’s thinking lately. Oh, if Hillary were only the Prez, she’d be fighting tooth and nail for single payer. Oh ya right, this is the “transformational” President. zzzzzz

  • Dee

    Getting to single payer could be this easy – Every single company in the U.S. that currently pays for employee health insurance should just announce that starting in January of 2011 they will no longer be paying for their employee’s health care plans.

    That should get folks out in the streets.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      I love it! I wish it were possible to do that!

      Say, have you seen the ads on TV touting single-payer health insurance?

    • PamFlorida

      Congress is working on a bill that will force employers to continue offering health benefits.
      If you want a preview of what Obama’s “public” insurance will look like, go to:

      americanthinker.com

      “Michelle Obama’s Patient Dumping Scheme” by David Catron
      March 2, 2009

  • Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

    if you already have healthcare through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors. You don’t have to change plans. Nothing changes.

    kidding right?? How long would employers offer health care plans to employees w a government plan in place? Please, they would drop people like flies.

    The healthcare industry has become corrupt and greedy. Who does that sound like? Oh yea, our government. You really think they will do any better? What a fucking joke. Perhaps if we pushed for more ACCOUNTABILITY for people to be preventive w taking care of their bodies, health care would not be nearly as dire as it is. People sit on their fat ass, smoke, eat twinkies and fast food and flip the remote control for exercise. But by God, I want all my friggin’ health care paid for by taxpayers that make an effort to stay healthy.

    • Docelder

      I am not picking on you… really. But, take anybody who is in great shape, eats natural healthy food, works out three times a week, they get laid off, lose their insurance and have a car wreck. They are in intensive care a couple of days and need reconstructive surgery. They can’t get cosmetic reconstructive care they need i.e… teeth replaced, plastic surgery for scars etc. because they are already broke and owe more already to the hospital than they would make in a year even if they had a job. Can’t we do better than that as a society? If we can’t maybe we really aren’t that great a nation after all.

      • Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

        Read again what I wrote:

        The healthcare industry has become corrupt and greedy. Who does that sound like? Oh yea, our government. You really think they will do any better? What a fucking joke. Perhaps if we pushed for more ACCOUNTABILITY for people to be preventive w taking care of their bodies, health care would not be nearly as dire as it is.

        I did not say anything about MEDICAL COSTS INCURRED THROUGH NO FAULT OF OUR OWN. Furthermore, the majority of car accidents are caused by guess what? Driver inattention-eating, changing radio stations, drinking, talking on the cell phone or something else equally stupid and inane. Most of our problems are caused by poor choices. If society demanded more accountability, unavoidable accidents could be covered by insurance w no out of pocket costs. But someoone like me who takes driving seriously pays higher premiums for people who have their thumb up their ass when they should be doing one thing while driving-DRIVING.

        btw…I do not eat health food, I eat right. It sounds to me like you’re making an excuse for poor lifestyle habits because someone might get in a car accident and it won’t matter anyway. A person in good health will still heal faster than someone who is in poor shape.

        • Docelder

          O.K., What if the wreck was their fault, and the cause was talking on a cell phone, while unwrapping a twinkie while driving. Say they have been eating twinkies since they were laid off. They were depressed about all of this. Say all of that was exactly true. Could you deny somebody who just lost their job and insurance the month before any care they may need because of this at all…because they made some mistakes? I am just curious, because people take stray injured dogs for care every day. Would we do less for our neighbor, than we would do for a stray dog?

          • TeakwoodKite

            Sadly yes.

            • Docelder

              Well, the interesting thing for me, is after spending the better part of my life a registered republican, and finding my way here as a sort of therapy for an obot world gone nuts… I find out maybe I really never was a real republican at all? Maybe I am a RINO or at least I was a RINO. Now, I am not sure if there even is a party that represents anything I believe in. Yes, people ought to be responsible. o.k. that was always one of the things I believed and still do… but, here we have a poster citing twinkies as an excuse not to provide somebody else necessary medical care. Maybe Michelle was right in that we are a mean country… at least we can look mean.

      • tek

        Docelder: I hate to say it, but I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here.

        • jangles

          We have the ultimate “twinkie defense”.

  • Ani

    Also consider how much all of this lobbying and legal bribery in the form of campaign contributions adds to your insurance premiums, because ultimately that is where this money comes from.

    Great stuff from Mr. Policoff. Thank you for posting.

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Excellent analysis of the problem. I don’t envy the president’s task in trying to get some form of universal health care. Almost every president since Teddy Roosevelt has tried. But between lobbyists whose ox would be gored if we went single-payer and the way the United States Congress goes about diong its business, I worry that it will be a long time before we see change that matters.

    • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

      This boing nut in the white house could care less — his wife was paid over $300,000 for a nothing job that has since been eliminated. His wifee-po was part of the problem.

      0zero isn’t going to do a thing except TALK blah blah — because he has been paid off by the very crooks who are leeching Americans for piss poor health care.

      Nothing is going to happen — Medicare part D is still in place — the love letter from Congress to the fat cat pharmaceutical industry….

      These jerks (politicians of both parties) have had their chance and they have failed — they are parasites.

      Universal health care or anything that remotely resembles a logical health care system will NEVER HAPPEN — until the people start to realize that their health insurance is basically — when they need it most — they will have to fight every step of the way with the bean counters.

      Or perhaps this is the politicians form of population control — let ‘em die.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    Good and well-reasoned article, Jerry. TY

    I’m just very skeptical of the govt. managing anything without effing it up royally. When I worked at the Cleveland Clinic, we saw so many Canadians who came down for cardiac care because their govt.-run health care put serious limits on the kind of heart surgery they needed.

    • Docelder

      There you go. Maybe they didn’t need the treatment. Maybe they wanted it. Maybe they could afford to have what they wanted and justified the expense as a necessity. Say what you want about Canada and their care. Ten years ago, my wife was looking to get lasik. The local doctors wanted $4000-5000 to do this. Their office offered… get this it is not a joke to do one eye and wait a couple of months to do the other so that you could extend the time to pay. We took a vacation to Niagra Falls Canada. We spent a few days there, had the procedure done by a more experienced doctor, using the latest Bausch and Lomb equipment, not yet approved to be use3d here, but used everywhere else. The whole thing cost $1100 cash including all costs including all medicines and follow up care. If we had a paid government system, then non-government care would also fall in price as there would for once be real competition.

      • Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

        that’s your example, Lasik surgery? Please, that is not a necessary treatment.

        • Docelder

          No, I never said it was, only that apparently the described cardiac procedures were elective as well. Look, if your doctor says you don’t need it, then you don’t need it. Just because wealthy foreigners come here for elective care doesn’t make our care the best. It just means we have a system that will do anything for the dollar. My example of lasik, was to show the cost differential, to show that the care was actually superior, and that the system was much more empathetic. es, we had to pay, but about 20% of the cost here for lesser services. The waiting room was full of Americans. The pharmacies were full of Americans. That says a lot to me more than some wealthy medical tourists who come here for procedures their home doctors didn’t think they needed. Honestly, if their system didn’t prescribe the care, and if they go out of the country to get it anyway… What if they have complications at home from their medical tourist care given here? Is it right for their system to have to cover those complications?

          • lorac

            The stats I have always seen are that the US spends by far the most of any nation on health care. You’d think that would mean we have the best health care, but based on the two standards they use, we don’t.

            One standard is the average life span. We don’t live the longest – there are many countries that spend far less on healthcare whose citizens live longer than we do. Our average life expectancy is 78. Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, Italy, Japan, the UK, and Switzerland always beat us. In total, 13 counties beat us – we only have the 14th longest lifespan, despite all the money we throw at health care – or rather, to the system.

            The other standard is the percentage of children born who live to one year old, the infant mortality rate. The US is ranked 31st in the world – yup. Despite our spending a lot more money on health care, 30 countries have a better infant survival rate. Quite shocking.

            What it says to me, is that a lot of our money is spent on middle men. I do know that doctors’ offices always seem to have so many workers back there doing paperwork – I think a lot of it is dealing with all the different insurance companies and their different rules and requirements.

            • lorac

              Well, of course, uninsured people not getting health care would also be skewing the statistics…

  • SHV

    I’m just very skeptical of the govt. managing anything without effing it up royally.
    **********
    How many people on Medicare are complaining and turning in their cards? I am in a large group with full insurance no pre-existings, healthy who had out of pocket costs of >$50,000 the past two years. When I got my Medicare card two months ago, it was one of the best days of my life. Also with Medicare, no balance billing, that is a real killer.

    • Docelder

      no pre-existings, healthy who had out of pocket costs of >$50,000 the past two years.

      Yes, this can happen to anybody. It is unconscionable that people can have their entire life savings negated by a turn of bad luck. Yes, how many are refusing medicare… nobody who is not uber wealthy would do that. Say what you want, medicare works. It has to because health insurers don’t want the medicare people. They want the healthy people with no pre-existing conditions… that is a shrinking pool. Their business model isn’t working for an aging society.

      • NomNomNom

        They don’t even want that.
        I am a healthy woman, 43, with no problems & no dependents, I am even sterilized so there is no chance of future dependents: cost of my insurance: $468.60/ month Blue Cross Blue Shield. I work for a small company that doesn’t get the f#cking subsidies to health care that the big guys get (chorus of morons: oh but that’s not socialism, because we get it, not you peons).
        If I can’t get a better rate at State Farm this month, I’m dropping my coverage, I just can’t afford it. If something happens to me, I’ll lose my house.
        :mad:

        • Docelder

          Meanwhile, congress gets top rate health insurance and congress can’t comprehend or doesn’t care to comprehend that regular working people can’t afford health care anymore. Our new HHS secretary is talking about a vaccine for a flu that has killed 5 people in this country so far. Meanwhile 30,000 die every year from the common regular flu, a lot of those no doubt is due to patient dumping and shunning of indigent care patients. Let’s ask Michelle what 300K a year lawyers do exactly at hospitals, if not to find creative ways to charge more for less services and find new ways to shirk the responsibility of indigent care. Meanwhile, here we are… greatest richest nation of all time and we can’t even agree to take medical care of our citizens.

          • Clara

            Docelder,
            It is not accurate in the least to say that members of Congress cannot comprehend or do not want to comprehend the number of people affected by the health insurance situation. Through their staff, who work everyday to find help for those who reach out to their elected representatives, they know of the obstacles to accessing healthcare and then paying for it. They know of the ramifications of being devastated by medical bills. The difficulty is getting enough of them to agree on where to go with the “reform”.

            • lorac

              But that’s reminding me of how Obama handled the credit card companies as a senator. It came up during the primaries, in one of the debates. I don’t remember the exact numbers anymore, but there was a bill that would lower how much interest the credit card companies could charge. Obama voted against it. When he was called on it, his excuse was that this new lower number was still too high, so he voted against it (and it lost). So the result of his way of handling it, was that credit card companies could still charge huge rates.

              His actions (or lack of them) only helped the credit card companies, it didn’t protect the people at all. In the same way, I think if they truly cared about health care, at least more than they care about their own re-election, they would be yelling from the rooftops, making it a priority, and at least working to find common ground. I’m glad they try to help the minority of people who call their offices, but that’s likely greatly motivated by self-preservation, IMO.

            • Docelder

              The difficulty is getting enough of them to agree

              Or is the difficulty in that they can’t stand up to the insurance and drug companies for fear they may not get reelected if they do that. I don’t have any sympathy for congress. What I wish for them above all things is a French style revolution. Maybe without the guillotines, but led the heads roll symbolically. Congress does not effectively represent us anymore. They are too busy representing themselves.

              • lorac

                I agree. I think we need term-limits and “citizen-legislators”. Regular people who serve the public for no more than 10 years, then go back to their regular work and life.

            • NomNomNom

              I couldn’t agree less, Clara. How long have they had to do something, anything in the right direction?
              Do you see any of these clowns forgoing any of their benefits, medical or otherwise, in any form of solidarity with their constituents?
              Then don’t tell me how much they freaking care.
              btw, some might say that’s worse than being screwed, being told to appreciate those doing the screwing.
              Nor am I at all interested in begging for handouts from some crook I don’t in fact recognize as having any legitimate authority over me, which is exactly how I regard our dear fascist government.
              If their own benefits were threatened they’d have a solution within the week.
              I’m for a real French-style head-rolling revolution.
              My luck I’ll end up in a godd#mned cmu gulag for admitting I think they should all fry.

        • basil

          nomnom,

          Believe me, I understand completely.
          A couple of years ago, after 20 years as a teacher, i was diagnosed with a disease that required 18 months of interferon, a chemo-like drug. it knocked me on my a$$ – i couldn’t work, had to sell my house and move into a teeny summer cottage, and was terrified neither my insurance nor my disability income insurance would kick in.

          i had to fight tooth and nail to get back what I had paid in for decades. Luckily, I was ‘cured’ of my previous condition and was just starting to get my life on track when i was hit with a lymphoma diagnosis which means another 6 months of chemo. I count myself among the fortunate that since I was in a unionized profession, i do have medical coverage, but there are still big payouts. My heart goes out to others who are not so fortunate. Dealing with astronomical medical bills on top of random poor health is a nightmare.

          • NomNomNom

            :( that’s awful, and imo completely unfair. why should we pay in all this insurance money if this is what we get? I’d like to see an end to insurance.
            I’d rather just cover the doctor’s liability costs without the added middleman. If we had sufficient scrutiny of bad doctors we could take away their licenses asap instead of having to rely on legal action.
            I really hope you are feeling better soon!

      • http://noquarter foxyladi14

        i.m on medicare and i love it.i also have a backup in case between the two of them i,m very pleased.

    • tek

      SHV: Yes, my husband has Medicare. AFter two bouts with A-fib, we’d be bankrupt without it.

  • I’m a Linda too

    This was probably the most honest Weary Barry has been. Basically saying he is in bed with the industry, so he won’t even attempt a real sorely needed overhall. Just to cost more by putting on more bandaids.

    But in another area where Weary Barry did lie, was his claim that because he isn’t starting from scratch, that’s why he can’t offer Single Payer Health Care…”that you have in most industrialized countries around the world. The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch.”

    Is he actually trying to claim all these other countires were like CREATED with a national health care? Or only when they became civilized they had one? Come on Barry. Every other country just had the BALLS to do it. Canada, which doesn’t have the population or economy anywhere near us, still in 1984 created their National Health Care Act.

    “Universal health care is implemented in all but one of the wealthy, industrialized countries, with the exception being the United States”

    Brazil 1998
    Israel 1995
    Mexico expect by 2011

    Germany was one of the oldest countries to have offered a Health Insurance in 1883, but that was to low income and gradually changed to include all.

    but no doubt Barry was flustered that he even had to address this question, regardless that he wasn’t truthful.

    Now, Barry never said he was going to offer Single Payer, “nothing like what Canada has” he said while campaigning in New Hampshire at a newspaper editorial health care forum, that he quickly put together after attending the health Care forum in March and totallly sucking and not offering one single plan or policy for HEALTH CARE, he didn’t expect apparently anyone to challenge him on acctual policy.

    I still cannot believe this loser is our president.

    • Docelder

      It sounds like nothing is going to happen except we will now provide health insurance… not health care to those who don’t already have it. That way we can pay more for less services and insurance companies can buy more buildings with their name on them and buy more TV ads telling us how great they are. Sometimes, I think Obama was a lot right about us. We aren’t all that and a bag of chips apparently.

      • NomNomNom

        we are a bag of chips, just not the eating kind of chips.

      • I’m a Linda too

        Like here in New Mexico. The state negotiates rates, deductables, coverage, fees, etc and now they are offering 4 different insrance companies that are about the same…..except Blue Cross is now just 30.00 more and you have a higher deductable, but now their insurance is as crappy as the special negotiated HMO’s.

        Oh and did I mention I’ve never paid so much for health insurance?

        And our deductable has just tripled and all rates for services went up.

        I actually want to skip insurance, but hubby doesn’t want to risk it.

        • Docelder

          Insurance companies are a part of the problem. They remove any real competition by fixing ucr medical fees. Their administrative overhead and profits just add to an already expensive system of care. No reform that includes insurers will be successful, because it won’t be real reform. The government needs to take over as a single payer system. We have given the old system longer than it deserves already. It is overdue for extinction.

          • cathnealon

            Docelder
            This is exactly what BO is going for despite his lying rhetoric about “not starting from scratch.” The program Medicaid for the indigent and the disabled is a mess–I have worked in an ER for 20 years in an inner city hospital. Most of our patients are Medicaid or self-pay.The fraud for Medicaid patients is off the charts and we taxpayers are paying the bill and the government is running that show–so big insurance companies might be just as corrupt you might say, what’s the difference? Well, let government decide everything about your healthcare and you’ll find out the difference–ask anyone who deals with the Medicaid system, providers, patients, hospitals, etc–just stay really healthy like those French and German people because chest pains will take on a whole new meaning if the government takes over–if they’re not using the paddles you’ll be on a list to see a specialist in 7 months and be secretly hoping you don’t make it so they can take you off the rolls.

    • tek

      LindaToo: LOL! I love your comment about other countries being CREATED with single-payer healthcare. You know, I bet Obama is so stupid he really does think we can’t figure this out.

    • Docelder

      Brazil 1998 Israel 1995 Mexico expect by 2011

      This just hit me… the reality of it. Mexico is more progressive as a society than we are in regards to health care. How does that make us feel? Maybe at the core, they are less corrupt than we are as far as health care goes. It will be a shame for Mexico to have single payer health care, and we can’t.

      • tek

        Docelder: Well, maybe we can all start sneaking into Mexico. By 2011, 2/3 of the entire population of Mexico will be living illegally in the U. S. (or, legally, if Obama gets his wish). Oh, and as soon as we get there, we need to get out in the streets and start demanding citizenship. We can say the U. S. rescued Mexico from Maximilian and Louis Napoleon in 1867, so we have a right to live there if we want.

      • Rex

        That’s why they come here for health care. I work in the med center and believe me – be careful what you ask for. Our system needs reforming, but I do not want any plan like Canada or other countries have. I have known several people who have died waiting for their “turn” at procedures that they could have gotten here in the states without the wait.

        Also, referencing Michael Moore in this argument was a real mistake toward your credibility.

      • http://noquarter foxyladi14

        they are more progressive then us.
        look how many have women presidents.not us tho..

  • tek

    Jerry: You’re so right that all the people in government have wonderful healthcare provided by We the People. It’s archaic that employers should be responsible for these benefits–and inefficient. It’s a hangover from the Progressive age when employers started getting socked for having unsafe workplaces. Today, it makes no sense. It certainly makes our businesses less competitive to be burdened with healthcare coverage, but people must be covered somehow. Government is the only possibility.

    I don’t think Obama ever talked about single-payer healthcare. That was always Hillary’s plan.

  • NomNomNom
    • NomNomNom

      he’s basically suggesting stopping coverage for the terminally ill since it’s purportedly 80% of the cost of healthcare

  • tek

    Yes, Hillary was going to PROVIDE healthcare to every American. Obama’s going to MANDATE that every American BUY healthcare. Be kind of hard for people who don’t have a job and have lost everything.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    but his answer lacked the logic and candor we have often come to expect of him.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but logic and candor are the very last things I would expect of That One. Pandering and smoke and mirrors got him into office and I expect that to continue.

    • TeakwoodKite

      One Incredible Shrinking Graham Cracker short of a Cheesecake…that’s BO alright.

  • SHV

    It’s really going to hit the fan in about two years because most of the jobs lost in this recession aren’t coming back, especially for those over 50. So your 52, lost your job and you have enough saved to pay $500/month for COBRA after the subsidy. 16 months from now, no more COBRA and no insurance. Then what???Bambi??

  • SHV

    On the bright side :>) since Bambi and Baucus have sold out to Big Med and Pharma, we won’t get screaming TV ads: SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!!!!!!

    • Docelder

      No, the TV ads will still be for e.d. drugs and cardiac drugs that don’t even work for the very things they were approved by the FDA for. We will be buying new H1N1 flu shots for everybody that will harm more people than would be harmed from the actual flu. But if you get a regular non exotic flu, and need a $1 worth of breathing treatment medicine to make it through the night… well tough noogies. It is like we are getting only the bad parts of socialism, but anything with benefits to everybody across the board… i.e. health care we are leaving out.

  • warehouse553

    What are the far left blogs saying about this? I just can’t visit them anymore after what they did to Hillary.

    Oh and off topic, Hillary haters Maureen Dowd and Andrew Sullivan are in trouble. Dowd is being accused of plagiarism and Sullivan will probably be deported.

  • Eastan

    Well thought out and well written piece, Jerry.

    I have debated with myself a couple of issues around universal health care. One. The industrialized nations that do offer it are, in a way, offering their companies a subsidy to lower the price of their exports – something the U.S. considers unfair trade practices. We should tell those other countries to stop. Next thing you know they will be dumping steel. I jest.

    Second. UHC socializes a corporate compensation. Or does it? The IRS allows companies to claim health insurance as an adjustment to gross income, so there already is a bit of a pitch back from the government for these costs.

    I have not thought much about the uninsured self-employed. I just look in the mirror. My medical costs over the past 20 years total about 10% of what an insurance premium would have cost over that time. But I do fear a major medical event.

    This is really a lot for a plain-wrapper software designer to contemplate. So, Jerry, if I send you my address can you bring me a sleep aid? Your thought-provoking article is going to keep me up a while.

  • SHV

    But I do fear a major medical event.
    **********
    There are high deductible, catastrophic medical policies available.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Jeffery, well said. How would the state of Pennsylvania look financially under the system you labor for? Could it be that the states themselves would start the ball rolling?

    Thanks for you words.

    Why does this common sense campaign “promise” seem now politically left of BO?

    This another underwhelming bait and switch performance by BO. What get me is he thinks of the health of our citizens in monetary terms as if money matters more than ones health? If we spend less on health care dollars that dollar will be part of a mortgage that was NOT foreclosed on. The blindness to this in full force and the road ahead is lost on the ever gutless BO.

    I will stop now, as I am madder than I get after watching Sicko. We are watching a broke a** nation wonder how we collectively got here. Sicko and folks that made it possible to film need to be gone post haste like a freaking Roman with a busted chariot wheel, no one in the crowd dare tell the Centurion he walking.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    I have not had health insurance for over 10 years. I pay out of pocket but don’t go to the doctor except for a gynecology checkup where I will go to a clinic like Planned Parenthood. I pay out of pocket for dental, and the rest of my healthcare is handled by alternative practitioners that aren’t covered by insurance anyway.

    I am interested in the guy who is creating a walk-in health clinic as a strip mall business where you pay out of pocket a certain set fee for various standard things like getting antibiotics for strep throat. I’d rather pay $80 out of pocket for a visit and then $20 for some medicine than forced to pay $500/month for something I rarely use.

    I don’t think the US government will ever get it together healthwise.

    But I think health insurance should be BANNED except for maybe major emergencies and hospitals forced to cap costs so that people aren’t paying $200K for a helicopter ride.

  • Fredster

    Obama explained the problem right here:

    Healthcare is one-sixth of our economy, so it is a complicated and difficult task

    See, it’s too difficult and complicated to explain to we mere mortals so we have to let Obie and Max handle it for us and just trust them.

    N O T!

    • Docelder

      But doesn’t anybody see the inherent idiocy of this? Health care isn’t just one-sixth of our economy… health care expenses suck one-sixth of our wealth as an expense. Sure a portion of this is preventive care etc. a very small portion. The rest is an expense. People tout the one-sixth as if it were a good thing. It is deplorable that we spend so much and yet get so little in return. 31st worldwide in infant mortality rates… and we are the “best”. Oh please. We don’t have a health care system, we have a health care mafia.

      • cathnealon

        DOCELDER
        There are many reasons for being 31st in infant mortality rate and healthcare isn’t one of them. Every pregnant woman and child who cannot afford prenatal care is covered under Medicaid. There are social issues like drugs, neglect of one’s own health, that play into this–E.R.’S in particular cannot by federal law refuse treatment for pregnant women, especially those who have never had pre natal care and arrive at the ER ready to deliver. Now there is much to improve and change don’t get me wrong but I have seen too many lives saved in the ER of patients who did not have insurance and who were not charged because of their circumstances that one should stop before they condemn the whole system.

        • Docelder

          E.R.’S in particular cannot by federal law refuse treatment for pregnant women

          I guess if they could we could get that 31st up to 50 something pretty fast. But, no prenatal care is a result of people not having insurance. And it is a result of medical tort law. A single payer system would take both of these out for good. Don’t worry though, we are protecting the medical mafia. Those with the gold still make the rules, just as they always have. This rant on my part is a lost cause, nobody who could make a difference even cares about people, except for themselves that is.

  • Daisyjane

    I’m in the minority here, but I wanna keep the current system. We do not have the finest system in the world, but we do have the finest & most modern care.

    When I was still in Ohio, my sister became seriously ill. We had to drive her back and forth for her treatments, which lasted an entire summer. Once you sit in a waiting room loaded with Canadians trying to LIVE by paying for treatment out of their own pockets, you’ll change your mind and lightning fast. This wasn’t some boutique medical care they were seeking: this was the Cleveland Clinic ONCOLOGY Dept. Canadians were in Cleveland, Ohio to receive treatment for aggressive forms of cancer. They even have a same for the Clinic up there: “Toronto South” (which is to demonstrate how many Canadians were there – they form a small little community!)

    I’m between jobs, perhaps like some of you are, so I am uninsured.

    That said, I STILL don’t want single-payer “free” care. I firmly believe that anyone who wants this kind of system, should head to hospitals that are on our side of the shared border with our Canadian neighbors. Then come back here and give us your observations.

    • Docelder

      So because we are willing to sell medical care to people for cash that their own doctors at home didn’t think they needed… that makes us the “best”? I think it makes us like those Mexico clinics that sell laetrile shots. It is the same thing. Don’t we have cancer patients here going to Mexico for this type of “experimental” care. So, using this line of logic, doesn’t that really make Mexico the “best”? Their waiting rooms are full of Americans.

      • cathnealon

        Then go to Mexico Docelder. What?

    • Rob G in Chicago

      Imagine the quality of care that couild be offered by a single payer system infused with the same dollar amounts currently being spent in the U.S. Many of the complaints about long waits for appointments and care in countries with single payer systems is due to the fact that the systems were set up “on the cheap”. I would imagine that even if we were to get a well-funded single payer system in the U.S., that Congress would weaken the system by constantly stripping it of funds so that they could spend more on their “special projects” to reward campaign contributors.

  • CentralMass

    Some details of the new plan are emerging. Apparently under the new plan, those wishing to recieve medical must walk into medical facilities bent over and backwards.

  • Elsie

    I remember a Barack supporter who said that he wants to be someone for everyone… He even runs away from his own campaign promises just to please those who opposed him.

    When he said that” people are happy” with employer based insurance, he wants everyone to find a job so they will have insurance regardless whether they are happy with that job or not. Also people are not very responsible. My husband owns his company and offers health insurance, but only 20% of his employees signed up for health insurance because they do not want their paycheck deduct their monthly share of the insurance.

    Barack speaks in vague terms and impresses the heck out of those who do not understand that they have been had. This president is a nut case and he makes pronouncements one day and completely reverses himself the next day or another of his communication ploy is just to avoid touching important issues related to the subject.. like his speech on abortion at Notre Dame. He talks about a good game of having dialogue but does not say what should be part of the dialogue that people on both sides could continue on and agree on. He wants to please everyone and yet he does not say what needs to be said.

    All the while the prediction about this Barack is coming true.. He does not stand for anything and he gives vague positions on any side of the issue. He still lack leadership..It is time to kick his behind out of the WH.

  • http://n/a Peg

    Tom Daschle has been “appointed” to General Electric’s health care advisory board (at what salary?).
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/07/AR2009050701868.html

    The Washington Times has an article by Andrew Wilkow and Nick Rizzuto on this from 5-11-09. (I don’t want to link to conservative sites.)

    “With plans in place for a major overhaul in the health-care industry, General Electric is positioning itself to become a major beneficiary of these health care reforms.
    (snip)
    In the same address, Mr. Immelt, who is also a member of Mr. Obama’s economic recovery advisory board, added, “The intersection of government and business will be changed, maybe for a generation.” In other words, companies should be prepared to beg for a seat at the government’s table if they plan on remaining lucrative.
    (snip)
    The standardization and streamlining of health care recordkeeping, something on which Mr. Obama ran in 2008, would require a massive government contract for the technology to achieve such standardization.
    (snip)
    With Mr. Obama’s ally Mr. Daschle on board, Healthymagination is sure to have more than a leg up on its competition when it comes time to dole out these massive contracts.
    (snip)
    On its corporate Web site, Healthymagination admits it will use every tool at its disposal to achieve its goals, including NBC Universal, the parent company of MSNBC which offers nearly uncritical coverage of Mr. Obama and his policies.

    In effect, NBC Universal would become the propaganda arm of the administrations drive for the nationalization of health care, pushing its passage in its print and television properties.
    (snip)
    Healthymagination states its target dates for the completion of its various initiatives as 2015, well into a second Obama term. This means GE will have a deep financial interest in Mr. Obama’s re-election; a fact that will no doubt be reflected in its media divisions. It will certainly be interesting to see if the left-wing watchdogs howl, or if they will conclude this is an acceptable level of collusion between the White House and a multinational conglomerate.”

    Bill O’Reilly also had a piece on this.

    So Oberman/Mathews et. al.’s motive for whoring for Obama is clear.

    I like to think GE went to Hillary first, and she told them where to shove it.

    • Docelder

      Healthymagination

      No wonder they have their hands in our pockets for handouts. Who does their marketing anyway?

  • Tess

    Can we find out who had the nerve to ask the O a decent question at last? What all went wrong that the question got through? Heads will roll.
    When I go past a presser or briefing, the only one who ever seems to ask an honest question at all, is Jake Tapper.
    This was a really good post. Thank you. And the comments (sans trolls) are always iluminating. Thanks to the commenters too.

  • mountainaires

    “…his answer lacked the logic and candor we have often come to expect of him. In fact his response seems more than a little disingenuous, and it cannot be permitted to stand unchallenged.”

    the logic and candor we have “come to expect from him”?

    I haven’t seen logic or candor from Barack Obama since his speech to the Democratic National Convention in 2004! The man is a complete liar.

    Every word that comes out of his mouth is disingenuous, so I’m not surprised AT ALL that he was disingenuous about single-payer health care.

    I pack my own chute, as they say, and I don’t rely on liars and cons to protect me. The people in this country had better get used to the idea that there will be no one in this administration who has their best interests at heart.

    Obama knows he doesn’t have the money; consumers, voters, Americans will be sold down the river on this issue, just as they have been sold down the river on every other issue by Obama. Seriously, I cannot even comprehend how ANYONE could be so deluded as to think there is going to be any change in healthcare, when big insurance is a huge lobby and Obama will cater to their demands, just as he has catered to the demands of the banksters.

    It doesn’t get any clearer than this article on our economy. We’re $100 Trillion in debt; our GDP is $15 Trillion. Either we default on our debt, or we raise taxes to service our debt. Where is Obama going to get the money for health care?!

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/story/print?guid=8938ACF5-2122-4364-B805-802261385BE4

    • jangles

      The Obama plan is to begin taxing the health care benefits of employer paid plans to help pay for those who do not currently have insurance. So you can keep your current plan but start paying a tax on it.

  • newmex

    The idea of government running our healthcare system is just plain stupid. When we need care, what country do we go to? Don’t screw with my insurance, and I have no intention of paying for others to have insurance. Have you heard of Medicare? There are illegals included in the numbers of the uninsured, and there are millions who choose not to pay for insurance because they had rather go out to bars and pay for boats, big TV’s and fancy cars. I will not pay for the insurance of slackers.

    • Docelder

      they had rather go out to bars and pay for boats, big TV’s and fancy cars.

      Don’t forget the twinkies, apparently they also go for the twinkies big time. ;) But seriously, government running things is no more scary than corporations running things. The sad truth is doctors don’t even have a hand in it anymore. Either way, they are just along for the ride. At least with the government there would be oversight and accountability. There would be a procedure manual for determinations. Right now, it is a free for all, which screws regular people more than not.

    • Rex

      Totally agree newmex. I like my insurance coverage, I like my job. The government always screws up everything they get involved in.

  • sandi78

    I grew up with the National Health Service in the UK. My family still lives there and all of them use it. Not one of them, or my friends there, have any problem with it at all.

    All the single-payer systems currently in use worldwide differ in a variety of ways. The US could devise a system using the best parts. Canada, to my understanding, does not allow individuals to buy additional private insurance, but the UK does. Outside of London it doesn’t get you any better care if you’re really ill, but for electives you can stay in a comfortable clinic. Just a few months ago, a friend lost his right leg below the knee due to a blood clot. When it came time to fit his prosthesis, they asked if he’d get a better one if they paid for it rather than go through the NHS. The answer was no, you’d get exactly the same thing.

    Here in the US my son was diagnosed last year, at the age of 22, with ulcerative colitis. This is a chronic disease that may get worse over time. Nobody knows what causes it. He has to take medication every day. Because he now has to have a full-time job that provides the health insurance he can no longer buy as an individual because he has a pre-existing condition, he has had to change his major in college from athletic training to kinesiology. He just wouldn’t have time to do the intern hours that the athletic training degree requires. If we had a single-payer system, he wouldn’t need a full-time job. He can’t go on my insurance because I’m self employed. He was on his father’s, but his dad died 18 months ago. His father worked for NBC, so you’d think the health insurance was great. Wrong.

    Health care in this country is very good, but access to it sucks.

  • Lisabona

    The reality about, health care, fairness is just a ” dream”. It would never happe. As long as the hospital charge you 30 Dollar for a Tylenol,also overcharge every little things ( plastic basinet kit) no one in America will have a decent healt-care cost. Also, until the presidency with the whole government is sold to a highest bidder, our life never will improve. To serve the People, should be considered an Honor not a financial bargen-chip. PAY AND PLAY, , is a plague of our society. We should get red of all the ” priviledges” given to those who should represent the People. Free transportation,free health care,4 day weekly working program,high salary,long vacation, and many-many other ” free” services, supported by US, the over-worked, underpaid, and willingly stupids, accepting ” them” trully enjoy life, and WE, trying to live. Actually just hardly survive. They need us , for one and only reason. MAKE THEM RICH, so vote for them and they will stay rich until the stretcher will take them away for our good. Finally, to the house of eternity. Remedy; vote for the most capable,no private donations, term limit, job well done, judged by the constituence not lobbyist. Don’t sell the presidency for money. Should be sold for real Americans, real patriots, who beside anything else, love their country. Sad, that this is just a dream.

    • Docelder

      the hospital charge you 30 Dollar for a Tylenol

      Yes, this is what I am saying. There is a difference between running a business for a profit and profiteering. Hospitals profiteer. Diagnostic centers profiteer. Drug companies profiteer. I don’t care how great you think your doctor is, or how great a plan your employer buys for you… these are not sustainable in this atmosphere of profiteering. It is bordering now on the level of organized crime.

  • HC123

    I dont like single payer government run healthcare. I lived with it for most of my life and I can say that bureaucratic monopolies are not for me, and no, they dont provide excellent and compassionate care. Its more like the DMV.

    That said, am I the only one who thinks our new president is an idiot? How can he constantly be called articulate when he makes comments like this. Any time he is off teleprompter he is just terrible.

  • mary

    Barack’s 7-minute long answer is pure BULLSHIT! Why doesn’t he ask HIllary to head a Commission to oversee the implementation of a SINGLE-PAYER SYSTEM like the one they have in Canada since 1965?
    Actually, it was Hillary’s research team that visited Ottawa, Ontario back in the early 90s to conduct a comprehensive research project to find out how Canada’s system of single-payer National Health Care insurance for every citizen was so successful. Canadians are SHOCKED to find out that the major cause of bankruptcy in the States is…Medical bills!! They can’t fathom this. And no damn politician, no matter how neocon he may want to be, could survive if he were to mess with this national identity Act!
    Obama is in the pockets of the middle-men Insurance Companies. They wanted their boy-wonder in cause he was easily manipulated. The Ventriloquist’s Dummy-Obama dances to the tune of the Wall Sreet thugs and the Insurance vultures! That’s why they vilified and spent millions to get rid of Hillary in the primary!!!SHAME ON BARACK!

  • Peggy Sue

    One catastrophic medical event can bring any or all of us to our knees, both physically and financially. The HMO’s are a joke when it comes to anything beyond the norm but for many families is all they can afford, barely. And some families cannot afford coverage at all.

    When my son was injured, my husband and I were paying through the nose for a “comprehensive health care plan.” It was the top tier of his company’s coverage, and we did it because we had out of state college-age kids. I wanted to pull back because the premeiums were getting ridiculous. But my husband held fast. Good thing, too.

    Even with the extra-coverage, I spent months fighting with the insurance companies to provide the very coverage that we’d been paying for. Someone mentioned reconstruction work. In addition to a head injury, my son required reconstructive work on a lower shattered jaw. He couldn’t close his mouth. He couldn’t speak properly or eat; he drooled like a infant. You might have thought we were asking for a facelift or boob job!

    They did finally cover the surgeries but it was a daily, aggravating, stupid argument. I served as my son’s medical/insurance advocate. But what happens to patients with no advocate or come from families who are intimidated by the whole process?

    They get screwed. And they’ll continue to be screwed as long as Obama is sucking on the insurance company teat.

    Btw, something I found out during the course of this was had we had HMO, my son would have qualified for 60 hours of therapy over the course of his recovery. What he required was 50 hours of therapy per week for four months.

    My point? Insurance-based health care is bad for our collective health. And the only person who had a grip on this was Hillary Clinton.

    Infuriating!

    • Docelder

      My opinions are the result of practicing fifteen years, before I had enough. Not enough of practice, just enough of the system. One egregious case I remember was a 25 year old male, worked in a packing plant doing clean up. The packing plant makes only hamburger patties in two sizes and only for a large national chain. An employee did not show up to work who ran the grinder. The plant manager puts a yellow smock on him and puts him on the duty of the grinder. He had no training at the position, he just was told to do it. The smock got in the grinder and was pulling him in. He reached out to push himself away, the grinder got his hand. As he pulled for his life, the grinder ate all the way to his elbow. He came to our office months later with phantom pain in fingers that were gone. The workers compensation carrier refused to pay. Why, well right after the accident an adjuster came out to see him, wish him well, asking if they could help. They gave him a check to help with expenses for $25,000. What he did not know was by cashing that check he was settling that claim forever. He took the family to Disney, not knowing he was out. By the time we saw him, he was permanently disabled, unemployed, divorced and in constant pain. We took care of him for free, and never thought twice about it. But, I will never forget talking on the phone to his workers compensation adjuster. He laughed about the patient having pain in fingers he didn’t even have anymore. Like it was a joke or something. I will never for get that ever. So, I may be jaded, but I got here honestly.

  • Lisabona

    You see the reason, why her Plan, didn’t go true. Don’t mess with the money sucker pharmaceuticals. Every medicine could have a serious counter effec it can cause grave illness or even death. You don’t know what to do. Choose to get better and take the medicine or die if you will take it. After a year or so, using the medication the Co. will came out to tell you that the certain medicine killed some patients. Some times,they mix up you with a Lab.mouse.

  • Dan

    Why don’t you guys just move to Canada then if you like single payer so much? I would like to avoid being put on a waiting list (although if your waiting for a organ transplant, your SOL in any system). Sounds to me like the medical industry charges too much. Then again, thanks to that “profiteering” they are providing all those jobs. You can only suckle from the teet for so long.

    Hell you all want the government to take care of healthcare, mortgages, car makers (without the union this would not have happen.. idea was good for short term, but had dire long term consequences, which we can all see now), etc.. It’s like having your parents take care of you your whole life. But what did our parents do? Once you were about 18 or so, you notice that YOU had to take responsibility and work, find a place to live, and so forth. Sorry guys, I can’t say I like the direction this is going.
    Once you get the ball rolling its hard to stop it, and by then it’s too late.

    • Ellen D

      I’m Canadian. I’ve had two operations, a parent with heart problems, a parent with cancer – all on government health care. GUESS WHAT? NO WAIT LINES!

      I’m now on Medicare which works great (the Government CAN do it!) but if the extras keep going up I might have to go back to Canada.

    • memi

      Dan

      Just saw your comment. A friend had colon cancer surgery at a Teaching Hospital – St. Mike’s in Toronto minimally invasive surgery for Stage II cancer! Guess what? The cost = 10.00 for taxi fare.
      And NO WAIT LINES IN CANADA! Just a civilized, compassionate and LESS EXPENSIVE APPROACH! Since 1965 Canada has had National Health Care.

      Guess what? U.S. spends 18% of its GDP and Canada only 8.5%. Why? No profit motive in Canada.
      NO BANKRUPTICES IN CANADA DUE TO MEDICAL BILLS…UNHEARD OF!!!!!

      Better still. Send Barack up north to shut him up! Hillary Clinton had the best ideas back in l993. She was vilified as she still is. Give the woman a medal, Dan!

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Single payer is a bad idea. I don’t like my HMO too much, but I know for sure I’d like the government as my HMO even less. At least with my private HMO, I can choose to leave and find another. With the government in this role, you will have no choice and nowhere else to go. Less choice is a very bad thing.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/armstrong1.html

    Let’s face it, costs for healthcare are going up no matter who is managing it. We will always want MORE of it–it’s natural. So now everyone wants the government (full of corruption, lobbyists, wasteful spending and mismanagement) to do this bang-up stellar job for us? Dream on. HMOs are not perfect, but at least they go out of business if they don’t meet their customers’ needs adequately enough. You cannot say the same for government.

    As for the uninsured, many so-called facts about them may be misunderstood:

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/howell4.html

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff70.html

    Plus we have hospitals that treat uninsured–as long as Michelle Obama is not at the door turning them away.

  • Hank

    The stupid Govt can’t even run the United States Postal Service and they want to run Health Care. What a joke…

    • Ellen D

      And your problem with the postal system is…????

      • Docelder

        Yes, nobody else is delivering to every door in the nation 6 days a week for forty some cents a piece. We should wish we had health care which was as available and reliable as the post office.

      • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

        It looses money.

        And that’s even with taxpayer support: $503 mil in 2005 appropriations and $762 mil in 2003 appropriations. (That’s after initial start-up capital of $3 billion when the USPS started up after 1971.)

        http://www.lewrockwell.com/alston/alston21.html

        Plus, it is a monopoly. If we open up more delivery options to private companies like FedEx and UPS, they will probably kick USPS’s behind.

        • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

          Plus, it is a monopoly. If we open up more delivery options to private companies like FedEx and UPS, they will probably kick USPS’s behind.

          Not for 44 cents a letter they won’t.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Hate to break it to you but I think Obama wants to run it all…health care, auto factories, banks, newspapers and the list goes on.

  • cathnealon

    Please people if BO is for a single payer system(even though he’s pretending he’s not)then there has to be something inherently corrupt about it–namely that he and his Chicago thugs will be in charge–God help us. I can just see it now, ACORN thugs at hospitals and clinics and doctor’s offices threatening the physicians to give better treatment to those who haven’t paid a dime of income taxes rather than the schmuck working 3 jobs,or the small business owner trying to pay his workers.

  • fif

    “his answer lacked the logic and candor we have often come to expect of him.”

    That’s a nice way of saying he’s a liar and con. How difficult would it be to extend the Medicare model? Not that difficult. And he talks about keeping his promise to achieve UHC…well, we know what happens to his promises, and if he is not going to do it now, with his political capital at the highest it is ever likely to be, then he will never do it. Same with the Freedom of Choice Act (that he promised to sign ‘first thing’ when he became president–now it’s “not a legislative priority”); or repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, etc.

    It’s very simple: he is not a strong leader. He caves. Is there any doubt that Hillary would have realized UHC?

  • mary

    SOMEBODY OUGHT TO SUGGEST THAT HILLARY CLINTON BE GIVEN A STATUE BESIDE THE LIBERTY LADY….SHE WAS THE FIRST PIONEER OF MEDICAL INSURANCE AND HAD THE GUTS AND CONVICTION TO GO FOR IT IN THE EARLY 90s!!!!

    Yet, Obama is still FLIP-FLOPPING…SHAME ON THE JERK!

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