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You Blew Them Away, Hillary! [Important UPDATE]

UPDATE: With 93% of the vote in, Hillary is giving Barack an unprecedented ass whupping–She has 67% to his 26%. That is a gap of 41%.

JERALYN AT TALKLEFT: “There is No Nominee: On To The Five Remaining Primaries.”

HALPERIN:
With 57% of precincts reporting: Clinton 66%, Obama 27%. Get latest totals here.

anntaintor.jpgVery Important UPDATE: WEST VIRGINIA: WE LOVE YOU! THANK YOU! YOU REALLY DID IT! WE OWE YOU! Help us keep fighting so that loser Obama doesn’t get the nomination and carry us to an embarrassing, catastrophic defeat in November.

WE KNOW that HILLARY can WIN in November. He cannot.

And we ARE keeping score, and will not let the New York Times and NewsWEAK tell us who the nominee must be!

Wolfson v. Brazile!

HILLARY’s SPEECH TONIGHT:

Hillary Clinton delivered the following remarks at a victory celebration in Charleston, WV tonight:

Thank you, West Virginia.

You know, like the song says: “it’s almost heaven,” and I am so grateful for this overwhelming vote of confidence.

There are some who have wanted to cut this race short. They say “give up, it’s too hard, the mountain is too high,” but here in West Virginia, you know a thing or two about rough roads to the top of the mountain. We know from the Bible that faith can move mountains and, my friends, the faith of the Mountain State has moved me. I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard.

I want to commend Senator Obama and his supporters. This continues to be a hard-fought race, from one end of our country to the other. And yes, we’ve had a few dust-ups along the way, but our commitment to bring America new leadership that will renew America’s promise means that we have always stood together on what is most important.

Now, tonight I need your help to continue this journey. We are in the homestretch. There are only three weeks left in the final contests, and your support can make the difference between winning and losing. So I hope you’ll go to HillaryClinton.com and support our campaign.

You’ve heard this before – there are many who wanted to declare a nominee before the ballots were counted or even cast. Some said our campaign was over after Iowa, but then we won New Hampshire. Then we had big victories on Super Tuesday and in Ohio and Texas and Pennsylvania, and of course, we came from behind to win in Indiana.

So, this race isn’t over yet. Neither of us has the total delegates it takes to win and both Senator Obama and I believe that the delegates from Florida and Michigan should be seated. I believe we should honor the votes cast by 2.3 million people in those states and seat all of their delegates. Under the rules of our party, when you include all 50 states, the number of delegates needed to win is 2,209, and neither of us has reached that threshold yet. This win in West Virginia will help me move even closer.

Now, in a campaign, it can be easy to get lost in the political spin and the polls or the punditry, but we must never lose sight of what really counts, of why all of us care so much about who wins and who loses in our political system. An enormous decision falls on the shoulders of Democratic voters in these final contests and those Democrats empowered to vote at our convention. And tonight, in light of our overwhelming victory here in West Virginia, I want to send a message to everyone still making up their mind.

I am in this race because I believe I am the strongest candidate – the strongest candidate to lead our party in November of 2008 and the strongest president to lead our nation starting in January of 2009. I can win this nomination if you decide I should, and I can lead this party to victory in the general election if you lead me to victory now.

The choice falls to all of you, and I don’t envy you. I deeply admire Senator Obama, but I believe our case, a case West Virginia has helped to make, our case is stronger. Together, we have won millions and millions of votes – by the time tonight is over, probably 17 million, close to it. We’ve won them in states that we must be prepared and ready to win in November – Pennsylvania and Ohio, Arkansas and New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, Michigan, Florida, and now West Virginia. It is a fact that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia.

The bottom line is this – the White House is one in the swing states and I am winning the swing states. And we have done it by standing up for the deepest principles of our party with a vision for an America that rewards hard work again, that values the middle class and helps to make it stronger.

With your help, I am ready to go head-to-head with John McCain to put our vision for America up against the one he shares with President Bush. Now, I believe our party is strong enough for this challenge. I am strong enough for it. You know I never give up. I’ll keep coming back, and I’ll stand with you as long as you stand with me.

Together, we will draw the stark distinctions that will determine the future direction of our nation, the difference between ending the war in Iraq responsibly or continuing it indefinitely, between health care for everyone and more uninsured Americans, between standing up for the middle-class families that you represent or standing up for the corporate special interests.

So, I ask you, Democrats, to choose who you believe will make the strongest candidate in the fall and who is ready to execute the office of the presidency of the United States.

People ask me all the time, why am I in this race. Well, I’m in it because of the people that I have worked for my entire life and the people I meet along the campaign trail, people who need someone who fights for them because they’re fighting so hard every single day, the people who drive for miles to show their support, who come with the home-made sign, who raise money by skipping those dinners out, who have stood fast and stood strong. I’m in this race for the millions of Americans who know that we can do better in our country, for the nurse on her second shift, for the worker on the line, for the waitress on her feet, for the small business owner, the farmer, the teacher, the coal miner, the trucker, the soldier, the veteran, the college student.

All of the hardworking men and women who defy the odds to build a better life for themselves and their children. You will never be counted out, and I won’t either. You will never quit, and I won’t, either.

The question is, why do so many people keep voting? Why did 64% of Democrats say in a recent poll they wanted this race to continue? Because in the face of the pundits and the naysayers, they know what is at stake. They know that we have two wars, an economy in crisis on the brink of a recession, $9 trillion of debt, oil prices shooting through the roof, gas prices and grocery prices hurting people who desperately are looking for a way to just keep going day to day. They know they need a champion. They need someone who’s going to never stop fighting for health care that covers everyone, no exceptions, for an economy that lifts everyone up, for good jobs that won’t be shipped overseas, for college affordability, for all that you can do to own a home and then to keep it.

This election is fundamentally about whether or not the American dream remains alive and well, for our children and our grandchildren. This is the core of my life and my political beliefs: that we owe so much to future generations, that we do not want to see that dream recede, that we know people have to work hard, and we expect you to do just that and to take responsibility, but at the very least, you should have a President who is on your side again.

And I believe that this campaign has been good for the Democratic Party and good for our country. People are discussing and debating issues. They are turning out in record numbers to register and to vote. There is an excitement about politics that is the lifeblood of our democracy.

For me, this election isn’t about who’s in or who’s out or who’s up or who’s down. It’s about the common threads that tie us together – rich and poor, young and old, black and white, Latino and Asian, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. We are united by common values. We all want a better world for our children, and we want the best for our country. And we are committed to putting a Democrat back in the White House.

And our nominee – our nominee will be stronger for having campaigned long and hard, building enthusiasm and excitement, hearing your stories and answering your questions. And I will work my heart out for the nominee of the Democratic Party to make sure we have a Democratic President.

As we look at the stakes in this election, I think we can all agree it’s been unprecedented. We haven’t had an election like it for as long as anyone can remember. It is still so close and it really does depend upon those who will vote in these next contests and those who have the awesome responsibility as delegates of our great Democratic Party.

I’m asking that people think hard about where we are in this election, about how we will win in November, because this is not an abstract exercise. This is for a solemn, crucial purpose: to elect a president to turn our country around, to meet the challenges we face and seize the opportunities. It has been a long campaign, but it is just an instant in time when compared with the lasting consequences of the choice we will make in November. That is why I am carrying on, and if you give me a chance, Democrats, I’ll come back to West Virginia in the general election and we’ll win this state and we’ll win the White House.

I am honored and grateful for the support and hospitality of the people of West Virginia. I spent a few minutes with your wonderful national treasure, Senator Byrd, this morning and we talked about his beloved West Virginia. I told him where I’d gone and what I’d seen. I talked about the people I had met. And he just broke into the biggest smile. I don’t know that any man has ever loved a state more than Robert C. Byrd loves West Virginia.

I am grateful for the graciousness of Governor and Mrs. Manchin. Governor Manchin is winning a great victory himself tonight, and I want to thank Joe and Gayle for welcoming me to Governor Manchin’s hometown as we went to Fairmont for a great election last night. I want to thank Senate Majority Leader Truman Chafin, former Governor Hulett Smith, Brigadier General Jack Yeager, all of the West Virginia veterans who honored me by their support and I honor their service.

Thanks to my friends in the labor unions who stood with us every step of the way, we wouldn’t be here without you. And a special thanks to my outstanding staff, volunteers and supporters here in West Virginia and across America.

At least once, usually a half a dozen times a day, Bill and Chelsea and I check in with each other and I wish every West Virginian could have heard our calls as we compared our experiences here in this state. We’ve had the best time.

And I will be back. As we move on now to the next contests, in Kentucky and Oregon, in Puerto Rico, in Montana and South Dakota, tonight I’m thinking about Florence Steen from South Dakota, eighty-eight years old and in failing health when she asked that her daughter bring an absentee ballot to her hospice bedside. Florence was born before women had the right to vote, and she was determined to exercise that right, to cast a ballot for her candidate who just happened to be a woman running for president. Florence passed on a few days ago, but I am eternally grateful to her and her family for making this such an important and incredible milestone in her life that means so much to me. I’m also thinking of Dalton Hatfield, an 11-year-old boy from Kentucky, who sold his bike and sold his video games to raise money to support my campaign.

This is a great and good nation because of people like Florence Steen, Dalton Hatfield, and their families. Her memory and his future are worth fighting for. As long as we remember that there is no challenge we cannot meet, no barrier we cannot break, no dream we cannot realize. So, let’s finish the job we started. America is worth fighting for.

Thank you and God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all so very much.

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  • Pandora

    First??

    Was there any other primary in which margin was that large in either candidates favor?

  • Deidre

    THAT’S 37% BY THIS TIME OF NIGHT WOLFSON!!!!!!!!!!

  • Justin in Boston

    I am lighting a candle and chanting for 40% margin. That would be spectacular.

  • Deidre

    IT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT IN ARKANSAS FOR HILLARY, I BELIEVE 68%. OBAMA HAS WON A FEW TIMES BYLARGE MARGINS- KANSAS, ALASKA AND A THREE OTHERS BUT NO WHERE NEAR THIS SPREAD TONIGHT.

  • http://truthteller2007.mydd.com/ Truthteller

    She will beat him by at least 100,000 votes tonight.

  • TimRussertIsATwit!!

    Hillary will be LEADING THE POPULAR VOTE after tonight if you count Florida and Michigan!!!

  • Sj

    McCain numbers are even looking better than Obama’s, McCain is polling almost as much as Obama, wonder what the Obama’s camp take on this will be, guess Obama is still not campaign against McCain, or they will say it’s all Hillary’s fault

  • mjc

    wow, what a margin! incredible. so when will the dnc and SD’s wake up and see we have a candidate who can basically put a lock on the presidency in november??

    nah, lets take a chance on that cute new boy! he says he’ll make our dreams come true! barf!

    GO HILLARY!

  • JoeySky

    It’s gonna be a clean sweep for HRC. She will win every county.

  • pm317

    Could somebody get the video of Greta and Rove tonight. He made 4 concise points why Hillary is the stronger candidate in GE. His bottomline was that Obama had failed to win the bread and butter democrats, he racked up delegates in caucuses in red states with students — so not much of it translates to strength in the GE. Overall he is the weaker candidate as seen tonight in WVa.

  • Sj

    I hope McCain go past Obama’s numbers that would be so funny, that would really make my night, he could not even poll more than McCain

  • barbh

    What I find truly mind boggling is why doesn’t any one point out that other states moved up the date of their primaries, against the rulz, but were not penalized in any way. South Carolina being one of the states, why doesn’t anyone on the Teebee point this out…??? Ever, just once, I would like for someone to point this out and expose this travesty of “the rulz” for what it is a sack of crap…

  • Newport News Dem

    A media anointed winner is pulling just 27% of the vote.

    Wake up unpledged delegates!!!! THis guy is the candidate of the AA and latte liberal community, the same coalition hat gave us McGovern and Dukakis.

    On the other hand, with the MS special election results proving the toxic name brand of the gop, McGovern and Dukakis just might win in 2008!

  • pm317

    And all those wins for him was before Wright. NC is the post-Wright election for him and we all saw how well he did.

  • karen for Clinton

    How much you wanna bet the media will be saying “too little too late” again.

    They’ve been wrong for the whole year about everything, and she said so loud and clear.

    Time to suck up media hogs and treat your next president like the lady she is!

  • Charles Lemos

    Florence Ann Steen

    The story of Florence Steen in Hillary’s speech tonight has me in tears. I’ve looked more into the story and found her obituary and a guestbook for condolences. Please take a moment to express our sympathies:

    Florence Ann Steen.

  • http://www.liberalrapture.com/ John Smart

    As a die hard USC fan I always enjoy kicking back and watching a huge blow out.
    Hillary is giving me great satisfaction tonight. I saw Rove and Greta. Rove said Obama looked like a “sore loser” tonight.

    He sure did. Speaking haltingly to about 30 students.

  • street_parade

    You know, I will never forgive the Democratic party if they do not nominate Hillary. We can win this thing in November…all we have to do is have the will to win it. SHE CAN DO IT. HE DOES NOT STAND A CHANCE.

    This is a progressive, liberal Democrat who can win the White House….she could have very long coattails. She can win EVERY state that Kerry won (except NH — NH will go McCain) and pick-up NM and NV (because of Latinos & Latinas) and bring home BEAUTIFUL WV and the big prize of Ohio (and maybe even Florida).

    States like California and New Jersey and even Massachusetts (MASSACHUSETTS!) are in play if BO is the nominee. If the nominee is HRC we’ll be hearing crickets out here in CA. She will crush McCain in all 3 of these must-have states.

    What is WRONG with the Democratic party?? The goal here is to win in November — there is NO OTHER GOAL.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    And why again was that?

  • http://deleted AnninCA

    The rules are the rules. Jeesh*, Donna…..nobody’s believing that line anymore.

  • cc

    exactly, why aren’t they being penalized?…I read somewhere there were three states that did that..sc, even iowa and another state as well, just can’t remember the name.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Hillary is steel. she couldn’t care less what they say. Drives em nuts. They are sure giving her respect tonight I tell you. They can’t pull one good exist statistic out of their butts for Barky.

  • ginaswo

    Let’s give for our ‘girl’!!!

    Contribution Details
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    RIGHT ON HILLARY!!!
    THANK YOU W VA!!
    ALL THE WAY TO DENVER AND THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

    HILLYEAH!!!
    BOOYAH!!!

  • cc

    Greta said “She CLOBBERED HIM!”

  • Sj

    Voting should not stop Santa Clause from doing his work according to Donna …. great Donna must of been sniffing to many pine cones.

  • cc

    RIGHT and did you see how she was shaking her head no to everything wolfson was saying. She was virtually cringing! DB totally wants to kick HRC to the curb. she’s a witch!

  • street_parade

    You know I despise Rove in more ways than I can count. But the man knows how to win elections and unlike some of our Democratic ‘leaders’ he WANTS TO WIN. I think some of the Dean/Brazile/Pelosi/Reid crowd should take some F#@KING lessons from the man on how to fight and win! HRC sure as shootin’ knows how to fight and win, BO looks like he might faint at anytime — and they want to nominate him? Sheesh!

  • Karma

    The Clintons….who have given us peace and prosperity for hundreds of millions of citizens.

    Verses

    The Obamas….who have given us lies, division, and prosperity for the few….at the expense of those same citizens.

    The choice is clear…….experience over rhetoric.

  • http://deleted AnninCA

    I don’t mind that she’s partisan to Obama. What I mind is that she represents the DNC as though she is neutral.

    Now, that is so not OK.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Rules Before Rights!

  • SueB.

    New Hampshire.
    All of those states should only have 1/2 of their delegates seated…PER THE RULES! Also, campaigning in FL disqualifies one from being awarded ANY delegates. MI cannot award votes to a candidate that was NOT on the ballot.
    I wish more people would actually READ the rules.
    sigh….

  • josmt

    Great win, so proud of Hillary, a fighter and a winner.

    btw,

    Please go to CNN.com and vote:

    Which Democratic candidate would fare better against Sen. John McCain in November?

  • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ Pagan Power

    Thanks so much for posting her speech. It meant so much to me.

    Looking over at CNN Hillary is winning in every single county except 3 where NO results have been posted yet. This is a resounding victory. Immense in fact. I am so completely impressed and pumped up.

    You hear that girly man Barack?

    We Are Here to Pump You Up!

  • CHRIS

    I have NEVER seen the front runner of the party lose a primary in the final stage of the primary session by this huge margin.

    Actually i don’t ever recall a front runner losing any late contest in any previous primary sessions. Even Carter won those late primaries when he was contested by Ted Kennedy in 1980

    The Obama campaign can spin this defeat anyway they want (actually they began calling West Virginians a bunch of racists hicks), it does not erase the fact that Obama is failing miserably at uniting the party behind him.

    If he cannot unite the Democratic Party this last in the primary session, how will he unite the country.

  • http://deleted AnninCA

    None of the news media sites has this right. Popular vote should always include MI and FL. The delegate count is different.

    And the fact that nobody can figure this out makes me nuts. LOL*

    Good golly! I’m not that mathematical, and this just ain’t hard!

  • alexei

    Childers ran away from Obama. He is a nominal Dem – he had the same positions as his opponent.

  • cc

    thank you Sue B!…I love how Donna’s rules keep changing on her whim.

  • SensibleWoman

    AR results on 2/5/08 were:

    Hillary – 70%

    Obama – 26%

    Edwards – 2%

  • http://deleted AnninCA

    It’s going to be negotiated, obviously.

  • Patrick Henry

    Yes…and She Looked great Doing it…

    What a Classy Lady…Inspirational…Powerful…She is a role Model for everyone in America..No matter the Gender or Race..Color or Creed..or Age..

    Her Life and Actions are what the American dream and american Spirit are all about..and She Loves doing what she can to help the American People..ALL of Us..

    Thats What Drives Her and Gives her Energy..She is Truely Dedicated…NOT just going through them Motions like Obama and McCain..She has worn them down..She is showing Leadership and Command..

    She Really INSPIRES ..If the Spirit of 76 Lives in anyone in America today..It Lives in Hillary Clinton…Our Next president of the United States of America..

  • Dee

    Please Please Please

    Sign up and donate to Hillary’s campaign.

    Her campaign owes 20 million, and if all the people who say support her helped, she wouldn’t have to put 10 million of her own money in the campaign.

    We can’t let Hillary carry this huge burden. Please spread the word and pitch in.

  • typical.white.person

    Those damn typical white people. They screw it up every time for The Messiah.

  • HARP

    The FIX was in by the DNC from the beginning.

  • J in Mn

    Check out Donna Brazile’s e-mail on taylor marsh’s e-mail about “vile” HRC supporters lol

  • Strawberrybitch

    Hmmmmmm. The site seems interestingly devoid of trolls, tonight…not that I’m complaining.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    I swear I am sober, but I just want to say that I find Howard Wolfson incredibly sexy and cannot for the life of me figure out those dopey female journalists going ga-ga over O’Bambi in his jeans.

  • Ulahane

    And now by ABC’s count she is ahead in the popular vote (MI and FL included)! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Karma

    Exactly, those are certified votes within their counties and states, stripping those votes is shameful. Nevermind the fact, they are only supposed to strip half the delegates not all of them. Both issues, as with most of his talking points, are false political ground for the Obama campaign.

    I will never support a man who must repeatedly subvert democracy in order to win.

  • William Sprus

    Obama can not win the general election! The blue collar middle American worker doesn’t trust him or his life style! I called over 300 people in West Virginia today and they told me they don’t like him or his Pastor Wright! He can’t connect to them or their problems!

  • Denise-Mary

    Am posting this very late Seattle time. Sure looks to me like WV put Hillary over the top in the popular vote WITHOUT even counting MI and FL. People, Obama thinks he’s got OR all wrapped up. Let’s prove him wrong. If you go to Clinton’s web site, you can volunteer to make phone calls to OR voters before that primary – won’t cost you a dime on your own phone bill. I read last weekend that Obama people were calling WV voters and telling them NOT TO VOTE because Obama already had the nomination. Let’s beat them at their own game for the OR primary.

  • Mel

    Eww a double gross Susan…..lol

  • CHRIS

    As a fellow proud supporter of Hillary, i can tell you that you must a bit drunk.

    Actually my wife thinks that James Carville sexy, which i don’t understand because the man looks like Tortoise.

  • Newport News Dem

    Just lapped him…..

    172,882 to 69,885 with 73% repoting

  • Denise-Mary

    Laughed out loud at that! And yes, I noticed it too. Strayed over here from SavagePolitics.com – nice to “see” some of the same people who post over there as well.

  • Mel

    See Obama campaign in Missouri today, the crowd is bored completely! Not even watching him!

    Is Obama’s charm and story gone bye bye?

  • Mel

    Obama just dropped to 26%

  • quarterhorse

    karma coming home to roost on ohummer’s ass….ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!! white people clinging to their guns and religion, hicks ! god, this is sweet.

  • scott

    No one in the MSM has even read the rules regarding this. Its so obvious. They take what ever Donna makes up along with the Obama campaign as fact and it is not.
    I can post the rules again if you want.

    And its three other states IA NH SC

  • blobert

    Wonder how how the “NY Slimes” will spin
    this great victory against her.

  • ruhla

    yea, he is kinda cute!, and I’m gay. Go Hillary!!!, but I’m not sober – 1/2 bottle of Cabernet in honor of my girl. I can’t believe how Bama put his leg up for the girls. Michelle’s gonna be whackin’ him up the head. Stuff’s coming out on the Bomster. Hillary will be the nominee. Oh here’s Nightline. Of course, they don’t start about W. Va., cuz Barry didn’t do so hot.

  • scott

    John I enjoyed his speech as did the 20 other people there including the 7 kids in the background daydreaming about being at Hillarys rally in WV.

  • Max

    Here’s the video of Rove and Greta:

    http://tinyurl.com/3hgowc

    He points out that Obama has won in red states like, for instance, Idaho. Idaho had roughly 20,000 caucus goers and will send 18 delegates to Denver. That’s compared to New Hampshire’s 22 delegates chosen by over 300,000 voters.

  • CHRIS

    I did my duty tonight and i just donated to Hillary Clinton.

    Please go to:
    https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/may13.html

    And please donate whatever you can.

    We cannot let her lose because of lack of funds. That would like my favorite football team loses the Super Bowl because they did not have the money to buy helmets.

  • jwrjr

    The MSM is already saying: ‘Clinton won big. It doesn’t matter. Clinton should quit.’ Disgusting.

  • blobert

    For sheer sadistic fun, I watched Tweety,and K.O. and Russert Potato toward the end of the bloodlet.

    Their 3 ugly faces were ashen.
    They kept scrounging for ways to scorn her, but they were all in humiliating pain.

    Matthews tore into Terry McAuliffe for no reason. Matthews kept screaming and denying that he wanted to see the primary end.
    After 5 minutes of his tantrum, Terry reminded him that day after day, Matthews kept asking why Hillary would not get out.
    Matthews kept screaming, then caught himself and tried to pretend he was only kidding.

    SOUR GRAPES give Tweety colic?

  • Judith

    Susan, Thanks for transcribing Hillary’s speech…I didn’t get to listen to her. I did just see a replay of Miss B and the face she was making while Howard was talking. What’s up with that? There is no way she is impartial. I fear she will do everything in her power to make sure that MI and FL delegates are not seated. She sounded more interested in hearing out the people opposed to it.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    What is this!??? You men just don’t get it. Wolfson is totally sexy! obama is — ewww — like effete and neutered (probably by Michelle).

  • blobert

    giggle

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    OH god really?! I haven’t watched MSNBO. We need to get the video of that.

  • SueB.

    I read the Rules. Downloaded them from the DNC site. I don’t think Donna has read the rules lately. Geez, and she’s ON the dang Rules Committee. :(

  • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ Pagan Power

    I just checked the results at CNN and she is WINNING in EVERY SINGLE COUNTY IN WEST VIRGINIA.

    Shout intended.

  • pm317

    SDs should watch this! send the link far and wide. I am not going to apologize for Rove — we’ll take what makes sense from anywhere we can.

  • TimRussertIsATwit!!!

    She’s up 67% to 26% now! 40 point blowout!

  • fred

    12.05p.m est. popular vote with Fl and MI
    Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**
    Obama 16,668,051
    Clinton 16,671,990 Clinton +3,939 +0.01%
    No more not counting Florida

  • Mr.Murder

    LEAVE TWEETY ALONE! You Bastards!
    (/youtube)

    The W.O.R.M. has turned.

  • Max

    I caught just a little bit of MSNBC tonight. Enough to see Tim Russert claim he’d never heard anyone call for Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race.

  • No Fraudz

    I just could not read the whole speech…I had to keep wiping away the tears of ….joy…….
    and…. empathy for the pure class shown by the Commander-in-Chief in-waiting!

    I’ll have to come back to it when I get a grip on myself.

    The resilience, fortitude and authenticity of the Lady, is an endearing lesson to us all.

    I “HOPE” that voters throughout the remaining states, find their ‘selfish’ streak and vote in their own interest and that of their children.

    The country needs and deserves it!

    Hillary also deserves very kind, loving and protective thoughts to help cushion her for the rest of this journey.

    I’m commited to do what I can.

  • Patrick Henry

    That was Great No Fraudz…Thanks for Sharing..I feel the same way..

  • scott

    I know I’ve posted this befor but it’s worth posting again.

    This whole mess surrounding the state delegations from Florida and Michigan is a result of the Rules & Bylaws Committee of the Democratic National Committee not strictly adhering to the 2008 Delegate Selection Rules for the Democratic National Convention by applying the rules equally and fairly to all states.

    Rule 11.A. of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention states the following:
    11. TIMING OF THE DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS
    A. No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.

    We already know that Florida and Michigan violated Rule 11.A. by moving their primaries to a date before the first Tuesday in February. There is no argument there, but what about Iowa, New Hampshire, and yes, South Carolina too.

    Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as “no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February” (Iowa), “no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February” (New Hampshire), and “no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February” (South Carolina).
    Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That’s more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That’s more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February. And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That’s more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.

    Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the Democratic National Committee’s Delegate Selection Rules, and as such, all five states should have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.

    Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state’s delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state’s delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.

    Yes, you read that right; under Rule 20.C.1.a., Florida, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, and South Carolina would have all lost their super delegates and had their pledged delegates reduced by half since they all violated Rule 11.A.

    However, Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina weren’t punished fairly. In fact, they weren’t punished at all.
    And what about Florida & Michigan?
    Well, we all know what happened to them.

    Instead of strictly adhering to Rule 20.C.1.a. and reducing their pledged delegates by 50%, the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee decided to take it a step further. The DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee exercised the authority granted to them by Rules 20.C.5. and 20.C.6. which allowed them to “impose sanctions the Committee deems appropriate.” And what were those sanctions the Committee deemed appropriate? Stripping two of the largest states in the union of all their votes at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

    This is what happens when the rules aren’t applied equally and fairly. And as I said before, this mess is a result of the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee not applying the rules equally and fairly.
    So, the next time someone starts talking about the rules, might I suggest two courses of action:

    1.) Read the damn rules first!
    -and-
    2.) Let them know that the rules were bent to allow for Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina to keep their preferred first-in-the-nation status.

    No where that I can find is the popular vote subject to these rules. The rules only affect the delegates.

  • Mr.Murder

    All Hillary has to do for Oregon is remind voters there that the GOP stopped counting votes in the Washington primary to make certain McCain could put off a late comeback by Ron Paul.

    Obama wants to stop Hillary’s comeback by stopping votes from two major states, their being counted as were cast.

    That’s his idea of new politics, taking the low road and stopping voters from being heard. It’s how he won his first ever office.

  • jes

    Hey, wasn’t it fun when McCauliffe told Matthews that it wasn’t Matthews (or nay pundits) right to to decide when Hillary’s campaign was finished? That it was the voters decision? The look on Matthews face was priceless.

  • Judith

    I agree. I think he looks and sounds so distinguished. He’s very handsome. So is Terry McAuliffe…and eternally optimistic.

  • Mel

    It is all about the math now, ok, after they do the real count of Fla and mich, a total of 370 delegates there, 210 Fla and 160 Mich. Fla went 51% Clinton, 34% Obama and 15% Edwards. Easy breakdown, 106 Clinton, 70 Obama, 35 Edwards delegates.

    Mich Clinton 55% Free Delegates 45% free or Clinton 88 free 72.

    Today difference is roughly Obama edge including SD 160 delegates, after Fla and Mich, Obama edge approx 36 delegates.

    If the proper rule is in place of only 50% delegates for Fla and Mich, then Obama edge including SD 98.

    Free delegates in FLA and Mich full seating 107, half seating 54.

    Now full rules in place, Obama knowingly campaigned in both states, thus Obama is stripped of his delegates, then it is Clinton advantage 25 delegates!

    Either way, combine the events after Rev Wright came to light March 11, Obama only won NC, he lost every other primary.

    Super Delegates have 2 problems, one gone after seating Fla and Mich, which makes Clinton the stronger candidate. Second, Obama’s small donor data base which he claims to contain 1.5 million people. Unfortunately, knowing Chicago politics, that list is likely phoney to a large degree, loaded with dead people, fake addresses and college kid provided pre-paid Visa cards, do not forget, the Queen of Bank rip offs is Chair of Obama’s finance commitee and is a hotel operator who has a database of all sorts of out of country names and addresses to use. Something Axelrod would easily manipulate!

    And Kerry’s list got hammered after he played politics with his when endorsing Obama, that is what happens when you piss off voters and USE THEM!

  • Patrick Henry

    Good reminder Mr Murder..

    Gang Banger Politics…

  • karen for Clinton

    Donna lied, of course, she said 48 states complied with the rules. No they didn’t and we all know they just picked two states to single out and not punish the others.

    Send the DNC another letter, Donna lies to millions of dems to kiss her sham’s ass again.

  • Mr.Murder

    Thanks for the reminder on that info, Mel.

  • SensibleWoman

    They all silently converted tonight?

  • raymo

    No they didn’t call for her to drop out, Olbermann just called for some guy to take her into a room and beat her up until only 1 guy came out. You see? That’s very different than calling for her to drop out./snark.

    I hate the media.

  • http://nobloodforhubris.blogspot.com No Blood for Hubris

    Hillary CRUSHES Obama in WV and the media whore media act like she just hoiked a lougie. Puh-leese.

  • DENDY

    The look on DB face throughout the discussion was priceless. No words needed.
    After all of this is over my mission in live is going to be to get rid of the virus in this party. Donna, Pelosi, Dean…they are too many.

  • Zee

    Not only did Donna lie but she kept sneering and rolling her eyes like some adolescent brat.

    Oh, but they are all so snide, those LOVELY Obama Unity-corn Rainbow-sniffers who don’t want to interrupt Santy-Claus for dirty stinkin’ democracy.

    Ubermann was snidest of all, after Hillary’s fantastic speech. He said it had to be the speech of the century and then added “so there it was, folks, the Sermon on the Mount.”

    What a dick. According to internet reports a very inept one, as well.

    If this is NEW politics and UNITY..uh…

  • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ Pagan Power

    93% of the vote counted and she is up 41 points. Simply frickin amazing. That is what I would call a decisive win.

  • Patrick Henry

    I agree Mel…Good post

  • leslie

    What I heard Russert say – just before I switched away from MSNBO, was “800 super delegates have not turned toward Clinton”.

    I then wrote to timmeh and shouted that if there 800 super delegates who hadn’t yet turned toward Clinton – they also hadn’t turned toward Obama. And WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT ??

    I’ll never hear back but I don’t care. Someone had to say it.

  • typical.white.person
  • Mel

    Obama is acting like he has won the nomination, because Axelrod say so, he are Axelrods forecasts from his leaked Feb spreadsheet for the final contests in Kentucky, Oregon, Montana, S. Dakota and Puerto Rico!

    Clinton 96 delegates
    Obama 70 delegates

    But aside from NC, Axelrod has been off by about 15% since the Rev Wright occurred. Example tonight he forcasted Clinton 55% Obama 43%, off by 15% average. So redo the numbers in the remaining states will show:

    Clinton 111 delegates
    Obama 55 delegates

    Based on a 2209 count a total including Fla and Mich:

    Clinton 2193
    Obama 1940

    Clinton short 16 delegates
    Obama short 269 delegates

  • scott

    I love that, did you find that at rezko watch, And is TWP the same name you use at liberalrapture.com

  • Mel

    You are welcome!

  • JM

    If you remove the votes from the total that were cast for John Edwards, Hillary is winning the election by 44% (as in President#44)! Good omen I would say!

    She won every single county in the state. Only one county was relatively close (Jefferson county 49%-46%) which is the county closest to Washington DC.

    Super job Hillary! Thanks WEST VIRGINIA! You exceeded expectations!

  • beachnan

    Class and dignity. The Clinton campaign embodies those two qualities. Unfortunately, the Obama campaign has no idea what those two qualities are. Hillary is going to win this.

  • yttik

    LOL, okay Carville does look like a tortoise and Wolfson is sexy? Y’all better pour me another glass of wine.

  • street_parade

    Rove knows how to win…the Dems should take lessons from him on that. The way the Dems allocate delegates makes NO sense. Jeebus, they’re dumb.

  • typical.white.person

    No and no.

    I found it in google images.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Brought to you from the same talented people who gave us “Hillary: Mad as Hell,” please help this video go viral.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke64670GkZ8&eurl=http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com/

  • stodghie

    i think that interview with rove and others will be looked at closely by people who write about this campaign after it is over and mccain wins. they’ll trace the trajectory over the cliff very carefully. i, you, and rove can see the red flags, but the dnc and pundits refuse to see it.

  • blobert

    Thank you, Mel !!

    I’m having a conspiracy theory on the reason the powers were hysterical for HRC to get out quickly.

    I am convinced that the Repugs have been overwhelming our caucuses and primaries, and that Clinton won by a much larger margin.

    And the Repugs didn’t plan for WV or the upcoming states because they figured the primary would end sooner. So these final results will be less tampered with and a more pure reflection of democratic wishes.

  • blobert

    I heard that SC jumped ahead and was not punished.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Of course not. That would have been bad for the Baby Jesus.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Oh I so stole that.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Won the nomination? He’s acting like he won the election!

  • http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net Muzza
  • Petrus

    I called some people in West Virginia. I got a person that once she heard I was calling from the Hillary Clinton campaign, she stopped me. She told me that “If I hear the name Hillary Clinton again, I’m going to throw myself from a bridge!”. Then she hung up, I started laughing uncontrollably for a few minutes. But seriously, people should call on Hillary’s behalf. Got to http://tools.hillaryclinton.com/calling/, and sign up to call.

  • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

    Watching that video of Donna Brazile and Howard Wolfson talking about Florida and Michigan made me so angry. And, Wolf and Campbell? Ughh! I’ve had my fill of CNN for the week now!!!! I don’t understand how the point that Wolfson was making, that so many of us have been making, about the fact that it was a Republican controlled leadership that changed the rules in Florida and that the PEOPLE shouldn’t have to pay for that misdeed, can keep being overlooked! It makes it crystal clear that the DNC is dead set against Hillary and it’s disgusting. Donna sat her fat behind up there grimacing and smiling snidely as Howard was talking and she couldn’t have looked more unprofessional.

  • http://www.agust.com Agust304

    WOW. Lot of comments. I don’t know if this will be read.

    Thanks folks for getting the word out about our Internt outage earlier today.

    Thanks for being more aggressive than any site on the net in calling out for the truth.

    Larry and Sue. Don’t stop.

    http://www.ecitizen.net/music/PolitikaRock.mp3

    Hey. Please ask those who like the above to put this on their site too. My site is dying. But.. yes get it out.

    It is how I ( we ? ) feel.

  • Mel

    Sort of like being a product of the Kennedy airlift and a product of Semla huh…..lol

  • http://OTliesvideo Lyn

    isn’t he the guy that ran ads sayin I never met Obama? They are lieing saying he is supporting me?

  • Northwest rain

    Yep — a neutered grey hound that can’t run.

  • http://!! flyarm

    WASN’T KANSAS A CAUCUS????????

    i don’t believe any of the caucus numbers..period the end..

    fly

  • Northwest rain

    Done – $44.44 in honor of

    Madam President 44

  • http://!! flyarm

    absolutely..no where in the rules does it say the popular vote is sanctioned.

    and furthermore ..Texas still shows only 41% counted on their caucus ..why has either candidate gotten any delegates for the caucus if it was never completely counted or certified?

    anyone have any answers..

    Florida is 100% ceritifed…but wtf..we voters are not counted so we are no longer americans i guess..since we are no longer counted as being part of this republic as far as the dem party is concerned.

    fly a disenfranchised florida non counted american voter.

  • http://!! flyarm

    Hillary beats McCain in Fla by 15% points..Obama loses to McCain in Florida..

    wow that gives me confidence in Obama..nottttttttttttt!

    GEE NOW WE SEE..OBAMA LOSES WV, FLA, MI ,OHIO PA..ANYONE GAINING CONFIDENCE YET???????

    SEND MONEY TO HILLARY PLEASE!!

    fly

  • TeakWoodKite

    and that leaves the math…?

    Interesting SueB

  • TeakWoodKite

    I wondered about that…alexei. Coat tails…

  • TeakWoodKite

    They tried….

  • http://!! flyarm

    DONNA ..YOU ARE A FING MORON..THE MOST IMPORTANT RULES..THE RULES OF A DEMOCRACY ARE..COUNT THE DAMN VOTES…

    GO AWAY AND LEAVE THIS PARTY TO THE DEMOCRATIC AMERICANS WE ARE DONNA,.GO AWAY..JUST STFU AND GO AWAY..YOU ARE TOAST!

    fly..who is more than angry at my vote being stolen by Obama, Dean and that stinking non democrat..Donna Brazile.

  • http://!! flyarm

    may i lend you all..my glasses????????

    they are pretty strong and you might have a different prospective!!

    now..Jude Law..well then we are talking…

    fly

  • s. hall

    I can tell you how Paul Bagella spins it — She doesn’t hurt Obama at all because she never attacked him therefore, he goes into the GE very popular in WV. Huh

  • TeakWoodKite

    Not surprising since I’m “vile” in her opinion and she having never met me. igit.

  • http://!! flyarm

    that is about the most republican area in Missouri..

    i can’t for the life of me figure out why he went there..makes no sense.
    hell i could hardly imagine them finding two dems there let alone the handful they had behind him bored!

    fly

  • s. hall

    But we can’t count Florida and Michigan — They broke the rules and what would the rest of the voters think? The previous was stated by the uncommitted Super Delegate and rules maker Donna Brazile. Who in answer to an E-mail about counting the voters of Florida and Michigan called the woman an uncouth, vile, Repugnant, Anti American Hillary supporter. Seems the head of the rules committee hates Hillary and her supporters however, this fact is lost on Howard Dean who continues to maintain that the Democratic Party is neutral in the race.

  • http://deleted AnninCA

    The SDs actually negate the entire “delegate” win argument.

    Which is exactly what it was designed to do.

    SD’s aren’t beholden to the delegate count.

    That’s the Dem Party rules.

    End of story.

    So they can decide, in spite of the winning delegates, to toss their hats in on a different candidate.

    Now, in this race, because it’s between two highly emotionally charged candidates?

    First AA and first woman?

    The Dem party has indicated, anyway, that they will take the easy route and go against electability, vote for whomever is ahead, and also take that risk.

    Therefore, popular vote versus this goofy delegate system, which nobody without alzheimers could deny at this point, will be a very compelling argument.

    That will “allow” the SDs to think this over.

    That’s the Hillary strategy.

    Think this over.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Same as it ever was…eh Patrick Henry?

    Mr. Murder’s post is crux of the biscuit. Not that this method of winning elections is reported on. Obama’s Plumers?

    How many laptops are missing this campaign?

  • s. hall

    Obama, never short of a new character to play has decided to out McCain McCain. Watch him use Republican speak to endear himself to Repubs and Indis while dissing the Dems who he thinks belong to him. Obama is a whore on a binge.

  • s. hall

    They also penalized the SD’s who were never part of any election.

  • Alien

    Donna Brazile looked very unprofessional in that interview.

    When Condi Rice lies her eyes sort of wander (she does have to tell big porkies)-but Donna has the expression of a 12 year old – a sulking disrespectful one at that.

    Sure weve all seen even been one!

  • s. hall

    I love Greta — She said wouldn’t it have made more sense for Obama to have stayed in WV and made his concession speech to them. She said it was rude of him not to speak to the people of WV and would cost him in the GE.

  • s. hall

    Street parade what bothers me is that Obama is going to come out next week and declare he is the nominee. The word was he was going to do it and then changed his mind — now he has once again decided to declare that he is the nominee even though he doesn’t have the delegates. Obama ain’t showing people HOPE — he’s showing his hutspa.

  • s. hall

    teakwoodkite — shocking that this woman pretends to be neutral. Terry McAuliffe said he was DNC Chair and he knows the rules. The state loses 50% of its delegates not 100% and there is no rule which says that you can take their SD’s away. 5 other states broke the same rules however, nothing was said.

  • s. hall

    flyarm — now they are threatening John McCain that if Obama is the nominee he nor his campaign is not to say anything negative about Obama. I don’t know who is making the threats but I heard it tonight. Hillary was also threatened. Are they going to have a temper tantrum riot if the rules of engagement with McCain are not adhered to.

  • s. hall

    Chris — the reason you have never seen a frontrunner lose a primary this late in the season is that most frontrunners have been vetted. These are the first elections since Preacher Wright. People are shocked that Obama could sit in that church for 20 years and believe he agrees with the Preacher.

  • s. hall

    strawberry — what can they say after a 40% loss? I love it.

  • s. hall

    I looked at Obama in his jeans and there was nothing in those jeans. It makes them hang better that way.

  • s. hall

    Obama can’t afford more losses like WV and KY so prescious is going to declare victory in the hopes that he can fool more people into thinking he’s invincible.

  • s. hall

    Mel — I wonder if he just pulled people in off the street because this crowd was not interested.

  • fooj

    Something tells me that Obama’s “Mission Accomplished” moment- May 20th, has been “taken off the table”…

    Just a hunch.

  • s. hall

    This is worse than even Rove implied. Obama needs students, which are a fickle group and who went for Hillary tonight. He also needs elitists, another fickle group. Right now they are going to bed happy that they support an AA for President but they will find another cause and Obama will be forgotten. Perhaps adopting africa children will make them sleep better. Obama has a problem with any group who isn’t firmly in his corner. He has now dashed any hopes of getting the Hispanic vote which has been coveted by Dems for years. BO like Donna is furious at Hillary supporters and vise versa. Then there are the white workers — they are not going to come back to him.

    Obama’s big problem is that if a group doesn’t support him he doesn’t do the normal pandering to get them back — he ignores them and like tonight in WV doesn’t feel he should thank the voters for the votes he did receive. He is very arrogant and doesn’t feel he needs to pander to anyone. So now he has a new plan–he will fight McCain by trying to attract the Republican and Independent voters. That would be all well and good but first you have to solidify your base which Obama has not done.

  • BabyMia

    Hey I just wanted to say that I’m not some Obamabot Troll. My comment was removed. I don’t know why. Anyway, I just want vent like everyone else. Ok!

  • http://lkcampbell.blogspot.com Lucinda

    I’ll say it if no one else will. It was the AA vote that put him over the top in N.C., but no one says that black people are racist for unilaterally voting for a black candidate. Why then is it (according to Ron Reagan, for one) that the majority of white people voting for Hillary are racist? Could we have a double standard here?

  • http://lkcampbell.blogspot.com Lucinda

    The Fayetteville Observer in N.C. said that it was a symbolic victory for her. Then concentrated the rest of the story on Obama’s speech last night and how he’s focusing on winning the general election.

  • Ellen Tenn

    He didn’t stay around in Pennsylvania either! When things don’t go his way, he is out of there! Is this really the type of President we want?

  • JP

    My local cable network (New England Cable News) cut off Hillary’s speech before she was done! I immediately phoned them and said I was upset, that they were sexist, and I wasn’t going to watch them anymore.

  • DancingOpossum

    Olbermann was completely unhinged. Really naked fury at Hillary, it was disturbing to watch. He is spending too much time at Great Orange. And…Didn’t you love it when Terry McAuliffe threw Ted Kennedy going to the convention 900 delegates behind in their faces? Haw haw haw…

    I saw that interview with Greta and Rove and it was the single most important analysis of this election so far. The SDs really should look at it. Say what you will about Rove–and I yield to noone in my dislike of him–the man knows how to win elections. And remember, he too had to sell a candidate that was weak, arrogant, inexperienced, and fraudulent. But he did it successfully. Twice.

  • http://deleted AnninCA

    All of the delegate counts until they are verified by their own state conventions are merely projections.

  • http://www.despair.com/changewinds.html Smilin’ Jim

    Obama’s trading range has narrowed. I venture that if the primaries were run again that the delegate count would be in Clinton’s favor. I suspect many are now feeling buyers remorse with a vengeance.

    This is a train wreck.

    Were we to characterize the party leadership by Howard Dean, they would not dare to push Obama under the bus in favor of a more electable candidate. They lack the spine.

    It’s a goddamn shame that Hillary Clinton has the biggest balls in the party.

    Now for our bitter moment of the day.
    The leadoff without comment in Mo Dowd’s latest nastygram to the Clintons:

    In grim times, a bitter Hillary clings to bitter voters who in grim times supposedly cling to guns, religion and antipathy to people who aren’t like them.

  • http://deleted AnninCA

    The very idea that Dowd would call anyone else grim is the height of irony. :)

  • PamFlorida

    Last night, Donna Brazill stated that if BO had 2025 delegates, including SD, before the rules committee meeting May 31, then HE WOULD BE THE NOMINEE! That would give him the nomination BEFORE settling the FL. & MI. issue.
    On another program earlier this week-an Obama surrogate, I think it was Axelrod-said that since Puerto Rico isn’t a state, the delegates and popular votes from there don’t count towards the nomination!

  • PamFlorida

    BTW-I’m getting donation requests from BO (on very fine stationary). They got my name from Richardson-I sent him $10 eary in the year, though I’ve always been for HC.
    Returned it with, “NO, TAKE MY NAME OFF OF YOUR LIST”.

  • No Fraudz

    Re: Two Important Points on Florida (if Factual)

    1st… Don’t let Donna have that kind of power over your heart strings..… ain’t worth it!

    There is an aspect of the discussion re the real trigger behind the change in FL’s primary date to Jan 29th, that’s rarely highlighted.

    Plus the rules to be applied in these cases were not properly followed by the DNC?

    Apparently (if the reports in the ‘Nation’ and ‘HuffPost’ are factual) the Dem pols in FL found themselves in a real ‘catch 22’ situation, engineered by the Reps.

    If true, this fact is usually suppressed everywhere (Media included) in the irrational statements of those who keep pushing the line that “they broke the rules.” Or, maybe lots of folks really don’t know enough of the details..

    Secondly, seems that two states (South Carolina and Nevada) were awarded earlier slots this year. Twelve had applied. Full details here:

    At http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071217/moser
    they pointed out that

    ***********QUOTE***********

    “This strange saga began innocuously enough. Fearing likely attempts by big states like Michigan and Florida to disrupt the parties’ primary calendars with early dates in 2008, Republicans and Democrats ruled at their 2004 conventions that states trying to butt in before Iowa and New Hampshire would lose half their delegates.

    The Republicans left it there. The Democrats decided to try and fix things. The Democratic National Committee’s rules committee was tasked with bringing order to the chaotic primaries.

    Twelve states applied for two additional early primary slots, which were awarded earlier this year to South Carolina and Nevada. Democrats in other states could not vote before February 5.”

    “That created a sticky situation for Florida Democrats when, to nobody’s surprise, the Republican-controlled state legislature passed a law in May scheduling the state’s primary for January 29. (In most states, primary dates are set by the parties.)”

    [[And this is the critical part…….]]

    “ The primary date was wrapped up in a bill mandating a paper trail for the 2008 election–a popular measure the minority Democrats could not afford to oppose”.

    “ Besides, the loss of delegates was largely a toothless penalty, since according to precedent the Democrats’ eventual presidential nominee controls the seating of delegates–and surely wouldn’t alienate folks from the nation’s largest swing state by turning them away.” [my emphasis]

    My Question:
    [[Is it possible that this may be the motive for delaying the decision for soooo long? Why stall to this late in the ‘game’ ’if not to give the psychological edge and the illusion of the early advantage to a favoured candidate? Very few, (I imagine) keep track of the excluded votes and delegates, state after state, after state.]]

    (Quote continued)

    “But the DNC did not leave it there.

    In August the rules committee voted to strip all the state’s delegates unless Florida came up with an alternative to the January 29 voting. “I understand Florida’s dilemma,” DNC rules committee member Donna Brazile told me later. “But this is not about states’ rights; this is about a process we’re trying to keep some control over.”

    “ Two weeks after the DNC vote, Democratic chairs in the “First Four” primary states jacked up the ante with their notorious “four-state pledge” demanding the candidates focus exclusively on them. The signees–including John Edwards, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton–agreed to do no campaigning in Florida or any other state that might try to jump the gun.”

    [ Recently, someone shared with us, what that pledge looked like.]

    “And under party rules, “campaigning” means just about everything: e-mail messages; calls to voters; TV, radio or newspaper ads; rallies; hiring campaign workers; holding press conferences. The only thing Democrats are allowed to do in Florida–where folks have been complaining for years, with some justification, about being used as an ATM for the party–is fundraise.“

    [And we learnt that BO had ads running in FL state]

    “As Florida Democrats bayed in protest, DNC chair Howard Dean salted their wounds by opining that their votes “essentially won’t count.” Almost overnight, the unsavory reputation Florida Republicans had earned during the riotous Gore v. Bush 2000 recount battle was relegated to ancient history, and the Republicans’ sagging hopes of carrying Florida–where Democrats scored big in the 2006 midterms–were suddenly sky-high.”

    ***** End Quote*****

    It seems this situation prompted even Wayne Barret, (Huff Post) to explore the fiasco looking at the roles of the main protagonists and to ask:

    “Could the Republicans Pick the Democratic Nominee? — The Untold Story of How the GOP Rigged Florida and Michigan?”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-barrett/could-the-republicans-pic_b_94158.html

    If he got his facts right, then the following comments on the apparent abdication of responsibility by the DNC to investigate whether there was indeed “misbehaviour’ on the part of the Dem leaders in FL is instructive:

    ******QUOTE******

    Dems Take the Hit for the GOP

    “The Republican role is not some irrelevant anecdote. The DNC is charged, under its rules, to determine whether the Democrats in a noncompliant state made a “good faith” effort to abide by the party’s electoral calendar, and to impose the full weight of its available penalties, namely a 100 percent takedown of a state’s delegation, only if Democratic leaders in that state misbehaved.

    So the fact that it was Republicans who fomented the move-up of primaries in both these states to dates out-of-line with the DNC calendar is at the heart of the matter.

    The rules also demand that the DNC’s 30-member Rules and Bylaws Committee conduct “an investigation, including hearings if necessary” into these matters.

    The purpose of such a probe is to figure out if Democratic leaders in a state that did move up “took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith” to either “achieve legislative changes” to bring a state into compliance or to “prevent legislative changes” that took a state out of compliance.”

    “A DNC spokesman could not point to any real “investigation” the party conducted of the actions of “relevant Democratic party leaders or elected officials,” as the rules put it. All that happened with Florida, for example, was that two representatives of the state party made a pitch for leniency immediately before the Rules Committee voted for sanctions.”

    “What a probe might have discovered was a rationale for doing, at worst, what the RNC did to its own overeager primary schedulers in the same two states — cutting the delegations by half. That’s precisely the penalty specified in DNC rules, but the committee, exercising powers it certainly had the legal discretion to exercise, upped the ante as far as it could.

    In a bizarre reversal of public policy, the RNC, surely aware that the principal miscreants in both states were Republicans, applied a sane yet severe sanction. The Democrats opted for decapitation.”

    ***END QUOTE****

    [And recently we got access to info on how Team BHO deliberately orchestrated a campaign for their supporters to vote “uncommitted” in MI.]

    Perhaps the fundamental question is:

    WHO REALLY BROKE THE RULES?!

    And perhaps this, among the host of other mini-atrocities, explains why HRC picks up her knapsack, every time she’s kicked off the edge of the canyon, scrambles back to the trail and keeps pressing on. Seems to me her mission was expanded for her, not BY her.

    The battle morphed into perhaps a MORAL WAR, one that goes to the heart of the fundamental principles and values that this country, in it’s finest hours, has embraced and defended.

    Many of her supporters may not know it yet, but they are perhaps defending a CAUSE that may well be beyond mere physical stuff.

    Makes me wonder,

    WHO REALLY is the TRANSFORMATIONAL LEADER?

    When you have courageous leaders who risk friends, health, finances, colleagues, sponsors, life’s comforts and everything they have, to defend their country, be it woman or man, the people have a responsibility

    to understand the mission,

    enlist,

    train,

    educate,

    contribute,

    stay focused

    and soldier on to the deadly (dare I say ‘bitter’?)
    end!

    For the youths, a more powerful lifelong lesson could not be gained from reading the history books, as from experiencing firsthand this unfolding modern day quiet revolution!

    Pse forgive the length….

  • llilytoo

    The battle morphed into perhaps a MORAL WAR, one that goes to the heart of the fundamental principles and values that this country, in it’s finest hours, has embraced and defended.

    Exactly .That’s what keeps her going 18 hrs a day for months….there is a knife point at the throat of Democracy and all that’s keeping it from going in is HRC. At this point,Hillary is like freaking Washington and Lincoln combined. And you know what? The impeachment mess taught her invaluable lessons in dealing with these bastards…number one is : never give up….and certainly NEVER QUIT!
    Some of the same people that told Bill to quit are now telling her to stop.

    HELL NO.

  • http://winthemarket.com/datingtip Daryl

    At least Dukakis won West Virginia in the primary and GE.

  • http://360.yahoo.com/ommotherlifeforce fred heidrick

    her win was great, but the wads at the DNC are a bunch of WOMAN HATERS, and will go to no end to sink her candascy.

    the ferrate howard dean was on J Leno to night and he is a ego maniac.i was simpathetic at the time when they said he was crazy, but how he acted on leno, confurmed the sad fact that he might be crazy.and a woman hater obsessed with his own power and importance.

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