RSS Feed for This PostCurrent Article

The CIA’s History Of Bamboozling The Congress

“Let me be clear about this,” CIA director Leon Panetta told his troops last week, “it was not CIA policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values.”

Of course, Panetta is entitled to his opinions, but he cannot create his own facts. And, as a long-time member of the House of Representatives, he surely must know that there is a long and substantiated record of CIA deceit and dissembling to the congressional intelligence committees. Here are some highlights of that record.

In 1973, CIA director Richard Helms deceived the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, refusing to acknowledge the role of the CIA in overthrowing the elected government in Chile. Helms falsely testified that the CIA had not passed money to the opposition movement in Chile, and a grand jury was called to see if Helms should be indicted for perjury.

In 1977, the Justice Department brought a lesser charge against Helms, who pleaded nolo contendere; he was fined $2,000 and given a suspended two-year prison sentence. Helms went from the courthouse to the CIA where he was given a hero’s welcome and a gift of $2,000 to cover the fine. It was one of the saddest experiences in my 24 years at CIA.

In the new Ford administration, Secretary of State Kissinger, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, and White House chief of staff Cheney orchestrated phony intelligence for the Congress in order to get an endorsement for covert arms shipments to anti-government forces in Angola.

The CIA lied to Senator Dick Clark, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who was a critic of the Agency’s illegal collaborations with the government of South Africa against Angola and Mozambique. Agency briefers exaggerated the classification of their materials so that Senate and House members could not publicize this information. Agency shields of secrecy and falsehood were extremely effective.

In the 1980s, CIA director William Casey and his deputy, Bob Gates, consistently lied to the congressional oversight committees about their knowledge of Iran-contra. Senator Daniel Moynihan (D-NY) believed that Casey and Gates were running a disinformation campaign against the Senate intelligence committee. Casey even managed to alienate Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ), a pro-intelligence, conservative senator who typically walked through barbed wire for the CIA.

Gates’ lies on Iran-contra led to the Senate intelligence committee’s unwillingness to vote him out of the committee in 1985, when he was nominated to be CIA director by President Ronald Reagan. Gates was nominated again in 1991 and this time he was confirmed, but not before the hearings produced rhyme and verse on Gates’ tailoring of intelligence to fit the biases of Bill Casey.

Throughout the 1980s and the early 1990s, Aldrich Ames performed as the most destructive traitor in the history of the CIA, but CIA directors Gates, William Webster, and Jim Woolsey failed to inform the congressional oversight committees of the serious counter-intelligence problems that had been created.

In the late 1980s, the CIA concealed from the Congress that Saddam Hussein was diverting U.S. farm credits through an Atlanta bank to pay for nuclear technology and sophisticated weapons. The chairman of the Senate and House intelligence committees, Senator Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ) and Representative Dan Glickman (D-KS) respectively, were furious with the deception tactics of CIA briefers.

The greatest CIA disinformation campaign in the congress took place in 2002-2003, when CIA director George Tenet and his deputy, John McLaughlin, consistently lied about Iraqi training for al Qaeda members on chemical and biological weapons as well as the existence of mobile labs to manufacture such weapons.

Several days before the congressional vote on the authorization to use force, CIA senior analyst Paul Pillar delivered an unclassified memorandum to the Hill with a series of false charges about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Pillar’s memorandum and a national intelligence estimate on the same subject were also used to develop Secretary of State Colin Powell’s address to the United Nations in February 2003.

More recently, Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking minority member of the House intelligence committee, documented the dissembling of the CIA to cover-up the Agency’s involvement in a drug interdiction program in Peru that led to the loss of innocent lives. Hoekstra accused CIA director Tenet with misleading the Congress.

The CIA still has not addressed the serious procedural and institutional problems that were exposed in a report from the Office of the Inspector General on the Peru program, which concluded that Agency officials deliberately misled Congress, the White House, and the Justice Department.

In closing, Panetta emphasized that it was the CIA’s task to “tell it like it is, even if that’s not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.”

If only that were the case in the 1980s, when the CIA hid from the congress the intelligence on the decline of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact or more recently when the CIA tailored intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and Iraqi ties to al Qaeda in order to give the Bush administration an intelligence case to go to war.

Panetta should understand that there was far less dissembling to the congress 35 years ago when the Agency’s Office of General Counsel only had two attorneys, but with the addition of 63 attorneys over the next two decades there was greater politicization of Agency testimony and briefings.

Today there are nearly 200 lawyers with the Office of the General Counsel. Panetta should also understand that it is long past time for him to make sure that the Agency replaces the current acting directors of the Office of the Inspector General and the Office of the General Counsel in order to make sure that the CIA is indeed telling truth to power.

Melvin A. Goodman, a regular contributor to The Public Record, is senior fellow at the Center for International Policy and adjunct professor of government at Johns Hopkins University. He spent 42 years with the CIA, the National War College, and the U.S. Army. His latest book is Failure of Intelligence: The Decline and Fall of the CIA.

  • wbboei

    The question is not whether the CIA has engaged in deceptive practices in the past, but whether they did so in this instance. Also, whether it was wise for someone like Pelosi who is privy to top secret information to attack them in this manner. Pelosi is not the brightest bulb. This foolish woman is doing to them now what the Church Committee did to them post Watergate, and it is only a matter of time before she compromises our security interests. That is what Panetta is reacting to in my opinion.

    • ziggy

      If Pelosi’s statements about the briefings are accurate–and we don’t know for a fact that they aren’t–she’s simply defending herself against an orchestrated barrage of very public accusations made by her political enemies. In the absense of evidence there’s no reason to take Panetta’s statements at face value.

      Bullshit allegations are a dime a dozen these days. Political blovators value useful lies more than they value the truth. They’ll keep rolling the same damned lies out again and again, even when discredited a dozen times, provided the lie can still be used to score points with the uninformed.

      • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

        They’ll keep rolling the same damned lies out again and again, even when discredited a dozen times, provided the lie can still be used to score points with the uninformed.

        Well, for once you’ve hit on something, Zippy. Now if you could only apply the same logic to your False Messiah, That One, and his handlers, who have been doing the same sorts of things for at least the past two years.

    • James Guglielmino

      Assuming that what Pelosi said is true, what is it that you would have had her do? She was attacked by the Republicans in order to help defuse attempts to investigate the issue of torture. How should she have handled it. Also, I’m curious. How do you come to understand that she isn’t the brightest bulb? I would not have asked if you had said that she is CERTAINLY not the most effective Speaker we have ever had, but bright? I’d guess she is brighter than average.

  • donjo

    I wrote something about this a few days ago in a different thread, but the post never made it through the spinning wheel of fortune. I agree that the CIA is generally not to be looked upon as the purveyor of actual truth. Maybe truth according to their wants and desires, but not as to the actual facts and conditions. History shows that most of the lying was done to CYA and pertained to utter failures of some of their cockamamie schemes. Other times they lied to get money or more money to fund their dicey covert ops.

    Much of this is detailed and documented in “Legacy of Ashes” by Tim Weiner. Of course,I don’t know how much of this book is b.s., but generally where there’s smoke there’s fire.

    I’m absolutely certain that there’s good and honest CIA people, but over the years, the leadership has seemed more interested in toppling governments that we didn’t or wouldn’t agree with and in building a power structure than in providing INFO on our so-called enemies. It’s also painfully obvious that Tenent and crew didn’t go out of their way to tell the Bush cabal that they were full of it.

    Discovering and providing important and usable intel is relatively boring; running covert ops no doubt gets the adrenaline flowing a bit more. Whatever the reason, maybe eventually the CIA will come around to doing the job it was designed to do – the collection of information to help the elected leaders make informed decisions. Too often in the past it seems they were the tail wagging the dog.

    Not that it makes lying acceptable, but right now in our history I have trouble believing a word from our “president,” congress people, or the media. What a revoltin’ development this is!

    • Diana L. C.

      And sadly it may not change until all the people are revolting, too!

      (Sorry, taught ninth graders too long–had to spend some time one day trying to explain the ambiguity of the word “revolting” in a context like the sentence above. :-) )

    • NoBamaNoWay

      “Legacy of Ashes” is indeed an excellent book, and as you mentioned, some of it may be b.s. or at least partial truths presented to support a certain agenda, but it was based almost exclusively on declassified CIA documents, and if even half of Weiner’s version is true, the CIA makes the Keystone Cops look competent, and certainly much more honest.

      the bottom line is, it is certainly possible that the CIA didn’t tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to Congress, but i suspect that Congress did not want to know, so they could continue to play their game of having it both ways.

      how is it that millions of average americans knew that BushCo and the CIA were full of sh*t and trying to gin up an excuse for war, but members of congress had no clue? the last 8-10 years just proves that there is barely a single element of the american government that can be trusted any farther than it can be thrown.

      • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

        how is it that millions of average americans knew that BushCo and the CIA were full of sh*t and trying to gin up an excuse for war, but members of congress had no clue? the last 8-10 years just proves that there is barely a single element of the american government that can be trusted any farther than it can be thrown.

        That is an excellent question, nobamanoway. Of course they knew it was ginned up. They (Republicans and Democrats) were just too cowardly to take a stand–any sort of stand, as a minimum. It didn’t help that Bush was the darling of the neocon crowd and could do no wrong and tell no lies (much like That One is the darling of the left-wing loonies).

  • http://! stodgie

    frankly i am sick and tired of this. let’s talk about democrats and particulary nancy pelosi. thanks very much.

    • Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

      You read my mind…..how many days IN A ROW are we going to talk about Dick Cheney?

      And it’s Memorial Day weekend. Could we have some threads honoring our military who lay their lives on the line to protect our country and freedom?

      • HARP

        Ditto

        • Docelder

          Yes, and we are getting Olbermanesque with the plays on the man’s first name. I don’t know how much you can taste of the kool-aid before you become addicted to it.

    • James Guglielmino

      Yeah, when the conversation isn’t about someone you want to lynch, shut it down…I’m enjoying seeing this discussion of the CIA. The question asked above is one *I* asked. IF so many people KNEW that Bush and Cheney were blowing smoke (very dangerous smoke) how’s come Congress had no clue? Good job.

  • robert

    It’s a very impressive laundry list of infractions equalled only by the lack of Congressional oversight on many unrelated issues. Let’s call it even. The question here is whether or not the CIA lied in this instance to the Speaker of the House and if it was judicious of her to imperil national security and the lives of those in the field in such a public manner without explanation. If this doesn’t raise serious questions about her ability to lead, then her recently bungled performance under scrutiny of the press should.

    • Docelder

      Pelosi may believe that the CIA won’t be able to refute her without compromising security. She may feel safe to assert whatever she wants in this belief. She is not fit to be third in line. Then again, Obama stated in a debate with McCain that McCain wouldn’t even follow bin Laden into Pakistan to the cave he was hiding in. McCain said nothing, but both these men already knew we already had people in Pakistan. So, Pelosi and Obama both misuse and flaunt their authority and knowledge. Nether is fit to be fair.

      • FranSC

        We all know Pelosi is capable of hitting below the belt as well as chopping the legs out from under anyone who gets in the way of her agenda – that’s right HER agenda – NOT 0zero’s. He doesn’t have one. She convinced him long ago that her agenda would be his agenda. Until he can get his feet on the ground and finds a reason to cut HER legs out from under her, that’s the way it will be.

        But I did wonder last week when Pelosi went on the war path why she stopped short of bringing up that “the wrong intelligence” about Weapons of Mass Destruction is what catapulted us into Iraq. That is probably the most notorious “lie” of all. What kept her from crossing that line??

        Let me quickly add, however, I would be the last person on earth to defend Pelosi because she is such an insidious operator. She rules the house with an iron fist. Karl Rove said he had been in meetings where the congressional members deferred to her as if she were their 6th grade principal. The reason is money. The same company she hooked B0 up with that raised most of his $750M is the same company she enlisted since 2005 to raise money to recruit and elect a majority of democrats in the US House. One example of that is she went to republican Rep. Michele Bachman’s district during the 2008 campaign and told her constituents that Bachman was a disgrace to the congress. Before she left the district she gave Bachman’s opponent $100,000 for his campaign. That’s why Pelosi is powerful,feared, and they don’t cross her. Pelosi appologize? Resign? Get real!

    • ritamary

      How is Nancy Pelosi imperiling national security? The issue is Bush and Cheney breaking their oath of office to defend the Constitution of the United States. They deceived us and used the CIA to help to convince the American people attacking Iraq was a good idea. Nancy Pelosi is a very small Limbaugh-Cheney sideshow.

      You are so concerned about national security…. Weren’t Cheney, Libby, and Rove endangering national security when they outed Valerie Plame to get back at her husband? Where is your outrage about that? It is special prosecutor time again.

      • http://! stodgie

        ritamary, how is nancy affecting national security? i am dumbfounded that you would even ask that question. the fact that you can’t get to the answer is depressing to say the least.

      • mary

        ritamary

        Right on! Why blame it all on Pelosi? She’s sided with Ozero, got him elected, vilified Hillary cause she knew she’d be no match for her, and she’s got the bucks. Isnt’ this what’ it’s all about anyway?
        It’s that monster Cheney and his idiot boss georgie Dubya Bush that screwed up the country and the world! And not just with false “misinformation”. They were active perpetrators of War Crimes against sovereign nations: Iraq, Afganistan and now the War Monger Obummer’s War in Pakistan displacing 2 million in Swat and killing by the hudnreds women and children! Obummer is Dubya’s face lift!

  • http://! stodgie

    the attacks on the cia and not on congressional oversight leave thinking deflection. why is that needed? huh?

  • Witch Hunts

    This is really sick what Obama has our country doing, not to mention what he is making our country look like.
    Strange as this may seem but I have a feeling the world is laughing their heads off at us…America is doing and fighting over what during wartime.
    Just think of what our enemies are doing with all this at a time when Obama is cutting national security bugets.

    Yes this is probably more than a hand slapping incident, but whose hands do we slap? What is the criteria for being a part of these acts or not being a part.
    How much of our wartime information is this administration going to reveal to the world and our enemies to punish or aquit various people?

    Frankly I think this whole mess is as preposterous as the Salem Witch Hunts or McCarty trails of the 50s. I think Obama was out to totally destroy the previous administration and then realized oppps, there were some high level Dems involved too.

    I am actually beginning to wonder if Obama is just out to just destroy our Country.

    • James Guglielmino

      Well, you would be wrong regarding the rest of the world. The rest of the world is letting out a sigh of relief and there has been an improvement in how it feels about the United States. We are a long, LONG way from regaining what we had BS (before shrub) but Obama has made a beginning. Should you not believe me, I promise you, there are indeed, polls out there. Google is your friend.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    What is all this infighting within the National government and our country going to prove?
    I do believe we are still at war, yet we are putting out for all to see information regarding this war.
    Hey I think even our enemies at looking at what is happening and probably using this information.
    Right now I am trying to figure out what Obama is trying to do to our country.
    We are in far worse shape than we were in any of the Bush year; politically, financialy and security wise. About the only budgets being cut are our military, security and educational budgets.
    .

  • I’m a Linda too

    Of course we are not talking about the CIA reporting it’s every move in the world to Congress and they are not supposed to, we are talking about a specific set of circumstances and them communicating their actions in regards to the War and it’s detainees and captured to Congress.

    I think only a fool would think that the CIA is relaying it’s every action to Congress.

    And I do find it funny that the Democrats put a stop to any investigations in to Pelosi’s claims and have the nerve to call it a political move. Who’s, the CIA for speaking up over Pelosi’s claim, or Pelosi for politicizing what she herself knew?

    If they were confident Pelosi was being truthful that she was not aware of the torturing and that the CIA LIED to her, they would go through with the investigation, especially because they ARE the ones politiczing this and Pelosi felt the need for damage control to hold ANOTHER Press Conf on Friday to say, “I stand by my position that the CIA lied to me, that I did not know about torturing”.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    I just wish our leaders would stop their pissing matches and just do the best interests of our country for a change. None of this finger pointing helps anything. If we want to find out who lied and when, then investigate it or STFU! Otherwise let’s move forward. Obama is POTUS and if he doesn’t like the way things work in the CIA, make some changes and move foreward. Not that I beleive it is an Obama priority, someone should make surveilance on terrorists a priority and Obama should make creating jobs to help the economy a priority. To me this is all a distraction so the deep, devastating Depression that is looming will go unnoticed until it is here, complete with bread and soup lines and tent cities. Stop with the concern over the past administration. If these loonies had wanted to go after Bush/Cheney, they could have done so in 2006. Pelosi didn’t want to. End of story. Now stop the slide to devastation this country is on. Terrorists are not the ones destroying our country right now. Obama et al are destroying it! Wake up folks! Wake up!

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Terriorists will be the ones destroying our country if this doesnt stop…
      America is becoming an open target and a mockery throughout the world due to all of Obama’s antics.

      • politicalidentitycrisis

        Then we agree, Obama et al is our biggest problem to date.

  • HARP

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • http://goif.ru Ferinannnd

    Действительно полезный пост, спасибо.

    • Docelder

      Which reminds me. The old USSR kept us real. Who would have thought that without the USSR to stand against, that we might become the USSA ourselves.

    • lorac

      It says, “This is indeed a useful post, thank you”.

      I’m curious about the people coming to the site from Russian websites. Has NQ been translated into Russian over there? Or, if they’re reading it in English, why do they post responses in Russian….?

      • Docelder

        They are placing links for googles sake. It is just a spam bot. I could actually rant all day about how googgle has changed the Internet.

        • lorac

          I’m feeling slow on the uptake!

          Are you saying, the Russians posting here are doing so because then google will pull up more for them, because their website address in is in their name? In other words, it’s a way to drum up business for their own website, just putting their website address out there as a kind of advertisement, hoping people will wander over….?

          It is true, at least the Russian posts I’ve seen, they’ve all had websites.

          • Docelder

            Just the short version here, but the links aren’t for people at all. Just for google spiders. Google invented an algorithm method that includes “page rank”. The idea is that sites that link to each other are more relevant. The spam bot is just playing google and their “page rank” scheme. Here is a wiki on it.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

            • lorac

              Thanks for the link – whew! I never knew that.

    • Animal Control

      Mr Ferinannnd Tear down this wall

      • http://noquarter foxyladi14

        bring on the bulldozer..

  • SoCalDem

    If San Fran Nan wanted to hold the Bush Administration accountable then why upon becoming Speaker of the House, her first move was to take Impeachment off of the table? She was complicit in the run up to the war and the torture that came about. Now she wants to throw the CIA under the bus, not a very bright move.

    • snosandy

      This has been my question since the Dems took control of Congress.

  • jbjd

    NP has recently admitted that in 09/02, when she was ranking minority member of the House Intelligence Committee, the CIA briefed her that the Bush administration approved waterboarding as a viable means to elicit information from captives. She recently admitted that several months later, in 02/03, when Representative Harman was ranking member of the Committee, Ms. Harman wrote a letter to the CIA eschewing the use of waterboarding. NP claimed recently the reason she failed to put her objections to waterboarding in writing in 02/03, too, was that, as ranking member, this was Ms. Harman’s job.

    Then, following NP’s logic, as ranking member in 09/02, this was her job.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    In the new Ford administration, Secretary of State Kissinger, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, and White House chief of staff Cheney orchestrated phony intelligence for the Congress in order to get an endorsement for covert arms shipments to anti-government forces in Angola.

    [My emphasis]

    Those two miscreants have been boils on the body politic far too long. Rummy’s first tenure as Secretary of Defense was just as sorry as his second and don’t get me started on that other one.

  • IMHO

    The title of this article is comical at best. If you want to talk about the CIA bamboozling Congress then I think it is only right to go further and discuss Congress’s history and common patterns of bamboozling the American people!!

    Pelosi is one of the biggest bamboozlers I’ve seen. However, Obama got her beat!

    Nancy Pelosi got herself in a mess and now we see many democrats and apparently some writers of No Quarters willing to attempt to damage those that are in charge of keeping this country safe instead of seeing the situation for what it is! One post stated that this site is becoming “Olbermanesque” and I TOTALLY agree!

    Nancy Pelosi’s weak effort to switch the blame to the CIA for her own inconsistencies and dems attempt to try to back her up by beating up the CIA will prove to be a bad strategy that will surely backfire!!

    I’ve come to expect more from No Quarters!

    • ConfusedAmerican

      TY IMHO

    • http://! stodgie

      i agree imho. i have been thinking about this today. i left huffpro because they turned partisan. i left daily kos and talk left for the same reasons. i have no problem with questioning the government departments and holding them accountable. however at the present time the dims are trying to do this due to partisan politics. if we learned anything from the past election WE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED THAT THE DIMS ARE AS PARTISAN AND AS MEAN SPIRITED AS THE REPUBS IN THEIR PRIME. so don’t expect me to clap and whistle with the gullible. i step back now and ask what ARE the dim’s reasons and nothing good comes up. this kicking the cia right now because comrade pelosi said so COMPLETELY DISGUSTS ME!

  • DAVE

    I don’t think it would be hard to convince Pelosi that she is still a virgin, after all she is an idiot. When asked how far she went in school, she replied , “about three blocks”.

  • donjo

    On the whole, this is the most incompetent, gullible, and dishonest group of congresspeople ever.

    • Docelder

      Yes, the don’t even feel the need to have the appearance of propriety. They don’t read the bills beforehand now so they can say they didn’t know what was in them later. We used to think the present button was insincere. This is way worse beyond that. They have votes to cast, and those votes are like gold… no way are they going to give them for nothing. I don’t know why people are picking on Blago when he is no different than any of the rest of politicians.

      • PainKillerJayne

        There is nothing so URGENT that a bill should not be read and passed without some debate. If the folks who were elected don’t want to do their jobs and read what they are voting on…..well it is time for them to leave.

        • http://! stodgie

          jayne, you reflect my feelings also in your post. thanks.

  • Retired

    Goodman spent 42 years in an organization which he says is not to be trusted. One wonders to what extent Goodman himself can be trusted. Or does he fancy himself the single honest man in an organization of liars? Why would an honest man spend his life in an organization of liars?

    • Retired

      Actually, I need to correct the above. According to Goodman, he actually spent 24 years at CIA. The other years were spent elsewhere in government. Still, a quarter of a century is a long time to spend with such a corrupt pack of liars and not be tainted. Personally, if I found myself in that situation (and I have, actually), I would’ve left.

    • mary

      Retired

      Millions of honest men and women work for corrupt organizations, governments and invividuals. Working 42 years for the CIA and being honest is not an oxymoron for God’s sake! Bush and Cheney were War Criminals. Should one denounce one’s American citizenship for this? Financial institutions defrauded millions of their consumers of services and financiers developed phony credit default swaps,etc. We still bank with these creeps, don’t we? What’s your point? Mel Goodman’s a good honest man. And thank God he is speaking his mind. No doubt he has tried in the past. And no doubt the CIA was all the better for Mel being there than without him…
      THANKS, MEL!

      • Retired

        When one accuses an organization of lying, one accuses all those who work within it–unless the distinction of individual liarship is made by the accuser. Otherwise, how are we to know which persons in the CIA are liars and which are not? Naming the names of the liars is the only solution to this, for both Pelosi as well as Goodman. Otherwise, the accusation made by both stands: The CIA organizationally is dishonest, without distinction of the persons who work within it. OK, Goodman and Pelosi: Either name the names of individual liars or live with the consequences of nonspecific actusations on your own individual reputations. For Pelosi, a legislator accustomed to lack of individual accountability, I am not surprised at her willingness to accept such inaccuracy. For Goodman, who fancies himself a professional intelligence analyst, such inaccuracy is unacceptable. When he taints the organization that he worked for, he taints himself.

  • TeakwoodKite

    In the example Goodman sites, it stikes me as him siting poor leadership…

    No?

    Why would an honest man spend his life in an organization of liars?

    That is a darn good question no specific to the CIA… food for thought.

    Thanks.

    • ziggy

      Why would an honest man spend his life in an organization of liars?

      I’m afraid it’s getting increasingly difficult to find any large organization without routine liars these days. Much lip service is paid to the value of honesty, but too much of the real thing is considered dangerous. We often lie to ourselves about the reality of that situation.

  • NomNomNom

    Cannonfire has a picture of the CIA’s documentation of the meeting and it shows only Pelosi and Goss listed, NOT Shelby. And Goss apparently is not willing to directly contradict Pelosi.
    I didn’t start off thinking so, but I’m beginning to think that Pelosi is telling the truth.
    http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/
    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/21/goss-wont-confirm-cia/

    • Docelder

      Here’s to her shovel. May she wield it with great fervor and may she dig halfway to China. May she take some of her flying monkeys along with her when she goes. It will be a great day for Americans.

      • socalannie

        ROFL!

    • Retired

      Well, it’s pretty simple. Let’s just declassify and release the briefings unredacted. Then we can all draw our own conclusions. Is anyone against this?

      • NomNomNom

        Nope that would be perfect

    • http://! stodgie

      i’ll believe pelosi when i see definite proof sitting in front of me. till then heck no!

  • postmaster

    Let’s see, by pointing out that the CIA and all of it’s employees are liars, that makes Pelosi less of one? Did I get that right?

  • tillthen

    Oh brother! Mel Goodman, why don’t we just raid the CIA and force them into the cellar and shoot them all dead, ala the execution of the Romanovs…and then blow up all the buildings in Langley. We could then totally rely on the charms and negotiating skills, bowing and all, of the Barko, to handle all international problems. Would that satisfy you?

    Who cares if they lied to Congress? I don’t. The Congress is a cesspool of self-adorned, self-anointed, narcissistic, pampered shit-heads, and ARE; and let’s see, they have an approval rating comparable to David Duke. I’d rather have the CIA make independent decisions on the protection and future of this country, than shits like Pelosi, Frank and Reid, who consistently vote their party before the country. Did the CIA invent ACORN? The Fairness Doctrine? The stupid fucking tax code? The endless check-writing for studies, projects, which have no bearing on the future of our country, and many of which go to foreign sources?

  • tillthen

    …ARE THEY NOT ALL LAWYERS;

  • http://! stodgie

    balance the good works of congress against the cia, i’ll go with the cia anytime. congress better start looking after their own wrong doing and get off the arse of america. the people of the usa are sick of their bull.

  • Wisewoman

    My personal opinion only is that the CIA personnel work hard to help the country gather intelligence and sometimes they make mistakes. It seems the real problem is with the political appointees who head the organization. Notice, in the history of the organization they very seldom promote people who have been in the organization for years and who are competent to lead it (e.g. Larry Johnson, Goodman, etc.). Instead the political appointees carry out the agenda of the president and they use the CIA for their own purposes. Pelosi should “out” those *ss holes not the people who try to carry out their lying schemes. It is up to the congress to hold these political appointees feet to the fire. Pelosi was derelict in that duly. Now she tries to smear the whole organization for political points. She disgusts me!

    • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

      Instead the political appointees carry out the agenda of the president and they use the CIA for their own purposes… Pelosi was derelict in that duly. Now she tries to smear the whole organization for political points. She disgusts me!

      You are spot on Wisewoman about both the appointees and that miserable Pelosi. I’m hoping that Panetta is the exception as CIA chief but I won’t hold my breath.

  • Doc99

    Pelosi v CIA

    pajamasmedia.com/blog/pelosis-lies-roil-dem-establishment/

    Either someone’s lying or they all are.

    • Andy

      They all are…and at the expense of the American people. So the American people should wake up: we know better. Read and vote with eyes wide open…

  • http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com/ Al

    Nancy lied. Now she’s covering her butt by insinuating that the CIA has a history of lying.