Will the Democratic Party Be Democratic? When Hillary Wins the Popular Vote Will Obama Act Like It’s Florida?

well thought out

well written

on the money

thanks, larry

SPECTACULAR!!!!

Excellent well thought out article.

“But, remember, there is only one true measure of winning in a democracy–who has the most votes. The one who doesn’t win a majority and suppresses votes isn’t the winner. He’s the loser, acting in bad faith, denying democracy.”

Wow… Only one true measure of winning in a Democracy? Somebody should have told HRC that BEFORE she attempted to change every single metric that would GIVE (not EARN) her the Democratic nomination.

Last time I checked, the only way to secure the Democrat’s nomination was by a delegate count, not popular vote.

And by the by, it was HRC’s own biggest cheerleader, Terry McAuliffe and Harold Ickes, who helped to design and threated to implement these rules if states like Michigan and Florida tried to cut the line. I guess those things don’t really matter when you’ll do anything to advance your own ambitions instead of what’s good for the country or the party. Such a sad thing for a Democrat to have to resort to…

Larry,
I think I saw No Quarter cited on Fox. Can you get a little face time on their network? MSNBC has become a total disgrace. Matthews and McAuliffe went at each other pretty good the other day. Good for Terry for calling Matthews Obama’s campaign manager.

The Democratic Party ship has lost its moorings and it is now adrift in a sea of uncertainty. A parrot in Jack Sparrow’s ship, ably assisted by a gang of both old and young paleo-liberal and neo-liberal buccaneers, have taken possession of the ship that lost won a race for the presidency in 1996. The situation is becoming more grim as the party elders refuse to acknowledge an electoral catastrophe of their making by disenfranchising the swing states of Florida and Michigan – and by stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the edge that a female senator has with both swing states and reliably Democratic strongholds over Jack Sparrow’s say-anything parrot. The solution? Let the ship burn in November and build an new one. B.O.W.L.* Big Time in November! If we can’t have a Capt. Hillary at the helm of the ship of the Union, I’d rather have Uncle John than the Irreverent Jeremiah and the rest of the Obama ship crew!

*Barack Obama Will Lose

Excellent Larry: brilliant analysis and spot on.
Talking about NARAL; Keenan made an additional outrageous comment. How insulting can this woman be?!

Given the “massive healing” needed to keep Clinton’s staunchest women supporters in the fold should Obama become the nominee, Conlin said, the endorsement was like “throwing a flaming spear into a tinderbox of raw emotion.”

The Obama endorsement is not the first controversy Keenan has faced as president of NARAL. In 2005, her group withdrew an ad accusing then-Supreme Court nominee John Roberts of “supporting violent fringe groups and a convicted bomber” following protests from abortions rights supporters and opponents alike. At the time, Keenan said the ad had become “a distraction from the serious discussion” the group hoped to have with the American public.

In response to the current controversy, Keenan says people will get over their “broken hearts.”

“At the end of the day, the heart heals and you get on with the business of politics and what’s doing right by the country,” she said. “It’s the old Montana saying: You dust yourself off, and you get back in the saddle.”

From:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10408.html

(emphasis mine).

I am outraged at NARAL’s travesty.

Two points for Keenan: shove your paternalistic and demeaning “broken hearts” comment
up your —- We support HRC b/c of her head: her brillant mind, policy savvy and qualifications. Heart has nothing to do with it: those are the sissy Obama supporters, you got confused.
(2) How can you support Obama whose “heart” was indeed with John Roberts: didn’t you feel strongly enogh against Roberts that
you run a strong ad against him ? Your support of Obama and Obama’s “heart” regarding SCOTUS do not jibe.

It will be interesting to see Gore’s position when Hillary wins the popular vote count. Especially since he was in a similar position in Florida in 2000 and the Supreme Court intervened, disenfranchised the voters and selected Bush as President.

Also, the Obama campaign is running against the last Democratic president, Clinton’s, record and praising the Republican administrations. Bizarre, but true.

What they appear to have missed that it was the Clinton-Gore administration. Every time they dismiss and trash Clinton’s record, they are essentially including Gore in their assessment. Gore was Clinton’s VP for eight years and was a participant in many of Clinton’s policies.

Gore has been silent in this campaign but I wonder how he feels about that.

Some one should FORCE SOMEONE AT CNN, MSNBC & FOX, ETC to read this out loud on the news!!

Challenge anyone with half a wit wanting to argue to come on by………. we’re waiting for them!

Try to convince me what color the sky is on YOUR planet will you? I’m staying right here with Mother Earth.

I challenge Wolf, Lou Dobbs, Anderson, anyone CNN to READ THIS statement by Larry! I dare you to be REAL journalists and defy the barakoolaide for just long enough to read an HOUR’s worth of NO QUARTER blogs! I dare YOU!!

forget msnbc I already know they are too limp wristed to turn the page and see the whole picture

Ha! Ha! Ha! How predictable. More Obama roolz.
Just a few months ago you folks were shrieking that the
Super D’s shouldn’t overrule the will of the people – the
popular vote. Now the will of the people not so important.
It’s Obama that is willing to leave a slashed and burned
party behind him. Although he claims he is the “post racial”
candidate, he has fanned the flames of racial divisiveness.
And let’s not even start with the insulting of women, the
elderly, latinos and “hillbillies”. You guys are nasty and scarey.
Get your unity hell away from me.

you guys

DO NOT JUST TALK ABOUT IT

MAKE IT HAPPEN

LETS KEEP ON MAKING CALLS

KEEP ON MAKING CALLS

AND DO NOT COMPROMISE WITH DEM PARTY

ITS ONLY HILLARY FOR US

OR WE MUST MAKE OBAMA LOOSE TOO THE WAY HE TURNED AND DIDVIDED THE EM PARTY

WE HAVE TO MAKE HIM LOOSE

so keep it up

keep blogging

and keep making calls

But…but…but…the “RuleZ”.

The same rules that dictate that Super Delegates will decide this contest.

A load of bull , she went with the rules when she thought she had a slam dunk in the beginning . now that the ROOKIE is owning her she wants to call foul ,,, suck it up and move on
She’s supposed to have more experience , why can’t she close the DEAL

Gore was just the tie breaking vote … no more no less

Problem is, a guy like Obama, and his crew, are not in control, though they really think they are, in control of the world, actually, as they think they represent the US, and it’s firepower. It’s a function of their aberrant, immature psychologies.

And every time they feel in control, they do something stupid, and, as it appears they’re feeling in control again, I would expect another, um, BOLD move — kind of like Kim, and North Korea, when they fire a would be nuke. I swear, they think the same way, lol, no real perspective.

So don’t be surprised at what he does in regard to the election.

Speaking to a couple of people, they’ve been very very impressed with the work here at NQ, thought I’d pass it along, your hard work is making a difference, and is highly appreciated.

no you are wrong

she agreed to the rules

the DNC broke their OWN rules

they were only supposed to take HALF the delegates like the REPUKES did but they decided on their OWN to strip them all!!!!

now YOU get over it!

they broke their own rules

She has: PA, WV, OH, TX, RI. She won the important primaries, and she will win at least one more on Tuesday. Obama can only win undemocratic caucuses.

Geez… you sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher… *Wonk, wonk, wonk*

Give it a rest already. It’s OVER. Besides, BHO is up by 300,000 votes in the popular vote count (and yes, that does include Florda!). How can you make a CREDIBLE argument for MI when he wasn’t even on the ballot? I guess you follow Harold Wolfson’s school of thought that the PR primary vote should count on June 1st… even though they DON’T VOTE FOR PRESIDENT!

ROLMAO!!! Thanks for making my day!!

why can’t she close the DEAL?

Media bias against her.

Unfounded cries of racism against her family.

Obama taking huge money from oil companies and big business via bundling.

The threat of rioting to keep people in line.

The DNC leadership against her.

Idiot trolls like you who won’t see the truth about Obama and support her.

And best of all neither candidate can close the deal until August so what is your point? 2209 is all that counts.

In Florida 2000, the votes were not counted because the conservative majority on the Supreme Court ruled they shouldn’t be counted.

Come on Larry, that’s partisan snipering. You know if it was the reverse, you would’ve laughed it off as “conspiracy talk”.

The point is the Supremes hate these types of decisions. Be it the 2000 election, to the Terri Schiavo murder (and I bet you’re not claiming the “conservative majority on the Supreme Court ruled [Terri] shouldn’t be counted [as a human being]” for them not even listening the case, as that’ll nix another Dem taking point: euthanasia).

That’s politicalizing SCOTUS way beyond confirmation hearings. It’s a poisoned well.

she was about to close the deal
when obama came calling all reporters **sweetie** and **paying money** to superdelegates for thier endorsements and when media decided a woman can not run this country and then 17 ,18 yr olds like u fell in love with ***obamagirl** and went stupid

so its not hillary who can,t close the deal
its the americans like you who are so stupid they can,t even make thier choices based on facts ,who r living in lalaland and drinking koolaid and i am sorry —–did u say –u r also proud of this country —like michelle is ,,or did u say ,,,god da,,,america;;

go screw urself

Apparently (yes, I said, “apparently”), the Obama campaign has hired 400 bloggers to post on the Internet with the intent of encouraging Hillary supporters to “remember we are all Democrats” (well, yeah, I remember that; I just wish some of the most vile Obama supporters would remember that) and that we all have to “unite” to beat the Republicans in November.

(Hint: Google “400 Obama bloggers” and see what turns up.)

The newly “friendly” Obama bloggers remind me of nothing so much as a totally unrepentant 3-year old who is forced to apologize to a playmate for hitting the playmate.

Some of the Obama bloggers speak about “our” (the Hillary supporters) need to unite with the Obama people “for the sake of the party,” but they are talking to the WRONG people. They need to post that message on boards where all the Hillary supporters have been driven off by the abusiveness, name-ceiling and insults directed at Hillary supporters by the Obama supporters.

Obama supporters need to know that a good beginning in their “unity” quest — now that Obama thinks he has the nomination sewn up and needs our support — would be an APOLOGY from Barack Obama, Michelle Obama (I want to hear her tell Americans how much she loves and respects us all), and the Obama community of supporters, who have used the most foul language I have ever heard hurled at rival Democrats in all my years of political activism.

I would also like to point out that it was NOT the Hillary supporters or the Hillary campaign that injected race into this campaign.

It was the Obama people who injected the issue of race into the campaign because Hillary was getting well-deserved support from the African-American community — as the Clintons always have, for every good reason — and Obama wanted and needed that support.

So, the ugly issue of race got played by the Obama people.

Anyone who believes it was the Clintons who injected race into this campaign is not thinking clearly or logically. The Clintons had been respected and beloved in the African-American community all their political lives, because black Americans KNEW the Clintons were fighting for them and for the issues they (black Americans) cared about.

WHY is god’s name would the Clintons have done anything to jeopardize that support? It makes NO sense — and they did NOT do it.

The Obama people with the aid of Tim Russert, Chris Matthews and the rest of the media whores revved up the race thing, NOT the Clintons and certainly not the Hillary supporters.

It was the Obama team that very cleverly injected race into this campaign, forcing blacks to abandon the Clintons and support Obama — yelling, “Uncle Tom” at any black person who continued to support Hillary — and then yelling, “racist” at anyone who criticized Obama for any reason at all. Well, it is a clever if evil tactic, but I think it is starting to backfire on them.

broke the rules

u talking about ur bitter,arrogant,snob,waffles,koolaid,piper,clinging to pastor wright candidate BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA

BECAUSE HE RAN ADS IN FLORIDA,,,,,

First off dawnelle , the dnc didnt break the rules , fl and mi did . hil went with the prescribed actions against them , at first because she thought she had a slam dunk win . but like i said the rookie is owning her and its a fact no matter how much you try and twist it …
peace

I saw Pelosi on one of the “news” programs a while back. She was doing the “people must be heard” thing. But she was also saying that the “people must be heard through the pledged delegates.” Amazingly, the media guy asked her what would happen if the popular vote outcome was different than the pledged delegate outcome.
Her face did that curdled milk thing (you know the one I’m talking about). She looked a little sick.
She said, “oh no, that’s not gonna happen.”
uh oh, Nancy. Prepare to look sick again.

Great overview, Larry.

Great article Larry. More power to you!

It is time for a third party candidate – Hillary Clinton. This election is not about party but about the country and its people. If Sen Clinton decides to run as independent, she will win !!!

Hey, what about Doudou Dienne coming to visit us racists? And don’t forget it’s racist to make fun of that name (and that job). Let’s give him a shout out!

I took that quote as factual. Didn’t the conservatives on the court rule that the votes should not be counted and the dissent was from the liberal side? I don’t see what is partisan about stating a fact as part of making a larger point.

Good Post Larry….I am getting fed up with this new illogical math being shoved down my throat by the DNC….
Since when does 13% of a population become a majority…
Since when does 40% of a caucus result mean a conclusion of a winner…
Since When does the election of POTUS become an annoiting by the elite…

** I REFUSE…I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED…I WILL NOT BE PERSUADED **
OBAMA IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY….HE IS UNFIT FOR POTUS

Gore will endorse barky on the 20th after he loses KY and OR.

To me, those arguments are a disingenuous load of crap.

I mean, arguments George Bush, Jr could understand, and embrace.

Do you assume everyone is this illiterate?

Or is it just you?

Where are these friendly bloggers? Maybe a couple people have been friendly but they never stay that way for long. As soon as we turn up the heat like a kernel of corn they pop.

testing… my comments are not showing up; either too slow or some problem with SPAM filters?

We have the Pelosi video clips so it will be impossible to back out and look credible. She would be wise to call Dean up and tell him the game is up for BO. Maybe she already made that call and anything public is just posturing.

Filters probably.

Yup and that number is 2209

5 states broke the rules

iowa, nh, sc, fl & mi ALL MOVED AHEAD OF SCHEDULE THUS BROKE THE RULES

ONLY fl and mi were punished

why is that???? you have no excuse!

I don’t need to argue the facts with someone who doesn’t KNOW THEM!!

PLUS as SOnIA pointed out ODRAMA also broke the rules by running ads that showed up in florida
how much proof do you need that this guys is a crook and an empty suit thug?

grow UP!!!

It’s not the Supremes voting it down. No, not even the liberal Supremes, just the conservative supremes.

That’s partisan snipering.

What I highlighted is how wrong to believe that belief, because the same court denied hearing Terri’s case too, despite conservatives on the bench.

It’s a reality check. We don’t get all we want, even on the constitutional rights side, unfortunately.

But here’s the fun part IA NH SC and NV all broke the rules too. Where are their penalties?

ABC News popular vote count – HRC 16,691,639 BHO 16,648,060.

http://abcnews.go.com/politics

Apparently you also have numeracy issues.

It’s odd b/c the very short ones are appearing instanteneously but a longer one I wrote quoting
an oy=utrageous comment by Keenan (NARAL) is not showing up…Submitted more than once.

Wrote to SusanUnPC.

The hits here have been massive lately, so it’s probably just a delay.

Those 400 bloggers Obama hired like to hang out here. lol.

Nicely done Susan. But I think they are going to spot Obama some votes. Kind of like bowling with people who are better than you are. Ooops, wrong analogy.

Apparently (yes, I said, “apparently”), the Obama campaign has hired 400 bloggers to post on the Internet with the intent of encouraging Hillary supporters to “remember we are all Democrats”

I’m more concerned about GOP types more. The Obamatics are dumb as a stack of bricks, but the GOP types have an uncanny ability to blend into Larry’s message (especially on issues of national security), and “pass”.

Like real racism up North: What you can see is what you can avoid. What you can’t becomes problematic.

the dnc didnt break the rules

Actually it did. It didn’t punish all that jumped the shark, and selectively punished MI and FL with a punishment beyond it’s own bylaws of 50%.

In Law, that’s “cruel and unusual punishment.”

damn right I forgot about Nevada too!

It’s just not worth arguing with them. They don’t WANT the votes to count because it will put her ahead and they would have to admit they screwed up on TOO many levels to count right now.

Bravo, Larry – thank you!

despite conservatives on the bench.

Yes but they can pick and chose when to dispense with their conservatism. In that case I agree with Larry even adding your partisan aspect.

Apparently, you have reading comprehension issues. The popular vote count I cited does not include MI, as per my original post. But once again, that doesn’t seem to phase any of the hysterical HRC supporters who will “cling” to any hope that they have a shot in hell.

If you need further slicing and dicing of your argument:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

To Scoutt: I am a woman AND a Latina. I’ve only been insulted by HRC’s sense of entitlement and “inevitablity,” and her willingness to resort to the RNC’s slash-and-burn, win-at-any cost playbook. There are MANY, MANY more women and Latinos who feel the same.

Please get over yourselves!

Or pick and chose when to dispense with the Constitution. It is not unthinkable to conceive the court was acting as king maker.

Her face did that curdled milk thing (you know the one I’m talking about). She looked a little sick.
She said, “oh no, that’s not gonna happen.”

Smug arrogance, huh?

Politicians aren’t that sure unless some fix is in.

But the real test is how the “little people” will get out of the lab maze, and replace this current losing leadership with one that is about winning — according to the people — not Tammany Hall?

The only way anyone will know is in November (and afterwards when the leadership is ousted on their rear, by the voters).

This is why they continue to be smug, as folks usually don’t follow up on their threats of ousting losers in office (Marion Barry being a Mayor so many times, explains it exactly!).

Will this time truly be different?

Oh Look! A latina for Obama. That’s rare!

Since when does 13% of a population become a majority…

12%. 3% less than the Hispanic vote, too.

SO NOW THAT THE MEDIA KNOW WE KNOW

SO NOW THAT THE DNC KNOWS THAT WE KNOW

Gee, I wonder if we might see FLA and MI seated shortly and a spirited continuation of a still unsettled Democratic Primary Campaign????

I mean after all

THEY ALL KNOW WE KNOW – right?

ahem (cough)

WE KNOWWWWWWWWWW
AND
WE ARE WATCHING YOU!!!
(said the working class to the media and the DNC)

don’t pass the cake

Larry,
If this is your final, and last straw to grasp to try & get a ‘win’ for Hillary, you are going to fall on your face faster than the eggs can drip from it. It has become clear in the last few months that you appear to be a die-hard Republican masquerading as a Democrat, and Hillary sure appears to be becoming one too.

If you & Susan go back over the last 5 months and look at what you guys have written, you’ll see that you both have contradicted yourselves more that McCain ever though he could (on current issues… not security issues before 12-07.)

What really bothers me most is that this was my favorite one on Security Issues. What happened to you Larry? Your insights in this area were really great, but you somehow awoke one morning in December of ’07, and decided to turn this site into a very hateful site of Obama, and against anyone else who for any number of reasons did not think Hillary was our best candidate.

If you are going to continue down this path, I strongly suggest that you remove the “Tired of spin? Larry Johnson offers no quarters on issues of your security,” from you logo, because ‘security’ is no where to be found on this site now.

Thanks, and hope you turn it around quickly and get back to what you originally made this site for.

I wonder how much Mr. O will pay to have that endorsement.

(I’m reposting in 2 parts to see if it shows up…)

Part I:

Excellent Larry: brilliant analysis and spot on.

Talking about NARAL; Keenan made an additional outrageous comment. How insulting can this woman be?!

Given the “massive healing” needed to keep Clinton’s staunchest women supporters in the fold should Obama become the nominee, Conlin said, the endorsement was like “throwing a flaming spear into a tinderbox of raw emotion.”

The Obama endorsement is not the first controversy Keenan has faced as president of NARAL. In 2005, her group withdrew an ad accusing then-Supreme Court nominee John Roberts of “supporting violent fringe groups and a convicted bomber” following protests from abortions rights supporters and opponents alike. At the time, Keenan said the ad had become “a distraction from the serious discussion” the group hoped to have with the American public.

In response to the current controversy, Keenan says people will get over their “broken hearts.”

“At the end of the day, the heart heals and you get on with the business of politics and what’s doing right by the country,” she said. “It’s the old Montana saying: You dust yourself off, and you get back in the saddle.”

From:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10408.html

(emphasis mine).

“go screw yourself.”

Ah…..Obama’s “unity,” embodied in his shallow and uninformed supporters.

Your candidate NEEDS these votes in November, hot shot.

Best stop offending the very voters your candidate can’t win without.

They have a filter on certain links. Include the link, and the post disappears. Just don’t post clickable links, and it should pass.

dripping koolaide

(as I walk behind with the mop)

Another critique of Larry? Yawn.

Spin all you want. This is not about Hillary. This is about voters being punished for something that they did not do. If Obama and the DNC want to stand behind that, they will have to accept the consequences.

I would love to have seen that! But I no longer turn on MSNBC or NBC for any reason whatsoever. They are dead to me.

Thanks Larry!!!!

you are missing the point. the dnc will honor the will of the people it puports to represent or it will lose those people’s support. bashing hillary will not change that fact.

The 400 bloggers are not new hires, in my opinion.
I’ve been seeing their handiwork since Obama was doubtful to qualify in the Iowa primary without Biden and Kucinich’s “endorsements.”

I am sickened by the level of stupidity America is showing in this election. Hillary is the only qualifed canidate and i will be sad if I have to vote McCain.

EVERYONE

I AM AFRAID

AS NICE AS HILLARY IS ,,THEY -DNC-MIGHT OUSH HER TO COMPROMISE

BUT WE ARE ALL THE WITNESSES of obamas,,dnc,,media trashing our clintons

so we all need to not forget that and ot compromise

r u listening

jewish people

asian people

catholics
white women
low job white men
less educated white people
bitter people

r u listening>>>>>>.

dnc does not need us

they only need young youtube kids and african americans(no offense to aa community)

so people

since they do not need us …we do not need them

we need to stay focused on hillary nomination

or then rally against obama

It has become clear in the last few months that you appear to be a die-hard Republican masquerading as a Democrat

No, he couldn’t pass as a GOP type, too much into :cough: conservative bashing :cough:.

Larry’s a Lefty, but one that’s concerned about national security. The CIA has agents from all parts of the political spectrum, each concerned over their corner of the country/ideology. Agree or disagree, but he has country at heart.

Now do you?

I was rounding up to the higher # based on the census pop. stats…
It’s easier….

Wouldn’t it be so nice if Oregon voters came out and smacked Obama in the face with voting him down? Kentucky sure will. They are throwing his pamphlets in the trash, the NRC is in Louisville having their convention and are staying through Tuesday and the Kentucky people are saying why is he wasting all of this money he could feed people with? They are also angry over the comments coming in form their friends in West Virginia and the name Obama people are calling them. People are getting tired of being called uneducated, hicks, Hillbillies, racist, and ignorant if they are smart enough not to vote for Obama. He says he needs time to get these states to vote for him? Think again, the way these voters are being treated they will delight in voting him out. Here in Florida we will not forget he blocked our votes. We will have a chance to be heard, loud and clear in November if Hillary has this election stolen from her.

The first time I heard of Larry Johnson was when he was on Outfoxed exposing what a GOP propaganda outfit Fox News is.

Needless to say, it’s a bit perplexing to read this site and see daily references to Fox News, Karl Rove, and even seeing people urging Larry to go on Fox News.

Please do not blame the Supreme Court for Al Gore’s failure in 2000. First of all if Al Gore had focused on his home state rather than Florida he would have been the winner. Second, it was the fault of the media not the Supreme Court. Remember the media in their haste to crown Al Gore the winner called Florida before all of the polls in Florida closed. This created a problem in the pan handle where the polls were due to be open for close to another hour. How many disenfranchised Republican voters decided not to cast their vote once they heard their candidate had lost? Third, when the media called PA, FL, and MI all for Al Gore how many voters out in western States decided to either vote for Al Gore because he was the winner? Or how many Republicans stayed home when they found out their candidate lost? Election 2000 was a mess that could have been avoided if the media had waited just a few more minutes before creating turmoil in Florida. I believe this was a effort by the media to turn an election. The media should have been sued for interfering with an election and other corruption charges. But the democratic party instead chose to feel sorry for themselves and blame the Supreme Court. All the Supreme Court did was preserve the will of the Florida voters. Florida was studied by many organizations and the end result remained the same. Bush always came out on top. In some isolated cases where only one county was recounted Gore came the closest to winning but he never came out on top. I would think Hillary supporters would now be lashing out at the media and quit blaming the Supreme Court rather than a biased media.

That’s conspiracy territory.

Occam’s Razor rules.

Excellent Larry: brilliant analysis and spot on.

Talking about NARAL; Keenan made an additional outrageous comment. How insulting can this woman be?!

Given the “massive healing” needed to keep Clinton’s staunchest women supporters in the fold should Obama become the nominee, Conlin said, the endorsement was like “throwing a flaming spear into a tinderbox of raw emotion.”

The Obama endorsement is not the first controversy Keenan has faced as president of NARAL. In 2005, her group withdrew an ad accusing then-Supreme Court nominee John Roberts of “supporting violent fringe groups and a convicted bomber” following protests from abortions rights supporters and opponents alike. At the time, Keenan said the ad had become “a distraction from the serious discussion” the group hoped to have with the American public.

In response to the current controversy, Keenan says people will get over their “broken hearts.”

“At the end of the day, the heart heals and you get on with the business of politics and what’s doing right by the country,” she said. “It’s the old Montana saying: You dust yourself off, and you get back in the saddle.”

From:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10408.html

(emphasis mine).

I am outraged at NARAL’s travesty.

Two points for Keenan: shove your patronizing and demeaning “broken hearts” comment
up your —- We support HRC b/c of her head: her brillant mind, policy savvy and qualifications. Heart has nothing to do with it: those are the Obama supporters, you got confused.
(2) How can you support Obama whose “heart” was indeed with John Roberts: didn’t you feel strongly enogh against Roberts that
you run a strong ad against him ? Your support of Obama and Obama’s “heart” regarding SCOTUS do not jibe.

Caucus states don’t have a popular vote. They have a calculated metric based on delegates won and they tend to disenfranchise a large number of the population. That is, suppress their vote. So, it’s a skewed number to begin with.

The popular vote is based on ACTUAL votes cast by real people. Not a false metric that someone devised.

Hillary has won the popular vote by any measure by ACTUAL votes cast for her by real people. Not forumlas to guess at what the actual vote would be.

Hey you stupid motherfuckers, how many superdelegates does Hillary have since West Virginia?

ONE!

LMAO!

ONE FUCKING SUPERDELEGATE AFTER A 40 POINT BLOWOUT?

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME?

POOR POOR HILLARY…..LMAO

huuummm, I seem to remember early on in this race, when Obama was ahead in the popular vote, Larry wrote a very informative piece about the importance of the delegate & super delegate vote. You can’t have it both ways. Nancy Pelosi has said she can’t imagine the super dels over turning the popular vote & my guess is if Nancy doesn’t want it to happen it’s not gonna happen. Nancy was a player in the Dem Party when Hillary was workin’ on the Goldwater campaign, remember Pelosi is 2nd generation heavy weight, like her or not, she knows her way around & has alot more back door channels than Howard Dean or Donna Brazille. Only a moron would want to tick her off. Cross her & your bill won’t come to the floor.

oh dear. more ignorance on parade.

You are incapable of reasoning outside your little box. Right now Fox is helping so people accept the help where they can get it. Preserving our Democracy from Obama is more important than your illogical argument.

Your argument makes no sense at all.

True Dem ….

As a political move, Obama took his name off the MI ballot … his choice. he tried to embarrass Hillary … by assuming the UNCOMMITTED votes would surpass Hillary and he could make her the butt of his jokes… and it didn’t work.

Yet, Obama had a chance to redeem himself and agree to the revote! No money out of his campaign… he could have had want he “wanted” a chance to campaign there …. and he BLOCKED THE REVOTE!!!

WHY? He was scared… that is why.

His personal ambition is ahead of the people.

Hillary or McCain will be the President.

I stopped reading after the “Hey you stupid motherfuckers” part. Great way to make a point. And what point was that again?

I May Be Black, Mr. Obama, But You’re No President for Me!
Politics Rev. Lainie Dowell
May 17, 2008

If it were not for a number of conservative journalists who deal with facts and not spin, many of us would have no idea what the news media are not reporting about the social, financial, academic, religious and political events upon which we are called to make informed – indeed, crucial – decisions.

A recent article in To The Point News, “Barack Don’t Know Much About History Obama,” by Jack Kelly, is a perfect example. In his article, Kelly points out the numerous historical flaws contained in Sen. Barack Obama’s victory speech after the North Carolina primary.

Obama said that he trusted Americans “to understand that it is not weakness, but wisdom to talk not just to our friends, but to our enemies, like Roosevelt did, and Kennedy did, and Truman did.”

Kelly points out that FDR never spoke to the head of Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler; the head of fascist Italy, Benito Mussolini, or the head of militarist Japan, Hideki Tojo. The president’s only policy, Kelly points out, “was unconditional surrender.”

http://www.newmediajournal.us/guest/l_dowell/2008/05172008.htm

Needless to say, it’s a bit perplexing to read this site and see daily references to Fox News, Karl Rove, and even seeing people urging Larry to go on Fox News.

It’s the only TV news network that didn’t get Dean’s “love” memo. Thus, the only TV news network at least giving Hillary a proper view and criticism (because they can’t afford alienating her viewers, as the GOP needs her votes in November).

This is a pro-Hillary site, don’t expect MSNBC coverage!

Excuse me, but you don’t speak for THIS LATINA or for the 60% that voted for Hillary in the primaries.

Hillary has visited our neighborhoods all arcross the country, takes the time to hear out our issues and makes sure that local & state politicians come through.

Hillary has been responsible in actively supporting and campaigning with Latino politicians & prominent cLatiuno community leders to make sure we have representation in our local, state and federal offices.

She has apppeared numerous times on Spanish-langugae media programs & has a great grasp of Latino issues.

You don’t speak for me, nor the majority of Latinos that support Hillary – so don’t try it.

Okay I will try again; indeed there was a link to politico. will repost without. Thanks!

Only a moron would want to tick her off. Cross her & your bill won’t come to the floor.

I don’t see anyone here trying to get bills to come to the floor. So what is your point?

Pelosi can do nothing to stop Obama from going down the drain. He did that all by himself.

Who are the uncommitted Super Delegates?

oh

my black brutha is pissed

oh my god

r we racist??

oh no

u r that 17 yr old obama girl fan ,

sorry

hey GOT KOOLAID???

Excellent Larry: brilliant analysis and spot on.

Talking about NARAL; Keenan made an additional outrageous comment. How insulting can this woman be?!

Given the “massive healing” needed to keep Clinton’s staunchest women supporters in the fold should Obama become the nominee, Conlin said, the endorsement was like “throwing a flaming spear into a tinderbox of raw emotion.”

The Obama endorsement is not the first controversy Keenan has faced as president of NARAL. In 2005, her group withdrew an ad accusing then-Supreme Court nominee John Roberts of “supporting violent fringe groups and a convicted bomber” following protests from abortions rights supporters and opponents alike. At the time, Keenan said the ad had become “a distraction from the serious discussion” the group hoped to have with the American public.

In response to the current controversy, Keenan says people will get over their “broken hearts.”

“At the end of the day, the heart heals and you get on with the business of politics and what’s doing right by the country,” she said. “It’s the old Montana saying: You dust yourself off, and you get back in the saddle.”

(emphasis mine; full article in Politico)

I am outraged at NARAL’s travesty.

Two points for Keenan: shove your patronizing and demeaning “broken hearts” comment
up your —- We support HRC b/c of her head: her brillant mind, policy savvy and qualifications. Heart has nothing to do with it: those are the Obama supporters, you got confused.
(2) How can you support Obama whose “heart” was indeed with John Roberts: didn’t you feel strongly enogh against Roberts that
you run a strong ad against him ? Your support of Obama and Obama’s “heart” regarding SCOTUS do not jibe.

As I said he can’t think outside his little box.

Keep a stiff upper lip! Make some calls for Hillary, she even pays the phone bill.

.
Hillary speaks to an ecstatic crowd Thursday May 15, 2008

After her talk, she mixes with the crowd

She is as ecstatically happy to be here with us tonight as we were to be with her tonight

Hillary is the candidate for 2008!
Thursday evening a friend of mine who is active in the Hillary Clinton Campaign invited me to attend a cocktail party welcoming Hillary back to Los Angeles.

Needless to day it was very exciting seeing her again, I had the pleasure of listening to Senator Clinton when she spoke in February at Cal State L.A.

Tonight Senator Clinton discussed the electoral college vote and how she was poised to win that vote count against Senator McCain. Senator Clinton also discussed her excitement on competing in the upcoming primaries in Kentucky and Oregon.

The good Senator also stressed how the boys running for President have always been able to go to the convention and why not a girl. Which leads me to believe that Senator Clinton may very well be taking this election to the convention this August in Denver.

The crowd was ecstatic when Senator Clinton said the she would go to the convention.

My feelings on tonight was joy to see Senator Clinton determined to pursue this election to the end. To witness a strong and able woman competing in a world that has always been dominated by men. Finally, a woman is determined to break through the glass ceiling. If anyone will ever become our first Madame President, it will be Hillary Clinton.
http://WWW.dbourdeau.newsvine.com/_news/2008/05/16/1492105-an-evening-with-hillary-

ChrisXP: you were aboslutely right! It was the link; without it my post showed up (above) instanteneously.
Thanks again.

You forgot Latinos. The Obama nation doesn’t care for us either.

Hillary won’t compromise. She knows what is at stake. Listen to this.

DID YOU SAY ONE??

U MEAN THE 1 THAT SHE DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR

WHILE OBAMA WAS PAYING ALL OF THEM FROM DONATIONS OF LOOSERS LIKE U

AND HEY

DID U GET THAT E-MAIL OF EDWARDS NOW BEGGING FOR MONEY

HEY EBDORSEMENTS DON,T COME EASY I GUESS –AT LEAST FOR OBAMA

KEEP ON DONATING ,UR CANDIDATE NEEDS TO BUY MORE SUPERDELEGATES

NEW POLITICE–DID I HEAR THAT SOMEHWRE ???

No, I don’t agree with you. Gore may have issues with the Clintons but, in my view, he’s too intelligent to put himself in the middle of this fight. Also, he may have some vestiges of loyalty since, as I said before, he was part of the Clinton-Gore administration. Why would he want to repudiate that? And he must know that if he endorsed Obama it would be a terrible blow to the Clinton campaign. Essentially, he doesn’t have a dog in this fight, so why should he get involved?

I think that he will wait until the convention, when he has to get involved, and not before.

Wouldn’t it be so nice if Oregon voters came out and smacked Obama in the face with voting him down?

If that happens, I’m going to celebrate. Cynical, skeptical and cranky me would paint the town red.

I’ll take mom out with me too, since she just loves Hillary. More the merrier. Better if Teddy croaks, too (crass, but I despise that guy. Piss on his grave despise).

Come on Oregan, defy convention, and give the DNC a lesson of who actually runs the party!

Being a troll doesn’t help Hillary, either.

People see things differently from you, and in doing so, their viewpoints aren’t invalid. Just different than your own.

What’s important is Hillary can attract all types to vote for her. So don’t do the Obamatic thing and shoo them away.

If Obama gets the nod after receiving less votes, he will be as illegitimate as president Bush in Florida in 2000.

Vulgarity will carry real far in life (cyn.)
You must be pubescent …

I AM SORRY

YES LATINOS 42 MILLION OF THEM

Many of these Hillary supporters are women who firmly believe that they have been shafted by Obama and his supporters throughout the campaign. They maintain that the Obama campaign, many pro-Obama news organizations, along with many of his supporters, have overtly been sexist toward them and their candidate.

Other Hillary supporters say that Obama has run an unfair, race-baiting, nasty campaign against their candidate, and say the evidence for this charge is clear. One of their chief complaints revolves around Obama’s refusal to work out a solution to seat both Michigan and Florida delegates, or even allow a re-vote by the two states so that every vote can count.
http://WWW.777denny.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/hillary-clinton-supporters-are-mad-as-heck-and-are-refusing-to-fall-quietly-in-line-behind-obama/#comment-12489

To bad your name isn’t “Blow Job”. I hear that Obama prefers it, especially males who bring coke; which by the looks of too expensive for you, but Obamy seems to prefer crack(ed) rocks, too.

=:o

Oregon’s voice is leaning Hillary! kgw news channel 8

Note to viewer – BHO was given the same invitation and turned it down. So now he’s dissing Oregon as well? Or only the venues Hillary attends??? What a chump.

I’m copying this comment from TM
Our opponent is arrogant and dismissive of the voters in Kentucky. Kentucky, let’s give Hillary a big win. I guess he also doesn’t know that Illinois borders Kentucky while Arkansas does not. Read this article from the Lexington Herald:

Obama blames Fox News, e-mail for likely loss in Kentucky

By Ryan Alessi | Lexington Herald-Leader
LEXINGTON, Ky. — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, facing a likely defeat in next Tuesday’s primary election, won’t travel to Kentucky before the voting, but said he hopes to have much more time to win over Kentucky voters before the November general election.

He also blamed Fox News for disseminating “rumors” about him and said that and e-mails filled with misinformation that have been “systematically” dispersed have hurt him in Kentucky.

“When we’re able to campaign in a place like Iowa for several months and I can visit and talk to people individually, I do very well. That’s harder to do at this stage in the campaign,” Obama said in a brief telephone interview Friday. “And once we get past the primary, we’ll ble to focus more on those states where we need to make sure people know my track record.”

In contrast, Obama’s rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, will make five stops in Kentucky over the weekend, including appearances at two university campuses.
…

Obama conceded that he has a steep challenge to get his message and background to voters in states such as Kentucky — where he trails Sen. Hillary Clinton by 27 points, according to a poll published earlier this week — and West Virginia, where voters chose Clinton over Obama by 40 points on Tuesday.

“What it says is that I’m not very well known in that part of the country,” Obama said. “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.”

Only a moron would want to tick her off.

Not if she’s in office anymore. Ask Daschle about it.

Tick the “little people” off, and they tick someone else on the ballot.

IF THE HILLBUZ ESTIMATE ENDS UP BEING 100% ACCURATE, HILLARY WINS THE POPULAR VOTE INCLUDING FLORIDA BUT LEAVING OUT MICHIGAN!!!!!!! PERIOD!

real clear politics numbers -

current popular vote with Florida – Obama + 298,838

Hillbuz estimate – Hillary will net + 471,863

popular vote with RCP estimate of caucuses and Florida – Obama + 409,060

Hillbuz estimate – Hillary will net + 471,863

Hillary Wins!

This number is perfectly legit, as the non-seating of the Michichigan and Florida delegates means nothing when it comes to the popular vote, and this number does not include Michigan’s popular vote numbers to be “fair” to Obama since he was not on the ballot.

Furthermore, neither candidate wins the delegate race without the ofical votes of the superdelegates at the convention – endorsments mean litte now.

The popular vote number will be shouted loud and clear by Hillary’s campaign.

Lets also not forget that the superdelegates should be following their own districts, which would would put Hillary ahead.

I want to hear Al Gore explain why he would be supporting someone who did not actually win the popular vote if that should occur.

All I said was “Your argument makes no sense at all.”

If you want to expend energy on them feel free.

Larry why is there silence from the Hillary team about this????????? I wrote about this on Hillary’s web site to the DNC and got a nice note back today from her campaign Mgr..but why has Hillary’s team been silent about the injustice and disenfranchisement of Florida Voters and Michigan Voters and not the other states that broke the rules?

Why were only Florida and Michigan sanctioned by the DNC ?????
WHY ARE ONLY OUR VOTES IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN VOTES BEING DISENFRANCHIZED BY OBAMA , HOWARD DEAN AND DONNA BRAZILE???????

at a South Carolina primary held no earlier than January 29.
The Iowa caucuses were held on January 3
The Nevada contest was held when it was supposed to on January 19
The New Hampshire primary was held January 8
The South Carolina primary was held on January 26

I BELIEVE IF THE VOTES IN FLORIDA ARE CUT IN HALF OR NOT COUNTED ..THE SANCTIONS SHOULD BE CARRIED OUT FOR ALL STATES THAT BROKE THE RULES..AND THE VOTERS IN THE ABOVE STATES AS WELL SHOULD HAVE THE SAME SANCTIONS APPLIED TO THEM..

after all… THE BILL THAT THE REPUBLICANS AMENDED TO ATTACH THE DATE CHANGE OF THE PRIMARY ON..WAS THE VERY BILL THAT BANNED DRE VOTING MACHINES IN 15 OF THE LARGEST COUNTIES IN FLORIDA AS WELL AS MANDATING VOTER VERIFIED PAPER BALLOTS.

none of the above mentioned states accomplished that for the 2008 election..in fact Many still are using diebold voting machines..the most crooked voting there can be in this nation!

fly

Obama and his supporters have tried every gambit, play, tactic, and strategem to prevent [Hillary's popular vote majority] and to obscure and distract the Democratic voters from clearly seeing what’s obviously happening–a triumph of democracy.

I’m afraid that calling in the U.N. is a strategem by Barack Obama’s big money backers to stop Democracy in its tracks. Like the John Edwards move, it stinks to high heaven. Please forgive the repost – forewarned about these kinds of shenanigans is forearmed.

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U.N. racism investigator to visit U.S. from Monday
Fri May 16, 2008 10:52am EDT

GENEVA, May 16 (Reuters) – A special U.N. human rights investigator will visit the United States this month to probe racism, an issue that has forced its way into the race to secure the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination.

The United Nations said Doudou Diene would meet federal and local officials, as well as lawmakers and judicial authorities during the May 19-June 6 visit.

“The special rapporteur will…gather first-hand information on issues related to racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance,” a U.N. statement said on Friday.

His three-week visit, at U.S. government invitation, will cover eight cities — Washington D.C., New York, Chicago, Omaha, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Miami and San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Race has become a central issue in the U.S. election cycle because Sen. Barack Obama, the frontrunner in the battle for the Democratic nomination battle, stands to become the country’s first African American president.

His campaign has increased turnout among black voters but has also turned off some white voters in a country with a history of slavery and racial segregation.

Diene, a Senegalese lawyer who has served in the independent post since 2002, will report his findings to the U.N. Human Rights Council next year.

http://tinyurl.com/6h6lsq

To call others who don’t vote for your candidate “racist” is voter intimidation, pure and simple.

And that’s exactly what the Obama campaign has been practicing since the beginning of this campaign.

I disagree. It is a distinct possibility.

HEY
THX FOR THE LINK

obama is a snob

what the hell he thinks he is

Gotham City (America) is what you get when Batman (Looney Clooney) goes over to the dark side with the Joker (Nancy with the surgically altered eyes).

Obama Blames Fox News For His Anticipated Loss In Kentucky

Barack Obama tries to lay blame on the Fox News Channel for his woes in the upcoming Kentucky Primary. It seems that every time he has a new tarbaby such as his upcoming loss in Kentucky Obama finds a new whipping boy. This time the dreaded Fox News is to blame for his problems.
http://www.stuckon-stupid.com/2008/05/17/obama-blames-fox-news-for-anticipated-loss-in-kentucky/

Pardon me for pimping my own blog here but I just wrote this and would love a few comments…thank you:

I’m Heartened…Hillary Has Hope

That is so funny! He is the ultimate blame shifter. And it only makes him look bad.

Kelly points out that FDR never spoke to the head of Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler; the head of fascist Italy, Benito Mussolini, or the head of militarist Japan, Hideki Tojo. The president’s only policy, Kelly points out, “was unconditional surrender.”

The result was world war; millions dead; genocide; rise in Communism/Marxism/Socialism; Germany divided; Berlin airlift, and a host of other “troubles”.

Was it worth it?

I don’t believe so, much like the majority of Americans upto Pearl Harbor (and folks can agree or disagree that FDR allowed that to happen, to finally get what he wanted, out of the congressional ordered neutrality, he tiptoed around with arms shipments to the UK). FDR at times makes Bush seem like JFK — at least he didn’t try to pack the Supreme Court with EXTRA judges).

War is the final option of last resort.

Is Oregon a caucus or direct primary state?

There is no democracy without counting every vote.

must we in Florida and Michigan paint our fingers purple?????????

Even the people of Iraq got their votes counted..

Didn’t we all sit in horror as the good people of Mexico had votes thrown out?

Didn’t Cater go to Venezuela to count the votes?

Where is Carter now ? supporting the man who stole my vote!

There is no democracy without counting the vote of each and every citizen who goes to vote…

and there can be no democratic party unless they count my vote!

and count it in full..i did not cast a 1/2 vote!!!!!!!!

Obama, Howard Dean and Donna Brazile have stolen my vote..there are no other words for it folks..

and since i was old enough to vote ..i have never missed a vote..ever..even when i lived out of the country …and i am 56 yr old.

If these Obamabots think they have to steal votes to win and people continue to support this..they will get what they deserve..but it will not be a democracy they have won..they will have won a state that does not even equate to a democracy…god help them.

fly..a 2004 elected Delegate for the State of Florida.

Thanks Larry Johnson for your great articles supporting Hillary. I am so concerned about how Hillary has been discounted by the stupid MSM who will accept and promote a black man that has no tract record except one of corrupt associates, a thin record in the Chicago State Legislature, A maniacal pastor who even now himself has denounced Obama too, a bitter mean wife who says all kinds of really crazy stuff and all of these terrorist friends and associates plus varying opinions on meeting with foreign goverments depending on what day it is and not to mention his elitist views of ordinary people who are god fearing and love and appreciate the 2nd amendment.
There is also this really very crazy man Larry Sinclair who says he had a sexual relationship with Obama and did coke with him in 1999. This man Sinclair is crazy and has a lot of really stupid supporters too but there just might be something there, I read that Sinclair blog from time to time and mind you those people are very strange on that blog but they do believe this Sinclair guy. Here’s hoping that he might get something out there, though it looks mighty doubtful to me.
Reverend James Manning, a pastor from Harlem of the Atlah church does have credibility and he says Obama and Reverend Wright were lovers for year and that both are Homos. Manning has been on Hannity and Colmes both TV and radio, though some are skeptical I do believe Pastor Manning. Even Imus has put Pastor Mannings Video on his program though not endorsing it. Jeff Rense has done 5 interviews with Sinclair as well as interviewed Pastor Manning on his radio show. Manning is very credible, though Sinclair leaves a lot of doubt.

Please continue to pursue finding this “whitey” tape by Michelle Obama. We do have to stop Obama, I am very worried about him. One thing I do know is Southern males will NOT vote for him, never a Negro down here in the south, that’s is just the way it is now and the way it will be probably forever, Obama supporters think they could turn the tide in Arkansas, not a chance, not Tennessee, nor Oklahoma, nor MO nor most of the other states except for MS, and ALA where there are so many blacks.

not to mention his STATE went for Hillary as well and this is the wife of HIS PRESIDENT he was lucky enough to get the VP spot!!

I wish some of these guys would show even a SMIGE of loyalty to someone who has been good to them

and not turn into obvious traitors like Richardson

You appear very immature, and actually not very bright, since the only way you can make your point if through foul mouth tirades.

Take your silly ass back to Huff Post.

Yeah, posted the same snippet you highlighted yesterday. The arrogance of power brokers is amazing. They just see power, jobs and money — and they’ll keep the issues hanging for decades, because if it was settled tomorrow, they’ll be out of jobs.

Forget the military-industrial-complex. Remember the “no issues are resolved-as long as we have jobs”.

You wouldn’t know what was good for the country if it bit you in the ASS. Speaking of what’s good for the country,why is Obama acting like he already won and underminding the voters in the remaining states.
Also why is he so afraid to debate with Sen. Clinton
could it be because he never knows what he talking
about and because he’s an embarrassment to himself and to the democratic party.

we need to fix these OBAMABOTS

ON MYDD TOO

funny wasn’t it Obama that went on Fox a couple weeks ago..so nowwwwwwwww they are the boogey man to him..oh pleaseeee these assholes get more desparate by the day!

fly

will report his findings to the U.N. Human Rights Council next year.

All this does is make Obama look pathetic and hypocritical. And if that investigator really looks into this we all know who would have trouble and it is not Hillary.

And the findings are meaningless to this election since they are next year.

With all that is going on its a minor news blip and only will inflame conservatives opposed to the UN and give Hillary a wider margin of victory in KY. The people see the wolf crying.

If you post that information around put it in more context please. And yes it stinks. It has fingerprints all over it.

EVERYONE

SAY IT LOUDER

BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA IS A LOSERRRRRRRRRRR

LOSERRRRRRRRRR
LOSERRRRRRRRRR

LOSERRRRRRRRRR
LOSERRRRRRRRRR

LOSERRRRRRRRRR
LOSERRRRRRRRRR

LOSERRRRRRRRRR
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My feelings on tonight was joy to see Senator Clinton determined to pursue this election to the end.

Hey, share her with the rest of us!!!! She needs to get down to GA and mix and mingle with us, too!!!!

:pouts:

If you post that information around put it in more context please.

I’m open to suggestions, but I’m not sure what you mean. Prefacing the story with the following wasn’t enough context?

Obama and his supporters have tried every gambit, play, tactic, and strategem to prevent [Hillary’s popular vote majority] and to obscure and distract the Democratic voters from clearly seeing what’s obviously happening–a triumph of democracy.

I’m afraid that calling in the U.N. is a strategem by Barack Obama’s big money backers to stop Democracy in its tracks. Like the John Edwards move, it stinks to high heaven. Please forgive the repost – forewarned about these kinds of shenanigans is forearmed.

but why has Hillary’s team been silent about the injustice and disenfranchisement of Florida Voters and Michigan Voters and not the other states that broke the rules?

Maybe they don’t need to stir up anything else? They know something good we don’t know yet?

Why am I not surprised that you are HRC supporter? You are a shining example of inbreeding gone bad… *smh in disgust*

Larry, what’s going on with you?
It was Mark Penn, chief strategist for Hillary Clinton that lost this election for your Lady. The guy did not read the rule book. His imcompetance is staggering. Hillary was very, very poorly served by the people she hired.

“Mark Penn confidently predicted that an early win in California would put her over the top because she would pick up all the state’s 370 delegates. It sounded smart, but as every high school civics student now knows, Penn was wrong: Democrats, unlike the Republicans, apportion their delegates according to vote totals, rather than allowing any state to award them winner-take-all. Sitting nearby, veteran Democratic insider Harold M. Ickes, who had helped write those rules, was horrified — and let Penn know it. “How can it possibly be,” Ickes asked, “that the much vaunted chief strategist doesn’t understand proportional allocation?” And yet the strategy remained the same, with the campaign making its bet on big-state victories.”

Obama won the money game by understanding the power of the net. He has a huge base of small donors that give $20-$50 a month.

Hillary ran an out dated and grossly misinformed campaign. it might cost us in 2008 because it allowed Obama to get a foot hold. That’s not due to the evils of Obama. Obama people read the rule book and had a plan in place for after super tueday. Hillary did not. That is her campaigns failure, Larry.

After the race is over Hillary will support Obama. What will that make her. in bed with the enemy?
Will you then rip her apart like you do Obama?

Obama will win the popular vote. You got to count all the votes. that’s votes in caucus’s as well as the majority of votes in the ‘blank spot’ in the michigan primary. If you do that, count all the votes… Obama still leads and will keep the lead.
You can twist logic all you want but the numbers stand. When you count all the votes.. Obama wins.

No problemo.

It’s a good precaution, as botters tend to post trashy links, let alone whatelse havoc they can create (Tiny URLs also hide the destination of links, I don’t click them, either).

never a Negro down here in the south

r u kiddin me?

that just made me a bit queeezy
when I read shit like that I question if I really belong here or not

obamalamadingdong is fuckincoward spelled sideways.

but then I read
Comment by Down With Repugs! | 2008-05-17 15:03:08

as it lumps us all together
and realize they BOTH are hideous people

probably TROLLS

probably the SAME person

hello sybil is that you?

lol

Why shouldn’t the popular vote in Michigan count? The only reason Obama removed his name from the ballot was because he was so far behind in the polls he needed to have an argument for discounting the way the state voted. Maybe that will play in the convention and he’ll manipulate his way into a nomination he has not earned, but the backlash in November won’t be pretty. This is why McCain leads Obama in Florida by 9 points. Anyone keeping an eye on the polls and the electoral college map knows that the Dems are doing what we do best: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Isn’t that the truth?

Wow! Hillary is leading the Townhall even in Portland????

I thought Oregan is a Far-Left bastion, that would just jump all over Obama.

Maybe those loggers are voting their wallets, instead??!!

W00t!

Dou Dou? Sounds about right. Of course you know what he’ll conclude? Poor little Obama. What a joke. Kick that race-baiting fake out of the race and the U.S. senate, how did he ever get in in the first place. The UN is a joke and you can bet that just like Israel, always scolding them when they have to use force to stop the daily bombardment by the Palestinians and Hamas, they’ll stand behind Obama (terrorist lover) and claim he’s being wronged. I don’t really care what Dou Dou says. Hillary Clinton is our future president.

I should have been more clear. Write up an analysis using what you have with MORE context, like:

The findings are irrelevant since they are next year. Meaning, if Obama is behind this it is just so he can cry racism wolf. Point out this only further inflames an electorate who is already tired of being called racists. It also inflames conservatives who tend to be against the UN, etc.

That’s what I am talking about.

Dawnelle, that was just a really weird post all-around. I have no idea where that person is coming from. You definitely belong here. I don’t believe I’ve ever read a post like that one here, before.

He also blamed Fox News for disseminating “rumors” about him and said that and e-mails filled with misinformation that have been “systematically” dispersed have hurt him in Kentucky.

Quick, everybody did you get the memo? Everybody, even the GOP, is after Obama due to him being Black!!

Not that he’s a total nub to politics.

What a luzer.

Finally, someone with some sense! Sometimes we don’t get to have it our way, but if those of us who call ourselves Democrats really ARE Democrats, we would get behind whichever person is our nominee. Too much is at stake to allow McBush to get into the White House! The very thought that he may be able to nominate two or three Supreme Court judges is enough to do it for me!

How do we know Southern Lady is not you? She certainly does not represent all of my views or those of most Hillary supporters I know.

probably the SAME person

I agree.

ACTUALLY

ITS ONE OF YOU

TRYING TO MAKE US LOOK BAD

HMMMMMMMM

WON,T WORK

Nope, not the same person

But if the shoe fits… *shrugging* I’m just sayin’…

I might also add that Obama will not have the magic pledged delegate number when it’s is over either… he will only lead in that category! So, I don’t see where he’s in better shape if Hillary is leading in Popular Votes in the end… SD votes don’t technically count until the Convention because they can change at any point before…(as we’ve seen) So, I think all this commotion is just Obama, his surrogates, et al in some sort of last ditch attempt to burn the bridges before HIllary crosses them. If he were really the true leader he wouldn’t be in such a hurry to close things out before the end of the Primaries… it’s all psychological warfare on his part and I wouldn’t pay too much attention to it. Frankly, it’s really tragic behavior! LOL

Nice tag team of the same person most likely. You gave yourself away with the Southern Lady thing above and now this.

and not turn into obvious traitors like Richardson

Andy Jackson introduced the spoils system to American politics. So Richardson et al, may feel a long standing political burn, as well.

But got to admit: Gore and Richardson look better in beards. Covers up the puffiness of that middle age spread.

Key word here “nominate.” A Senate that is likely to be even more Democratic than it already is will have to approve those nominees. So give up the ill-conceived talking points; no one is buying it.

Maybe the UN folks are coming to check out the racism being practiced by the Obama campaign against white people. This seems more reasonable and we have plenty of examples. Especially if that Michelle tape ever surfaces…but Wright’s rants are undoubtedly more than sufficient.

Larry, Im going to tell you the dirty little secret part 3. it’s the DNC vs DLC. I had the conversation with some very well placed people in the BO camp and they actually told me that they had to discredit Bill Clinton to make a place for BO. They are very resentful of the DLC.
Has any one noted that Harold Ford, Jr. has not been out in front for BO? Wonder Why? Maybe because he is Chair of the DLC. Howard Dean, hates the organization that Clinton founded. Enough said.

I think you’re out of your mind if you think I’m going to back ANY candidate just based on Party affiliation! That’s the most moronic thing anyone can do! … look at the people it has gotten us as leaders thinking like that! I’m a life long Democrat that voted GOP once in 1980. I couldn’t stomach Carter… now 2008, I can’t stomach Obama so I won’t vote for him.

OBAMA= National Security Threat to the USA

Ok, go vote for McBush then… I bet you voted for Dubya, too

U.N. racism investigator to visit U.S. from Monday

Every conservative would have a field day with the UN interceding on US policies. }:>

Well done, Larry. I have come to really look forward to the analytical pieces here on NQ. This is become my go-to blog every day… well.. a couple times a day. Okay, like all the time!

Oh.. and you feel more comfortable with Obama appointing Supreme Court Justices? Have you taken a look at those he calls his friends?

I would stand behind a qualified competent Democratic candidate that loved our country and stood up for the American People and Dream, with Democratic Principles. Unfortunately if the nominee is Not Hillary… we will be running Obama and he doesn’t meet the minimum threshold of competence to run this country.

McCain does and I feel safer with him as my President over Obama any day of the week!

How dare you challenge my status of a Democrat! I have been a true blue life long Democrat who voted only one time for a Republican Governor.

First and fore most I am an American born with the right to exercise my vote. And until Obama came along…. the Democrat party stood with the American People and their right to vote! How dare Obama put his personal ambition in front of the voters voice in MI and FL where he could have joined in to support a revote!

This is a clear indicator of the type of leader he would be! Not a leader of the free world!

Hillary or McCain for President. The SuperDelegates will decide.

Oh and if makes you feel any better, I will change my party …. does that make it all better!

I agree ScottVA

Hillary or McCain for President.

Thanks for the tidbit, Pam. The whole DLC thing crossed my mind the other day and I wasn’t sure how it was playing out right now. I’m going to have to do some googling on that.

thanks.

must we in Florida and Michigan paint our fingers purple?????????

Even the people of Iraq got their votes counted..

Hmmmmm. Hillary is having a T-Shirt contest, and this might make her MI+FL delegate count issue, REALLY hit home.

Something like: “Even in Iraq, votes count”

That would be a very poignant slogan as well. Ties many lose ends together — anti-war; human rights; Iraq.

Dawnelle…What you could be hearing is old southern cracker fear of reprisal….Now this is just what it is old fear….Obamas campaign has tapped into it and exploited it….It is not about racism in terms of cracker racial superiority….It just sounds like Fear….Now ( Yankee AA’s ) are expert at exploiting this too amongst their own congregations….Things have changed in the South and yet….It is not fast enough…Where I live almost all the city council seats and the school board offices are held by AA’s and Hispanics….This is in Texas…That is change….But if I ask a Yankee we are still in the Civil War…See what I mean…
Can you see how Obama and Wright exploit the fear….The Fear is on both sides too….Most AA’s from the South do not want this shit either they see it for what it is….Most of us want to keep working together…
** I would gladly vote for any Qualiied AA or other Minority **
and locally I have…..

Are you going for a record on misinformation here?

“Obama won the money game by understanding the power of the net. He has a huge base of small donors that give $20-$50 a month.” No, he won the money game by courting wealthy donors, like those to whom he gave his infamous “clinging to guns and religion” speech.

“Obama will win the popular vote. You got to count all the votes. that’s votes in caucus’s as well as the majority of votes in the ‘blank spot’ in the michigan primary. If you do that, count all the votes… Obama still leads and will keep the lead.” Again wrong! You cannot magically assign uncommitted to Obama. Caucuses already count dispite their incredibly unrepresentative results (see Texas). Obama and Clinton are virtually tied but Puerto Rico will put Clinton far ahead.

I am a Democrat with sense…..and will vote for McCain….he is safer for our country.

We have NO IDEA who Obama really is and the type of appointees he would make. Look at his closest allies.

He voted PRESENT on difficult abortion issues in his home state.

What does he stand for? Look at his actions and results… not his rhetoric.

You can’t just vote Democrat because he has a D after his name.

I don’t think Hillary could go for the idea even though it is true. But someone outside the campaign sure could go for the idea.

Why am I not surprised that you are HRC supporter? You are a shining example of inbreeding gone bad… *smh in disgust*

Do you plan to riot if Hillary is the nominee? I like to load up on “essentials” if that’s the plan. Rabid dogs don’t deserve to live, ya know?

Yeah Marion Barry is a classic case of that and so is cold cash Jefferson.

Overall the Democrats have a lousy record when it comes to dealing with losers.

WAIT! After the appalling amounts of sexism–Citizens United Not Timid, Nutcrackers, “sweetie” “dry pussy and neck-fold set”– that have infected this campaign, the U.N. is investigating RACISM?!?!?! WTF?

Obama didn’t run his campaign nor did he pick the people to run his campaign. He was tapped on the shoulder .. and is merely the bobble head!

We have no idea who is really pulling the strings or all involved in pulling the strings …. and that is the scary part.

I appreciate your input. Where I’ve posted it already, those are exactly the kind of comments people are making.

No, rioting’s not my style. But if HRC was the nominee, I would support her. Thankfully, we all know a snowball has a greater chance in hell.

I hate to break some of your spirits, but Obama is going to win Puerto Rico — I’ve seen a new poll and he’s up 52 to 48.

So, sadly for Hillary supporters, you can add Florida and Michigan (which will get added), and she’s still going to be behind in the popular vote; and in every other metric.

All in all, guys, just get behind Obama. The last thing we want is a third term for George Bush in John McCain.

:>))))))

Your welcome. Write up a summary of these points and include it with your posting.

The delegates assigned in Caucuses are out of proportion for the number of delegates assigned in primary with Millions of voters. The voice of a few is a caucus were given more weight that the voice of many in a primary.

It is fact that many caucuses were unruly, undemocratic, chaotic and Obama supporters applied aggressive tactics. Given a virtual tie between the two nominees ….. should a lead in delegates, a man made system, weigh more then popular votes?

..

Where did you find that?

There have been so many defections and endorsements without valid justification in this race that it wouldn’t surprise me if Gore came out to endorse Obama. Many times I feel for Hillary as it seems everytime she turns around someone else jumps on the Obama wagon.

I guess I missed your comment. Sorry for the repetition.

But “broken hearts” ? What does she think this is ? A high school comptetition for cheerleader? Who does Keenan think we are? She is a moron.

From now on it’ll be: NARAL? what that?

Dawnelle…What you could be hearing is old southern cracker fear of reprisal

Nope, because I live in the home city and county where the Crackers started and held power (you know Dems, too?) — they don’t talk like that, anyway.

No one is called “negro” in these parts, even back then. A clue for you, is to look at all those segregation signs of how Blacks were referred too (and the elderly still call them it, both Black and White).

Ignorance on both sides.

It’s a long time till August though, isn’t it.

Hi Trolls,
I keep hearing you guys say that Clinton will do anything to win that she’s throwing the kitchen sink at Obama, she’s destroying the party. Could you let me know what she is doing other than staying in the race and winning.

You guys just keep repeating taking points, so would one of you please list a few things she has actually done that would be considered “anything to win”.
Thanks

Down With Repugs?

I guess this means Obama can add Republicans to the growing list if people he doesn’t need votes from to win the White House.

We at No Quarter welcome Republicans. Hillary has worked with them and our country must unite to face the challenges ahead.

Stupid FOX, telling the truth about Barama!

[He also] said that that and e-mails filled with misinformation that have been “systematically” dispersed have hurt him in Kentucky.

That would be truth-filled emails sent out by us.

“When we’re able to campaign in a place like Iowa for several months and I can visit and talk to people individually, I do very well.”

I’ve worked with sociopaths before, and they are definitely charmers. I’m talking about guys that have murdered people or planned to. Charm the socks right off of you, while sizing you up for a coffin. It’s nothing to brag about, Gutter Ball.

Democrats, unlike the Republicans, apportion their delegates according to vote totals, rather than allowing any state to award them winner-take-all.

And done to ensure a Black candidate a chance to win. So in other words, the voters really don’t get what they really wanted.

But thank God, the GE IS winner take all.

Obamy, will be history then.

“Where did you find that?”

It’s from a Spanish site, the same one that had Hillary up 50% to 37% a little over a month ago:

http://www.adendi.com/

I guess they’ve come to the realization that Hillary can’t win and are voting for Obama. Or they’re like Obama Girl and have suddenly got a crush on Obama.

*crickets*

testing

clickable link

It disappears if you don’t keave a space after the = or get other aspects of the code correct.

Will this pass the filter?

Let us see.

I had the conversation with some very well placed people in the BO camp and they actually told me that they had to discredit Bill Clinton to make a place for BO. They are very resentful of the DLC.

Nothing new. The Far-Left dislikes the DLC, as it favors moderate politics, and who the Clintons aligned — to Teddy’s dismay.

The Far-Left attacks any Dem moderate. From Carter to the Clintons. So this is just the rehash of earlier bad blood.

Fair warning: It helped give Reagan the presidency, too.

It’s from a Spanish site, the same one that had Hillary up 50% to 37% a little over a month ago:

http://www.adendi.com/

I guess they’ve come to the realization that Hillary can’t win and are voting for Obama. Or they’re like Obama Girl and have suddenly got a crush on Obama.

Is Obama an Appeaser? His anger indicates that he is.

CHRIS…You don’t know shit YANKEE….QUIT ACTING LIKE YOU DO !

Like you’re surprised answering to someone with a nick of “Vince Foster”?

Not even good at hiding it, huh?

Enquirer – this week

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I was just at the supermarket and of course couldn’t resist reading the Enquirer while in the checkout. Interesting article that a REpublican operative has offered 10 million to a “Mikey” who was mentioned in Obama’s book as his drug source. It is hoped that Mikey can provide additional info on Obama’s drug use and possibly using heroin.

This might be OT but I just went to this Pro-McCain site about “Hillary Clinton Supporters Are Mad As Heck and Are Refusing To Fall Quietly in Line Behind Obama”

Even though it’s a Pro-McCain site; it emphasizes the behavior toward Hillary Supporters…

http://777denny.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/hillary-clinton-supporters-are-mad-as-heck-and-are-refusing-to-fall-quietly-in-line-behind-obama/

Coming from you, repub, it doesn’t mean a thing.

The track record here isn’t too great, showing a lack of ability.

I mean, all the bells and whistles, and your “trolls” develop a PR system around codependency.

Unintentionally.

Showcasing your own.

Brilliant, fucking brilliant.

Maybe you should have opened a book, to learn to think critically, but you didn’t explaining why you’re always second and third tier, you just did what you know, weak co dependency.

But how will it look to the neighbors?

Excellent article. I especially liked:

Why are so many people against Obama? It is not his race, believe me. It is his arrogance, his corruption, his scary cult-like following, and his lack of experience that all leads to one frightening prospect.

How magnanimous of you… *rolling my eyes* Save the lecture, sweetie. It’s all too apparent who BHO will need to win the White House, and it starts with the crybabies who can’t have Hillary as the nominee. Turn that blind eye toward yourself and do a little introspection, will ya?

I’m no more a Yankee, than you can type properly.

Born and bred Georgian. Get used to it.

The very thought that he may be able to nominate two or three Supreme Court judges is enough to do it for me!

That is a false argument. You are either too young or don’t know what happened to Robert Bork.

Elect a Dem Congress and hold them accountable to do their jobs !!

The Pres. nominates; but it is in Congress’s power to confirm or reject. It is up to Congress.

Ah, and you should know that Obama wanted to confirm John Roberts !! That is where Obama’s heart was. It was only because of Pete Rouse and Obama’s aspirations to be President already in the fall of 2005 that he changed his mind: political reasons NOT ideological reasons or what he believed at heart. He liked Roberts very much.

It was the fall of 2005, and the celebrated young senator — still new to Capitol Hill but aware of his prospects for higher office — was thinking about voting to confirm John G. Roberts Jr. as chief justice. Talking with his aides, the Illinois Democrat expressed admiration for Roberts’s intellect. Besides, Obama said, if he were president he wouldn’t want his judicial nominees opposed simply on ideological grounds.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/26/AR2007082601446.html

I hope there are somw of the bloggers hired by Obama’s campaign on here today. Its time for a little history lesson about what happened in Florida during the 2000 presidential election. Its a review of the stopping of the Florida Recount as depicted in the upcoming movie “Recount”. But it is reviewed with the single Republican operative that was responsible for the actual fiasco. For those who expect Obama to be able to run a hope, change, unite campaign to join hands with the Republicans it will be an eye opener. Please, if you are one of the new, young voters to the political season, read this and watch the movie to understand why Hillary is prepared for a fight. In Florida, we got a paper trail for the next election. We had to pass it along with a bill attached by the Republicans that moved our Primary date. We are being punished because we decided that a clean election was more important than an election date. Without the paper trail, we wouldn’t have stood a chance when in 2006, a Representative to Congress was elected from Sarasota Florida even though 83,000 votes came up missing.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/columnists/beth_reinhard/story/536736.html

The Democrats never cease to amaze me. Between Barack and Donna Brazile, they could give two sh1ts about the party. So if they insist, with the backing of the “old politics” Obama is so disgusted with, and all these new found voters, they can take the party over the cliff McGovern style.

Just think about all those Obamabots screaming it was HRC’s fault he lost the GE if he gets that far.

You can tell this is a sick Obama supporter – this is their style. Not too bright, very twisted.

Nice try. We know who the racists are.

The Dem primary system is bizarre. It bears no resemblance to the ‘winner-take-all’ electoral college, so the weaker electoral college candidate is ahead under this cross-eyed bizarro system. The Dem system is not designed to produce a winner, it’s designed to avoid losing by landslides.

The party has disowned the Clintons, so they have disowned the two Clinton victories as well. Aside from Watergate, ‘Donna Brazille’ Democrats have not won the White House in modern history.

The Dems are not a Presidential party. They just run a nominee to keep up appearances. It looks to me like the DNC doesn’t care if they lose another election — they are so used to losing by now. But I don’t want to associate with the party of eternal losers anymore.

Just call me Judas… *snickering*

Yes. Telling themselves “I’ll just wait ten minutes and go post a reply under a different name.” Genius (snark)!

sweetie? After what Obama just called the reporter? Thanks for reminding us. And have fun winning the GE without Republicans and everyone else you and Obama have pissed off.

Factors for SDs to consider:

1. Delegate count threshold 2209;
2. Popular vote, one person, one vote (none of that ahead in delegate nonsense to pick a nominee);
3. All 50 states participate in the nomination process (not one less or one more, despite the additional non-existent 7 Obama states);
4. Electoral map and electability;
5. Primary versus Caucus wins (number of people voting in each; caucus irregularities);
6. Number of counties versus states won (number of states won is a silly argument and irrelevant because winning a state need not mean winning it in GE; can Obama win Idaho in GE? or can he win Florida after all his shenanigans?);
7. Democratic voters’ preference versus others’;
8. Big state and swing state wins;
9. Cook county, IL results accounting for 600K vote lead for Obama, the bulk of it from one county! Take that away, Clinton’s popular vote lead will become even more impressive;
10. Depth and breadth of diverse voter groups; swing groups.

That is a false argument. You are either too young or don’t know what happened to Robert Bork.

Ugh. Along with Ollie North, that was enough grandstanding in the 80s (still won’t forgive him for wearing the USMC uniform while addressing the Iran-Contra investigation committee).

But any judge elected is elected because of congressional confirmation. Roberts got it, because there was no disqualification for him to be chief justice, his law credentials are impeccable. Alito, wasn’t of the same caliber, which is sad, because I’d would rather the best of the best get on the bench — those who worked for and argued before SCOTUS and take a FIRM stand on PROTECTING the Constitution, not amending it to ruin it by radicals — and don’t take the judical branch as some popularity contest.

That’s aimed squarely at Obama if that’s the future route he plans to take.

As I recall, it was Obama who used his very own wonderful perfect judgement to remove his name from the michigan ballot. He was ordered or required to do so. Then he told the voters to vote “uncommitted” and yet, Hillary still won. Kind of like his California request for republicans to become “democrat for a day” so they could vote in the primaries. He is such a typical politician. I’d rather trust a politician whose flaws I know, rather than someone who claims to be flawless, who really isn’t. Whenand if BO announces himself King, err, the nominee, I will be officially switching my party affiliation from Democrat to Independent. Only the democrats, in a year where they should win by a landslide, put up a false nominee to assure a loss come November!

He wasn’t ordered or required to do so.

(correction)

Astroturf alert!!

I think you’re out of your mind if you think I’m going to back ANY candidate just based on Party affiliation!

Best point I’ve heard all day, and I’ve heard some great ones!

Bull Shit !….I do not buy it…..You sir are not a native !

Wow!! That was a powerful article!!! Thank you, Larry!!

Gee whiz, you HRC people have absolutely NO sense of humor! No wonder the Wall Street Journal just posted a piece called “Hillary Is Too Boring To Be President.” Fuck ‘em if they can’t take a joke! ROFL!!!

Politics is conspiracy.

Occam’s Razor is a rule of thumb. It is not cosmic law. Know when to apply it. Parsimony in politics or much of human behavior leads to conclusions more pleasing than accurate.

Excellent, Larry!

9. Cook county Obama lead about 429,000 — of about 600K total lead in IL, all from just one county! Take that away, Clinton’s lead will look even more impressive.

Florida is going to get counted, everyone knows that. This is a non-issue.

And politics is the only reason it’s being delayed until the end of the month.

If Hillary had gotten Florida and Michigan earlier on (like after Ohio and Texas) it would have given her even more momentum. Obama knew this, that’s why they dragged their feet on it, and that just pissed Hillary off.

Obama is a politician — Chicago style. He knows what the hell he’s doing, and Hillary knows that he knows what he’s doing, and she’s pissed that she can’t do anything about it.

And one last time: Michigan and Florida will be counted and seated… and Obama is still going to be the nominee.

So, Hillary people, lets get onboard now, have a nice cold glass of kool-aid, and lets beat McCain in November.

It’s the map not the math. Cokie and Steve Roberts have hit the nail on the head with this article.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0508/croberts.php3

Take this away, take that away, add this, add that… you guys will try ANYTHING!

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!

Which old witch?
The wicked witch!

Ding dong the wicked witch is dead!

Wake up you sleepyheads
Rub your eyes, get out of bed

Ding dong the wicked witch is dead!

POOR POOR HILLARY. CANT GET ANY SUPERDELEGATES EVEN AFTER BLOWING OBAMA OUT IN WEST VIRGINIA. LMAO!

Map not the math is a great strategy and a winning one. Listen to Hillary herself explain it.

Thanks for the link, Andy. I needed it for my files.

i thought Latinas for Obama were a myth like unicorns!!

maybe we’ll get our unity ponies next!!!

You need to read up how the process actually works. And you also need to realize the delegates can flip any time they want.

As more voters make their choice for the Democratic nomination, there is growing interest in the facts and myths about the race to reach 2209 delegate votes – the number required for a candidate to secure the nomination with Florida and Michigan included. The Obama campaign is claiming, without precedent or justification, that automatic delegates (commonly referred to as “super delegates”) should switch to Sen. Obama en masse based on arbitrary metrics, with the aim of tilting the delegate balance in his favor. The fact is: no automatic delegate is required to cast a vote on the basis of anything other than his or her best judgment about who is the most qualified to be president.

had to put this up after reading your post

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vgAdSMMdFmI

come sail away
styx

set to POTC Sparrow
:0)

I think the point was ..see we really are nice so lets unify IF obama is the Nom, because we need you Hillary supporters

If AG were to endorse BO it would be an indication of how much money it takes to buy a really high priced call girl.

Saw it and purchased it. We have to encourage people to bring out the information on this conman.

If it is true, it would do to his lack of judgment. Again.

Sorry to disappoint you folks on here but I am only one person posting here and definitely a Hillary supporter. You can’t defend all of Obama’s Associations nor his wife. The facts are out there.
Also how about his experience. Give me something that he has really done that is worthwhile. You can’t.
90% of African Americans have voted for Obama so who’s being racist. I am just saying White people in general except those such as Bill Ayers and that group “Eggheads” will not generally vote for an African American or a “Negro” whichever you want to call Obama. Either is legit when referring to the race, or perhaps we should call him a “half breed”
At any rate it is his supporters that are gearing up for the riots in Denver – There have a website called Operation ?, can’t recall what but heard about it on Limbaugh and have been to the web site.
I am an Independent, used to be a Democrat until this year but all of the left wing crazies are more than I can take and yes I will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. Most others that were moderate Dems will too.

Or it could be the
DNC

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iYhDPgRvSaU

SHIP OF FOOLS
ROBERT PLANT

That’s a very salient point. You just forgot one minor thing: they’re all flipping in BHO’s direction!

Gore or Biden maybe?

Thanks SandyR :-]

It took me by surprise at first until I read the NEXT commenter then figured it was just too bizarre. Not to mention the timing.

Hmmm…..I hope tha Big Al will wait until the convention…
If he endorses then…It’s just party shit….To be expected although in principle disappointing….If Before well then I will have to take my gore books and the movie and….aw shit !…I can’t very well send them to the landfill…I’ll ship them to GAZA.
( sigh )….DON’T MAKE ME DO IT AL !

It does not worry you that 60% of his overall vote lead comes from just that one county? When you look at the registered voters which includes repubs (about 1.2 million) and estimated turnout at 42-43%, the vote lead numbers don’t make sense. Chicago politics.. I will never vote for that kind of politics. We are better than that.

JES I AGREE….I’m prayin that principle trumps the Siren’s Call…

You are so right, I had a wake for the party in November, 1980 but we did not bury. People grow and their view change with time. But, the far left of our party will not give an inch. They will not stop until they win. I started off on the orange demon, but I could not relate and I’m not a republican.
I have two words, Ned Lemont! Do remember how hard they pushed him? All the way to the nomination, but not the general win.

When does the making nice start? I am like so freaking over you!

Ned Lemont!

That should be “it would go to his lack of judgment.” Again!

Fact is, there ARE no Rulez for superdelegates. They can do whatever they want. They were put in place thanks go George McGovern, to avoid a future catastrophe, also known as the Democrats having had their butt handed to them on a plate for putting up a candidate picked by kids and radicals–who were too far to the “left” for the majority of the party, which happens to be moderate, like it or not. Adults just don’t like kids and radicals to pick their presidents. They even had 19 year old delegates displacing party leaders. It was a real blast. I was around. That’s how we got Richard Nixon the second time. Does this sound familiar to you?

Here’s a transcript of an interview with McGovern as to how and why superdelegates came to be.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/11/fmr_presidential_candidate_george_mcgovern_on

thank you so much or posting this!!

i am re-energized

BOOYAH!!!
HILLYEAH!!!

ALL THE WAY TO DENVER AND THE WHITE HOUSE BABY!!!

Actually, it is true. In its own limited way. If Gore had taken his own state and Arkansas, Florida’s votes would not have mattered.

But that isn’t what happened.

It came down to one state in each of the last two elections — Florida in Gore’s case and Ohio in Kerry’s. Gore had right on his side and was just robbed. Kerry didn’t have the guts to fight.

Here it won’t come down to that. It will be clear weeks in advance that Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Indiana, Florida, and West Virginia are going for McCain. He will be so busy running from state to state he’s not going to remember much of that crushing defeat. He’ll have to read about it later.

Obama talking about Hillary signs and how people that have Hillary signs block people from seeing him. THEn he ads that is just being Hateful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IORwtgnlPSM

OF course the Obama sign are clear and people can see thru them. /snark

What is a “True Dem?

Those “who feel the same” ?

Uppity, 1 of 400. Taken at face value, it is the pot calling itself white instead of the kettle.

Do latina’s for Obama require a special diet?

We will lose with Berry and the establishment will be exposed as being the power hungry hypocrits that they are. There is no way in hell that Obama will win in November. He would have to flip too many small red and swing states to make up for Florida and Ohio. The DNC knows this. It’s basic grade school math. But they have chosen to focus on their own greed and hunger for power within the different factions of the party. The Dean camp would forfiet the presidency in order to make sure that Clinton doesn’t get the nomination, even though they know that Obama won’t win the general election.

They would rather have more control within the party, than have Clinton be the president. If she were the president her influance over the democratic party would be greater than Dean’s or Palosi’s. They don’t want to lose power and therefore, they have rigged the election by disenfranchising Florida and Michigan in a concerted effort to defeat Clinton. This is the only reason Clinton has not yet won the nomination.

As this plays out we need to hold them accountable. The DNC needs its house cleaned. And we need to start from the top down. When it is clear that the party insiders have screwed us out of a democratic president, we in the blue states, whose voices have been ignored in favor of those democrats in red states, need to take control of our democratic party by removing these greedy power hungry losers who have sold us down the river. We need to vote them out, withhold donations and controdutions, and to excert political pressure on making sure that this can never happen again. We have two choices, either to reform our party, or to leave it!!!! I for one could never be a republican!!!

Everyone should be asking themselves why the media, the same media that sold us the Iraq war, is working so heard to shove Obama down our throats. Could it be that he supported that 2005 energy bill that General Elecric, Time Warner and the rest of the corporate network owners, stand to gain from if either Obama or McCain were elected. Would our country be going green under this bill? Is nuclear power the answer to global warming? Is it safe? Are the corporations trying to pick our nominee through media propaganda and by taking advantage of party in fighting?

It gets scary when the far left comes together with the right!!! Isn’t that how facism took hold in Germany. Wasn’t it the 3rd Riech and the socialist party that formed a facist allience under which Hilter came to power? Are we moving in this direction? Are we witnessing “corporate facism” coming to the fore?

Have the republicans helped pick our nominee through cross voting and sexism and race baiting? Is General Electric republican?

The whole thing makes me sick!!!!!!

I think you are anything but a “Southern Lady” I doubt you have ever even been in the South
and you are NO “lady”!!!

Is this “make nice?” I don’t know much about young people today … does this qualify?

and please dont forget what Obama said in his own words.
“pro choice people just do not understand the WRENCHING MORAL decision faced by pro life people”

see the problem is we just dont understand

thank you MR Obama for explaining to us poor ignorant typical women the wrenching moral decision, I am sure no woman ever understood that before you opened your mouth Golden One.

makes me ill it really does
and this is who NARAL endorses..but of course they endorsed Lieberman too……

You know for some reason “True Dem” and Obama-nuts just doesn’t go together.

For your information, Puerto Ricans will not hold a caucus but opted for a primary due to overwhelming percentage of people wanting to vote. (Usually 80% of the population votes -great testament to democracy). Hillary is leading with 70%, BO has 30%.

Out of 2 million votes cast, that translates to 900,000 plus in Hillary’s column. That’s reason enough for Barack Hussein Obama to freakishly declare victory before the bell sounds, indeed before convention delegates have VOTED.

What flavor is that arsenic laced Kool-Aid, True Dem? Straight, no chaser?

What does that say about the “Democratic” party? Not much in my books. That is why voting for John McCain won’t be that tough in the end. At least JSM is a war hero. We were for that with Kerry, right?

Boracuas going for Uhbama? I dont think so!!! HA HA LOL!!! The only reason Obambi is attempting to declare Mission Accomplished May 20th is to try and stop PR from happening, it will net Hillary all the votes she needs to be way ahead in the popular vote when we go to convention floor..

ALL THE WAY TO DENVER AND THE WHITE HOUSE BABY!
BOOYAH!!!
HILLYEAH!!!

coqui
coqui

PR is calling

I love PR!!!

yes how many of these voters were deceased?!

Yep! It annoys me that nobody is talking about this. Byron York at National review mentioned it in an article couple of days ago but that is it.

the ROOKIE is owning her ?

Words matter? To own another human being is called something…ahhh mmmm ahhh…

true dumb — (Dem). Hillary won Florida and Michigan Obama did not. Hillary won with Democrats Obama cannot. Hillary hangs around with people of love this country. Obama does not. Hillary leads in the Popular Votes and can beat McCain in every industrial state — Obama cannot.

Dora — too right — the Democratic Party lemmings will go over a cliff together because would rather lose than not be politically correct. Thank you BO for showing us what the Democratic Party is willing to stoop too rather than concentrating on winning an election for a change. And yes Obama will lose.

I think what Keenan is trying to tell us is that her check has cleared and Hillary’s supporters can go screw themselves.

Again with the unfounded accusations.

So much for the Obama trolls’ commitment to deomcracy.

djcny — Nobody loves Clinton except the people. Just remember there is an agenda. 250 Mill has been spent to get this fraud the nomination. This mob of supporters doesn’t want Healthcare for All Americans. They want us to hurt real bad.

One of the people who so strongly supported Obama is Teddy Kennedy. In 1994 when everyone was talking about Healthcare for all Americans — Teddy said he didn’t know it was a big issue or he would have come up with a bill. 14 years later he still has never come up with any bill to provide Universal Healthcare. Now Teddy appears to have had a stroke. Thanks to the American People he will have 100% paid coverage for all his hospital and doctor bills. I wish him well and hope that he recovers quickly — perhaps now he might understand what Hillary was trying to accomplish in 1994 with Healthcare for all Americans and will support her efforts on Healthcare in 2008.

regmax — the one who can’t close the deal is Obama. No matter how much he games the system it ain’t happening. A year and a half of positive coverage by the media and he is fading. Why else would he want to announce himself the winner if he thought he could wait until the convention to do so. So he creates bad feeling among Democrats–nobody is important to Obama but Obama. They even have to pay their trolls to talk him up. How pathetic.

regmax — Obama isn’t fit to tie Gore’s shoes. Show some respect for your betters.

This is a great argument to bring forth to the Rules Committee.

If they would do a yes, no, then logic sequence then MI and FL can’t be punished, or all of these states would be punished equally. Since that is the extra headache from hell, then, logically MI and FL should be seated.

Along with delegates being 100% stripped instead of 50% as per the rules, the superdelegates for FL and MI were stripped as well. Something tells me that a whole lot of these delegates and supers have stewed a long time in an Obama-induced Hell and theyre not liking it too much.

There are 15 members on rules committee and many are Clinton supporters, if the committee chooses to pass the ball to the Credentials Committee she has allies there as well.

Perhaps Obama just wants to say he’s the nominee now because he’ll never get another chance to say “I’m the king of the world”.

Much of what occurred in reading the opinions of the Florida and Supreme courts did not address the WAY the case arose in the first place. That was then and still is left to the State of Florida to figure out.

Gore has come to realize for himself, what occurred was bigger than his candidacy for POTUS. Any endorsement on his part for either candidate will be suspect. I would be surprised if VP Gore thinks he needs the distraction at this point.

The same people who were screaming back then about the popular vote being determinative, instead of the electoral map, are for the most part, the same BO people decrying this now.

At first BO and the kool-aid crowd went with this until it was not in their interest.

The reality of the former “VOTES matter” crowd is that BO is losing the argument on both counts; vote total AND the electoral map.

That leaves the current kool-aid delegate count sticking out like a sore thump.

I just had a house guest tell me “you see that is the problem. I think it is the fact that Hillary has been at for 35 years that is the problem”.

As much I did not wish to make a guest uncomfortable in anyway, I had to ask her if that were true, then what is the difference between the Chicago Combine and K st.? I asked her, Do you think they are going away any time soon?

And what makes BO any different, when looking at which primordial swap he crawled out of?

Light a candle–everything you say is absolutely spot on. However, when I read it I see why I can never support Barack Hussein Obama. There are things you don’t say even to win a short term victory. You don’t call the ex-president and first lady racists. You don’t allow your supporters like Randi Rhodes to say at a fundraiser that Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro are F’n Whores. When Obama became the AA candidate he ceased to be the candidate of all Americans. However, he seems to feel thats just fine — and has attacked white workers. Plus when Americans see what the potential First Lady has to say about White People he is toast. It didn’t have to be this way. Obama could have gone down in the nomination process but gone up in the eyes of the American People.

Obama will be so damaged by this process that he will be luckly to be elected again. In fact he will be lucky to stay out of jail when all his dirty dealings hit the press. However, if the paycheck is big enough for the dive he had to take he will think its well worth it.

regmax — the DNC did break their own rules which are that 1/2 of the delegates can be taken but not all of them. They have also held back the SD’s in those states and that is against the rules.

politicsIsdirty — I agrew with you I Hillary runs as an Independent she will win.

Goodman,L

Having a vetted and qualified President is not a matter for National Security?

Since when? I must have missed that snowflake.

Mail in primary, I believe.

To many captians in the galley on the BO boat who wish to go down with the ship.

Oh Nancy!
OH Nicky, Nicky oh Nicky!

Yep, on top of dissing West Virginia and Kentucky he now gives a ‘talk to the hand’ to Oregon. He’s afraid of unscripted questions from anywone. He’s slippling in the polls in Oregon yet he still dis-enfranchising, dis-engaging, dis-missive.

Personally I believe he’s has Caucazoidaphobia – fear of Typical White People.

Obama and his merry band were supposed to have wrapped this up on Super Tuesday. Obama is either bored, scared or back smoking crack.

The very thought that he may be able to nominate two or three Supreme Court judges is enough to do it for me!

Not enough that you would think BO understands the U.S Constitution

Roberts was a good choice?

You’re not from Florida, are you? The Supreme Court was not the problem, they were only Bush’s Hammer after the Republican party had screwed up the recount with their FAKE protest(with bused in republican operatives)and Katherine Harris’s incompetence and some out and out fraud. The real Culprit in that Mess was George’s cousin Ellis who, acting as a pundit on a station covering the election results, called the election for “dear old george ” before the polls were even closed. In 1980, when the MSM called the Election for Reagan before the polls were closed on the west coast, they had their hands slapped. Gore got bad advice but he was not culpable. I lived there and I voted in that race. The Florida Supreme Court voted to allow the Recount, but not just Broward. They wanted to recount the whole state. Bush’s whole crowd procrastninated so long, they were coming down to the wire and He had to go to Daddy’s court to get the Recount overturned.

He was tapped on the shoulder

and that is being kind. Someone else has ALWAYS used BO to make them something. ala Emil

I have to ask: Why can’t Obama close the deal? He keeps losing the big states…he’s now down in the popular vote, and he was the heir apparent and frontrunner. Yet, more and more Democrats are saying no to him. Why can’t Obama close the deal?

Oh, that’s right…he can’t win mainstream America because we’ve clued in to what a bad candidate he is.

Hillary was strip from averything , incl. to defend Herself . Media incl; DNC,CNN, MSNBC,MoveO< Progressive Radio ,and on , and on, They didnt give Her time on their programs, they lied to people, they didnt publish the real truth about Obama pass, and Michelle to, they lied and lied and lied, they promote hate toward Hillary. Also, they especjaly DNC and CNN!!! took Her rights to proof that She is the only chance for US the real democrats!! accusing Her of beying RACIST!!!
CNN was showing Obama with a little breaks for commercials, they were giving Hillary meyby 5 minutes daily the rest was mostly for Obama,. Progressive radio-Radny Rhodes, call Hillary a liar and a HORE, It majke me sick to my stomach,when I see Obama, and His croonies. But the truth will prevail. I will love to see all those, who betray He, if She wins!

“lecture, sweetie.”?

Hey BO has apoligized for that comment twice already…

OMMMMMMM…(introspection session over now)

starts with the crybabies and will end in November with the BO myth splattered on the windshield of History…

Back to my meditaion which was already in progress.

bravo Scoutt, You are great.Hillary will win a bigger price, by starting Her own Party, and She will start mov,ent as no one see YET!!! DNC and DNC Democracy are goig down to drain. They got what they deserve, Donna Brazil playing safe, just like Obama 130 times in Illinois voting on issues, not YES not NO, maybe??? CNN, Anderson360,Wolf Blitz all deserve each other The pay day will come unexpected!!!

Are you serious, Larry? Man, Just when I think you cannot possibly break with reality any further, you prove me wrong. Bravo, Bravo! The only measure of determining the winner of an election in a democracy is by following the laid out, and agreed upon rules. Those rules state that it is delegates, not votes, that determines the democratic nominee. Another thing, Obama has more popular votes anyway, so this is all a moot point. I wonder what crazy goalpost scheme you will come up with tomorrow!

What Sweetie’s campaign and the MSM seem to leave out, time and time again, is that it doesn’t matter who’s ahead in delegates at the end of the general elections. If no one hits 2025 or what ever number is decided based on the MI and FL delegates, neither of them is the “presumptive nomineee,” even if Sweetie has more “promised” Super Delegates. The one who is ahead doesn’t automatically become the Democratic nominee. If that’s how it worked, we wouldn’t need Super Delegates! I feel like screaming at the TV every time one of those idiot “pundits” talks about it.

I just hope the Super Delegates remember what their job is…to chose the candidate who best represents the party, the candidate most likely to win against the Republican.

Which is obviously Hillary Clinton.

Someone asked earlier if anyone around here had an alcoholic or drug addict in their family. Speaking as one who does, I completely see what Sweetie’s supporters are doing…the world revolves around Sweetie and they make excuses for everything he does (he’s tired that’s why he misspoke…he’s not lying like that bad lady Hillary), or if they can, they just pretend it didn’t happen (Ayers? Rezko? Hamas? Farrakhan? Who?). Or if anyone notices something big (Wright) they minimize its importance and then forbid you to talk about it (or Sweetie won’t love you anymore).

Hillary has to win.

You are asolutely right, Obama is lost case, and it will be proven soon!!!DNC will pay for what they did to Hillary. She is tough,smart and quick. Moon. Syberia, maybe Middle East, Obama has there great supporters like; Militia, Hamas….Trinity Church, Wright,Frranakhan, o boy. what a PARTY!!!

that’s why they dragged their feet on it, and that just pissed Hillary off.

and more than 2.3 million other people as well. I am in CA and I PISSED as well. People are leaving the state of Florida just to HAVE a vote that is counted.

A “force multiplier”. not a “non-issue”

igit.

Kudos Larry!

You have just articulated what I have been thinking/feeling for a very long time.

The hypocrisy of the Neo-Bibs Neo Libs is stifling.

You are so naive, You think that Obama will win with out of those who will not vote for HIM in General E. DNC knows, that HE will not, and no metter what delegates (super or popular votes)will support Hillary, She will be the winner, because Obama He will not win!!!!, He can not win, if WE,voters-democtrats(!) wont support HIM, and this is the real scenario, so stop dreaming, get real!!!
I can see the anger in faces of my friends, and 21 of them change to Independence all ready, I am the next, and this movement is growing. DNC will pay a huge price for discriminating HILLARY!!! We are fed up with Haward Dean and Obama!!!

I made it.

But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait

Bingo! Great piece, Larry. That’s exactly what’s on the line, and it’s also why the party isn’t “getting” it.

Hillary was jeered when she said, “I’m the real change.”

She’s proven it. She is the real candidate of change.

And we are all so ready for it.

It’s been fascinating to watch the insiders play their cards, and sure enough, it’s exactly what I thought.

This is bigger than Hillary, although she’s a champion.

This is about the TRUE will of the people.

Latina, good for You, what Hillary did, that You hate HER, . You must be from a groip of people who are making more then 150000???
Dont tell You latina people that You hate Hillary, You will have a lot of people who will hate You to!!!

This is an in interesting notion and may be the only means possible with which to save the nation should the Obama coup succeed in destroying the Democratic Party.

In consideration of this topic, the problem is that the Democratic Party has been run like a private country club for far too long.

We will probably see that traitor Gore come out for O-bomb-em Tuesday after Barak’s loss. Such a prospect would help to clarify who the occupants of the catamite Obama’s bunker are.

Yup……since Clinton, frankly, which is also why they lose.

This gang of elites truly needs to go.

This is the year.

If they lose to McCain?

Maybe they won’t get to hide behind the excuses they’ve been dishing up to the voters.

Frankly, when you lose your own home state?

That’s worth noting.

wonder, why somelatina woman are angry , are they just like those man, who are betraying Hillary, like ;Richardson,Reich, Evans,and others,. I agree with You, and Hillary must win!!!

So, looks like Obama is involve in gay sex twice in 99 .?? Chicago Police Dept. is investigating death od Choir Director and member of Trinity Church, Mr.Young is his name, who also was gay, . 3 members of this Church ( 2 of them gays incl. Mr.Young) were killed in 7 weeks. Mr.Young was a Friend of Obama. Mr.Wright is under investigation to!!!. What is going on there, did they know to much. I hope this is just rumor, but sound like it is not. Obama supporters will be andry , but I believe , that they should start listen and read, maybe finally WE be able to discus some real stuff, about this candidate. It will hurt, but truth must prevail!!!

this is great. True Dem and latina woman is so hateful, is just like most of Obama voters, but not ALL. They are some great people there, but they voting for wrong candidate, they will be sorry, and they know that very well, maybe that is why the are so angry, betray by their IDOL!!!

I worn people, as more as possible, that Obama Hussein Barak is only for HIMSELf. I listen most of His speaches, to make sure, that I am not just ampty as He is!!! To just make sure, that , when I will respond to angry Obamas supporters, I must be 100% sure, what I am talking about!!!
So, You are absolutely right, this man has betray His own people, and Edwards just prove to US, that He is the same as OBAMA!!!

Andy!!!!!!!!!!how do You know, that is 2209, yesterday was 2026. What this meens fro Hillary????

The only one playing by the ‘slash-and-burn’ RNC handbook is BO.

HE is the one smearing his opponent as racist. HE is the one using an identikit ‘Harry and Louise’ ad to attack Hillary’s UHC plan. HE is the one leaving out the FACT that her gas tax holiday plan is PAID for by a windfall tax on the oil companies.

You don’t provide specifics of Hillary’s attacks only that she attacks. I know, I know BO doesn’t deal in specifics — if he or his followers say its true it is true.

Give me a break, SWEETIE!! Oh and get over yourself.

1.74 million Florida democrats have been disenfranchised and we demand to have our votes counted and our delegates seated based on the outcome of our January 29th primary.

Please go to the web site below and download petitions. Pass them to everyone you know and mail them in. Required petition fields are just name, signature, city and state. We have a national petition as well as a Florida petition. (You do not need to be a Florida resident to participate).

Thank you and please post this info on as many web sites as you can. While at our site, sign up if you want to come with us to our May 31st DC rally.

http://www.FloridaDemandsRepresentation.org

Are you one of the “educated” Obamabots. Watch your language. You can make comments in a more educated manner.

Are you one of the paid ones? They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Wanted – foul-mouthed little brats, living off Mommy and Daddy. Must hate their Mommy, speak ‘texting’ and type in ALL CAPS. No other work experience or life experience is required. Apply at barackobama.com

Done!

I agree with you. I saw an article about this and posted it, I think in ABC or another site. Check this out.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/genera_evelyn_p_080512_curtain_time_for_bar.htm

So you’d be okay with Hitler as the master of Europe and Tojo as the master of Asia? And given that Hitler’s scientists were fast at work on the atomic bomb and rocket technology, it would have required only a few years for Hitler to become the master of North America as well.

Wow, just wow.

What do you all out there think of Hillary’s chances if she ran as an Independent?? It worked for Lieberman! Also, how does the write-in candidate option work??? Thanks.

zip………but I do think in the 4 years we have, we should mobilize.

But zip, zip….

Here’s your problem. Perception is all. He won his delegats from states like Alaska…..400, count them by nose….400 Dems.

The disparity wouldn’t be noticeed in a usual year where there’s a clear winner.

Boy, are we noticing this year.

Therefore, the argument he has?

Toast.

He’s tanking. He hasn’t shown well except in his AA group since January.

He’s been losing votes rapidly.

He’s the frontrunner who is bound to lose now.

Yes, it is absolutely outrageous that 400 people from one state could entitle him to the delegates. Something has to be changed about the Dem nominating process. This is just insane.

40% loss, no counties won by the candidate = “closing the deal” by Obama.

Well, the dead do vote early and often….that’s the Chicago way.

exactly.

seems to me that caucus votes should be counted just like other votes – one person, one vote. so if 3000 people show up in some red state, that counts for 3000 people, not 300000 or whatever based on some bs projection. if the state wants more “credit” for its votes it can hold a primary.

ditto. haven’t seen them since february. don’t plan to ever see them again. when their ratings tank, they’ll lose their jobs. works for me.

hillary’s supporters, however, will screw obama instead. couldn’t happen to a more deserving asshole.

would like to agree, but think gore will take the petty route taken by all the rest of the jerks. i’m sure he blames bill for his loss, even though it was his own fault. and loyalty in politics doesn’t exist.

the only reason i see gore not endorsing obama is if gore sees it as hurting gore – not that he gives a hoot about anyone else.

and they only applied the rules to the states that favored hillary, not the states that favored obamamesiah.

the fix was in from the beginning.

remember when the obamaidiots were saying sd’s shouldn’t be allowed to “steal” the election? now that sd’s are “stealing” it for their guy, they’ve changed their tune. typical obamaidiots – the only thing that matters is the current score.

they forget that this is just the playoffs. their idiot may or may not win. but in the finals, he has no chance. and there are no sd’s to buy and no caucuses to “win” by bullying. just real people with real votes.

since real people despise their idiot, he’ll be back to chicago. and obamaidiots will be back to their parents’ basements.

hope their parents throw them out.

we’ll vote for whoever we want to vote for. obamatrolls telling us go vote for … demonstrate the arrogance and presumption of their cult leader, who also thinks he can tell us what to do.

f u and obama too.

ditto. hillary or mccain. no other option.

oh, secular, you always give me a good laugh.

another post hitting the nail on the head.

enjoy your little dream. we’re never getting onboard with obamaidiot. he may or may not get the nomination. he won’t be president. now go cry in your koolaid.

i see dead people.

I’ve yet to see any credible evidence that the Obama campaign has done anything to stifle efforts at a resolution regarding Florida. I’ve seen the accusation, to be sure, but nothing besides that.

As for the 2000 analogy, there is a very clear distinction.

The Supreme Court blocked the recount of a legal election, and that decision faces many legal and ethical questions that unfortunately, given the circumstances both then and now, won’t see any reconciliation. Literally. The majority opinion in Bush v. Gore demanded that it should never be used as precedent in any future case before any court. When Scalia said “Get over it”, he wasn’t simply being an arrogant blowhard.

The Florida primary differs, however, in that it was deemed illigitimate by the body responsible for deciding such matters: The DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee, which punished Deleware in 1996 for a similar violation. Further, there is a recourse for the FDP in that they can plead their case before the Credentials Committee. Doubtful any lawsuits will go anywhere, as thirty years of legal precedent has favored a national party’s right to determine the composition of its National Convention.

Additionally, any nationwide popular vote tally is irrelevent, at least at this point, for two reasons. Big ones. The first, is that these totals are problematic when it comes to determining the effects of caucuses. One could argue the legitimacy of caucuses, but shuffling them off to the back of the room now, when the process has already been established and carried out in many caucus states, is changing the rules in the middle of the contest. Which relates to the second reason, in neither party selects its nominee based on popular vote totals. Again, one could argue the legitimacy of this, but any resolution would have to occur after the conclusion of the overall nominating process to ensure the integrity of the process.

Sancho…Try google 101

From a WAPO article..

“It would make no sense for the Obama campaign to give the Clinton campaign that extra ammunition,” said an Obama supporter in the House. “That would make no sense at all.”

From the Orlando Sentinel

Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign is raising red flags about the idea of a revote in Florida to solve the mess over the state’s delegates to the presidential nominating convention.

From Political news

“We will go and make the case for a revote,” said Mo Elleithee, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Obama’s campaign has resisted a new contest,… that a revote would not make much difference in the overall delegate count and that the Clinton camp was trying to change the rules to suit itself.

Obama would get beat in MI and FL in an revote, that would have been politically damaging to him, so he said no. I understand the political reality, but don’t claim BO has some democratic purity when he is shitting on the VOTERS (we all have scorn toward the party elite)in too large states

LOL*……great description there: curdled milk.

Yes, it IS going to happen.

And it’s going to REALLY make people angrier than they already are.

He’s going to award himself the nomination before FL and MI are resolved.

And she’s going to be cut off from victory speech in KY.

The whole thing just is appalling. What’s frankly amazed me is just how rude the elites are being, too. Kennedy’s remark about the VP position? Unnecessary.

They aren’t really interested in unifying at all. They are into crushing.

Please explain how you can use a metric to claim Hillary has the popular vote lead by counting two states that Hillary herself said wouldn’t count for anything, and ignoring four states that had legitimate elections that were sanctioned? Hillary’s lack of foresight cannot be blamed on Obama. I just don’t get it.

Amazing to me that your candidate wishes to ignore over 2 million voters, but that’s why we’re divided and there won’t be any unified party this year.

The two sides simply are on different planets in terms of ideology.

I don’t even want to have anything to do with the Obama style party.

It’s racially divisive, horrific to working class people, and the candidate is so immature that he honestly thinks everything is about him and wags his finger like some idiot, saying “Shame on you!”

No, I’d be embarassed to support him or this new Democratic Party.

Please read this article about demonization of Hillary Clinton by MSNBC:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-fempower-0518may18,0,6987182.column Boycott MSNBC and all of their advertisers. Write to them and tell them, especially those who advertise women’s products.

Just because Donna Brazil and the DNC used the death penalty to punish FL and MI, let me help you here…pay attention, BY REFUSING TO SEAT 100% OF THE STATES DELEGATES, we are damn well not going to let you obamazot crap all over the VOTERS of those 2 states who showed up to support their candidates.

The delegate seating process is in the hands of the rules committee, the voters in MI and FL have spoken and you can go straight to hell if this Democrats will allow you to crap on them and re3fuse to recognize them. Delegates are one issue and the voters are totally separate.

A front-runner who loses by 41 points and is about to get shellacked again is not a legitimate front-runner, delegates or not.

He can announce it, if he likes, but those sds are free to fly right back to the clinton nest, too.

And she’s not going away.

So he’s going to have to hope that tape of Michelle doesn’t hit before the convention.

Wow does that make you feel better ? You may want to run home and play with your little freinds. You know the ones who want to blow Joe.

wonk-wonk-wonk For your information Obama was on the Michigon ballot.He took his name off.Which was his right.Hillary and some others left thier name on the ballot because the people of Michigon should have their votes as well as thier voices heard.Florida voters went out in record numbers and to take away thier votes is wrong!

ASK MICHELL OBAMA OF HER PEICE OF PIE! WE AMERICAN DON’T CARE AND WE LIKE WHAT LITLE WE HAVE? SHE’S DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT AS OBAMAS 57 STATES- AND CALLIN MEDIA PEOPLE THE WRONG NAMES AS HE TALKS TO THEM.HE ALSO SAT WITH TIM RUSSERT IN WHICH TIM, RUSSERT ASK HIM A QUESTION ON SOMETHING OBAMA HAD SAID.OBAMA SAID WELL LOOK I WAS TALKING TO A REPORTER AND HE GOT IT ALL WRONG.THE REPORTS NAME WAS TIM RUSSERT,LOL THE LOOK ON TIMRUSSERT FACE WAS LIKE WHAT ME?IT WAN’T TIM RUSSERT OBAMA JUST CAN’T HOLD NAMES TOGETHER WHO HE TALKE TO OR WHO HE IS TALKING TO.IS HIS MIND ON THE OTHER 7 STATES?

I WILL NEVER VOTE OBAMA NEVER EVEN IN THE FUTURE.THE WAY THEY TREATED SEN.CLINTON AND THE MEDIA MSNBC NBC I WILL NOT WATCH MSNBC MBC ONCE THIS IS OVER.SO ENJOY THE RATEING WHILE YOU CAN MSNBC MBC. BYE BYE WE SURE WON’T MISS YOU!

I WISH I COULD SEE THE VIDEO SOME REASON THE LINK WON’T OPEN.

I am not watching msnbc mbc and any network that has any connection with this staation.OP rating drop so no wonder she didn’t hang with Obama.She went to that church but got out because of the ways Rev J Wright preach.and Obama stayed.

What msnbc msn did to Sen.Hillary Clinton was the most horrible thing that i have saw in the media unless my eyes wan’t open.or because I am on top of this race and see it.How many people did MSNBC do this to?Yes boycot MSNBC MBS.check this video out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kab2kDxJ4cg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kab2kDxJ4cg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kab2kDxJ4cg&feature=related

hillary clinton listen to the whole video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kab2kDxJ4cg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kab2kDxJ4cg&feature=related

OK JUST LIKE THE HOSPITAL WHO CHARGE 350% MORE THEN WHAT THE COST SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR THE TREATMENT.And she’s talking about our pie that we are happy with little of the pie.Man—-she really hit a nerve now.How dare she when they make 1 million a year and have the never to say they fight to pay fro thier daughte piano leason.like sure you fight to do that with al you make.

She nmeeds to get a freakn life away from us!and take he lying husband with he. I will not vote for Obama who stands for nothing.susch a fake obama and she is.

What a peice of sh*t Obama is.He even avoided a reporter you can see in the second question how he was trying to get away un notice.and now this video.

Hillary would have stop and took the picture.Who does Obama think he is,specail? more like a nobody!

hey obamazoid zombie…Larry is laying out a metric that the unpledged delegates must consider in making their choice, you know, the unpledged delegates that BOTH candidates will need to achieve the nominating number!!!

You worshipers of Obamasiah are really stupid!

You’re leaving something out that’s extraordinarily important: Funding. The FDP has refused to fund a revote, as has the DNC. Sen. Clinton’s campaign surrogates came up with the idea of a jointly funded revote, which was turned down. That is not actively scuttling revote efforts, especially when the chairwoman of the FDP claimed that a revote was, for practical purposes, impossible.

Further, tone it down with the paranoid conspiracism. I didn’t claim that Obama held some “Democratic purity”, whatever that’s supposed to mean. This situation is ultimately a function of rules, not political personalities.

Nonsense. This situation should have been resolved long ago.

Punish, fine. This complete disenfranchisement is clearly a political insider hit job on Hillary, and the public knows it.

I recall, btw, that Hillary came up with the entire amount to fund MI revote.

Obama, who had decent polls, still turned it down.

I agree. It should have been resolved long ago. The leadership of the FDP, instead, decided to threaten a lawsuit against the DNC and run a media campaign against Howard Dean. That’s probably not what the Rules and Bylaws Committee meant by “good faith effort”.

The verdict of the committee was given in August 25th, 2007. That was five months before Florida held it’s illegitimate primary. To say that this was a plan to stick it to Senator Clinton is the height of paranoid conspiracism.

And no, she never came up with the entire amount. A spokesman for the Florida Department of State said it would cost upwards of 20 million to hold a revote, and that was back in March. Estimates from the Michigan state government would place the cost of a revote there at 10 million.

Even if Sen. Clinton’s campaign had the funds, the FDP chairwoman acknowledged, back in March when this co-funded revote idea was being tossed around, that such a revote would be logistically impossible.

The Rules and Bylaws committee has thirty members, twelve of whom have openly supported Senator Clinton.

Of those thirty members, one member of the committee provided the sole dissenting vote on the question. Allan Katz. Furthermore, and I know this might possibly make your head explode, Allan Katz is an Obama supporter.

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Well thought out points
The writer is right, all votes should count. Didn’t we all grow up hearing every vote count.

Lets hope before it’s to late that the DNC remembers that.

I know that there are some good people on the DNC who believe as we do lets hope they can make our point to the rest of the DNC (who want the Repulicans to win in November) that every vote counts and seat the Fl. and MI delegates

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Well wrtten.
For the first time on the web messages a message,that comes from a real America. I am a woman, an African from the third world country, very proud to immigrate to America for principle that it hold, God first “In God we trust”. I am afraid things are changing,if America want to be like third world country let then elect someone from there, those who call upon the name of God; yet does not obey his commandments.do not believe them they children of disobediance. Moral person speaks good of his Nation too. democrates will bear this crises. Radicals are fools that has no understanding.The soul of Roger williams, William Penn, Anne Hutchinson, and many of those who founded this nation will not forgive those who will mess with America.I think the Republican should go and pray for this nation on special way a day before the election day
Mary of God