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		<title>By: ChrisXP</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisXP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 23:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, mom and I went out today. While on the bus there was an elderly Black lady who was talking with the bus driver about being a pollster. She was summoned by some party to apply (Obama&#039;s campaign?), and the conversation was more about the money the pollster job would bring in (not a peep about duty or country, it&#039;s &quot;Mo&#039; money!&quot;

Meanwhile, the bus goes through the projects. Now I don&#039;t go downtown much, so while the bus weaved through one of the projects I remember from yet another bus ride (remember enforced intergration bussing?) one that I saw going to elementary school via the same route and same project. As the bus turned down the old school street, I saw 2 community centers; a Boys and Girls club; a huge playground, and a new elementary school within 2 blocks of the project.

Those families have been living in that project for over 40 years folks. Every decade they get some new MAJOR perk (I wish our neighborhood had even HALF that project has...hasn&#039;t been a playground here for 60 years, until very recently, &lt;strong&gt;after&lt;/strong&gt; a &lt;strike&gt;black&lt;/strike&gt; kid was killed when hit by a car playing in the only area he could -- the street). Guess what? &lt;strong&gt;They&#039;ll remain in that project for yet another 40 years.&lt;/strong&gt; Why leave when the roof is repaired; the lawns cut; the faucet and toilet is fixed; and the project has more perks than a $700/mon apartment complex?

The bus continued down the road past abandoned shotgun houses, and run downed cottages that littered the place. Turning down another street I saw homes with increasely more iron bars on the windows (one had black wrought iron so tight that the space between bars was about 1 inch apart and covered all windows all the way to the top). At this point I was getting angry about all what&#039;s wasted on folks who&#039;ll just keep on going downhill on some payback and hangout teet, and the thought those other folks will die in a house fire to protect their inside property. Then, in a blink of an eye, the bus passed this pretty little oasis in a sea of urban decay. Not only was the house painted; lawn mowned; flower beds attended; windows even shaded with blinds; there was a &lt;strong&gt;GARRISON SIZED AMERICAN FLAG IN THE FRONT YARD [on a proper flag pole even]!!&lt;/strong&gt;

That made my day, folks. Out of all that generational misery I saw -- even in the middle of it -- someone defied the norms of &quot;Entitlement Theology&quot;, and planted a king-sized Stars and Stripes in a beautiful yard with care.

Why can&#039;t Obama wear a simple flag pin to show he cares about a home he want&#039;s to inherit (the White House)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, mom and I went out today. While on the bus there was an elderly Black lady who was talking with the bus driver about being a pollster. She was summoned by some party to apply (Obama&#8217;s campaign?), and the conversation was more about the money the pollster job would bring in (not a peep about duty or country, it&#8217;s &#8220;Mo&#8217; money!&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the bus goes through the projects. Now I don&#8217;t go downtown much, so while the bus weaved through one of the projects I remember from yet another bus ride (remember enforced intergration bussing?) one that I saw going to elementary school via the same route and same project. As the bus turned down the old school street, I saw 2 community centers; a Boys and Girls club; a huge playground, and a new elementary school within 2 blocks of the project.</p>
<p>Those families have been living in that project for over 40 years folks. Every decade they get some new MAJOR perk (I wish our neighborhood had even HALF that project has&#8230;hasn&#8217;t been a playground here for 60 years, until very recently, <strong>after</strong> a <strike>black</strike> kid was killed when hit by a car playing in the only area he could &#8212; the street). Guess what? <strong>They&#8217;ll remain in that project for yet another 40 years.</strong> Why leave when the roof is repaired; the lawns cut; the faucet and toilet is fixed; and the project has more perks than a $700/mon apartment complex?</p>
<p>The bus continued down the road past abandoned shotgun houses, and run downed cottages that littered the place. Turning down another street I saw homes with increasely more iron bars on the windows (one had black wrought iron so tight that the space between bars was about 1 inch apart and covered all windows all the way to the top). At this point I was getting angry about all what&#8217;s wasted on folks who&#8217;ll just keep on going downhill on some payback and hangout teet, and the thought those other folks will die in a house fire to protect their inside property. Then, in a blink of an eye, the bus passed this pretty little oasis in a sea of urban decay. Not only was the house painted; lawn mowned; flower beds attended; windows even shaded with blinds; there was a <strong>GARRISON SIZED AMERICAN FLAG IN THE FRONT YARD [on a proper flag pole even]!!</strong></p>
<p>That made my day, folks. Out of all that generational misery I saw &#8212; even in the middle of it &#8212; someone defied the norms of &#8220;Entitlement Theology&#8221;, and planted a king-sized Stars and Stripes in a beautiful yard with care.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t Obama wear a simple flag pin to show he cares about a home he want&#8217;s to inherit (the White House)?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisXP</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisXP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why not fight back before it’s too late?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

McCain isn&#039;t worse than Obama, that&#039;s why.

As bad as he is, compared to Barry, Dems could stomach 4 more years of him (they know what to expect and can at least plan for it), than even a year of Obama (so unknown, no one knows what&#039;ll he do, or even have helping him run the government).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why not fight back before it’s too late?</p></blockquote>
<p>McCain isn&#8217;t worse than Obama, that&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>As bad as he is, compared to Barry, Dems could stomach 4 more years of him (they know what to expect and can at least plan for it), than even a year of Obama (so unknown, no one knows what&#8217;ll he do, or even have helping him run the government).</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisXP</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2487/democrat-with-a-spine-west-virginia-morning-open-thread/#comment-243266</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisXP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am in total disbelief that we are re-enacting Bush.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even Bush isn&#039;t this bad. He at least had some experience before entering the White House.

Barry? A high school student could be more experienced in government. :shock:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am in total disbelief that we are re-enacting Bush.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even Bush isn&#8217;t this bad. He at least had some experience before entering the White House.</p>
<p>Barry? A high school student could be more experienced in government. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ChrisXP</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisXP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless granny has her shotgun loaded with rock salt and buckshot.

My WV neighbor shot a thief through the seat of his pants with it, and the neighborhood was crime free for a decade.

Home boyz with their 9mms are no match. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless granny has her shotgun loaded with rock salt and buckshot.</p>
<p>My WV neighbor shot a thief through the seat of his pants with it, and the neighborhood was crime free for a decade.</p>
<p>Home boyz with their 9mms are no match. <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2487/democrat-with-a-spine-west-virginia-morning-open-thread/#comment-242928</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 20:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a very telling meeting.  It just shows how easily people are manipulated without ever even realizing.  This really made me angry.  Use the buzzword &quot;hope&quot; in your speech, talk about the importance of proper names...than assign a proper name to only one.  The guy is obviously a master of behaviour modification.  I wonder if 16.7 million people will wake up one morning and say &quot;What happened?&quot;  Thanks for sharing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a very telling meeting.  It just shows how easily people are manipulated without ever even realizing.  This really made me angry.  Use the buzzword &#8220;hope&#8221; in your speech, talk about the importance of proper names&#8230;than assign a proper name to only one.  The guy is obviously a master of behaviour modification.  I wonder if 16.7 million people will wake up one morning and say &#8220;What happened?&#8221;  Thanks for sharing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s mention, on Riverdaughter, of SD&#039;s being threatened with with-holding of money and support if they don&#039;t endorse Obama.  Has anyone else heard this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s mention, on Riverdaughter, of SD&#8217;s being threatened with with-holding of money and support if they don&#8217;t endorse Obama.  Has anyone else heard this?</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hillarysmygirl,The Gringo&#039;s Wife,Untilthelastdogdies, Thanks for your responses. 

I am have been left to wonder about the exploitation of all ethinicities by making one of them the boogeyman. we are seeing the results of this BS on the body politic. 

Tis not the future I want for my kids. It so far removed from the words of MLK and others. 

Inline with BO&#039;s intimate friendship with Ayers, is the &quot;Multi-culturalism&quot; that is a &quot;of the rails&quot; threat to civil society. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;It is the ties that bind us.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;em&gt;Mrs Doughtfire &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hillarysmygirl,The Gringo&#8217;s Wife,Untilthelastdogdies, Thanks for your responses. </p>
<p>I am have been left to wonder about the exploitation of all ethinicities by making one of them the boogeyman. we are seeing the results of this BS on the body politic. </p>
<p>Tis not the future I want for my kids. It so far removed from the words of MLK and others. </p>
<p>Inline with BO&#8217;s intimate friendship with Ayers, is the &#8220;Multi-culturalism&#8221; that is a &#8220;of the rails&#8221; threat to civil society. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It is the ties that bind us.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p> <em>Mrs Doughtfire </em></p>
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		<title>By: CognitiveDissonance</title>
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		<dc:creator>CognitiveDissonance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another alternative is to vote the Green Party. Their platform very prominently includes feminism, and of course environmental issues. I will find it a lot easier to vote for them than McCain, since I agree with their values. If a lot of people did so, it would definitely raise a lot of eyebrows in the Democratic Party when Obama gets trounced and they see where the votes went.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another alternative is to vote the Green Party. Their platform very prominently includes feminism, and of course environmental issues. I will find it a lot easier to vote for them than McCain, since I agree with their values. If a lot of people did so, it would definitely raise a lot of eyebrows in the Democratic Party when Obama gets trounced and they see where the votes went.</p>
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		<title>By: bamaoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>bamaoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>potpourri, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>potpourri, sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Uppity</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2487/democrat-with-a-spine-west-virginia-morning-open-thread/#comment-242735</link>
		<dc:creator>Uppity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what can  you expect from Time Warner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what can  you expect from Time Warner?</p>
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		<title>By: Uppity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uppity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh AOL. LOL! Those people are crazy. Seriously, I think many of them log onto AOL from institutions during social therapy hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh AOL. LOL! Those people are crazy. Seriously, I think many of them log onto AOL from institutions during social therapy hour.</p>
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		<title>By: bamaoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>bamaoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big oil is known to fix elections, including republican ones.

Make sure you know what&#039;s what, before you game.

I really think they want to go into Africa, and Barry is their guy.


If McCain is yours, watch it closely, you have A LOT of middle eastern ops in the Africa/Obama camp, the unthinkable CAN happen to republicans, too.

I would also venture Russians in his camp, the usual poppurri of stench.

They&#039;ll do anything, and they&#039;re not intimidated by republican oil, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big oil is known to fix elections, including republican ones.</p>
<p>Make sure you know what&#8217;s what, before you game.</p>
<p>I really think they want to go into Africa, and Barry is their guy.</p>
<p>If McCain is yours, watch it closely, you have A LOT of middle eastern ops in the Africa/Obama camp, the unthinkable CAN happen to republicans, too.</p>
<p>I would also venture Russians in his camp, the usual poppurri of stench.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll do anything, and they&#8217;re not intimidated by republican oil, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Uppity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uppity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s happened before. And always, it&#039;s a losing proposition. The Democratic party will be taken back by the Sane again just like the last times. Truly this is deja vu. The only said part of it is that we could have elected a president instead of pandering to crackpots. BUt always, the lesson is learned in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s happened before. And always, it&#8217;s a losing proposition. The Democratic party will be taken back by the Sane again just like the last times. Truly this is deja vu. The only said part of it is that we could have elected a president instead of pandering to crackpots. BUt always, the lesson is learned in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Uppity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uppity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not really logistically possible. There would be an astronomical number of petition signature to get and time is very short for that. You have deadlines to get on the ballot. Besides, Hillary is a die hard real democrat. Her leaving the party is tantamount to giving it to Karl Marx. You can write hillary in if you want to. You can vote Mccain. You can vote for Nader. Whatever you do, do not stay home. It is important to vote agains Barack Obama so that these radicals once again understand the numbers are not with them in real life. It had to be done with McGovern. It had to be done with Dukakis. Now it has to be done again. We need to take our party BACK like we have all the other times, not leave it to these off the cliff radicals and the children they have duped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not really logistically possible. There would be an astronomical number of petition signature to get and time is very short for that. You have deadlines to get on the ballot. Besides, Hillary is a die hard real democrat. Her leaving the party is tantamount to giving it to Karl Marx. You can write hillary in if you want to. You can vote Mccain. You can vote for Nader. Whatever you do, do not stay home. It is important to vote agains Barack Obama so that these radicals once again understand the numbers are not with them in real life. It had to be done with McGovern. It had to be done with Dukakis. Now it has to be done again. We need to take our party BACK like we have all the other times, not leave it to these off the cliff radicals and the children they have duped.</p>
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		<title>By: bamaoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>bamaoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 18:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Obama is like a girl, remember someone made the point he&#039;s like a teen idol, the kind 13 year old girls feel comfortable with, because he&#039;s them, the argument being female journalists attracted to Obama are expressing lesbianism, and narcissism? 

But then how to explain Russert, and Matthews and Olbermann, are they too  female journalists, those with even bigger crushes on Obama?

Would that then make them OLD lesbians, as compared with their young counterparts?

And we all know what old lesbains like to read, Obama romance porn.

Uh huh, that&#039;s right.


And there you are, the Obama romance novel for lonely OLD lesbos, Gertrude Stein if she were stupid, frumpy and a broadcast journalist for  NBC.

Or woking for big oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Obama is like a girl, remember someone made the point he&#8217;s like a teen idol, the kind 13 year old girls feel comfortable with, because he&#8217;s them, the argument being female journalists attracted to Obama are expressing lesbianism, and narcissism? </p>
<p>But then how to explain Russert, and Matthews and Olbermann, are they too  female journalists, those with even bigger crushes on Obama?</p>
<p>Would that then make them OLD lesbians, as compared with their young counterparts?</p>
<p>And we all know what old lesbains like to read, Obama romance porn.</p>
<p>Uh huh, that&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>And there you are, the Obama romance novel for lonely OLD lesbos, Gertrude Stein if she were stupid, frumpy and a broadcast journalist for  NBC.</p>
<p>Or woking for big oil.</p>
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