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		<title>By: Karl Pavloff</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1231738</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Pavloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still waiting for your reply Larry.</description>
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		<title>By: Karl Pavloff</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1229976</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Pavloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You basically avoided all of the five questions that I asked you Larry. Then you went on to various speculations instead of addressing the scientific facts. Why? Regarding the molten metal question. Have you seen this video? http://tinyurl.com/53pjr2 Google the video &#039;NIST John Gross + molten metal&#039; and then ask yourself who is lying.

The majority of the people are waking up and are questioning the events of 9/11. What we are asking for is a new, independent and thorough 9/11 investigation. Why are you so afraid of that Larry? 

Of course we all know that our US governnment and particularly the CIA would never lie to the American people or engage in anything illegal or involve themselves in any sort of cover-up. Right Larry? (sarcasm off)

Read the document entitled &lt;strong&gt;41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 &lt;/strong&gt; – &lt;em&gt;Official Account of 9/11: &quot;Terribly Flawed,&quot; &quot;Laced with Contradictions,&quot; &quot;a Joke,&quot; &quot;a Cover-up&quot; &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You basically avoided all of the five questions that I asked you Larry. Then you went on to various speculations instead of addressing the scientific facts. Why? Regarding the molten metal question. Have you seen this video? <a href="http://tinyurl.com/53pjr2" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/53pjr2</a> Google the video &#8216;NIST John Gross + molten metal&#8217; and then ask yourself who is lying.</p>
<p>The majority of the people are waking up and are questioning the events of 9/11. What we are asking for is a new, independent and thorough 9/11 investigation. Why are you so afraid of that Larry? </p>
<p>Of course we all know that our US governnment and particularly the CIA would never lie to the American people or engage in anything illegal or involve themselves in any sort of cover-up. Right Larry? (sarcasm off)</p>
<p>Read the document entitled <strong>41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 </strong> – <em>Official Account of 9/11: &#8220;Terribly Flawed,&#8221; &#8220;Laced with Contradictions,&#8221; &#8220;a Joke,&#8221; &#8220;a Cover-up&#8221; </em></p>
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		<title>By: Pestulant Beastie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1221126</link>
		<dc:creator>Pestulant Beastie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry was quoted as stating:

Larry Johnson: “When the attacks unfolded the Bushies were shocked and alarmed.”

Ha, ha, ha.  Nice try, Larry.  Bush continued to sit in that classroom in Florida for another 20 minutes after being told as to what just happened.  The look on his face was as though it was disbelief that it actaully took place - AS PLANNED!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry was quoted as stating:</p>
<p>Larry Johnson: “When the attacks unfolded the Bushies were shocked and alarmed.”</p>
<p>Ha, ha, ha.  Nice try, Larry.  Bush continued to sit in that classroom in Florida for another 20 minutes after being told as to what just happened.  The look on his face was as though it was disbelief that it actaully took place &#8211; AS PLANNED!</p>
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		<title>By: Pestulant Beastie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1221121</link>
		<dc:creator>Pestulant Beastie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public (June 22, 2009)

&lt;strong&gt;As official videographer for the U.S. government, Kurt Sonnenfeld was detailed to Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, where he spent one month filming 29 tapes: &quot;What I saw at certain moments and in certain places ... is very disturbing!&quot; He never handed them over to the authorities and has been persecuted ever since. Kurt Sonnenfeld lives in exile in Argentina, where he wrote « El Perseguido » (the persecuted). His recently-published book tells the story of his unending nightmare and drives another nail into the coffin of the government’s account of the 9/11 events. Below is an exclusive interview by Voltairenet.&lt;/strong&gt;
Kurt Sonnenfeld: &lt;em&gt;There were many things, in hindsight, that were disturbing at Ground Zero. It was odd to me that I was dispatched to go to New York even before the second plane hit the South Tower, while the media was still reporting only that a “small plane” had collided with the North Tower — far too small of a catastrophe at that point to involve FEMA . FEMA was mobilized within minutes, whereas it took ten days for it to deploy to New Orleans to respond to Hurricane Katrina, even with abundant advance warning! It was odd to me that all cameras were so fiercely prohibited within the secured perimeter of Ground Zero, that the entire area was declared a crime scene and yet the “evidence” within that crime scene was so rapidly removed and destroyed. And then it was very odd to me when I learned that FEMA and several other federal agencies had already moved into position at their command center at Pier 92 on September 10th, one day before the attacks!&lt;/em&gt;

http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public (June 22, 2009)</p>
<p><strong>As official videographer for the U.S. government, Kurt Sonnenfeld was detailed to Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, where he spent one month filming 29 tapes: &#8220;What I saw at certain moments and in certain places &#8230; is very disturbing!&#8221; He never handed them over to the authorities and has been persecuted ever since. Kurt Sonnenfeld lives in exile in Argentina, where he wrote « El Perseguido » (the persecuted). His recently-published book tells the story of his unending nightmare and drives another nail into the coffin of the government’s account of the 9/11 events. Below is an exclusive interview by Voltairenet.</strong><br />
Kurt Sonnenfeld: <em>There were many things, in hindsight, that were disturbing at Ground Zero. It was odd to me that I was dispatched to go to New York even before the second plane hit the South Tower, while the media was still reporting only that a “small plane” had collided with the North Tower — far too small of a catastrophe at that point to involve FEMA . FEMA was mobilized within minutes, whereas it took ten days for it to deploy to New Orleans to respond to Hurricane Katrina, even with abundant advance warning! It was odd to me that all cameras were so fiercely prohibited within the secured perimeter of Ground Zero, that the entire area was declared a crime scene and yet the “evidence” within that crime scene was so rapidly removed and destroyed. And then it was very odd to me when I learned that FEMA and several other federal agencies had already moved into position at their command center at Pier 92 on September 10th, one day before the attacks!</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: tanabear</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1220546</link>
		<dc:creator>tanabear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onofre&#039;s arm: &quot;The 9/11 truthers are obviously crazier. It would require thousands of people to be in on the conspiracy that truthers have proposed.&quot;

You don&#039;t have any idea about the number of people required to pull off this operation, much less to assume it must be in the thousands. 

&quot;...and not a single one of them could break ranks or the whole insane plot would be exposed.&quot;

To break ranks after 9/11, would be tantamount to confessing to mass murder. Most people will not do that voluntarily. 

“&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Not one big success of the Mossad has ever been made public&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;”
Ephraim Halevy, head of Israel’s Mossad from 1998 until 2002</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onofre&#8217;s arm: &#8220;The 9/11 truthers are obviously crazier. It would require thousands of people to be in on the conspiracy that truthers have proposed.&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have any idea about the number of people required to pull off this operation, much less to assume it must be in the thousands. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and not a single one of them could break ranks or the whole insane plot would be exposed.&#8221;</p>
<p>To break ranks after 9/11, would be tantamount to confessing to mass murder. Most people will not do that voluntarily. </p>
<p>“<strong><em>Not one big success of the Mossad has ever been made public</em></strong>”<br />
Ephraim Halevy, head of Israel’s Mossad from 1998 until 2002</p>
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		<title>By: tanabear</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1220533</link>
		<dc:creator>tanabear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onofre&#039;s arm: &quot;ridicule is all that’s left.

In regards to 9/11, that is all the defenders of the official conspiracy had from the beginning. Ridicule and propaganda are the only things that can be used against the Truth Movement, because there is no evidence supporting the official conspiracy theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onofre&#8217;s arm: &#8220;ridicule is all that’s left.</p>
<p>In regards to 9/11, that is all the defenders of the official conspiracy had from the beginning. Ridicule and propaganda are the only things that can be used against the Truth Movement, because there is no evidence supporting the official conspiracy theory.</p>
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		<title>By: tanabear</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanabear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Onofre&#039;s arm: &quot;ALL of the ACTUAL events, from girders being launched hundreds of feet, to metal failure and the collapse of building 7, have very simple and straight forward explainations that fall within the parameters of physics.&quot;

Yes they do. The World Trade Towers were blown up top-down through the aid of explosive charges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onofre&#8217;s arm: &#8220;ALL of the ACTUAL events, from girders being launched hundreds of feet, to metal failure and the collapse of building 7, have very simple and straight forward explainations that fall within the parameters of physics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes they do. The World Trade Towers were blown up top-down through the aid of explosive charges.</p>
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		<title>By: tanabear</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1220528</link>
		<dc:creator>tanabear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig Della Penna: &quot;...despite the vast tonnage of scrupulously detailed reporting done by engineers, scientists and architects, all of which have confirmed that 1) the planes hit the towers and 2) the towers went down because of this&quot;

Please, point me to where this has been confirmed????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig Della Penna: &#8220;&#8230;despite the vast tonnage of scrupulously detailed reporting done by engineers, scientists and architects, all of which have confirmed that 1) the planes hit the towers and 2) the towers went down because of this&#8221;</p>
<p>Please, point me to where this has been confirmed????????</p>
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		<title>By: tanabear</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1220527</link>
		<dc:creator>tanabear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry Johnson: &quot;You ignore the contemporary video of a firefighter predicting the imminent collapse of Building 7.&quot;

No, I don&#039;t ignore that. There were many people who said that WTC7 was going to collapse before it actually did. The BBC reported it had already collapsed while the building was still standing! When buildings are brought down via a demolition people normally know about it beforehand. This is, therefore, evidence of demolition.  

Larry Johnson: &quot;You and your crowd of nuts cannot provide one shred of evidence that there was any effort by anyone to place explosives in the three buildings that collapsed in the month prior to the attack.&quot;

That is because there has been no investigation into the matter. If there is a murder, an investigation is usually to find out who did it. But if an investigation is thwarted and evidence is destroyed it is often difficult to discover the responsible party. You want the 9/11 Truth Movement to provide answers before there has been an investigation. 

Larry Johnson: &quot;How were the wires inside the buildings connected to the detonators outside the building and why did no one see those wires?&quot;

There are wireless blast initiation systems available. 

&lt;strong&gt;HiEx Technologies Ltd&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;&lt;em&gt;Our TeleBlaster telemetry blast initiation system was designed for blasters by blasters ; a wireless blast initiation system used to safely initiate commercial explosives blasts.

We&#039;ve worked hard to introduce and develop telemetric blast initiation in B.C. since 1999, proving radio remote initiation can be safe and extremely efficient&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;

Larry Johnson, &quot;With respect to your questions you do not have to melt steel. The temperatures were high enough to soften the steel. Soft steel loses its load bearing capability.&#039;

What evidence do you have that the steel got that hot? NIST found that only 2% of the steel tested on the perimeter columns got over 250C(482F) and none of the core columns. In fact, NIST states,  &quot;Microstructure tests showed no steel reached critical half-strength values 600 C[1,112F).&quot;

Larry Johnson: &quot;the collapse starts in the South Tower, which had been struck by a plane at a lower point in the building. The collapse of the North Tower, not surprisingly, starts at the point of impact of the plane.&quot;

No, the &quot;collapse&quot; did not start at those points. That is where the demolition charges first started. 

Larry Johnson: &quot;When the attacks unfolded the Bushies were shocked and alarmed.&quot;

Bush didn&#039;t seem too alarmed sitting in that classroom, Larry.  

Larry Johnson: &#039;Unlike you I have worked in the Government and know firsthand how dysfunctional and incompetent it can be.&quot;

Yes, the Government can be quite incompetent. That is why it is obvious to anyone paying attention that 9/11 was a false-flag terror operation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Johnson: &#8220;You ignore the contemporary video of a firefighter predicting the imminent collapse of Building 7.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t ignore that. There were many people who said that WTC7 was going to collapse before it actually did. The BBC reported it had already collapsed while the building was still standing! When buildings are brought down via a demolition people normally know about it beforehand. This is, therefore, evidence of demolition.  </p>
<p>Larry Johnson: &#8220;You and your crowd of nuts cannot provide one shred of evidence that there was any effort by anyone to place explosives in the three buildings that collapsed in the month prior to the attack.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is because there has been no investigation into the matter. If there is a murder, an investigation is usually to find out who did it. But if an investigation is thwarted and evidence is destroyed it is often difficult to discover the responsible party. You want the 9/11 Truth Movement to provide answers before there has been an investigation. </p>
<p>Larry Johnson: &#8220;How were the wires inside the buildings connected to the detonators outside the building and why did no one see those wires?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are wireless blast initiation systems available. </p>
<p><strong>HiEx Technologies Ltd</strong> &#8220;<em>Our TeleBlaster telemetry blast initiation system was designed for blasters by blasters ; a wireless blast initiation system used to safely initiate commercial explosives blasts.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve worked hard to introduce and develop telemetric blast initiation in B.C. since 1999, proving radio remote initiation can be safe and extremely efficient</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Larry Johnson, &#8220;With respect to your questions you do not have to melt steel. The temperatures were high enough to soften the steel. Soft steel loses its load bearing capability.&#8217;</p>
<p>What evidence do you have that the steel got that hot? NIST found that only 2% of the steel tested on the perimeter columns got over 250C(482F) and none of the core columns. In fact, NIST states,  &#8220;Microstructure tests showed no steel reached critical half-strength values 600 C[1,112F).&#8221;</p>
<p>Larry Johnson: &#8220;the collapse starts in the South Tower, which had been struck by a plane at a lower point in the building. The collapse of the North Tower, not surprisingly, starts at the point of impact of the plane.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, the &#8220;collapse&#8221; did not start at those points. That is where the demolition charges first started. </p>
<p>Larry Johnson: &#8220;When the attacks unfolded the Bushies were shocked and alarmed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bush didn&#8217;t seem too alarmed sitting in that classroom, Larry.  </p>
<p>Larry Johnson: &#8216;Unlike you I have worked in the Government and know firsthand how dysfunctional and incompetent it can be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the Government can be quite incompetent. That is why it is obvious to anyone paying attention that 9/11 was a false-flag terror operation.</p>
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		<title>By: psikeyhackr</title>
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		<dc:creator>psikeyhackr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conservation of momentum is about mass hitting mass.  The collapse of the north tower is the top 10% progressively hitting the lower stationary portion.  So talking about the conservation of momentum without talking about the distribution of steel and concrete in the towers is complete nonsense.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=21925.0

So why can&#039;t the NIST tell us the total amount of concrete in the towers.  What is so difficult about providing a table specifying the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE on every level?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conservation of momentum is about mass hitting mass.  The collapse of the north tower is the top 10% progressively hitting the lower stationary portion.  So talking about the conservation of momentum without talking about the distribution of steel and concrete in the towers is complete nonsense.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=21925.0" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=21925.0</a></p>
<p>So why can&#8217;t the NIST tell us the total amount of concrete in the towers.  What is so difficult about providing a table specifying the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE on every level?</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. We can debate all day about whether the planes and fire should have knocked them down. I don&#039;t believe they should have. Other planes have flown into steel skyscrapers (Florence, Italy and Florida) and skyscrapers  have burned much longer at much higher temperatures (Madrid) without the skyscrapers falling. But WTC 7 had neither of those things happen to it. It did have all the SEC files on Enron and that investigation as well as many others disappeared after 9/11. 
That movie shows how the fire was not enough - it was mostly black smoke and fires giving off lots of black smoke are not that hot and are going out. 

I thought the video was fascinating personally. I watched it years ago and a week after I watched it I found out my dad and my Bible teacher were both &quot;truthers.&quot; I am a big fan of the truth personally. Plus it really pisses me off that we will send someone to jail for life for stealing a couple videos or doughnut holes but if you are a rich politician you write reality and everyone else buys it. Come on people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. We can debate all day about whether the planes and fire should have knocked them down. I don&#8217;t believe they should have. Other planes have flown into steel skyscrapers (Florence, Italy and Florida) and skyscrapers  have burned much longer at much higher temperatures (Madrid) without the skyscrapers falling. But WTC 7 had neither of those things happen to it. It did have all the SEC files on Enron and that investigation as well as many others disappeared after 9/11.<br />
That movie shows how the fire was not enough &#8211; it was mostly black smoke and fires giving off lots of black smoke are not that hot and are going out. </p>
<p>I thought the video was fascinating personally. I watched it years ago and a week after I watched it I found out my dad and my Bible teacher were both &#8220;truthers.&#8221; I am a big fan of the truth personally. Plus it really pisses me off that we will send someone to jail for life for stealing a couple videos or doughnut holes but if you are a rich politician you write reality and everyone else buys it. Come on people.</p>
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		<title>By: goldengrahme</title>
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		<dc:creator>goldengrahme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then explain away WTC # 7.  The smoking gun
in this ongoing mystery. No jet fuel, no impact--
just a controlled demolition of a huge building
falling symetrically down into its own footprint.

And to my thinking, the final unanswered question is what happened to all the passengers on four
airplanes?  They just seemed to have vanished into thin air, along with their carriers. There
were memorials but no graveside interments.

In the real, material world, solid mass and
human bodies do not disappear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then explain away WTC # 7.  The smoking gun<br />
in this ongoing mystery. No jet fuel, no impact&#8211;<br />
just a controlled demolition of a huge building<br />
falling symetrically down into its own footprint.</p>
<p>And to my thinking, the final unanswered question is what happened to all the passengers on four<br />
airplanes?  They just seemed to have vanished into thin air, along with their carriers. There<br />
were memorials but no graveside interments.</p>
<p>In the real, material world, solid mass and<br />
human bodies do not disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: CentralMass</title>
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		<dc:creator>CentralMass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steel has strength and weakness like any other material. 

A steel wire as some serious tensile strength, but bend the wire back and forth and you &quot;work harden&quot; it and it will break in you hands after a short number of bends. 

Take a steel chisel that wasn&#039;t tempered when made and it will shatter when you hit it with a hammer. 

The composition of the steel also plays a a major role in failures.

Steel from the Titanic (state of the art steel at that time)was found to have high levels of sulfur, oxygen and phosphorous and low levels of manganese.
This made it much more brittle at the freezing temps of the North Atlantic waters then modern steel would have been.

That WPI mentioned above that studied some WTC beams details the chemistry and metallurgial elemnts that most likely caused the the beams to fail.  &quot;Eutechtic etching&quot;, melting along grain boundaries, that occured at temperature lower then the melting point of pure steel, due to the the formation of euthectic compounds due to sulphur and other compunds found in the steel.

Having a large commerical jet made of aluminum (an oxident) full of jet fuel crash and burn in a building is not anything that has happened in the past.

The WPI study may or maynot disprove that thermite was used but it does indicate that the steel beams could have failed due to the fire and impact of a fuel laden jet crashing into the building alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steel has strength and weakness like any other material. </p>
<p>A steel wire as some serious tensile strength, but bend the wire back and forth and you &#8220;work harden&#8221; it and it will break in you hands after a short number of bends. </p>
<p>Take a steel chisel that wasn&#8217;t tempered when made and it will shatter when you hit it with a hammer. </p>
<p>The composition of the steel also plays a a major role in failures.</p>
<p>Steel from the Titanic (state of the art steel at that time)was found to have high levels of sulfur, oxygen and phosphorous and low levels of manganese.<br />
This made it much more brittle at the freezing temps of the North Atlantic waters then modern steel would have been.</p>
<p>That WPI mentioned above that studied some WTC beams details the chemistry and metallurgial elemnts that most likely caused the the beams to fail.  &#8220;Eutechtic etching&#8221;, melting along grain boundaries, that occured at temperature lower then the melting point of pure steel, due to the the formation of euthectic compounds due to sulphur and other compunds found in the steel.</p>
<p>Having a large commerical jet made of aluminum (an oxident) full of jet fuel crash and burn in a building is not anything that has happened in the past.</p>
<p>The WPI study may or maynot disprove that thermite was used but it does indicate that the steel beams could have failed due to the fire and impact of a fuel laden jet crashing into the building alone.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1219379</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Have you never seen the many buildings that surrounded the twin towers? Angle? Lateral and from above. They were 110 storey buildings. They towered over everything that was around them.&lt;/em&gt;

No I am not kidding.

And Yes, I am a very familar with WTC and the towers. I watched them being built. My brother had his wedding reception in the resturant Eyes of the World. He is gone and so is it. Or do you care to ask my niece about it.

My My My Complancy? Fine then obtuse it it is.

On one hand you can&#039;t say with ANY certainty where the beams came from.

And with as much respect I as I can muster ...Fuck you. My friends died in that shit.
People I grew up with. You don&#039;t think I do not want answers? The answers I want are not that my government was a party to conspiracy and murder.

But why they failed to stop it.

As you state you have no forensic evidence. Obtuse my ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Have you never seen the many buildings that surrounded the twin towers? Angle? Lateral and from above. They were 110 storey buildings. They towered over everything that was around them.</em></p>
<p>No I am not kidding.</p>
<p>And Yes, I am a very familar with WTC and the towers. I watched them being built. My brother had his wedding reception in the resturant Eyes of the World. He is gone and so is it. Or do you care to ask my niece about it.</p>
<p>My My My Complancy? Fine then obtuse it it is.</p>
<p>On one hand you can&#8217;t say with ANY certainty where the beams came from.</p>
<p>And with as much respect I as I can muster &#8230;Fuck you. My friends died in that shit.<br />
People I grew up with. You don&#8217;t think I do not want answers? The answers I want are not that my government was a party to conspiracy and murder.</p>
<p>But why they failed to stop it.</p>
<p>As you state you have no forensic evidence. Obtuse my ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/26256/more-9-11-conspiracy-nuttiness/#comment-1219373</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just really trying to find a point of comparison with steel skyscrapers and I&#039;m having a hard time. Steel goes through hurricanes and jet impacts just fine.  

http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq52302.html

This movie is specifically about the physics invoved. It was what convinced me. 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871
 
It has the pictures taken by a FEMA photographer of the steel sticking out of other buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just really trying to find a point of comparison with steel skyscrapers and I&#8217;m having a hard time. Steel goes through hurricanes and jet impacts just fine.  </p>
<p><a href="http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq52302.html" rel="nofollow">http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq52302.html</a></p>
<p>This movie is specifically about the physics invoved. It was what convinced me. </p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871</a></p>
<p>It has the pictures taken by a FEMA photographer of the steel sticking out of other buildings.</p>
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