“What is your role, exactly?”

Yeah, Larry….You’re right. What he said was worse than your saying woman can’t do math. Really, it was.

Oh, by the way, some here raised hell when I said that Hillary (who I respect immensely, by the way) got her start on the shirt tails of Bill Clinton….

And the two women on the panel kept stupidly saying we are in a post-feminist world. The fact that anyone can say this with a straight face, especially after the past year, certainly drives home the point that your view on this depends on your income level.

I found them way more disgusting than George.

Who is this Larry you are talking to?

I noticed that question too and was taken aback. I think so was the Secretary. Odd, since he actually knows her.

As qualified and intelligent Hillary is about the matters of state,I really wish Hillary wasn’t in this position, because, I think these jerks and OB being one of them, will let her do the hard work ,give her no credit and if things get screwed up by OB and gang they will somehow blame her. I think that is part of their plan .
If you notice, matthews,olberman,Cnn jerks, all when refering to SOS Clinton always start out by saying either mrs. Clinton or Sen. Clinton and once in a while they may say SOS. They can’t even say something completely positive no matter how good she does her job. It just kills them while MO can just go sleeveless in the middle of winter and they are over the top in praise of her! Some femminist MO is. they are the biggest hypocrites in the world but look at whos in charge.
Old georgie can’t face the fact ,that Hillary is such a powerful woman and he’s a sneaky weasel.

Labeling it post-feminist world will absolve them of their responsibility (and failure to have made the kind of progress women deserve.) It is a cop out.

It is the same thing with 0bama being labeled post-racial. No real progress need be made if we declare that the problem is solved (whether it is or not.)

Its important to remember that rumor has it that Hillary got both George and Rahm removed from the W.H. staff. Reason – they were both running their own agendas and also leaking big time.

Bill just wouldn’t deal with them until Hil pushed him and it had become quite obvious what they were up to.

stephanopoulos is he not one of those guys who got where he is today through Bill Clinton? please let me know if I am wrong?

He should be sweeping the stage rather than sitting in a chair insulting the SOS…

This type of crap gets me riled what a little man you are stephanopoulos.

may you earn your last paycheck real soon.

MCPs are found world wide.

The Problem is that the younger women just don’t see it.

The media has done such a great job of getting out the message that females are less than human, less than a man in all ways.

These stupid girl-women will understand someday but then it will be too late.

Can you fucking read who the author is? Also can you comprehend? Larry was mocking people making such sexist comments in his post.

They were right to raise hell for what you said about Hillary. This is the thing — she could not have run for office at the same time as he, especially when he is the president or even when he was Governor, a popular one too. They have to take turns which they did. It is not like she would not have won if Bill was not President. She has her own credentials. That is the whole point of women’s movement — to separate them out from their husbands and look at them purely as individuals and what they have to offer and she has plenty to offer as we have seen over and over again and through decades. But of course people like you can not appreciate the individual that the woman is. That is the sad and SEXIST part of this debate.

Really? We’re in a post-feminist world? Could have fooled me after last year’s primaries. And the way Stephanolopoulis framed his questions. So, I guess we can all roll with the filthy names that were leveled against HRC and Sarah Palin. And we might as well get used to being treated like second class citizens, even if we’re accomplished and tireless and have a true record of achievement.

Nice to know all the major problems are solved, too. The economy is “turning the corner,” we’re living in a post-racial and post-feminist world, and we’re all going to join hands and sing Kumbuya.

Wonder if the North Koreans and Islamists know the tune??

It’s a true Uptopia! And a big fat lie. And Georgie Porgie ought to be ashamed of himself. As for the women on the panel? They get the Drivel Award. They need to start passing out the anti-delusional pills or these people will need straight jackets when it all hits the fan.

And it’s coming.

Agreed. I frequent televisionwithoutpity, a popular site now powered by Bravo. Most of the posters are self proclaimed young “progressive liberals.” Yet in forum and forum, I find many such women railing against fictional t.v. characters and reality show constestants who don’t make the choices they would personally make. Women are FREQUENLY called whores, hos, sluts, with a random c*nt for variety. They claim to be progressive? Disturbing. And on a site powered by Bravo! You would think parent corp. NBC would give a crap about decency and standards. Cough.

This is why I quit watching these shows, and I used to be a Sunday morning talk show addict. They’re just filthy disgusting pigs to me now.

It’s funny how the media and the Kennedys like to compare Obama to JFK.

Jackie Kennedy was a well educated woman that spoke more than one language. She had her own talents. But at that time in history they tried to relegate her to a fashion plate and mom.

I’ve only recently seen video of Jackie speaking in a couple of foreign countries where she could speak the language but JFK couldn’t. At least he was man enough to make sure she got those opportunities.

Why is the media continuing the lie that Michelle is the only well educated First Lady that had her own career?.

Hillary apparently never attended college. Never practiced law. She was never the primary bread winner in terms of salary.

I think these post-feminist twits will wake up when they find their rights rolled back and their basic freedoms gone.

Their post-feminist hero Barack only managed to object to the wearing of a Hajib not the stoning, mutilation, or murder of women for crimes real or imagined without due process.

Now we are post-feminist, post-racial, post- constitution, post-law and post-real journalism.

Sigh.

O. M. G. !!!!!! pm317, how did you manage to keep your head from exploding?!? I cannot believe what a stupid little s*** weasel that pathetic wormy George is!!!!!!!

The dimwitted bubble heads I can ignore, but George, you call yourself a host?!? I would give anything to come over there and teach you some MANNERS and RESPECT!!!

You can add “post-economic” and “post-democratic” to that list.

If a post-feminist world means we absolutely treat qualified women like garbage and then pretend it never happened — yeah, we absolutely live in a post-feminist world.

The women on this show are lying liars and should be ashamed of themselves for perpetuating this line of drivel. It is as destructive as it is false. And acting like the First Lady is “comfortable enough” with herself that she doesn’t have to be another Hillary is another false line of crap — it is obvious that her image is completely managed by the White House with makeovers, sweater sets and a fiddle de dee attitidue of “oh my hubby handles all that political stuff” because they are deathly afraid of an opinionated woman like her being “Hillary’d”.

I can’t believe how dishonest these two were on George S.’ show. Well, actually, I can — that’s what’s frightening.

Great article, pm317 — thanks for pointing out George Steph’s endless disrespect to Hillary — he cannot help himself. Last year at their town hall, he barked at her like a yapping little dog — she stood up, took charge of the whole process and once again, put him in his place.

I didn’t think it was possible for me to have less respect for him than I do already. “What is your role,” indeed! I’m their boss, George. I tell them what to do! Put that in your freaking pipe and smoke it!

Jamesey, sweetie!!

Larry said that about women with his tongue in cheek. It was a dismissive question, one he wouldn’t ask a man. Larry’s point was really what a bad mathemetician O is and facetiously used the anti-feminist comment to mock O, who is the real person who would think it would be bad to be compared to a girl. We all understood the tone Larry was taking. One of the signs of a good reader is being able to pick out the tone of someone’s writing. Guess you don’t read very well. OH! And here’s more proof of that: you did not notice that was not Larry who posted this report.

I am really convinced that you are one of those people who HAVE to think of yourself as much better, smarter, and wiser than anyone else on the planet. You are convinced of it. So, though you seem to come to O’s defense here, you also do so only grudgingly.

This is my last response to you, and we all should do the same–quit responding to your inane comments. Maybe you’ll go away and try to impress people on a different blog instead.

Yes, George got his 15 minutes climbing on the backs of the Clintons and has been screwing them over ever since.

pm317,

Thank you for keeping us posted about this stuff. I can’t bear to watch much television any more, so have been keeping myself busy otherwise. I count on the writers here to let me know how things are going. If I had actually watched that show, I would be in deep trouble at home since my t.v. screen would have been totally obliterated by all the things I could find to throw at it.

For George S. to ask those questions of Hillary causes me to feel very, very sad. To hear MO cited as a real feminist role model mades me feel completely, totally angry.

I have two sons and one grandson. If I ever get a granddaughter, I will make it my mission in life to make sure she does not in any way become like MO.

I can’t stand George. I think he’s scared to death of Hillary, so he goes on the defensive. I remember during the primaries, towards the end, Hillary was on his show and it was set up as a town hall meeting format. Hillary totally overpowered him, stood up from her chair, walked around, answered questions, wouldn’t back down to his questions and basically kicked his ass.

how did you manage to keep your head from exploding?!?

Well, I had a first draft of this post full of profanities aimed that little man and those little women. I had to clean it up for genteel reading.

Mission Accomplished.

Explain..

Sorry, Nom. I saw your comment at the end of the thread and it didn’t make sense.

Yes, I mentioned that above as well — I recalled that town hall fondly for that reason. She really took that little weasel to school that day!

Yep, she KICKED his little butt. Have you noticed the pattern? The brainier and seriously intellectual Clintonites from the 90s mostly stuck with Hillary in this election and losers like this little man with a huge ego and Rahm the foul mouth and others like them went to 0bama. What does that say?

and post-American

lol

PIA. Post-Intelligent America

Pm. It is everywhere. Not long ago I talked to a woman just before she went to hear a tech presentation. I was invigorated. I later told a friend that I had met on the phone someone who really understood some of the issues that have been troubling me in technology and privacy. He said back to me: Oh, really. Who was he?

My mother, my sisters and my daughters all appeared in my head and told me to call him a sh*t-head. I didn’t. I should have. Thank you for catching this. I can’t wait to hear your take on “Hey. They fired me too!” Dick Morris.

And remember when George quietly corrected Obama’s statement about his “Muslim faith” during an interview late in the campaign? It was a PERFECT opportunity and gotcha moment for a good journalist to address questions and rumors SWIRLING around the candidate. But no. Nothing of the sort happened. It was the elephant in the room but George couldn’t bring himself to talk about it and instead pretended it didn’t happen.

How ironic is it that the POTUS is treated like a tender little girl by the same media folks who insult and lie with impugnity when it comes to viable female candidates like HRC and Sarah Palin?

Does post-feminism mean treating women even more unfairly than before?

How dare you accuse the self-described liberal male of being sexist! The liberal male is here to help you guys out, be a nice guy, restore your faith in men with his boyish sheen of open-mindedness.

And, in return, all he expects/demands from the liberal fem is that she put out, not question his politics, and not give him a hard time.

Is that so hard?

Sheesh…

Get in line with the new generation of HopeyChange, people.

No, the treatment continues as before. But labeling it post-feminism will make them pretend that they did something about it and therefore can ignore it going forward and not call attention to that pesky little word, sexism anymore. We researchers call it defining the problem away. If they acknowledge it, then they are forced to confront it.

How ironic is it that the POTUS is treated like a tender little girl by the same media folks who insult and lie with impugnity when it comes to viable female candidates like HRC and Sarah Palin? Does post-feminism mean treating women even more unfairly than before?

Apparently so. And what’s worse than Stephanopoulos and Emanuel are the supposed-feminists who lash out at other women. They’ve abandoned everything feminists set out to accomplish…if they were ever really on board to begin with.

It says that all bad smells stick together like u know what! SH**

trying to be a lady here..

Oh, really. Who was he?

I know. It is quite inexplicable what happened during this past election. The surprising thing is it is counter to how the rest of the world is shaping up (in spite of other monumental problems they have). For instance, I see a hunger for a robust career in my Korean women students as never before, my nieces back home are relishing the new found opportunities (not talking about call centers but real technical/managerial jobs), and in Europe women are refusing to get married and have babies which is forcing men to become stay-at-home dads..I welcome others to counter my perception but we are going to go downhill if we don’t do something about this problem. In spite of all the wealth and intellectual capital, how many women are running the show, on our networks, in our fortune 500 companies and so on? It is quite disturbing to see those numbers.

JustMe, George was one of the top three campaign advisors to Bill Clinton when he ran initially for president in 1992. In fact, Joe Klien wrote the novel, “Primary Colors” (anonymously at first), basing it on the first Clinton campaign for president. It later was made into a movie by the same name. The main character was based on George Steph although the character in the book was AA. Joe Klien was also a member of Clinton’s WH staff. Klien could not say enough bad things about Hillary in 2008. He was an Obama freak as well as a NY Times freak.

George Steph became Clinton’s press secretary. Dee Dee Myers took George’s place when he left. As we all will remember during the 2008 election cycle, Dee Dee Myers was hawking her new book, interestly titled “Women Should Rule the World”, while she subtly worked against Hillary for president. Then Dee Dee’s Husband wrote a piece in Vanity Fair in April or May 2008 tearing Bill Clinton to shreads.

I have never seen such disloyalty from people who owe how far they have come to Bill Clinton. That includes many of the race-baiting, race-card playing AA’s who were also former Clinton WH staffers. It is sickening to say the least.

I have no idea how they look in the mirror each morning.

Great Read PM317.

Life has pulled me away from the Sunday spinning heads of late, thanks for confirming a suspicion I had of Georgie boy.

For him there must be quite a race to the bottom where all those MSM rating numbers are going…

I wonder about what it must be like for Hillary to get this crap tossed at her and actually be an expert at tossing it right back? Who has the time for it AND all the other crap on one’s plate….

Normally, I would think…What person would be required to master shutting down mysogynist pigs and not bat an eye, doing it so smoothly it’s not apparent to the perv, until later when his buddies rub his wounded ego in “it”.

I think this goes back to Stephanopolous’ life with the Clintons. I think he doesn’t like Hillary much and was getting back at her for some imagined slight. It was childish.

They look horrible.

You’re kidding yourself. Hillary and Bill have some similar talents and some different ones. She’s as smart as him, probably more disciplined and focus, possibly a harder worker. He’s a better politician, though. He gives a better speech and thinks more shrewdly about campaign strategy. Without Bill to pave the way to national political fame, no chance Hillary would have made it to the Senate. No way. This is not to say that she wouldn’t have done something else equally remarkable — maybe if she’s married someone else, Barack Obama would have just nominated her for the Supreme Court. We’ll never know. And my comments aren’t meant as a slight to Hillary, who (see my username) is a hero of mine. But Bill is a much better campaigner/politician. Much, much, much better.

Me, too.

Read his book. There was a problem in Bill’s administration that she thought was a direct link to Georgie. She called him on it. His anger is pretty obvious.

According to the UK Guardian, Richard Wolf has a new book out on Obama.
The headlines mention B.O’s vindictiveness, but critics fault the book as pandering. Our Scottish cab driver says he liked B.O. at first, but isn’t wild
about him these days. I suspect because the weak dollar is keeping U.S.
tourists home.

Oh guys, forgive this OT comment. You gotta try TeaPigs.
We had it last night for the first time. Yum.
I was going to give the URL, but that would make this spam.
It’s easy to find on the web tho.

Does post-feminism mean treating women even more unfairly than before?

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM

sorry, meant like Bush 2 and his mission accomplished banner re war in Iraq

I’m thinking post-human.

Stephanopoulos is not different than people like Bill Richardson – people who Bill Clinton had loyalty to who turned their backs on the Clintons.

Not to answer his question directly, I think in Obama’s mind Hillary’s role is to stay out of the way and not be in a position to oppose him in the future. However, I believe that Hillary is sitting back, being the good soldier, and waiting for the opportunity for payback.

James: we objected because it was an idiotic, offensive thing to say. Bill got his start on the skirttails of Hillary. You dufus.

pm13: post-racial, indeed. He’s the most racist public official we’ve ever had.

Anyone read the headline article on Obama mentioning Jesus Christ waaay more times in his public speeches than Bush? Pretty interesting. At the end the columnist states plainly that Obama is pandering to the white evangelicals and the black Christians. Why don’t we hear an uproar from the Democrats who whined that Bush was unconstitutionally mixing church and state.

Meanwhile, the Obama Democrats say there’s an appropriate place for “faith” in public life (did Dubya just teleport his spirit into the Democratic leadership for a day)? I guess if the Democrats inject the church into the state, then it’s appropriate.

George Stephanopoulus is a huge twerp. He’s an ordained minister and he can’t stand that Bill Clinton was so popular with the women. I wouldn’t be surprised if there wasn’t a good deal of jealousy as well. George was a good-looking bachelor when he was in the Clinton administration, but women were trampling over him to get a glimpse of Bill.

You know men and their sexual identities.

pm317: you are exactly right. The “youth” have no idea what a hero and champion Bill Clinton is. He’s the last real hero of the Democratic Party. He WON the nomination against all odds. I was sick to my stomach listening to my college step children tearing down the Clintons and singing the praises of Obambi. They STILL do it every time we see them–immediately start a hatefest toward Hillary. So, we just don’t see them.

trixta: LOL!

NorKs capture al gores reporters as spies, threaten atomic war, Bubba just WTF is Hillary’s job and why ain’t she doing it instead of taking shit off this midget george?

I know I am impressed. No, really.

You should’ve been watching the French Open final; much better on the blood pressure. I can’t stomach these shows anymore.

She is working on it but she still has to take this kind of abuse from little men like Georgie boy.

Somebody has to do the dirty job for everyone’s sake. If we don’t show our outrage how will they know when to stop.

“Gotcha” journalism has just gotten too tiresome to watch anymore. These people are boring, if you want to know the truth.

George Stephanopolous’ framing was insulting–likely with intent–but Hillary Clinton has the courage to face him down with a smile, so I just give her the credit for never backing down from a opportunity to provide her perspective. Every time she does, she wins.

“Post-feminist” world? What bloody rubbish. Women–pandering to their male corporate bosses in the media and political world like good little girls–calling it “post feminist” while doing their male bosses bidding. How about that for IRONY, huh?

Oh, yeah, they’re “post feminist” alright. Just another version of the victorian wives who were their husband’s property, I’d say.

I didn’t watch the show, and I’m glad I didn’t. I don’t watch them much anymore, because their so ridiculous–stupid, inane, pathetic–you just want to tear your hair out and scream at the television. When I do that, my poor dogs get alarmed.

“Gotcha” journalism has just gotten too tiresome to watch anymore. These people are boring, if you want to know the truth.

George Stephanopolous’ framing was insulting–likely with intent–but Hillary Clinton has the courage to face him down with a smile, so I just give her the credit for never backing down from a opportunity to provide her perspective. Every time she does, she wins.

“Post-feminist” world? What bloody rubbish. Women–pandering to their male corporate bosses in the media and political world like good little girls–calling it “post feminist” while doing their male bosses bidding. How about that for IRONY, huh?

Oh, yeah, they’re “post feminist” alright. Just another version of the victorian wives who were their husband’s property, I’d say.

I didn’t watch the show, and I’m glad I didn’t. I don’t watch them much anymore, because they are so ridiculous–stupid, inane, pathetic–you just want to tear your hair out and scream at the television. When I do that, my poor dogs get alarmed.

Don’t know how the repeat happened, but mea culpa.

OK, we don’t want to watch these shows; we don’t watch them. But these things happen over and over again, reinforcing their place in a culture. What do we do about it? The chief whipping post right now on behalf of all women in America is Hillary Clinton — mostly because she had the audacity and the ambition to take on the oldest and highest institution and its prejudice. How they treat her reflects a lot about this culture.

0bots who know nothing of life and experience and history, saying conveniently “not this woman” is being dangerously labeled as being post-feminist. mountainaires had it right when she said

“Post-feminist” world? What bloody rubbish. Women–pandering to their male corporate bosses in the media and political world like good little girls–calling it “post feminist” while doing their male bosses bidding. How about that for IRONY, huh?

Joe Klein was never a member of Clinton’s staff.

TWoP was much better before they sold out to Bravo. Can’t really blame them, lots of money, but the site has suffered.

Zing!

Thanks for the chuckle, shannon, however ironic it was.

All I know is this woman, Clinton, would do a better job then this Saudia Arabian plant known as a USURPER on the economic front. 9.4% unemployment and BHO thinks that giving more stimulus money scheduled to be released in 2010 is going to give us more jobs?

He must be on that sh***.

Here is what china is telling us:

China airs fears on US debt, dollar: lawmaker
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.59d40e44d29fb24306de4a8aee8d691e.891&show_article=1

I watched that show, too. Hillary knows what a patronizing little blankety-blank George is and she stays in the game and whups up on him, bho the fraud, the media chauvinist pigs and all other bully boys coming her way. She believes in herself, her abilities and her country, and as she said in the primaries, she is “impervious to insults” and quite aware how the relentless vitriol “deeply offended millions of women.”

With people we respect and trust, we make partnerships. With people we fear, we try to dominate with abuse. To the gentlemen who respect, trust and work with Hillary and her sisters around the world, thank you. To the scared bully boys who can’t grow up and instead try to dominate Hillary and her sisters around the world with violence of mind, body and soul, grow up.

Well, none of us have ever done that before, so bear down on it!

/snark

well said.

I’m sorry, I don’t understand. Why is the question, “what is your role?” not a proper question to ask? I mean, it’s a question put to a lot of people all the time. Why in this instance is it offensive?

I figured I wasn’t the only one that recognized this. The capture of these women is a State dept issue, and the media, of course, acts as if SECRETARY OF STATE Hillary Clinton doesn’t exist, interviewing on television everyone-but-Clinton, or they try to marginalize and trivialize her.

I swear, I don’t know how she doesn’t. She must really love this country because anyone else would have walked away by now.

THANK YOU HILLARY.

Exactly. I’m currently writing at letter of complaint to AMERIAN GREETINGS for having a card that portrays Hillary as President, with the words, “See, there are things scarier then getting old!”

REALLY, American Greetings???

I found the card to be extremely offensive.

I wonder about what it must be like for Hillary to get this crap tossed at her and actually be an expert at tossing it right back?

- I wonder about that as well. I’ve been saying it for years: She’s simply amazing. I honestly do-not-understand how she keeps going. I really don’t. She’s been putting up with so much bullshit for decades.

We still live in a sexist country and it’s become blatantly obvious.

Even though I agree that Bill is the better campaigner, I disagree that she would not have made it to the Senate without him. She has an interest in politics, she may have follwed that path without him.

Americans (and the Dem and Pub political machines) seem OK with electing women to the Senate. I dont think were going to see a woman president in my lifetime – maybe thats the real meaning of “post-feminism”?

What is your role RKStone? Sometimes I would say its “concern troll”, other times “bad faith questioner”, other times “willfully ignoring the point troll”.

Do you find theres “plenty of work to go around” in your role as board troll? Or do you and James Guglielmino sometimes come into conflict or feel redundant? If so how do you deal with this?

People put these questions to other people all the time, in no way should anyone find them offensive.

There is something disingenouos in Michelle Obama. Like Lizzie Borden pretending to be June Cleaver.

I’m not a troll at all. I don’t understand why people are upset that someone asked Secretary Clinton a question that is asked of people all the time.(“What is your role”?) I read the original article and some of the comments to it but those just assumed it was a bad question.

Did he really say that?

Yeah, what exactly is your role, woman? How do you fit in among these high-powered men?

Mind you, he could have asked a different question like “how do you envision your envoys working for you? What are their roles?” Or just plain ask about why have envoys?

I didn’t include my opinion in my original question because I was afraid that if I did, people would just call me names and I would never understand what the problem with the question was.

I agree, however it’s good Hillary is not on all these daily chat shows.
Hillary is right where she needs to be in the forefront, working for everyone here in the USA.
It is only the people with nothing better to do than dress up and go out and about the circuit of the show nothing do nothing msm.

If they had real jobs like Hillary they would not find the time either.

I always respected Hillary for her intelligents and determination. I didn’t like her remark as I read in WND, that ” OBAMA GOOD TO GO ON 3A.M. CALLS”, and also ” is an honor to serve him”. To ” serve him” not in a million years. I’m sure she knows the damage and danger he put our Country, our children, for generation to come. Maybe I’m wrong, but I can’t understand,how she accepted to be part of his ” adminitration”.

Without Bill to pave the way to national political fame, no chance Hillary would have made it to the Senate. No way.

Let me get this straight. All women senators have a husband who paved the way for them? How the hell do you know how her life would have shaped up without Bill? All we know from the very beginning of her Yale days and earlier is her desire and commitment to public service and fools like you, why is it so hard for you people to recognize that she would have got elected to the senate with or without Bill, IF she wanted it.

In what you say lies the root of sexism — that a woman needs a man or gets help from him, because of him to do whatever she wants. Is it possible that she was the one who egged him to to do everything he did? Is it possible that she took a backseat because she knew that people like you wouldn’t give her a chance? And was she not proven right by this past election by people like you and other 0bots who did not give her chance?

Your intent is exactly to sideline discussion by repeatedly asking for clarification and justification on points that are clear to everyone, yourself included.

You are a troll.

Just pony up and state your opinions, stop with the faux-wide-eyed-question tactic, nobody is buying it. Evolve from troll to “guy with different opinion”.

I will try to answer it for you assuming you really want to know. Though I don’t understand why I have to spell it out.

The lead into that question, high-powered team, envoys and how she fits in, and the questions after that presume an inferior position for her and of her. There is no respect for the office she holds; there is no respect for the decisions she has taken so far in running that department including appointing envoys to address the serious problems around the world. The question translates to “why do we need you?” when we have all these other high-powered people.

The SoS is directly in line for succession to presidency (unlike other cabinet offices) indicating its importance in the pecking order of the office of the presidency. For this little man Georgie boy to come along and ask “what is your role?” is beyond insulting. It is like asking the president, you have all these cabinet people, coterie of advisers, multiple agencies, what is your role, exactly? How do you fit in?
Do you see the absurdity of it? There are certain self-evident truths in the context of every office, or a position. You don’t ask evidence for it, because it is absurd.

A troll tries to end a discussion either by personally attacking someone or by taking the thread in a direction that has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. My question is honest, doesn’t call people names and is 100% consistent with the thread. So, I disagree that I am a troll.

So, why/how is asking Secretary Clinton what her role is, different than all the other times people are asked what their role is/was?

I think she said “serve with him”

Oh, some problem addressing the host of the blog regarding his post? Gosh, I (fucking) could’t have imagined. I am SOO sorry to have walked on your poor little toes, “brilliant one.”

Amen, pm317. That is exactly correct. Men have been holding the reins for so long, some of them are still completely blind to their own limited paradigm. Thank God it is some and not all.

But I don’t think we’ll see a woman president in my lifetime, no matter how qualified. The very idea is just too threatening – to the point that people would convince themselves this newbie with a traveling teleprompter was ready to lead this country in such a time of crisis rather than consider a more sensible alternative.

Knowing what we know about Bill Clinton concerning his lack of control and discipline (the opposite of Hillary), it has been said since he left office that Bill Clinton would never have become president without Hillary!

Unfortunately, women are more likely to sacrifice their ambitions to help with their husband’s and when it’s their turn to shine, the men jump in and say she succeeded only on the man’s coattails!

The case for Hillary lies in her having to run while dragging all of Bill’s baggage which was somehow viewed as “her fault”, take on a corrupt DNC determined to stop her at any cost, a totally biased MSM and a misognynistic nation, but she still won every major primary and the popular vote. What man has ever had to rise to that level? Zero.

No, it is Bill who owes Hillary.

I know I am brilliant. But I made the correction because I didn’t want you to hold Larry responsible for something I said. I speak for myself in this post but I know that Larry appreciates what I say. Then again at the end of the day who cares what you think/do.

newbie with a traveling teleprompter

ROFL!! right on the money.

Diana “daling,” no shit? You might trouble yourself to note that at least one woman on the blog commented. You also might trouble yourself to comprehend that I’ve been needling Larry. It isn’t like it is a big deal. However, real women, women who understand bad jokes, would object to Larry’s writing, tongue in cheek or not. I can only hope that “brilliant people” like you do not respond to my posts. Your view of the world is amazingly skewed and you are amazingly intolerant of opinions that don’t agree with yours….Last time I looked, people like that were appropriately called “wingnuts.” I am also pleased to see that you are able to read minds, at least mine. You go, girl!

Gugalooloo:

Such language for such a “learn-ed” individual.

I like how you always return to post after everyone’s left for the day. I guess business in slow in the vet world as well since you’re here posting and not attending to those “lovely” animals that can’t talk back:-)

Stop the cowardfest!

What is your role? He was intimating by mentioning the special envoys, Gates and Jones in the same breath that everything else was all sewn up and there wass’nt much left for Hillary to do — it was insulting in the extreme.

She is the boss — that’s what he role is — the envoys work for her — she is the chielf diplomat for the US, that is her role — the same role as every Secretary of State is supposed to have.

He was trying to intimate that she was somehow marginalized. And his comment “so there’s plenty of work to go around?” was likewise a way of saying — gee, you mean you aren’t just filing your nails and blowing puff balls into the air?

George misses no opportunity to try to diss Hillary — weatch his old footage throughout the election — that will tell you the entire story.

typo — wasn’t

I would have more respect for Hillary if she would resign from FraudObama’s cabinet. Why is anyone surprised that American reporters/journalists are sexists? Even if SOS Clinton performs well, they will never give her credit.

Does anyone in the Democratic party have any backbone to stand up to Obama’s fake presidency?

I agree. But isn’t it also true that women have to have put in more (calendar) years into whatever they do to even attempt to become CEOs (find me a woman CEO in her early 40s or less) or Presidents? I don’t know if it is a sacrifice or recognizing the practicality of the situation to let your husband go first. When was a good time for Hillary to have tried this? A woman with 0bama’s age, experience and incompetence would have been laughed out of the race.

pm317,

You’re right. An AA woman with the same credentials as obama would have never made it past the first caucus!

There will never be equatable treatment of women, if we continue to wait for men to offer it to us. Women have to come to terms with this reality, as well as come to understand that they will never be a real member of the boyz club, no matter how much they betray and attack other women in order to win the approval of the boyz. (Rachel Maddow is facing that reality and good riddance).

Every myth perpetrated by men in order to keep women from ever gaining power has been turned on its head and yet, women still have to face these ridiculous obstacles that are still being set up to protect the fragile male ego and at great cost to society as a whole.

What we are witnessing is the last battle of the patriarchy to hold on to power and control at all costs and, in the process, if we allow them to succeed, the fate of the world will almost surely be one of total destruction. Such insanity alone should inspire women to stand up and fight back for the sake of the children who will inherit this earth.

It is evident that the earth and humankind cannot endure any more “pissing contests” amongst the various patriarchies! We are already “drowning” in their after effects as it is and we are running out of time.

A woman with more experience and less incompetence was laughed out of the race.
–Sarah Palin

Ani– great comments about little Georgie. I like the way you always distill the issues to a fine, concise statement.

Yes, she was.

LOL!!!

“He was trying to intimate that she was somehow marginalized. And his comment “so there’s plenty of work to go around?” was likewise a way of saying — gee, you mean you aren’t just filing your nails and blowing puff balls into the air?

Or having tea parties with the spouses of heads of state like B0 claimed during the primary?

HRC is probably doing a hell of a job behind the scenes, and taking no credit.
Can you imagine the energy going into dealing with Korea, not to mention Gaza and Israel.

Come on! The role of Secretary of State is not exactly a new one. It’s pretty well defined. For you to defend that question as a valid one is either naive or ignorant.

As much as I hate Hillary having to answer to That One, I cannot imagine anyone else who could handle the job as well. I sleep better just knowing Hillary’s at work in the State Dept.

I don’t remember anyone asking Condi Rice or Colin Powell what their “roles” were as SoS, even though in those particular cases it might have been an excellent question.

I was shocked when I heard that geek George ask that question. I only wish she had got up and left – I don’t understand what the hell is the matter with men in general. This sexist behavior has to stop! I am so sick of it!!!!!!!!!!

Or dishonest.

I remember you from the primary days. You weren’t a Clinton supporter at all. You were a butthead bot.

pm317 — Pardon my rudeness for not mentioning earlier how much I appreciate your writing. This post is so relevant now, especially to those of us old enough to remember some of the “battles” women had to fight just to get equal pay. (I’m still not sure that battle is over.) I get so sad and frustrated when I hear young women expressing disinterest in women’s lib because they don’t think it’s an issue anymore.

Thank you, Portia. Where would I be without fine readers/commenters like you?

now that he’s a “convert” his NEW name shall be

George StephaPUNK-olous! As he drools and froths over his new Bambi love. Bill has rebuked him one too many times, I guess. Obambam is where the dirty money is these daze!

imho and not to start an argument..but i think that,s the other way around…

probably break it..

i.m with you same reason..

you did good..

AMEN…………..

History channel…

i don’t watch any of those shows anymore.i knew if i came here i.d get the real scoop.thanks((hugs))

pm317, thanks for an excellent post.It shows that Georgie has not changed in being a rude person to the most qualified candidate for the POTUS, Hillary Rodham Clinton.She is my unsung heroin! So loving of her country to endure the snubbish people like George & most of all,to work for BHO’s administration.SOS Hillary Clinton is my “idol”. I always think of her, especially, when I feel downgraded,I’ll get up and fight !Hillary, thank you!

If George S. had only wanted to know the role of S of S, he would have had his interns look up the answer. Asking the S of S during the interview, what is her role as S of S, was a different question altogether.

Little Geo—a 5 ft. 2 in. pissant. What an absolutely lousy interviewer he is. His questions were elementary and moronic. Poor Hillary having to suffer these fools.

Biden looks like he’s riding through space and time on a dementia-mobile. God help us.

George Stephanopolous is the consummate opportunist. His bony a– would not be in the seat it is in without the Clintons. As for the idea that Michele Obama is the perfect balance of Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton(traditional with an ivy league ed for creds)let’s think about it.Women of the boomer generation with professional degrees made up a large percentage of the vote Obama got.Why would that be when one of their own was ready to run the country? One who is quite simply the most remarkably accomplished woman of our time? I’ll tell you why because countless numbers of these women – friends of mine for a lifetime – were among them. They found ways to justify holding Hillary back because it made them feel better about themselves and the fact they still were uncomfortable being powerful themselves.

Hillary was carrying everyone’s baggage for them.Now George gets on there and will not allow Hillary to get into substantative matters because it works for him to negate her. He can’t take her on ,on the merits. Please. And, Ani I hope you’re wrong about a woman president in our lifetime but I concede it to be likely.Michele has been with a collosal egotist for quite awhile.She’s willing to play it his way.She doesn’t get credit for Hillary’s strengths because she doesn’t display them as far as I can see.

Consider my statement of us not having a woman president in our lifetime as me throwing down the gauntlet — hoping to be proved wrong.

However, at this point, I see no indication that I will be. 2008 was a year that saw misogyny procalimed “cool” and people are out there pretending it didn’t happen. I personally know 50ish year old Obama supporters who had his hope poster hanging on their wall who swore up and down Hillary got fair media coverage. It would be funny if it weren’t so horrifying. Their bias and derision of her was appalling. And what they said about Sarah Palin, you don’t even want to know. Good liberal Democrats. The cognitive dissonance is beyond belief.

Duh….dear one, sentient, intelligent, open minded people care what I say. What those like you would have here is the opportunity to preach to your choir and smile and wave while they sing hallelujah back at you. So, no…you’d rather I not be here. I don’t choose to take the time to point out all of the utter crap that is posted here but you can bet your useless little life that I will have something to say about some of the posts. That it leads to some discomfort for people like you, pleases me.
For some odd reason…odd because in spite of the non-liberal nature of the host, and his love for using snark when he refers to President Obama, he is able to overcome his own prejudices and praise when he is able to understand that Obama has done something good….this blog seems to be the home of many people who feel rage in their hearts for Obama. Asked to explain it, they look at you with wide eyes and have no answer. Some seem to be left from the campaign and that is funny because Hillary Clinton has demonstrated so much courage and love for her nation by accepting the appointment to Secretary of State. She has led. So many of you dolts just don’t care to follow. But, you know…you can lead an ass to water. You can’t make it drink. Then, there are the people here who are refugees from some rightwingnut blog…You can always tell them because they have no tolerance for anyone’s opinions except their own, do not hesitate to make ad-hominem attacks and scream like stuck pigs when someone calls them what they are…You seem to fit here. What about it. Do you love torture? Do you love being lied into a war of choice? Is your idol Dick Cheney?

Your stupid distortion of my last name says everything that needs to be said about you, little girl.

While I don’t view that as an unreasonable argument, I also don’t buy it. Bill Clinton was driven, I suspect, by all the things that drive people to go into public office. Not the least of these was ego. Part of that drive, I suspect, is somewhat pathological. Hillary may not have had that disease and she may not have developed the need to run for any office, especially president, if she hadn’t gotten the taste of it through her relationship with Bill.
Given that more and more women are becoming interested in politics, it is very possible that she might have but equally possible that she might have made a long and brilliantly successful career in law. It would be nice to be able to ask and get an insightful answer, a tough thing to do. Even she may not have the answer. Whatever the case, she isn’t near done. She is already making a large impact as Secretary of State and as a female, with a longer life expectancy, she might be able to make a run for President when Obama is done. If she does, much of the baggage that she accumulated from Bill’s days in office and in the Senate will be forgotten and she might run with a clean slate as well as the positive of having been a big part of a successful Obama administration.

Yeah…(dufus) that makes sense. After all, she WAS governor and then President. He then ran for Senator and later President. Yeah….I got it.

I think it’s funny that (little toad) George thought to include Joe Biden as High Powered… Biden is a complete moron! Funny how he was the only one who would run with Obama as a VP candidate too! Surely explains a lot! I mean come on… Jerry’s Subs and Pizza are even making fun of how stupid he is in their commercials now… LOL
George is challenged by Hillary because she’s smarter then he is… LOL

James,

You should read the biography of Bill Clinton, specifically the beginning of his political career in Arkansas. After Bill lost the governorship after only one term, he became very depressed and laid on the couch and felt sorry for himself. He lost all of that drive you speak about. It was Hillary’s drive that got him to stop feeling sorry for himself.

First and foremost, Bill is not disciplined. You absolutely must have discipline in order to win political office and Bill’s first defeat really did him in. It was Hillary who got him off the couch and ran his campaign the second time around. Funny thing, many men don’t want to give her credit for his success but they have no problem blaming her for his bad behavior! In fact, during the South Carolina primary Bill made some statements about Jessie Jackson, which hurt Hillary, and because of this, had to fade back into the shadows more because what his words being be used against her!

Despite all of this, she still won every major primary and was the people’s choice by winning the popular vote. It was Bill who ultimately made things more difficult for Hillary because of our misognynistic nation and a huge double standard when it comes to women running for office.

Exactly!!!

I agree with pm317- it’s hard to imagine George asking Joe Biden the same thing, even though it probably could be an appropriate question given Biden is VP and essentially isn’t responsible for anything whatsoever, regardless of what the media think. Nonetheless, George labels Biden part of the “high-powered team.” It almost sounds as though George doesn’t think Clinton is really even part of that team and he is essentially asking her to demonstrate/prove that she is.

I also think he was trying to play off the media’s ongoing obsession with the idea that Hillary will be absolutely incapable of getting along with other high-ranking members of the administration (you know, because she’s a b*tch and an egomaniac) despite absolutely no evidence at all that that is the case.

HRC was named one of the top one hundred attorneys of the U.S., which had nothing to do with Bill Clinton or his coattails.

I guess Bots like the James love torture and perpetual war because they still support their Idol president who is continuing Bush’s policies.

Well said, Kathleen!

We’ve also reached a post-economic stage too!

I find that many young women (and not so young) would rather be a “cool ho” than a feminist.

Or if they claim to be feminists (e.g. Naomi Wolf), their idea of feminist enlightenment is to advance a patriarchal agenda.

LOL!

Post-intelligent too!

RKStone–to ask a question like that betrays your age. So many of you Bot youngins speak without any historical context.

Leave bozo Biden alooone! Who else can we count to pull back the curtain on the Obama regime. Let him stay put, if only for comic relief. It always amazes me –with undiluted delight!– how Biden manages to reveal Obama as the fool that he is.

Look, you are saying exactly what I am saying but in a different way. I said that Bill Clinton was ego driven, that he had a massive need for the kind of spotlight that high political office provided him, something that Hillary Clinton MAY not have had in the beginning. You seem not to understand that I am arguing that he may have had a NEED that she MAY not have had. OK, let me ask try to make my point in a slightly different way. Can you imagine Bill Clinton losing a primary as Hillary did and THEN having the courage and desire to serve his nation that Hillary demonstrated? While there is still much to be admired about Bill, finally, it was his arrogance, his huburis that destroyed his presidency. In addition, many people believe that she is smarter than he is.

That’s because YOU ARE WRONG. Hillary got her start on the coattails of…Hillary. Bill didn’t even know her when she was chosen to give her highly acclaimed commencement speech at Wellesley, and then to go on to Yale Law School. Did he have anything to do with her stallar academic career, and then her groundbreaking work with the Children’s Defense Fund, or her being chosen one of the best 100 lawyers in America–twice? Read something about her 30 years of deep and broad public service work. Your attitude is the epitome of sexism: she didn’t earn it herself–Bill paved the way. If you watched any of the debates, you would know this is nonsense. Hillary is not second best to anyone.

sfHillary

Ya, and without George H. Bush Sr. little Georgie Bush Iraq Baby Killer Georgie would have been in the toilet! Hell, why is it that only women get blamed for their family connections, eh? Moron!

Bush Daddy Sr’s daddy Prescot Bush made his money from banking Hitler’s fascist projects in Germany preWar War II. Wake up!