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		<title>By: stodgie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25705/the-gop-past-present-and-future/#comment-1215893</link>
		<dc:creator>stodgie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ferd, i am not a bot. and i don&#039;t use the language on here you do lately. you agreed with tek who disagreed with me. ie you said it based on my post. if you don&#039;t want to own it, fine, don&#039;t.be well and goodbye to you also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ferd, i am not a bot. and i don&#8217;t use the language on here you do lately. you agreed with tek who disagreed with me. ie you said it based on my post. if you don&#8217;t want to own it, fine, don&#8217;t.be well and goodbye to you also.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25705/the-gop-past-present-and-future/#comment-1215885</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Scoop Jackson didn&#039;t break the bank and wasn&#039;t a part of the theft.  Your analysis is short. Do the history and the math and then decide. You will find that it wasn&#039;t the democrats but the republicans and that it started with Reagan. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Scoop Jackson didn&#8217;t break the bank and wasn&#8217;t a part of the theft.  Your analysis is short. Do the history and the math and then decide. You will find that it wasn&#8217;t the democrats but the republicans and that it started with Reagan. </p>
<p>So long.</p>
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		<title>By: ame</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25705/the-gop-past-present-and-future/#comment-1215878</link>
		<dc:creator>ame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did</description>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25705/the-gop-past-present-and-future/#comment-1215875</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ferd, i am not a candidate for the loonie bend. i don’t use that type of language with you. if you look back at history you will see some did move from the democratic party to the repubs. and i didn’t say dems championed it. please don’t put words in my mouth. debate all you like but take the insults and throw them out. that is so below your character, sir.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jesus. I was replying to tek.

I almost feel as if I should just chuck NQ in toto. I am tired of being taken to task for being outspoken by those who take my comments out of context.

This isn&#039;t the first someone has taken me to task for some alleged impropriety or offense --I&#039;m either anti-south (even though I&#039;m an Okie by birth and live in Tennessee or too liberal or too conservative). There are bozos who think my use of &quot;Goober&quot; makes me anti-south. Christ. If I don&#039;t toe the anti-Obama line to a tee, I&#039;m a marxist, and if I don&#039;t draw my pistol every time I post, then I&#039;m just not a real conservative.

Fuck all of you who think this shit. 

I want no part of this and I am done. I have battled your bots for you when you had no words and I did it without complaining.

Really, fuck this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ferd, i am not a candidate for the loonie bend. i don’t use that type of language with you. if you look back at history you will see some did move from the democratic party to the repubs. and i didn’t say dems championed it. please don’t put words in my mouth. debate all you like but take the insults and throw them out. that is so below your character, sir.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jesus. I was replying to tek.</p>
<p>I almost feel as if I should just chuck NQ in toto. I am tired of being taken to task for being outspoken by those who take my comments out of context.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the first someone has taken me to task for some alleged impropriety or offense &#8211;I&#8217;m either anti-south (even though I&#8217;m an Okie by birth and live in Tennessee or too liberal or too conservative). There are bozos who think my use of &#8220;Goober&#8221; makes me anti-south. Christ. If I don&#8217;t toe the anti-Obama line to a tee, I&#8217;m a marxist, and if I don&#8217;t draw my pistol every time I post, then I&#8217;m just not a real conservative.</p>
<p>Fuck all of you who think this shit. </p>
<p>I want no part of this and I am done. I have battled your bots for you when you had no words and I did it without complaining.</p>
<p>Really, fuck this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25705/the-gop-past-present-and-future/#comment-1215865</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I get nary a response. This is entirely atypical of NQ. I am perplexed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I get nary a response. This is entirely atypical of NQ. I am perplexed.</p>
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		<title>By: stodgie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25705/the-gop-past-present-and-future/#comment-1215859</link>
		<dc:creator>stodgie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve, i think that is why the dims are so anxious to run their prize plans through so quickly. they know their time is limited because of their actions. at least the smarter ones do. 

thanks for your comments to me about the democrats turning republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve, i think that is why the dims are so anxious to run their prize plans through so quickly. they know their time is limited because of their actions. at least the smarter ones do. </p>
<p>thanks for your comments to me about the democrats turning republican.</p>
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		<title>By: whoframedrudy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d add to the record of &#039;old&#039; Republicans Ike &amp; Nixon: excellent Supreme Court appointments.

Ike appointed Earl Warren and Bill Brennan, two of the greatest liberal Justices.  I think Nixon partially redeemed himself for Watergate by appointing honorable conservatives Blackmun, Powell, and Burger.  Nixon&#039;s appointees protected the Constitution, with a strong record on privacy, abortion, death penalty, free press and executive privilege, standing up to Nixon in the Constitutional crisis.

There was a time when we didn&#039;t have to fear Repub Presidents appointing hacks and party radicals to the Supreme Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d add to the record of &#8216;old&#8217; Republicans Ike &amp; Nixon: excellent Supreme Court appointments.</p>
<p>Ike appointed Earl Warren and Bill Brennan, two of the greatest liberal Justices.  I think Nixon partially redeemed himself for Watergate by appointing honorable conservatives Blackmun, Powell, and Burger.  Nixon&#8217;s appointees protected the Constitution, with a strong record on privacy, abortion, death penalty, free press and executive privilege, standing up to Nixon in the Constitutional crisis.</p>
<p>There was a time when we didn&#8217;t have to fear Repub Presidents appointing hacks and party radicals to the Supreme Court.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, cat!</description>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25705/the-gop-past-present-and-future/#comment-1215814</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tek, you make a valid point.  The history I researched showed that political parties go through major shake-ups from time to time, usually after a particularly embarrassing episode or era has cast them in a bad light.  Witness the change from the Kennedy/Johnson era of Viet Nam, followed by Carter the pacifist and Clinton the centrist on the Democratic side.

Bill Clinton&#039;s years brought sustained growth and prosperity, although he largely lucked out with the real estate and dotcom bubbles.  So in 2000, the Republicans backed Bush because his father had been popular except for the economy, which Clinton fixed, so with that hurdle out of the way, Dubya seemed like a safe bet.  Good economy, and no wars of any significance (after Clinton got us out of Bush Senior&#039;s Somalia fiasco).  

My point is that the Republicans backed off the ultra-conservative views of previous GOP candidates by putting in a different faction of the party.  They backed off the evangelicals and hot-button issues by putting forth a candidate who promised to be a compassionate conservative.  Unfortunately, I don&#039;t think they knew how corrupt Cheney was, and he was the real power of Dubya&#039;s first term.

Now that the Democrats have gone ballistically liberal, with the consequences we are only beginning to fathom, the Republicans will come back with promises of fiscal solutions, and hopefully backing off the happy warrior stuff.  In turn, I hope the Democrats swing back to the center, ideally with Hillary at the helm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tek, you make a valid point.  The history I researched showed that political parties go through major shake-ups from time to time, usually after a particularly embarrassing episode or era has cast them in a bad light.  Witness the change from the Kennedy/Johnson era of Viet Nam, followed by Carter the pacifist and Clinton the centrist on the Democratic side.</p>
<p>Bill Clinton&#8217;s years brought sustained growth and prosperity, although he largely lucked out with the real estate and dotcom bubbles.  So in 2000, the Republicans backed Bush because his father had been popular except for the economy, which Clinton fixed, so with that hurdle out of the way, Dubya seemed like a safe bet.  Good economy, and no wars of any significance (after Clinton got us out of Bush Senior&#8217;s Somalia fiasco).  </p>
<p>My point is that the Republicans backed off the ultra-conservative views of previous GOP candidates by putting in a different faction of the party.  They backed off the evangelicals and hot-button issues by putting forth a candidate who promised to be a compassionate conservative.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think they knew how corrupt Cheney was, and he was the real power of Dubya&#8217;s first term.</p>
<p>Now that the Democrats have gone ballistically liberal, with the consequences we are only beginning to fathom, the Republicans will come back with promises of fiscal solutions, and hopefully backing off the happy warrior stuff.  In turn, I hope the Democrats swing back to the center, ideally with Hillary at the helm.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25705/the-gop-past-present-and-future/#comment-1215797</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stodgie, I agree with your comments about Scoop Jackson, et al.  The research I presented clearly shows that the original neoconservatives were Democrats at one time.  If they had been Republicans all along, they wouldn&#039;t really be &quot;Neo&quot; conservatives, would they? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stodgie, I agree with your comments about Scoop Jackson, et al.  The research I presented clearly shows that the original neoconservatives were Democrats at one time.  If they had been Republicans all along, they wouldn&#8217;t really be &#8220;Neo&#8221; conservatives, would they? <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: stodgie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/25705/the-gop-past-present-and-future/#comment-1215761</link>
		<dc:creator>stodgie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for those who scoffed at my comment about democrats who migrated to the republican party or at the very least a close association, please read up on richard perle, irving kristol, and jean kirkpatrick. both perle and wolfowitz both were close to scoop jackson. the democratic party had a different personality before johnson and viet nam. the far left gained more power. that along with johnson sent a number toward the republican party. some may have forgotten that reagan and heston were both democrats at one time. 

please do your homework and don&#039;t start off slamming posters on here. i am so daxx tired of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for those who scoffed at my comment about democrats who migrated to the republican party or at the very least a close association, please read up on richard perle, irving kristol, and jean kirkpatrick. both perle and wolfowitz both were close to scoop jackson. the democratic party had a different personality before johnson and viet nam. the far left gained more power. that along with johnson sent a number toward the republican party. some may have forgotten that reagan and heston were both democrats at one time. </p>
<p>please do your homework and don&#8217;t start off slamming posters on here. i am so daxx tired of it.</p>
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		<title>By: stodgie</title>
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		<dc:creator>stodgie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ferd, i am not a candidate for the loonie bend. i don&#039;t use that type of language with you. if you look back at history you will see some did move from the democratic party to the repubs. and i didn&#039;t say dems championed it. please don&#039;t put words in my mouth. debate all you like but take the insults and throw them out. that is so below your character, sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ferd, i am not a candidate for the loonie bend. i don&#8217;t use that type of language with you. if you look back at history you will see some did move from the democratic party to the repubs. and i didn&#8217;t say dems championed it. please don&#8217;t put words in my mouth. debate all you like but take the insults and throw them out. that is so below your character, sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. I suppose my main contention was with the neo and con part being mixed together as a part of some unholy &quot;new&quot; and &quot;conservative&quot; way. I am conservative on many issues, but not in the neocon mold. I find them to be interlopers on the name in that they claim a mantle to which they are not entitled by deciding who should be allowed to marry and serve our country and who should be disallowed. They also find no problem with corporate welfare but are opposed to individual welfare. They have no problem with fixing the rules for conglomerates but not for the common man. The Constitution&#039;s Preamble begins with, &quot;We the People&quot; and not &quot;We the Corporations&quot; or &quot;We, the Republicans&quot;, or &quot;We, the Religious Right&quot;. As a Blue-Dog former Democrat, I rightfully claim the conservative mantle and allow it for those Republicans like Goldwater, who believed in smaller government and the Constitution--not one that is beholden to corporate America, the Religious Right, or card-holding members of the Republican party. The term people means literally just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I suppose my main contention was with the neo and con part being mixed together as a part of some unholy &#8220;new&#8221; and &#8220;conservative&#8221; way. I am conservative on many issues, but not in the neocon mold. I find them to be interlopers on the name in that they claim a mantle to which they are not entitled by deciding who should be allowed to marry and serve our country and who should be disallowed. They also find no problem with corporate welfare but are opposed to individual welfare. They have no problem with fixing the rules for conglomerates but not for the common man. The Constitution&#8217;s Preamble begins with, &#8220;We the People&#8221; and not &#8220;We the Corporations&#8221; or &#8220;We, the Republicans&#8221;, or &#8220;We, the Religious Right&#8221;. As a Blue-Dog former Democrat, I rightfully claim the conservative mantle and allow it for those Republicans like Goldwater, who believed in smaller government and the Constitution&#8211;not one that is beholden to corporate America, the Religious Right, or card-holding members of the Republican party. The term people means literally just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ame.  I too believe the Republicans will come back with fiscal responsibility as their main appeal, but they are going to have to eat some crow first, having let the Bush Gang spend our grandchilden&#039;s future.  But now that the Obama Gang has spent our great-great-grandchildren&#039;s future in the first 150 days of BO&#039;s administration, I think he gives the Republican&#039;s something to work with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ame.  I too believe the Republicans will come back with fiscal responsibility as their main appeal, but they are going to have to eat some crow first, having let the Bush Gang spend our grandchilden&#8217;s future.  But now that the Obama Gang has spent our great-great-grandchildren&#8217;s future in the first 150 days of BO&#8217;s administration, I think he gives the Republican&#8217;s something to work with.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve_in_KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve_in_KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferd, thanks for your comments and your contributions to this discussion.

I was somewhat surprised in researching this piece to learn the Neo-Cons were derived from the same gene pool as the old Conservative Democrats.  It&#039;s kind of hard to wrap one&#039;s mind around some of the convoluted twists and turns these political philosophies take in the course of a few decades.  

I guess the point I was trying to make in my observations was that if you look back into the history of the political evolutions of the major parties, the lines are often blurry.  The politicos who are not feathering their own nests are few and far between.  If the political climate calls for liberalism, both parties lean that way, then they lean conservative when the voters want less liberalism.  It&#039;s all about getting elected and re-elected so they can use the power for the benefit of themselves and their friends. And that applies to both parties equally, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferd, thanks for your comments and your contributions to this discussion.</p>
<p>I was somewhat surprised in researching this piece to learn the Neo-Cons were derived from the same gene pool as the old Conservative Democrats.  It&#8217;s kind of hard to wrap one&#8217;s mind around some of the convoluted twists and turns these political philosophies take in the course of a few decades.  </p>
<p>I guess the point I was trying to make in my observations was that if you look back into the history of the political evolutions of the major parties, the lines are often blurry.  The politicos who are not feathering their own nests are few and far between.  If the political climate calls for liberalism, both parties lean that way, then they lean conservative when the voters want less liberalism.  It&#8217;s all about getting elected and re-elected so they can use the power for the benefit of themselves and their friends. And that applies to both parties equally, IMO.</p>
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