do as i say, not as i do…?

Re the Met, eight people have been suspended pending further investigation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/10/met-police-waterboarding-claim

I trust conservatives much more than liberals…….not even close..

I trust neither camp.

I don’t trust either as a group! I’m in favor of outlawing political parties and prosecuting violators under the Rico Statute. Let the bastards run on their own merits alone!

I agree, trixta. Both groups have proven themselves untrustworthy. I also agree with PO’dVet. I will never vote strictly along party lines again.

Let the bastards run on their own merits, indeed!

Amen,

For many years now the leftist factions in Europe have been forcing liberal/socialist/fascist policies in their countries, and the results have always been dissasterous. Whenever ultra-lib policies have been reversed (Ireland, Czechoslovakia, Poland) the results have been very positive. Until just recently, European countries could tinker and experiment with socialist policies and only risk relatively local problems as a result. They could afford the luxury of social/economic experimantation because they could always rely on the principle capitalist engine of the world (the USA) to act as a lifeboat when their experiments crashed on the rocks.

Now, when these countries see Obama punching huge holes in that lifeboat, they’re getting understandably concerned and nervous. They’ve begun to realize that not only can the USA no longer be relied upon to help correct the global economic melt down, the Obama policies are exponentially adding to the problem. They are terrified that Obama, with his extreme and rapid move to the ultra left, is crushing the only chance this world has at restoring and preserving free market capitalism and individual liberty.

Since Europeans have a limited ability to guide or influence American government, they’re doing the only thing they can by acting locally and moving their own countries back to the right, they are much more familiar with the failure of socialism than Americans are. I hope (and I’m sure Europeans hope) that we can stop this statist cataclysm in the US before it’s too late. The lefties always love to point to European countries as models of social and economic maturity that should be emulated. Well, let’s try to copy their sudden shift to the right.

Consider this: Europe has been adhering to Socialist principles for the last 40 years, and what did that get them? A ruined economy, families with 3 generations of welfare recipients, horrible medical services, escalating drug addiction, and violence and threats from growing Muslim immigrant communities.

So now, the pendulum is swinging in the other direction: fiscal responsibility, capitalism, and the rule of law.

Europe is teetering on the brink of collapse. The whole European Union thing was an attempt to mask their collapsing economies. But now even the EU cannot hide the real situation. So Europeans are starting to wake up.

The funny thing is that now the US is adopting all of Europe’s failed methods: socialism, bad medical services, legalizing drugs, making Christianity illegal, allowing Muslims to dictate policy by way of threats, etc etc.

Kudos to Europeans for waking up. In some ways it’s a hopeful message: socialism is evil, corrupt and destructive, and eventually people see that. Even Europeans.

I spend A LOT of time in Europe and let me tell you something needs to be done about the illegal immigrant situation there. It’s worse then here! This is why the public has done a reversal to vote in Conservatives to do it. The Liberal Governments (with open door policies) have created a nightmare in Europe.
DONT FORGET TOO that what we consider a Conservative here isn’t really the same in Europe. Conservatism there is much more mild then it is here. I think Switzerland is going to be sorry they joined the Schengen Treaty allowing for borders to be freely open to the rest of Europe. Already the prostitution/crime in Geneva has gotten so bad that police activity is a daily occurence.

So now their gettng rid of it and wer’e getting it. Too bad BO wouldn’t get the message but he won’t. Can we kick him out of our house now?

making Christianity illegal

Pray tell, what country did this?

legalizing drugs

Newsflash, Booze is legal in the US, and much worse than the soft drugs that are decriminalized in a few Euro-countries.

bad medical services horrible medical services
OK, now I know you’re just and idiot with a big mouth and a small brain.

When was the last time you lived in Europe or even visited there?

Europe is teetering on the brink of collapse.

Uhhhhhm, got any facts to support this ridiculous statemnet, or are you confusing Europe with America?

It’s not surprising that Europe is lecturing us, since our Pretender in Chief is still using training wheels. EU can afford to act superior about govt. now that they’ve apparently begun steps to correct the problems caused by leftist views. Perhaps they hope “a word to the wise” will keep us from going down that same path. The only trouble is there’s no one wise enough in D.C. to listen.

How is Obama’s economic program of bailing out the big banks and Wall St. a move to the ultra left? Even the GM bailout is suspect as a socialist move—the govt is the biggest shareholder, not labor and not certainly bondholders (many of whom represent pension funds for working people). If Obama was truly socialist, he would be mailing every taxpayer in the US his or her shares of GM, B of A, Citi, Chrysler et al. I have not seen my shares in the mail, have you? No, we do not get to be shareholders, just debt holders, forever and ever.

We do not have a rise in socialism here. We have a black and ominously growing cross between facism—as in state run everything for the benefit of government and political elites and a Russian style communism dedicated to mediocrity or much less for all. So I repeat:

How is Obama’s economic program of bailing out the big banks and Wall St. a move to the ultra left? Even the GM bailout is suspect as a socialist move—the govt is the biggest shareholder, not labor and not certainly bondholders (many of whom represent pension funds for working people). If Obama was truly socialist, he would be mailing every taxpayer in the US his or her shares of GM, B of A, Citi, Chrysler et al. I have not seen my shares in the mail, have you? No, we do not get to be shareholders, just debt holders, forever and ever.

When the US went in to get Saddam, I told people, “That is wrong. We woudl never stand for another country coming in and taking out our President, even Bush.” Well, now I am starting to think someone will have to come and get our President out. The entire world depends on it. I would be thrilled to see them come and save us. I never thought I would ever think that way about a President of the United States. And Obama probably would be cowering in some hole when they found him, too (or maybe just partying in the White House with his buds). It’s a little Ironic that we went to rid Iraq of it’s evil leader and now we got one of our own! Karma is a bitch, baby!

SARA HERE: not sure if this is *threateningish…

We have had great society style socialism for decades now. That isn’t new, but maybe this quote will help.

State intervention in economic production arises only when private initiative is lacking or insufficient, or when the political interests of the State are involved. This intervention may take the form of control, assistance or direct management. —Benito Mussolini, 1935

We have more than one thing happening at once. That is for certain.

It hasn’t been just liberal govts with open door policies, center right hold the same policies. The right controls the govts of all but 7 nations (Portugal, Austria, Spain, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Bulgaria) plus the UK, yet the their policies are “leftist” in comparative terms to the US, as you say.

I agree, lack of immigration control is a very serious problem in the EU.

Gov. Palin gives every Alaskan a SHARE of the Oil Revenues

I wonder if anyone is calling her a socialist? ROFLOL!

Names are useless. Promises are empty rhetoric.
Actions are what COUNTS with me.

Walk the walk or STFU (Bambi)

italy has lots of problems with immigration as well. which is why the EU is reluctant to open up the borders with Turkey… and want Obama to shut up about it. haha

The French don’t mirandize terrorists.

Whoa!
That’s a scary comment!

I have to agree.

The POTUS is even appointing czars to oversee key industries. My guess is these are in effect surrogate shakedown artists who will, in exchange for political patronage, assure industries’ interests. They’ll be scratching each others’ backs.

I apologize if I sound like I’m scolding. But you should be aware that a web site could be shut down if someone should misinterpret what we say here. I know that sounds a tad paranoid, but stranger things have happened.

Amen, trixta, Amen, Peggy Sue. A pox on both their houses! No “party” can count on my vote ever again–

Party Unity My Ass!

And Amen, to you, PO’dVet & Churl–this is starting to sound like a prayer meeting! So Hallelujah! (just thought I’d throw that in there . . . )

The bank failures, AIG failure, and failure of GM were fundamentally caused by socialist/fascist/statist government policies. Does the CRA ring a bell? And while the GM bond holders should have been first in line to be paid off, Obama scarfed up the bulk of the assets and gave most of the rest to the UAW as a political payoff. Not only is this unethical, it is likely unconstitutional.

The so-called bailouts have amounted to an unequaled tresspass into the private economy by the Obama administration in an obvious move to gain coercive control of privately held entities, that is the classical definition of fascism. He is now targetting health care and the dispensation of energy for similar control using wild and preposerous claims that perilous crisis’ will occur without government intervention. And no, Obama is not making us all stock holders, he is making us slaves to the state.

Even though the government forced banks to make bad loans (Obama and his leftist buddies in ACORN and congress had a big hand in this too), large banks like Freddie, Fannie, WaMu, and Citi are somewhat guilty of greedily skimming a profit off of each bad loan they adopted, and were all burned when the bubble burst. In free market capitalism they would have been allowed to fail, and although it may have been painful, the lumps should have been taken. Bailing them out at taxpayer expense IS ABSOLUTELY a far leftist move, and it is only re-inflating the same balloon, and when it bursts this time there will be no one left to bail out anything.

And please, don’t make the mistake of classifying fascism as far right. Fascism, socialism, communism, and totalitarianism are ALL on the left side of the socio/poltical spectrum. On the right side is the rule of laws that are designed within the strict constitutional confines to protect and preserve the unalienable rights granted to individuals by their creator.

Off topic but it’s all over the blogs but haven’t seen it referenced here. Letterman referred to Palin as a slutty stewardess in his top ten list and then joked about her 14-year-old daughter, Willow, getting knocked up at yankee stadium by one of the sports figures–as though a reference to statuatory rape was a ha-ha moment. Really disgusting.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/06/09/letterman-jokes-about-the-statutory-rape-of-14-year-old-willow-palin-funny/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/06/09/letterman-attacks-sarah-palins-slutty-flight-attendant-look

I guess for those in the media misogyny is okay as long as it’s directed at republican women and their duaghters.

Hello BlueTopaz,

Thank you for the most telling part of your comment: “now I know you’re just and idiot with a big mouth and a small brain”

You have a very erudite style. It speaks in your behalf.

I wish you a grand day.

Thanks for that chilling citation, Doc. And this “great society socialism” is known as, uh, “fascism,” as Mussolini applied it. Benito drove around in a 1942 Fiat sports car, and now Fiat has taken over Chrysler after big government “help,” because the “political interests of the state” were involved. I just don’t like the way these associations are constellating in my brain.

Amen! Amen! Amen. Excellent comments.

Politics are a pendulum: Ronald Regan came to power because of Jimmy Carter. People wanted a man as a president. So they went with Regan.

In the same way, people voted for Obama because unlike Bush he can speak. Be it as it may that I’m a conservative, every time Bush said “Nukular” in a speech, I cringed, and so did others, and they voted for Obama, because he could speak. Pendulum at work again.

The problem is that Obama is not competent, and all the fancy words he uses are written by Brown and Berkeley grads. At least if Clinton (Hill-Dog) was in power we would have had a tough-as-nails woman who knows her stuff, and not a Chicago con-artist.

Again, thank you for your comments. Europe is waking up.

Europe is waking up.

I wonder if they are going to take American refugees? If they are, will we need to give the Statue of Liberty back to them?

******** Administrator: Problems with the system! *******

- When I put a comment/reply to BlueTopaz, even though it was polite (and a tad sarcastic) it disappeared.

- When I gave a kudos comment to Onofre’s arm, it appeared as it’s own comment and not as *under* Onofre’s arm’s comment.

I have to laugh, especially at the British, when those over there look down their noses at us. The blogs associated with their newspapers house the worst offenders. One minute they complain bitterly about the Yanks invading their boards, and the next they anoint themselves as cosmopolites interested in all points of view from all over the world, when, in fact, they are more provincial than a mid-west farmer. Perhaps they are referring to themselves in the secondary definition of the word: organisms found world-wide.

big chuckle! DOC LOL

I think they shoot them then and there. Vive la France!

We do not have a rise in socialism here. We have a black and ominously growing cross between facism—as in state run everything for the benefit of government and political elites and a Russian style communism dedicated to mediocrity or much less for all.

‘Nuff said!

PRAISE THE LORD and pass the ammunition..

oh.no..she is ours forever and ever.

GE is the most prominent and potentially abusive example of an evil symbiosis between Obama’s Constitutionally unhinged pay to play shadow government, and a private entity seeking the leverage and protection of an unethical government. GE expects to profit enormously by the global climate hoax, among other phony Obama promoted issues, and Obama is rewarded with sickeningly over the top propaganda from the suck-ups at NBC,MSNBC who get their paychecks from GE. Gee (no, GE) what a big happy (criminal syndicate)family.

Well, tillthen, occasionally the Brits visit our boards here, and as you know, we always go out of our way to make them feel welcome.

I’ll go check it out…

…as well it should be.

I find this talk about losing the Statue of Liberty, in these days of extreme uncertainty for America, oddly suggestive of the great song by Paul Simon, “American Tune,” the last 3 stanzas of which go like this:

And I don’t know a soul who’s not been battered
I don’t have a friend who feels at ease
I don’t know a dream that’s not been shattered
or driven to its knees
but it’s all right, it’s all right
for we lived so well so long
Still, when I think of the
road we’re traveling on
I wonder what’s gone wrong
I can’t help it, I wonder what’s gone wrong

And I dreamed I was dying
I dreamed that my soul rose unexpectedly
And looking back down at me
Smiled reassuringly
And I dreamed I was flying
And high up above my eyes could clearly see
The Statue of Liberty
Sailing away to sea
And I dreamed I was crying

We come on the ship they call the Mayflower
We come on the ship that sailed the moon
We come in the age’s most uncertain hours
and sing an American tune
Oh, and it’s alright, it’s all right, it’s all right
You can’t be forever blessed
Still, tomorrow’s going to be another working day
And I’m trying to get some rest
That’s all I’m trying to get some rest

This is really not off topic, because it’s about them and us and who’s calling who what. While we’re taking Brits ‘n stuff, you might like to know about the DVD “The Cambridge Spies”. Its stupendous. I had to order it from AmazonUK and it’s in Reg 2 format so you need an all region dvd player, a good investment, cuz you can get some good shit from AmazonUK. I never fully understood the characters involved, but this is a great look at them. It’s a 2 dvd set, cost 8pounds6 which includes shipping. 237 minutes of pure entertainment. A real bargain. Got it in 5 days. It’s tough to draw an analogy between them and the Fraud. They were incredibly brilliant, highly principled, background……no, there’s no similarity, except for the institutions, Cambridge and Ivy League.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009PBTC/ref=ox_ya_os_product

I stand by my comment. The fact that you won’t answer my questions or support your absurd statements speaks volumes ON your behalf. Prove to me that you do not have a big mouth and small brain by answering my questions. I’m especially curious to know which EEC country has outlawed Christianity. Oh yeah, how much time have you spent living in Europe (recently) so you can tell us first hand how awful things are there. Btw, being stationed with the US military doesn’t count. You don’t experience the benefits of their healthcare and relatively stress free work conditions by drinking beer at the Hofbrauhaus.

Have a “nice” day. (because I don’t believe that you are a Paddy, just a passive agressive poser with a big mouth and a small brain)

make that “aggressive”.

Sorry, it’s only one DVD. You know us Yanks, we can’t get anything right.

Some good news from the heartland, actually Florida. On Saturday, I went into Appliance Direct to look at dishwashers and the salesman escorted me towards an array of GE units, upon which I told him, no, I’m boycotting GE, whereupon he said, gee, I’ve been hearing that from a number of customers.

It works. When you post it people read it and some don’t buy.

BOYCOTT GENERAL ELECTRIC.

Yeah, and hasn’t the Obama admin intimated that it wants Chrysler to build an affordable green car for the masses? This remindes me of Hitler’s Volkwagen (car for the folk).

Actually, fascism is an ideology that can infect both the Left and Right. For example, Hitler and Mussolini’s versions of nationalist socialism on the Right, and Stalin’s totalitarianism on the Left.

Entirely incorrect. Hitler and Mussolini were both far left by even modern standards. The Nazis and communists were constantly fighting each other for the same turf on the left, and that struggle created the long held misconception that because they were at war with each other that they were on opposite sides of a left/right political scale. Not true, they were brothers fighting each other over minor distinctions. This distortion of reality had further reinforcement over time by leftist ideologues that were trying smear the right by equating them with Nazis based on the laughable notion Nazis were the polar opposites of far left socialists/communists. Again, a complete falsehood. Your misconception of the issue is a good demonstration that the distortion campaign has been somewhat successful.

Onofre, are you arguing that Naziism and Communism are essentially one and the same? I don’t think you can collapse one with the other. It appears that you want to absolve the Right of any fascist tendencies–which is quite suspect, at best. I will grant you that there is a strange phenomenon where the extreme Left and extreme Right overlap; however, to say that fascism is only endemic to the Left (as Jonah Goldberg argues) is not just misguided, but disingenuous. Nationalist Socialism is a particular expression of Right-wing fascism, which both Mussolini and Hitler advanced; Stalinist Communism is Left-wing and as such quite another expression. What they do have in common is that each is viciously anti-democratic and authoritarian, although they are subtended by different ideological frameworks and narratives.

As we have seen with both Bush and Obama — our unique forms of modern day Right-wing and Left-wing fascists — corporatism, statism, and authoritarianism are common to both, but their narratives are ideologically different.

But perhaps this is all splitting hairs, because either way this country is f#$%%ked (!), since it continues to be assaulted
by anti-democratic and authoritarian forces.

Scott: a voice of reason. Americans need to get wise about “immigration.” Illegal aliens are not immigrants. These people have a devious agenda and they are backed by corporations and our federal government that all benefit economically and politically from importing millions of people into the country illegally who will in the near future replace legal Americans.

That’s the agenda, so, people, enjoy your cocaine and pot and crystal meth from Mexico. You’ll need it even more once the hispanics take over and send all the whites and blacks to concentration camps, or expell us from our own country. Unfortunately, Americans today have the same immigration policy as the Native Americans and it’s going to work out the same.

If you haven’t been writing your so-called representatives, I invite you to do so. You’ll be amazed what these politicians think is good for the U. S.

Dear BlueTopaz,

Using big words like passive-aggressive and poser does not make you smart. And thank you for excluding (from being able to comment) and insulting US armed forces.

If you knew anything about the financial, working, living and cultural conditions in Europe (other than what you hear on NPR) then you would know that I know exactly what I’m talking about.

Alas, you are looking at a mirror while you are making your comments, so everything you’re accusing me of is what actually you know is what describes you.

Last word: I enjoy reading this site because of the excellent comments of some visitors. This is my last post answering your negative comments. I rather focus on the smart stuff being said here, and the intelligent visitors, instead of your bratty and low-brow comments.

I hope one day you get an education beyond what you hear in NPR. And shame on me for taking the time to answer your comments. Why do I bother? Ah well.

Have a grand day.

Crank It UP OOWAWA!!

(ya crazy pilgrim)

lol j/k

If you think the word “poser” is big, than that is more evidence that your brain is small. I don’t think I’m smart because I use those “big words”, I think I’m smart because I speak 6 languages and did not vote for Obama or Bush. Can you say the same??? From your posts I suspect you voted for W. am I right? I guess you’ll never admit to that just like you won’t answer my ?s.

I believe you know by now that I did NOT “exclude” you from commenting. I don’t think I have that power. Besides, why would I? Your comments are so ignorant, they make me feel even smarter. Thx for that.

My comments about the military are only offensive to someone like you and W. I met many Americans stationed in Europe during the 15 wonderful years that I lived there. They are guests, not citizens. There is a difference.

Last Word: Since I’m responding to your post which states that that would be your last post, then I have the last word ROTFLMAO.

If you do decide to break your (last;–) word and comment again, make sure to answer my questions. Especially the one about outlawed Christianity. That one is the biggist clue that you are a right-wing nut job.

Have an educational day, you really need it.

Oh dear, BlueTopaz,

Your intelligence is running over, especially when you say “Last Word: Since I’m responding to your post which states that that would be your last post, then I have the last word ROTFLMAO.”

A. Very very mature.
B. What is that thing in your mouth? Oh my! The size of it! How did you fit THAT in your mouth? Enjoying it? What is that thing? Oh dear!

I knew you’d break your (last) word.

You are sooo funny! To quote YOUR dear leader, “Bring it on”. Thank you for reminding us that Bushbots are STILL just as mindless as Obots. Some people (Neanderthals) never learn.

Still unable to answer my questions? What a shocker. Whose intelligence is running over? I am amused by your lack thereof.

Is your attention span so short that you can’t remember what you wrote just seconds before?

“A. Very very mature.
B. What is that thing in your mouth? Oh my! The size of it! How did you fit THAT in your mouth? Enjoying it? What is that thing? Oh dear!
“

Very charming, are you a writer for David Letterman? Do you even read your own sh!t before you post it?

You are very funny, not in a witty way, but in an ignorant way. Be careful, though, you’re going from humorous to pathetic, but at this point, I’m still ROFLMAO.

Blue Topaz,

How can you speak with that thing in your mouth? Oh dear, oh dear, that thing is huge! Wow! Huge!

Oh, that repetitious razor sharp wit, and SOOOOO very mature! Wow.

Face it, buddyboy, you lost this battle of wits (have you EVER won one?). But don’t let that stop you from answering my ?s. Maybe this will help. Pretend you’re supporting the statements you posted, as opposed to answering the victor’s valid ?s. Even someone as thick as you can do that if you put your small mind to it.