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Why Can’t Obama Be Like Sotomayor?

By Larry Johnson on May 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM in Current Affairs

(Bumped up from Friday morning)

Anyone else besides me bothered by the transparency in the information being released about Judge Sonia Sotomayor’s academic record compared to the wall of silence protecting Barack Obama? For example, we know that Judge Sotomayor finished second in her class at Princeton. She graduated Summa Cum Laude. How about Barack’s undergraduate record at Columbia?

Crickets. Nothing. We know he completed his undergraduate studies but did he receive academic honors? Did he graduate cum laude? Grade point average? Phi Beta Kappa? Barack and his campaign stonewall and we simply do not know. Now why is that? He has been duly elected, so this is not a challenge to his Presidency, but why would the “smartest” guy to ever serve in the White House obfuscate when it comes to his own academic marks?

  • marktarheel

    forget his college grades…..wheres the birth certificate?….what hospital was he born at?.. who was the doctor that delievered him?….what countyr gave him a passport to travel to pakistan?….much more important questions need to be answered…..

    • jbjd

      The Birth Certificate does not complete the parallel. No provision of the Constitution requires Justices of the SCOTUS to be citizens, let alone be natural born.

      • marktarheel

        I think you missed the point……..not soto’s birth cert…..barry’s

        • jbjd

          No; I got your point. You missed mine. LJ’s article posits a quid pro quo kind of argument. That is, Ms. Sotomayor wants the job of Justice and so, being vetted as to her legal acumen, releases her education transcripts. Therefore, he wishes that Mr. Obama, wanting the job of POTUS, had been correspondingly forthcoming. You brought up the birth certificate. I was merely trying to point out, this topic was outside of the scope of LJ’s parallel.

          • tminu

            Obama, by witness accounts, went to Occidental as a foreign student–he won’t even release his admissions records, let alone transcripts (of which there are ZILCH including none from Punahau). We don’t know that his benefactors did not buy ALL of his diplomas, nobody from “his” polysci class at Columbia remembers him being there.

            • James Guglielmino

              This is UTTER claptrap, just bull shit. Why don’t you stop demonstrating your total ignorance and just do some Googling to sites that aren’t invested in the wearing of the tinfoil hats for “better reception” of the Kool Aid signal? Try, for example, Snopes.com: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp
              Furthermore, try some cognitive reasoning…like this: “YES, it is not unreasonable for the Bush family, with political clout going back generations to be able to completely cover up shrub’s behavior. Prescott, the grand daddy, for example, was part of a plot to overthrow FDR in the early 30′s. But where would a kid like Obama get the power to cover up his origin? Do you think, somehow, that someone had the forethought to imagine that he might one day want to be President? Which of his parents might that have been? See? It really doesn’t hurt so much when you engage the TWO functional neurons that you may have

              • QueenofHearts

                How very clever James is with his biting, insulting comments! I fairly swoon at such witty repartee.

                Cover-ups are generally done after-the-fact, not before. I’m quite sure records existed of his undistinguished life (such as the Indonesian school registration) as he conned and cheated his way through it. They’ve just all been gathered up later in his life when it was decided that Obama should be installed as Emperor-For-Life of the World, for the purpose of creating a completely bogus narrative of his life and serving it up to foolish lemmings like yourself.

                But your comment brings up something I’ve been wondering about. Why, if your Beloved is so fabulous, can you and the rest of the OBorg talk of nothing day in and day out but Bush? Does that not take the focus and spotlight off of your Unity Unicorn? Oh, wait….now I see your point!

                • James Guglielmino

                  OQueenO, OQueenO….Exactly, cover ups are generally done *after the fact.”Now, let us go back to the example I provided for your *two neurons,* shrub Bush. I used that example, for what a sentient person would have understood, not because of a need to take the spotlight off of the President, who your delightful comment attacked, but because shrub Bush is one of the VERY few examples of someone who has the political clout TO cover up something like the things that he had covered for himself. Now, follow this: (if you have taken your meds this morning, it shouldn’t be too difficult, even in your case). Even in shrub’s case, stuff trickled out. Yeah, it had dead ends and people never could really nail the draft dodging, coke sniffing, alcoholic for his transgressions, but stuff still trickled out. In Obama’s case, what possible chance could there be that someone had the political or financial clout to do any kind of cover up? NONE. He doesn’t come from money and he doesn’t come from a family that has been in politics at least since the 19teens, now does he? So, if you would be so kind, would you explain to the list here how Obama could possibly have covered up any of the things you assert he is guilty of? Oh, and while you are at it, how’s about explaining Snopes.com? Yeah, that will be the day.

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    Every time you post, Chug-a-lug, your Master, That One, only grows weaker. So by all means, do continue your petty posturing and prevarication. Your posts serve to demonstrate the lengths to which an obamabot will go to maintain the wool over the electorates’ collective eyes concerning the False Messiah.

                  • leslie

                    What you wrote:

                    . Now, follow this: (if you have taken your meds this morning, it shouldn’t be too difficult, even in your case).

                    Is completely offensive. Your implication that people who “take meds” are somehow incapable of critical thinking – or even understanding is shallow and ignorant. And perhaps even shows your fear of things that you yourself don’t know or can’t understand.
                    You perpetuate the stigma of mental illness and with that perpetuate the perception – whether reality based or not – that somehow you are better than those who take medications to treat illness that leave them open to mockery.

                    I work with the mentally ill daily and because of that I say STFU until you have something worthwhile to say without being an affront to humanity.

                    • FLDemFem

                      I totally agree!! I did take my meds this morning, I take Tylenol for aches and pains. When I don’t take them, I am grumpy. Pain tends to do that to me. So just because someone takes meds, doesn’t mean they are mentally ill. I think James needs meds… preferably a strong sleeping pill that will keep him away from the keyboard. :P

            • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

              You seriously need to think about where you’re at right now. You are actually citing April Fools jokes as facts. Just seriously sit down and think about that for awhile. You need to clear your head and look at things from a fresh perspective.

              • elise

                Nony Mouse, I just came on this thread and know nothing about April Fool’s jokes, but I do believe Obama has held citizenship in other countries. I don’t know how this effects his eligibility as president, but considering the implication something more is needed to verify his past.

                His relatives in Kenya have stated categorically he was born in that country, including his grandmother who claims to have been in the same room.

                His grade school records from Jakarta show he was registered as Barry Soetoro. Since he was only in Indonesia a little over four years, without further information it’s impossible to know if he was adopted by his step-father.

                It is known he went by the name “Barry” when he returned to Hawaii and no school records have been released to indicate whether or not he continued to use his stepfather’s name. The time lines of his movements from his birth have been unclear and inconsistent, but according to Wiki, he didn’t move to Indonesia in 1966 or 1967 at the age of six and returned to Hawaii at age ten in 1972, but if his age was correctly listed when his mother married Soetoro and when he returned to live with his grandparents, it was probably 1966.

                You may dismiss his lack of writing published as Editor of the Harvard Law Review however, if you look at the records of previous Editors, you will find they wrote opinions.

                No matter what the field of study, in general, talented students are generally involved in extra-circular activities. For example volunteering service in legal clinics in the case of law, medical clinics for med students, academic fraternities etc. He was definitely not a member of Phi Betta Kappa since their records are public. These are important when applying for jobs so they should not be dismissed.

                There has been no proof he was offered jobs as clerk for judges which is traditionally the norm for Law Review Editors. Before he entered politics and his name became known to all, there was a article in the NYT about the first Black person nominated as Editor and some of the professors and fellow students claim he was given the position as an affirmative action student (minority) and not based on academic achievement.

                The last time the US had a president with one parent as citizen of another country was when Chester A. Arther was elected. His father was Canadian and some questioned his eligibility, claiming he was in fact born in Canada.

                I respect everyone’s right to support the candidate of their choice, but to call into question the intelligence of others who want answers to questions about a person who may ultimately have power over their very lives smells like fear of the answers and a willingness to ignore TRUTH if it suits you.

                As we have seen in the past, no part of a president’s life should be out of bounds and no history should be hidden. In this case, it matters. Obama’s familial history in Kenya and Indonesia, two volatile countries where conflicts could lead to a conflict for the president or where questions of divided loyalty could conceivably arise, we need to trust him to act in the best interests of the US without hesitation.

                Most of his history comes from two autobiographical books and his personal accounting of past is pretty much accepted without question. I keep thinking, if I decided to write my life story, would I tell all or leave some parts out or change some things here and there. Obama is not a modest man and it seems unlikely he would include anything negative unless the truth is likely to come out.

                Someone mentioned his book, Dreams Of My Father, and noted it had been revised and re-released before his campaign for the senate. The book as first released didn’t sell and that may have been the reason, however, I also would like to read that version.

                Some people, like me, are curious and want to know the whole truth. Call it intellectual curiosity. But, please don’t assume others are intellectually inferior to you simply because they ask questions since that’s what intelligent people do.

              • ConfusedAmerican

                Im not sure about what they are saying about the college records. However, face it you Obots why in the Sam H3LL would someone not show their records. Why in the Sam H3LL would someone pay over a Million dollars not to show their records?
                I do know this—
                I find it Very Very Strange that there was
                1.)only a one page doctors letter for Obama(all other candidates had folders filled with doctors records for present and several previous years).
                2.)No mention of his grades or transcripts of his grades, but there was of all the other candidates. Even the candidates before Obama we knew where they stoood in school.
                3.) numerous flaws in Obama’s BC that is on the internet (African has never been a race on an American BC, especially in the 60s.)
                4.) over million dollars and more money is still being spend to keep the public from seeing Obama’s BC and other records.
                5.) Major flaws in the vast majority
                of his childhood stories that he told on the campaign trail. His stories were so shot down due to dates and places, sometimes even after he wrongly corrected them LOL.

                Tell me why if Obama promised Transparency he hasnt cleared up any of these issues.

                Hey Obama knows there are many who have these questions and the amount of people who are questioning him are growing by the thousands everyday.
                From what I understand the number of people who want answers to these questions is in the Millions—Last I read it was in the 10s of millions.

                • smrstrauss

                  Re: “is there any proof out there that he has indeed spent close to a million dollars in legal fees to keep his details private?”

                  He has not spent one cent to keep details private. No suits were asking for information. All the lawsuits were to stop the election or to stop certification of the election.

                  • Cat in NJ

                    Oh, really?

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    Is it your calling to lie for That One? Really, be honest, Goober. We know what you post are entirely falsehoods and that your pants should be a-blazin’ by now.

                  • FLDemFem

                    Attorney Philip Berg filed a law suit regarding Obama’s eligibility to hold the office of President on the grounds that Obama is not a natural born American citizen. Google Philip Berg Obama for the details.

      • miriam

        Which only amplifies the Founders’ concern that the President be born in America. It’s the only office that has this requirement. Why can’t we insist upon proof that it’s been fulfilled?

        • smrstrauss

          There is proof. Obama posted, and showed to FactCheck and Polifact, his official Hawaiian birth certificate. The Certification of Live Birth is the ONLY birth record that Hawaii issues to people who ask for copies of their birth certificate. And there is more proof. Two officials of the state of Hawaii (under a Republican governor) looked into Obama’s file and said that there was an original birth certificate in it. In 1961 Hawaii did not allow foreign birth certificates to be registered in Hawaiian birth files, so the original birth certificate must be from Hawaii.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Why is it that we can’t stick to the subject of a post? We have open threads for off-topic subjects. I realize fully that the B.C. issue is important to many people — and people are welcome to discuss it — but please do so in Open Threads. Btw, during the primaries and general election, we posted numerous articles about the B.C. issue.

      Not only do we have no record of Obama’s performance at Columbia, we have no record of his work at Pepperdine or at Harvard.

      Here’s another off-topic issue: Why do we only have a one-page summary of his medical history? But I’ll ask about that in an Open Thread or in a new story.

      • Animal Control

        Didn’t he also attend Occidental?

        • PainkillerJayne

          but that was accidental.smirk :P

        • Alex

          Yes, but Obama’s lawyers have asked that his records there not be released.

      • marktarheel

        Has everyone stopped checking into the birth certificate?…..I would hate to think that someone out there has credible evidence that isnt being looked at?…….is no quarter still looking into it?

      • TeakWoodKite

        SusnUNPC! Pepperdine???

        As much as I scraped the internets on BO, I missed this one!
        When did he attend?? or was this Occidental?

        Mr. Johnson is quite correct to point out the fact that the public does not know what BO’s academic marks are.

        There something very wrong. I mean Bush had no problem with it… why not BO…

        TGIF to you and yours.

        • Docelder

          We really need the Google 2001 cache back up. ;)

          • Chicago Joe

            There is nothing about Pepperdine. But I did read on some blog (not sure where so not sure of the accuracy) that he did apply to Occidental as a foreign student and received aid based on that. We need to know if this is true. His executive order issued on the first day of his presidency notwithstanding.

        • FranSC

          It was Occidental. B0 would not have been caught dead at Pepperdine University – a Christian-based conservative university in CA. He only became interested in Christianity when he decided it would be helpful to him with his community organizing if he belonged to a church. That’s when he became a member at Rev Wright’s church.

          Sorry, Susan, for the off-point, but I’m fairly certain Pepperdine is not on his resume.

      • ConfusedAmerican

        The issue I thought is that the judge is being vetted and actually fried by some media nad political people(left and right equally it seems), yet where is all the vetting information on Obama.
        The BC, his passport issue, his college records, his medical records and the list goes on are just some of the vetting issues that we never got to see last year…which many feel the judge will probably supply or not end up being accepted.

        So I guess most here are wondering why do we and are we so totally vetting all these other people but not the person who holds the highest office of our country?

        • inconsiderable wretch

          Exactly!

      • FrenchNail

        Any dual citizen can tell you why there is no record of his time at the prep school, occidental or Columbia: Because he bypassed the regular standard of enrollment by attending as a foreign (Indonesian) student and was probably even receiving (government?)sholarships for it.

        Not only the enrolment standards are totally different and much lower but the completion and grading standards are too. The purpose of having foreign students as alumini is not excellence of the foreign students but exposure to other culture and possible business connections for the American students.

      • tminu

        I think they’re all linked, he’s a TOTAL FRAUD so every part of him is hidden obfuscated, etc.

      • Chris Vosburg

        Susan writes: Not only do we have no record of Obama’s performance at Columbia, we have no record of his work at Pepperdine or at Harvard.

        Wait, Pepperdine? [laughing] Pepperdine?

        Seriously, Susan, you and I and Larry know this much: Obama’s academic work at Columbia was apparently good enough to get him into Harvard, where contrary to your assertion, it is recorded that he graduated Magna Cum Laude in 1991.

        Not that this makes a difference to you, I know. You will furiously demand proof that he graduated high school, and receiving that will furiously demand proof that he graduated kindergarten, and on and on and on.

        I assume Obama recognizes demands like these for the irrelevant crap they are, so you can hardly blame him for ignoring them. Like yourself in the current situation, he feels that they are simply, ah ha ha:

        “Off-topic.” :-)

        • QueenofHearts

          It is not off-topic to have expected Obama to reveal the same things every other candidate for political office is expected to disclose. The fact that you believe Obama is free to ignore this protocol as ‘irrelevant crap’ speaks to how little you understand about how government works in America (or did until the current coup d’etat). The People deserve actual transparency, not hypocritical lip service to it. Do you not find it contradictory for Obama to make such a big deal about his pretense to unprecedented transparency when he has the most obfuscated, obscured record of anyone ever elected?

          You, sir, are the type of person who makes me consider that there should be an intelligence test for voting.

          • smrstrauss

            Re: “It is not off-topic to have expected Obama to reveal the same things every other candidate for political office is expected to disclose.”

            If you are talking about Obama’s grades, that is not true. We have summaries of the grades of some of the most recent presidents, but never all the grades of all the courses. How well did JFK do at Harvard? We don’t know. Those files are still private.

            Should the grades of a presidential candidate be private? I think it is up to the candidate. If he feels it is necessary to show his grades, he will. If not, he doesn’t have to. If he does not show his grades and his opponent does, we have the right to vote for the opponent. (How well did McCain do in all his courses?)

            • elise

              smstrauss, the Obama campaign and his supporters brought claim he is extremely intelligent. They are responsible for “opening the door” on this issue. It is a question of honesty, not grades. If you, as a supporter tell me he is of average intelligence or even slightly above average, why would I question since all politicians are given to hyperbole.

              This is not in defense of Bush, but his GPA was released as well as his place in his class. John Kerry released his GPA only after his candidacy, but it seems it was no better than Bush. Clinton graduated Phi Betta Kappa which translates to a 4.0 GPA.

              Do grades matter? Maybe yes and maybe no. Bush was ridiculed for his modest, average academic career, but then, he never claimed to be a genius whereas Obama has been touted as the most intelligent president ever. Bill Clinton is the only US president with a perfect GPA and Rhodes Scholarship. Is Obama smarter than Clinton? I doubt it.

              • FLDemFem

                Is Obama smarter than Clinton?

                All you have to do to decide the answer is a resounding “NO!!” is listen to them speak without the teleprompter. I have never heard Bill Clinton go “Uh, um..ah..uh” when asked a question, or when explaining something. Bill Clinton is also confident enough in his own intellectual capacity not to have the need to put down others who don’t have it. Obama seems to require that others be made to look stupid for him to look smart. That is a sign of ego, not intelligence.

              • smrstrauss

                Re: “It is a question of honesty, not grades.”

                Eh? Obama’s campaign staff say that he is smart. I don’t necessarily believe them. You don’t necessarily believe them. We judge how smart someone is by what they do and how they do it. Thus, I suspect that JFK had lousy grades (spent much time chasing tail) but was smart nevertheless.

                The point, of course, is that the president should have the right to give out his grades. We assume that smart presidents with good grades will give them out and dumb presidents with lousy grades will not give them out. But I think that a REALLY smart president with good grades would not give them out. Why should he? We know he is smart, and he can release the grades if necessary in his re-election campaign.

          • James Guglielmino

            Ummmm….Say WHAT? THAT comes from YOU? AFTER yoru brilliant dissertation on how Obama covered up his….whatever? Good Lord…The wingnuts are abounding….they ALWAYS look in the mirror and call others what they see. Good LORD.

            • NoBamaNoWay

              speaking of dissertations, how is it that Oabma’s thesis from Columbia seems to have mysteriously “disappeared?” if it was stolen by malicious republican operatives and there was anything bad in it, surely they would have made it public; on the other hand, if it was something that would reflect well on Obama, he no doubt would have another copy that he would be happy to make public.

              the unavoidable reality is that Obama has deliberately kept almost every pertinent record of his life, from birth onwards, hidden from the public, and the MSM and his supporters couldn’t care less. he’s The One; he is above scrutiny.

              • Chris Vosburg

                Nobamanoway writes: speaking of dissertations, how is it that Oabma’s thesis from Columbia seems to have mysteriously “disappeared?”

                Please take the time to read this, published almost a friggin’ year ago in response to furious wingnut demands to see Obama’s “thesis” or “dissertation” or whatever the hell it is they are furiously demanding to see.

                Since you won’t, because then you’d have to stop reading nonsense here temporarily and it’d break your heart, I’ll summarize:

                * Columbia did not require a thesis of undergraduates in 1983, according to a spokesman for the University. Therefore, there isn’t one.

                * However, Obama took a special “honors seminar” in American Foreign Policy which consisted of eight students.

                * His professor in that course recalls that he was one of the top one or two students in the class.

                * Yep he wrote a paper for the course, which he didn’t keep a copy of, and his professor was unable to turn up despite hunting through box after box of old papers.

                * The professor says “My recollection is that the paper was an analysis of the evolution of the arms reduction negotiations between the Soviet Union and the United States,” but says that the paper was actually a procedural one rather than a position paper. As you may recall, Ronald Reagan roamed the Earth back then and was seeking arms reduction agreements with the Soviets.

                Is all of this news to you, or are you pretending that everyone is lying about it? I mean, really, what is the problem here?

                • elise

                  I graduated two years before Obama and I still have a copy of my thesis. I’ve moved quite a bit in the intervening years, but I always know where that paper is.

                  I suppose for some, out of carelessness, lose tract of their papers, but wouldn’t the admissions board at Harvard Law want to see what he had written before admission? If so, Harvard would have a copy in his admissions file.

                  I am curious about where you came upon information of a special honors class since no other information about his classes, curriculum and grades is available. A thesis may not have been a requirement when he graduated for non honors students, but if he graduated Magna, it would have been. Where is that paper?

                  I’m not pretending the professor was lying, but could he have been mistaken? The university I attended has a file, now on microfilm, of every significant event in my education and this professor is looking through boxes?

                  I’m sorry, Chris, but a little healthy skepticism is what you need. Only sheep follow blindly.

                  • mel

                    Anyone think a Prof wouldn’t play along with a fabrication story to be able to claim having been a Prof of a POTUS?

                    The simple prestige of it makes a Prof’s career. What makes it phoney is his inability to find it!

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      mel writes: Anyone think a Prof wouldn’t play along with a fabrication story to be able to claim having been a Prof of a POTUS?

                      I beg your pardon? “Play along” with…

                      For heaven’s sake, Mel, just follow the link I provided, where you’ll find that he is the originator of the story, not somebody glomming onto a tale told by Obama.

                  • Chris Vosburg

                    Elise writes: I am curious about where you came upon information of a special honors class since no other information about his classes, curriculum and grades is available.

                    [deep breath] In the comment you are responding to, I helpfully provide a link to answer the question you have asked. The link is easily identified as the single word rendered in blue in the sentence “please take the time to read this.”

                    Click on it. With your mouse. There ya go. Glad I could help.

                    • elise

                      Chris take some more deep breaths. It’s good for circulation, increasing O2 to the brain and controlling emotions. I do it as a regular part of my Yoga practice.

                      Why would Prof Baron be permitted to talk about a single class Obama took and why has he been looking for the thesis for eight years? He donated the max amount to Obama’s campaign and he is a devoted bot, like you. Why does he remember a young Barack Obama while none of his classmates or other profs seem to be able to place him from his years at Columbia and Occidental?

                      I don’t know how much time you spent on your thesis or how hard you worked, but I sweat blood over mine. The last semester was hell writing and re-writing while trying to keep up with my classes. While I rarely get it out to show the world, I want to preserve it so my children and grandchildren will know what I was capable of doing.

                      What clubs and activities did he involve himself in while in college? As a professor of Con Law in Chicago, was he or was he not required to publish? Was he or was he not required to write a paper for his admission to Harvard? His admittance WAS NOT, COULD NOT have been based on Legacy because his father was a scholarship student and Legacies are based on bequests and donations.

                      I remember Affirmative Action and approved (still do). I doubt he was given admission based on academic excellence at either Columbia or Harvard. He has admitted he “played” during his two years at Occidental so how did he get into Columbia? GPA, honors, extra-circular activities and papers written are so important when applying for the best schools. Now, even more mediocre schools take these into account.

                      I’m not attacking you. I feel my questions are legitimate unless/until the media and his supporters admit they have exaggerated his intelligence and accomplishments or he offers proof of the claims. It can’t be that hard. Even GWB finally released his school records, dismal though they may be.

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      I’m not attacking you. I feel my questions are legitimate unless/until the media and his supporters admit they have exaggerated his intelligence and accomplishments or he offers proof of the claims.

                      Look: we have established that he cleared Harvard Law with Magna Cum Laude honors, but you say that’s not meaningful to you.

                      So what would be meaningful to you?

                      I think the answer is painfully obvious to anyone watching both sides of this conversation, and I’ll leave that as my last word:

                      Nothing.

                    • elise

                      Hello spam monster. Did you eat my reply?

                  • http://www.lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com whoframedrudy

                    “Wouldn’t the admissions board at Harvard Law want to see what he had written before admission?”

                    No. LSAT, grade transcripts, letters of recommendation. Churn ‘em and burn ‘em. A cab driver got into Harvard Law with no college degree based on a perfect LSAT score.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  Give us links, troll, to the real McCoys, not references to someone else who makes the same silly-ass claims you do or to some website devoted to the adoration of your False Messiah. If you can’t (and you won’t)–shut up.

                  • mel

                    Chris, originator of a story is bull unless others come forward to confirm it, otherwise, the way the Obama crap went on last year anyone link to Obama is full of crap!

                    And don’t forget, Obama got into Harvard on the legacy program thanks to daddy going there, just like dumb MO got into Princeton, legacy not grades!

                    Ah how things get tangled by the web of deception at the hands of Obama trained bots!

                  • Chris Vosburg

                    Berfle writes: Give us links, troll, to the real McCoys, not references to someone else who makes the same silly-ass claims you do or to some website devoted to the adoration of your False Messiah.

                    What on Earth are you talking about? The link is not to a pro-Obama site, or to a plethora of unsourced claims but to an article written by an investigative reporter, who wanted to find out about the paper he had written.

                    Unsurprisingly, he sought out the professor who had graded the paper and asked him what he remembered about it, and Obama himself, and the professor answered his questions to the best of his recollection. If that’s not the real McCoy, what is, Ferd?

                    Obama got an A, by the way. You can read more at the link. But you won’t, because then you’d have to forego all the unfounded bitching about not knowing anything about his academic years.

                    And, let’s face it, Ferd: you’d rather hit yourself in the knee with a hammer than actually learn something about the subject you’re so devoted to crying about.

                    • mel

                      NBC is the Obama news network, produce something real, not the home of the worst journalists in the world devoted only to the orders of their bosses GE!

                      What a troll error to pass off NBC as reliable source of information!

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      Think the professor’s recollection would be different if he were talking to Fox, mel?

                    • mel

                      Fox would demand the thesis as proof just like they want to audit your books at ACORN and are being stonewalled Chris, so do I believe a professor who can remember a grade and thesis, but won’t produce it, not one bit, same as not believing Obama would fight against FISA,, pack of liars for personal gains I never believe in without proof Chris!

                      Too bad you believe them, do you say baa baa baa alot?

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      So NBC is a liar, the investigative reporter is a liar, the professor interviewed is a liar, and of course Obama is the biggest liar of them all, in an ever-expanding web of conspirators hiding the troo fax about Obama from you.

                      Either that or you are simply choosing to ignore evidence which contradicts an image of Obama that you have constructed as a pathological justification for what is increasingly clear is an irrational hatred.

                      I’ve got my trusty Occam’s Razor handy, and now ask you: using this handy little tool, which of these scenarios is more likely to be the truth?

                      Rhetorical question, mel, you don’t need to answer.

                  • Chris Vosburg

                    Incidentally, Ferd, a hallmark of trolls is gratuitous name-calling and they rarely add enlightenment to a topic, usually being content to just annoy people by being verbally abusive and as offensive as possible.

                    That being the case, I’m compelled to wonder if you’re not a bit confused about who is a troll here and who is not.

                • ConfusedAmerican

                  Strange comment from a professor, one or two, its almost as the professor isnt really sure if he remembers Obama or not…
                  …Most professors would say top of the class, or at the top of the class…

                  But as usual it would be nice to see where that information came from….

                  Chris Vosburg you see that is the problem most of us are having with Obama….there is a lot of hearday information on him but no verifiable paperwork.

                  • Chris Vosburg

                    Confused writes: But as usual it would be nice to see where that information came from….

                    Which brings to a total of, what is it, at least half a dozen people here so far who cannot or will not follow the link I provided, which answers that question.

                    Remarkable. You devote endless days, weeks, months and years to saying over and over, well, we just don’t have enough information about his academic record, and I helpfully say, “here’s some!” and point your noses in the right direction, and you simply refuse to look.

                    It’s more obvious than ever that you are not interested in knowing more about his academic career; rather, you are only interested in hearing things about his academic career which cast him in a bad light.

                    Worse, although it should be obvious to you by now that this is increasingly unlikely, you’re still hanging on to the wambulance rear bumper.

                    O what noble minds are here o’erthrown.

                • Bella in Florida

                  He said the same thing about the records from Davis,Miner Barnhill & Galland where no records have been found when he worked for them in Chicago. How could a company have absolutely no reecords of a former employee?He worked for this company from 1993-2004

                  • Chris Vosburg

                    Bella writes: How could a company have absolutely no records of a former employee?

                    The most likely answer is that they simply blew off the reporter.

                    Look: here’s a little primer in this stuff. You know about dubya’s crappy grades because someone at Yale who thought he was an asshole leaked them to the press.

                    We know what we do about dubya’s life because dubya had plenty of “friends” who, although he was wealthy and therefore worth knowing, thought he was the horse’s ass to beat all horse’s asses, and don’t mind talking about it. Apparently, dubya’s life is chockfulla people like this, otherwise, you wouldn’t know what you do about dubya.

                    Contrast this with the silence enveloping Obama’s life and academic career. If you went to school with him and thought the guy was a dope and had an ax to grind, you’d score an easy spot on Sean Hannity’s show. Doesn’t seem to be any of these types, so maybe this in itself tells you what you would rather not hear: the guy was well liked in school.

                    If you knew Barack Obama in college and liked him, then out of respect, or admiration, or friendship, you’d simply ignore the press. God knows, if I knew him at Oxy– I was in Pasadena at the time and knew a handful of Oxy students– I’d hang up on them; there’s just no upside. (no I didn’t know him. Didn’t know Terry Gilliam either, the other famous Oxy).

                    If such a person did, the comments would be frankly uninteresting to them. Nobody wil publish a personal recollections which consist of boring stuff like “smart kid”, or “nice guy” or “great writer.”

                    You can sell far more papers by finding someone willing to say that he cheated on an exam, or walked all over people on his way to the head of the class, or is only where he is because of a [laughing] legacy.

                    Incidentally, Larry, since we’ve talked extensively about the right to privacy, downthread– or perhaps more accurately, the right to be left alone– of an American citizen, I’m inclined to point out that you’re in a uniquely ideal position to weigh in on this:

                    It could be the subject of your best post ever. How much does a man give up when he goes into the presidential office? How much should he give up? How much should he be expected to give up? How much does the constituency think he should give up?

    • http://noliinsipientiuminiuriaspati.blogspot.com/ adagioforstrings

      ott, Egyptian Obots inadvertently open up the can of worms wrt to Obama’s bc:

      “I am trying to get a birth certificate to get a job,” said Samia Abdel Hafiz, 52, as her 9-year-old daughter peddled tissues to students on the street. “Whenever I apply for a job they ask me for the birth certificate. Maybe Obama can help get my paperwork through.”

      • Arabella Trefoil

        Obama may not be able to help her, but the posters at Daily Kos probably can.

    • BARB

      I agree with the poster who markarheel…but I have one more question..why is it I can find NO record of when and where he passed his bar exam. This info is available for both Hillary Clinton and MO. Both passed after the second attempt. Anyone seen an actual record of BO passing the bar exam?

    • smrstrauss

      Re: “Wheres the birth certificate?….what hospital was he born at?.. who was the doctor that delievered him?….what countyr gave him a passport to travel to pakistan?”

      First question first. Where’s the birth certificate? Obama has posted the ONLY birth certificate that Hawaii sends out. Yes, the Certification of Live Birth is a birth certificate, which only means an official government document (hospital birth records are NOT considered birth certificates) dealing with the details of birth. If a state–and several states are taking this approach–choses to send out only the short form, then that is the official birth certificate of the state.

      In Hawaii’s case, it sends out only the Certification, which does not include details about who was the doctor or what hospital. But it does include the one essential point, that Obama was born in Hawaii, and two officials of the state of Hawaii looked into the file and confirmed the basic fact that he was born in Hawaii. What they said was that there was an Original birth certificate in the file, and at the time Hawaii could not create a file for a person born outside of Hawaii, much less put a foreign birth certificate in that file. A foreign birth certificate would not be an Original birth certificate in any case. It would only be a copy of the original, which would be held in the foreign government’s files.

      What country gave him a passport to travel to Pakistan (in 1981)? Answer: The USA did. Obama was never an Indonesian citizen, and so he never had an Indonesian passport. You can confirm this by simply calling the Indonesian embassy in Washington.

      There are allegations (stupid ones) that Obama had to have an Indonesian passport to get to Pakistan because they say that Pakistan did not allow US citizens to visit at the time. This is a total lie. In 1981, Pakistan was eager to have tourists visit. It was relatively peaceful (under a military government to be sure, but that was normal for Pakistan), and Pakistan International Airlines had flights from New York’s JFK airport to Karachi. So Obama did not need to use a passport other than a US passport, and he did use a US passport since he never had an Indonesian passport.

      • http://www.b5acnetreatment.com/ I Hate Obama

        I tell you, you almost have me convinced! I mean what you say makes so much logical sense. But I just hate Obama so much, I don’t really care. I just don’t think he’s a real American – d’you know what I mean? I just think he’s basically a communist and if this whole birth certificate thing can help us get him out of the white house then that’s great!

        I mean my own birth certificate from West Virginia is just a little card… so I was a little confused about that, I mean – Mine doesn’t look very official. But I guess that doesn’t matter because I’m white and all and it’s obvious I’m a real American.

  • mary

    The question was finally asked to Gibs and laughed about it.
    What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi?

    So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration? The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.

    It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
    A: Yes, by his own admission.

    Q: What passport did he travel under?
    A: There are only three possibilities. 1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport, 2) He traveled with a British passport, or 3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

    Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
    A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

    Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

    If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008.. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

    Count me in as one of those inquiring minds who’d at least like to know the answers to these easily answered (by Obama) questions.

    • marktarheel

      Excellent questions……Why doesnt larry johnson try to answer these questions?

      • tek

        Mark: that’s what he’s doing in this post. Shining light on the fact that your questions haven’t been answered.

        Don’t like Obama, but I’m impresses that Sotomeyer graduated second in her class.

        • DVD

          I am waiting for the Whitey video. It should be coming any day now. Larry promised that a year ago.

          • Steve_in_KC

            (sigh) Here we go again…

            Larry didn’t promise anything of the sort. Larry reported that he had been told that some Republican politicos had a videotape showing Michelle O ranting about “whitey,” and he said they were threatening to release it before the election.

            Of course, John McCain, being an honorable man, made it absolutely clear that he would not tolerate any racially-motivated campaign tactics, especially since he has an adopted daughter from Bangladesh who has very dark skin.

            Do try to keep up. You’ve had a year to get your facts straight. Even the slowest learners among you trolls are doing much better than you.

          • avwrobel

            And if the ‘whitey’ video shows up, what will you do?

            • Docelder

              That would be very predictable.

              1. Say it isn’t Michelle and it is racist to think that all AA people look alike.
              2. Say it has been altered and edited to smear her.
              3. Say the whole thing was taken out of context.
              4. Say she was baited into saying it and that the whole event was a setup.
              5. Say it was deserved and more and that she is the real victim.

              Probably in that order, over a several month interval.

    • J.J. (The P.U.M.A.)

      I think that if he traveled using a British passport that does not mean he was born in Kenya. He would have had duel citizenship even if born in Hawaii. (I am not one of those who believe that duel citizenship at birth means you are not a natural born citizen).

      But, if he traveled with an Indonesian passport it is hard to see how he got one without asserting Indonesian citizenship. Even in that case, it is VERY unlikely that he would have been considered to have renounced his American Citizenship. There has to be an overt renunciation, not an implied one.

      I did a lot of research on this subject last summer (I am a lawyer) and concluded that the only way that Obama would not be a natural born citizen was if:

      a) He was not born in the USA, and
      b) His mother and father were legally married. (If not married the mother’s nationality would attach to the offspring. If married and under the age of 21, the mother’s nationality would not attach to a child born outside the USA).

      On Larry’s larger point, the press let this guy slip through without any scrutiny, just like they did with JFK. If we live long enough the full story will come out.

      • tminu

        Fortunately, JJ, it doesn’t matter what you think, only what the Constitution says. And it clearly says that the 14th amendment does not vet Article II s.1, only Article I, and Article II s.1 clearly differentiates NBC from U.S. Citizen, they are NOT the same thing at all. The 14th defines a U.S. Citizen as “born or naturalized” and since a NBC is never naturalized and further Article II separates NBC from U.S. Citizen, it’s obvious that a NBC is NOT a U.S. Citizen which is granted by statute, rather NBC is birthright to a nation–that’s critical that the two entities are understood to be separate as they are separated in the Constitution. The Constitution is upon the encyclopedic “The Law of Nations,” a treatise written by Swiss lawyer and diplomat Emerich de Vattel as a manual for how government should function. Written in 1758, this work was read not only by the Founding Fathers, but was also well-known throughout the colonies among the populace. (so “natural born” did not have to be defined in the Constitution – it was a common term, perhaps like the term “first down” in football or “home run” in baseball – it was a clearly understood term.)

        …in Book I, Chapter XIX, part 212, it says: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” Here is the definition the Founding Fathers did not deem necessary to supply since it was already understood. And since Obama’s father was a Kenyan citizen, Obama is therefore not a natural born citizen and is thus ineligible to be President.” (Basically, forget the birth certificate!!! This is ALL you need to follow the law and to understand the term from “those days”.)

        Here’s the link: http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

        Jus Soli Jus Sanguinus

        So your nonsense about where he was born or whether his parents were married is totally irrelevant! Even if was born in the White House, he’s not a NBC. NBC is determined at moment of birth; both parents must be US Citizens and the child born on US soil.

        It does no good to use the 14th to try to define NBC, they are NOT the same, as shown in Article II s. 1 by the clear word OR. In Boolean logic and law, “OR” means two different logical entities, without overlap.

        • J.J. (The PUMA)

          Judging from the tone of your comments, I assume you must have atended the Larry Johnson Charm School. The Congress has in the past defined who was considered to be a natural born citizen, and it is the prevailing law at the time of Barry’s birth that I relied on.

          If 5 members of the Supreme Court say that the Congress lacked the authority to “expand” the meaning of natural born, then you would be right. However, I highly doubt they would.

          • tminu

            No, dear, they’ve determined who was a US Citizen, and since a US Citizen is not the same thing as a Natural Born Citizen, the 14th is IRRELEVANT in definition of an NBC.

      • smrstrauss

        The way to find out if Obama traveled on a British passport is to call the British embassy. He never had a British passport. The way to find out if Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport is to call the Indonesian embasssy. He never traveled on an Indonesian passport.

        He traveled on a USA passport.

        • TeakWoodKite

          He traveled on a USA passport.

          And you know this how?

    • Ellen D

      It is possible for a U.S. citizen to travel to a country that the U.S, disapproves of (Cuba comes to mind)if they go to a third country and make the arrangement for the next leg there.

      • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

        Ellen
        When he traveled to Indonesia, Americans were barred from going there. Therefore he had to have a passport listing citizenship of another country that was allowed to go there. Funny he does not mind us knowing that he smokes, did pot and cocaine and hung out with a known communist in Frank Marshall Davis, a possibility for his father instead of Obama, but we cannot see any of the grades, or papers from his college years?

        • lorac

          My understanding is that it was a travel advisory, not a legal restriction. But even if it were, what would an American law have to do with what Indonesia would allow? It would have been Indonesia itself allowing or not allowing someone to come over their borders, and they had no such rule that Americans couldn’t come into their country. In other words, any American restriction isn’t proof that Obama had a foreign passport.

          Not defending that fraud, as I’d like to see the truth come out as well – but I’ve often seen this “proof” written about, but I think it’s not proof of anything, and makes people discredit the push for transparency.

          • Chris Vosburg

            Not defending that fraud, as I’d like to see the truth come out as well -

            Yes, [laughing[ of course you would.

            Young Barack’s mom and dad broke up and she remarried an indonesian student at the university.

            As you may recall, Hurricane Suharto hit in Indonesia, and demanded a return to the homeland of all indonesians abroad, which meant Barry’s stepdad, which meant Barry’s mom by virtue of the marriage, which meant Barry, by virtue of accounta they is his folks and stuff.

            That’s pretty much the whole deal. Unsurprisingly, our current president wound his way back to the US, and has been here ever since.

            Kind of a cool story, huh?

        • DVD

          Um…

          When did the United States ever bar Americans from traveling to Indonesia?

          • TeakWoodKite

            DVD…How many passports do you have?

            • Ferd Berfle

              LMAO

        • Kaleokualoha

          Davis was not a “known communist.” He became a closet member of the CPUSA during WWII. There is no way that Obama would have know of that history.

        • smrstrauss

          Americans were never barred from going to Indonesia. For that matter, Americans were never barred from going to Pakistan.

      • aeguy

        He said all he did was study while attending Columbia. If that’s the case, then he should have done well. I don’t know why he doesn’t want his transcripts released. Maybe it’s not about the grades (how could he get into Harvard Law School with a low gpa?), maybe he did not want to disclose particular courses he took. Perhaps courses on Marxism or Islam that would have hurt his campaign due to the rumors that he is a Marxist and Muslim, the latter being an offensive accusation as if there is something wrong even if he was. He wanted to avoid any campaign trouble.

        But then again, why wouldn’t he want to release his law school records?

        And just curious here, but did Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton release all their academic records?

        • tek

          aeguy: Yes they did. There is absolutely nothing about Bill and hillary Americans don’t know because the Republicans investigated them so many times and never came up with anything–still, the Obama Democrats spread the same lies about the Clintons the Republicans spread. No difference in my opinion. It’s one thing I hate about Barack Obama that he signed on to that slander.

          • Chris Vosburg

            There is absolutely nothing about Bill and hillary Americans don’t know because the Republicans investigated them so many times and never came up with anything

            Right on. The most interesting thing about the Rose Law firm billing records is that they revealed that Hillary is that rarest of all things– a lawyer who didn’t overbill a client.

          • Chris Vosburg

            Incidentally, Tek, if my point is too subtle, I’m sorry, and here it is:

            You know everything there is to know about Bill and Hillary Clinton because of a– yes, Hillary was quite correct– “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” which poured endless time and effort and dollars into a desperate and ultimately fruitless effort to somehow bring him down. The Newt congress was there to help, both houses determined to somehow, anyhow, bring him down.

            And if I’m not mistaken, Tek, you would like very much to see this happen again, only this time to Barack Obama.

            Sorta counterproductive, don’t you think?

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          I am not aware of ANY politician who has released their college transcripts. That’s why this whole thing is so ridiculous! Why on earth should he release that information? And why on earth should anyone think what his grades were in 1983 when he was 22 years old are relevant.

          Many people simply don’t take all of their college courses seriously.

          Let me guess, Bill Gates is a dumb ass because he dropped out of school?

          *rolls eyes*

          Obviously Sotomayor’s grades are being made public because they were exceptionally good. And I do not doubt that if Obama’s were exceptionally good at Columbia that they would have been released.

          Remember, Obama did graduate with honors from Harvard, so it’s not like the dude ain’t smart. It’s more likely that he just started to take things a bit more seriously as he got older, as many of us do.

          It’s just so frustrating to me that people are still having these kind of childish arguments.

          • MrMike

            It’s just so frustrating to me that people are still having these kind of childish arguments.

            Turnabout is fair play. The Bots made much of John McCain’s Annapolis class rank.
            Bush and Kerry’s mediocre grades were mention during the 2004 race.
            So, why not Obama’s?

            • ConfusedAmerican

              Hey they are still tearing about Palin for her college years and she is no longer running.

          • elise

            A graduation with honors at Harvard requires a thesis. Where is it? Each department selects it’s honor students based on different criteria, but all require a paper.

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          And how many of us would want to be judged by our grades in college and what courses we took? I certainly wouldn’t. I honestly didn’t take a lot of my college classes seriously. Does that mean I’m not bright? I’m pretty sure it doesn’t. I got good grades when I tried. I got high test scores and I have a high IQ. It simply means I didn’t always give it my all in college.

          This whole line of “reasoning” just makes me shake my head. I think it comes from a place of hatred. Some people hate Obama so much that they are looking for anything that fits into their opinion about him. So they put him up to a standard that they would never put anyone else up to.

          • Ferd Berfle

            This whole line of “reasoning” just makes me shake my head. I think it comes from a place of hatred.

            Oh, stop it, melodramatic one. I have said many times on this website (as have others) that there are only three reasons that That One shouldn’t be POTUS.

            1. He is unqualified.
            2. He is unfit.
            3. He is dangerous.

            You’ll notice that none of those reasons has anything to do with color. Moreover, none of the regulars here have ever engaged in racism. No, the only racism has always come from extremists from the left and right. Which one are you?

            • PainkillerJayne

              yeah Ferd amd lil Kim is laughing at him…..what was that rocket number 5?

              • Ferd Berfle

                Afternoon, PK.

                Poor Oblahblah–the entire world is picking on little old him, huh? All these problems makes it hard for him to pander so as to fulfill his need to attention. He Jonesin’ about now, I’ll bet.

                • Docelder

                  See to him, he “is” what we project onto him, as he has described himself as an empty canvas. He will blow a gasket when enough start to see the truth.

                  • TeakWoodKite

                    So instead of having no clothes, I take it BO has no pigment for the canvas?

                    The truth for me is I do not care what his grades actually are, it is only that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees keeping them sealed.

                    We know he has a history of drug use by his own admission.
                    (“never smack”) What else about BO is not fit for the light of day?

                    • Tiger

                      The truth for me is I do not care what his grades actually are, it is only that he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees keeping them sealed.

                      Why would you think Obama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees keeping them sealed? How could anyone sue him to force him or the universities to release his transcripts? You just made that up, right?

                    • TeakWoodKite

                      Tiger, as a kite, I have been known to tell a good story, but you can’t make this S*hit up.

                      AP- WASHINGTON D.C.- In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California

                      Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their20investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.

                    • TeakWoodKite

                      My point is… I am not the one makin this stuff up and as this story has been de-bunked (Snoopes) the dollar amount has been documented.

                      In from the tip line, the Politico is reporting that the Obama campaign fund is still in full operation. The posting includes this very interesting tid-bit:

                      Other interesting payments during the first three months of the year, the period covered by Wednesday’s report, included $688,000 in legal fees to the firm of Bob Bauer ? the top lawyer for the campaign, the Democratic National Committee, the Obama political group Organizing for America, and the Obama family ? and $6,400 to a firm founded by Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden.

                    • TeakWoodKite
                  • Ferd Berfle

                    I’m waiting for That One’s major melt-down that’s a-comin’. He doesn’t like criticism.

                  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

                    I wondered how many of his narcissistic neurons would blow out if someone painted, “You Suck!” on his empty canvas.

                • Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

                  But, but, don’t you see…. it’s because he’s, he’s …………. not a old white dude.

                  Stop the low expectation excuse fest!

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    it’s because he’s, he’s …………. not a old white dude.

                    Nope–he threw that half of him under the bus.

            • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

              Where did I mention race there? I mentioned hatred. I don’t know why some folks here hate Obama so much – all I know is that it leads to extreme irrationality.

              • Docelder

                I don’t hate him, but it does annoy me to no end to try to listen to him. It is that infernal stop-start and mutilate the language cadence of his. It is really difficult for me to try to listen to him.

                • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

                  Right. I suppose we all like different speaking styles. Obviously you are in the minority in your preference. I think he comes across as quite eloquent when he speaks. In fact, in my opinion, he’s a far better speaker than a President (thus far.)

                  • Jules

                    I think he comes across as quite eloquent when he speaks

                    Don’t you mean when he *reads*. He is an absolutely horrible speaker when he’s not reading off his teleprompter.

                    • Bella in Florida

                      I totally agree with you. A few days ago Hillary was on T.V and she was speaking about Iran if I remember correctly and I was so impressed as usual at how well- spoken and how knowledgeable she is when she speaks. She had no notes nor she was reading a teleprompter. That to me, is a good orator not someone who has to read every single thing he says.

              • SWPAnnA

                Any of us who submitted to an FBI background check for a part time job are aware of the dossier collected about one’s associates. Computer programmers would never be given security clearance to access government systems without a clean, transparent history. The Post Office wants you to account for every job you’ve had in the last ten years to sort mail during Christmas. The State Police go over your driving records before you can work in a nuclear plant. Too many gaps in your story and you get no job. They check your credit, run your finger prints and make you pee in a cup to work security at a ballpark.

              • SWPAnnA

                Any of us who submitted to an FBI background check for a part time job are aware of the dossier collected about one’s associates. Computer programmers would never be given security clearance to access government systems without a clean, transparent history. The Post Office wants you to account for every job you’ve had in the last ten years to sort mail during Christmas. The State Police go over your driving records before you can work in a nuclear plant. Too many gaps in your story and you get no job. They check your credit, run your finger prints and make you pee in a cup to work security at a ballpark. Citizens who take their vote seriously expect some of these answers from a guy who won Iowa by questioning HRC’s “Judgment” for her vote on Iran. By this whole line of reasoning we who must listen to his litany about America’s wrongs reject Manchurian Candidate mystique.

              • TeakWoodKite

                The bible thumpin gun toten god fearin haters? Those that BO spat on from “on high”? Them???

            • Chris Vosburg

              I have said many times on this website (as have others) that there are only three reasons that That One shouldn’t be POTUS.

              1. He is unqualified.
              2. He is unfit.
              3. He is dangerous.

              Which is why people suspect an ulterior motive for your opposition, Ferd.

              See, your three reasons are subjective, and in fact your second is simply a restatement of your first using a synonym.

              The third, I think it goes without saying, is simple hysteria of the first order and not really a reason for anything (except perhaps the “white fright” component of the person making the statement).

              That said, here’s the real problem: you’re answering the hypothetical question “why isn’t Obama fit to be President?” by simply saying “because he isn’t fit to be President.”

              Which begs the question of why you feel he isn’t fit to be President and that’s where the fun really starts: you’ll walk yourself right into one of the number of irrelevancies or simple and easily debunked lies that have plagued this website for the last couple of years.

              At that point, any observer without a dog in the fight will discern the obvious: that you have an objection to Obama which cannot be explained in logical terms. Could be his haircut or his tone of voice, but more typically it’s a deep-seated antipathy to the idea of having a black person be the boss of the country. And therefore, you.

              So that’s where that comes from, and you have only yourself to blame. Make a lucid argument or not, it’s your choice, but don’t complain if you’re taken for a dumb cracker if you can’t, don’t, or won’t.

              • mel

                Here is a simple reason why Obama is unfit to be POTUS, he is a pathological liar!

                He even went so far as to continue his lies over his father being part of the Kennedy airlift and being a product of Selma in a church, can’t deny that can you!

                Then someone who will lie blatently ina church, what good are his words he swears on a bible to uphold the Constitution of the UNITED STATES worth?

                He is unfit in everything when he feels it fit to lie in a house of worship!

                • Chris Vosburg

                  mel writes: He even went so far as to continue his lies over his father being part of the Kennedy airlift

                  Thanks for that, mel, I couldn’t hope for a more perfect example of what I’m talking about.

                  There was no “Kennedy Airlift”, for starters. The program was the brainchild of Kenyan Nationalist Tom Mboya who hit the US in 1959 seeking contributions for his cause: to get Kenyans outta Kenya.

                  Many contributed: Jackie Robinson, Sidney Poitier, etc, and of course, the Kennedys. But the Kennedys didn’t contribute until 1960, and Barack Obama senior got his flight outta Dodge via this program in 1959.

                  So, strictly speaking, I guess you could say that the Kennedys’ contribution didn’t cover the flight of Barack’s Dad, but again, and this is what I’m talking about: so what? Whose contribution did, Jackie Robinson’s or Sidney Poiter’s?

                  Who cares? You, that’s who, and anyone else obsessed with this completely trivial wambulance chasing bullshit.

                • Chris Vosburg

                  Mel helps to make my point for me: He even went so far as to continue his lies over his father being part of the Kennedy airlift

                  Thanks for that, mel, I couldn’t hope for a more perfect example of what I’m talking about.

                  There was no “Kennedy Airlift”, for starters. The program was the brainchild of Kenyan Nationalist Tom Mboya who hit the US in 1959 seeking contributions for his cause: to get Kenyans outta Kenya.

                  Many contributed: Jackie Robinson, Sidney Poitier, etc, and of course, the Kennedys. But the Kennedys didn’t contribute until 1960, and Barack Obama senior got his flight outta Dodge via this program in 1959.

                  So, strictly speaking, I guess you could say that the Kennedys’ contribution didn’t cover the flight of Barack’s Dad, but again, and this is what I’m talking about: so what? Whose contribution did, Jackie Robinson’s or Sidney Poiter’s?

                  Who cares? You, that’s who, and anyone else obsessed with this completely trivial wambulance chasing.

          • ConfusedAmerican

            Guess what A-Nony-Mouse many of us have to turn over our college transcripts as part of our job interviewing process. Hate to tell you but most prospective employers do look at your grades prior to interviewing for college level type jobs, especially in the field of education…(and teachers just happen to get paid the least).

            • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

              I’ve had a number of job interviews in my life and I’ve never been asked for transcripts. The one time I was going to be asked for them was when I was considering becoming a teacher at one point. I decided not to go to that interview and not because my grades were particularly bad, they were OK but because I just decided being a teacher isn’t what I wanted to do.

              • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

                They usually don’t want them for 5.00 jobs.

              • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

                They usually don’t want them for 5.00/hr jobs.

                • Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

                  ROTFLMAO! That’s a good one!

                  Stop the hopefest!

                • PainkillerJayne

                  lmfao Betsy!!!!!!!!!

              • Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

                nonsene- mouse:

                And all the children THANK YOU!

                Stop the I could of been a contenderfest!

          • jbjd

            I was a Chancellor’s Scholar for Excellence (in Academics) in a college with no grades; we earned Competencies. That is, we had to establish our competence in the course to receive credit. Then, I attended a law school with no grades, just pass/fail. So, if you saw my grades, this would not tell you, whether I was smart. It certainly could not tell you whether I would make a competent Justice.

        • Chicago Joe

          How did he get in Harvard without good grades (if that is the case)? See news stories today about the University of Illinois’ clout list. Barack was clouted by one of his benefactors.

    • DVD

      Excellent questions…

      I suggest you ask Les Kilsolving to bring these questions up.

    • Tiger

      Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
      A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

      Can you link to any proof that you couldn’t use an American passport to travel to Pakistan in 1981? I’ve seen a lot of people write that but I’ve never been able to find proof of that. Thank you.

    • smrstrauss

      Re: “Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.”

      No it wasn’t. Pakistan was relatively peaceful in 1981 and it encouraged tourists, and the USA–which regarded Pakistan as an ally–never had them on a no travel list.

      So Obama could, and did, travel to Pakistan on a US passport, and by the way, he never had an Indonesian passport, which you can find out for yourself by simply calling the Indonesian embassy.

    • smrstrauss

      He did not travel on a British passport (ask the British embassy). He did not travel on an Indonesian passport. He was never an Indonesian citizen, so never had an Indonesian passport. Ask the Indonesian embassy.

      • WhatNow

        Obama/Soetoro is listed as an Indonesian Citizen in his school records from Indonesia. The only way for him to attend school as a child in Indonesia is to be a Indonesian Citizen.

        AP had published a photo of his school records from Indonesia during the primaries.

        The only way the truth will come out is IF Obama/Soetoro becomes transparent (don’t hold your breath on that) otherwise, he will ALWAYS have dis-information published about him. He probably prefers NOT to have personal transparency

        • PainkillerJayne

          “hello Indonesian Embassy? This is PainkillerJayne from NQ. I would like to know if Barack Obama….what….oh I mean Barry Sotero had an Indonesian passport? click hello? hello? can you hear me now? hello?”

    • smrstrauss

      The simple way to find out if Obama ever had a British passport is to call the British embassy and ask. He didn’t. The simple way to find out if Obama ever had an Indonesian passport is to call the Indonesian embassy and ask. He didn’t.

      He traveled on a US passport.

    • smrstrauss

      Re: “Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
      A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.”

      This is total baloney. Pakistan was not on the no-travel list in 1981, and it did not bar US citizens from visiting. The reverse, it encouraged them to visit, with an office of Pakistan International Airlines on Fifth Avenue in New York and flights by that airline to Pakistan.

      How did Obama get the money for the trip? I suspect that his schoolmates, whom he traveled with, may have had some money.

    • smrstrauss

      Re: Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
      A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.”

      No Pakistan was NOT on the no-travel list. Even ordinary tourists went to Pakistan in 1981, when it was relatively peaceful, and to encourage tourists Pakistan granted 30-day visas to US citizens at the airports.

      Pakistan was never on the no-travel list of the US State Department, and it certainly wasn’t in 1981.

      So Obama could go on a US passport, and he did because he never had an Indonesian passport.

      • ConfusedAmerican

        So what are your sources….Just curious.
        Did you call either of the embassies?

  • kat in your hat

    I wonder if Oblow was ushered through his academic career by political foster parents with pull. It’s kinda like how the top athletes get a ride through college before going pro. Maybe Oblow was scouted back in school for the big political game.

    Oblow probably missed half of his classes gettin’ high.

    • WhatNow

      Obama was sponsored by a Harvard alumni, also his father was a Harvard alumni. The person who sponsored him was on ABC news during the primaries and said he was asked by a Saudi Prince (who paid for Obama’s education) to sponsor Obama.

  • hokma

    Larry.
    Do you really know what is in the beverage you are drinking or why it is so important to have certain features in that expensive car you drive. It is illusions that are created using marketing.

    Barack Obama is an illusion created using exception marketing strategies. They presented to voters what they wanted to see and left out what they did not want to see.

    Sotomayor, like he or not, is REAL. Obama is an illusion.

    • Docelder

      You are reading my mind here. Yes, he is a “brand”. I am unfamiliar with the term exception marketing. But yes like any brand, it exists mainly in the mind. I still think that awkward cadence style is a part in it all. I think the awkwardness of the cadence and missed wording overwhelms and thereby bypasses some peoples critical thinking centers of the brain. The people it doesn’t work on, just get irritated at his voice and can’t understand why. It is some hybrid of NLP or something akin to it.

      • hokma

        I am unfamiliar with the term exception marketing

        So am I:) I meant “exceptional” and it was one of the best marketing cases ever.

        Ironically this could only have been done with an inexperienced politician who could stay on message and not use bad habits seasoned politicians pick up.

        His problem is that you can pull that off one time. After that if your “brand” does not pay off it’s promise then the brand is done. As time goes on the Obama brand will be destroyed by his own actions.

        • SWPAnnA

          Marketing an illusion then delivering disillusion is ‘bait and switch’ which would have earned Sears or Proctor & Gamble healthy fines.

  • Peggy Sue

    I suspect if Barack Obama graduated at the top of his class or with Summa honors, we would have heard about it, ad infinitum.

    Instead, we’re to accept his “brilliance.”

    Sorry, the man is “not” off to a brilliant start and the lack of records has always disturbed me.

    • Slim Tyranny

      Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, putting him in the top 10% of his graduating class.

      • tminu

        Well without transcripts, we don’t know if that wasn’t bought (by his rich Saudi benefactors) like all his other diplomas may have been…he’s even hiding the diplomas, admissions records as well as grades, from Punahau on, and nobody from Columbia remembers him FROM HIS OWN ’83 POLYSCI CLASS! Witnesses state he went to Occidental as a foreign student. He has zero credibility in anything he says. All of his historic pictures, his COLB, newspaper announcements are 100% photoshop. He’s a total FRAUD.

        • smrstrauss

          Re: “Witnesses state he went to Occidental as a foreign student.”

          Names please?

          You will find that there is no article quoting anyone by name saying that Obama was a foreign student.

      • inconsiderable wretch

        People who rank this high at major law schools are usually quite articulate and do not have to rely on a teleprompter.

      • WhatNow

        Slim Tyranny | 2009-05-29 13:03:42
        Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, putting him in the top 10% of his graduating class.
        *******************

        Where’s your proof? This is an internet rumor that has surfaced but without proof of anykind, it’s just an internet fantasy.

        • TeakWoodKite

          just an internet fantasy…

          The “Lords Prayer” as heard between the ears of an Obot:

          I understand about indecision
          But I dont care if I get behind
          People livin in competition
          All I want is to have my peace of mind.

          Screw the facts. Amen.

    • listing starboard

      Absolutely. If he any honors or accolades for his intellect they would be posted on hundreds of liberal blogs,websites etc. I read somewhere that right after the inauguration Obama issued an Executive Order to have his “records” sealed? Is this possibly true?

      • smrstrauss

        Re: “I read somewhere that right after the inauguration Obama issued an Executive Order to have his “records” sealed? Is this possibly true?”

        Answer: Not possibly true. The executive order of a president would not have any validity on states such as Hawaii, which can have records private or public at their discretion, and would have no validity on colleges such as Occidental, though there are older privacy laws that do apply. In any case, there is no excutive order that relates to Obama’s birth or university records.

        • WhatNow

          There MAY not be an executive order, but……..the states and universities have blocked the release of information because Obama/Soetoro has requested that he wants no transparency and doesn’t want any of his private information known. That’s why he has spent so much money blocking the information. The only route left is the legal system. LOL.

          • smrstrauss

            Re: the states and universities have blocked the release of information because Obama/Soetoro has requested that he wants no transparency and doesn’t want any of his private information known.

            The birth certificate that Obama has released is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only information that Hawaii releases to everyone.

            The college records are private.

            • ConfusedAmerican

              The BC on the internet is NOT The only type of BC that Hawaii releases. Several Hawaiians have come forward with their BCs from that time and present time…

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Is it only me or is it strange he was supposed to be first black man as president of the “law review” or something at college yet no writings of his for this paper can be found….

      • Ferd Berfle

        As with his current position, he was just a figurehead. I don’t think That One has worked a day in his life. Shiftless slacker comes to mind.

        • avwrobel

          I agree Ferd, but I’ve always wondered what ‘shiftless’ meant? It seems to be a type of racist adjective applied by simple Southern whites to any black they happened to take a dislike to. I’m not calling you racist Ferd, but you got me thinking about that word.

          • Ferd Berfle

            Shiftless was actually used by my Mother, who is Australian by birth. I don’t think she could be characterized as racist. She used it to describe anyone who could find ways to not contribute to society but didn’t mind taking from that society. There are a lot of whites that fit that description.

            • TeakWoodKite

              President Thomas Whitmore: I saw… its thoughts. I saw what they’re planning to do. They’re like locusts. They’re moving from planet to planet… their whole civilization. After they’ve consumed every natural resource they move on… and we’re next. Nuke ‘em. Let’s nuke the bastards.

        • inconsiderable wretch

          “As with his present position, he was just a figurehead.” Absolutely right on.

        • Chris Vosburg

          I don’t think That One has worked a day in his life. Shiftless slacker comes to mind.

          Paging Willie Best.

  • Docelder

    When I read the title, the first thing I thought of was that the judge seems to be a very “real” person. You can sense that to hear her speak. Obama not so much. He told us everything up front, had anybody really listened. He said he was an “empty canvas” that others projected onto. So he is an empty canvas, nothing by itself without the adoration and expectation of others. So much is clear, now that we can see plainly.

  • HARP

    I`m still waiting for someone to tell me which years he and his mother were on food stamps.

    • kato

      Now that we know how he decieptfully uses words to his advantage I’ve come to the belief that what he really meant by food stamps is that they had a meal ticket, in the financial sense.

    • WhatNow

      I would like to know also, especially since that program didn’t come to Hiwaii until after Obama/Soetoro lived with his grandparents.

  • susan h

    Suddenly an “unknown” “poor” (by his own admission) community organizer (he was already in Chicago and working in that job) decides to go to law school and he gets admitted to Harvard. As you know, it is very rigorous to get into Harvard, besides the $$$$$ it costs, you need recommendations and connections. Obama says he was earning something like $13,000 or $23,000 a year as a C.O. and he gets into Harvard. So who was paying the bills? Who recommended him? Did he get a scholarship? If so, what kind? Rumors are out there that pro-palestinians paid for his education, and/or he got a scholarship based on being a “foreign” student (comes from Indonesia, born to a Kenyan father, etc. etc.). But of course THE RECORDS ARE SEALED and Obama is carrying on multiple deceptions with the American public.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      We published a story on who supposedly financed his education but I’m drawing a blank on the search terms needed to find it. I’ll ask the writer’s list.

      – SusanUnPC

      • jbjd
        • PainkillerJayne

          Susan I want to say the name was Kaladi..

        • tminu

          Khalid al Mansour funneled money via a rich Saudi benefactor.
          That’s why Obama was the Mansourian Candidate.

      • TeakWoodKite

        The NYC councilman arg!

      • FrenchNail

        Percy Sutton recommanded him at Harvard on the personnal guidance from another ex-black panther (cannot remember the name but it has a Mulsim origin) and who was at the time the personal adviser of the brother or uncle of the King of Saudi Arabia. And at Columbia he was recommanded by a white philantropist (woman) from Kenya.

      • Chicago Joe

        Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq Al-Mansour

    • smrstrauss

      Re: “But of course THE RECORDS ARE SEALED and Obama is carrying on multiple deceptions with the American public.”

      The records are not sealed. They are private.

  • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

    He is just like Sotomayor…they both hate their honky counterparts.

    Obama sat in a hate whitey/hate America church for 20 years.

    Sotomayor thinks she’ll make “better” decisions as a latina female than white cracker honkey judges, by her own admission.

    • trixta

      Her comment was dumb and ill-chosen hyperbole to make a point: that judges should come from a wide pool of perspectives and backgrounds, rather than from one single class, gender, or racial/ethnic group. I believe she has apologized for the comment. In any case, I really don’t believe she thinks she’s racially superior, etc.

      • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

        Just words? Just speeches?

        The key word is “better”. Not different or diverse, but better than, because apparently us whities are jus’ too stoopid.

      • Animal Control

        You made the point rather well without using racial/gender/class references and so should a sitting judge. In the law these kind of statements are referred to as “excitable utterances” and have the value of allowable evidence.

        Your statement is much more reasonable/benign than hers. I believe we have to be real careful with accepting anything Obama proposes. IMHO

      • WhatNow

        She hasn’t apoligized, and not the spin starts as to what she meant. How about, Sotomayor can have a news conference and explain to the American public, in HER OWN WORDS what she meant.

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      She didn’t say that at all. Read her comment in context. What she said is that everyone’s background influences their perceptions (obviously! And when Alito said the same thing nobody was up in arms about it) She actually said that it’s important to try and look past your own personal experience and to try and understand the perspective of others. It makes me so sad that people are reading these comments out of context and then attacking her in this baseless way. It just shows how unthinking people are. So ready to attack based on one quip. Imagine if people were to judge you so quickly on every single thing you said – on just one sentence taken entirely out of context. Empathy. Get some!

      • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

        WRONG-O OBOT

        “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,”

        BETTER conclusion. Got that BETTER.

        Spin away, obot, but Sotomayor is still a racist.

        bet⋅ter1  /ˈbɛtər/ Show Spelled [bet-er] Show IPA
        –adjective, compar. of good with best as superl.
        1.of superior quality or excellence: a better coat; a better speech.
        2.morally superior; more virtuous: They are no better than thieves.
        3.of superior suitability, advisability, desirability, acceptableness, etc.; preferable: a better time for action.
        4.larger; greater: the better part of a lifetime.
        5.improved in health; healthier than before.
        6.completely recovered in health.
        –adverb, compar. of well with best as superl.
        7.in a more appropriate or acceptable way or manner: to behave better

        • sandi78

          How can you take 32 words from a very long lecture, completely out of context, and think they prove anything at all? Have you read the whole lecture? If not, you have no idea what you are talking about.

          Here is the full text of her lecture:

          http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15judge.text.html?_r=1

          • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

            I read the full text and she’s still a racist. Point out how her statement is “taken out of context.”

            Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O’Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O’Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.

            • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

              Her point is that backgrounds do make a difference in how you see the world and how make decisions as a judge. The difference with her is that her background is that of a Hispanic woman instead of that of a rich white male like over 95% of our Supreme Court justices to date.

              And she said “I would hope…” that’s a pretty big qualifier. Not to mention that I’ve heard this and it sounds much different than it reads. ie – it’s clear from her tone that she isn’t being entirely serious with that last line.

              I’m sure she wishes she hadn’t said it now just because people LOOOOOOVE to make a huge deal out of any one comment and just repeat it over and over again. Luckily I think most people are adult enough to look past this kind of childishness.

            • http://www.lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com whoframedrudy

              “Justice O’Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases.”

              Ideally, that’s true. If it were true in reality, there would be no need to diversify the judiciary. In fact, it’s not true. Sotomayor listed several examples in court history to show its not true. That’s why it is important to diversify the court.

              O’Connor’s own record proves it’s not true. She’s a brilliant woman who joined in one of the dumbest rulings in Supreme Court history. Bowers vs. Hardwick, where she ruled gays don’t have the same constitutional rights as straights. To her credit, O’Connor later reversed herself in Lawrence vs. Texas: “Bowers’ rationale does not withstand careful analysis.” Wise as she is, O’Connor had to be educated on how wrong she was.

              That’s the thrust of Sotomayor’s speech. In theory, judges rule only on facts/law. In reality, that is not true. Judges are not perfect. Therefore the judiciary must be diversified. She’ll have no problem clarifying her ‘wise Latina’ comment in her confirmation hearings.

          • tminu

            So she’s the descendant of Spaniards and European?

            Frick, she’s just a European, and whiter than half of Europe at that.

            Latina/Hispanic is not a race it’s an ethnicity.

          • http://www.lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com whoframedrudy

            So right, sandi78. The Supreme Court isn’t Twitter. And Sotomayor isn’t Henny Youngman. Her ‘wise Latina’ comment was not a Tweet. It was not a text message. It was not a ‘one-liner.’

            She’ll have no trouble explaining the ‘wise Latina’ comment in her confirmation hearings. I’m sure she will apologize for not speaking more precisely in that one sentence.

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          Can any of you folks make an argument without calling people names or assuming things about those you are arguing with? Please try arguing based entirely on the facts. If you have to fall back on name calling and straw man arguments and putting people into categories with no evidence then that most likely means your arguments are too weak to stand up on their own.

          —

          OK, now on to the subject at hand. Please note the first part of that quote “I would hope.” Please also note that you have cut out everything before and after this quote – on it’s own it may appear to you to be a negative thing. But what if they are talking specifically about a certain subject? What if this was said in a somewhat “winking” manner? Can you be sure that if every single thing you ever said was cut out in a paragraph that it couldn’t be twisted to make you seem like all kinds of different people?

          To say that this person is a “RACIST” based on this one quote is just absolutely disgusting. I’m sorry, there’s no other way to say it. You really must look into your own soul and ask yourself what this life is all about. Because what you’re doing just plain isn’t right. And there’s no excuse for it.

  • indiedogg

    All good questions.

    Perhaps we can start small (this one has always bothered me because “Where there’s no smoke, somebody’s put out the fire” or something like that):

    We know all about Michelle’s senior thesis (about feeling un-loved at Princeton). We can read it (I have a copy if anyone needs it).

    We cannot read our President’s senior thesis (yes, you do write one at Columbia, as you do at Princeton, Michelle’s alma mater).

    But, for me, even more telling:

    What was the TITLE of Barack Obama’s senior thesis?

    They won’t even divulge the title of his thesis, much less the thesis itself.

    A related question. Do private records, once a POTUS is elected, become public, or at least subject to the Freedom of Information Act? Can someone answer that? Or does it only apply to materials produced during the time of office (the standard I suspect). If it does not apply to other records (pre-dating election), it should.

    Is there anyone who thinks the citizens of a nation should not be able to read the “scholarly” (keeping the quote marks until I read it myself) thesis written by it’s President/Leader?

    But, while we’re waiting to answer that one, how about just telling us what you wrote ABOUT.

    That would be a nice start toward “transparency.”

    The only transparency in this administration to date is the transparency of it’s efforts to avoid any topic or question not of it’s choosing.

    • Chris Vosburg

      We cannot read our President’s senior thesis (yes, you do write one at Columbia, as you do at Princeton, Michelle’s alma mater).

      As a spokesman for Columbia pointed out, this was not a requirement of undergraduate students in 1983, the year Obama cleared Columbia, thus there simply isn’t a “senior thesis.”

      However, Obama did attend an “honors seminar” course in which he submitted a paper the professor of the course has described as a thesis.

      Run with it. And run and run and run.

      • Chris Vosburg

        God help me, it’s like they’re hamsters running in the wheel; there’s something sort of oddly hypnotic about watching them…

        Oh fuck, did I say that out loud?

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Obama will always be a fraud until his past is revealed. The problem is that when that past is revealed we’ll all know just how big of a fraud he really is.

    Those with the keys to unlock those documents, or discover the lack thereof, need to do the country a favor. They need to do the right thing.

    Do we only have politicians in WA DC and no patriots?

    If he wasn’t a fraud he would have no need to hide his truth. Problem is his truth and what he sells are two different things.

    • Chris Vosburg

      Obama will always be a fraud until his past is revealed. The problem is that when that past is revealed we’ll all know just how big of a fraud he really is.

      In order to evaluate your comment, I’ll need a date of birth, true name, social security number, medical record, college transcript, current address, the addresses of all friends, relatives, and acquaintances, you know, for validity’s sake.

      If you do not provide these, well, what am I left to assume but that you are a fraud?

  • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

    The school is thanks to Khalid Al-Mansour who was the money behind the man then and still is. He is an advisor for saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal. He is a black muslim and black nationalist. Obama, it has been proven in intellectual circles of writers did not write his book dreams from my father. Bill Ayers did. I am not saying it, writing specialists who have analyzed the book and know the writing style of Ayers say it. They say the first writings of Obama were inept and childish and there is no way he wrote that book. They also say that references and style of the book match Ayers. Obama was almost out of time on his advance for the book and was no where it is proven, and went to Ayers with his notes, Ayers had nothing come out during the time he was writing for Obama, and he wrote the book for him.
    I have been talking about this forever and no one wants to listen and I have been told to take off the foil hat.
    The people have been lied to, and made fools of, and frauded! This man is not American and needs to be removed from office as soon as possible before he does things that can NEVER be repaired.

    • NomNomNom

      I agree with you patriotparty1.
      Interestingly, Al-Mansour is also on the board of the African Leadership Academy, as is Carly Fiorina, the McCain advisor.
      http://www.africanleadershipacademy.org/site/about/governors_and_advisors/
      Here is Percy Sutton (lawyer for Malcolm X) discussing Al-Mansour’s connection to BHO’s education.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcC0QAd0Ug&eurl=http://townhall.com/blog
      Al-Mansour is also a financial advisor to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, friend of the Bushies.
      Here is a pic of Prince bin Talal doing business with Neil Bush in 2006.
      http://www.libanmall.com/alwaleed72.htm
      Here is an article on the prince’s stake in FOX News.
      http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/1109
      Here is one on his largest shareholder 9bn stake in Citigroup for which he received bailout money:
      http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff273.htm
      Can you say fascism? Sure, I knew you could.

    • Chris Vosburg

      I have been talking about this forever and no one wants to listen and I have been told to take off the foil hat.

      Good advice.

      Obama was hired on as an editor for the Law Review in his first year at Harvard. In his second year, he made editor in chief and found himself the subject of much media scrutiny as the first black guy to have hit that spot.

      Naturally, as such, book offers followed. Thus begat “Dreams of My Father” a more personal memoir than I think the publisher was looking for, and I believe he followed up with another book.

      I’m assuming that you’ve read neither of them. So, yes, clearly, Obama’s writing skills are in question.

      [muttering about hamsters and wheels...]

  • elliewyatt

    A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science. He did not receive honors, Mr. Connolly said, though specific information on his grades is sealed.

    http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

  • T

    Obviously his grades were not stellar, nor even that good. However, his followers don’t give a rat’s hiney about those things because he is the Messiah.

    Please make a note of it! ;-) .

    • tminu

      I don’t think he even did the work for his degrees at all. I think they were bought for him.

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Okay, so now there are basically two pieces out of a thousand.

    I’ve never doubted that the Obama Myth being sold to the American people was nothing but a fraud.

    So count me as one who is listening.

  • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

    Ask your contacts Larry, someone there knows the truth. Like Betsy asked, are there only politicians in DC or any patriots? We know there are no patriots in the media any more or they would have already ferroted this one out. If the main stream started beating the subject, it would come out, but they have been bought and paid for.
    As I said here the other day, other countries know the truth also. Maybe Saudi Arabia, maybe Iran, maybe England (would explain why is attitude with them, and his appeasement of the muslims). Maybe Isreal, they know everything. I hope Bibi knows so he can keep him in line. Just how far will he go, how far will he sell us out to keep himself in power and the truth quiet?

    • Ellen D

      If foreign governments have something on Obama, it will leak out, so there’s no point in trying to keep it concealed here.

      My bet is it will come out in the Telegraph.

    • MN in SN

      Please wakeup. The two people actully running the white house are Emanuel & Ass-rod, both commited Jews. Really think they’re going to let him do anything pro-Islam, except as empty deception?

      • WhatNow

        MN in SN- Axelrod is not a Jew, and Emanuel hates Israel because of a personal experience he had in Israel. So …. Israel is on its own.

      • b mathews

        doesnt anyone wonder why, right after obama won the (s)election, he went to hawwaii and rham emanuel went to africa?? not hard to imagine he paid off some corrupt official there to destroy any records showing where obama was born. why else would rham go to africa of all places?

  • Babs

    I am pretty sure he got into Harvard as a legacy admission, because of this father. He could not have gotten in otherwise, without graduating with some kind of honors from Columbia. More interesting is how he paid for anything, since he never says that he worked at a job while there. Someone was footing that bill and his living expenses.

    • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

      Could be true. But the problem is with Obama’s LACK of transparency – it ‘s all just a guessing game.

      Everything has been carefully orchestrated with the blaring holes just glossed over in the so-called story of “Obama”.

    • Chris Vosburg

      I am pretty sure he got into Harvard as a legacy admission, because of this father. He could not have gotten in otherwise, without graduating with some kind of honors from Columbia

      Wow. An interesting read on the legacy allegation.

      Look, if being the offspring of a Harvard grad were as important as you say it is, then obviously Harvard would host only the students of the New England families which originally enrolled, and ther would be no place for anyone from outside New England. Do the math.

      There are legacy admissions to be sure, but they are given with the expectation that the child will do as much for Good Old Harvard as the parents did, perhaps a swell new gymnasium (with name of course).

      Obama senior clearly did not have this kind of juice to offer. His son made Harvard on the basis of grades, recommendations from professors, the usual stuff that you and I had to do to get there.

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Three, I can’t count…

    1) Money connection made

    2) Ayers most likely was the ghost writer on Obama’s books

    3) Two years at Columbia, not a standout student, no honors.

    My problem with Sotomayor is that if she stands with this usurper, she herself is an accomplice in perpetuating the Obama fraud.

  • Ladydawnelle

    “crickets”

    exactly tyvm

    that’s what I’ve been saying
    also I’m thinking Biden was sent out to be “joe” and distract us as well with his “Obama’s teleprompter” huge insult recently

    all this subterfuge
    it’s alarming and way too transparent 4 me

    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :-/

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Hey I have always wondered why we knew so much about everyone else but nothing about Obama. We have seen the BCs of every candidate but Obama. We have seen or heard about all the records of every candidate but Obama and his wife…..
    Yet it seems strange that not even the media thinks this is a bit unusuall..but were the ones trouting all this information on everyone but Obama.

  • http://www.igormarxo.org Igor Marxomarxovich

    This man look like as American friend say “Major league dumb donkey”

    Old Russian saying…You can tell same lie 1000 time but not change truth!

    Difference between USSR Communist media and USA “mainstream media”

    In Russia government make media say what they want – even if lie.
    In USA “mainstream media” try make government what they want – even if lie..
    …..eventually they become same thing?!

    I Igor produce Obama Birth Certificate at http://www.igormaro.org

    • ladydawnelle

      LOL at your faux site! Too cute by half Igor.
      Like the BC too! Dr. Igor. LOL

    • Benjamin

      LOL, Igor speak truth . . .

    • http://! stodgie

      igor, i have a friend who used to live in the eastern block when it was communist. he now doesn’t see that much difference between then and now in the usa especially the corruption.

  • tango

    I thought that Obama got student loans for his education because they’ve only recently been paid off (like within the past 5 years when Obama and Michelle really started to make the big bucks). Or maybe they were just Michelles student loans.

    I know the Obamabots say there is nothing there in all these unanswered questions, but all I can think of is the old saying “those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing”. Otherwise, it would all be out there for everyone to see. There has to be some skeletons in his closet – they might not be Presidency ending but Obama is a man who does not like to be embarassed. To be average does not fit in with the story his handlers have created so mediocre grades would be hidden. I mean with Ayers or Wright he can make excuses or plead ignorance or unfamilarity, but grades? He made what he made according to the effort he put in. Can’t exactly throw them under the bus if they aren’t complimentary.

    The cover of the “Globe” magazine today at the supermarket talks about Obama and the supposed gay cover up again. Not that this story is true but sooner or later it will not benefit someone who knows something negative about Obama to stay quiet and they will spill and I’ll enjoy it when it happens.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      I think there is alot more to Obama’s and Michelle’s closet than meets the eye….Srry to say I think a lot of it has to do with Obama’s BC and both of their academic papers and records.

      • Chicago Joe

        I agree with you and when it all comes out, it will give new meaning to the phrase “the audacity of hope.”

    • TeakWoodKite

      tango, How does one argue for “transparency” yet spend near a million +/- to keep his records in the dark?

      What blows my mind is people still voted for the IGITand here we are.

    • Chris Vosburg

      The cover of the “Globe” magazine today at the supermarket talks about Obama and the supposed gay cover up again. Not that this story is true but sooner or later it will not benefit someone who knows something negative about Obama to stay quiet and they will spill and I’ll enjoy it when it happens.

      Yeah, not that it’s true. But that is why you read it, and that is why you brought it here.

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Need is such a Powerhouse.

  • helenk

    Larry
    While we are watching the Judge Sotomayor saga,
    Backtrack has ordered the army to defcon2 over North Korea.
    Can you give information about just what defcon2 means and how it will affect the people of this country.

    Thank You

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • ConfusedAmerican

      OUr country has not been on defcon2 since the Cuban Crisis….This is scary…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON
      You know what I blame Obama for any mess we are in overseas. Obama has been putting us down all over the place and sucking up to every enemy of the free world for months.

  • Paper

    Please correct me if I’m wrong, but, based on who the Democratic nominee for president in 2008 was and based on who the current President of the United States is, Obama does not need to answer your questions.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Pardon me but Obama works for us — the American citizens of the United States of America — I think that says a bit.

      Funny but my employers are entitled to see all my school records, my BC, my passport if they want, and my ss card…

      • smrstrauss

        Re: “Funny but my employers are entitled to see all my school records, my BC, my passport if they want, and my ss card…”

        Your employer is one organization. Obama’s employer is not some of the people of the United States, it is all of them. However, during the election it is merely a majority of voters.

        If the majority of voters during the election had wanted to see his school records, his BC, his passport, or whatever, either he could have provided the documents or lost the election. But the majority did not want to see those things, they voted for him in any case. Your next opportunity to demand those things is during the next presidential election, when you have the right to vote for Obama’s opponent if he does not provide what you want, or for that matter for any reason.

        To continue the employment analogy. If you do not provide the details that an employer wants, it can fire you. But the only way to fire a president is by impeachment–a majority vote in the House and two-thirds vote in the Senate.

    • Ferd Berfle

      How stupid are you, exactly?

    • Portia Elizabeth

      Paper — are you being sarcastic?

    • TeakWoodKite

      Hey ROCK Sissors! It is eactly because he POTUS that he needs to answer our questions.

      Dragging anchors again.

      • Tiger

        Fantasyland must be nice! In the real world, however, the only questions the President has to answer are the ones he is under subpoena to answer. Otherwise, the President does not have to answer your questions. You know this, right? You know that the President does not have to answer questions from 300,000,000 Americans. You know this. And if you want to change the category from “must answer” to “needs to answer” it doesn’t change anything. Are you 6 years old? In the real world the President does not have to answer questions he doesn’t want to unless he’s under subpoena. Are you seriously disagreeing with that?!

        • TeakWoodKite

          Are you 6 years old?

          Hey now Tiger, your the one with the tall tale. Six years old is old for a kite growing up in a windy city.

          Are you seriously disagreeing with that?!

          Please don’t vote if you are of the opinion that the POTUS is not answerable to the citizens of this country. If you think,

          “In the real world, however, the only questions the President has to answer are the ones he is under subpoena to answer”

          Did GW?

          Go find a middle school to rename ‘Barak Obama Academy” or some other sacrifice to The One.

          Obot’s draggin anchors again.

      • http://! stodgie

        geez and the bots run amuck AGAIN! spare me bots!

    • WhatNow

      Paper, “Obama does not need to answer your questions.” You must not be an American taxpayer. Since, American taxpayers, pay Obama’s salary, he WORKS for ALL American taxpayers.

  • Glennmcgahee

    I’ve read the Ayer’s book excerpts that almost exactly match in both words and style those of Obama’s first book, Dreams of My Father. Some of the prose almost match word for word. Its pathetic that the media has allowed that to go unchallenged. He has had exceptional advantages, unlike the typical things a person of his background and age would ever be able to experience without some help and direction. Yea, the food stamp story really got to me too. The man was either CIA or a Foreign Agent. I am amazed that he has gotten this far. But I will not judge his SCOTUS pick until I hear her own words. It bothers me to no end that she is labeled Hispanic as if those are her only qualifications. Hispanic heritage includeds many diverse backgrounds. But if challenged, they can always scream racist.

    • tminu

      The food stamp story was a lie.

      His mother’s U.H. package included them as part of her grad student package, but by then Obama was off at Occidental, so he conflated the two stories.

  • helenk

    PAPER
    The last time I looked backtrack was supposed to work for me. My taxes pay his salary.
    If I want to know how many times he goes to the bathroom he should have to answer////////
    The absence of questions and answers is not democracy it is tyranny.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

    • DVD

      and you asked how many times Bill Clinton and George Bush took a shit every day exactly how many times?

    • smrstrauss

      If I want to know how many times he goes to the bathroom he should have to answer////////

      No. If all Americans, or even a majority of them, wanted to know how many times he went to the bathroom, sure. But one guy asking for information is like one guy asking for lowering gas taxes or raising gas taxes. Same for some small group.

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Obama should have to answer at any time. Nixon learned that lesson.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    regarding BO’s college years, I’d be interested to know how he was matched for roommates at Occidental College. Both his roommates were Pakistanis I believe. Don’t know if they were Muslim or not.

    When I got accepted to college, I was sent a questionnaire to fill out regarding background, interests, etc. I was matched with a roommate from a small town near my own; we were both from the same Protestant group, same ethnic, GPA, even similar extra-curricular activities.

    So what did BO share with his roommates?

    • Ferd Berfle

      So what did BO share with his roommates?

      A bong?

      • Portia Elizabeth

        LOL!

      • DVD

        At least he inhaled.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Probably from the wrong end as he can’t do much of anything without explicit instructions from his alter ego, Mr. TelePrompTer.

    • DVD

      I was given a questionaire when I was a freshman. My roommate was from Korea. He wasn’t Episcopalian nor from my hometown and we didn’t share the same hobbies. My oh my how ever did we become roomies.

  • ame

    Why Can’t Obama Be Like Sotomayor?

    In many ways he’s just like her.

    • tminu

      Bitter, power-mad, racist…

  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

    It’s likely that Obama’s grades were not particularly good at Colubmia – I don’t really see why that’s relevant though? How many politicians release all of their grades? And what grades someone got when they were 19 or 20 isn’t really… relevant.

    Sotomayor’s school records are public because they are so exceptionally good.

    • Ferd Berfle

      I don’t really see why that’s relevant though?

      Because, troll, one of the mantras of the obamabots during the last election cycle was how “smart” That One was. I never believed a word of it, but a lot of people did, apparently. I would surmise, judging solely from his inability to speak coherently without a TelePrompTer, that he was a C-student. Prove me wrong. Oh, you can’t. Hahaha.

      • Berd Ferfle

        Obama was the president of the Harvard Law Review. That position is earned by winning an essay contest, and the criteria for participating in the essay contest is a nearly-perfect academic record. If Obama were a C-student, he wouldn’t have made editor, let alone president.

        • http://! stodgie

          actually berd, i believe quite a bit was waved that year for purposes of supporting a minority president for the law review. furthermore he never ever published anything. not a good beginning or ending i might add.

      • Chris Vosburg

        Berfle writes: I never believed a word of it, but a lot of people did, apparently. I would surmise, judging solely from his inability to speak coherently without a TelePrompTer, that he was a C-student. Prove me wrong. Oh, you can’t. Hahaha.

        Yuk it up. Sure I can, Ferd.

        It is a matter of public record that Obama graduated from Harvard with Magna Cum Laude honors, which places him firmly at the head of the class.

        Further, as I pointed out earlier in this thread, a professor at Columbia who taught a special honors seminar on American Foreign Policy has said that Obama was “smart as a whip” and was one of his top students (well, there was only eight students in the class but their presence in the honors seminar tells you that were the smartest kids he had, so that kind of makes Obama the smartest of the smartest).

        Further, your repeated allegation that Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter is nonsense. He speaks off the cuff when answering questions at news conferences for example, and by all accounts handles that quite well.

        Further, your repeated complaint that Obama relies on a teleprompter when giving a prepared speech conveniently ignores the fact that no modern head of state gives a prepared speech without one. Bush used a teleprompter, Clinton used a teleprompter, Bush Senior used a teleprompter, and yes even Saint Ronald Reagan used one.

        Before teleprompters, people who gave speeches wrote their speech on little cards which they shuffled through at the podium. Think Abe Lincoln and the Gettysburg address, which he famously composed on the back of an envelope and then read to his audience. Boy what a phony he was, huh? A teleprompter is simply a technological advance.

        So, Ferd, if I were you, I’d stick to the infantile name-calling. As you can see, if you try to argue facts and logic, you’ll just get your ass kicked up one side of the street and down the other.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Further, your repeated allegation that Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter is nonsense. He speaks off the cuff when answering questions at news conferences for example, and by all accounts handles that quite well.

          What passes for “quite well” is bullshit, troll. I speak the Queen’s English. That One speaks some sort of claptrap developed over the years by people who talk around a subject rather than address it directly. He speaks gobbledegook using stilted language appropriate to a college sophomore. His ers, ahs, ums, and uhs are more appropriate for a high-school speech class. You can talk him up all you want to no avail.

          As for your arguments, where were they exactly? I saw none to speak of unless you mean the unknown facts you posted. Your dogma, which come to you from the voices in your tiny skull do not constitute anything other than hollow, mind-numbing rhetoric. You have proven nothing except that your are an OBOT.

          Your comparison to Abe Lincoln is amazing in its hubris, dudley. Abe was an orator. Your master is a reader.

          By the way, twerp, I’m not yucking it up, I am dismayed that ignorant fools like you voted for an empty suit with matching skull. I’ll reserve my real derision for the time when you morons discover just how stupid you were.

          • Chris Vosburg

            Your comparison to Abe Lincoln is amazing in its hubris, dudley. Abe was an orator. Your master is a reader.

            Heard a recording of Abe’s speeches, have you? I envy you more than I can say.

            Like I said, up one side of the street and down the other. If this crap is your riposte, then maybe you oughta just get used to having your face rubbed in it, Ferd.

          • Chris Vosburg

            And I’ll tell you something else for nothing Sonny:

            No one who has read the Gettysburg address thinks that it is about Abe Lincoln’s oratory prowess.

            Except you.

        • ConfusedAmerican

          You know that hassnt even been backed up with a decent paper trail either….So I will stand with the dubious until I see some more legal paper trails on this man. Legal paper trails the dont look a bit weird like the internet BC.

        • ConfusedAmerican

          Might be nice to see some legal paper trails on all the stuff Obama claims.
          With all the untruths, and 1/2 truths this guy spurts out I think some documentation on this guy would be nice.

          If you are honest with yourself you will realize that a bunch of Obama’s stories had to be changed by him(probably speech writers after intensive research), somtimes more than once because the timetables didnt jive or other pertinant information was not accurate.

          Seeing one of the space crafts come down near Hawaii with his grandfather comes to mine as one story, then there is the story of his uncle, MLK’s march and the list goes on….

          Yep I’m one of those that likes to see the proof before believing the stories..

        • ConfusedAmerican

          Comments lost in Spin Cycle

    • Portia Elizabeth

      It seemed very relevant last fall when John McCain was being excoriated because he graduated near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. His life of honor and achievement didn’t stop the Obamabots from lambasting him on grades earned when he was 19 or 20.

  • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

    Something is very strange. For months no one has wanted to even admit there are any questions. World Net Daily was the only place that kept beating the drum. Now because one of their people asked Gibbs about it Larry is talking about it, Politco, Fox. Just seems strange the timing. Why would Gibbs call on World Net at presser now after months of not. He knows full well what they would ask. He was even ready with his numbers about the number of people signing their petition to send to congress. Either we are too close, or the forged copy of the BC is ready to be unveiled.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Maybe they all realizing what a mess Obama has and is getting us into.. Just maybe someone realizing there is a big paper trail missing on this guy.

    • pm317

      the forged copy of the BC is ready to be unveiled.

      I put my money on that. Can you imagine the embarrassment to millions of people and the bigwigs who got him elected if his REAL (and if problematic) BC ever surfaced. The forgery will be done if there was a problem with his real BC and will be revealed.

      • ConfusedAmerican

        Or how about the passport used to get into pakistan.

      • tminu

        He is guilty of document forgery right NOW, his COLB is TRASH PHOTOSHOP, and that is imprisonable right there.

        • smrstrauss

          Re: “He is guilty of document forgery right NOW, his COLB is TRASH PHOTOSHOP, and that is imprisonable right there.”

          Total baloney. Two guys–one of whom does not use his real name–have said that the document was forged. This was before the election. Don’t you think that McCain’s campaign would have checked this. If it didn’t, Hawaii’s police–under a Republican governor–would have checked, or the FBI or the Treasury Department, all of whom have real experts in forgery.

          Not only is the document not forged, but two officials of the state of Hawaii looked into the file and found an Original birth certificate. That proves that he was born in Hawaii because in 1961 a foreign birth certificate could not be entered into Hawaiian birth records.

          • WhatNow

            smrstrauss |- You’re spinning the Hawaii officials story “Hawaii looked into the file and found an Original birth certificate. That proves that he was born in Hawaii because in 1961 a foreign birth certificate could not be entered into Hawaiian birth records.”

            What the Hawaii official said, is that they saw his original birth certificate. Period. None of their statements said that his original birth certificate lists Hawaii as a place of birth. YOu’re reading into their statement. ALSO – since his mother was from Hawaii, she could get the certificate of live birth issued for Obama. Obama’s sister, was born in Indonesia (fact) and she even has a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth.

            WE – The American Taxpayers NEED to see the ORIGINAL birth certificate on file with Hawaii.

            • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

              Um… You’re missing the big point here -> It wouldn’t be in Hawaii’s records unless he was born in Hawaii. Why would they have his birth certificate if he was born in Kenya? This is kind of a *really* basic thing. Like, astonishingly basic. Basic to the point where anyone who thinks that there’s any reason to believe Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii cannot be taken seriously.

              • ConfusedAmerican

                The short form fake Certificate of Live Birth (not birth certificate) that is on the Internet says Hawaii. So we as Americans and Obmaa’s employer are asking that he show us the back up paper work for that document if it exists.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “What the Hawaii official said, is that they saw his original birth certificate. Period. None of their statements said that his original birth certificate lists Hawaii as a place of birth.”

              Two things. They said that it was an ORIGINAL birth certificate. In 1961 a birth certificate from another country could not be entered into a Hawaii birth file. A Hawaii birth file could not even be opened on someone who was born outside of Hawaii. Yet there is an original birth certificate in a 1961 Hawaii file.

              Note also that a foreign birth certificate cannot be an original. A foreign birth certificate is, of course, a copy of the original, the original being in the foreign file.

              In addition, after the written statements by the two officials (which were written very carefully because Hawaii law forbids giving details of the contents of the files), the Chicago Tribune called and asked the press spokeswoman for the department whether this meant that Obama was born in Hawaii, and she replied “YES.” Then, to be sure, they sent her an E-mail and asked if he was born in Hawaii, and she sent back that the meaning of the announcement was indeed that he was born in Hawaii.

              http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html

              Then why didn’t the two officials say that he was born in Hawaii? Because that is the law in Hawaii; they are not allowed to say what the contents of the files are. Didn’t what the spokeswoman said violate the law? Maybe, but she wasn’t prosecuted for it.

              Now, the issue of the Hawaiian law that some say forced the state of Hawaii to issue Hawaiian birth certificates to everyone (the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth). First, it is not true that a person born outside of Hawaii could get a Hawiian birth certificate saying that he was born in Hawaii. At most, he could get a Hawaiian birth certificate saying that these were his parents and he was born on X date, but Hawaii would list the actual place of birth, and it required proof of birth in Hawaii by witnesses if the child were born outside of a hospital in order to say “born in Hawaii.”

              Re: His sister being born in Indonesia and having a Hawaiian birth certificate. I thought this was true once also, that she had received the Hawaiian birth certificate under the 1982 law (which did not apply to her brother, obviously). But it turns out that this is all wrong. She is a naturalized US citizen.

    • pm317

      can they forge his transcripts and make him come out a smart man?

      • Ferd Berfle

        His minions are probably working on that as we post here.

        • tminu

          Well that’s fraught with problems. Nobody remembers him from his own polysci class 1983, and if he lists his classes people will be able to validate they sat in a particular class with him, but he was never in it.

          I think his diplomas were PURCHASED and he was schooled in the ways of marxism and Allinsky by his real teacher: AYERS.

          • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

            Woah, hold up there! The crazy is getting out of hand. I graduated from college much more recently than Obama (1999) and I can’t remember any of my college professors much less who was sitting next to me in class!

            His diplomas were “purchased” – I mean WTF?! How insane can you get? I mean.. this is just jaw dropping insanity. Do you remember that whole thing about Obama being editor of the Harvard Law Review? Do you think that was all made up too?

            How about this article from 1990 about Barack Obama? http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/09/barack-obama-ha.html

            Is that part of the conspiracy too?

            GET A GRIP!

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      Holy Cow! The insanity is overwhelming. His birth certificate was “revealed” last summer. It’s amazing to me that people are still beating this dead horse. If Obama was white nobody would even be talking about such insanity. I know we’re not supposed to use the term racist – but yeah, this is racist.

      • Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

        None-ya!

        Okay you win! You are the biggest RACIST evah!

        Why can’t people be critical about That One without it being racist? The fact that you have to defend That One based on race, just goes to show you have so low expectations of him.

        Yes, you’re the biggest racist evah!!!!!

        Stop the low expectation fest!

        • Ferd Berfle

          You go, Donna!

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          Um. You can be critical of Obama – I am very critical of many of his positions – But to call into question whether he was born in the United States even though his mother was American and his birth was announced in two Hawaii newspapers in 1961 and he has already shown his birth certificate – that goes beyond being “critical” and into being… Well there’s no nice way to say it.

          • Ferd Berfle

            and he has already shown his birth certificate – that goes beyond being “critical” and into being…

            LMAO. If he had “already shown” it, he wouldn’t have hired lawyers to keep it under wraps and away from the scrutiny of the courts. There is something rotten in that henhouse where the chickens will return to roost at some point.

            Well there’s no nice way to say it.

            Telegraphing your racist rant again. My my, when will the bots learn that such mindless pejoratives no longer work. Besides, you’re the racist, Gomer.

            • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

              *sigh*

              http://216.221.102.26/blogger/image.axd?picture=2009%2F4%2F2008-06-12_obama_birth_certificate.jpg

              that’s the birth certificate. it’s already been shown. dead horse. beat it some more.

              • Animal Control

                Is African a race?

              • Ferd Berfle

                So it is a really nice picture. Why didn’t he present the original in court in lieu of hiring a battery of lawyers?

                Keep posting pictures, Goob, and we’ll keep asking you about the certified copy, which a picture does not constitute.

              • jwrjr

                It is an excellent picture of a forged BC.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  Isn’t it, though? You’d think by now the obamabots would come to the understanding that no one here is buying their swill.

                • tminu

                  It’s not even a good forgery.

              • jbjd

                Whom are you going to believe? Your own lying eyes or BO’s lying words? Either this document is a “Certification,” as entitled by the state of HI; or it is a “Birth Certificate,” as captioned below by BO. Either way, even assuming this is a bona fide copy of an official document, it certainly cannot prove BO is a “native” citizen, as he claims. Indeed, it as likely proves he was born in a foreign country as HI. Because in 1961, the date of BO’s birth appearing on the photocopy, Hawaiian Revised Statutes §338-17.8, “Certificates for children born out of State,” provided that the director of health may issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate even for a child born outside of the United States, just as long as the child’s parents declared the State of Hawaii was their legal residence for a year preceding the birth of that child.

                Do you suppose BO knows about this HI law?

                • smrstrauss

                  Re: “Because in 1961, the date of BO’s birth appearing on the photocopy, Hawaiian Revised Statutes §338-17.8, “Certificates for children born out of State,” provided that the director of health may issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate even for a child born outside of the United States, just as long as the child’s parents declared the State of Hawaii was their legal residence for a year preceding the birth of that child.”

                  That was known as the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. However (1) It actually required witnesses to prove that the child was born in Hawaii. The statement by the parents was not sufficient, as this site shows: http://www.hawaiian-roots.com/importantDocuments.htm; and (2) A Certificate of Hawaiian birth could not be issued within a year after the birth. It required at least a one-year delay.

                  But there could not have been a delay because the notices, which were generated by the Department of Vital Records of Hawaii, went out to the newspapers and were published in the two Hawaiian newspapers on August 10 1961. So there could not have been a delay.

                  Moreover, when the two officials looked into the file, they said that there was an ORIGINAL birth certificate in the file, a certificate of Hawaiian birth is never called a birth certificate. It is always called a certificate of Hawaiian birth.

                  • jbjd

                    There you go again, trying to play a lawyer, when you are not. The web site you link in a misguided attempt to refute the accurate information I posted above is a .com, not a HI .gov web site. Your link takes readers to a geneological how-to site, that explains, if YOU want to obtain a copy of YOUR birth documents from the government of HI; and YOU have no original Certificate of Live Birth – this document is different from the one you mention, which is a Certification of HI Birth, http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html – here is how to do it. It does not purport to explain the legal context under which one of the documents listed on that site, for example, a HI Certificate of Live Birth, was issued by the state of HI in the name of that child, who may have been born in a foreign country, in the first place.

                    • jbjd

                      geneological = geneologic

                    • smrstrauss

                      To get a certificate of Hawaiian birth there had to be at least a year delay after the birth for filing the application for the certificate. There was NO delay in Obama’s case. He was registered four days after his birth, and the announcements were sent out to the newspapers (as they did with all the people born in Hawaii in those days) and appeared the next weekend.

                      So, there was no one year delay, so the certificate of Hawaiian birth could not be issued.

                      Next, a certificate of Hawaiian birth could not lie about the place of birth. It did not allow the parents to just claim that the kind was born in Hawaii. It required witnesses.

                      Finally, a certificate of Hawaiian birth is not considered a birth certificate by Hawaii now. It is always referred to by its full name, certificate of Hawaiian birth. Yet the officials said that there was an original birth certificate in the file.

                  • Portia Elizabeth

                    Do you realize how your own words make no sense? Go back and carefully read what you said:

                    “Moreover, when the two officials looked into the file, they said that there was an ORIGINAL birth certificate in the file, a certificate of Hawaiian birth is never called a birth certificate. It is always called a certificate of Hawaiian birth.”

                    If officials called what was in the file a BC, and Hawaii never calls what it issues a BC, then by your own words it seems you are saying BO’s BC is not Hawaiian.

                    • smrstrauss

                      Re: “Hawaii never calls what it issues a BC…”

                      Eh? Of course it calls its original birth certificates birth certificates, and it calls the certification of live birth a birth certificate too. But it does not call a certificate of Hawaiian birth a birth certificate. It calls it a certificate of Hawaiian birth.

                      If there were a certificate of Hawaiian birth in Obama’s file, the officials would have said “there is a certificate of Hawaiian birth in the file” not “there is an original birth certificate in the file.”

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “LMAO. If he had “already shown” it, he wouldn’t have hired lawyers to keep it under wraps and away from the scrutiny of the courts.”

              Answer: He didn’t hire lawyers to keep it under wraps. There were no cases against him for the birth certificate. ALL the law cases were to stop the election or to stop the certification of the election.

              There is one case in Hawaii for the birth certificate, but that is against the state government of Hawaii, not Obama, and Obama and his lawyers are not involved in this case.

              • Portia Elizabeth

                And you need to be more thorough in your research on this matter, too. There have been suits in at least a half dozen states challenging his BC.

                • Chris Vosburg

                  Portia writes: And you need to be more thorough in your research on this matter, too. There have been suits in at least a half dozen states challenging his BC.

                  Okay, fine. Case motions in any court are a matter of public record, so you have simply to produce a filing, any filing, by lawyers representing Barack Obama– even a friend of the court brief will do– which supports the contention that Barack Obama’s mighty lawyer team is seeking to derail any of these legal inanities.

                  Ball’s in your court, so to speak.

                • smrstrauss

                  Re: ‘There have been suits in at least a half dozen states challenging his BC.”

                  Okay. If they only ask for his birth certificate and do not ask for the election to be thrown out, then cite them.

                  Nope. They were all either to stop the election or to stop certification of the election.

              • Ferd Berfle

                Wow, getting your news from the voices in your head?

                • Chris Vosburg

                  Berfle writes: Wow, getting your news from the voices in your head?

                  I fail to see how this addresses anything that has been said, Ferd.

          • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

            My nephew’s birth was announced in another state for the relatives back in the 1960′s.

            Obama’s birth announcement in Hawaii proves nothing, nothing, nothing.

            You have to think back to the times, the 1950′s and 1960′s. Long distance phone calls were expensive. Families were relocating out of state for work and therefore were far away from grandparents and extended family.

            It was a practice to announce graduations, weddings, births and deaths in the families’ hometown paper.

            It didn’t automatically mean that the event took place nearby just because it was announced in the local paper.

            Sheesh, what a moron to think that a birth announcement automatically proves Obama was born in Hawaii.

            • Docelder

              Yes, the grandparents probably ran it so they could clip it and save it in a scrapbook.

              • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

                So true!

                • ladydawnelle

                  yep my wedding (even though a world away) was announced in my Mom’s hometown newspaper.

                  When my daughter was born (in another town as well) that announcement was also in her local paper!

                  I’ve never seen a BC w/out an attending physicians name to certify a live birth. EVA
                  plus if he really WAS born in hawaii (not soooo terribly long ago) you would think there would be a TON of hospital workers/nurses/doctors available to testify!!

                  NO HUMAN WILL TESTIFY FOR BAMBI

                  NO ONE STOOD UP AND TESTIFIED FOR JUNIOR’S AWOL TIME EITHER

                  HMMMMMMMM………….. sounds strangely familiar!

                  (and yet HILLARY has friends that have been with her since day ONE, practically)

                  still she gets hounded

            • tminu

              The announcements were analyzed as forgeries too.
              http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=4894

              And

              His mother was never a patient at Kapiolani nor Queens hospitals.
              http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

              AND

              His half sister Maya has a COLB from Hawaii. Obama’s is a bad forgery.

              • Portia Elizabeth

                I wish i had saved the info, but last fall when this was so hotly debated, someone who’d been born in Hawaii in the early BC for comparison to the forged BO document. There were multiple differences. One I recall was a serial number that was innaccurate and out of sequence.

                • Portia Elizabeth

                  Hmmmm… that should read “someone who’d been born in Hawaii in the early 60′s put up his BC for comparison…”

                • TeakWoodKite

                  Portia, Look in NQ’s archive. Or TD had it as well.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “Obama’s birth announcement in Hawaii proves nothing, nothing, nothing.”

              Obama’s birth announcement was NOT an advertisement. It was generated by the Hawaii Department of Vital Records, which sent out announcements to the newspapers (then, not now of course) of all the births in Hawaii. It only sent out notices of births IN Hawaii. So, you see, it shows a lot.

              • jbjd

                No, no, no, no, no. Even assuming the HI D of H automatically informs the newspaper of all Certificates of Live Birth issued, and that the newspaper timely and accurately printed this news, the announcement of BO’s live birth only (tends to) prove(s) such Certificate was issued in BO’s name. This fact alone as easily proves he was born, alive, in another country, as in HI, given HI law at that time.

              • Ferd Berfle

                You are one twisted obamabot. Try peddling your half-baked somewhere else, goober.

                • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

                  You sure enjoy calling people a lot of names for someone who believes something that makes absolutely no sense. Do you really think this was all some “conspiracy” hatched in 1961 by .. who exactly? There’s no reason to believe that Obama wasn’t born in America – he spent most of his youth in Hawaii… just… what. is. the. point?

                  • mel

                    How on earth do you know Obama spend most of his youth in Hawaii, because he said so?

                    The say guy who said he would fight against the passage of FISA to the bitter end, walk in the Senate and voted for it!

                    You have no idea who Obama is, you have no proof to back up what you say of Obama at all, except for the words of the liar Obamawho was a product of Selma, even though he was born 4 years before Selma even took place and continued hs lie of it in a church in where else but Selma!

                    The is a definate word for people who believe in a liar, but since name calling is not appropriate, the world already can grasp the sort of person you are just in your fomulating of your beliefs!

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      Well, it’s a compelling argument, mel.

                      So, what planet do you figure he’s from?

                • TeakWoodKite

                  Ferd, going on holiday again anytime soon?

                • Chris Vosburg

                  Berfle writes: You are one twisted obamabot. Try peddling your half-baked somewhere else, goober.

                  I fail to see how this addresses anything that has been said, Ferd.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “Sheesh, what a moron to think that a birth announcement automatically proves Obama was born in Hawaii.”

              In this case the birth announcements were NOT advertisements. They were issued by the Department of Vital Records of Hawaii, which sent them out for all the children born in Hawaii. (It does not do that any more, of course. But at the time it did, as the research of Lori Starfelt shows (http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii)

              Does the fact that the government of Hawaii sent out the notice prove that Obama was born in Hawaii? Not necessarily. But it makes it likely. Lori Starfelt also showed that Hawaii required proof of the location of birth before issuing a birth certificate that said “born in Hawaii” on it.

          • TeakWoodKite

            BO is not. Not authentic and not a US born baby.

            But hey what eva. Bada Bing.

            • ladydawnelle

              TEAK!!!

              He’s an “authentic” South Side Chicago PUNK AZZ Con!

              yep, yep, yep!

              plain as day

      • Ferd Berfle

        The only racists during the last election cycle were the Obamabots. You can use that worn-out card until you drop from exhaustion but it won’t work here. We’re fed up with your predictable prefabricated prevarications, dink.

        • Portia Elizabeth

          Alliteration! I like it!

          • Ferd Berfle

            Isn’t alliteration fun? I would give that commenter the Fickle Finger of Fate award, but his histrionics, hyperbole, hogwash, and hyperventilation make such an award impossible.

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          As I said before – it’s not racist to question Obama’s policies etc. What’s racist is to question whether he is an American in the first place. That is simply something that never would have happened if he were white.

          • Docelder

            McCain had to answer that same argument in 2000. He was born in Panama, but to two American citizens. But, he had to answer the natural born citizen question himself.

            • Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

              Exactly Docelder!

              See None-ya the biggest racist evah!

              They did question the old white guy about his eligibility to be President:-)

              Keep the racist argument alive, none-ya, cause that’s all you’ve got.

              Stop the low expectation fest!

          • TeakWoodKite

            I call Bullshit on that A-nony-mouse.

            Question weather he is an American? Be deed or birth it doesn’t matter what frakin color he is.

            Your argument is based on an assumption having seen nothing to the contrary. Selective service records? A vault BC? His college transcripts?

            Hello?

            BO himself has made this an issue, not me and you can take that “white” crap and stick it where the sun don’t shine.

          • http://! stodgie

            mouse, you are so full of illogical assumptions and statements, i don’t know quite where to begin. i question obama’s birth certificate. so there and i am no racist. deal with that!

      • Portia Elizabeth

        Calling people racists has really lost its sting because it’s hurled at anything remotely against BO.
        The BC is issue is symptomatic of the lies and obfuscation so rampant in the “Transparency Presidency”. He’s spent a fortune hiding it. That only makes it more desirable to see what he wants hidden. Insanity is hiding something that doesn’t need to be hidden. So is BO practicing insanity or deception?

        • Ferd Berfle

          He’s spent a fortune hiding it. That only makes it more desirable to see what he wants hidden. Insanity is hiding something that doesn’t need to be hidden. So is BO practicing insanity or deception?

          And that is the key to this entire mess. Why would anyone hire attorneys to keep this sort of thing from public scrutiny? This flies in the face of his “promise” to have a transparent administration. I suppose that really means that the lies will be transparent. I wonder if his smoking britches have set off any fire alarms, yet.

          • tminu

            AND that money came from campaign funds, which is illegal.
            Only the FEC is investigating Edwards for spending $100K on his mistress, as usual Obama gets away with murder (he’s spent over $1million hiding his bona fides).

        • smrstrauss

          Re: “He spent a fortune.” He hasn’t spent a cent. All the lawsuits were about stopping the election or stopping the certification of the election.

          • Portia Elizabeth

            If you mean not a cent of his own money, I wouldn’t argue. He’s too busy spending donations and our tax dollars. But that must be okay with you. In any case, you need to do your homework. He has multiple teams of attorneys getting rich from fighting to prevent his BC from ever seeing the light of day. Suits have been filed in several states. But don’t just take my word for it. Check it out for yourself.

            • smrstrauss

              Re: “He has multiple teams of attorneys getting rich from fighting to prevent his BC from ever seeing the light of day. Suits have been filed in several states. But don’t just take my word for it. Check it out for yourself.”

              All of those lawsuits were to stop the election or to stop the certification of the election.

          • Ferd Berfle

            You know so little about this subject that it could be placed in its entirety on the back of a matchbook leaving plenty of room for a cigarette advertisement for the kind That One smokes.

            He hasn’t spent a cent.

            Proves it, drip.

      • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

        We are all soooooo over that line! OK we are all racist, now where are his records. Every other president in history has shown them, so where are Barry’s? Even Michell’s RACIST college thesis is online, but nothing from the one.

        • Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo

          I can say in complete confidence that I hope that a wise white man like myself with the richness of my experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a minority and/or a female who hasn’t lived that life.

          Let’s face it, white men know better than minorities and women.

          See, that’s not racist, is it?

      • MN in SN

        For one thing, no recent president has had a foreigner for a father. No recent president spent his childhood in a foreign country with his anti-American mother, except possibly as the child of patriotic military personnel. One recent president had the media cover for and promote him against all the obvious evidence, and look how that worked out for us.

        • FrenchNail

          You bet no recent president had a foreigner for a father, for the simple reason that to be a natural born citizen as required from the President of the US, you have to have been born on the territory of the US of TWO American citizens.

          • smrstrauss

            Re: “have to have been born on the territory of the US of TWO American citizens.”

            Where does it say this in the Constitution? It says Natural Born Citizen, but how do you know that doesn’t simply mean born in the United States?

            There is no evidence that the term Natural Born Citizen is different from Natural Born Subject, which was used in British common law, and was defined by Blackstone, whose commentaries were popular among the writers of the Constitution.

            And Natural Born Subject simply means someone who was born in the British realm, with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats.

            And that is why such prominent conservative Senators who are also lawyers as Oren Hatch and Lindsay Graham say that a Natural Born Citizen is simply one who was born in the USA:

            Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

            “Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

            Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

            “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

            And:

            Gov. Bobby Jindal, who delivered the Republican response to Obama’s speech, said: “Regardless of party, all Americans are moved by the President’s personal story – the son of an American mother and a Kenyan father, who grew up to become leader of the free world.”

            Jindal, of course, would be even less of a citizen under Vattel’s concept because neither of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. His mother was about three months pregnant when they came to the USA.

            • Chris Vosburg

              Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

              “Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”

              God, how weird. I think he’s trying to say that a child born in an embassy is a citizen of the country hosting the embassy, because the embassy is strictly speaking, territory of the country occupying the embassy.

              Naturally, that’s not quite how it works, but o man, what an interesting and extraordinarily xenophobic point of view.

              Really, you’d have to be Lindsay Graham to think this way.

            • Chris Vosburg

              “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

              Yeah that’s pretty much it.

              That’s why Number Six (Patrick McGoohan) could run for President (born in New York) but the Terminator (Arnold Schwarzenegger) couldn’t (born in Austria).

              I’m open to changing this requirement, by the way. Although I would like to see some sort of requirement to keep carpetbaggers at bay, I don’t see any reason why those who have clearly decided to adopt the US as their home can’t run.

              And yes, I know that McGoohan has died, thank you.

              Those inclined to tell me that Schwarzenegger has died as well, yeah, okay, ah hah hah.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            This is pure nonsense. You’re just making stuff up out of the air. It’s amazing how sure of themselves people can seem even when they are clearly full of it. If there was any serious question as to Obama’s eligibility to be President then do you really think Hillary Clinton or John McCain would have let that slide? I mean just COME ON. Use some basic logical thinking skills.

      • ConfusedAmerican

        It was not the vault Long Form BC. There is a big difference between the two.This article will tell just why.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate

        Most are looking for the BC that is similar to the one McCain showed or like the one most of us got a copy of when we got our BC copy.
        Hey my has a hospital name on it…

        Oh and by the way I saw a BC of a person born in 1964 or 5 but he wouldnt scan it for me. His father was Nigerian and his mother was a texan…But father’s race was listed as black, not African, with mother’s race as white.

        Very strange indeed…Even today most birth certiicates dont give one the option of listing ones race as african

  • http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com Uppity Woman

    Larry it’s all probably because she has a lot less to hide than he has.

  • Ferd Berfle

    but why would the “smartest” guy to ever serve in the White House obfuscate when it comes to his own academic marks?

    More than likely because he isn’t the smartest–not by a long shot.

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      Who claimed that Obama is the smartest guy to ever serve in the White House? There’s some pretty big competition for that title. Furthermore I don’t think intelligence alone is a big predictor of how good a President someone will be – for example Richard Nixon was extremely intelligent.

      • Ferd Berfle

        Look, troll, I’m not going to do your research for you. It was a bot mantra as well as MSM mantra during the last election cycle. Nice try at diversion, however.

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          It was a mantra that he is intelligent. Yes, and I think to say he is not intelligent is pretty ridiculous. You don’t graduate from Harvard Law School without some type of intellicence. On the other hand I don’t recall anyone saying that he we would be the MOST intelligent President ever!!?! That’s a purely ridiculous statement. It’s not like all 43 Presidents previous to him took an IQ test that we can compare and contrast to. It’s just a silly argument that I don’t recall anyone making.

          Basically this is what is known as a “straw man argument.” You knock down an argument that is very flawed and it makes you look like you’re making a good point. But in reality no one was making that argument in the first place.

          • Ferd Berfle

            Basically this is what is known as a “straw man argument.” You knock down an argument that is very flawed and it makes you look like you’re making a good point. But in reality no one was making that argument in the first place.

            This coming from a bot who uses the fallacy of the unknown fact to prove a point and the false dilemma.

            1. He could have graduated from the Harvard Law School with poor grades. Yours is the false dilemma
            2. You don’t know what his grade point was. Yours is the unknown fact.
            3. My argument was not a straw man. I said upthread that there is no way to prove he is intelligent and that I thought he wasn’t because he isn’t able to speak coherently without a TelePrompTer. That is no strawman at all. It is inductibe reasoning based upon objective information (uhs, ahs, ers, liberally inserted into every jabberfest and hisstilted use of language).

            You did make the argument he is intelligent and I poked holes in it.

            • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

              Obama actually did graduate Harvard Law School with high grades (Cum Laude) and furthermore, even if you graduate Harvard Law School at all – that’s pretty good. I don’t think it’s reasonable to call anyone who accomplished this feat unintelligent. It’s just a silly argument.

              —

              And I’m curious: Did you support McCain in the general election? How do you feel about the fact that he graduated 894th out of a class of 899 at the Naval Academy (not example Harvard Law School.)

              • Docelder

                How do you feel about the fact that he graduated 894th out of a class of 899 at the Naval Academy

                Exactly, we know all of this, so why can’t we know anything about Obama?

                • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                  I’m not quite sure how McCain’s class ranking was leaked but I’m sure it wasn’t the McCain campaign’s idea! There is not a record like this for most politicians. For example I have no idea how well Hillary Clinton did in college. I have no idea what Mitt Romney’s grades were like.

                  Furthermore: Who Cares?! The idea that grades in college mean anything of significance is pretty … ridiculous.

                  Remember, Bill Gates dropped out of college.

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    Remember, Bill Gates dropped out of college.

                    Irrelevant. The topic is That One. Do try to remember that when posting.

                    • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

                      It’s entirely relevant. The point is that one’s college grades have little to nothing to do with intelligence. And certainly very little to do with a man’s competence 25 years later!

                    • ConfusedAmerican

                      His not his grades we are worried about — its the fact he wont show them WHY???

                    • Docelder

                      I would take that point, because I went to college with a lot people… some of which were the most functionally ignorant people I would ever know when it came to common sense things.

                    • pm317

                      Bill Gates the college drop out built a billion dollar empire. what did your idol do before he was dragged through the finish line for the presidency?

                    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                      pm317 – Obama is not my idol. Like I’ve mentioned on this site before – Obama is a centrist in my view – I’m a liberal. He’s not my first choice. But obviously I support him over Republicans who are completely unacceptable.

                      As far as what he’s accomplished before he was President? How about becoming a US Senator for one? That’s not bad :)

                    • Docelder

                      Yes, and Roland Burris is so equally accomplished then.

                    • ConfusedAmerican

                      And A-Nony-Mouse how many days was he actually in the Senate working on the job. And how many many times did he take a stance on a bill instead of voting present?

                    • Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

                      Confused:

                      Don’t ask nonsense mouse to answer questions they know nothing about. To people like mousey, That One was a Senator for longer that Biden.

                      Stop the hope they know something about That One fest!

                    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                      I’m noticing a pattern here. The folks who can’t make a coherent argument are also the folks who call other people names (whether it be “nonsense mouse” or “That One”) — This is very grade school and not impressive to anyone who has graduated elementary school.

                      Along with the name calling they also often stick words in other people’s mouths. For example saying that I don’t know that Biden was Senator for longer than Obama. Why would you say something like that when you know nothing about me? That’s just… What purpose does that have?

                      And by the way, yes I know that Obama didn’t become a Senator until 2005 & Biden had been a Senator since the 1970s.

                      What I’m asking for is logical arguments based on facts. If all you’ve got is name calling and sticking words in other people’s mouths then you haven’t got much to add.

                  • Animal Control

                    I may be mistaken but didn’t Hillary give the Commencement address at Wellesley? Not easy to accomplish and not an easy school to attend.

                    • Animal Control

                      Since you asked about Hillary. During the debates Obama’s mantra seemed to be “I agree with Hillary” because he knew who the smartest person in the room was, is and will always be.

                      Brilliant hogwash!

                    • tek

                      Animal Control: yes, she absolutely did. Her creds are readily available.

                      Hillary 2012!

                      Bill and Hillary Clinton for benevolent monarchs of USA.

                      (We all know democracy’s dead).

                    • ladydawnelle

                      sniff, sniff

                      I miss the Clintons

                      (and I admit I never voted for Bill)

                      I’ve learned a LOT growing up. ;-)

                      Bill may wear the pants but Hillary’s pantsuits SPARKLE!! An otherwise not so brilliant diamond cluster w/out our gal.

                      She’s worthy of any honest comparisons and walks all OVER them. IMO.

                      HILLARY good LUCK keeping your shine in THIS administration of DIRT! pft..

                  • Portia Elizabeth

                    Just because Bill Gates dropped out of college doesn’t mean he got bad grades. Maybe he was simply bored, knew what he wanted to do and decided not to wait any longer to do it. maybe he was an A student who felt it was a waste of time to fulfill requirements by studying art history, etc.

              • MN in SN

                Once they accept you into Harvard Law, they don’t let you fail. I hear that roughly half the class graduates cum laude.

                • Arabella Trefoil

                  True. It’s considered embarrassing to Harvard Law that they picked “the wrong sort” during the admissions process.

                • Tiger

                  According to the following link from Harvard Law School, for the classes of 2002 through 2006, cum laude has been top 30% of the class.
                  http://www.law.harvard.edu/academics/registrar/2006-07/honors_cutoffs_2006htm.htm

                  • Chris Vosburg

                    Obama was Magna cum Laude, top 10%.

                    • elise

                      Chris, I thought you would have given up on this fight, but since you haven’t I would like to point out the placement of a student at Harvard depends on a number of variables the most important being a recommendation by from a faculty member.

                      How are degrees magna cum laude determined?

                      http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~advising/honors.html

                      “Each June, a combined total of 20% of the class will graduate summa cum laude and magna cum laude. In order to graduate magna cum laude, students must be recommended for “highest honors” or “high honors” by their concentration, have a grade point average that puts them in the top 20% of all students recommended for “highest honors” or “high honors,” and have not been recommended for a degree summa cum laude.”

                      Notice the part about the top 20% GPA of those recommended . I’m not suggesting Obama was a honor student because he was part of an affirmative action program or that it would embarrass Harvard to have a graduating senior who is Editor of the Law Review. I’m open to being convinced by adequate proof of his intellectual prowess.

                      My skepticism may stem from actual memories of the special efforts to bring minorities (women are placed in this group though I don’t understand why) and colleges and universities up to parity and end discrimination.

                      Lest you are tempted to innuendos of racism, I will say now I have always supported affirmative action and do to this day even though the idea is no longer accepted across the board by Republicans or Democrats.

                      I just want a “transparent” vetting which should have been done in the primaries by the DNC and the media. If it is required of other presidential candidates, no one should be excluded. Obama came out of nowhere and everything he has written in his books is accepted as fact. Even someone more modest and less egocentric than your average pol, might be tempted to make their past look prettier and more exotic than reality.

                    • elise

                      Excuse me, an addition: “it would embarrass Harvard to have a graduating senior who is Editor of the Law Review, but does not graduate with honors.”

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      Sorry Elise, it’s meaningless.

                      Harvard 1991, remember? Not 2009.

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      I’m sorry, Elise, that was brusque and dismissive, and especially after all the crap I gave Berfle about how useless his comments are, I should endeavor to be more helpful.

                      Look, despite the differnce posed by chronology in the latin awads, more importantly your link points to the criteria used by Harvard College. Harvard College is most definitely part of Harvard University– one of the Harvard “schools” as Harvard U puts it– but it is the undergraduate school and therefore irrelevant to Obama’s education there (he was in Harvard law as a post-grad). Strictly speaking there isn’t a “law” component to Harvard College at all.

                      See Tiger’s link for a breakdown on how the latin honors broke down in the law school and you’ll see that I was giving you the troo fax.

                      Glad I could help.

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      Incidentally, I note in passing that you have gone from claiming that nothing is known of Obama’s academic record to haggling over what is the import of “Magna Cum Laude”.

                      [sigh] I suppose that is progress of some sort, although I doubt it will make any difference to you or the many Obama detractors lacking clear reasons for their antipathy and desperately seeking same.

                      As I say, you can hardly be surprised when people characterize this as racism– if you can’t even rationally defend what you choose to believe, best be ready to have people characterize your belief as irrational, and if you’re talking about a black guy in what is essentially a white male dominated world, best be ready to have that characterized as racism.

                      ‘Cause you know we characterizers sho am lazy an’ shif’less.

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      Note to file:

                      Patient E. has clearly achieved Kubler-Ross stage 3 (bargaining), but is hovering on the edge of stage 4 (depression). Caution required.

                      Patient Ferd B. still between stage one and stage two (denial/anger), after extensive treatment. Thus have no further confidence in or endorsement of counseling-based therapy techniques. Antipsychotic prescriptive regimen may make a difference, though patient appears more likely than most to require further observation, with regard to Tardive Dysphrenia.

              • Ferd Berfle

                It’s just a silly argument.

                And I’m curious: Did you support McCain in the general election? How do you feel about the fact that he graduated 894th out of a class of 899 at the Naval Academy (not example Harvard Law School.)

                Not silly considering Shrubby graduated from an Ivy League school and certainly isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer. It isn’t from where you graduate but how much you put into it, a fact which is obviously lost on someone as terminally obtuse as you.

                As if it were any of your business, I am a staunch HRC supporter, which does not translate into supporting that callow, shallow Oblahblah. And yes, I did vote for McCain. He released all his requested records. He is also a real patriot. I’m not even sure what That One is, aside from a pandering pontificating provocateur.

                I don’t care about what position McCain graduated in–I only care that he released the records. Why won’t your false Messiah release his, obamabot? Something to hide? Come on, little None-ya, you have all the damn answers.

                BTW: Where did you learn the Obama goose-step, little man–at bot day camp? I hear they gave all of you beanies with yellow propellers and a blue plastic chinstrap to keep it on your chubby, bobbing little heads .

                • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                  McCain didn’t “release his records.” Those records were leaked by someone. It’s such nonsense that all you care about are transcripts being released. Does that stop you from supporting other political candidates? As far as I know Hillary Clinton never released her transcripts – did you support her? Your entire premise is so ridiculously flawed that it’s actually comical.

                  And I notice you cannot seem to make an “argument” without throwing in a whole load of personal insults. To me that says a lot about the lack of merit to your arguments.

                  • mel

                    Well here is a fact Mousy-poo, Obama during the campaign talked about his thesis several times on how he wrote about nuclear disarmerment at Col U!

                    So Odumbo made it public and thus everyone has a right to read what he wrote, since he is now talking of nuclear disarmerment as POTUS, or is he scared he got a failing grade by his PROF, and that is why he had it burried?

                    Or are his ideas on his paper so stupid, it will expose what a nutjob he is?

                    You cannot argue one way or another on it since you never read it, but Obama talked about it, so put up as the saying goes, well except in your messiah’s way of life and that of your ACORN friends!

                    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                      Name Calling: CHECK.

                      Assuming Things For No Reason: CHECK.

                      Alright, you’re going to have to do better. I’d love to have a logical adult argument but this isn’t going to cut it. Please bring it up a notch!

                      But I must say the entire argument that we should be looking over Obama’s papers from when he was in college is so obviously insane to me as to not even be worth considering.

                      How about we live in the here and now instead of trying to dig up irrelevant dirt on Obama’s past?

                    • Chris Vosburg

                      So Odumbo made it public and thus everyone has a right to read what he wrote, since he is now talking of nuclear disarmerment as POTUS, or is he scared he got a failing grade by his PROF, and that is why he had it burried?

                      He spoke of it because he wrote it and therefore thought a great deal about it, obviously (you might take a hint, mel).

                      Incidentally, once again I’ll point out that his professor in the honors course who graded the paper said he got an A on the paper, and was one of the best students in the class.

                      The link to the professor’s comment is provided upthread in response to some dolt’s similar complaint; I’m sure you can find it– search on commments made by someone named “mel.”

                • Chris Vosburg

                  Berfle writes: As if it were any of your business, I am a staunch HRC supporter, which does not translate into supporting that callow, shallow Oblahblah. And yes, I did vote for McCain. He released all his requested records. He is also a real patriot.

                  If you were all that staunch, why didn’t you do what Hillary asked you to to do, and did herself?

                  Having lost the primary, and yeah I voted for her, she said the closest thing to putting her in the office was Obama, and cast her full support to him.

                  Smart lady, as always. Good advice. Why you no listen? Maybe you have other problem, described earlier in answer to decrementing “three reasons” comment.

            • Elizabeth

              I thought Obama’s delivery at the third press conference was, in rare form, basically fluid…or since I don’t know the minutes of uhhs and ahhs, maybe I should say surprisingly less bumbling than usual. And the teleprompter apparently DID go out on him after the prepared opening remarks.

              Must have been back on the drugs for the fourth one, though, since it showed once again complete lack of confidence and knowledge not to be able to answer questions when you have to uh um read the answers off a um teleprompter.

        • Animal Control

          Brilliant is the word I heard most often. Has yet to prove it however.

    • pm317

      Yep, exactly — see who are calling him the “smartest” guy. If it is the media or his cronies (as it most certainly is here), forget about it. That is another lie perpetrated to obfuscate the truth.

  • marktarheel

    is there anyone at columbia we could bribe to get the information?……im only half kidding

    • Portia Elizabeth

      I would donate to that cause in a NY minute.

      • Katmoon

        I’m in!

      • Chris Vosburg

        I would donate to that cause in a NY minute.

        Send your contributions to David Bossie, right wing hit man and certified madcap, who took out a ad in the Columbia newssheet offering a reward for the same.

        Go ahead, crank the crazy up to eleven and rip the knob off.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      Somebody will leak it at some point. All it takes is one disgruntled employee.

      Actually, my bet is that there is nothing to leak. Maybe Obama didn’t take any courses, sit in any lectures, take any exams, etc. He studied. That could mean anything, including reading astrology columns in newspapers.

      Nobody has come forward with any stories about Obama during his college years. Like “Sure I remember Barry. He was always bumming cigarettes off me.”

      • tminu

        That’s what I believe is the case, especially Columbia where his own polysci ’83 classmates do not remember him, not even the class president.

        Obummer’s benefactors and mentors bought his diplomas.

    • b mathews

      maybe if we all chipped in and posted a reward for anyone having any incriminating evidence about obama, someone would surely come forward. any takers?

  • mel

    There is no way BHO will ever expose his BC because he knows there is no way America would tollorate a POTUS that is an illigitimate son of a Communist such as Frank Marshall Davis!

    Investigate, compare pictures of BHO Sr, BHO Jr and Frank Marshall Davis, pay particular attention to the hairlines and the ears, they are dead giveaways of who BHO Jr’s sperm donor was and wasn’t!

    • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

      That is one of my theories also. His mom sure got around with a lot of non-white men for the 60′s. Was not a very well accepted thing in those days, you kind of stood out. So you would think neighbors in Hawaii would remember her living there if that was their address when she had a little black baby. I dont think she did live there. I could have placed the birth announcement troll in the paper. It is not a form of any proof, it is merely like an ad to sell a car. Anyone can place them.
      All of the authorities that examined the copy online state that it is his sisters and is a frauded copy. They state that markings, margins etc are not the same as the year he was born.

      But: Pay attention trolls you will like this one-
      Remember when Obama stated to Ortega dont blame him for the bay of pigs because he was only 3 months old. Well if that is true, his birthdate is wrong because he was not born yet during the bay of pigs. April 1961! Or is this the made up birthday after she had time to fly here after his birth and claim he was born here? Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

      • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

        Actually there’s a thread at obambi.wordpress.com by Andy Martin that says to substitute Frank Marshall Davis for Obama Sr. and things start to make sense.

        It’s an enigma wrapped in a mystery…or however that goes.

      • smrstrauss

        Re: “I could have placed the birth announcement troll in the paper. It is not a form of any proof, it is merely like an ad to sell a car. Anyone can place them.”

        Answer: Actually, no. The announcements that appeared in the newspapers of Hawaii were not advertising. NOT advertising. They were sent out by the Department of Vital Records of Hawaii, which sent them out for all the children born in Hawaii–but not for children born outside of Hawaii. Repeat: These were not advertisments placed by the family. They were public notices issued by the government of Hawaii.

        Re: “All of the authorities that examined the copy online state that it is his sisters and is a frauded copy. They state that markings, margins etc are not the same as the year he was born.”

        Answer: Total Baloney! The documents were not forged. Two guys (not all the authorities) said that the document was forged, and one of the two guys will not use his real name.

        This guy, a conservative blogger based in Hawaii who does not like Obama, puts it better than I can:

        Quotes:
        Barack Obama: Born in Hawaii By: Andrew Walden
        FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, April 01, 2009

        A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama’s upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama’s numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai’i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

        Obama’s birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawaii gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama’s birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers printed an identical list of birth announcements supplied to them by the Hawaii State Department of Health. Conspiracists have made much of the fact that the Territory of Hawaii gave a phony birth certificate in 1904 to Chinese republican leader Sun Yat Sen for diplomatic reasons. But the modern State of Hawaii has never supplied Certification of Live Birth indicating US birth for foreign-born children.

        end quotes

        • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

          I couldn’t put it any better than that either. It’s just absolutely insane to me that people are so intent on going with this whole birth certificate meme. It really does the Obama haters a disservice actually because it makes them all look absolutely NUTS.

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        Um… Do you remember things from when you were born? I was born in 1977 and I’d have to look it up to know whether I was alive when Elvis Presley was alive (he died in 1977.) This is just another example of looking for some grand conspiracy in an offhand remark.

        This is tin foil hat stuff. You have some idea in your head (with no facts to back it up) and then you’re looking for any shred of “evidence” that fits in with that idea. I’m not being mean when I say this borderline insane. I honestly thing you should seek help.

  • Mandelay

    I love the title of this article … reminds me of that song in My Fair Lady “Why can’t a woman, be more like a man?” Forgive me, more on topic, I always wondered if the issue was not about his grades (editor of the Law Review means good grades, yes?), but rather the courses he completed. What exactly did he study at these institutions? Who were his professors? His special projects? Written work?
    I don’t dispute the honors attached to his education, but I wonder about the content. Perhaps this is why it’s such a big secret? I don’t get it about Barack Obama. These details of his history should be well known by now and should be part of the legend he’s growing. These details could have been used to market him to the kids who can’t vote … yet. You know, “I wanna study political science or history or sociology, just like President Obama.” But we don’t know. A transcript would tell us this stuff. Transcripts reveal many dots to connect … what a student studied, the professors he kept company with, etc. President Obama has reportedly spent a lot of money to keep this info from us. BTW, is there any proof out there that he has indeed spent close to a million dollars in legal fees to keep his details private? That alone seems amazing. The devil’s in the details.

    • Portia Elizabeth

      Mandelay — I did some checking at the Harvard Law School website last year when it came up that BO had been chosen Prez for the Law Review. Ironically the past Presidents had been chosen based on GPAs. The year BO got it was the first year it was decided to vote for the position rather than award it on merit. The reasoning was that it allowed minorities a better chance. So basically it was a popularity contest and not an indication of scholarship.

      The info should still be available unless he’s had that scrubbed, too.

    • jbjd

      No, no, no, no, no. Editor of the (student run, completely separate entity from HLS) HLR would only mean, academically gifted if Editor was chosen in any part based on grades. In BO’s case, it was not.

      See

      IF YOU THINK BARACK OBAMA IS SO SMART, PROVE IT!
      http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/if-you-think-barack-obama-is-so-smart-prove-it/

      or

      OBAMA’S MYTHICAL INTELLIGENCE
      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.html

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Being able to speak truthfully and extemporaneously while recalling correct and pertinent facts on a subject, such as Hillary and Bill Clinton are able to do, is indeed an indicating marker of intelligence. Being able to tell jokes and get the inferences in jokes is another marker. Biden pulled off a good one and the media world braced for Obama to get mad. (Getting mad over a joke is not necessarily a correct response – and also indicates some possible issues with understanding language.)

    Obama is incapable of doing that. He has a markedly impaired recall of information, poor thought and sentence construction, and displays an extremely noticable disfluent speech pattern when put under pressure to perform off the cuff or without a carefully scripted speech.

    • Ferd Berfle

      Obama is incapable of doing that. He has a markedly impaired recall of information, poor thought and sentence construction, and displays an extremely noticable disfluent speech pattern when put under pressure to perform off the cuff or without a carefully scripted speech.

      You are spot on, Buzz.

      That One can’t simultaneously think, talk, stand, or sit without having his TelePrompTer. He fumbles terribly when he tries to ad lib or when he takes a question cold. Even Bush was better at it than Oblockhead.

      • Ellen D

        It’s always easier to speak if you are telling the truth. If you aren’t telling the truth you have to think about it more.

        • Ferd Berfle

          If you aren’t telling the truth you have to think about it more.

          Which, for That One, is the double-whammy.

      • Arabella Trefoil

        I think Obama may have circulatory problems, and that can impair speech. And smoking makes circulatory problems far worse.

        That’s why I think we didn’t see Obama’s medical records.

        • ConfusedAmerican

          Still no excuse forthat….Look at all the problems McCain has.

          • Arabella Trefoil

            Hi, ConfusedAmerican. I have an obsession about Obama’s circulatory system. Obama has blue lips and ears. He has to run the White House thermostat at a high temperature. People with circulatory problems feel cold all the time.

            Plus smoking (suicidal to any human being) creates clots that kill people! People think the only damage cigarettes do is cause cancer. Not true. And these clots can kill people at relatively young ages.

            Circulatory problems can cause cognitive problems too.

            Has Obama stopped smoking yet? My bet is no, he has not. That is both stupid and suicidal. I hope he takes care of his health, because the idea of Joe Biden as president is too much to bear.

            • lorac

              Plus, he eats meat. What’s his cholesterol level? That causes clots that lead to heart attacks and strokes.

  • Portia Elizabeth

    More interesting lies from BO courtesy of Newsmax:

    “[His uncle] told Spiegel that he was shocked to see his war experience, especially his “liberation” of a concentration camp, used in campaign commercials. He said he had never spoken with his nephew about the matter, nor did Obama ever express any interest in Payne’s experience.

    “I was quite surprised when the whole thing came up and Barack talked about my war experiences in Nazi Germany,” Payne said. “We had never talked about that before.”

    Payne doesn’t know where Obama came up with the fictitious Auschwitz connection.

    “He couldn’t have gotten it from me since we had never talked about this particular episode in the war,” said Payne. “

  • outlawales

    obama is a fraud from the get go,

    eventually even the left will see it

  • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

    There is a long list of vulnerability points for leaks, and there is a story behind every one of them:

    Soetoro adoption records –

    Punahou (Indonesia) School records –

    Passports records –

    Any INS (Immigration & Naturalization Services) or port of entry documentation which may have been generated in his infancy or childhood –

    Selective Service Registration (Released, but is possibly an altered document) –

    Harvard Law Review articles (None, maybe 1, not signed) –

    University of Chicago scholarly articles (None) –

    Law practice client list –

    Illinois State Senate records (locked up to prohibit public view) –I

    llinois State Senate schedule (Lost. All other Illinois State Senators’ records are intact) –

    Baptism certificate –

    Medical records -

    • MN in SN

      Didn’t he file his selective service registration recently, because he had forgotten to do so when he was 18? I remember him saying he didn’t have to register because the law had expired until it was reinstated during the Carter admin. I thought that odd, because I was in that age group, and had to explain why I wasn’t registered for the draft every time I registered for school. That window was 18 months and he is allegedly 2 yrs and a month younger than me. Either he enrolled in college as a foreigner, or he is a few months older thatn he claims

      • Docelder

        Don’t know how you would forget that. I remember doing it after high school when turning 18. It was all everybody was talking about practically that you needed to do it. It was just a card to fill out at the post office.

      • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

        They say there was none and when he started his political life one just showed up, but they say it is probably a fraud. Or, see my earlier comment about the bay of pigs comment and his birthday. I think he is a few months older than he claims if that comment is true. He slipped and told the truth.

    • MN in SN

      Didn’t he file his selective service registration recently, because he had “forgoten” to do so when he was 18? I remember him saying he didn’t have to register because the law had expired until it was reinstated during the Carter admin. I thought that odd, because I was in that age group, and had to explain why I wasn’t registered for the draft every time I registered for school. That window was 18 months and he is allegedly 2 yrs and a month younger than me. Either he enrolled in college as a foreigner, or he is a few months older thatn he claims.

    • MN in SN

      Didn’t he file his selective service registration recently, because he had “forgotten” to do so when he was 18? I remember him saying he didn’t have to register because the law had expired until it was reinstated during the Carter admin. I thought that odd, because I was in that age group, and had to explain why I wasn’t registered for the draft every time I registered for school. That window was 18 months and he is allegedly 2 yrs and a month younger than me. Either he enrolled in college as a foreigner, or he is a few months older than he claims.

      • ConfusedAmerican

        Strange but if I remember right the same group that showed the birth certificate showed a selective service registration that was from back when he was 18, or 19 … But many questioned it due to the registration number versus date on it…

        • Docelder

          Maybe that is some of the concern with the COLB document. Maybe it wasn’t applied for at the proximate time of birth. Maybe it wasn’t until some years later when he came back to go to school in Hawaii with the grandparents. He probably needed one then, and didn’t have one, so they got an affidavit certifying the live birth at that time. Maybe a long form Hawaii certificate does not then exist.

  • Fae

    New bid to unseal Obama’s birth certificate
    Challenge claims Hawaii waived privacy by talking about document!

    http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99437

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Go Andy Martin,

      Hey I truly hope that Obama is eligible to be president of the US. Because if you add that fraud up with all that Obama has been saying and doing to the US we as a Americans will have a long road ahead to crawl before we can stand tall in the World.
      Already Obama is making Americans crawl all around the world with his A$$ kising to the free world’s enemies.

      • Docelder

        Can you imagine though… if he is not? How do you impeach somebody who was never a legal President to begin with? Is there even a procedure for doing so? Would every law he signed be null as well as every agreement he has made with foreign governments be null? There is a lot of question here beyond the obvious.

        • http://patriotparty1 patriotparty1

          Then the whole election would be void and get this Dick Cheney would be president. At least that is the litany I have read.

          • Ferd Berfle

            Then the whole election would be void and get this Dick Cheney would be president.

            Actually he couldn’t since his term in office expired. What would happen is unclear to me. Another question for a lawyer.

            • Steve_in_KC

              The election would not be void. He would have to be removed from office by Congress, in which case the VP becomes President and submits a nominee for his new VP, to be decided by Congress. Biden as Pres would likely choose Hillary, but it’s not a foregone conclusion.

              In the event of emergency, the lines of succession are clearly defined, bringing up the possibility of the Speaker of the House (3rd in line)to become president if both the Pres and VP are whacked or otherwise out of commission.

              • Ferd Berfle

                Thanks for the info. I didn’t think Cheney could assume the office.

              • SWPAnnA

                or Pelosi.

                • http://noquarter foxyladi14

                  please GOD !!!! NO.!!!!!!

    • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

      Um… So what? So they’ll get to see the original that has the same information as the one everyone has already seen? This fascination with a birth certificate whose info has already been seen (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/images/2008/06/13/bobirthcertificate.jpg) is just truly confusing. I mean.. name me another Presidential candidate that released their birth certificate in that way? It’s actually quite insulting when you think about it. Why was he pressured into showing his birth certificate when no other candidate was?

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Surmising from the armchair that Obama is indeed a usurper, it’s important that his records come to light before the damage is too great.

    IMHO and it’s a guess only, he wouldn’t be impeached. He would be given the option of resigning or face arrest for criminal acts. Just as Nixon was given the option to resign or face stronger legal consequences, Congress would move to resolve the problem while inflicting the least damage and controversy.

    How far is the island of Elba from the United States, anyway?

    I wonder if the ghost of Napoleon Bonaparte wanders there?

    • ConfusedAmerican

      SInce we are at war wouldnt it be a war crime?
      I mean look at all the actions he has done involving the war especially GITMO

      • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

        Help, legal people out there! :-)

        • jbjd

          Okay, first, remember, you asked… I maintain that BO was lawfully elected President. Hand-picked Party faithful who were members of the Electoral College, ignoring Constitutional eligibility requirements, rubber-stamped his election; and Congress, demonstrating crass disdain for the country we elected them to serve, rubber-stamped the EC vote. He took the oath of office. He is POTUS, with all of the legal authority that entails. Now, having ‘waived’ him in to office, Congress will have to impeach him out.

          I never placed the burden of proof (of Constitutional eligibility) on BO; if he would not prove his eligibility, I could not imagine any rational person would vote for him.

          • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

            Okay, he’s impeached out of office – that’s good enough. Now for the scoundrels that ignored the constitutional eligibility requirements…:-)

  • ame

    WHITE HOUSE: SOTOMAYOR’S LATINA COMMENT WAS POOR CHOICE OF WORDS

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/05/29/white_house_calls_sotomayor_co.html?wprss=44

    Well, well, well….After days of denial, Obama finally admits that there was something wrong with the Sotomayor quote. Maybe his leadership will get the msm to also admit it.

    • Docelder

      My point exactly, he doesn’t really want Sotomayor. He really wants Kagan. He just wants to blame the republicans for denying a Latina woman the justice spot. He wants the republicans to waste their ammo on Sotomayer, and be forced to take Kagan. Kagan will advocate executive power. What does the most powerful man in the world want really… more power.

      • ame

        That doesn’t make sense. Obama is extremely arrogant; he thinks he can get away with anything. I’m sure someone advised him to put out the flames otherwise he wouldn’t have denounced the comment.

        • Docelder

          I think he is stoking the fires of discontent, because at this point he is afraid the republicans “get it” and are just going to take Sotomayor after a cursory evaluation. He just knew, or thought so, because the firefighter case was out there and the statements were there that the republicans would paint her as racist and go after her full tilt. Looks like they are onto him though, and are going to take her, maybe just to spite him. Therefore, Obama is stoking the fire himself, because he really wants Kagan. Somebody over thought this one.

          • ame

            No offense, but I think you are the one who over thought this. :-)

            • Docelder

              But we shall see. Now I see somebody is pointing out she is a member of La Raza. I just don’t think any of this just slipped by Obama’s people. I think they are baiting for a fight. Maybe there is more yet to come. So far Obama’a political actions have been carefully calculated. I think people have been planning this “change” for years. That is why Obama has a teleprompter attached to his waist and a script to go with it.

              • ame

                Obama does seem like a puppet. BTW, the telepromter is now being referred to as TOTUS. Heh Heh

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Perhaps now the media will take a better look at Sotomayor and get past the “woman” and”latina,” labels.

    We need the truth about her, her rulings, her track record, the number of rulings overturned, etc and just how that truthfully qualifies her to sit in the highest court.

    • ame

      I’m sure that the pending firefighter case is a concern for the White House.

    • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

      That’s the thing. If you look just at her record she’s a shoe in! She has had more judicial experience than any SC nominee in the past 100 years. And as far as that silly nonsense about her rulings being overturned by the SC – that’s just another half truth from the right wing spin machine. 3 of the 5 cases that she decided that the SC looked at were overturned. Oooh, bad, right? Except for the fact that 75% is the average rate so her 60% is actually better than average. BTW, Alito had BOTH of his cases overturned. Furthermore this is a really dumb metric for many reasons (one of which is small sample size.)

  • Nocturnal Warrior

    It is also interesting that the pictures of Barry at Occidental are just surfacing. He posed as Barry “The Cool Black” Dude for someone’s art project. She had about two dozen shots and told the Today Show she kept them in the vault so as not to jeopardize the election.

    The pictures weren’t incriminating (we know he smokes cigs), but it shows an Afro wearing Barry (and that;s what he was called at Occidental) playing it cool.

    It may have been relevant to voters since the vast majority have no idea that he was Barry Soetoro for a long time before trying on a new identity as Barrack Obama the post racial world healer.

  • KmX

    We will only know Obama academic record when the media and his followers turn against him.

    • Patience

      I wonder sometimes if that will ever happen.

      When I check HuffPo and Daily Kos, it’s absolutely bewildering to see the lack of concern about so many policy decisions that’ve occured since the POTUS took office that they would be ABSOLUTELY RAVING MAD about if Bush or a Republican did the same thing. With only a few down-played exceptions now and then, they turn a blind eye over and over again. As well, when I ask my Obot husband what he thinks about this that or the other, I get a Stepford-like stare. These folks CANNOT countenance the reality of Obama. They prefer to cling to the myth and happy talk. They want the feel-good PR. If they’re not going to change their opinions of him for his many reversals of campaign promises, continuation of Bush policies, the profligate spending, etc., they’ll never care about his BC or college transcripts. Even to me, those things are water over the dam — I’m much more worried about the damage being done NOW.

      • NomNomNom

        lol, they are freakin today over the MTR. Huffpo titled it Breaking: EPA Clears Waterboarding Permits for Appalachia

        • Patience

          There were only NINE comments posted on that article and one of them was to remark how few comments there were.

          It’s a perfect illustration of my point. Thanks for pointing it out.

      • Ferd Berfle

        HuffPo and Daily KoHuffPo and Daily Kos are the Heaven’s Gate of the blogosphere. They think That One is their Hale-Bop. Perhaps they’re just trying to get recycled, too.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Drat. Fumble fingers at work. That should read HuffPo and Daily Kos are….

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        Patience, I disagree. I think many of us liberals are very concerned with Obama’s moves since becoming President. I’m very concerned that he’s going to possibly pass up his chance to be a truly transformative President who seriously moves this country to the left … I’m worried he will be Bill Clinton II – which is a huge improvement over George W. Bush – but not what I was hoping for.

        • Ferd Berfle

          I’m very concerned that he’s going to possibly pass up his chance to be a truly transformative President who seriously moves this country to the left

          Wow, you must have be getting your Kool-Aide in IV form at constant flow. Yeah, let’s follow up the right wing bank-breakers with left wing bank-breakers. That’s the ticket.

          What a dolt you are. Why don’t you get yourself a job and stop looking to those of us who actually work to pay your way.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            I’m self employed – I own a profitable business. I’m actually doing very well financially. This is not just about me, it’s about the country (and the world) as a whole. We have to move away from a greed centered Reagonomics based economy and move towards local economies (read Deep Economy to learn more) that are focused more on quality of life, sustainability, and the environment and less on economic growth for it’s own sake.

            • Ani

              But Obama touted Reaganomics. He complimented it and Reagan regularly. At Bill Clinton’s expense, by the way, who, in his sleep was a far better president than Reagan.

              • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

                This isn’t true. Obama never touted Reaganomics. What he did do was say that Reagan was able to change the country in a fundamental way (towards the right) as President, Clinton was not able to do that. Clinton was a centrist President. He was good, no doubt. But he wasn’t the transitional President that Reagan was. Please note that I’m not saying Reagan was a good President, he was not. He was horrible. And likewise Obama didn’t say he was a good President or that his policies were good. He was only saying that he was able to move the country in a new direction. (Unfortunately it was in the wrong direction.)

            • NomNomNom

              well here I go painting a big fat target on my head: actually, BHO criticized Reaganomics.
              http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/21/obama-why-reaganomics-didnt-work-spread-the-wealth.html
              Of course he’s doing the same freaking things as Reagan, and whatever comes out of his mouth is hardly correlated to his actions, but he did criticize Reaganomics.
              And A-Nony-Mouse I agree with this part of your statement at least, “We have to move away from a greed centered Reagonomics based economy and move towards local economies (read Deep Economy to learn more) that are focused more on quality of life, sustainability, and the environment and less on economic growth for it’s own sake.” I just can’t imagine thinking BHO is a path to doing so anymore than was Reagan.

            • Portia Elizabeth

              I have a real problem with accepting your statements as fact. First of all, small business owners are going to be among the first casualties of BO’s new plans for America. You’d have to kiss your profits good-bye. And that leads to another thing. If you’re truly doing so well financially, how can you support a Prez who’d heavily tax your assets? Nope. Not buying your story at all. But it was an interesting try.

              • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                Nice “logic” there. By that “logic” no Hollywood stars actually support Obama either (they are all rich you know, why would they want their taxes raised.) Also Oprah Winfrey, closet Republican because she’s rich? How about George Soros? Billionaire Obama supporter. Warren Buffet too.

                Need I go on? Please reevaluate your logical thinking process, it is deeply flawed.

                • Portia Elizabeth

                  As I pointed out, if you truly were what you claim, you would understand my comment. Hence more proof that you are making a false claim. I, on the other hand, happen to be among the group BO plans to raise taxes on. I am insulted and beyond furious that my family’s hard-earned assets will be depleted to fund projects like ACORN so that ne’er-do-wells can have an easier life.
                  As for Ms. Winfrey, I am quite convinced she is getting some sort of compensation for her support. She is already benefitting from the publicity. Who knows? Maybe she’s trying for an ambassadorship. I hear those can be bought nowadays.

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            Also I must say that your assumption that I don’t work and don’t make money is a bit disturbing to me. Do you really buy into this crazy idea that all liberals are on welfare or something?

            My mother is a self made millionaire (she was poor when I was growing up so no, I didn’t grow up rich – we were even on food stamps at one point) and she’s almost as liberal as I am. So sorry there buddy. There are many liberals who work very hard and who make plenty of money. This isn’t about us – it’s about everyone.

            • Ferd Berfle

              Yeah, sure mack–like a believe a NQ troll who is so anal retentive that he feels the need to come shove his wretched dreck upon people who come here to get away the prattle of slack-jawed Obamabots like you. Go soak your head in a thimble, microcephalous miscreant.

              Judging from the content of your comments, which come right out of Obamabot camp PowerPoint presentations, I’d say you’re about 12, with cheetoh breath and a basement to call home.

              • JustMe~~

                Those food stamps always find a way of creeping in…. must be a way to the top get rich off the back of food stamps.

                Where do we go to collect them?

                • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

                  Do you have any point at all with that comment? If so please clarify what it is. It’d be great to actually have an adult conversation instead of this sort of… well whatever it is.

              • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

                Impressive slew of imaginative name calling there.

                I bet you would have a much better grasp of reality if you spent more time acquiring real information instead of making up identities for people you know nothing about.

        • Benjamin

          Obama is not liberal; Obama is not conservative. Obama is actually non-ideological. He’s the perfect Alinskyite – into achieving power by any means possible.

          Look at some of things he has done already. He already has control of some of the top banks, Citigroup and others, and he won’t allow any to pay back TARP money. He states publicly that he doesn’t want to be in the auto business, but look at how the Chrysler deal played out, and now GM. Hell, if the government bails out California, he’ll have his own state. It will become Calibama.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    she has to be judged on her merits,not race or gender…

    • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

      Absolutely. That’s what’s so disturbing about these attacks on her. By her merits she is an exceptional nominee. She has more judicial experience than any SC nominee in the last 100 years! Compare her to Clearance Thomas who wasn’t particularly qualified at all. The Salon article comparing Sotomayor to Thomas is a good one to check out. It really exposes the hypocrisy of the right wingers who are going after Sotomayor.

  • tek

    I just re-read her remark that because she’s Latino and female she’ll reach better decisions. It’s not a very diplomatic remark, I do believe Latinos think they are a cut above everyone else. The state of Latin America should tell them otherwise, but the hispanic/Americans and hispanics I know do have a hubris. That’s what worries me about having so many of them coming in here (that and they don’t seem to respect the law).

    • Ferd Berfle

      That’s what worries me about having so many of them coming in here (that and they don’t seem to respect the law).

      The problem there, though, is that if we start throwing out ethnic groups due to a perceived adherence or non-adherence to the law, we might find ourselves without anyone to man the ship of state. Hell, we have native-born citizens who don’t give a tinker’s cuss about the law. You can name any group and I can probably give you examples.

  • Docelder

    I know this is off the specific letter of the topic, but it is interesting to read that Pravda thinks we are on the fast track to Marxism. Not socialism, but Marxism. They also do a fair job of smacking down Obama.

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/

    • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

      Marxism? Are you kidding me!?! Obama won’t even get us single payer health care for God’s sake. It’s amazing to me that people say stuff like this. Obama isn’t even much of a liberal – much less a Marxist. The dude is a centrist pragmatist in the mold of Bill Clinton. I’ve yet to be convinced he’s going to seriously move this country to the left (which I WANT) … I’m hopeful he will. But as of right now all of the conservatives fears seem quite unfounded.

      • Docelder

        Pravda is the Russian newspaper. Russia used to be Marxists, and they think we are headed that way. I just think that is interesting to say the least. I also think they are in part right, about the oligarchs holding the ultimate power. It certainly is not with the people, and politicians are just along for the ride… and the perks.

        • Ferd Berfle

          I’m inclined to agree with you on this one.

        • NomNomNom

          The article may have appeared in Pravda but there’s something wrong with it. I could not find the author “Stanislav Mishin” in eastview’s database. He’s not in wiki.ru either: I’m thinking he’s not any kind of real journalist. Also his blog, Mat Rodina (Mother Homeland) is english only.

          • NomNomNom

            I should say, I’m no expert at perusing databases, maybe someone else will try? You can get a trial subscription.

            • NomNomNom

              :sad: my Russian is entirely too crappy. I have “ask(ed) a librarian”. Hope they can tell me more about the author.

              • Docelder

                You know what, I have been looking that site over and I find it way more entertaining to read than most of the American newspaper sites. I don’t know what that means, our government is talking of making newspapers non-profit to save them and here Pravda is becoming something interesting at the same time ours are dying off. I think Russia is an up and coming economy as our system is choking in bureaucracy. I am checking into it further if only to satisfy a curiosity.

                • NomNomNom

                  I checked officialrussia, got nothing; went through hundreds of entries on yandex.ru. I can’t find one thing this dude has written that’s not in english.
                  Here’s a funny article he wrote about toilets a few days ago, lol.
                  http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/12666/

  • mountainaires

    We’re all still wondering, LJ. And, thanks for bringing it up!

  • Retired

    Larry,

    My buddies at the Agency’s documents lab tell me that BO’s “genuine” birth certificate is ready. The head of of the lab said, “It took us five months, but it’s a beaut!”

    Trouble is, the lab and the surreptitious entry guys are balking about actually slipping the BC into place in the vault in Hawaii for the “unsealing” until something is done about “that lying bitch Pelosi.”

    Got any ideas about what Rahmbo and Axe are going to do about Pelolsi? Obviously, that BC is more important to the Obama machine that Nancy will ever be. And of course, the lab is still working on aging his transcripts and putting them in sequence into the Columbia and Harvard imaged archives, but that deal will be ready in a month or so, as well. I’m thinking Nancy will have to go. What does Rahmbo say?

    • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

      I can’t tell if this is snark or what? I mean… It seems like so many people talking about his birth certificate have never actually got a birth certificate from a state. I recently had to get one sent to me because I had lost the copy I had. I can only imagine what the conspiracy theorists would say about it!

      I think this whole thing is so insane because I’ve never heard of any politician being asked for their birth certificate before. It’s just a ridiculous notion. Obviously he had a passport – you can’t get that without that sort of basic info (I know about this process as that’s why I had a new BC sent to me recently, I needed it to attain a passport.)

      I just really wish people could step back a few feet and realize just how nuts they are being. Just the realization would be a beautiful thing.

      Obama’s BC has already been presented. His birth was announced in two local Hawaii papers. That’s what’s so crazy. There’s actually MORE proof of Obama being born in America than of any Presidential candidate I can remember. I never saw Mitt Romney’s birth certificate!

      • mel

        Your logic and your responses are so rediculous it is beyond reality!

        First off, the presented BC on Obama’s website was a fake, proven fake!

        Second, anyone can pay a paper to announce a birth, true or not, no one checks it out!

        Third, Obama had his BC and all other records placed under lock and key, only someone hiding something does that, an honest person doesn’t now do they?

        Fourth, you support a liar who you continually just repeat his words and those of his campaign stooges without a single fact to back you up!

        Fifth, here is proof Obama is a liar, FISA, His being a product of Selma and his supposed father being a part of the Kennedy airlift, all lies, even restated by your pathological lying messiah in a church, goes towards a full proof he has no shame and believes his own disproven words of his life!

        Lastly Obamabot, you should take a step back and only open your mouth when it has something more proven than those of a liar and his lying cohorts, but with factual proof!

        • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

          1 – How has it been proven fake? The State of Hawaii said it was the real deal. How many people are in on this supposed “conspiracy” exactly?

          2 – So way back in 1961 Obama’s mother had the local paper announce Obama’s birth while she was in Kenya? Really? Why did she do that exactly? I mean just seriously – you actually believe that?

          3 – Like I said, I’ve never seen any other politicians birth certificate. It seems to me that Obama has actually revealed MORE than the average politician! Your statement is nonsensical. Obama has every right to basic privacy just as other politicians do.

          4 – I don’t support Obama, I support a liberal agenda. I a logical type person. I don’t get into this whole personal thing. This whole politics of identity. I think it skews people’s ability to think straight. Whether it’s supporters or people filled with hatred, neither of them can look at things rationally. I support Obama when he does something I agree with, and I don’t when he doesn’t. It’s the issues that matter. I’m definitely far to the left of what Obama has done in office so far – but am I glad he’s in there instead of the Republicans? Hell yes. It’s the lesser of 2 evils in my view.

          5 – All politicians have been caught in a few untruths here and there. Obama seems to get caught up in them less than most.

          • mel

            1. give a link to someone in authority and not an Obama democrat from Hawaii stating his posted BC was real! Even though it has factually been proven to be a fake!

            2. Provide the links to the birth announcements, which are useless anyhow since nothing can be verified as to them being factual.

            3. Bullshit, McCain provided his to people proving his birthright as an american citizen at birth. Obama being a public servant has no privacy when he is acting in a fraudulant way against the Constitution and the American people. Especially since he wrote about himself publically and his publishings have been proven to be lies, once a liar always a liar and be a fool to believe in such a liar, says it all about you!

            4. So you support early detention, a liberal policy being sought be the head of the democratic party and POTUS? You support FISA? You support coal mining stripping of mountain tops to name a few? These are all liberal agendas created by the liar who in his campaign speeches said never to all of them! But you still defend him!

            5. That is utter BS, everytime Obama opens his mouth off script as most pathological liars do, gets caught in his web of lies and stupidity!

          • mel

            One question directly for you Mousy, which ACORN office do you work from because you post exactly like a half trained community organizer?

            So e honest and tell everyone which sector of ACORN you work from!

            • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

              I work for myself. I have no boss.

              I find it quite interesting that so many folks feel they have to try and pigeonhole people who don’t go along with their insane conspiracy theories.

              Listen – You don’t have to be in ACORN to think that Obama was born in Hawaii. You just have to be a rational human being.

              The fact is Obama was born in Hawaii – he has a birth certificate in Hawaii. They only have birth certificates for people born there. End of story. There’s just nothing else to say about it. When you keep prattling on about something so obvious it makes you seem entirely unhinged, like you have no ability to think rationally.

              Step back a bit and look again at this issue without prejudice and perhaps you will understand.

              • mel

                The fact is Obama was born in Hawaii – he has a birth certificate in Hawaii. They only have birth certificates for people born there. End of story. There’s just nothing else to say about it. When you keep prattling on about something so obvious it makes you seem entirely unhinged, like you have no ability to think rationally.

                Here is what Obama posted as his BC, a fake, with no seal or signature showing, thus avoiding complete fraud:

                http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bo_birthcert.jpg

                Now here is the rules on Hawaii BC’s:

                A “Certification of Live Birth” is a short form birth certificate. The information included in the document may differ from state to state. A “Certification of Live Birth” from Hawaii will include the name and sex of the person, date of birth, hour of birth, island of birth, county of birth, mother’s maiden name, mother’s race, father’s name, father’s race, date accepted by registrar, a certificate number and seal. The seal may be different depending on the year it was printed.

                A Birth Certificate, or “Certificate of Live Birth,” is the long form birth certificate and contains more detailed information, including signatures of doctor(s), witnesses, vital statistics (length and weight), etc.

                According to the Department of Hawaiian Homelands:

                “In order to process your application (to verify that you are a genuine native Hawaiian), DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”
                Per Hawaiian law, Statue 338.13, any certified copies of the original document can serve the same purpose as the original document.

                “(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.”

                Usually the certification is stamped and signed on the lower reverse side of the document and says “I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of Health.”

                So where is the Certificate of Live Birth that Obama is paying a fortune not to show, why is he hiding it, what is he hiding or for that matter not able to really provide?

    • TeakWoodKite

      I can’t tell if this is snark or what?

      What it is , is dam funny and on the mark.

      I never saw Mitt Romney’s birth certificate! me niether, but then I don’t recall him being asked for it either.

      Pssst! Hey Pelosi….

      Here come da judge bus…here come da bus..

      • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

        Exactly. He wasn’t asked for it and neither was any other candidate. The question is – why is Obama being asked for it? I think it says something very disturbing and it’s not about Obama – it’s about those who think there’s something “un American” about Obama just because he doesn’t fit into the stereotypical idea of what an American is. Obama has lived in the United States for all but a few years of his youth – to say he’s somehow not an American is just… nonsense.

        • mel

          Obama: I did not know Tony Rezko was doing that, I thought he was a good guy! Bill Ayers is just some guy in my neighborhood. And the list goes on and on!

          In bed with lying crooks and terrorists, working together with terrorists and taking money from lying crooks makes you a party to being a what? Cool guy?….lmao

          Opps, forgot, Rezko has only been found guilty but not sentenced yet……lol

          • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

            How does that relate to anything I just wrote? Yes Obama has had some questionable people in his life… Who hasn’t? I don’t find Tony Rezko or Bill Ayers particularly interesting and I guess the majority of the rest of America didn’t either. It’s WEAK.

            • mel

              Unlike your logic, it has everything to do with what you said, everything in Obama”s life is crooked, shadey and dishonest, so is your pathetic claim to being a liberal and not caring one way or another about Obama and yet you defend him tooth and nail all the tie just goes to show how weak and pathetic you are in your statements on here.

              And why won’t you tell everyone what chapter of ACORN you work for?

              • PainkillerJayne

                Well said Mel.

              • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                I care about logic and honest debate. That’s why some of the comments here rub me the wrong way. I think in many ways they represent everything wrong with America. So many people who just cannot think clearly.

                • Retired

                  ANM wrote: “So many people who just cannot think clearly.”
                  Spoken like a true insider. (Sorry, Teak, I just couldn’t resist when I am slow-pitched a perfect straight line.)

  • Babs

    I have always thought that the break in at the Department of State passport office, cloaked in the rhetoric of a “nosy employee”, was in reality to remove the passport records of Obama when he was in college. I believe his very anti-American mother revoked his American citizenship (or Kenyan citizenship?)when they were living in Indonesia, and he became an Indonesian citizen. His grades from Occidental could not have been that great since by his own admission he was doing drugs and messing around. Then how does he get into very competitive Columbia as just a plain transfer student? He doesn’t, unless he was admitted as a foreign student. I used to think I was reading too many Tom Clancy novels, but there is just too much hidden away about this fraud to not demand the “transparency” he so often lays claim to.

    • Tiger

      1. Anti-American mother?
      2. Someone can revoke citizenship for someone else?
      3. His grades at Occidental couldn’t have been great?
      4. He doesn’t get into Columbia unless he was admitted as a foreign student?

      Is any of this true?

      • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

        No. It’s not. It’s nothing but a bunch of paranoid delusional ranting.

        • Ferd Berfle

          And you would know paranoid and delusional, asylum denizen.

          • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

            *sigh* I would? How exactly? Name calling with no factual basis to back it up is quite tiresome.

            • Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

              None-ya moosey!

              Bamboozeled I tell ya! You’ve been bamboozeled! And to think you paid for that supposed education you told us about.

              Hey, did you hear they questioned the old white guy about his eligibility for the Presidency? Can you believe it? It must be because he was that color.

              Stop the defenderfest!

              • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

                Who are “they” ? I never questioned McCain – I thought that was just as ridiculous as this. And of course McCain was actually not born in the US. But who cares? If you have an American parent then you’re an American – I think this whole thing is utterly ridiculous.

                • Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

                  Look none-ya moosey the agitator!

                  You called people RACIST yesterday who were discussing the BC issue. You didn’t call people who questioned JM’s eligibility for the Presidency racist. No, all you wanted to do was label them ridiculous. Why the double standard? Is it race or lunacy?

                  Stop the defenderfest “oh smart one.”

                  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

                    This isn’t an apt comparison. The McCain thing was frivolous and silly and I never supported it. I’ve really only heard people bring it up in response to people bringing up the Obama BC “issue.”

                    Obviously those who tried to get McCain on the technicality (of having not been technically born in America) were just trying to stir up political BS. There’s no reason to suspect it had anything to do with race. I’m sorry but white males are not a target of racism in the same way that black males are. If you can’t see that difference then you have a lot of history to look into.

                    Furthermore that McCain thing came and went with no real interest. On the other hand a certain segment has latched onto this Obama BC “issue” even though it has even less merit (unlike McCain, Obama was actually born in America) and they just won’t let go even though there’s absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Obama wasn’t born in America. The way the issue keeps bringing brought up despite there being no evidence for it does seem racist to me. Absolutely. I’m sure for some people it’s just general irrational hatred. For some, I think it is racism. They just can’t accept a black man is their President so they want to disqualify him somehow.

                    • ConfusedAmerican

                      strange that his Kenya grandmother says differently

                    • smrstrauss

                      Re: the grandmother allegedly said differently. No she didn’t. She said he was born in Hawaii.

                      Here is an extract from the complete transcript:

                      MCRAE: Was she present when he was born in Kenya?
                      BROTHER TOM: I think, uh, uh I think–
                      VOICE (in background): (unintelligible)
                      BROTHER TOM (in background): He is asking her that, uh, he wants to
                      know something that uh, was uh you, was they, was she present when, ah,
                      he was born. Were they they there then?

                      (Male voice in foreign language in background.)
                      TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: Yes, they say that yes she was. She was
                      present when Obama was born.
                      (McRae catches breath)
                      MCRAE: OK. Uh, when I come in December I would like to go by the, the
                      place, the hospital where he is born. Uh, could you tell me where he was
                      born? Was he born in Mombasa?

                      (Long pause. Puzzled sound from Translator Ogombe in background:
                      “naah?”)

                      BROTHER TOM: Uh, uh, I, I will need help. I think, uh I think, I kind of,
                      you know we’ll be coming December (unintelligible) and Vitalis, and I
                      talking to him, so I tell him–
                      TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (in background, simultaneously): –no, no–
                      what?!?
                      BROTHER TOM: –that you are a capitalist, that you were a little, that you
                      were a little, a little, a little American bus–
                      TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (responding to background voices, sounding
                      distressed): No–yes–
                      TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): No! Obama was not born in
                      Mombasa! He was born in America!
                      MCRAE: Wh-whereabouts, whereabouts was he born? I, I thought he was
                      born in Kenya.
                      TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: No he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
                      MCRAE: OK. Do you know whereabouts he was born?

                      TRANSLATOR OGOMBE: (Pause.) Huh?
                      MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
                      Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born.

                      (two male voices in background in foreign language speaking at the same
                      time. Mrs. Obama or another woman in background.)

                      VOICE (background): It was Hawaii.
                      VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background):
                      Hawaii.
                      BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?
                      VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.
                      TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.
                      TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in
                      Hawaii.
                      MCRAE: OK.

                      The transcript can be found at: (http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obamatranscriptlulu109.pdf)

                      One of the footnotes speculates that when the question was asked “was she present when he was born” the grandmother and others interpreted it as “was she present in KENYA” when he was born. They did not think that the McRae was asking was Obama present in Kenya when he was born.

                    • TeakWoodKite

                      They just can’t accept a black man is their President so they want to disqualify him somehow.

                      That is just what the doctor ordered. A-Nony-Mouse pulling the race card out his ass.

                      No evidence? If you think that I am a person that understands that there are more facts to the contrary (than your blindness permits) that disqualify BO, then I am your guy.

                      But understand this you jerk, A-Nony-Mouse, I couldn’t care less if the asshole was a white european that were railed against at the TUCC as BO sat listening for twenty years.

                      His race means shit to me. Is BO a poser and a chickenshit? you bet.

                      A-Nony-Mouse, what do you think would happen to you if you started calling people racist in public?

                    • Donna “Abigail Adams” Brazile

                      Exactly Teak:

                      My goodness people like nonsensical mouse do more harm to That One by bringing up race as an excuse. Unfortunately, they can’t see their own racist behavior.

                      Stop the excuse do to race fest!

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      Look, future Darwin Award Winner–it is you who are the racist by perpetually drawing it from the deck when your illogical arguments are taken apart premise by premise.

                      Like Bush, That One isn’t presidential material, irrespective of his color. That should be clear enough to get through your terminal obtuseness.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Tiger come in from the tall grass, k?

        So if like nony-mouse you “believe”, then what does it matter? The facts are irrelevent.

        You ask if it is true. Do you always ask to be spoon feed?

  • TeakWoodKite

    Why can’t a woman be more like a man?

    Tom Tancredo, who condemned Sotomayor on CNN Thursday for her membership in the National Council of La Raza, an organization he called “a Latino KKK without the hoods or the nooses.”
    On CNN Friday, La Raza president Janet Murguia disputed Tancredo’s statements about the 40-year-old group. The motto, she said, is not “All for the race, nothing for the rest,” the organization is very much “mainstream,” the group’s name does not translate to “the race” as understood in English.

    • rw

      “Raza” is race or breed, period. Unless of course she is talking about it being a “movement of racial/cultural identity”.

      For some reason, I believe “La Raza” got its name from Mexican writers Jose Vasconcelos (La Raza Cosmica) and/or Ocativo Paz (El Laberinto de la Solidad)….both wrote on the “mestizaje” (mixed race of Mexico and Chicano movement.

      • rw

        Sorry, tried to stop it, but….

        That should be “El Laberinto de la Soledad”

        In English: The Labyrinth of Solitude by Octavio Paz and The Cosmic Race by Jose Vasconcelos.

  • Texas Playwright

    Bothers me quite a lot, Larry. Them college records of bho the fraud are hiding bho the college fraud, the foreign student fraud, or something equally serious. Follow the money, follow the fascism choking our demcracy and you’ll have your answer.

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Did Janet Murguia define what La Raza means?

    Because other sources have quoted it as “The Race” including CNN.

    • Docelder

      “race” is the literal Spanish to English translator output. There could be another cultural meaning, I am not sure. But, I doubt seriously this membership was just overlooked in vetting. I wonder seriously if this membership would preclude her from the job she already holds on thinking about it. I still think, she was meant as a sacrifice to an ultimate Kagan nomination. Plus, it will alienate further the republicans from Latinos just as Obama is about to open the flood gates for them to mass immigrate.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Having watched Lou Dobbs report on and conduct interviews with representives of La Raza; when BO was campaigning in LA, he met with the head of La Raza. I am curious if the nominee will recuse herself when cases comes before the SCOTUS that has La Raza as a party to the litigation? Second, La Raza’s 2008 final report.

        <a href”=http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/may/supreme-court-nominee-la-raza-member Judicial Watch has an interesting article;

        Obama even violated his own lobbyist ban to hire a top National Council of La Raza official (Cecilia Munoz) as director of intergovernmental affairs. Munoz supervised all legislative and advocacy activities on the state and local levels and was heavily involved in the congressional immigration battles before the president issued an “ethics waiver” to make her part of his administration.

        About a hundred of these groups, including the Association for Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the National Education Association (NEA) and the National Council of La Raza, have already received billions of tax dollars under Obama’s $787 billion stimulus plan. Yet they now stand to rake in even more federal money under the $410 billion omnibus spending bill now wending its way through Congress.

        • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

          mas a ti ?

          Obama spoke to La Raza in 2008. His quote looks good on the surface and pages 18-25 paint a positive picture.

          Certainly the 2008 final report looks above board but only interested in the rise of the latino community and pushing for immigration.

          They’ve had a ton of federal money and stand to receive more.

          Their 1968 snapshot certainly left out the rather radical beginnings. No mention of the police officer killed in San Francisco by los siete de la Raza. The two sides of the story do not support each other, however a Professor Jason Ferriera has written about this subject. You have to pay for the paper, though.

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Perhaps CNN needs to have her back to explain Los Siete de la Raza.

  • Danny

    Oh for crying out loud – we know why! Just ask Biden.

    hint… No big clue – teleprompter baby.

  • wbboei

    Question: Why can’t obama, aka Emperor Gleuteus Maximus be more like the court nominee he has appointed?

    Answer: Simple: By ommitting critical details, he can be all things to all people. Fundamentally, Gleuteus is a brand used by corporate interests to bamboozle the public while they are busy looting them. He is a perfect fit in our consumption oriented consumer driven culture, where the test of the product is not whether it works, but whether it makes you feel good. Of course, there is always a day of reckoning for him, but also for us.

    “This new ship here is fitted to the reported increase of knowledge among mankind. Namely, she is cumbered end to end with bells and trumpets and clocks and wires, it has been told to me, can call voices out of the air to con the ship while her crew sleep. But sleep Thou lightly. It has not been told to me yet that the Sea has ceased to be the Sea.”–Rudyard Kipling.

  • ACPD

    The answer is obvious. If he didn’t have something to hide, he wouldn’t. He is a fabrication of the imagination of a few people who needed someone they could manipulate to replace GWB in the White House. People with no paper trails can be recreated into the image that best suits their handlers and that’s what we’ve got…a phony. I suspect that’s why so many in Hollywood took to him. He is an actor, playing a role and living a fantasy….But then, apparently, a lot of Americans like to play make-believe….

  • NomNomNom

    halp! we could really use an open thread.
    OT: In addition to the new cyber tsar, BHO plans to create a whole new military command for cyberspace.

  • http://www.igormarxo.org Igor Marxomarxovich

    How you tell when pollitician lie?

    Comrade Pelosi blink

    Dumb Donkey Gibbs laugh…Hehaw..he..haw..he..haw!

    I Igor produce Barrack Milhaus Hussein Obama Birth Certificate at http://www.igormaro.org

    • ConfusedAmerican

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    • Arabella Trefoil

      This is so funny! Thanks, Igor.

    • Portia Elizabeth

      I agree. Very funny and witty.

  • mel

    Judge Sotomayor’s favorite quote she stated in her Princeton yearbook:


    I am not a champion of lost causes, but of causes not yet won! by Norman Thomas, a former socialist candidate for POTUS.

    Evience of this is her rulings, especially the New Haven Firefighters case and her upholding the throwing out of the grades for promotion simply because the top qualified candidates were all white!

    So a SCOTUS Judge Sotomayor will champion all lost causes to a winning way with her rulings, based on her beliefs in her favorite quote! Good Luck AMERICA!

    • Arabella Trefoil

      But, but Obama already won.

  • Alex

    Wow, the trollobots are out in force! Good to see they’re still so scared that their Big Daddy will be exposed for the fraud he is.

    My advice to you guys is to think ahead to what cult you will join when O-ineligible comes crashing back to earth clutching his teleprompter. I hear they have openings over at I’llfallforanything.com, but you’d better hurry – it’s filling up fast!

    • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

      Where can I purchase one of these tin foil hats?

  • Doc99

    If Obama’s lost Ted Rall, He’s Lost Un-America.

    Ted Rall, “It’s increasingly evident that Obama should resign,” Springfield (Ill.) State Journal-Register, May 29, 2009

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    i like him….

  • EWard

    Alex

    Amen to your post!

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Why Obama can’t be like Sotomayor:

    From different points of view:

    The extreme leftist POV: Obama is the ONE, the messiah and she’s just a C**T.

    The left: Obama has a job to do. He is too busy to worry about transparency when it pertains to his own credentials and personal history. His main focus is to bring hope and change and to make everyone’s checking account equal.

    The angry feminist: He cannot be as good or the same as her because he’s just an f-ing, sexist male!!!

    The centrist: Obama needs to uphold the constitution, give the public open access to his birth, health, school, and financial records. Sotomayor needs to prove that she can look past her gender and her heritage and promise to do a good job on the Supreme Court.

    The right: We need to be suspicious of both because after all, we know business and Obama is destoying business and democracy.

    The right winger: Obama and Sotomayor are two peas in a pod. They both want to bring the country to ruin so it can be over-run by illegals.

    The hood: Yo, yo, O-man has the stuff, man, and f yeah that’s enough! He don’t need no problems of the female kind. He just need to make sure my welfare check is sign’d!

  • ConfusedAmerican

    In honor of the 44th President of the United States ,
    Baskin-Robbins Ice Cream has introduced a new flavor: ” Barocky Road .”

    Barocky Road is a blend of half vanilla, half chocolate, and surrounded by nuts and flakes. The vanilla portion of the mix is not openly advertised and usually denied as an ingredient. The nuts and
    flakes are all very bitter and hard to swallow.
    The cost is $100.00 per scoop. When purchased it will be presented to you in a large beautiful cone, but then the ice cream is taken away and given to the person in line behind you. You are left with an empty wallet and no change, holding an empty cone with no hope of getting any ice cream.

    Are you stimulated?

    • NomNomNom

      BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
      :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Clara

    If Obama got federal student aid, would this be FOIA-able?

    • http://in Elizabeth

      I don’t think it’s possible, though, that he could have received loans or other aid without a draft registration ??

      • ConfusedAmerican

        Depends on where the money was coming from…Think about it there are so many many many missing papers from Obama. Then to top it off all of Obama’s crazy stories.

        • http://in Elizabeth

          Yeah, no doubt there were tens of thousands in private “sponsorship” by some political godfather or other for undergraduate studies at Columbia and his three years at Harvard Law School. I only meant it’s difficult to believe Obama could have self-financed by government loans without the selective service thing at least being detected.

  • J

    Larry,

    Why do you feel you have a right to look at Obama academic record?

    Why are you not complaining about looking at all politians academic record? I am sure there are some real winners in the senate and congress.

    Is this so important to you or just some kind of conspiracy? Is the academic record the new standard of judging whether politicians are qualified or not?

    • Ferd Berfle

      Well, “J”, I guess you were too busy or too addled by the Kool-Aide to remember that it was the obamabots and the MSM that made his “intelligence” an issue. Since he was so allegedly “smart”, he should be the Democratic nominee. Again during the GE, That One’s vast intellectual capacity was pointed out time and time again. That it was just more crap from a group of left-wing loonies never occurred to to bobble-heads who voted for him.

      I want the records released so that all you duds who voted for him can see just what a carpet-bagger you voted for. Laughing with derision at you fools would be poetic justice.

      By the way, nice try with the leading questions but no dice.

      • candymarl

        Ferd you are correct. Also, it was Obama and his campaign that made an issue of the other candidates releasing all of their records.

        The Obama campaign particularly focused on Hillary and McCain. there were several news stories implying that Hillary was hiding something because she had not released all of her papers from when she was First Lady. So, she released them.

        In McCain’s case it was the Obama campaign that made an issue of his citizenship.

        Yet when Obama is asked to release all of his info it must be a “conspiracy theory”. Obama and his handlers opened these doors. Let them deal with the consequences.

        • Ferd Berfle

          You’re spot on, Candymarl. I had forgotten about the mountains out of molehills the Oblahblah’s minions went on and on (and on) about. Where were they when That One was called upon to release his records? Why they were incensed that anyone would ask Obamacus, a living incarnation of the deity, about his records. The Messiah is never to be questioned by us mere mortals.

    • http://thesibylspeaks.wordpress.com/ Anthony

      J-

      Maybe its because “he Won” and the KoolAidKidz just can’t stand it that we’re treating him like any other POTUS?

      I know, its hard to believe – but guess what else? he can’t walk on water, feed the masses or anything else indicative of Divine Legacy. He’s just another politician after all, and a really shady one at that.