Comments on: GM: General Motors, Government Motors, or Going, Going, Gone Motors? http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/ Sun, 27 May 2012 07:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: hokma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1215026 hokma Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:53:33 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1215026 Back last year when GM went to the government for a bailout, rather than give them the money the government should have said: "no." That would have forced GM to break up by either selling off their brands or even spinning off some. There would have been less jobs lost and no taxpayer money spent. But that's why government should never be involved in business - they don't know any better. Oops...forgot to say great post! Looking forward to your next one. Back last year when GM went to the government for a bailout, rather than give them the money the government should have said: “no.” That would have forced GM to break up by either selling off their brands or even spinning off some. There would have been less jobs lost and no taxpayer money spent. But that’s why government should never be involved in business – they don’t know any better.
Oops…forgot to say great post! Looking forward to your next one.

]]> By: hokma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214969 hokma Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:56:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214969 Back last year when GM went to the government for a bailout, rather than give them the money the government should have said: "no." That would have forced GM to break up by either selling off their brands or even spinning off some. There would have been less jobs lost and no taxpayer money spent. But that's why government should never be involved in business - they don't know any better. Back last year when GM went to the government for a bailout, rather than give them the money the government should have said: “no.” That would have forced GM to break up by either selling off their brands or even spinning off some. There would have been less jobs lost and no taxpayer money spent. But that’s why government should never be involved in business – they don’t know any better.

]]> By: foxyladi14 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214945 foxyladi14 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:51:26 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214945 hey comrade..i don't think he was joking.. hey comrade..i don’t think he was joking..

]]> By: foxyladi14 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214939 foxyladi14 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:44:29 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214939 i hope this is satire not funny i hope this is satire not funny

]]> By: Karma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214930 Karma Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:19:30 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214930 Sorry...Poor written....but we have Chrysler product not GM. So this isn't a rave over GM's quality...just Ford's lack of quality as a solution to GM. Sorry…Poor written….but we have Chrysler product not GM.

So this isn’t a rave over GM’s quality…just Ford’s lack of quality as a solution to GM.

]]> By: Karma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214924 Karma Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:10:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214924 Ford will not replace GM in this house. They would have to literally give us a Ford before another one would darken our driveway again. Ford pulled the same thing on us that GM did on Docelder, except it was for the engine and transmission. No disrespect intended but I consider the engine and tranny to be more important than paint and a starter. Their dealerships are no better, literally admitting their fraudulent ways to several friends and neighbors over the years. Actually suggesting that they sell their old lemon to Ford as a solution to them not honoring the warranties and then buy a new lemon as a solution. Since Ford drags their feet on their poor engineering and spreads it across their fleet of cars the same probelm lies in the new vehicle too. Of course, passing on their old lemon to some unsuspecting customer. We actually had to buy our first clown car because we owed so much on that Ford. Several years later we received notice of a class action lawsuit to get Ford to deal with the poor engineering. You guys can keep Ford, we've had enough of their games. Even as a teen I remember the difference between changing a water pump on a Ford Mustang vs a Chevy SS Chevelle. Ugh! Ford will not replace GM in this house. They would have to literally give us a Ford before another one would darken our driveway again.

Ford pulled the same thing on us that GM did on Docelder, except it was for the engine and transmission. No disrespect intended but I consider the engine and tranny to be more important than paint and a starter.

Their dealerships are no better, literally admitting their fraudulent ways to several friends and neighbors over the years. Actually suggesting that they sell their old lemon to Ford as a solution to them not honoring the warranties and then buy a new lemon as a solution. Since Ford drags their feet on their poor engineering and spreads it across their fleet of cars the same probelm lies in the new vehicle too. Of course, passing on their old lemon to some unsuspecting customer.

We actually had to buy our first clown car because we owed so much on that Ford. Several years later we received notice of a class action lawsuit to get Ford to deal with the poor engineering.

You guys can keep Ford, we’ve had enough of their games. Even as a teen I remember the difference between changing a water pump on a Ford Mustang vs a Chevy SS Chevelle. Ugh!

]]> By: Brodie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214895 Brodie Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:41:33 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214895 OMG. OMG.

]]> By: Brodie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214891 Brodie Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:38:47 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214891 Right on! I got the hyperbole, though. Oh, yeah... I'm not a troll. Right on! I got the hyperbole, though. Oh, yeah… I’m not a troll.

]]> By: samb http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214820 samb Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:06:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214820 It's been a waiting game with GM , I have a family member who works for a Saturn dealer , the Unions didn't care about the dealers the government didn't care about the dealers and this Car Czar, he won't give reasons behind the process of what dealers stay and what dealers go, I'm glad Saturn was sold to Penske, at least some jobs my have been save. It’s been a waiting game with GM , I have a family member who works for a Saturn dealer , the Unions didn’t care about the dealers the government didn’t care about the dealers and this Car Czar, he won’t give reasons behind the process of what dealers stay and what dealers go, I’m glad Saturn was sold to Penske, at least some jobs my have been save.

]]> By: Diana http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214813 Diana Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:58:18 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214813 Has anyone read what Chavez said about this? <blockquote>Venezuela Chavez says "Comrade" Obama more left-wing. Tue Jun 2, 2009 10:27pm EDT CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday that he and Cuban ally Fidel Castro risk being more conservative than U.S. President Barack Obama as Washington prepares to take control of General Motors Corp. During one of Chavez's customary lectures on the "curse" of capitalism and the bonanzas of socialism, the Venezuelan leader made reference to GM's bankruptcy filing, which is expected to give the U.S. government a 60 percent stake in the 100-year-old former symbol of American might. "Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right," Chavez joked on a live television broadcast.</blockquote> For full article: http://tinyurl.com/o5mw8h Has anyone read what Chavez said about this?

Venezuela Chavez says “Comrade” Obama more left-wing.
Tue Jun 2, 2009 10:27pm EDT

CARACAS (Reuters) – Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday that he and Cuban ally Fidel Castro risk being more conservative than U.S. President Barack Obama as Washington prepares to take control of General Motors Corp.

During one of Chavez’s customary lectures on the “curse” of capitalism and the bonanzas of socialism, the Venezuelan leader made reference to GM’s bankruptcy filing, which is expected to give the U.S. government a 60 percent stake in the 100-year-old former symbol of American might.

“Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right,” Chavez joked on a live television broadcast.

For full article:
http://tinyurl.com/o5mw8h

]]> By: Doc99 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214801 Doc99 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:38:02 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214801 Roger Penske <a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/06/penske-to-buy-saturn-from-gm.html" rel="nofollow"> is buying Saturn.</a> Roger Penske is buying Saturn.

]]> By: NomNomNom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214777 NomNomNom Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:04:55 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214777 thx, I'll start being microsoft free now then thx, I’ll start being microsoft free now then

]]> By: Docelder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214750 Docelder Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:58:50 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214750 Suddenly, I am remembering much more. I bought the 4x4 in the dead of winter. Springtime, I turned it to air conditioning and found it wouldn't cool. Three month old car. Took it to the dealer and it shipped without the ac unit being charged with freon. The dealer charged me for filling it saying freon wasn't a warranty item. But is shipped without any? Then the tires at 12K miles were cupping badly. Again, not covered, so I bought new tires and learned the factory installed shocks at only 12K miles were worn out causing the tire tread to cup. Not covered. The guys who fixed it said that was common and the shocks were bad when shipped. There was a laundry list of things "wrong" with that new car as it shipped. So, yes, GM has issues with quality, at least they did in 1989. Maybe paying $80 an hour for labor has improved things? I don't care to find out. Suddenly, I am remembering much more. I bought the 4×4 in the dead of winter. Springtime, I turned it to air conditioning and found it wouldn’t cool. Three month old car. Took it to the dealer and it shipped without the ac unit being charged with freon. The dealer charged me for filling it saying freon wasn’t a warranty item. But is shipped without any? Then the tires at 12K miles were cupping badly. Again, not covered, so I bought new tires and learned the factory installed shocks at only 12K miles were worn out causing the tire tread to cup. Not covered. The guys who fixed it said that was common and the shocks were bad when shipped. There was a laundry list of things “wrong” with that new car as it shipped. So, yes, GM has issues with quality, at least they did in 1989. Maybe paying $80 an hour for labor has improved things? I don’t care to find out.

]]> By: markom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214744 markom Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:50:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214744 I am picking Door #3. While it will start out as Door #2, Government Motors, it will rapidly distinigrate into nothing. General Motors had been a company in decline for years before the credit crunch and its brands should have been sold off or spun off. The strategy of the company did not work and was killing all of their brands despite its advanced technology and engineering. Consumers buy cars based on price, design, and image. Consumers could not differentiate between any of the the cookie-cutter GM cars lines other than price and a few cosmetic differences. The best thing that can happen now is for GM to sell off Cadillac, Chevy and Buick before the send those brands into extinction. If not, a government run entity like this will be committeed into insolvency. I am picking Door #3.

While it will start out as Door #2, Government Motors, it will rapidly distinigrate into nothing.

General Motors had been a company in decline for years before the credit crunch and its brands should have been sold off or spun off. The strategy of the company did not work and was killing all of their brands despite its advanced technology and engineering. Consumers buy cars based on price, design, and image. Consumers could not differentiate between any of the the cookie-cutter GM cars lines other than price and a few cosmetic differences.

The best thing that can happen now is for GM to sell off Cadillac, Chevy and Buick before the send those brands into extinction.

If not, a government run entity like this will be committeed into insolvency.

]]> By: Docelder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25471/gm-general-motors-government-motors-or-going-going-gone-motors/#comment-1214732 Docelder Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:36:35 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=25471#comment-1214732 My last GM car I bought new or will ever buy was in 1989. I paid $400 extra for a limited edition metal flake burgundy paint with clear coat over it back then. In a years time, the paint was flaking off. A couple of years later, I learned the paint was recalled but that the window of time to get the car repainted had passed. So, they saved any cost of fixing my paint, but I will never buy another of their cars ever again. My last GM car I bought new or will ever buy was in 1989. I paid $400 extra for a limited edition metal flake burgundy paint with clear coat over it back then. In a years time, the paint was flaking off. A couple of years later, I learned the paint was recalled but that the window of time to get the car repainted had passed. So, they saved any cost of fixing my paint, but I will never buy another of their cars ever again.

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