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Why Obama Cannot Win, But Hillary Can

By SusanUnPC on May 15, 2008 at 11:14 PM in Barack Obama, DNC, Democrats, Hillary Clinton

God, I wish we could kidnap and brainwash Karl Rove to make him chair of the DNC. (Tell me I’m nuts, but the man has the brains and savvy that are utterly missing from the P.C.-crippled illusionists running the Democratic party.)

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usedmeat

We don’t need no steenkin brains, we got Obamamentum!!!

RepublicanMule

The 2M+ voters that are not being counted never agreed to any of these “so called” rules!

Why would the voters agree not to have their votes count?

Why did it take over 1 year for the MSM to break the story of Wright, Farakhan and Ayers, not to mention all of the others?

Why havent thr MSM and DNC fight to make this a fair election rather than fighting to end this election?

Why is the DNC choosing to act as a “Dictator” rather than employing the “Democratic Process” to resolve FL and MI

Why has the (corrupt) MSM failed to see that very basic fact that the democrat elites are trying to force a desicion when the option for a re-election has always been available?

If Obama is truely the strongest, why wont you haver another election in FL and MI to prove it?

Why is this “So Called” man of “change and unity” not fighting for the voters right now?

This election is as phony as a 3 dollar bill!

Wake up sheeple, you are getting screwed! (again) by the MSM the DNC and the Elite left wing

Clinton or McCain 08

cody

Why do you think it would be any different with McClain or Clinton? Good heavens, aren’t you sick and tired of Bush / clinton / Bush/ Clinton (and McCain is just another Bush. Unless you are making over $150,000 a year, you are voting against your best interest by electing these corporations come first candidates. Wake up.

ginamc

cody, cody, cody — just one more of the stupid mantras fed to you by the Obamanation. think of another one, I’m so fed up with listening to the utter nonsense that they are spoon feeding you Obamabots.

Ann Mosblech

Republican Mule – Right On!

The republicans are thanking God now that they think Obama will be the nominee – They know he cannot win.

Clinton or McCain 08

Richard Smithson

Good old Ann Mosbiech; spooky how she knows all these things, eh?

DENDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke64670GkZ8
because this is a Chilling video of a true leader- she has endured tremendous and my heart hurts for her and for what has become of this nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs
and this one…for all the times we were called racist, dumb, uneducated, poor,
stupid,white woman,white men….

ginamc

Dendy– thank you for that. Also, Latinos were called racist, poor, stupid, uneducated, dumb, worthless, write ‘em off.

http://deleted AnninCA

I said the same thing earlier. The recent media reports that an overwhelming majority of the coverage has been of this nature: Electability.

Frankly, I think the issue is deeper. It’s what the country really needs.

I trust voters and their gut instincts. Obama is selling a lie. Now, that doesn’t so much bother me, but what DOES bother me is I can’t figure out, nor can anyone, what exactly IS he selling other than himself?

That’s not good. He is, as Bill said, a “pig in a poke.”

Can we afford that right now?

I don’t think so.

Hillary is Inevitable

Wow, I just realized that I don’t know what “pig in a poke” means! So I went and looked it up. For anyone else who doesn’t know:

a poke is actually a bag or a sack. The phrase, ‘A pig in a poke’ means to buy something you cannot see. The word ‘poke’ is derived from the early French language. It meant ‘pouch’ or ‘pocket’. ‘Poke’ is found in usage as early as the Thirteenth Century.
Susaninbosque

Okay, I’m going to sound like a broken record but I do believe that the Democratic party is so inabled – so inept, because Rove is running Obama – because Obama is NOT a Democrat at all – he is a product that Rove/Axelrod created that is OWNED by somebody and I believe that somebody is all of the folks who bought and paid for him…. but mostly he is owned by the same folks that owned Bush.

We do not need Rove cause we got him – nobody just bothered to tell us. I do believe that he is really working Obama’s campaign and he is not only a “pig in a poke” which would be bad enough, he IMHO represents what the under 30% of the Americans who approve of W want in their government. He is a very successful brand because he is not ANYTHING unless the owners of his brand want him to be it.
cody

You have to be absolute idiots to vote for four more years of Bush or Clinton. And to believe anything Karl Rove says???? Are you kidding me? He’s scared to death of Obama because he IS different. Can he change all the damage done to this country by Bush – no way in hell, but we have to start somewhere. And, of course, everything he does will be criticized ad nauseum by right wing cable and radio and you’ll believe them. Rove should be in jail for exposing the name of a spy, yet you still think he’s just swell.

rjj

The Obamanates have Rove’s principles, but not his brains.

cody

Rove had no principles
cody

Rove has no principles

http://www.agust.com Agust304

We have one. It is James Carville. He may sound loose when yapping on the TV, but he should have been invited higher earlier. He is, IMHO, as good as Rove.

http://deleted AnninCA

I agree. He’s very sharp.
rjj

I doubt anybody is as “good” as Rove – not in this country anyway. Hope not. There are probably many as skilled as he in Russia and the Middle East.

rjj

and China, and India.

S

And you are dissing India because???

I guess it is the smart thing to do considering that a large part of American populace of Asian origin is strongly in favor of Clinton.

Do you even know the nuances of democracy in India? We are a developing country and we have more diversity than the whole of Europe taken together. In spite of all of those conflicting interests and in spite of many abuses of the system, democracy has worked in India.

I support Clinton and will continue to do so. Antagonizing her support base may not be such a great idea you know.

rjj

I was not dissing India. I commented elsewhere on the Arthashastra compared with which Rove is an amateur.

GregA

This makes me want to vomit…

After everything that has happened…

This year Karl Rove just comes out and tells the truth, and I hate what he has to say…

Although I agree with him;(
http://deleted AnninCA

The main reason Hillary can win is that Obama has run a very classic negative campaign, and all the “feelings” about dynasty, skepticism about her experience, anger at the Clinton years……came right out of the box right away.

Everyone got over it. LOL*

Now, she’s “Annie Oakley.”

She’s the real winner here.

Alas, he’ll get vetted when it actually will mean……Dems lose the White House.

She got vetted on the real level in the primary and lost by a hair.

sandyR

she’s going to win. period.

http://deleted AnninCA

Our fate is in the hands of the SDs and has been for a long time.

Frankly, it’s beyond Obama’s control. It’s beyond Hillary’s control.

All any of us can do is make our best case.

Me? I cannot believe they can’t see the states she’s won versus the states he’s won and just say, “He ran a great campaign, thread the needle on delegates, but he’s not our guy.”

But that’s me.

To go against the AA community apparently frightens a lot of SDs.

Too bad, since they aren’t the only minority voice in our big tent.

Noisy, yes…….but no more important than Latinos, Asians, single women, the elderly.

We either respect one another, for real, or one voice bullies and tears down the tent.

And perhaps they have already torn it down.

I do know this. Voters vote.

And if it’s not some caucus where they are intimidated or pushed aside, they pull that curtain and vote their conscience.

And that’s the beauty of our democracy.

Voters vote.

And people out there are just like me…….with good gut instincts.

Sometimes? We vote for a Bush because we know……pulling a president away from a war puts us all into huge uproar and our guys in Iraq into danger.

I still don’t think Bush won the 2nd term on any other basis than that…..he rode the coattails of the war, and people were reluctant to vote against the military.

This time? It’s an open field.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

To go against the AA community apparently frightens a lot of SDs.

Too bad, since they aren’t the only minority voice in our big tent.

Noisy, yes…….but no more important than Latinos, Asians, single women, the elderly.

One thing is for sure, if the Obama types want a race war on the streets, they will get one and it won’t be very pretty. I’m not returning to the dark days of forced intergration, with Blacks and Whites beating up anyone different than them, as “justice”.

What I find patently offensive about Obama is he IS 50% White and 50% Black. Then he comes around and brings up the race cards as excuses, cheapening real racism (like the REAL BLACK Rosa Parks [a national treasure] suffered). The way guilt by association tends to be, it can backfire on others of mixed heritage (and after WWII with Japanese-Americans, you can understand how and why I’m VERY sensitive on this matter). His actions are his own, not of others with mixed heritages who don’t try to hide behind one, and wants to psychologically, and externally kill the other.

To me, Obama is a nutcase needing a straight-jacket. He’s psychologically wounded by reading the same racist tracks that his colleagues — the KKK and Neo-Nazis — have read and was brainwashed with.

Instead of being a shining example of a mixed heritage leader, he’s nothing but mixed trash on the doorstep of mankind. He’s a disgrace.

Mr X

Actually, he’s not 50% black. He’s 50% white, 44% middle eastern and 6% black.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Ah, 6% Black would’ve meant his dad was 12% Black — and it doesn’t show.

So Obama would’ve been much lighter than even 50/50 Blacks I see around here (as Middle Easterners have a skin tone similiar to even my mom) — and my skin tone is Whiter than what folks consider White, even have the freckles [my parental grandparents were both redheads].
Patrick Walker

Kenyans are not semetic, therefore not “Middle Eastern.”

He’s 50% black. He may have been called an Oreo for a lot of his life, but he’s still black enough to get stopped by white cops when he drives his car, trust me.

I understand why the AA feel about things, but Obama is more like Alan Keyes than Jesse Jackson.

It’s not that white people won’t vote for a black man, they just won’t vote for *this* black man.

workingclass artist

Agree with you Patrick….
semite.n. a member of a people speaking a semetic language
semitic.n. 1. a branch f afroasiatic language family that includes Hebrew and Arabic. 2. of the semitic languages or their speakers.
Being Muslim does not necessarily make you semetic…
It is a tribal thing….
Iran is a muslim country and people….but they do not identify as semitic…They are persian…
Eastern European Jews identify as semitic because of a shared tribal heritage that originates in the diaspora….

** Technically anti-semitism would be prejudicial towards all semitic folks…Jews and Arabs….**
Dawnelle

The sad thing about that statement is some of the OBAMAtrons say the same thing about Hillary.

It’s not because she’s a woman but because they HATE HER!! For any number of insane reasons.

Which is why they are floating the boring, weak, subservient types of women like Sebelius and McCaskil
Mary

Patrick, Mr. X is correct.

A British genealogical firm ran Obama’s generational history. He is descended from Arab slave traders, generations ago, who traveled TO Africa/Kenya and traveled BACK with captured slaves in caravans.

As the slave trade diminished, Obama’s ancestors settled in Kenya, but his heritage is not Kenyan; it is Arabic/Middle Eastern.

It is WHY his middle name is Hussein. That is not an African name; it is a Middle Eastern Muslim name. The tradition with these “new” Kenyans was father’s/grandfather’s name became middle name to DISTINGUISH that he was descended from Arabs and not Africans (they considered themselves a notch “above” the natives).

Barak Obama is only 6% African. He is an Arab/African, not an African.

Ergo, of Middle Eastern origin.

http://winthemarket.com Daryl

Now, she’s “Annie Oakley.”

Yeah, Obama blew that one if he meant it as a put down. Comparing someone to Annie Oakley is a good thing.

Now if he meant Ethel Merman or Betty Hutton…well he still blew it.

silver

Why won’t the DNC listen to what Karl says, and what about the super delegates?? Whose idea was it have this caucus crap in the first place?? That’s not how we vote in the General!!! Why are Democrats always such dumb asses??? Really!! Instead of tiny hearts and butterflies, these people must have the words “dumb” and “ass” tattooed on each cheek of their butts.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Why won’t the DNC listen to what Karl says

Stinking partisanship that’s why. The same stuff that fills blogs like even this, with either side is blaming the other for their own mistakes.

Then nothing gets done — but partisans show treat it like a sports event.

Find it a black comedy in a way: we have 20 somethings worshipping at the altar of Obama, who’ll rob them of their future, and they’ll kiss his hand in gratitude, even. :rolleyes:
Patsi

My sentiments exactly..

thank you for highlighting the sheer frustration I feel. How many times does the DNC need to be whacked in the head before they stop running a far left elite as our standard bearer.

call your congressman… and SCREAM!!!

let’s write in Hillary in Nov.. maybe the dumb asses will wake up

jes

Off topic but I have to share my news. I went to a Hillary Clinton fundraiser tonight in Newport Beach, CA. There were approximately 150 people in the room. It was standing room with a raised dais along one wall. I ended up in the front on the rope line. Hillary came in through the door from the hallway and started working the rope line to the stage. I got to shake her hand and said, “Hang in there Hillary, all the way to the end”. She yelled back, “I will”.

She then went to the stage, which was approximately four feet on my right and gave about a fifteen minute speech. She spoke about the media coverage and said not to watch the cable channels and read a book instead. She spoke about all the states that she had won and predicted that although Obama would win the delegate count, she would win the popular vote. She mentioned the West Virginia primary and said that the political leader in the last county to post results was a friend of Obama’s. She said that he wouldn’t post the results but the Clinton camp knew they had won so she decided to give her victory speech. He then began posting the county results but posted the worst results first. She said that there would be mixed results in the last few states. She would win Kentucky, he would win Oregon, etc; She asked us to continue supporting her and not to give up.

It was a lot of fun. I actually couldn’t believe that I was in the same room with Hillary, only a couple of feet away. She’s much smaller in person. Approximately 5’4′. She’s very pretty and looks much thinner than on the television. I have to add that the Secret Service looked very young and cute. They wear a little round badge with a star. I actually spoke with one of them. He said that he had been in the Service about seven years and was thirty-two years old. He was very nice and sweet.

All in all I had a really great time. It was a very enthusiastic crowd with a great deal of cheering. A really fun evening. Especially considering that this was the first time that I’ve ever attended a political event.

SensibleWoman

Thank you for that wonderful news, Jes. She is an amazing lady! I would love to have an opportunity to see her.
Pheonix

Thanks for the report. How much did she raise? Sounds like she did pretty well!

jes

I don’t know how much she raised. There was a sliding scale to attend. Depending upon what you paid you got closer access.

I paid $250, which was the lowest rate, but one lady next to me said she paid $5,000 and another had paid $1,250, which was a VIP rate. The VIP’s got to meet with Hillary and talk with her for about three minutes each before she came to our room. They also had their picture taken with her.

She was going to a another fundraiser up in LA afterwards.

Pheonix

Your report is telling me something. It tells me she is full steam ahead and is going to win.

bamaoil

She spoke about the media coverage and said not to watch the cable channels and read a book instead

Best advice I’ve read in a long time.

Start with the teapot dome scandal.

http://deleted AnninCA

What a great post! Thanks, and I’m green with envy!
Cindy

Jes,
What a thrill for you….and for us to hear about.
It’s nice to meet the candidate you’re rooting for, isn’t it?! The whole political process becomes much more personal and meaningful.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

I hope she gets the nomination and comes on over to my home city. Would love a chance to see the first viable woman president first hand.

Didn’t get the chance to see Sally Ride on her historic flight into space (school does that). But dad, this arch-conservative that makes Caffety look like a choir boy, knew I wanted to be an astronomer, so he went down there to the Cape to get me her mission patch, instead. What I know of feminism, as I don’t read the stuff, is what my own father instilled in all his daughters — fierce independence; and a woman can do anything any man can do, if she set her mind to it. The same mindset Hillary’s dad taught her.

But this time, I really want to see a woman who made the grade in person. The one who’s as tough as my combat experienced father. What an inspiration, to those of us today, and for tomorrow.
hillarysmygirl

Great post! How fun. Thanks, that gave me a lot of hope.

She spoke about the media coverage and said not to watch the cable channels and read a book instead.

Best advice I’ve heard in a long time. I’m even going to stop watching Fox until Tuesday’s election results.

johnbckm

Radio Talk Show Host Steve Corbett from Hillary’s home town in PA Has launch a mass campaign called OPERATION TURN DOWN letting the DNC know we will TURN DOWN OBAMA.. we Will NOT vote from him under Any
circumstance and he talks about their treatment of Sen Clinton. People called in from all over the states saying NO OBAMA. Hillary supporters now have a voice that will reach MILLIONS. Tomorrow OPERATION TURN DOWN continues at 3 p.m est this is going to grow MASSIVE Please call in and tune in tomorrow this is going to wake up the DNC and the superdelegates http://wilknetwork.com/

SensibleWoman

Who needs MSM these days? I’m tellin’ ya…going to get a TeeBee that I can use as my ‘puter monitor, too. Push the button and select my own truthful news.

http://winthemarket.com Daryl

ESPN and TVLand are about it for me. Oh and the NBA playoffs on TNT.

Pheonix

This is great! Thanks for sharing!
Dawnelle

Got it! Thanks and Good night!

Great news about Hillary in CA too! Lucky Jes!

I saw her at a HUGE rally in Asheville but I was sitting way way back in the back and was DAMN lucky to find THAT seat! THOUSANDS were left outside because our MAYOR decided not to open up the BIGGER stadium. (she is an Obama supporter)

That is why I believe she came BACK a couple weeks later to Hendersonville (the town immediately to the South of Asheville) and there were THOUSANDS there as well. She wiped the floor with BO in Western NC.

Pheonix

(she is an Obama supporter)

Why are Obama supporters such turds?

splashy

That’s what I want to know. What is with them? So many of them are so pushy about things.

bamaoil

Because the truth about their candidate woudl sink his attempt to win the nomination, to even be effective for those who hired him.

Image isn’t enough, Rove knows this.

They think they’re protecting him, simple minded move, but they’re not, they’re only revealing he’s crippled more than the perception.

Amateur, isn’t it?

They protect him like Rove tried to protect Bush, but not as well.

NCgal

Dawnelle, I was at that Asheville rally, too. Plus I saw her in Hendersonville, where I live. I also saw Bill in Morganton (about 50 miles east) on the Sunday before election day. The turnout and enthusiasm at every event was overwhelming. I truly believed she had a shot at winning NC! Polls were showing she was close, certainly within single digits..

I hope we can dispell the notion that Hillary got “creamed” in NC. She and Obama split the counties pretty much equally, and her margins, especially in the west, were in the 60-40 range. He had slightly greater margins in the urban middle of the state. The main factor in his big numbers was turnout. Some of “his” counties reported turnout of 50% or more, well above the statewide average of 32% or so.

I have a vague uneasy feeling, though, about what happened in NC. Obama needed a convincing win, and he got it and then some. The NC results became THE END of the primary, according to the media. The storyline changed immediately the next day, (And the late-night pulling within 2 points in Indiana has an odd smell about it, too.)

Call me suspicious.

Mrs.Big Dan

I don’t know how you can support that idiot Steve Corbett. He is so bad for the Democratic Party and acting like a Republican. O.K. lets all say “Hillary’s The Best” but if she loses -he is making people so riled up that they will end up voting for McCain. That would be 4 more years of Bush’s policies! Uuugggghhh!! I want Hillary to win, but if not I don’t want her installed. That is not Democracy! It also makes Democrats look like idiots because they can’t be civil to candidates other then their own. I used to admire Steve Corbett when he first came back to our area and started his show. He was a breath of fresh air in a positive Progressive/Democratic way. Everyone was turning in and my boss who was a Republican actually switched his party because he said Corbett made sense. Now we all think he’s having a nervous breakdown because he is so OBSESSED with slamming Obama. He can’t even talk about anything else. What about issues? Corbett is now boring. And all this Operation Turn Down, sounds a lot like Rush Limbaugh. I wonder if he isn’t being paid by Republicans to act like this– because it is so opposite of how he started out. He also used to let everyone respectfully have their opinion, whether he agreed or not, -don’t see that now. I wonder if Hillary’s brother didn’t promise him something in Washington because I never saw someone switch their personality so completely. I love Hillary but I find all this nastiness so this tasteful. If it wasn’t on at work, I wouldn’t even listen anymore. I wish the old Corbett with the easy going California Progressive/Democratic Outlook would come back. I don’t like this Minooka, polka singing, Obama slammin guy, bitter guy.

Linda

Wow, is this freakin’ me out. What happened, Karl Rove didn’t spin, didn’t make claims, just an honest assessment? Did I say that?

rjj

He and Dick Morris tend to bury the toxic message in a pile of perfect agreeableness. “Subliminable.” You may want to watch it again. I can’t – no sound card on this computer.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Dick is an ass, and looks like grandpa from the “Munsters”. But Rove does know his polling. He can’t burn too many bridges (he was instrumental of the GOP landslide), but he can’t get a job in the business if he’s willing to cover up the data (datamining has to be as truthful as possible, as businesses depends on it — and Rove isn’t the type to shove businesses down the sewer). I’d milk it for it’s worth, as that type of expertise is awfully expensive otherwise.

cows4us

So true – they’re featuring his articles in the Wall Street Journal! Only business and stock investors read that! That’s serious credibility he’s working for. Heed the Rove – Democrats!

bamaoil

No.

Someone made the point he’s simply weak tea, compared to the Russians, say, from whom he cribbed his methods. (Conquer and divide, the whole southern , red neck, strategy).

See it from an international perspective, Rove is another tool.

florence

Amazing! Karl Rove is spot on!
marie3548

Well we dont need this either combined with the whitey comments

Not first lady material
I dont think so
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2016225/posts

Pheonix

Why is Michelle campaigning in PR when Obama is declaring victory on May 20?
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Was enjoying it until they dissed Aunt Ester. She’s one of the only characters I remember from “Sanford and Son”. You know the aunt with the silverplated bible in her purse? That bible wasn’t from Wright’s church, either.

Hate partisanship. They’ll dis anything, even the sacred, to “get one on” of their opponent.

marie3548

This woman is a joke
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2016225/posts

Mr.Murder

Free Republiccc is its own punch line.

marie3548

Must b concerned about Puerto Rico but I dont think she will make a difference.

She is sooooooooooooo scary looking.
http://www.thegsblog.com/ zaine_ridling

Got to totally agree with Susan. I’ve been surprised from the start of his analysis, despite the fact that an evil heart lurks underneath. If only more of the talking heads, “strategists” (of whom anyone qualifies for the job), and pundits were as reasonable and well-spoken.
BJinChicago

The O’Reilly Factor had two women from I think CEP(?)
who spoke about the sexism against Clinton in the media. O’Reilly said that the media was in the tank for Obama.

In addition, he showed footage from the Obama interview with Brian Williams that was a joke. Williams, who I once respected as a journalist, has now joined the ranks of Russert and Matthews.

O’Reilly also showed the frontpage of Newsweek. I received my copy today. It’s full of the same Obama blah-blah-blah(what a rag). I have deleted MSNBC from my set; I am considering cancelling my subscription to Newsweek….

Cindy

Here is the website where you can see the video of the interview with the two pro-Hillary women from Ohio (as seen on O’Reilly tonight). They were just wonderful!!! (their names are Kimberly Myers and Cynthia Ruccia)
bloggerinterrupted.com

Cindy

The GREAT interview (by O’Reilly) of the two Pro Hillaries from Ohio is also on Tennessee Guerilla Women website. We need it on No Quarter, too!
guerillawomentn.blogspot
(I don’t know how to “link”)

Ellen Tenn

Cancel it! I can’t believe how bad Newsweek has be come. I canceled mine a couple of weeks ago.

Pheonix

“Newsweak” now.

bamaoil

Do they give you a refund, for that?

I need to cancel my subscription, too, it’s JUNK, in the tank for Obama from the start, just like the other media conglomerates.

I wonder who owns them?

What happens when say, Tim Russert wakes up, and finds he has no credibility, even when trying to tell the truth?

A nightmare for them, is waiting to happen.

Charles Van Doren, was that the name of the game show contestant from “21″ who lied, was fed answers, and was exposed?

Pheonix

I recall MSNBO and Newsweak have worked together before. Should be easy enough to see who owns both of them. And Slime Magazine has declared Obama victor? Is this the second time? The MSM is crying wolf and have become irrelevant to me. 2209 is the only thing relevant. Hillary marches on so I march on with her.

rjj

I check people’s laugh/frown lines.

rjj

that response was to Marie3548 above.

cows4us

What is up with Republicans? Are they doing the Machiavellian strategy of establishing credibility now by actually being the only fair and honest news channel left? with some of the smartest commentators like Rove (hate him but admire the evil genius), and Juan Williams. Are they gonna trash us in the Fall or are they too scared of Obama?

PS – Thanks everyone for all your incredibly witty and funny comments. As a newbie – I truly enjoy reading it and realizing that I’m not crazy! (as much as the Obamabots want me to believe I am!).

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

It’s the votes, pure and simple. Hillary has GOP votes in her hands. If they diss her, those votes go elsewhere.

Then compared to Barry (and all the flack that’s been found about him since the heady 2007 days — “Let’s get Obama nominated as he’s a push over in the GE” — when GOP operatives came over to help him win, Hillary is the better candidate.

Originally the GOP was all setup to against Hillary. Now they found that Hillary and Bill is better than Obama and Ayers!

http://lkcampbell.blogspot.com Lucinda

I’m married to a card-carrying, George Bush-loving Republican. The other day he said me, “The more I listen to Hillary, the more I like her.” After I picked myself up off the floor, I realized that Hillary is the real “unity” candidate. She’s the one who reaches across all of the demographic divides in America and speaks a message that even Republicans can admit makes sense.
In the Obama camp, words like “unity”, “hope” and “change” are nothing more than a mantra they recite until it’s ingrained in their psyche. For Hillary, “unity”, “hope” and “change” are disciplines—not merely words—that she practices.

Pheonix

I’m married to a card-carrying, George Bush-loving Republican.

I forgive you for that since you are for Hillary. But what you say is fascinating.

Linda C.

Sure they are, but that doesn’t excuse what is going on other places either.
Here is the strategy ….in the beginning let’s ride Hilary Clinton, granted she also made errors. Obama doesn’t need to be scrutinized because he wasn’t the front runner. Excuse? Please they all needed to be scrutinized front runner or not.

If Obama wins the nomination….he is weak on defense and national security. “I have a new way” doesn’t cut it without any expereince. Childhood experiences are not acceptable. Donna Brazille mentioned on CNN during her meltdown, that Obama needed to do his homework on economic issues to neutralize Clinton’s advantage.

The RNC is going to crucify him

fooj

Off topic- this burns me.

The White House denied Obama was Bush’s target, but the Democratic presidential contender said the Republican president’s intent was clear.

Fuck Obama. He doesn’t take responsibility for stuff he gets caught red-handed for yet when a vague statement is made attacking the Party, the press, in concert with this egomaniac, claim it as his own. Fuck. Isn’t there ANYTHING this man doesn’t covet? Bush NEVER referred directly to Obama. The jackass just wants to keep his “POOR LITTLE ME” victim bullshit going. Ugh.

Hey Little Lord Obama…
You’re not the only Dem on the Hill. Geesh…..

bamaoil

The White House denied Obama was Bush’s target,

Finally, an intelligent strategic decision.

Charles Lemos

Cynthia Ruccia and Kimberly Myers, two Clinton supporters from Ohio, went on national television tonight (Bill O’Reilly’s The Factor) to express why they are ready to bolt the Democratic Party. They laid it on the line.

Here’s the video. A must watch!

Democratic Defectors

beebop

The email doesn’t work!!!!! for their organization.

http://deleted AnninCA

I suspect it got flooded.

beebop

It’s working now, thank goodness.

Dawnelle

RIGHT ON LADIES!!!
onmomnaturesside

Send an email off to these smart ladies and show some support. The email address in on the link below the video.
The one for Ohio works.

Left of center

A little honesty out of Karl Rove? What the fuck is this world coming to?

TeakWoodKite

Remember; this from Conressman Wexler

Last night, I appeared on MSNBC’s Verdict with Dan Abrams to discuss Karl Rove’s outrageous refusal to appear before Congress regarding serious allegations that he used the US Justice Department to take down a prominent Democratic politician. It is alleged that Mr. Rove personally instigated the prosecution of former Alabama Governor Don Siegleman. The case has been criticized by legal experts, and 52 former state attorney generals – both Republicans and Democrats – have criticized the case and called for an investigation.

He is smart but has an appointment to frog march soon.

bamaoil

Rove has done much to harm our country, given he does go to prison, say, even for election fraud, (and war crimes if we’re lucky), puts a little doubt on the genius label.

I disdain Obama and his supporters for their betrayls, why would I support Rove in anyway, shape or form for the same actions?

The enemy of my enemy is just the same as my enemy, and both are morons.

It’s just a beauty contest for DUMB people.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election Dave S.

How about CLINTON-McCAIN 2008?

McCain couldn’t do much damage as VP. Just send him to funerals.

We can have some of that good ol’ PEACE AND PROSPERITY again, and screw the Chicago slicker.
http://hillaryorbust.blogspot.com stephanie

It’s sad to me that Karl Rove, of all people, has to be the one to say what most members of the mainstream media can’t seem to get.
griff

May 15, 2008, 10:44 am
Steelworkers Endorse ObamaBy Steven Greenhouse

In a move that will help shore up Senator Barack Obama’s support among working-class voters, the United Steelworkers gave him its endorsement on Thursday.
The union, which is especially strong in Pennsylvania and Ohio, gave Mr. Obama its backing the day after the candidate the steelworkers had originally endorsed, John Edwards, endorsed the Illinois Senator.
“Senator Obama’s call for a significant change of direction amounts to far more than a compelling rallying cry,” the union, based in Pittsburgh, said in a statement. “It is buttressed by his record of consistent support for workers, by his call for sweeping changes to our health care system, by his unflinching support for Employee Free Choice, and by his insistence that America’s trade policies must, first and foremost, serve the interests of America’s working families.”

For the United Steelworkers and for much of organized labor, the No. 1 legislative goal is the Employee Free Choice Act, a bill that would make it easier for workers to unionize – by giving employees at a worksite the right to unionize through majority sign-up rather than through an often contentious and protracted unionization election. The Bush administration has opposed the bill, while Senator Clinton and Mr. Edwards have endorsed it.
Like many unions, the steelworkers had remained neutral for months between Senator Obama and Senator Clinton, after Mr. Edwards dropped out of the race in January. But many unions that have remained neutral since January are moving toward Mr. Obama as he increasingly seems to have clinched the Democratic nomination.
In their statement, the steelworkers said, “He is clearly the candidate who can best lead our nation out of the dark period of economic decline created by the Bush administration’s allegiance to Wall Street profiteering at the expense of worker prosperity.”
Several powerful unions, most notably the American Federation of Teachers and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, have backed Mrs. Clinton while several other unions, including the Service Employees International Union and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, have endorsed Mr. Obama.

ScottVA

LOL don’t you think that endorsement was a little funny? I mean come on it might have mattered if he would have gotten it lets say…back in February before OH and PA voted in their primaries! Mr. Arugula Elitist Obama isn’t much of a blue collar union man… LOL I’m sure people in KY are really that swayed by such an endorsement! So far his Union endorsements haven’t done much for him…. just look at the results of the OH/PA primaries!

beebop

Union voters have quit voting as a block. Wake up and smell the coffee. Whatever payola went to the organization is not trickling down to the rank and file. They aren’t going to — as Obama said in San Francisco — vote against their own interests.

southsider

Obama did not organize in neighborhoods in which steelworkers resided. But notice how they altered his autobiography in order to prepare him for a Presidential bid.

bamaoil

And what about Harvard, why is there no written work, at all, no writing samples to show us how Obama thinks?

Why?

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Remember when the food workers union leaders in Nevada endorsed Obama and the actual workers defied him? Just saying. Why don’t you give it up? You have a sure loser here and are so focused on winning the Battle, you are throwing away the War. Just like you fringe cases have done before. It didn’t work the last three times and it won’t work this time. The majority of American Adults do not let loud, rude children and radical Marxists pick presidents. You are the people who gave us Richard Nixon. Twice. Now you will give us John McCain.

Linda C.

Uppity
The voice of history reason and sanity.

I like the re-create 68group. They don’t even know that in 2008 they should be protesting the republican convention about the war and not the democratic one.

Losers.

Left of center

If you state the fact that Obama can’t win in November, is it considered racism or blasphemy? They say he’s the new Jesus.

SD

That’s what they said of Hitler…

HARP

With a long list of people to be called JUDAS.
politicsIsdirty

I like to think that this is part of the “Operation Chaos” the Repubs are doing BUT no. He is just doing a very smart analysis of the situation which most in the Democratic leadership don’t want to do.
karen for Clinton

yes, give the devil his due.

bamaoil

Ah, if you’re going to follow the devil, try to make sure you vet him, too.

Devils can be just as stupid as the rest, if not more so…

Charles Lemos

Hillary and Elizabeth Edwards apparently talked yesterday.

Hillary and Elizabeth Have a Chat
http://www.bentcorner.com Rick Rottman

Could it be that the Democratic muckity mucks don’t want to win the White House in 2008? I’ve thought about this a lot and it’s the only thing that makes sense. I think everyone can agree that Bush has managed to screw things up pretty royally these past eight years. The job for the next President is going to be monumental no matter if it’s a Republican or a Democrat. If the Democrats control both the Senate and the House — and it looks as though they will — and the White House, the burden (blame) will be all on their shoulders. Pelosi, Reed, etc. wont be able to blame the Republicans if they can’t fix everything in the next four years. If they don’t fix things in the next four years, a Republican will most certainly be elected as President in 2012. It’s a good chance they will lose the House and the Senate too.

The reality is that it will take longer then four years to fix things. A lot longer in fact.

You’ve got to admit that the more unelectable Barry appears, the more the inside the beltway types seem to jump on board his bandwagon.

beltway.critic

All these Democratic insiders were paid.
Patrick Walker

I’ve thought of that too. If the US economy tanks during a Democratic President with a Democratic Congress and they are unwilling to do anything, they will get blamed. However, if there is a Republican in the White House, Reid and Pelosi will just blame him.

Pheonix

But there will be a Democrat in the White House: President Hillary Clinton. I can say that because I believe it. And I was checking some pro-Obama blogs last night and their mood was similar to mine except Obama was the one in the White House. Since neither candidate can declare victory without 2209 the contest will continue. And I seem to recall Hillary was counted out like a zillion times already. That has become crying wolf to us like the racism thing. And guess what? Hillary does not care when people count her out. And that must piss off a lot of people! Many of us have turned off the TV and continue to work hard for Hillary. The MSM has become irrelevant to many of us.

Ellen Tenn

I can’t believe that I agree with Karl Rove.

Doug

I also cannot believe I agree with Karl Rove. And I lean Obama.

bamaoil

Rove is a republican Obama, you sure you want to do that?

Politics aside, neither man is intelligent.

blobert

On Fox, he’s been a straight shooter so far.
He’s not necessarily “brilliant” but he has solid political common sense.

blobert

the common sense is what democratic party powers are missing.

bamaoil

Funny how some look at Rove as God, and Santa, the flip of Obama’s bots in their childlike trust on mediocrity. Might as well worship a coke bottle, for all the ignorance.

Cmon, look at his methods in an international context, how have they WEAKENED the republican party?

And the republians can’t answer, they’re just like the obots.
beebop

Doh! Ya’ think?

bamaoil

Personally, I think the use of the heathers method is brilliant.

No getting by that.

LOL.

How fucking stupid are these people?

This is why they failed, btw.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

General Election: One person. One private vote. No busloads of pushy college kids to overshout and bully people. Disabled people who can’t caucus get to vote. Elderly people who can’t caucus get to vote. People who work for a living during caucus shifts get to vote. People with small babies who couldn’t caucus get to vote. Every insulted person in America who had their vote decided by caucus before they got to know Obama will get to vote. Iowa will get that chance to revote now that they know Obama. Jews all get to vote. Hispanics all get to vote, even the ones in Florida. Michigan and Florida get to vote. Italians get to vote. Gays and lesbians get to vote. Those annoying old people get to vote. Pissed off women get to vote. Everybody gets to vote in a General Election. This is going to be ugly, Barry. Just plain ugly. I shall enjoy it.

beebop

I’m with you Uppity. Let Taylor Marsh and Riverdaughter vote for Obama. Until the party sees HUGE McGovern+ numbers, they will continue to put forward names that cannot get elected. An otherworldly thrashing is the only language they will understand. It sweeps Coward Dean and Odonna out and installs a set of individuals who understand that Americans come in a variety of shapes, ages, sexual preferences, colors, etc. and that the object is not to pander but to represent. What a concept!

bamaoil

Ah, the Alinsky shuffle.

No, thanks.

http://OTliesvideo Lyn

Don’t forget the men and women in the Military fighting FOR our Country overseas can’t caucus to vote. How fair is that they can’t get a vote in who will be their CIC?

secularhumanizinevoluter

What is with all this “Rove is a GENIUS” crap? Frankly you have to be RETARDED or an obamalamadingdong supporter…OOPS same thing ain’t it…to think this pathetic conman has a snoballs chance to make the scenic route trip through HELL without losing a DROP of water. He has NO CHANCE, got that, N-O C-H-A-N-C-E of winning the general election. I mean we are talking nobodies EVER lost an election this bad before kinda numbers. Have you watched thet spot from the GOP with ms. obamalamadingdong? Hell, quality wise it SUCKED and it STILL renders the meatpuppet unelectable. IMAGINE what kinda spots the real PROS are gonna make. And ya know what? I’M gonna VOLUNTEER ideas for them. Now, I ain’t no “evil genius” an all like the pillsbury doughboy of the right there, but without patting myself on the back TO hard I ain’t been wrong with my political instincts to often since I turned 18 and voted in the first Presidential election 18 year olds COULD vote in. I’ve always wondered why the Dems are so FAUCKING LAME at campaigning and responding to the repugs crap. But they are, I think cause they think they’re sooooo much smarter then those hicks and rednecks on the right. Well they ARE hicks and rednecks, but there’s ALOT more hicks and rednecks then AAs and college kids that vote skippy, A-L-O-T more. And throw into that the women, the “garlic nosed” Italions, the “bitter” gun clutchin, bible thumpin blue collar workers and thos running sore jews and…well, you get my drift. If Clinton gets screwed out of the nomination I am SOOOOOO gonna enjoy this election and destroying the Democratic Party as now constituted. LOOOOOOONG overdue. Hey, ya know, maybe we really ought to THANK obamalamadingdong, he’s shown the elitiests in the Dems for what they are. Now the REAL base of the party can get to work rebuilding a REAL peoples party for a change.

Dawnelle

Give YOU the BIG PRize!!

Spot ON! Not another word need be said! (only applause)
No_Obama_Trolls

If Clinton gets screwed out of the nomination I am SOOOOOO gonna enjoy this election and destroying the Democratic Party as now constituted. LOOOOOOONG overdue. Hey, ya know, maybe we really ought to THANK obamalamadingdong, he’s shown the elitiests in the Dems for what they are. Now the REAL base of the party can get to work rebuilding a REAL peoples party for a change.

That’s excellent and spot on; thank you.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

What is with all this “Rove is a GENIUS” crap? Frankly you have to be RETARDED or an obamalamadingdong supporter…OOPS same thing ain’t it…

What’s worse are fakes.

Even Southerners don’t often use “ain’t” as a word (saw some y’alls of late here as well). Lived in this part of GA all my life, and you will hear “ain’t” by undereducated Blacks who dropped out of school; but “y’all” maybe, just maybe, once in 5 years. Even the 80 year-old redneck that I know, who was born in a log cabin in the sticks, doesn’t use “ya’ll” — and he didn’t finish 4th grade.

Drop the stereotypes, folks. Smells worse than a mackeral in the moonlight.

pm317

Thank, Susan. I was hoping you would put up this video.
Surge07

You have to be careful when listening to Karl Rove. He is a master of misinformation. Whatever he says about Clinton or Obama is intended to undermine the Democatic primary. If Hillary were ahead in the delegate count, Rove would be writing about why she can’t win in November. Rove wants Republicans to win.

rjj

Yes, he entices with pleasing messages to recruit your attention. The critical piece of disinformation is usually found toward the end of the message. It is what you take away.

I call it their “Turd in the Truffle Box” trick.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Karl Rove isn’t saying anything we don’t already know, except for those who won’t admit it. The only difference is he gets paid big bucks to say it.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Yeppers.

He can’t outright lie if he ever wants a job in business analyzing datamining stats and trends. The corporations would sue him out of the kazoo.

Rove will give what he can, and there’s ego involved: he doesn’t want to predict a winner as losing, loser as winning. That’s REALLY bad for business!

Catime

Sorry to thread-jack, but I thought Larry Johnson might be interested in this one. The Florida state bar has just suspended the legal license of Montgomery Sibley, who is Larry Sinclair’s attorney. Mr. Sibley also loses the right to practice law in DC, where Sinclair was filing his case.

http://overlawyered.com/index.php/2008/05/montgomery-blair-sibley-suspended/#comment-14925

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Obama types treading along GOP anti-tort sites now(complete with Federalist Society ads)?

Not a good message to give to the Dem base. Heck, even I don’t agree with anti-tort laws — seen how it can keep the government killing people for decades, as they’re denied the right to sue for change and damages.
Jean

That seems to not be good information. On Larry Sinclair’s blog today is a comment from citizenwells. At the bottom of the comment Sinclair added something. Sinclair has been in this for a long time and I don’t see him giving up his struggle.

citizenwells Says:
Friday, May 16, 2008 at 9:20 am

Larry is tied up today (I believe) so I am posting this in case questions arise. I am not questioning the motive of the commenter:

A Friend // May 16, 2008 at 1:03 pm (edit)

Just a head’s up, citizen.

Did you see that Larry’s lawyer has been disbarred in Florida and has lost his priviledge to practice in DC? Very coincidental timing, don’t you think?

http://overlawyered.com/index.php/2008/05/montgomery-blair-sibley-suspended/#comment-14925

citizenwells // May 16, 2008 at 1:21 pm (edit)

Yes, I was aware of this.
Larry and I discussed this.
Sibley is a bit of a maverick and takes on
cases that fall out of the “mainstream”.

—————————

From the site:

“May 15th, 2008 at 12:01 am
Montgomery Blair Sibley suspended
» by Ted Frank in: Ethics
We’ve had a lot of Montgomery Blair Sibley coverage over the years:”

“And we didn’t even mention his work representing Larry Sinclair (the fellow who unsuccessfully sued Barack Obama for denying Sinclair’s implausible claim that he had engaged in a homosexual tryst with him) in a lawsuit against three anonymous bloggers. (DBKP blog, Mar. 14.)”

——————————
*note*

“Update, May 16, 2:45 AM: We originally repeated a second-hand report sent to us that Sibley had also been suspended in DC as part of reciprocal discipline. It is possible that our correspondent confused a Rule 8.1 report, made by the DC Bar counsel recommending reciprocal suspension, with an actual suspension.”

“Without written confirmation of the suspension, we retract the original statement that the DC Bar has suspended Sibley in response to the Florida bar’s three-year suspension of Sibley.”

Montgomery Sibley HAS NOT been disbarred, nor does this action affect his representing in the US District Court at this time. Nor Will it Affect this Case.. Larry

Sj

In the video above Obama is stating that Wright spoke of bombing Hiroshima that is stated in his book, so how can he say he did not hear those words when he stated in his book that he heard what Wright spoke about?

These videos above are very compelling and it just goes to show that the MSM are taking us for fool the same way that DENDY can have the audio clips of the book is valid proof that Obama was present for Wright speech, I just cannot understand why there are some in the MSM that is willing to force this man upon the American people.

His telling words of how he feels about whites, how he feels about the government is no different than what Wright has said, what exactly are some people trying to do to this nation and the question is why?
Beelzebud

From condemning Karl Rove for outing Plame, to singing his praises for spouting pro-Hillary fakery on Fox News.

Wow…

No_Obama_Trolls

People with brains have the ability to listen and discern. Stupid trolls talk in block because they are
unable to think.

Beelzebud

People with brains don’t watch Karl Rove lead the Republican party to where it is today (rejected by America), and then turn around and wish he was working for the Democrats.

bamaoil

Nobody is applauding Rove.

Read, idiot!

“It’s too complicated, if they aren’t literal, I don’t get it.”

“Anyone wanna start a war?”

With a talent and a mind like yours, how could they lose?

Demon, call Rummy, he needs your help.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Nobody is applauding Rove.

Actually folks are, as they’re not mindless “IT’S BIG OIL!!!!” half-wit trolls.

What do they teach in these Ayers et al “liberalized” schools these days? To flunk, get online, and then have brain farts for the world to see?

Go take your hopeychangey self back to DK.

bamaoil

You think that’s a fake?

PROVE IT!

Chris, I expected better from you.

No_Obama_Trolls

Ah… the empty brains….keep going Beelzebud; it’s a show to watch how far you are from understanding the point.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

The GOP got further in 12 years than the Democratic Party in 30 years.

Sit down, pay attention, and learn how to win the game — not give it back with a nice .500 batting average to the GOP, again.

bamaoil

Rove is a fucking idiot, Chris, how have his methods harmed national security?

Look at the fallout for the US, and it is big oils fault, ALL OF IT.

It makes you look ignorant, and you can’t ignore what pokes you.

But thanks for the heads up.

BTW, I’ve been called an Obama troll, a Clinton troll and a republican troll.

Which is it?

And don’t call me stupid huh?

heh.

bamaoil

No, Rove is a fucking idiot.

Period, he’s a tool, best to see who is using him.

Big oil.

And Rove can’t see it, not smart enough.

Don’t believe everything you see, republicans have that problem.

LOL

Beelzebud

If you think the Democratic party should emulate the Rovian mess that has played out for 12 years, then maybe you need to switch to the Repulibcans.

In case you haven’t noticed. Karl Rove’s brand of politics has the GOP looking so bad that a Republican senator recently said “If the Republican brand were dog food we’d be taken off the shelves.”

beebop

Don’t throw the message out with the messenger.

He’s the model upon which Axelrod had built his organization. Don’t like it? Your guy is running on the mirror organization. Deal with it.

bamaoil

And both harm the country, and neither is capable of gaming, internationally, and winning.

Clinton, period, is the only choice.

We have three wars, currently.

LOOK at Axelrdo, LOOK at Rove, neither candidate is capable of understanding why his campaign managers methods hurt our ability to succeed internationally.

Only Clinton.

Anyway you try to spin it, the trolls lose.

rjj

Check the surveys. Same is true of Dems. Odium is not zero sum.

bamaoil

Which is what I don’t understand, we want our country to succeed, yet we’re supporting candidates who methods HURT us, both democrats and republicans.

I despise Obama, because he is a big oil toady, same as Rove, same tactics, same small mind, same specious thinking, corruption, contempt for the US citizen.

Big oil is essentially setting foreign policy in this country, like or not, and it is FAILING catastrophically, those wars in the middle east will BREAK this country, just like Afghanistan did the USSR.

Big oil buys our politicians, lobbyists, look at Cheney, and Bush, both energy reps, same with Obama. They want to direct policy, they NEED armies to protect the stuff, and they do so under the heading “what is good for oil , is good for the US.”

And that isn’t true, when oil’s first allegiance is to itself, rather than the US Constitution, it shouldn’t be setting policy.

And if we know this, and if we know big oil can’t sustain itself because it mindlessly starts wars it, and the US, can’t finance, bad business, all the way around, why aren’t we holding the politicians who implement their policies, responsible?

Stirring up Nigerian oil rebels to make Obama look the peacemaker in an attempt tp wag the dog by a bunch of ex wannabe lobbysits and intel is harmful to US security.

Big oil cannot survive, either candidate they put in will further hasten their decline, if they don’t get it fine, but from the scrambles, and the lack of success, it would appear even THEY are aware something is wrong, they started their own Viet Nam, and apparently, force wasn’t enough to win.

And we will let them take the US government DOWN with them?

And people don’t understand this simple concept, how the world works, it’s not just a matter of the US says, and it is, all these factors work together.

Just looks plain uninformed, and ignorant, when you try to put forth an idea, without including this tenet.

Matt Drudge should not be an example of the republican intellect, and he is.

World economies are oil based, he who controls the oil, controls the gold, controls world power.

Simple enough, right?

And now with Chavez, and African oil players, China competing with the US, well, Bama is the ONE, right, he can appeal to that market…

Is this so difficult?

The oil companies think internationally, why don’t Amreicans?

JoeySky

Go away cheater.

K. Wynne

It is my theory that Obama is a front man, period. And he’s being set up to block Hillary from getting the nomination, because whether Agenda is pushing Obama down our throats, it has shown it will do just about anything to keep Hillary out of the WH.

Obama will be left out to dry once he has achieved his purpose.

This is about total corporate control = fascism.

There is an urgency to this election that is frightening because it can only mean that we are in the final stages of completing this agenda.

My greatest concern is that if the people are able to protest in large enough numbers that the SD’s will decide to back her and she gets the nomination, then I believe her life will be in danger.

Call me crazy, but this election is about more than hatred of the Clintons and hope and change. Much more and it isn’t in the best interest of America and democracy.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

It is my theory that Obama is a front man, period. And he’s being set up to block Hillary from getting the nomination

That was the intention of the GOP right at the gate in 2007.

That is until the Democratic Party decided to surprise even the most partisan Republican howler, and vote for a lesser qualified candidate in droves — Give the GOP credit, they at least expected the Dems to vote qualification over a nub candidate.

Just watch Rush. You’ll will see him now fit to be tied, as Operation Chaos was a failure — by going to vote for Obama, he helped to give the country their first total nub candidate. Efforts now to reverse the damage and vote for Hillary is a non-starter anyway — those conservatives were here doing so from the start, and don’t take marching orders from a pill-popping windbag (no, don’t like the jerk at all).
bamaoil

I don’t think it’s corporate control as much as driven by corporate profits, most big oil, Chris missed the point.

“he who controls the gold controls the rules” very common axiom I’m surprised most won’t acknowledge this is what drives big oils behavior, as it is control of the energy that determines who gets the gold.

We have a oil based economy, right?

Is this too difficult?

What makes a superpower in Republican minds, economic power, right?

But you know, it’s the genocide in Africa fueled by big oil that is most appalling.

These are very relevant issues, good to see where the republican party is so weak, they look to their leaders, like Rove, like a boy does to Daddy, Daddy as perfect, when Daddy is dim.

What happens when big oil throws them over for Obama?

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/ Gloria

Check Out This Brave PA Talk Show Host, Steve Corbett…(Link to WILK-FM, Scranton, PA)

http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/

Hat tip to Riverdaughter over at The Confluence for breaking this news and “Nana” who first reported it…

Seems there’s one very brave talk show host in Scranton, PA who is firmly in Hillary Clinton’s camp and has had it with being called a “racist.”

MORE

No_Obama_Trolls

Yes, I heard him yesterday on the radio. He is good and hats off to him to showing some balls to all the sissy pols out there.

http://www.liberalrapture.com won’t fall in line

There is an excellent piece called
“Flushing Dean, Pelosi and Brazille”
http://www.liberalrapture.com/
It has one of the best comments I’ve read ever.

Does this sound familiar?

“[This] will not be a year of politics as usual. It can be a year of inspiration and hope, and it will be a year of concern, of quiet and sober reassessment of our nation’s character and purpose. It has already been a year when voters have confounded the experts.

“There is a new mood in America. We have been shaken by a tragic war abroad and by scandals and broken promises a home. Our people are searching for new voices and new ideas and new leaders.

“We have been without leadership too long. We have had divided and deadlocked government too long.

“It is time for America to move and to speak not with boasting and belligerence but with a quiet strength, to depend in world affairs not merely on the size of on arsenal but on the nobility of ideas.

“It is time for us to take a new look at our own government, to strip away the secrecy, to expose the unwarranted pressure of lobbyists.

“It is time for a nationwide comprehensive health program for all our people.

“We can have an American government that does not oppress or spy on its own people but respects our dignity and our privacy and our right to be let alone.”

Excerpts from “Our Nation’s Past and Future:” Acceptance speech delivered by the Democratic Party nominee, Gov. Jimmy Carter, July 15, 1976.
Been there, done that | 05.16.08 – 3:09 am | #
http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

Last night I watched PBS on FDR part part two. Hillary (to me) would be a combo of FDR and Eleanor.

ps: for Susan UnPC, Uppity and others!
a comforting read…(on who our demographic actually is)

http://www.msmagazine.com/winter2004/secondadulthood.asp

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Wow there are 37 MILLION women in their late 40s through 60s? THIRTY SEVEN MILLION? I had no idea! And I haven’t met ONE who can stand Barack Obama.

beebop

Woman power … what a great thing it is going to be in November. So much for a buck 85 mother’s day card, no?

silver

Not only will I vote for McCain in the fall, but I intend to vote against every Democrat that supported him, even if it means another Republican majority. Claire McCaskill better hope she gets a good cabinet post from all her sucking up, because I imagine a lot of the women in her state, like me, will never vote for her again.

When I was in college, I volunteered at a domestic violence shelter. Almost always, the women would have left the abusive situation much earlier, but they were threatened with retaliation, loss of their children, or the inability to support themselves financially. The abusive spouses would always hold these threats over their heads the same way abortion rights and the Iraq war are being used against the McCain Democrats now. I learned a long time ago that it was important not to tolerate abuse no matter what the circumstances—otherwise, it just gets worse and worse. The Democratic party needs to learn its lesson—not only did many of its leaders make outrageous attacks against Hillary, but others sat in silence while they were being made. As a woman, I refuse to ever give my support to that party again. So all these MALE pundits who think I’ll fall in line come November, better think again. And if the Dems actually believe their nomination process is fair, then they truly do deserve to wear that ‘loser” badge proudly.
http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

ps: to Larry — I found this site last night. Looks like the repubs are going to make him start answering some stuff for the general public…

but, can he even speak without a script?

http://net.gop.com/canweask/
Linda C.

The interesting issue is the problem of the caucuses and how delegates are distributed. If a person gets 18 delegates with only 20K votes in one part of the country and the same amount requires 300K votes there is problem with how to run a general election. The 20K votes in Idaho are not going to translate well into the electoral college or even the popular vote in the general. The DNC allocates delegates like candy rather than basing the allocation on some sort of realistic measure.

We have lost all of our elections due to this crazy process. The non binding primary votes in some of these states have not reflected the votes of the caucuses. Some will say it is because of the difference in time, the primary was held later than the caucuses. Either way this is bad news. It either indicates that the caucuses never were representative of the overall voters, or that people are having buyers remorse.

Thus I wouldn’t go about Rovian tactics at this stage. It is simple. We have met the enemy and they are us.

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

The interesting issue is the problem of the caucuses and how delegates are distributed. If a person gets 18 delegates with only 20K votes in one part of the country and the same amount requires 300K votes there is problem with how to run a general election.

It’s how a nobody can get elected. Put up a Mickey Mouse (yes, Disney’s character), and get enough folks to champion him, and Mickey could get the delegates and popular votes. Why? Because there’s not even safeguards in place to prevent it — a good example is writein ballots, where Mickey is quite popular along with Santa.

Our elections are turning into a joke as it is.

LuigiDaMan

None of this matters anymore. The “1984″ media have won. Barack is/will be the nominee.

Of course, he’ll get creamed by McCain in the the General, but, hey, we got “The Audacity of Hope.”

Whatever that means.
DancingOpossum

ChrisXP, I get what you’re saying, but here in Maryland we say “y’all” ALL the time. Even educated people use it. Now, we don’t really have Southern accents and reallyaren’t considered Southerners, but we do have a healthy share of rednecks. We also call everybody “hon,” that’s a classic Marylandism. I’m just saying, it might not all be affectation.

and secularhumanized, not to get too PC, and I’m not someone who takes offense at much; but I really hate it when people use the word “retarded” to mean stupid. I have a sibling who is developmentally disabled (i.e, “retarded”) and that is a deeply ugly and offensive word. I know a lot of people use it that way but it’s just wrong.

beebop

They say y’all in Texas all of the time.

And I am with you on the use of the word retarded. It is hard to be PC for all people, I know. I am sure that no offense was meant. How do you refer to emotionally disturbed people? Crazy is such a simple, lazy word. Everyone likes easy quick categories ….
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

The thing is “y’all” is a stereotype of the South, and how “undereducated they can be”. To see it in posts here to make posts appear more folksy, it really takes it too far — as the very people they wish to address aren’t online anyway, as most work and don’t have time to be online, if for anything but to check email.

Even my tech relative who works on computers and networks 12 hours a day 5 to 7 days a week, doesn’t get on the internet much to even read it, let alone post.

Those who do have time, are office workers and workers with internet access (this I see quite often when blogs/forums become bare from posting, until after 6pm when they get home); college students; and those not working a regular job.

The rest are actually working for a living.

JoeySky

This idiotic obama supporters keep telling me that obama has a lot of obama support amongst republicans. I tell them that the obama republican support is in the same file as the kucinich ufo sitings.

Their response is, go look at http://www.republicansforobama.org

I go do a domain search or this site.

It was created on: 07-Dec-2006 04:21:42 UTC

Obama didn’t announce his running for president until feb of 2007

So it’s very clear the site was created by someone in the obama campaign team or someone associated with obama.

Otherwise, how else would someone be able to read minds and know obama was going to run for president 3 months before he announced it.

Obama campaign is full of shits and lies.
cody

How in the world can you actually think Obama is elitist and Hillary isn’t? Think people.
Harley

This is as good an example of the seething inanity that infects some Clinton supporters as I’ve seen. Brains and saavy? Have you checked the state of the GOP lately? Karl Rove drove the party into a ditch.

I’d suggest acting not only like a Republican, but the worst of them, is not the best way to achieve the goals the Democratic party stands for.

Please wake the fuck up before it’s too late.
Linda C.

I really find little difference between Rove and Axelrod.

They both took a sub par candidate, created a product, and sold it to the American public.

We had compassionate conservatism. Now we have hope and change.
Both vacuous terms with little substance.

Both candidates with little experience or record
Janet

Many Hillary supporter are, without a doubt, supporting Obama. I read an article by one Hillary support, Pam Jackson, on http://www.posterspost.com about why she plans to support Obama. She makes some good points.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

The last name is “Woman”.

And I am not noticing your first or last name either.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Did you know?:
KKK members wear hoods because they are ugly.

From my visits up North, their racists don’t even bother to use hoods. Which is probably why they’re so wrinkled by 40.

In the South you know a racist 10 yards away (to better to avoid them). Up North, the racists love to be behind closed doors, and keep their rhetoric to like kind.

Obama and yourself learned well, huh?
bamaoil

And trolls change their IP addresses, because they think it gives them anonymity.

And speaking of ugly, you so ugly, no one will even watch your porn, they’re so bored with you.

LOL

You really can’t tell how you’re being trolled, past the projections, past the gas, you’re a no talent child, less than a high school drama queen, bullying the clique.

Or trying to.

Think they’ll ever figure out you’re a liabilty?
Pheonix

Good point. And the racism thing again?
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Oh look. The Race Card! We haven’t seen that on this board for at least an hour.
rjj

In my experience people termed “racists” are xenophobes who have no trouble revising their opinions. Liberal pity, however, is not subject to change. It is a personality prop and an exceedingly pernicious form of self-aggrandizement.
beebop

well, it had been 14 minutes and counting since the last troll used the word. Wasn’t it refreshing b4 Obama when we could just talk issues? Don’t you long for those days again?
No_Obama_Trolls

LOL at you fosbach, another empty head.
Self-aggradizement rhethoric doesn’t hide the fact you
are unable to think; which you need to do to get the point. It is not about Rove; he isn’t saying anything original to someone who has a minimum capacity for critical thinking. The clip is putting into evidence something else… can you get it? If you are still stuck by tonight I’ll drop another hint.
bamaoil

Actually, we agree here.

Remember that war, all those dead people, the torture?
Andy

Ronald Reagan was an awful president and Carter was a terribly weak president. It is amusing to see so called “Democrats” (for a season?) reverting to Carter presidency b/c Obama trashed Clinton’s Pres.
Bill Clinton was a winner and Obama (and you) are doomed like Gore for rejecting the only successful 8 years term the Democratic Party ever had in the WH since….

Obama made a huge mistake with this.
JoeySky

George Soros?? LOL.! You quoted the guy who buy the delegate for BO? ROFL!
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

We have elected TWO Democratic presidents in thirty years. And only ONE of them served two terms. Do you know why? Because he was a moderate, just like the MAJORITY of democrats. The reason we have not elected more is because a loud fringe tries to hijack the party with their radical Marxist agenda. This same group gave us Richard Nixon twice. And now they will give us John McCain. What this fringe **thinks** is that they can eliminate the rest of the party, which is largly comprised of “everybody else”. They have failed before. See McGovern, Dukakis. And they are the ones, because they cannot make it in their fringe parties, who have caused our party to waste precious time. They will learn again that the only thing they have learned from past mistakes is how to repeat them over again. Most democrats are not into screaming, yelling, crashing, burning, demonstrating and carrying on like loud children. They are busy going to work supporting most of the college kids who get involved with this fringe which excites their bored selves. Later, these children grow up and look back on their own stupidity–while the radical off-the-cliffers prepare to snag yet the next generation. In the meantime, they scare the shit out of everybody such that the rest of the party– who can’t WAIT to get to the polls and defeat their candidate. Congratulate yourselves, not the rest of the country.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Jimmy Carter was a GREAT president and Ronald Reagan a total failure.

Ah, Reagan broke the Soviet’s back, which let to the 1992 fall of the USSR. It in return, shows to China and North Korea what’s in turn for them.

So no, Reagan wasn’t a “total failure”.
JoeySky

The democratic hypocrites kerry, Dean, Brazille, Kennedy sure thought McCain was ok in 2004.

Well he is certainly a viable alternative to BO, should Hillary not be nominee. They agree as well LOL

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E0D81230F931A25755C0A9629C8B63
No_Obama_Trolls

I suggest you look yourself in the mirror; this would correspong to the orange slice, second to the right
in the :

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/lavender-newswires-brilliant-guide-to-obamabots/

LOL, man you re so predictable….laughable.
bamaoil

No, you’re wrong, very simple analysis, like a child, it must be good, or evil.

But thanks, it explains a lot.

Think outside ideology.

And poke a narcissist, and wow, they fall like a brittle house of peanuts!

Hardened sugar breaks so easily.
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

Why did you change your name? Changing the name, doesn’t change the syntax — especially using “LOL” like a nub.

This site isn’t DK, with a Red Guard espousing party propaganda between posts. Half wouldn’t care anyway, as they’re fed up with the DP and it’s handling of Hillary!
beebop

Good luck you are going to have to elect Sweetie without a significant number of HRC’s supporters! Good luck with that!!!!!!