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Classy, Sassy Nancy

By Larry Johnson on May 19, 2009 at 8:53 PM in Current Affairs

If a picture is worth a thousand words, then this video is a friggin library.

It is tough to teach someone to be this incoherent. It is only one thing.

Talent. Or to be more accurate, a lack of talent at lying. Bill Clinton was believable, sort of, while insisting he “did not have sex with that woman.” And Dick Cheney? Hell, he knew where the weapons of mass destruction were (but he hasn’t been so chatty about that of late).

But Nancy? A brain addled disaster. She’s certain the CIA lied but she is not certain about what she was “informed” (sic) and when she was “informed” of it.

Katmoon

Wow, just stunning. Is it possible that Botox affects memory?

Ani

I have actually avoided watching her incoherent press conferences but I was watching this slack jawed. Dear Lord, she must know she is in a world of trouble.

I wonder if this is going to continue the trend of the last administration where everyone is made of teflon and no matter what the probme or scandal, everyone just gets away with it?

What say you?

sowsear

If the coating on Der Leader is any indication, it shall be so.
elise

Hi Ani. I don’t know the answer to your question, but I have a feeling Pelosi is not well loved in the House on either side of the isle. How does Obama feel about her at this point? Under the bus? How is the rest of the media covering this? I’ve been out of touch for a while and I’m curious to know what kind of support she has, if any.

Portia Elizabeth

Haven’t you noticed the utter silence coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? IMHO she’s served her purpose to Der Fuhrer and will soon be under that bus.

sandi78

I think you’re right, but they better get a new bus for her. I don’t want her under the Hillary voters’ bus.

ConfusedAmerican

I have a feeling the bus ride is getting Mighty Bumpy..

connie

Yes Ms. Nancy seems to have her buns in the warmer, I don’t like her because of what she did to Hillary, but if you notice who made this video, the very people who did the torture. Let us be clear about this, the republicans are stirring this up to cover their own rearend. They are sidelining what they did, in other words causing chaos, just as they did during the primary. What happened then, we selected the equivelent of Hitler instead of a person who could have done some good in this country. Its all a game people pay ATTENTION!! Our country is dependent upon all of reading and finding the truth!!!

Katmoon

It’s a little hard to “stir” sheer stupidity as it is coming out of her mouth, which I saw prior to this video, on each news cast, just sayin..
Ladydawnelle

Isn’t the FIRST rule of being a Government cia, fbi or nsa

as WELL as the first rule of becoming any politician

first rule is basically subterfuge?

so who do you believe a KNOWN liar by trade or a KNOWN liar by elected trade?

that’s got me scratching my head
and YES I think it is convenient that no one is talking about all the OTHER crap going on……. bambi is just sliding through and no one is noticing him since Nancy is the target du jour. (and terrible liar)

jmo
jwrjr

The Repubs don’t need to make Pelousy look bed. Pelousy is doing an excellent job of that without any help.

Portia Elizabeth

really! When somebody is making a fool of themselves, step back and let them continue.

NomNomNom

I agree that Pelosi is relatively small fish as compared with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush etc.
My problem with Pelosi is the taking of impeachment off the table. We could have impeached the last fraudulent pres & prosecuted these warmongering murderers when the dems took control of the House and Senate in 2006.
We might never have ended up with BHO because the whole hopey-changey platform would have been meaningless if we’d really gone after the Bush administration & their backers.
tek

connie: hear, hear! All these politicians are bad, only after their own personal interest.

http://! stodgie

and connie if you for one minute think that you’ll find the truth from this media or the democrats, i am afraid you are in for a very big disappointment.

tek

stodie: why does everything always have to come down to partisanship with the Republicans on this blog? Why is it that Democrats (or former Democrats can be objective about their party, but if any criticism is leveled at Republicans, people like you immediately lash out at the commenter?

You’re not even addressing what connie said. She’s not lauding the media or attempting to gloss over the Democrats. If conservatives can’t ever look at their representatives and admit when the Republican politicians have made a mistake, if Republicans keep insisting the Democrats are all bad and the Republicans should always be in power, then we’ll never get a fair, balanced government. That thinking would lead to one-party system like the Soviet Union had.

Even Larry Johnson can look at both parties and recognize when one or the other is dropping the ball and he was a Republican working inside the government.

Portia Elizabeth

Lash out???
Connie is in for a disappointment is hardly in a league with some of the Obot comments seen here.
Lashing out is when they called Sarah Palin a c*** or when they called Hillary a monster.
BTW, I’m a Formercrat who supported Hillary in 2008 and always will.
http://! stodgie

for starters tek, i am not a republican. you know what they say about people who make assumptions. i am an registered independent who is disgusted with both sides. I WILL NOT GIVE NANCY A PASS BECAUSE SHE IS A DEMOCRAT. I AM DISGUSTED WITH HER AND THINK SHE IS A DANGER TO THIS COUNTRY. DEAL WITH THAT!

http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

Holy smokes – and she’s THIRD in line?? That’s damn scary…

Tess

Yeah, what SHE says.
trixta

Actually, Pelosi comes after Bo’s teleprompter and Biden, so I guess that makes her 4th in line.
TeakwoodKite

Rev Amy, the smoke you say, has been blessed by the Pope?

she’s THIRD in line??

What does that say about the two Yuks ahead of her?
tango

Yep, but don’t forget who is right in front of her. Joe “let me tell you where the secret bunker is where I’m supposed to hide if the bombs start dropping” Biden. Wouldn’t have to worry about Joe not remembering when or what he was briefing of by the CIA- he’d blab it within a few weeks anyway.

So we have dumb, dumber and dumbest in the top 3. Oh makes me feel very safe and secure, how about you?
FLDemFem

Especially since the 4th in line is Hillary. Heh.

http://! stodgie

scary thought that someone so stupid and uncaring about the welfare of this country is THIRD in line. i’ll begin praying for obama’s and biden’s health tonight. she absolutely has to go. do we want her anywhere near the “phone” at 3 in the morning when a crisis breaks out? well do we?????????

http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

Actually, Obama and Biden being first and second in line is scariest of all when you really think about it.

http://! stodgie

yeah, well the three horsemen come to mind now that you mention it. how low the dims have sunk! they have the best chance in 75 years to affect real change and they opted to screw it up.

http://! stodgie

larry, do you feel she is in a secure position? i think for now she’ll stay but her power has been cut in half. the public is now awake to exactly what she is. hoyer, emanuel, and obama in my view would like to move her on down the road. she is too dumb even for their likes.
Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

Well which story is Pelosi telling today?
Animal Control

I was not briefed – but I was informed.

WHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAT?

trixta

“I was briefed, but I was not informed ….”

Or was it, “I was briefed and informed, but was not … uh, … (Oh shit, I’m so confused)!

Animal Control

Oh, I thought it was only me.

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“briefed” is that another word for depends??

beachnan

Let’s get this straight, I do not like Nancy and her cheerleading for Obama made me ill, but I do think that she is being unfairly targeted. The Republicans are going after her, because they cannot go after Obama. I agree with Connie, we need to keep the focus on Obama, and shouldn’t we be calling out the people in charge who authorized torture in the first place, instead of when, and how Nancy knew or didn’t know what was going on? Too bad she doesn’t lie as well as Chaney and Obama, they are masterful when it comes to not telling the truth.

Ani

You raise a very good point.

However, I find it ironic that Pelosi, as UppityWoman put it so well on another thread, was the first one to kick the ladder out from under Hillary in favor of Obama. Now she is finding out the hard way the level of his loyalty for her HUGE support in the primary — which is to say, zero.

He is more than happy to throw her under the bus and/or let her flail in the wind on her own.

Karma, baby.

I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. She made her bed. Let her “lie” in it.

trixta

I’m so with you on this one, Ani. Pelosi is having her well-deserved just desserts. Cheney and Bush will get theirs too.

connie

beachnan, I agree, we all do know now that poor pooplosie can’t lie as well as huh hmmm huh lets see Obama, Bush, Cheney and the whole press corp. She is the hot seat, I don’t like her, but I am sad to see another WOMAN targeted by the republicans. They are so good at that!

getfitnow

connie, I don’t think the repubs are targeting a WOMAN. Their target is a dem–the opposition. I think, they and the dems (if the shoe was on the other foot) would do the same thing regardless of gender.
postmaster

ref: republicans are so good at targeting women: actually the Democrats are better….they joined forces to keep Hillary from the nomination, they totally trashed Palin….and these are women doing that to other women.

lorac

The repubs may be targeting her, but I think it should *all* be investigated. I’ve never forgotten her taking impeachment “off the table” – a 180 if there ever was one. Now it’s looking like it was just a show, because if she had pushed impeachment, she would have incriminated herself and other dems. So I think it *all* needs to come out – not just “Bush and let’s move on” – it’s all a system, past and present – the system needs to be investigated and changed.

Doc99

I’m thinking Steny Hoyer is rehearsing his somber, statesman-like acceptance speech.

Diana

I found this article from 2007. If this is true then she sent a letter of protest against the techniques to the CIA in 2003. If she sent a letter than maybe the CIA or her office still has a copy which would prove one way or the other if she had any knowledge…

Pelosi declined to comment directly on her reaction to the classified briefings. But a congressional source familiar with Pelosi’s position on the matter said the California lawmaker did recall discussions about enhanced interrogation. The source said Pelosi recalls that techniques described by the CIA were still in the planning stage — they had been designed and cleared with agency lawyers but not yet put in practice — and acknowledged that Pelosi did not raise objections at the time.

Harman, who replaced Pelosi as the committee’s top Democrat in January 2003, disclosed Friday that she filed a classified letter to the CIA in February of that year as an official protest about the interrogation program. Harman said she had been prevented from publicly discussing the letter or the CIA’s program because of strict rules of secrecy.

“When you serve on intelligence committee you sign a second oath — one of secrecy,” she said. “I was briefed, but the information was closely held to just the Gang of Four. I was not free to disclose anything.”

For the full article from the Washington Post:
http://tinyurl.com/2vjh53

Animal Control

Good article.

I’ve always believed that the only oath that counts is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution
TeakwoodKite

But a congressional source familiar with Pelosi’s position

Among the techniques described, said two officials present
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said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.
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according to interviews with multiple U.S. officials with firsthand knowledge
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but officials present during the meetings described the reaction as mostly quiet acquiescence,
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Not one person would go on the record and the article is chock full of the “usual suspects. It’s Hearsay. Next.

Look, as the Speaker of the House or a member of a Gang, an oath to the Constitution trumps and secret club house vow.
The obligation to speak truth to power in defense of the Constitution comes first. Period.

The Gang of Four” geez…like something Chairman Mao would say.
lorac

Harman wrote the letter, but Nancy didn’t sign on.

TeakwoodKite

Lorac good point, in fact Jane Harmon was canned of the house Intel committee for writing it.

elise

Diana, Sen. Rockefeller, Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time of the invasion of Iraq, claimed he wrote a letter to the White House protesting the quality of the intelligence being used to justify the war. He said he knew the information was “cherry picked” and misleading but the information was classified and he was unable to divulge the truth to the American people.

That Jane Harman knew about the enhanced interrogations, but didn’t blow the whistle doesn’t absolve her of complicity in the commission of crimes. Whether Pelosi knew these techniques were being used or had been used doesn’t absolve her. She was the ranking minority leader on the House Intelligence Committee and it was her duty to ask the necessary questions during her briefing.

They all hide behind a veil of secrecy their own rules provide and justify the rules as necessary to national security. If things go as planned, no questions are asked and if things go wrong, they blame the other party or the rules. In the case of the Iraq war and torture, the two ranking members of the minority party on the respective committees on intelligence allowed the atrocities to occur so are equally guilty IMO.

In a speech in Ohio prior to the primary election, Obama said Hillary Clinton didn’t read the Intelligence Report in it’s entirety before her vote on the Iraq Resolution. He then claimed Sen. Rockefeller read the report and voted against it, but this was a mistake/lie. Sen. Rockefeller voted in favor of the Resolution and his speech on the senate floor prior to the vote didn’t indicate he had doubts about the validity of the intelligence, but Hillary’s speech did show she had misgivings. Shortly after Obama’s speech in Ohio, Rockefeller endorsed him.

Just so we can keep things in perspective, Karl Rove and GWB campaign in 2001 spread blatant lies about John McCain in the Republican primaries as they had against Ann Richards in the gubernatorial campaign in Texas. Tom Delay used every dirty trick known to acquire a Republican majority in congress and even crossed the line into illegality according to a Texas grand jury.

This is our government and system at work for us, aided and abetted by the “free” press. Who knows for sure if there is an underlying nefarious plan to take our freedom and identity as a country away or are they all just power mad idiots?

chmoore

Larry, please,
With all due respect, and I mean that sincerely, you seem to be missing the point by repeatedly hounding Nancy Pelosi on this issue.

1. Not to defend her confoundedness, but from her point of view, she believes she was painted into a corner. Briefed, but committed to the condition of secrecy. Then attacked from the right for not (as part of Intel committee) stopping the torture she herself criticized. Who actually performed better, under the same circumstances?

2. Meanwhile, while you’re busy poking at Nancy; Ray McGovern (whom I understand you know) has written the real story

here >>> http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/051809a.html

Animal Control

Most people who break the law “believe they did’t do it, or didn’t know”

She wanted this job, being confounded (a gentle word for “lying with plausible deniability”, so being confused is no defense.
Not trying to start anything but I don’t think secrecy trumps if a crime is being contemplated. It’s called a crime or conspiracy depending on what stage the act is in.
Torture was and is against the law.

lorac

Yes, I agree.

Isn’t Congres informed in order to deny/approve? Then there has to be room for objections. If being briefed “in secret” means you can’t raise objections, then what is the point of there being a briefing at all?

Animal Control

Wait a minute–you mean we’re supposed to make sense.

TeakwoodKite

Though Tenet and McLaughlin wouldn’t give Powell the identity of the al-Qaeda source,

What and Powell hears Tenet say “trust me”?

Ray McGovern (who I saw make Rep Conyers look like an idiot on an interview with Amy Goodman over Black Water) is not the source, Retired Col. Lawrence Wilkerson is, apparently the only adult in the room most of the time. Powell was played for a “good soldier” sucker.

He clearly lied,” Tenet writes in his book. “We just don’t know when. Did he lie when he first said that Al Qaeda members received training in Iraq or did he lie when he said they did not? In my mind, either case might still be true.”

Surrrrre….George, wasn’t Mr. Drumheller sending you multple cables saying you have your head up your A&@?

Ray McGovern is an experience professional.

barry bums a ciggie

What version are we up to now?

She sounds like Porky Pig at the end of Looney Tunes. Nancy, keep diggin’.

Animal Control

3.1 at lasr count

Animal Control

woops! lasr = last

TeakwoodKite

it’s contagious Animal Control. Get your Ketch All Pole quick!

Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

I see the Saul Alinsky recruits are coming out to defend Pelosi. How sweet…

Pelosi is accusing the CIA of lying. She’s a hypocrite. Railing against enhanced interrogation while she knew about it and said nothing. And she could have spoke up but didn’t. Give it a rest.

connie

sorry, I am not defending Botox, she is a bad person, but scapegoating is not for me. The real bad folks are Bush,Cheney and Dumsfeld.

TeakwoodKite

I heard this line at work yesterday.
Deal with today. Yesterday is gone.

The real bad folks are not as you say “Bush,Cheney and Dumsfeld”, it’s the elected quislings that let it go on in the first place.
That would be that co-equal branch of government, the Congress.

Portia Elizabeth

Exactly, TeakwoodKite! Checks and balances were put there for a reason. Pelosi et al had the power to stop it and didn’t.

lorac

But she enabled them, she allowed it. If Congress hadn’t approved what was going on, it wouldn’t have gone on, right? So, they’re pretty equal in the responsibility realm, to me.

James Guglielmino

And yet, there have now been FOUR examples of proved CIA “mistakes” in briefing. Yeah, she did a horrible job with her poorly read denial, but what in the world are you going to do, Larry, with all the other people? and just so I know what to expect, how many “mistakes” by the CIA are going to have to be pointed out before you are moved from your default position of defending the CIA? Just wondering.
From TPM:
“Here’s yet more evidence — as if it were needed — that that CIA briefing document that Republicans are trying to hang around Nancy Pelosi’s neck is hardly a reliable source of information. ”

“Rep. David Obey, who chairs the appropriations committee, just sent the following letter to CIA director Leon Panetta:

Dear Director Panetta:
In light of current controversy about CIA briefing practices, I was surprised to learn that the agency erroneously listed an appropriations staffer as being in a key briefing on September 19, 2006, when in fact he was not. The list the agency released entitled “Member Briefings on Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (EITs)”, shows that House Appropriations Committee defense appropriations staffer Paul Juola was in that briefing on that date. In fact, Mr. Juola recollects that he walked members to the briefing room, met General Hayden and Mr.Walker, who were the briefers, and was told that he could not attend the briefing. We request that you immediately correct this record.

Sincerely,

David R. Obey

Obey joins Sen. Jay Rockefeller, former senator Bob Graham, and of course Pelosi herself in pointing to inaccuracies in the CIA document.

And, though most of the media was fooled by last week’s statement, Panetta himself isn’t guaranteeing that the document is accurate.

PERMALINK | RECOMMEND RECOMMEND (16)
| TOPICS: CIA, Jay Rockefeller, Nancy Pelosi, Torture “

http://! stodgie

james, have some pride. stop being a tool!

Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

Gugalooloo likes living in manure:-)

Stop the dog lover fest!

TeakwoodKite

I put my Obama Chia Pet next to a fire hydrant from “Toy Story”.

James, don’t you know a CYA letter when you read it? Rep Obey was making clear the staffer in question was not to be deposed for what he could not testify to. To wit, I am sure the staffer is relieved to get a pass.

UG. Donna I do believe.

trixta

James is a Bot who thinks he’s human (as evidenced by his compassion for Pelosi).

Portia Elizabeth

Let’s see… how many of the above mentioned are Democrats?

http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

Comrade Connie, what part of Nancy’s been a’lying isn’t clear to you?

Where’s Hillary? We need Hillary. And Bill, stat!

connie

Betsy, did I say I love Pooplosi, as far as I am concerned I don’t care if she goes down, but I am not will to listen to the rethugs try and deflect the attn off of Bush at the expense of a democrat, no matter how I hate her. She was horrible to Hillary and Bill, but lets get real if we are going to prosecute war criminals, lets get the real ones not the victims.

lorac

How did she become a victim now? Does anybody really believe her line that they briefed her on waterboarding, but told her they weren’t going to use it? Why brief her on it, if it wasn’t going to be used! She may be facing political karma, but I don’t think she is an innocent.
TeakwoodKite

“the attn off of Bush at the expense of a democrat”

Connie, who has the football now?

ROLF; that was the funniest dam thing I have read all month.
http://! stodgie

connie, nancy had every opporunity to open her mouth and demand torture stop. she had every opportunity to put bush up for impeachment. she could have stopped funding. she didn’t. she could have done many thing she chose not to do. and she WAS WELL INFORMED ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING. make no mistake there. what YOU AND OTHERS ARE MISSING HERE IS THAT YOU WANT US TO CLOSE OUR EYES AND LET THE LYING, DOUBLE DIPPING, HOODWINKING, FRAUD AND TEARING THE COUNTRY TO PIECES IN ORDER TO SUPPORT DIMOCRATS???????????????????????PLEASE THERE IS NO REASON TO DO SO! NONE, NADA, ZIP! THEY ARE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SAME WRONG COIN WHICH HAS NEARLY DESTROYED THIS COUNTRY. I AM SICK OF HEARING ABOUT DIMOCRATS. THEY ARE AN INSULT TO MY INTELLIGENCE AND EVERY OTHER GOOD AMERICAN.

I’m a Linda too

Oh, I saw this posted by Michelle Bachmann, very good. And, so embarrassing for Pelosi.
tillthen

My compliments to whomever did the music for the video. It was perfect – a little spacey, a little loony, a little phantasmagorical – in describing this woman, this one person zoo. I laughed my FAO!! More, please let us have more!
TeakwoodKite

Now I am on search…no make that a quest, to find the video of Nancy Pelosi at the podium say of the Republicans, Gw in particular, that they should “stop digging”.

I know it exists because my reaction was to want to send everyone in Congress a green shovel with an engraved inscription saying “Subsisto Fossura”.
connie

I just have one rant and then I will shut up. During the primaries this blog, Hillaryis44 and TexasDarlin were pro Hillary blogs and for many of us a haven in a bad storm.
We have learned since then that the republicans were instrumental in getting Obummer elected, why, so they could do just what they are doing upstream from this comment, confusing the real issues. Folks, it what they are good at.
Yes I hate rethugs more than I do Pooplosie, so what.I just know the damage that they have cause since FDR was president. I Reagan was an idiot puppet just like we have now, all run by the elite. If we don’t wake up folks we won’t have a country.

lorac

I feel like you’re making it black and white – we have to pick one “side” to go after, and it should be Bush.

I see no reason to only go after the previous criminals, and leave the current criminals in power. If they’re guilty, they must go! I don’t care what party they’re in. It’s not black and white to ME – we need to go after all the guilty. Not just the previous guilty.

CG

This episode is the least of Nancy’s sins, though still a sin. If she goes down, great. But IF Cheney, Rumsfeld and W. are not punished for being the only ones with the power to approve and order or stop the enhanced interrogation techniques used since Nancy had no such power, then that will be the real travesty, especially because they lied and lied and lied, countless times, and ruined people’s careers to make the case to go to war in Iraq. And I’ll say ‘typical, just typical, every one takes the fall for Cheney and Bush.’ And then, and only then will Nancy Pelosi wish she hadn’t kept impeachment off the table, and she’ll question the wisdom of her leadership. And I’ll wonder why she went down for this versus going down for her behavior in the primary and at the convention, her behavior in putting off important issues for the country in order not to jeopardize Obama’s election, and lastly her behavior regarding the economic legislation, granted she used techniques that Gingrich, Hastert and DeLay employed.

Why is it that Obama, Cheney and Bush are never held accountable, where is the justice; the perpetrators ordering wrong doings get away with everything? It doesn’t feel like we live in a democracy that believes in the rule of law, or justice.

http://! stodgie

cg, let me remind many wanted to impeach bush but ole nancy wouldn’t hear it. she was in bed with them figurately speaking, so don’t exclude her. she sucked UP, yuked it up and bent over backwards for them. so i don’t have ANY SYMPATHY FOR THIS PATHETIC WOMAN. SHE IS A DANGER TO OUR COUNTRY AND HAS TO GO.

TeakwoodKite

Elvis has LEFT THE BUILDING!!!

Or put another way;

“Nancy is OFF THE TABLE”!!!

stodgie you hit the nail with a Sledge Hammer.

Anyone who wonders, at this late date WHY, she held that position is one dot short of connected. She was part of the problem, not the solution.
CG

Stodgie, I know and I was one of the ones who wanted Bush impeached. I was furious with her to take that stance of no investigation into wrongdoing or impeachment. I don’t have any sympathy for her whatsoever. I want Nancy to go, and so I said

If she goes down, great!

What I meant to say was, as a matter of degrees, this episode was the least egregious because she has done so much worse. I just want Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush and Obama to be held accountable and possibly punished as well. The other point I was making was that she was both fooled and foolish, and that’s why I said that once she’s been kicked out, only then, will she reflect:

And then, and only then will Nancy Pelosi wish she hadn’t kept impeachment off the table, and she’ll question the wisdom of her leadership.
CG

Stodgie and TeakwoodKite

I also said

And I’ll wonder why she went down for this versus going down for her behavior in the primary and at the convention, her behavior in putting off important issues for the country in order not to jeopardize Obama’s election, and lastly her behavior regarding the economic legislation,

meaning Nancy should have been ousted way before this ridiculous news conference where she epitomized a bumbling LIAR.

So because I obviously didn’t make it clear “I don’t have ANY SYMPATHY FOR THIS PATHETIC WOMAN” either. I really thought I was being critical of Nancy and thought she should go, but she should have been kicked out long before.

Do you guys think that Cheney and Bush should be held accountable for anything?

TeakwoodKite

CG, Cheney and Bush should be held accountable

Absofreakinlutely, they should.
No ifs ands or butts.

You need to talk to BO now about that now. Good luck with that. (not directed at you). He is not interested in prosecution, but he will release documents to throw Nancy under the Bus in a heart beat.

My point is in this representational form of government, as defined by the Constitution, (which Nancy took an oath to defend) we have co-equal branches of government.

That means they all are in it up to their collective necks. Saying we should not allow Nancy to be a distraction for holding Bush and his entourage accountable is on the face of it laughable, Constitutionally speaking.

If Nancy Pelosi wants to keep digging like she’s a mad woman on a backhoe who am I to object?

CG

Can’t the Speaker of the House prosecute without the approval of the President? I know it wouldn’t happen except in my dreams, but wouldn’t you love Nancy throwing Barry back under the bus by investigating his many misdeeds, there would be a great fight, and we could get rid of the lot of them, she’d be called a racist, all the cover-ups exposed… What if Nancy took to criticizing Barry as she did the CIA at a news conference in order to not be brought down alone? Ha, ha.

Back on the day she said it, I wrote in a comment at NQ, that Nancy had gone and done it again, disrespecting all women with her remark having been asked about the 18 million cracks in the highest glass ceiling achieved by Hillary, and Nancy had the gaul to say it was she who achieved more because she had cracked the marble ceiling. As if she would ever have received more votes in a national election that what San Francisco would offer. Nancy is awful, she is jealous and she puts down women all around her because she doesn’t want any competition. I will be very happy when she is ousted and it won’t come soon enough.

Portia Elizabeth

CG– you’re right, Pelosi should’ve been removed for her earlier transgressions, but we’ll take what we can get. Remember it took tax evasion to get Al Capone because they couldn’t pin anything else on him. But he went to prison.
http://! stodgie

i wanted them(bush/cheney) held accountable but i won’t be part of dimocratic plan to use them for their patisan purposes. all of the so called high minded refuse to see it for what it is. the dimocrats are not your friend anymore than repubs were. nancy could have held bush accountable but she didn’t. to do it right now would deter us in a serious econonimic crisis and further tear this country apart.

http://! stodgie

all this sympathy for nancy? please! do you think she gave a dang about you when she nearly brought down the stock market by 800 or so points with one SPEECH before the tarp vote? do you think she gave a dang about your children’s future when congress passed the biggest pork bill in history while americans wanted help to get out of the recession. that was no stimulus bill! and you feel sorry for nancy. PLEASE! do you think she’ll care about you do the road and do right by you. do you want her this close to the presidency? will you sleep better with her around? huh?

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When you’re right — you’re right!

She has three strikes — and frankly she women’s worst enemy.

Annie

I’ve tried not to watch ‘ole Nancy lately. She has that desperate woman look on her face. A kind of Norma Desmond thing. Karma is a bitch and I’ve been waiting to see what would become of Nancy after the “we won” attitude she exhibited in the beginning of the year. Just think it only took five months for the worm to turn. And yes, the only thing scarier than Joe Biden at the helm is Nancy Pelosi there! When we’re done cleaning out Congress it should be time for another General Election. Let’s keep cleaning then!

lorac

“A kind of Norma Desmond thing”

Ha! That’s great – you captured it!

And she’s ready for her close up, only the parade has already passed her by, and her view is from under the bus.

ziggy

Pelosi should take the hit for possibly being informed of something but not somehow stopping it, while Bush and Cheney–who were directly responsible–should simply walk?

This is like going after someone allegedly told about a crime rather than going after the people known to have committed it.

It’s not going to play out that way. The republicans are unwittingly setting up their own carpet bombing with unexploded ordinance left by the Bush administration. Obama doesn’t want to be seen as the guy who dredges it all up for political reasons. What he’s doing is letting the republicans create the situation that will necessitate the release of the damaging information–ostensibly to get to the bottom of the Pelosi situation.

Do you really think the guy who won the 2008 election is politically incompetent? Does anyone really think Pelosi can’t keep track of what she’s recently said?

Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m beginning to suspect they both know exactly what they’re doing.

lorac

I haven’t seen anyone say that BushCo shouldn’t be investigated and prosecuted. I’ve just heard people say don’t ignore the CongressCritters (including dems) who enabled BushCo. Get ‘em all.

That way it’s cleaning out the dirt. To just get the previous administration would be partisan, and reminiscent of what happens when dictatorships change hands.
elise

ziggy, I believe Obama opened this Pandora’s Box himself by releasing the original memos. What was his purpose unless he intended to follow through with a complete investigation into these crimes?

“Do you really think the guy who won the 2008 election is politically incompetent?”

Do you really believe the ability to “win” the 2008 election indicates a broad understanding of leadership or wisdom? He had plenty of help taking advantage of the serious problems the country faces, the obscene amount of money donated to his campaign, dissatisfaction with the outgoing administration and clever use of his bi-racial heritage.

ziggy

Do you really believe the ability to “win” the 2008 election indicates a broad understanding of leadership or wisdom?

I think that’s a separate issue from skill as a politican. Obama’s certainly got that. Politicians in general attempt to use problems and issues to political advantage.

My personal opinion–a biased one, admittedly–is that he also has leadership skills, some good ideas, and generally good intentions. Balancing those with political realities produces mixed results. I’m still hoping the mix will turn out to be on the plus side over the long term.

I agree that he made effective use of his personal heritage, but I don’t hold that against him. It was either that or let it be a serious disadvantage. A barrier was broken in the process, which I believe to be a very good thing. I’d have felt the same way about broken barriers had Hillary been elected. That one needs to be broken too.

elise

ziggy, his use of his racial heritage included playing the race card which did and will have a negative effect on race relation in the long term, IMO. It is not a pleasant to ponder a future of increased animosity between races due to the ambitions of a few pols making any honest dialogue futile. You argue the election has resulted in broken barrier and I agree, but no matter how history is written or rewritten, he should be judged by his words and deeds which directly impacts people I love and worry about. So far, what he has said and done has reinforced my original opinion (ie He is inexperienced, incompetent and dishonest).

I don’t feel inclined to rehash all of my view of what actually happened in 2007/2008. I don’t need to vent right now and I know nothing will change your mind. I probably will not laugh or say “I told you so” if his presidency so far is evidence of what is to come and you reach the point you can no longer lie to yourself about the ambition and superficiality of this man.

helenk

All who were involved should be prosecuted for war crimes.
Axis Sally Pelosi should have been thrown out when she said “impeachment is off the table”. With that statement she gave a free pass for any crime committed.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Katmoon

Those who are complicit, deserve the same application of the law; no excuses. Let’s see the law apply to the politicians as it does to us “regular folk”. For example imagine if the law applied to all of Wall Street as it did to Martha Stewart.

This woman has had way too much interaction during these events to try to pull off the ignorance excuse.
Portia Elizabeth

I’m ashamed to admit I was so happy when a woman became Speaker of the House that I didn’t stop to look at her credentials. I guess that laziness in analysis is what drove Obots to the polls last November.
tek

Larry: LOL! ” a friggin’ library.”
Peggy Sue

I beginning to wonder if this isn’t all political theater, that Nancy P. has been drawn into this through her own incompetence, but all of this drama is nothing more than a distraction, a way of shifting the focus off the real issue: letting the question of torture slide for so-called “national security” issues.

Even Reid’s pronouncement yesterday, a refusal to fund the transfer of Gitmo inmates seemed more like stagecraft to me. What better way to cover the Administration’s behind–we wanted to do it but those meanies and cowards in Congress wouldn’t fund the operation.

It’s all starting to look like an on-going Passion Play for the masses, to keep things churned up and immediate, to keep stoking the public’s fear, anger and uneasiness, while our pockets are being picked and our way of life dismantled.

I don’t trust any of these people anymore. Pelosi can get flushed with the lot of them. She deserves it as do the majority of the Dem and Repug party members. They’re not serving us; they’re serving themselves and the money interests that keep them in the game.

It’s disgusting!