Wilkerson on the Big Lie

I remember watching Powell give his speech…and knew what he was saying were lies. The information was all over the internet..concerning the situation in Iraq and the lack of any WMD. About an hour after Powell gave his speech, the internet site which eventually became ElectronicIraq….was online refuting his speaking points…item by item. Most of the MSM accepted his misinformation and lies…just as they have accepted the lies of BO and the Democrats. Robert Parry was one who did not. He even had the nerve to remind anyone who would listen about Powells’ lies and complicity and attempted coverup of Mia Li.

Thanks for the posting Susan, it would be nice if that A-hole Mathews would let a guest finish his/her frame of thought rather than the constant interruptions. Again, I certainly appreciate all that you here at NQ are dedicated to doing ie..get information out in the open.

Seriously, I hate the Bush admin more than anyone, but It’s sick watching this bash fest on all things Bush when at the time, when these crimes of the Bushies were occuring, not on goddamned Democrat raised even the most minimal of questions when they were steamrolling to Iraq.

You can blame the post 9/11 desire to appear tough, but the reality remains that the Democratic Party did absolutely nothing in the onslaught of obvious atrocities of the Bush regime. Nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing, other than encouraging it and supporting it.

And now everyone wants to be like “the CIA lied to us! The Bush admin lied to us!”? And this is exactly one of the reasons why the public still hates democrats for the most part. They have no credibility even as fucked up as the GOP is. The Democratic Party was just as much of a cheerleader for war as the Bush admin was.

CIA did not lie. The CIA relied on intelligence infomation from foreign intellegence sources. They all thought that the intell was legit.

When the Bush Admin tried to withhold this info, it was the CIA who rat them out. No one mess with the CIA. NAncy Pelosi clearly messed up.

LET’S TALK ABOUT NANCY PELOSI AND HER LIES. I AM SICK OF SEEING THE CIA TAKE THE HEAT FOR OTHERS.

susan, let’s talk about THE LACK OF DEMOCRATIC OVERSIGHT. LET’S TALK ABOUT HOW THE AVEAGE AMERICAN IS NOW BEING DUMPED IN THE STREET LIKE REFUSE BY DIMOCRATS. WE SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT PELOSI?

I agree with you, Susan. I have a a great deal of respect for Col. Wilkerson–more respect for him than I have, in fact, for Colin Powell now–because of his honesty and integrity regarding the intelligence at the time. Powell is remaining silent, though it’s clear that he is bitter about how he was used. If only Powell would be as honest and authentic about his own experience, good or bad. Instead, Powell is now advocating support for Bush’s policies being implemented by Obama. Wilkerson, to his credit, is neither criticizing nor echoing Powell, and is leaving Powell to his own counsel. But, at least Wilkerson is continuing to highlight his own experience, and understanding of what happened. Sadly, Obama doesn’t seem to believe that these events harm our country now, and in the future, if they are not investigated fully and those responsible are held accountable.

Yes, I think myself that though Bush & Co. overstepped, I still think that the times were unprecedented and that the oversteps came from a good place. i.e. I still think and that Bush & co. still believe they did what they thought was right at the time. Are they going to become revisionists themselves? Not so long as we have this witch hunt atmosphere. I think history will be a more moderate judge of this administration. But, no matter what anybody believes of their intentions, this constant revisionist hatred of everything and anything Bush is turning into some kind of negative self hate of our nation. I don’t see anything good coming from it. It’s kind of like those domestic disputes… where the child vents to their parents about their significant other… The next day the child has forgiven and forgotten. But, the parent will hold that grudge against the significant other indefinitely. It is this way with our nations dirty laundry. We may forgive each other someday, but world our opinion is being damaged indefinitely. This Bush hate is not healthy.

Do, you remember the one inspector that kept speaking up until they silenced him? Where is he today and why doesn’t he have a book or been on Oprah?!? Hemmm…

DADT Is Alive And Well; DOMA, Too thanks to Collin Powell.
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/10/dadt-is-alive-and-well-doma-too/#comment-1203100
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DOASKDOTELL VIDEO REVIEW “Gays in the Military” and “To Support and Defend”
Benecke describes military brass as “apoplectic” about Clinton’s campaign promise to lift the ban, once they suddenly realized he really wanted to fulfill it. Senator Sam Nunn would actually hide behind the idea of violence against gays, and Colin Powell would reportedly threaten to resign.
http://www.doaskdotell.com/movies/vgaymil.htm
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Collin Powell
The US secretary of state dislikes military intervention because he has problems understanding the world
Lawrence F Kaplan
recounts Edward Luttwak, “Powell overruled the newly inaugurated Clinton with contemptuous ease.” In at least one instance-the 1993 dust-up over gays in the military-Powell skirted the edge of insubordination. Exploiting Clinton’s weakness vis-à-vis the armed forces, Powell went public with his opposition to the plan to integrate homosexuals into the military, letting it be known that he might resign over the issue and humiliating Clinton into negotiating with-and all but surrendering to-his own military chiefs.
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=3392

Who is Collin Powell going to blame for denying gays in the military their rights? Did the CIA give him, his backward information…? Me thinks he did that all by himself! At some point, leadership also means taking responsibility for the blunders and harm caused by ones actions.

I’m sorry, the one point I cannot agree with Wilkerson is that Powell’s address to the UN was the most convincing argument for the war. I watched that presentation and immediately thought: Powell’s lying. As I remember Powell looked uncomfortable and was thoroughly unconvincing. The presentation was delivered like a lame script. It was “not” Powell’s finest moment, and I think even he realized that. In fact, I read later that Powell remarked that it was the worst day of his life.

My conclusion? Lots and lots of dirty hands in this mess. It goes across party lines and runs up and down the leadership. And the war drum was beaten endlessly by a hapless, cheerleading press, Chris Matthews included.

Who was duped? The American public, still in shock over 9/11, an attack that should have been preventable had our government not been asleep at the wheel.

Those in charge broke the back of this country, morally and economically in an unnecessary and stupid war abroad and in utter financial malfeasance domestically.

Will they be held accountable? I doubt it.

But we’re all going to suffer for it.

My point is that if he didn’t believe the information he was given, then why didn’t he put up a fight like with President Clinton. Why didn’t he stand up to President Bush II? Did he consider his personal views, that gays in the military were a bigger threat, than WAR? So, he had conviction on one, but not the other?!?

See, when you look at his actions, they don’t add up…he is simply trying to re-invent himself and to cover his tracks. He had the stamina to stand up to one Commander and Chief (Bill Clinton), but went all GUSH O me, he couldn’t stand up to Bushie II? Why didn’t he threaten to QUIT? Why didn’t he go public?

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is going to give her staff that just happened to be gay, all the rights (Civil Rights), that her other staff have. Now, that is leadership and maybe Collin Powell should learn a thing or two of how to treat the men and women that serve this country honorably, especially in time of WAR (like the one he helped to get us into).

What a laugh I got when Chris Matthews said he was against the war! He and MSNBC were a part of the pro war cheerleading squad as much as Fox News. Matthews and his spineless colleagues drove me to information sources like No Quarter and Sic Semper Tyrannis.

I never believe there was enough evidence to say that Iraq had WMDs either. There were enough sources and many people saying otherwise.

It seemed from the beginning to me to be a cooked up excuse to go into Iraq. I couldn’t believe Congress sat there and didn’t question W’s administration. It appeared to me that they were afraid to appear weak or something, when I thought they would appear stronger if they did more investigation. It’s just too big a decision to make–to drop a bomb like that and to begin something that would kill so many–not to do some real questioning. The urgency just seemed too made up to me. It was like watching a bad movie.

Perhaps people in Washington listen only to people in Washington.

Heck–Chris Tingle couldn’t get a question out without taking up more time than it would take to answer.

I don’t think their actions came from a “good place” at all. They were going with their own “theories,” based on their own ideologies and not concerned about the many hundreds of thousands of people who would pay the high price to push their ideaologies. They always seemed to be people who had NEVER lived in any but a very isolated reality with only people who shared the same Weltanschauung.

I don’t like people who don’t try to see things outside their comfort zones.

I can honestly say Bush’s behavior always frightened me.

I don’t think their actions came from a “good place” at all.

It only matters that Bush thought he was coming from a good place. After all, what more can we expect from a leader than to do what they feel is right?

I never believe there was enough evidence to say that Iraq had WMDs either. There were enough sources and many people saying otherwise.

It seemed from the beginning to me to be a cooked up excuse to go into Iraq.

I agree. Dubya’s and Cheney’s preoccupation with finishing a job that that they thought Daddy Bush didn’t finish and the subsequent ill-conceived planning and execution after the admittedly remarkable invasion has cost and will continue to cost us dearly.

Exactly! Where was Matthews along with the rest of the MSM when all the build-up for the Iraq war was happening. They were even too “chicken” to cover most of the global war protests which attracted millions in so many countries.

I remember I was in the Sao Paulo, Brazil, airport the night Bush was going to announce whether we were going to war or not—I think it was March 20—and everyone there was glued to the airport television monitors. When Bush announced that we were going to invade there was a huge, “oh, no” resounding. I think much of the world was hugely disappointed that Bush was going to take that miliary and pre-emptive strike action.

However, the heavy war drums were beating by the neo-cons, the MSM, and even the Dems. (they didn’t want to look weak on national security). If anyone was against the war, they were “unpatriotic”—labeled by the Bush/Cheney administration and many (influences in Washington, especially) who could have stood up and protested, would be fired or they would be publicly attacked via the news.

Weird times—just as weird as having the Obama administration now! Our government and politics need overhauling and perhaps an “exorcism.”

It is 1.40 after midnight. What I’m watching on the TV, is 9/11, from the start to the end. I’m not a revengeful person, but, no, never I would forget 9/11 and those,almost 3000 people who died. As, my mother used to say, ” You can fogive but never forget”. I don’t forgive and don’t forget. Seeing the arabs (Palestine) and muslims, dancing over our fellow Americans ” body”, how anybody can ever forget. The image of Two Old Center ” Gemeni” will be a vivid image for the rest of my life. Anybody can talk about waterboarding, look what they did,beheaded soldiers, civilians, NY reporter,and we talk about ” torture”. If ours is torture, what about theirs? theirs, is homicide, pur and simple. I would never hate innocent people, just criminals and terrorists.

Scott Ritter

Woman voter. Their were some verbal charges made against Scott Ritter saying he was involved with an underage girl. It appears he was threatened with this information (statutory rape??) and told to shut up or else. We have not seen him since.

The “urgency” was there only because we had finally ran out of time to get out of Saudi Arabia. The Saudis said get out now you were suposed to leave after the gulf war. It has been 10 years. Each time you asked for more time. TIME IS UP GET OUT!! SINCE THE US HAD NO INTENTION OF LEAVING THE MIDDLE EAST FOR “PROTECTION OF OIL SOURCES” WE LOOKED ACROSS THE WAY AND SAID AH HA IRAQ. The lies began then. As a military man Powell should have known that this was not a coincidence and all fitted together. Although I am an AA, he is another one of the people I now despise that at one one time I highly respected.

So whatever Muslim fundamentalists do that justifies anything that Americans do? Is that what you are saying? So we should sink to the lowest savagery that we are supposedly opposed to? They did it first, or they do it too is absolutely no justification for trashing our Constitution and violating international law.

To General Wilkerson,

As a lifelong (and oft-suffering) Democrat, I welcome that sandpaper the real Republicans provided. I certainly didn’t like Bob Taft, at this point I miss him. At least there was some focus on realities instead of ideologies. Please, you, and Colin Powell and Olympia Snow, and others pull something together. Give us Democrats something to work with.

Thanks for your work and honesty

Exactly! Where was Matthews along with the rest of the MSM when all the build-up for the Iraq war was happening. They were even too “chicken” to cover most of the global war protests which attracted millions in so many countries.