Obama Getting it Right on the Holocaust?

Wise people are saying on this blog and others: Don’t listen to what Obama says, pay attention to what he does…

I have seen Bergen-Belsen concentration camp and it is truly appalling what mankind can do to one another but I will never believe Obama is sincere in his speech. It is just another opportunity to use while convenient only to be thrown under the bus when no longer advantageous.

This is like when a child and mom would slip nickles into the birthday cake and someone always managed to swallow one of the!

LJ found a bright shiny nickle surrounded in big turd!

Whoop dee doo!

Would we ever expect anything less of any member of the current, past, or future administrations to challenge any holocaust revisionist?

And, as susan h said, don’t listen to what Obama says, pay attention to what he does.

As a Jew, I am in no way comforted by his words. His actions speak louder than any empty words, and while he may challenge those who deny the holocaust happened, it doesn’t change his “cozying up to” those who wish to see the extermination of the entire Jewish race and ensure that Israel is wiped off the face of the earth.

Yes, and it is ignorant for Ahmadinejad to refute history, when the concentration camps are open for public tour. It isn’t the same as saying the statement that Israel is a stain on the Earth is just as ignorant. So, it is one thing to declare WWII Germany evil. It would take something more than he has shown so far to declare Ahmadinejad’s current vernacular as being equally evil, at least in it’s intent. But, I would credit him for at least taking the training wheels off his bike. He is going to fall a few times before he gets it right. If he has it in him to get back up when he falls to begin with. But that is the price we are going to pay for electing an untested individual to the most important job we have.

I think that there is far more of an analogy between Roosevelt’s incarceration of all Americans of Japanese descent based solely on race with Hitler’s persecution of Jews as a race than of America’s incarceration and abuse of a relatively limited number of detainees in the GWOT. No one in the Bush administration, to my recollection at least, ever said that all Muslims had to be eliminated from the face of the earth, or even the continental United States, for that matter. It is true that we took actions that were against our values as a nation, and that was wrong. But the scope of our actions in GWOT, as opposed to those of the Nazis in WW2 or even America in WW2, really have little analogy.

So the Cairo speech was about mangling history about Israel

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3670626/obama-in-cairo.thtml —

So in conclusion, yes, there was some positive stuff in this speech – but it was outweighed by the United States President’s shocking historical misrepresentations, gross ignorance, disgusting moral equivalence between aggressors and their victims, and disturbing sanitising of Islamist supremacism.

In short, deeply troubling.

and the Buchenwald was about “strength and clarity”, “sincere and not mincing words” according to LJ.

So who was the speechwriter for Buchenwald?

We are one of the largest Muslim countries in the world, according to a President who, as a candidate, refused to characterize us as a Christian country, despite the statistical case that could be made for such a characterization. President Reagan was nicknamed “The Great Communicator.” Will history judge Obama as “The Great Panderer?”

I wish I wouldn’t have read this post. Just more empty words by BO and I’m not sure about you Larry…

According to Larry, there was no Telepromter, so the President may have actually come up with this one on his own.

Equating any conduct during the Bush administration with regard to ‘prisoners’ in the guise of national security, with the Holocaust – the official policy of the U.S. government was never to “[k]ill” Muslims, whereas the official policy of the Nazis was to kill Jews – is comparing apples to f* oranges. Qualifying such equation – “[w]hile the abuses committed by the Bush Administration are mere blips compared to the monstrous scale of the evil perpetrated by the Nazis, there is an uncomfortable commonality[]” – only exacerbates the misplaced analogy.

My bad. I asked your opinion and had the expectation that you might have an independent thought and the ability to express it intelligently. I’ll try to dumb it down so you can nod along like a vacuous bobble head doll. Okay?

Tom Brokaw this morning asked Obama before visiting Buchenwald: “What can Israel learn from your visit to Buchenwald and how they treat Palestinians?”

To Obama’s credit he immediately began his answer with “There is no moral equivalence . . .”

Whatever your point of view of Gitmo or so-called torture on three terrorists to even imply a moral equivalence with anything done during the Bush/Cheney administration to the Holocaust is repugnant.

As long as the Obama administration defines the conversation, we know that the real issues are not being addressed. I don’t know how to get around the bully pulpit, but there has to be a way…

Failure to deny the holocaust doesnt mean you support Israel’s right to exist or are savvy enough to make a productive contribution in the ongoing Israel/Palestine conflict.

I havent read this speech yet, but I personally have jewish friends who support Obama, think Israel needs to be smaller and/or move elsewhere, and lost grandparents in the holocaust. So again, havent read le speech, but Obama’s rhetoric usually doesnt work on me. Good that he left TOTUS at home however.

As for the rest, Americans didnt “go along with Bush” and beat up all arabs they could find. I am “an arab” and I lived peacefully in suburban Maryland for the entire Bush administration. No thugs knocked on my door with questions. I was not detained or bothered in any way at all.

I personally find the attitude of the “Obama or bust” crowd much more akin to the zealots that followed Hitler than anything else I have seen in America in my lifetime. He makes up facts, figures and historical events and our smiling media and his followers cheer. Disagree with him or express dislike of his goals and policies and they become irate to the point of sputtering, and then resort to ad hominems.

Good plan. Notice that so far, he has visited more nations in his first four months in office than shrub may have visited in his entire TWO administrations.

Good plan. Notice that so far, he has visited more nations in his first four months in office than shrub may have visited in his entire TWO administrations. Notice that he is working deligently to undo the immense damage that shrub did to our nation and the world. Good idea. Watch what he does.

If we get hit with another 9-11 equivalent, then his handlers will have his butt at home just like Bush.

Well, it may happen without a 9-11 like event. Mubarak didn’t go to the airport to welcome him. Pretty soon, no head of state will want him speechifying on his/her turf. They will expect him to deliver the results they want, of course. This is still the honeymoon period for 0bama.

Well at least Obama expressed what appears to be sincere compassion and historical knowledge.

Too bad he doesn’t seem to show as much compassion for Americans.

In this instance I’ll give him credit. As I’ve said before I don’t hate the man. But I sure don’t trust him.

Another wait and see? Obama has the habit of talking out of both sides of his mouth. Even while making that speech about the Holocaust he has also been advocating that Israel open its borders so 4-5 million Arabics can move in with them. That would be another holocaust for the Jews.

Yes, it is difficult to put or read sincere and Obama in the same sentence.

When he said in his other speech that his primary duty was to protect the American people it sounded so hollow. Just seems like either he isn’t able to protect or in actuality won’t protect America and Americans.

So true. His actions are the clue to Obama. Not good.

Larry,

I wrote an article on NQ last summer called “The Panderer Forgets The Panzers” about his speech to a German audience of 200,000, wherein he opted to speak before the Siegessäule, a monument rife with Nazi symbolism:

Let us put location aside for the moment. His speech, which contains positive and positively vague concepts for how we must work to tear all walls down as part of the global community, is the usual pablum; fine as far as it goes. No specifics are offered, just a photo op for Obama to enjoy adulation and applause of thousands for clearing his throat.

What is not fine is this statement:

People of the world – look at Berlin!

Look at Berlin, where Germans and Americans learned to work together and trust each other less than three years after facing each other on the field of battle.

“On the field of battle?” That sounds so honorable! Like two worthy adversaries fighting over a plot of land or a political principle. Look at Berlin, indeed.

His feel good moment designed to pander to his current audience, just as he seeks to pander to any audience for whom he performs, conveniently omits the harsh reality that we were not battling an honorable adversary. We were battling Nazi Germany. You remember: the people responsible for exterminating millions of Jews.

How nice of Senator Obama to leave out any mention of the holocaust so he wouldn’t make the German people gathered for “Obamafest” feel bad, while vendors were busy selling souvenir buttons depicting him in lederhosen holding a bunch of beer steins.

My point is that last summer, when the theme of his speech was “tearing walls down” he blamed the Russians in re the Cold War but omitted the harsh reality of the Holocaust and that the Russians were our allies and helped to break Hitler’s back in WWII. They liberated Auschwitz, not Obama’s uncle or great uncle.

When it was politically convenient for him to make nice to the Germans and not offend anyone on their soil, the Holocaust did not upset him at all, apparently, because he offered no admonishments whatsoever. He made no mention of it in that speech.

Now, when it serves his purpose re Iran, he is deeply offended by it because now he is trying to sway world opinion against Ahmedinejad.

As the child of a holocaust survivor I was deeply offended by his speech last year and felt it was feel good rhetoric and revisionist history.

I am concerned that his “concern” is pure politics.

Here is the link: http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/27/the-panderer-forgets-the-panzers/

Last weekend, the History Channel ran the entire mini-series, “Band of Brothers,” a brilliant and remarkably engrossing HBO production that originally aired in 2001. If you’ve never seen this series, RENT it or buy it. The writing, the acting, the directing, and the sets are of the highest quality possible.

At the end of all of the episodes, these numbers flashed across the screen:

6,000,000 Jews were murdered by the Nazis.

7,000,000 minorities (including gypsies and homosexuals, as well as Poles, Russians, and other minorities) were murdered by the Nazis.

It struck me that those SEVEN MILLION are scarcely ever mentioned, and I wish that Israel would make sure to mention their deaths as well. (Perhaps they do — I just don’t recall seeing it mentioned. And I hope that the Holocaust museums make sure to point out their deaths as well.)

Cozy up? What the hell?!? Is Rahm HandJob or David AssRod going to let him do that?!? Your post is nothing more than disinformation. You know very well that Israel is in no danger from TBP Obama! By the way who are these genocidal maniacs he’s allegedly cozying up to?

I cant believe that I have come on this site to read this hogwash about what Obama has said about the holocaust is showing that he cares and has a deep concern for Jews and Israel.

Obama is a film flam man, he knows from yesterday he was going to get flack for his statements so what does he do,he runs off and makes another to impress the simple minded.

If anyone is willing to check of the actions of Obama one will notice this is what he does all the time, once he feels he will lose ground in a certain quarter he plays ketchup to boost him image, it has always been that way since the primaries.

I feel so sorry for America and its people, I never thought for one moment his great country had such gullible people, maybe I expected too much from this progressive nation, but here we have the biggest snake oil salesman getting away with his act daily and some still try and justify that he is doing well.

For god sake people wake up!!!!!

How about “The Great Prevaricator”?

The tenor of ALL of his speeches is determined by the audience that the speech is delivered to, not on his deeply held values. The Cairo speech was a disgrace. Obama, our primary diplomat, goes to a muslim nation and quotes extensively from the Quran (as if he knows more about it than they do), and trashes our nation, our history, and our people at every opportunity. One would hope that he could have represented our country and our Judeo/Christian values with some enthusiasm, and focus on the overwhelmingly positive contributions our country has given to humanity. Wouldn’t that have been a better approach to convince the Muslim world that our future intentions and actions are of a genuinely beneficial nature? Would you buy a brand of car after the dealer claimed that the manufacturer of the car, until recently, used to be really crappy, but they’ve re-tooled and now make great cars?

Pandering on the level of “My, you have a cute baby.” or “You’ve lost weight!” is one thing. Obama goes far beyond pandering, he’s trying to elevate himself, first by claiming that our country sucks (he makes a strawman), then he valiantly knocks down that strawman on the world stage. His elevation toward saintly heights in the eye of the world, is entirely at OUR expense! It’s not pandering, it’s a malicious distortion and trashing of the nation and people that he is supposed to be praising and promoting. He lies about us without a trace of guilt. And he will unabashedly insult anyone (depending on the audience)as long as it makes HIM look good. He’s pathological.

Russians our allies? The genocidal thugs that raped almost every woman in Germany? Yeah, Stalin was so noble. Tell that to the relatives and survivors of the exterminations, collectives, and exiles.

My son had to do a 10th grade research paper on another group targeted for extinction by the Nazis, besides the Jews, and then compare and contrast their experiences. He chose the gypsies. In his research, he learned that, almost all male gypsies were killed. He reasoned, therefore, as bad as it was for the Jews – we are Jewish – at least there were enough of us left to carry on the ‘race.’

That’s the problem. He doesn’t DO anything, he just talks and talks and talks. The Muslim world is waiting for his actions. Hell will freeze over before they see any. He wants to spend our tax money, and borrowed money that we have to pay back, to bring Muslims to America to “settle”. Well, let them pay their own way. My ancestors did when they arrived in 1676. Then when they got here they worked their butts off to make a good living and build a great country. Let the Hamas do the same, not get a free ride on our backs. We have enough to pay for, thanks to Obummer, without adding more. Perhaps the Saudis can foot the bill, at this point, they have more dollars than we do.

America has passed the tipping point, and no longer functions. Democracy requires an informed and honorable populace to work, but most Americans no longer qualify. Most are watching American Idol and NASCAR while gleefully consumming their grandchildren’s future.

The point I am making is that while it was fine for him to say bad things about the Russians, he omitted any reference to the fact that the Germans were responsible for the Holocaust in his speech.

An important detail, don’t you think?

“misplaced analogy”? This is a gross understatement regarding Mr. Johnson’s article.

I believe in an America that does not require me to worship the mass at the expense of the individual. It is not the collective that makes America great. America is made special, or at least was, because it emphasized the novel idea that the rights of each person, each individual, were both divine and sacrosanct.

BRAVO LARRY!

Down with “The Borg”–Support individualism!

Cozy up? Who are these genocidal maniacs that he’s cozying up to? His masters, Rahm HandJob and David AssRod, are not going to let him do anything that will impact Israel negatively. All the alleged Muslim/Palestinian sympathizing is nothing more than a head fake for the gullible. This post is nothing but disinformation.

Ani didnt say Stalin was noble, just stated the historical fact that the Russians were our allies in WW2. They were.

Obama is a film flam man… [who] impress[es] the simple minded.

Well said SJ, excuse my 2 cents–just woke up.

I think Bambi is fos.

I also think it is quite unseemly for 0bama
to use his uncle’s experience, for his own political
gain.
0bama would never have visited Buchenwald had he not been called out(for factual accuracy) for his remarks
during the primaries.

0zero will do nothing unless it is self serving.

I thought one of the big mysteries about WWII is that there is no documentation ordering the exterminations. Have you never heard of the plans to deport Jews to Central Asia or Madagascar? Offical Policy?

My Dad was one of the liberators at Buchenwald. He was in Gen. Patton’s army.

He wouldn’t talk much about Buchenwald, but when he did, he refused to describe what he saw. It had a huge effect on him throughout his life. He died a proud soldier at the age of 91 two years ago.

Thankfully, he wrote about his journey during WWII so our family can pass his words down to each generation.

I’m sure Obama had a sense of what Dad felt when he entered Buchenwald, but who wouldn’t?
The effect Buchenwald had on Obama may already be gone. It stayed with Dad for 63 years.

What did NASCAR ever do to you.

Approximatelly 20 million Russioans died during World War II

Can’t we reply to this post?

Given what the Germans did in Russia, the Russian troops cannot be blamed for wreaking revenge on whatever Germans they came across. And Obummer should have known that no Americans were in the Battle for Berlin. Eisenhower left Berlin to the Russians, at their request. After all, the Germans had killed 20 million Russians in the name of Liebensraum. They plundered the country and destroyed what they could not steal. I feel no sympathy for the German people facing the Russians in WWII, they literally asked for it. They cheered their Fuhrer and their army as conquerors. They benefited from the wholesale theft of Russian resources. Tens of thousands of Germans ate Russian beef, pork and other foodstuffs that had been looted, leaving the Russians to starve in one of the worst winters on record. And rape and murder were everyday occurrences by German soldiers in Russia. After all, the Russians were categorized as “untermenschen”, subhuman, and therefore didn’t deserve to be treated like people. I once met a woman who had been raped in Berlin during the Russian takeover. She went on and on about how barbaric the Russians were. I asked her if she had a son or husband in the Army, yes she had, and yes they had been in Russia. I asked her if she thought that their behavior there had perhaps caused the behavior of the Russians when they got to Germany. She looked down and refused to answer. What goes around, comes around, and payback is a bitch.

As many of us have said many times in the past, Obama is a puppet. Of course, he is still human and can still probably have genuine human feeling about the slaughter of 6 million innocent people. But remember,Obama’s version of George W Bush’s Dick Cheney is most likely Rahm Emmanual and/or Larry Summers. I don’t think anyone can doubt these politicians’ sincerity on this issue and I don’t see how they can work so closely with Obama without sharing the same opinion on this matter. But at the same time, what action Obama eventually takes with respect to Israel and Palestine, and hence the entire Arab world, will probably reflect Emmanual’s and/or Summers’ outlook as well…whatever that is…I don’t know what that is.

The Holocaust began with one Jew.

We are watching. And we see him running around talking, talking, talking. He should be in his office, working, working, working. But he doesn’t get applause and press coverage for that, so he goes on tours, talking, talking, talking. Here’s hoping he gets laryngitis so he has to shut the hell up and get to work. He will probably go down in history as a “no-show” president at this rate. Always somewhere else, never in Washington. And it would be nice if he gave some inkling that he puts American first. So far he hasn’t.

More like comparing a bushel of oranges with a tangerine! Same thing flavor and scale is different.

0bama knows that criticisms and fears from Israel and the Jewish community are finally beginning.

0bama’s “rebuke” is self-serving only – designed to quell opposition.

but there has to be a way

Every little bit helps.

I find it intriguing that anyone calls the president by his first name. That is rarely done. How often did you see stories about President Clinton wherein he was referred to simply as “Bill,” or President Bush called “George?”

It always strikes me as odd to see Obama referred to as “Barack.” We called Hillary Clinton “Hillary” to distinguish between her and her husband, and it is a little more common to refer to women by first names, for whatever reason. In most news stories, she is now referred to as “Clinton,” after the first mention of her name and title.

Richard resigned in disgrace. Ronald had Alzheimers. Gerald was clumsy. Lyndon showed his operation scar.

I dunno, it just seems weird to me!

Ask Adolf Eichmann about the official policy. Does the euphemism “The Final Solution” ring any bells? They tried to create a loophole of deniability by never specifically mentioning a policy of outright extermination.

I’ll try to dumb it down so you can nod along like a vacuous bobble head doll. Okay?

Nicely said and funny to boot.

You gotta admit Dani this is a great retort and you deserve it since you made it ad hominem.

I think that is just a part of the “brand”. Obama referred to himself in third person as Barack. I remember him saying in a speech… you are going to vote for Barack. Plus, his main obstacle to the office was really Hillary… another one name candidate.

I have a feeling there is a mood sweeping the country. Because of the MSM, most people don`t recognize it, but it is running silent, angry and deep, ready to jump up and bite Obama in the ass.

That mood is showing up in the Rasmussen Reports Daily Presidential Tracking Poll today:

34% highly approve of Obama

34% highly disapprove

equals 0% favorability. Yup, it’s the first time in Obama’s short time in office. What will it be tomorrow? Suspense.

Only 28% believe that our relationships with muslim nations will have improved a year from now.

Guess the “speechifying” is losing it’s effect.

I just like to know why he went to look at the ‘ovens’? I just read that in the ‘news’.
What’s he up to? Is he trying to confuse us? (an alinsky tactic). I’m baffled. We have so many domestic problems and he’s at a concentration camp inspecting the ‘ovens’. I just don’t get it. And why’s he going to Paris to meet up with his wife and kids for a weekend excursion? We need a leader. Not a vacationer on taxpayer dime. This is so sad.
And with Chavez saying Obama is more left than even he is makes me sick. Is this what they mean about the slow boil. ‘Don’t know.

Hi pm.

Great article the other day!

I agree it may not take a 911 event and my gut tells me something’s gonna happen in the not-to-distant future.

Mubarak not mewting BO at the airport was telling, IMHO.

The whole world went to visit Hitler for the ’36 Olympics, he was greatly admired by many at the time. Of course, 7 short years later the whole world went to visit Hitler again, only that time they were carrying rifles instead of track shoes. That’s what happens when an entire country is enthralled with the words and blind to the actions of their leaders.

I am uncomfortable with Jews being referred to as a “race”.
It reminds me of an acquaintance who told my (Jewish) husband that he intended to treat him the same as any white man.

bho the fraud. self-serving puppet of the self-serving banking/corporate oligarchs. he couldn’t give a xxxx about anyone else.

He just threw Israel a bone. Hope they throw it right back at him. Maybe break his TOTUS in the process.
Breaking on Fox at this time: traces of man-made uranium found at second site in Syria.

You may be right. Out of 278 comments on a NYT pro Obama blog about his current speechifying, only 3 people MAX supported him and his speech. The remainder were fearfully angry.
What percent is that? 99.99% are against him and this sample suggest that it might have some bearing on the reflection of a nationwide poll. If anyone can do the math…

According to Bomber Bill Ayers and other members of the Weather Underground, when they finally take over this country, about twenty million of the most resistent individuals will need to be disposed of. Perhaps Obama is merely doing advanced research. Or maybe he’s planning to be a contestant on the next “Hell’s Kitchen”. Who really knows what goes on in that deeply disturbed mind.

During WW2 Americans felt they were on the side of the angels. The Civil War and the Indian wars were so far back in history that there was no immediate feeling of hypocrisy in that ideal.

Today I immediately felt the hypocrisy of some of Obama’s words. The photos of the concentration camps – some released by the German government immediately led me to think of the bill in the U.S. Congress not to release any photos taken at our detention centers. It gave me a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach.

Obama’s praising of transparency and at the same time blocking it with the Justice Department.

Obama saying he wants to restore America’s place as an ideal for all nations and at the same time saying saying all countries are equals (would that make us first among equals?)

I long for Obama to throw open wide the doors of Bush’s creations and let the sunshine in. Today I just felt sick.

This is the kinder, gentler Larry.

What also always strikes in this country is that the communists/socialists/anarchists of Europe who were victims are never in the equation.

This article takes a close look at his speech and specifically how he subtly manipulates both history and current opinion about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I found it very interesting, definitely food for thought.

My Uncle was in Patton’s army, too. Bless ‘em all!

We all belong to a race and by extension the human race. But I’m the only one in my family who was found under a rock–

I’m not so sure about the historical knowledge part of your comment. He seems to rewrite history quite a bit. That article at the UK Spectator is addresses the “history” component of his talk. To me, it was interesting, but I am neither a political scholar or Middle East expert.

Nice and honest of you to also report that 54% of those polled at least somewhat approve of Obama.
There will be bad times and no one, least of all, Obama, expected him to maintain a HUGE approval rating. Wanna take any bets where he will be at the end of two terms? Don’t bet your lunch.

I and many of the people who I know who admired Clinton referred to him as “Bill.” I NEVER referred to shrub (always with a small “s”) Bush as anything except shrub. I don’t refer to Barack Obama as “Barack.” I don’t know why.

because torture has been admitted in only 3 cases does not signify that it has actually occurred in only 3 cases.

Yep, he is lukewarm at best. His “best if used by” date has nowhere near four years left on it for sure.

Try reading Dr. Juan Cole on the importance of what the Egyptian President did and didn’t do. You will find it on yesterday’s Democracy Now and you may find it edifying.

It makes him seem like a rock star, so there you go.

Both Summers and Emanuel are Jewish.

Also, since you brought it up, maybe Bush stayed stateside more than Obama because he was BUSY DOING HIS JOB! Are you claiming that taking multiple expensive vacations/photo-ops/adulation-ops is evidence that Obama is doing something useful or substantial? How many countries did Lincoln visit? In words and deeds, Obama couldn’t hold a candle to the bunyan on Linclon’s foot. It is rather amusing though to observe the bizarre lengths that Obama’s apologists will go to in defense of this turkey.

Do you suddenly get the feeling that The One may be about to expand his Messiah status by being the first president ever to bring criminal charges against the former president in the form of war crimes? Thereby completely destroying the opposition party called the Republican Party. It would not surprise me one bit.

he has also been advocating that Israel open its borders so 4-5 million Arabics can move in with them

Really? Do you have a link where he advocates this?

Get used to it bot, the numbers are going down no matter what you want to believe.

You live and die by 54% today. Go ahead.

Since you need a more complete picture:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers_2/by_the_numbers

You lose, James.

Ellen, your acquaintance seems a little rude, but he/she is right about Jews being a member of a separate race. Race is determined by genetics. Cycle Cell Anemia is specific to the Black people and there are other diseases peculiar to Jews and Asians and the reason is a gene they have is not found in other races. Not all Jews follow their religion so it’s not a religious designation. And what difference does it make anyway except to ignorant people like your acquaintance.

You don’t like Obama because he’s a “self-serving puppet of the self-serving banking/corporate oligarchs”. So, what do you think of all the people who don’t like Obama because he’s a socialist? Do you have arguments with them?

Do let me make a correction

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers

Short list of things Mubarak did and didn’t do:

Did not:

Hold actual elections, ever
Allow freedom of religion
End the perma state of emergency
Stop jailing bloggers and members of the press who express dissent

Did:

Implement the “friends and family” plan in government contracting
Appear on the top 20 worst dictators list for 2009
Give lip service to freedom, liberty and the Egyptian way

What the hell are you talking about???

No it did not begin with only “one Jew.”

Larry

With all due respect, I simply don’t get it. You will bash Bush and Cheney to no end. No matter what they do, good or bad, you will ensure that just about anything you write about them will have a negative tone. Yet with Obama, you know that his actions and words for the most part are two VERY different things and you know that thus far, his economic policy have put America in more debt in the short amount of time that he’s been in office than Bush did in his entire 8 years yet you some how find ways to give Obama praise while butchering Bush and Cheney. If you haven’t noticed, Obama’s foreign policy plans are very similar to Bush’s yet you still continue to butcher Bush/Cheney and somehow find a way to give Obama praise for something. There is a distinct imbalance with your analysis.

It is my understanding that you started this site, in part, because you were bothered by the MSM spin and bias and this is why people like me, visited your site on almost a daily basis. Well I must tell you that a lot of your articles shows me that you are tilting towards the same MSM spin and bias that you decried. Should you decide to respond to this post, as you sometimes reply, I would hope that your response will be respectful. Thank you.

Sure, because one bit of bad manners deserves another. Thats what makes the world such a wonderful place.

What’s your point? That Bush is as bad as Hitler? That there is an equivalence of the terrorists in Gitmo with Jews in concentration camp? What’s your point or don’t you have one?

What is your point? That there is an equivalence of the holocaust to the detainees in Gitmo?

I seriously doubt Emmanuel’s sincerity on the issue of Israel. Just because he is Jewish does not necessarily mean any sort of allegiance to the country of Israel over his personal ambition.

YOu are right. “Jews” are not a race the same way “Christians” are not a race. People who refer to Jews that way are generally mistaken although in the case of the Nazis it was of course deliberate.

“no one, least of all, Obama, expected him to maintain a HUGE approval rating.”

And you know this how, James? Your opinion? Well, IMO he fully expects to be loved and admired by the world and can’t conceive of a time when that won’t be true. I’m not going to take your bet because the future is cloudy in my crystal ball, but if asked I would say he is inexperienced, arrogant and doesn’t have a lot of respect for others and those traits are not conducive to long term love affairs. If he learns something in the next four years the inexperience can be mitigated, but he will still be operating on his basic character or lack of.

I see what we did to the German-Americans in the time of WWI, to the people of Japanese origin in our country in the early days of WWII and to what we have done to Muslims following the terrorist attacks on our nation as being kind of on a spectrum. In terms of genus, they fall in the same family of evil that was done to the Jews by the Nazis. When we speak of just *how* evil our torture was, in numbers it didn’t compare with the Nazis. Some hundred or so died under torture, not something to take home to discuss over your dinner, I’d say but my god, the Nazis were the most evil in terms of pain caused, mechanization of their dastardly acts, the assembly line that they developed. There has never been anything like it and it MUST never be forgotten. Ahmadinejad’s diatribes are not benefiting the Iranians or the cause of world peace, for sure.

traces of man-made uranium found at second site in Syria

Iraqi uranium maybe? But we have revised all possibilities of Uranium right out of Iraq. Every bot knows we only rolled Uncle Saddam because he had more oil than we did… right?

Be kind enough to provide me with examples of facts and figures that you perceive that Obama has made up, would you?

Be kind enough to provide me with examples of facts and figures that you perceive that Obama has made up, would you? The comparison of Obama with Hitler is really boring and dull. I’d like to see a list of things he “invented” and is selling in a Joseph Goebbelesque manner.

You have that to say about a nation that elected shrub Bush TWICE????? I’d say, without any equivacation that Obama is leagues better than shrub. You gave shrub 8 years. Give Obama at least 4 before you post a rant like yours.

No documentation ordering the exterminations? Quite the contrary, there was plenty of documentation. Much of it was disclosed during the post WW2 trials of those who were in charge of Nazi Germany and who created and signed the documentation. The plans to deport Jews to Central Asia and Madagascar were never carried out because the Nazis found out that it was much more profitable to round up millions of Jews, confiscate their assets, execute them, incinerate them and then collect the melted gold from their dental fillings and sell that, as well. A half a million people were employed in or supported this “industry” in one way or another.
The only controversy about the occurance of the Holocaust exists in the minds of those in ignorance and those in denial.

Hey HC123, looks like the “red sharpie” guy is trying to give you homework on Friday.

During the 1st Gulf War Emanuel was a volunteer who assisted the Israeli Defense Forces. He wasn’t in the army or a soldier but still… you question his sincerity on Israel?

LJ, what is it about this particular speech impressed you other than not being read from a teleprompter? I’m keeping an open mind, I just don’t listen to him anymore. Did you hear or see something admirable or sincere? I’ve admitted my paranoia with respect to our government and I question everything.

He was in Cairo and Riyadh, Israel is nervous and Ahmenajad and Kim Jung Ill are not “falling in line” and making him look good so what’s his message here? If you believe from his speech, he actually feels the pain of those who lived through WW2 and Concentration camps and the horrors of the Holocaust, I’ll be tempted to accept your word since you have more experience and you actually listened to his speech. After the last year or more, I have trouble being an objective observer.

What I have gotten from bits and pieces of the last week is a feeling nothing is cohesive and he is flying by the seat of his pants.

BTW, I just heard he has appointed a “Great Lakes Czar”. Does this mean he’s helping Oregon? And what with the Buchenwald story? I thought someone proved his uncle served in the Pacific?

I don’t know how any American with memory of World War II can be comfortable with a department of “Homeland Security.” I don’t believe in homeland. I don’t believe in fatherland or motherland. I believe in an America that does not require me to worship the mass at the expense of the individual. It is not the collective that makes America great. America is made special, or at least was, because it emphasized the novel idea that the rights of each person, each individual, were both divine and sacrosanct.

This is just so true for me, too. I cannot stand that we use the word “homeland,” much less now have a freaking CZAR for everything. What is wrong with this country that we have to appropriate the language of historical eras in Germany and Russia that we should be rejecting. Why are we using this language? It’s disturbing.

We have a f-ing czar for everything because they don’t need prior Congressional approval. Obama’s building his gallery of rogues.

Does it matter that Obama was incorrect when he kept crediting Muslims with creating everything from algebra to pens & ink?

The Babylonians came up with algebra and they weren’t Muslims. The Greeks hold some credit there, also,and they weren’t Muslims. The Greeks and the Chinese should be insulted that Obama credited Muslims with creating pens & ink, but hey – he’s so brilliant and such a great speech maker, why let those little inaccuracies get in the way?

What the hell is up with all the Czar crap??? I feel as if am living in Russia and someone forgot to let me know

Twice no less! Let me offer a couple, its Friday and I am headed out to enjoy the improving weather. I am sorry I wont be around to continue the witty repartee.

Obama said he would filibuster FISA, instead he signed it.

On the theme of his TOTUS free speech, how about that uncle he had in the Red Army? The one who liberated Auschwitz? Remember him?

“It’s time to set a hard date to signal a new mission in Iraq and to begin to bring our troops home. It’s time to ensure that we complete the change in mission and the drawdown of our forces, by the end of April 2008.”

Heres the video where he says he wont run for national office in 2008, because he lacked experience and would be forced to neglect his Senate duties to run. Its an oldie but a goodie. He uses his infamous “thoughtful pregnant pause” throughout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLozS-TnM&NR=1

Hes closing Gitmo. Really. Or he wants to. Maybe. Someday. Hes trying. Sort of.

How about all those lobbyists he promised would “not find a job in my White House”?

Many of the above are over 90 days old, and I know that thinking and remembering are hard, so let me offer a brand new one, from Cairo.

“Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition.”

The Reconquista was in 1236. The Spanish Inquisition started in 1478. But by all means, dont let dates and facts get in the way of a good story. Especially when the message is “historic” and “important”.

Thanks for the whitespace James. Can we work on content now?

Maybe they should have used those pens to write themselves a constitution.

Next we will have a “czar czar.”

for all of obama’s supposed reputation for brillance, etc, he shows a remarkable talent for getting a number of things very wrong. starting with sitting in wright’s church for 20 years on down to not knowing or caring about basic diplomatic concepts as appropriate presents. it says to me he is either very stupid or doesn’t give a daxx. the lattering the better answer. also he has a remarkable inability to feel any compassion or have a under the nails understanding of the average american. i could write a whole book on that. so obama makes a comment that would be expected from any world leader, we are supposed to be impressed? i think not. sorry but i got used to having presidents such as kennedy who had historical facts at his finger tips. i was used to reagan with whom i didn’t agree on many things having a positive attitude about america. heck even bush2 had a more positive view of us. so excuse me obama has a lot to prove to all of us he distained in the election campaign. he has work to do and adulation doesn’t do him or us any good.

He seems a little obsessed with Muslims. Maybe he is one.

I can but as you begin with “Really”. Then you can “really” find it for yourself .

Shalom, bros.

The list is too long. Go look it up..brush up on your history. In fact, everything that falls out of barry’s mouth is MADE UP.

“We must be ever vigilant of the spread of evil in our time.”

Obama said in his speech at Buchenwald. I would hope that in view of the torture and horrors there and because he also said

“We are here today because this work is not yet finished.”

that Obama will confront the torture and abuse of the previous administration in a completely open and thorough way.

Thank you LJ; I agree with you 100%. I always cringed and still cringe when I heard/hear “homeland.” We love ‘America.’ And though the scale of horror is grander between Nazis than anything done in the last 8 years, it is illegal and it is horror nonetheless. Will Obama choose hypocrisy, or justice and moral ethics? Coverups of the inhumane and demeaning treatment will not distinguish Americans as different, or demonstrate that we even honor the principles of democracy in deed.

welcome to the human race.you are one of us..

yes..and maybe even worse a big fat liar..

we love you any way Larry..

So, you don’t have a link.

i don;t hate him either or his lovely wife.
however in the last election the best man for the job was clearly a WOMAN..
he is just a kid playing dress up.

AGREED….yep!!!!!!!!

And though the scale of horror is grander between Nazis than anything done in the last 8 years…

THANK GOD SOMEBODY POINTED THAT OUT. Rounding up your neighbors and their toddlers and their elderly and gassing them and extracting their teeth afterwards for the gold filings, collecting their shoes, and making lampshades from their skin…yeah, I’d say that is in a league of its own and quite frankly, a far cry from Gitmo or Abu Ghraib.
I’ll shut up now and take the onslaught of insults that seem to go along with questioning the wisdom of drawing parallels between the Nazis and the U.S.

…and Susan, he got most of his research material from the Holocaust Museum.

it can’t happen too soon for me.yesterdays good..

HARP – I hope you are right.

LOL..good one

Do you actually know how to read? Please show me where I praised Obama for reading a great speech from the “teleprompter?” Do you have a list of canned comments that you cut-and-paste and insert in various blogs or are you really this vapid and clueless?

perhaps you have misread? she said, “LJ, what is it about this particular speech impressed you other than not being read from a teleprompter?”
elise is not vapid or clueless

I would doubt the sincerity in anyone close to Captain Zero. No ethnic group is free of evil members. On the subject of “race”, it is my opinion that sometime in the far future, there will be only one race, the “human” race. As for now, many are mixed of three races, Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid. The line between these are quite thin and sometimes hard to distinguish. There are those from India with very dark skin, but are not considered Negroid. Are the indigent natives of Australia considered Caucasian? Do we need 7 or more races designations? When the Mongols raced through Europe, pillaging the countryside, they left genetic markers on some groups who even today display the characteristic blue skin along newborn infants’ spines, but they are still considered Caucasian.

And vice versa correct?

I clearly pointed out what he said that was “admirable” and “sincere.” The teleprompter is a side matter. In fact, I made that point that without the teleprompter he was not a deft speaker. Ergo, elise is vapid and clueless.

I’ve never been called “vapid and clueless” before LJ. I was asking a sincere question. I didn’t watch the speech and I wanted to know what you heard considered “admirable” and “sincere”. I’ll go and read the transcript when I have time and see for myself and if you want to say I’m a lazy person for not doing that to begin with, I’ve been a little busy today.

Your hypothesis ( Elise is vapid and clueless ) is not proven by your axioms ( ie anyone who who asks questions about what you write is uniformed and lacks your cognitive ability ).

I’m still waiting for that inkling that BO puts America first:

“And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear,” said the president, who recalled hearing prayer calls of “azaan” at dawn and dusk while living in Indonesia as a boy…

PS, I would like an apology and if you doubt my depth of understanding or experience which has precluded any tendency to superficiality, I’ll write my life story for you.

“If you believe from his speech, he actually feels the pain of those who lived through WW2 and Concentration camps and the horrors of the Holocaust, I’ll be tempted to accept your word since you have more experience and you actually listened to his speech. After the last year or more, I have trouble being an objective observer.”

imo she said she was having trouble believing in his sincerity, a sentiment many have made today, but trusted you to be more objective. Again, imo– elise is free to contradict me if I am misinterpreting– she merely wanted reaffirmation that you did indeed think him sincere and perhaps some additional statement as to why you believed him.
Her question was very polite.
You have asserted that BHO was sincere, yet I also do not see enough reason to believe this. Is the conjunction of rebuking Ahmedinejad and going to Buchenwald sufficient in itself to cause one to believe him sincere? It is certainly necessary as a start. But I will have to see consistency in his holding to this path before I believe him.
I do not believe for a minute that having lingering doubts about a man who stole the presidency of this nation can be construed as vapid or clueless, but if you think so, put me in the same category, if you have not already, lol.

Thanks for the smile, NomNomNom.

I don’t know if Holocaust museums mention those other deaths but pointing it out to others has gotten me called a racist every time. Nevermind the fact, they were killed for the same justifications, being inferior to the Nazis.

The thing is, I think it would make Jewish people/Israel safer by bringing them into the total numbers killed. Rather than standing apart from the total victims of Nazi Germany.

It serves no one to have these victims ignored.

Can you say election fraud?

Republicans and the Supreme Court elected Dubya.

Ohio Republicans worked over the election in 2004.

And in 2008 the DNC fraudulently took out Hillary for the ‘flim flam man’ Obama. While stealing the votes of two entire states!

The man has earned it….deal with it.

There are now 21 Czars which is more than the Romanovs in Russia.

Isn’t amazing that no one in the media has picked up the biggest executive power grab and overreach in American history including during World War II. That is what Obama has been doing.

This is rapidly turning into a socialist state right under our noses.

What the heck are Cabinet Secretaries doing that he needs all these czars?

Should be…. ‘Florida’ Republicans and the Supreme Court elected Dubya.

He did serve in Europe but he admitted in a newspaper interview that Obama would invite him because he never talked to Obama about his experience and he did not know Obama even knew about it.

You’ll get no argument from me.

I saw the museum at Dachau 43 years ago. Those pictures and the small food rationings never will be forgotten. Only by Bush’s last term did I understand how a fascist leader could gain power here. 0′s election and policies continue the possibilites of something non-democratic, this way cometh.

Thank you TexasMirth–I agree totally. I also think chopping hostages’ heads off and filming it could be right up there with Nazi atrocities or how about flying planes into buildings and incinerating thousands of people instantly?

A major insult is directed at our entire nation every time that comparison is made. I hope the people who keep drawing that comparison begin to realize how insane they sound when they make it.

On this, you and I can agree. James. There’s no comparison in what was done to Jews and gypsies and the German political opposition during WWII and the over-hyper sentiment in the States and elsewhere in regards to Muslim terrorists or the over-vigilent and senseless bigotry against German Americans or Japanese Americans during the 40s. The scale of the abuse and horror just isn’t there. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be on guard, always, against our own over-emotional response to perceived threats. But to make an analogy to American action and the Nazis horror is beyond the pale.

I’m glad Barack Obama made a point of discrediting those who would deny the Holocaust. Oddly enough when I went to highschool, the Holocaust was never covered. I read novels about the ghettoes and concentration camps but thought it was merely fiction. No one talked about it. Not my parents or teachers. But then, while at university, I attended a seminar and watched film footage of the Brits bulldozing dead bodies, hundreds of bodies into lime pits. What the Nazis had left behind. And the Germans were very good at record keeping.

There is no deneying or forgetting what happened. It’s a memory that needs to be kept alive, well beyond those few survivors that still exist.

We should remember. We should always be on guard. But let’s not draw false parallels. It only cheapens and dimishes the unspeakable horror that happened before most of us were born.

I think there are a multitude of reasons to dislike Obama, take your pick! There’s plenty to go around.

Susan, you are so right. There is no voice for the “other” 7 million. And that’s not to diminish the 6 million Jews, an unspeakable number. But 13 million human beings were exterminated by the Nazis.

And yet, we rarely hear about those “others.”

Btw, I did watch “Band of Brothers” when it first aired. Top notch. I would highly recommend it.

That’s easy..

OBAMA DOESN’T REPRESENT ME!!!

Obama is hostile to my interests!

Obama supports the other guy and looks down on his own country and long standing allies.

Obama is destroying the concept of a free market economy with the very real prospect of decades of agony.

I think you’re right, Harp. It’s like a riptide. You may not see it but it’s a force to be reckoned with–just beneath the surface.

People in my part of the country have been blinking and winking. Awake!

People are angry. Someone referred to the summer of 2009 as the Summer from Hell.

Despite what the MSM reports, people know what they know and feel what they feel.

The Kool-aide has an expiration date!

I was in Buchenwald in 1984 with my German class. They used to take the starving prisoners out twice a day to make them watch the animals being fed.

“cozying up”

Pat Buchanan’s take on the Speech is that Obama kicked Israel:

“The Israel-centric Middle East policy of George W. Bush is dead … Obama is directly challenging the thesis of Israel and its lobby, AIPAC, that U.S. and Israeli interests are one and the same.”

Re the standoff between Obama and Netanyahu on settlements and two-state: “A collision that could shatter the coalitions of both Bibi and Barack now appears inevitable …”

The danger with Buchanan is he’s so smart, you can’t tell when he’s lying. Does he really think Obama will man up to AIPAC? Or is he just stirring up trouble for Obama with Jewish voters?

For Buchanan, either is a win. He wants to lameduck Obama ASAP, and he’s no fan of AIPAC (and vice-versa).

Larry needs glasses. Of course he used a teleprompter. I watched the entire speech and YES there was a TELEPROMPTER.

That’s part of his problem, he considers himself more a citizen of Islam than he does an American citizen. He is a US citizen, isn’t he?

Seems highly unlikely that Hussein Hopenchange would wing a speech without TOTUS.

Animal Control-Could you explain your remark? It doesn’t jive with historical facts, but maybe you have an explanation or a correction to make?

Calling out Aquavelvajad from Buchenwald reminded me. Allied Supreme Commander Gen. Eisenhower ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect:

“Get it all on record now – get the films – get the witnesses – because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”

I wonder … in how many years will someone stand up to deny that 9-11 ever even happened?

PS I would be amiss not to give attribution to a commenter “gorb” on rantburg.com.

Wow, Larry. Elise is not vapid nor clueless. Au contraire, she is erudite and informed and her posts are always a joy to read. She asked you, very politely, a simple question. I don’t believe she deserved this kind of response from you.

You and Larry must be smoking the same weed. There is NOTHING this boy has said that should be admired. He will be the destruction of this Country.