Democrats are Hypocrites and too Genteel!

And President O is excited by the bloody riots “robust debate” now taking place in Iran.

Good post, pm317.

I used to smugly think about our fair elections in the U.S. and feel sorry for the people in other countries where the “elections” were fixed.

Since this last selection, I am not so smug. I know this election fixing has been going on for a long time in the U.S. in various states, counties, etc. I just always thought those cases were isolated and that whenever they were discovered they were fixed and the people doing the fixing were punished.

I didn’t realize I was believing a fantasy until recently.

I feel sorry for the people protesting in Iran. Now I feel sorry for them not because I feel I live in a better “democracy” but because I really do know how they feel.

Yes–and think how many years they have had to put up with it, too. I hope we don’t get similarly cornered. Many people I know who voted for Obama said, “Oh, well, it’s only for 4 years–if it doesn’t work out, he’ll be out of there….” If we are extremely lucky, it will only be 4, which will be bad enough.

Thanks for the post, pm317. I was thinking the same thing.

Well said, Diana. I always felt the same way about our election system. 2008 was a rude awakening for me. It amazes me how people in this country just go about their lives and have no clue about what has happened and is going on. One day they will wake up and wonder how they became subjects of a dictator. Then it will be too late, I fear.

We’ve all had a reality check in the last few years, Diana. My husband and I were looking at the scant TV coverage of the Iranian fallout and both agreed that Iran was having a Bush/Gore moment. But certainly what the Dems did last year is right up there in the Hall of Shame. In fact, I found it ironic that Jimmy Carter scoots all around the world insisting on fair elections. But I don’t remember a peep out of him at last year’s US primaries.

I’m amazed the MSM isn’t all over the Iranian story. God knows it’s bigger than Miss California. But I guess I’m dreaming when it comes to decent coverage.

Has Obama made a public statement about the fallout, beyond celebrating “robust debate?” If so, I haven’t heard it.

I was thinking the same thing watching the pundits talk about how Iran had “rigged” elections. We are so higher and mightier and morally superior on our high horse. Just see how we had a woman candidate for both parties hope and change and how we can elect a regular person like governor Palin such an elegant person as our President. Snarks aside though, we don’t elect a person President… we “select” from the two parties choices offered to us. Even then, with the heavy handed media influence the outcome is not equitable.

Yes, 2000 was a huge wake-up call. I remember an exchange between a couple of Rep and Dem pundits…the Rep using the “get over it” slap in the face and the Dem saying “I’ll never get over it.” I felt the same way and it made 2008 even worse. If you never forget, you’d move heaven and earth to make sure our next election was honest and earn back the trust of the nation. As it is, it’s been made even worse. I’m so ashamed of the Democrats. I’ll never go back and yes, I know just how the Iranians feel.

The recent election of a “moderate” (was it Lebanon?) being referred to as “The Obama Effect” by the media instantly translated to me that it must have been a stolen election. Again, the people were following the example of the American God by electing a moderate. How stupid is that?

PS: I just read the Iranian gov’t is bringing out the tanks. Bloody battles in all the major cities and a demonstration by the opposition called for tomorrow. According to the twitter messaging they’re calling for death to Khamenei, unthinkable in the past.

Where the hell is our media on this? The reports indicate that all news outlets in country have been attacked, internet shut down. Twitter has become the journalistic medium of necessity.

If the reports are credible, it sounds as if Iran is literally ripping apart. The conservatives really screwed up this time. Unreal!

This is our money at work. We funded the opposition, and most likely influenced their Campaign Plan. Read this story:

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-6-30/72675.html

Covert U.S. Operations in Iran Expanding, Says Hirsch
Seymour Hirch’s July 7th article in the New Yorker heightens speculation of a Military Strike on Iran
By Amir Talai
Epoch Times New York Staff Jun 30, 2008

NEW YORK—The Bush Administration has implemented a major escalation of counter-intelligence operations in Iran, according to a report by journalist Seymour Hirsch in The New Yorker.

Up to $400 million was sought by the Bush Administration for covert operations aiming to destabilize Iran’s current Islamic leaders and gather increased intelligence on Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

According to Hirsch’s sources, the covert operations were expanded through a Presidential Finding (directive) written to Congress late last year.

Hirsch’s article, “Preparing the Battlefield,” appears in the July 7 edition of the magazine.

Rob McEntire, a spokesperson for the U.S. State Department, declined to comment on Hirsch’s report or funding for counter-intelligence operations. However he said, “Our general policies toward Iran are sanctions aimed at changing Iran’s behavior and exchanges to reach out to the Iranian people.”

While the Bush administration has encouraged the diplomatic process in regards to Iran’s nuclear program, President Bush has stressed that “all options are on the table.”

Given the unpopularity of the war on Iraq, some speculate that it is unlikely the Bush Administration would be using covert operations as an intelligence source in preparation for a pre-emptive military strike.

However, Hirsch cited the resignation of the commander of the U.S. Central Command, Admiral William J. Fallon, as a sign that the administration is moving towards an attack on Iran. Fallon has publicly stated that a military strike on Iran would be a major blunder.

President Bush has provided a regular dose of sentiment and support for the Iranian people in his recent speeches, including a speech he gave on a trip to the United Arab Emirates.

“To the people of Iran: you are rich in culture and talent,” Bush said in his U.A.E. speech. “You have a right to live under a government that listens to your wishes, respects your talents, and allows you to build better lives for your families.”

“Unfortunately, your government denies you these opportunities, and threatens the peace and stability of your neighbors. So we call on the regime in Tehran to heed your will, and to make itself accountable to you,” Bush said in the address.

Additional reporting by Christine Lin

Exactly. It’s hard not to see the parallels with the 2008 election. The Democratic party nomination was “rigged.” Whether it was the cheating in the caucuses (bussing people in, intimidation, bullying, stealing forms, etc), stuffing ballots, ACORN registering people over and over, registering dead people). Or the party giving delegates to someone who was not on the ballot or splitting delegates that weren’t his, or not allowing a roll call at the convention.

I mean, what is the difference???

We have no moral high ground to stand on.

Yes, enumerating the fraud brings back that sickening feeling in my stomach. Was it only a year ago that they killed the Democrat Party? Look at how much damage he’s done in only 6 months. Seems like he’s been in for years.

BTW, I used to refer to the Democratic Party. Hardly seems to fit now.

Obama’s non-stealthy meddling really helped create this mess.

The man in charge of the armed forces and the national media just about controls averthing, even elections.

even my spelling–;(

I wonder if we had started throwing molotov cocktails during the RBC meeting May 31, 2008 if Obama would have referred to that as “a robust debate”. Now we couldn’t even protest for fear of being thrown in jail for “preventive detention” and never heard from again. Then we would also be labeled terrorists unlike the guy that killed the recruiters 2 weeks ago in Arkansas. Anybody seen any follow-up to that story? I’ve seen some on Dr. Tiller (not enough)but nothing on the soldiers that were killed doing their duty.

What happened in the 2008 US Democratic “primaries” is that Hillary won almost all of the primaries and she won the large ones by large margins. Obama, and his Chicago political operative machine, were better organized in the non-democratic caucus process. A caucus is a party event that takes a lot of time, money and organization. Real normal voters, by and large, do not go to caucuses. A primary is a simple democratic election in which you drive or walk down to the local school or town hall and cast your vote, usually in a matter of minutes. A caucus is often not as close to your home, is at a specific hour when you may have work, school, or kids to watch and it can take a few hours, during which you have to listen to speeches and grind through the operations of local party politics. Obama excelled at that, shipping in busloads of homeless Chicagoans to rural Iowa to “vote” in caucuses – where they didn’t even live. This is how you steal an election. The rules are badly constructed and favor a manipulative machine like Obama’s.

I heard Sean Penn remark that “now we have an elegant president” what the meant I’ll never know.
This comment is not a comment on your comment (couldn’t help but chuckle) only that you reminded me of Penn’s “elegant” remark.

Only on Fox but then I don’t do the other news anymore. They’ve had the father of the young man who was killed on; no more word on the wounded soldier other than the families had been in touch. Pretty telling.

They’ll have to take control from the Mullahs for any chance of change. They are the real “leaders”. Now that would be a revolution!

Why don’t all states just have primaries with printed ballots & secret voting like normal people?

Hall of Shame

Agreed,
Not to outdo you but I wish I could come up with another word because “Hall of Shame” seems too nice a description.

Probably the same thing when Biden described Obama as “mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”

Because primaries favor the voice of the voters, while caucuses favor the political machines, and each state’s party is allowed to organize its nominating process in the way it wants to.

If major civil unrest in Iran progresses, the price of oil should jump tomorrow, and the price of gas will soon follow. Are we headed for severe economic disruption?

Primaries also cost a lot more, but despite that, IMO, there should be no caucuses, all primaries.

“Killed the Democratic Party”? What the hell are you talking about? Obama got a higher percentage of the vote than any Democratic candidate in 44 years plus there were huge gains in the Senate and House. Party identification also went surging back to the Democrats.
“Damage he’s done in only 6 months”? His approval rating is over 60%. You might not like the job Obama is doing but most people do.

What do you stupid Obots grow on trees?

Stop the stupidfest!

You called me a name. How proud you must be.

It was easy! Thanks for the opportunity!

Stop the ding dongfest!

Agree: It was the cost that was the factor here in Colorado that meant the primary was a caucus rather than an election. The caucus meant far more organizing. In Colorado only people registered as a party member were supposed to participate, which is not true in all states. And, as in most states, only people living in the precinct were supposed to vote in the precinct. But, since the caucuses had not ever attracted the enormous number as it did this last presidential cycle, many county chairs were not prepared. It’s clear people voted who were not registered Dems. People voted in the wrong precinct, so who knows how many precincts they voted in, etc. I could go on. In my county, the chair spent the entire night going through the tally sheets because it had been so chaotic. She is a stickler for details and rules. She ended up throwing out over two-hundred votes of people who voted illegaly. But in counties where the chairs were O supporters, that attention to detail probably did not occur.

There is a movement to get rid of caucuses here. If it doesn’t happen, I will not participate in that sham again.

Yep when the price of oil/gas start to hit American in their pocket book look how quickly some of them are going lose their smiling faces and start to pray that things cool down.

I wonder if this is going to be an encouraging sign of robust prices for the Obama clan.

Actually Hillary received more votes, and more delegates than anyone in history, anyone. Obama was handed 55 from Michigan, but he wasn’t even on the ballot. It is against the rules and bylaws of the DNC to award delegates that were designated for ‘undecided’. So the DNC at the RBC meeting broke their own rules and handed the ‘undecideds’ to Obama. On top of that they gave him a few of Hillary’s just for good measure. With these unearned delegates in his grubby little hands he was chosen by the DNC to be the nominee. The MSM kept this all very hush-hush, which explains why many people don’t know the truth.

http://blog.hill4pres.com/2008/06/12/another-stolen-election.aspx

That is a fact. Obama is responsible for hyping “change” over there without actually doing anything real to help bring “change”. This is starting to be a pattern.

The frst anniversary of the death of a beloved is tough. We’re feeling grief and loss while we waken to the truth we could never before see. Take heart: the Obots, too, will have their epiphany.

In Iowa, less than 29% of people live in cities with populations over 50,000. Yet 42% of Dem caucusers reported to live in cities over 50,000. On the Republican side, only 12% reported living in cities of 50,000+.

That’s quite the disparity, even if you expect city people to be more Dem than Rep.

Obama took 40% of city voters, Hillary 23%.

That accounted for 7% ((.40-.23) * .42)of Obama’s margin in Iowa. It would likely include out of state college students and people that he bussed in from Chicago offering free food for the trip and walking around money.

But many of those votes were from independents and Repugs. Look at the party affiliations as they stand now. I had been a Dem since ’72 and left the party over this. It must be hurting the party, the number of people like me who left since I have gotten calls from the national party asking if I might come back.

I do not like our meddling in politics of other countries. Every time we do, it comes back to bite us in the hind end. Look at the meddling we did in Iran before via Sadaam and how that came back to haunt us.

That said…..I do hope the opposition in Iran does make headway. Ahmadinejad is a loonie who also thinks he is some sort of religious messiah. Those of you in the Gay/Lesbian community, don’t you remember his fairly recent trip to speak at Columbia where he declared there are no homosexuals in Iran. (The audience, of course, laughed. They knew the only reason there are supposedly none is that if they are outed they are brually tortured.)
He is controlled entirely by the head religious mullah (can’t remember his name).

The history of Iran is so rich. There are many highly educated Iranian ex-pats in the U.S. Many left because of the crazy fundamentalists.

It would be great if the fundamentalists were overthrown.

It was not just the caucus shenanigans. Remember DNC’s RBC gifting delegates from MI and FL to Obama he didn’t earn. According to riverdaughter, if he was not given that gift he would have been 50 or so delegates behind. He was already behind in popular vote. He did not win the primary. They carried him over the finish line. Now think about Iran.

I, of course, meant the votes during the GE.

we “select” from the two parties choices offered to us.

If that is the case, we should demand that they get rid of primaries (and caucuses) altogether and save taxpayer money.

Yes, you’re absolutely right. I think they gave him Hillary’s 4 delegates in addition to the gift of 50+ delegates from MI.

I know it’s wrong to encourage and support riots and violence but I am impressed with these Iranians who are going to the streets.

Yeah, I think most Americans are way too complacent.

Excellent!

Yea but she didn’t scratch her nose in that Obama style.

ANY Democratic canidate would have received a huge percentage of the vote in the GE. It had NOTHING to do with Obama and everything to do with how much people loathed Bush and the Republican party.

I think I like the way you react.

Amen!

I concur!

Also, I can see from the video that Canada is taking a stronger stance on this than the USA.

*shaking head*

“Don’t worry about freedom in Iran,” Ahmadinejad said at the news conference after a question about the disputed election. “Newspapers come and go and reappear. Don’t worry about it.”

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090614/D98QME7O0.html

They did this because Obama would still have been short 4 delegates after being gifted 52 of Hillary’s delegates and spending 1 billion dollars while gaming the caucuses. So they gave him an extra 4 delegates of Hillary’s so he could “win”. He hasn’t won a single thing ever. All he ever does is steal electiosn. He is not the person to ask about Iran’s voter fraud. He will have no comment because he himself is a fraud. Payback’s a betch Obama. Have fun dealing with the other dictator. Bite it.

Lieberman says:

“[T]hrough intimidation, violence, manipulation, and outright fraud, the Iranian regime has once again made a mockery of democracy, and confirmed its repressive and dictatorial character,” Lieberman said in a statement.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23720.html#ixzz0IRTtaMdB&D
Now let me do it my way which is what I was thinking too.
“[T]hrough intimidation, violence, manipulation, and outright fraud, AND DEATH THREATS the Iranian Obama regime thugs hashave once again made a mockery of democracy, and confirmed its repressive and dictatorial character,” Lieberman PUMA’S said in a statement.

“[T]hrough intimidation, violence, manipulation, and outright fraud, the Iranian Obama regime campaign has once again made a mockery of democracy, and confirmed its repressive and dictatorial character,” Lieberman said in a statement.

How about what Lieberman said.
“[T]hrough intimidation, violence, manipulation, and outright fraud, the Iranian regime has once again made a mockery of democracy, and confirmed its repressive and dictatorial character,” Change the words to show the similarity to the 2008 primary.

Gee did you all read what Lieberman said?
It mimics the 2008 priamry.

Link?

I heard Hillary make a sound bite on the election news. The look on her face was interesting. It made me wonder if she was having flash backs.

I’m trying to link what Lieberman said but spambot won’t let me. now what?

Oh it went through. Here is the link. Sorry, I don’t visit there..I just got it from someone. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23720.html#ixzz0IRTtaMdB&D

Yep, sounds very much like 2008 primary.

NEW YORK—The Bush Administration has implemented a major escalation of counter-intelligence operations in Iran, according to a report by journalist Seymour Hirsch in The New Yorker.

OK why did they blow CIA ops Mrs Wilson was involved with???

So they increase ops after shutting one of the only games in town down by leaking it?

Seymor needs his Wheaties.

Damage he’s done in only 6 months”? His approval rating is over 60%.

Hey Paper, meet Rock.

Even Evil Knievel had an approval rating “over 60″…Especially as he bounced down the ramp like a rag doll.

but damage was done. SO?

There are a lot of myths about my injuries. They say I have broken every bone in my body. Not true. But I have broken 35 bones. I had surgery 14 times to pin and plate. I shattered my pelvis. I forget all of the things that have broke.

Evel Knievel

oh wow, yeah–those are stronger words. I prefer that.

Peggy Sue,

Carter is not the solution, he is part of the problem and always has been! I’ve been an advocate for election reform for over 7 years and we have begged Carter to read the mountains of evidence we’ve sent to him from citizens who have uncovered the most incidious corruption within our elections process and he has totally ignored our requests. Why? Because he isn’t about fair and honest elections!

If Carter were interested in real election reform, he would be working to fix the corruption here in our own country, instead of running around pretending to aid other countries to conduct fair elections. Carter, like Obama, is a sham, groomed and placed into power by the same people (Soros and Brezinski) in order to obtain the agenda of a one world government. You can’t achieve that with fair and honest elections and a government of, for and by the people.

What we just witnessed in Iran has been going on American elections long before Bush/Gore. That election, like obama’s was simply the blatant impatience of the power elite to achieve their agenda. The only difference is that the Iranian people have had a taste of what it’s like to live in a dictatorship and, as a result of that experience, took to the streets to protest the election fraud!

Perhaps, the American people will have to go through the same horrors of losing their freedom before they will wake up and fight for these precious freedoms, which are slowly being taken away from us every day.

Open your eyes America. We have met the enemy and he is us in our refusal to see what’s right in front of us!

Caucuses are democratic dinosaurs. After the Hillary-bashing and unDemocratic Party’s intervention into the results (to favor Obummer) it has become obvious that Dr. Lynette Long’s crusade should continue. I’m still waiting to see a documentary on the rigged O-caucusing and for the registering of hundreds of dead voters and their ressurection by the Obama fan club.
Tehran/Fla./Michigan. Same concept. Same thuggery. Same results.
I will wait until a book is written on the Primary Fraud and how misogyny helped elect Barry-O the Anorexic Resume to the White House.

I could not have said it better myself

Nor I.

Hopacrisy displayed at it’s finest.

When will I see a book next to the right hand margin here entitled: “The Stealing of the Primary of ’08″ with documented evidence (Dr. Lynette Long) of the thuggery and actual caucus fradulent procedures initiated by the Obamabots to gain control of a primary they lost.

You’re not the only one who see’s America (democrats and republicans) as corrupt and out of touch black lungs.

The thing that kills me is the corporate media jackasses trying to drive this into a frenzy campaign of some sort. Stirring it up as much as they can. The media is used as a tool of the sick and corrupt politicians around the world and is a symptom of world black lung syndrom.

Whatever. I would rather have my serenity than go on getting angry over problems that will never be fixed.

Has any prosecution of ACORN been made since the “election”? Have any questions been raised over the 800,000 + Obama gave them? Crickets eh? Just what we knew would happen.

Also what’s with Obama making the visitors list to the White House off limits? When will it stop and who will stop the take down of America?

Obama wants the price of oil to go up whether the American public can pay for it or not. The price of oil has to go up in order to make us buy those cars Obama is going force GM to make.

I had the same thought regarding the similarity of last year’s events and Iran’s election…lots of parallels. I was still told to get over it…just this June, when I testified before the Texas Legislature considering a voter id bill. Dems were all against….