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By dcmediagirl on May 21, 2008 at 1:06 PM in Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, CIA, DNC, Delegates, Democrats, Disenfranchisement, Florida, Larry Johnson, Michigan, Obama, Plamegate, Puerto Rico

It’s hard to post when your bloggy compatriots are doing such an able job of covering and analyzing the salient points of what’s amounting to be a debacle, but after last night I thought it was time to emerge from my bunker and have at it.

What we’re looking at here is one of the most blatantly dishonest, rigged elections seen in any country in recent years, including (fill in the name of a banana republic here). You thought Lyndon Johnson’s ballot box 13 episode stunk? Or that the Florida recount was a travesty? Well pull up a chair, folks, and get a good look at Election 2008.

This is not the ranting of a bitter, gun-clutching, God-lovin’ Obama hater. This is fact.

Florida and Michigan are still unaccounted for. Repeat: There is still no solution to the Florida and Michigan mess. Oh sure, Howard Dean promises to “do” something, but all that we’ve seen is that in this case inaction IS action; keeping Florida and Michigan out of the calculus is achieving the goald that so many in the party and press long for.

And yet, and yet. Despite features with adorable, fair and balanced titles like “Hillary Deathwatch”, the senator CONTINUES to blow Obama out of the water in key states. And no, she’s not Reanimator. She’s what we in the biz call “a candidate” participating in a thing called a “campaign”, where you don’t throw in the towel until all the goddamned votes are counted and there’s a clear winner. And what a nudnick her husband is! Only an insufferable blowhard would say the following about the Florida and Michigan mess:

“The Democrats said, ‘We’re going to decapitate them, smudge them, step on them, act like they never existed, act like they never voted,’” the former president said. “It’s very strange that the Democrats would be more authoritarian and more hostile to the voters.”

Good God! Who does this man think he is?? But then again, according to the Obamatrons, he’s just a racist anyway so whatever he says is driven by his twisted, KKK-mindset.

Just think about what happened after Florida 2000. Michael Moore became a gajillionaire. The Democrats becamed the wronged party, the party that stands for one-person-one-vote. Now Michael Moore is uncharacteristically silent on the subject of enfranchisement and Democratic leaders are shrugging their shoulders or, in the case of Donna Brazile, sending out unhinged e-mails to critics. We’ve come a long way, baby.

And for those of you who are bitchslapping Larry for speaking the truth, well, screw you. If he was a standup guy for, well, standing up for Valerie Plame and calling bullshit on Iraq, well then maybe, just maybe, you oughta give him the benefit of the doubt on this politics thing. They taught him a lot of cool stuff at the Farm besides how to stalk and kill people (not that I would know first hand that this is what they teach at that place, but I saw The Recruit).

Meanwhile, the DNC plans to empty the clown car hold a meeting of the rules committee on May 31 to decide…something. Maybe when to meet next. Or what sort of snacks should be provided in the VIP skyboxes in Denver.

And what, may I ask, will they decide that couldn’t have been arrived at weeks, if not months, ago? And what exactly constitutes a “fair solution” to this problem? A do-over? How about handing all the delegates over to Obama outright, and canceling the upcoming matches in Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota and calling it a day? Or how about turning over all of Hillary’s delegates won in contests that “aren’t important”, like races in hillbilly states?

Nothing would surprise me at this point. Except, of course, for a fair, equitable solution where voters are enfranchised and the delegates are apportioned fairly and small-d democratically. But the fix is in. Don’t hold your breath.

  • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

    We have a week to scream bloody murder at the DNC at turn the heat up so high they have to do the right thing.

    I am very optimistic if we stay focused we can get them to do what they should have done all along.

    I appreciate the reality of the situation but we have it within our power to change the outcome.

    Keep fighting your ass off. Victory is within reach. Naysayers beware.

    • Nancy Sabet

      Obama has turned out to be one of the most divisive political figures since Nixon.The candidate who said he has this great talent for unifying people, a talent that shows up nowhere in his past, has created more divisiveness in the Democratic party than any figure in history.But the issue that has caused one of the most serious divisions is the one that Obama himself has created over race.
      In CNN last night reporter said, that Obama comes here in Iowa, but very different from when he started here; he has managed to crush the huge Democratic Party machine, the Clintons..well it says it all, I wonder what the Republicans thinking of it..bravo BHO!!

      • Kourian

        Obama has turned out to be one of the most divisive political figures since Nixon.

        Actually his rhetoric is a lot like Nixon’s too. We were watching the Sack O’ Shit on the telly the other night and someone said ‘who does he remind you of?’ And after a while we got it: Nixon.

        He also has the same attitude about him as if he’s saying to himself ‘this is going to be easy – people are stupid’.

        • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

          How about taking your “telly”, and going back with it across the pond?

          This is American politics, not Communist/Marxist/Socialist ideology your country has been practicing since the 1920s.

          • Lou

            THIS COMMENT IS RUDE AND UNDESVERVING.
            ARE YOU CRANKY?

          • wry

            why so nasty? We’re not blogger boyz here.

        • terri

          You mean the same smirky attitude GWB had? Yup, he’s the Democrats’ GWB–Manchurian Candidate.

          What a sad state this country is in.

      • Donald from Hawaii

        “Obama has turned out to be one of the most divisive political figures since Nixon.”

        Let’s cool the hyperbole here. That statement is nonsensical on its face, since it clearly doesn’t take into account one George W. “Mission Accomplished” Bush.

        I’m not excusing the race-baiting we’ve seen from the Obama campaign, nor do I make light of the open misogyny expressed by the so-called mainstream media with regards to Sen. Hillary Clinton’s historic run. But as campaigns go, Sen. Barack Obama really has nothing on the amoral conduct of the current White House squatter and his scumbag cronies the Bush administration.

        The Clinton campaign’s failure to effectively contest Obama in small states holding caucuses instead of primaries is what accounts for the current differential in the delegate count.

        They didn’t even try out here in Hawaii, opting to pick as Clinton’s state chair the State Senate president, who was more interested in garnering the title for her political resume than doing anything substantive, like maybe organizing the precincts. In fact, the day before the February 19 caucuses, she blithely predicted a statewide turnout of no more than 6,000 Democrats.

        Instead, 40,000 people showed up – including over 10,00o Clinton supporters who pretty much came out on their own as individuals. By taking 20 of the 29 delegates, the Obama campaign picked up a net advantage of 11 in Hawaii alone, which pretty much offsets Clinton’s subsequent gains in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary.

        There will be plenty of time to do a post-mortem after the convention. But for now, suffice to sy that the Clinton campaign under Mark Penn’s helm was never seriously prepared at the outset for a vigorously contested primary campaign, and were both outhustled and out-organized by the Obama campaign.

        Rather, it is a testament to the candidate herself and her subsequent campaign manager, Maggie Williams, that they were not blown completely out of the water in the month following “Super Tuesday” on February 5, but instead rallied to make a valiant run for the nomination despite the daunting financial and logitical advantages enjoyed by the Obama campaign.

        All that said, it’s not over. Tony Rezko’s fate in his Chicago corruption trial has to be decided by the federal jury, and the politicaal fallout from a “guilty” verdict is yet to be known. Despite the plaintive wailing of the Obama-friendly media, Sen. Clinton scored three smashing victories in succession in Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kenticky despite being outspent by margins of 3:1. There has been no stampede of superdelegates as of yet.

        So, let’s just see how this plays out, do our best to support Hillary Clinton in the homestretch here, and then go from there.

        • Cindy

          Hey, Donald. You happen to be wrong. Obama is VERY much like Nixon. I lived in D.C. during the early ’70′s and saw it firsthand (and had a friend who worked in the White House).
          Seeing what this Chicagobama mob has done to Hillary, esp. through the media, is so Nixonian it’s not funny.

          • Donald from Hawaii

            I never said that Obama’s campaign didn’t bear a vague resemblance to Nixon’s campaigns. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

            I merely said that the previous post, by stating that Obama was the worst since Nixon, obviously failed to take into account the current occupant in the White House.

            Look, I don’t care for Barack Obama, and I’m not here to defend his campaign. But to insinuate that he’s worse than George W. Bush is just nonsense.

            • terri

              He is behaving exactly like George W. Bush and he hasn’t even gotten the nomination yet. If you want to see what an Obama WH would look like see Gov. Rod Blagojovich (sp)–soon to be joining the list of IL governors learning a new trade in the Big House. Big Buds, same fund-raisers, same campaign manager and tied to the corrupt Daley machine big time.

        • Northwest rain

          Shut up troll.

          Here he is again folks — Obama’s explainer.

          Now we get a dose of well — why don’t we vote for snObama blah blah balh

          Hey stupid — go away.

          • Donald from Hawaii

            Why don’t you grow up?

            Where exactly in my post did I say that I supported Obama?

            If you can’t handle yourself in a political discussion without resorting to name-calling tantrums, then you’re a goddamned fool who offers absolutely nothing in the way of substance to either this conversation or the Clinton campaign, and you’ll what you truly deserve in this life.

            Aloha, fool.

        • swannyj

          Being from Texas, I am forced to acknowledge HRC AND the voting public were not prepared for the impact of the caucuses. This seems to be the case in other states as well. However, this just highlights the majority of Obama’s delegates were not and are not the reflection of the popular vote. I can also attest to the fraud that went on during the Texas caucus. Caucuses disenfranchise voters.

          I am very thankful the HRC was able to regroup and gather their strength to press on. Hillary is now leading in the popular vote and this lead DOES reflect actual votes. ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION!

          • Donald from Hawaii

            Your observation about the caucus system is spot-on. It’s a misguided notion that caucuses somehow reflects popular will. Despite the large turnout here in Hawaii last February, I’m convinced that had we held a primary election, such an event would have attracted upwards of a half-million voters to the polls.

            Isn’t there a lawsuit being filed in Texas regarding the overt mishandling of the caucuses there?

        • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

          Let’s cool the hyperbole here. That statement is nonsensical on its face, since it clearly doesn’t take into account one George W. “Mission Accomplished” Bush.

          Huh? Nixon is what made McGovern possible, and in return, why America didn’t vote for him.

          Don’t you know anything about history — or did you shoot dupe in class, instead?

          Bush never came close to the Nixon on outright polarization in this country — unless you live in San Francisco or Berkeley, where even saying God would be “FASCIST!!” lololol

          • SirScud

            Yet another closeted conservative outs themself with hate speech! Just thought I’d take the opportunity to “shoot a dupe!”

            • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

              I’m not in the closet, dimwit, I’m out and about and damn proud, too. Every regular here know it, even. :)

              Nub.

              Now go back home to your Black racists, and make sure to get your shackles ready. I’m sure the New Plantation owners will be needing new slaves!

              • Nellie

                Chris,

                Scud is one of the Plantation owners who was at the fundraiser for Obama in Marin County California – The same one where Obama dubbed us bitter, gun toting, Bible Clinging people.

          • Donald from Hawaii

            Mahalo for offering your ignorant opinion on behalf of the “Hee-Haw” caucus.

          • terri

            I remember the Nixon races and at that time the level of vitriol and polarization associated with George W. Bush was unheard of.

        • Bill Delyon

          Thanks for that reasoned thoughtful post Donald.

        • cows4us

          Oh wow – incredible thinking DNC – giving a state like Hawaii (where Obama was born) that has only 4 electoral votes the same say as a state like PA with 21 electoral votes. Not to mention Hillary winning the state by 200,000 votes! (That’s many times more than HI). Why? Could it be b/c Hillary has roots in Scranton, PA? No – couldn’t be, it’s just stupid DNC rules and that’s why we keep losing for the last 40 years! Anyone who defends this stupid system is undemocratic and should move to a banana republic where’s they’ll fit right in.

          • Donald from Hawaii

            This has nothing to do with state populations. It has everything to do with the overall delegate count. Quit the dick-swinging, and do the math.

            By failing to contest the caucus in a small state like Hawaii, which has only 29 delegates, the Clinton campaign incurred a deficit of 11 delegates when all was said and done on February 19.

            And for all the hard work she put into winning the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, that inspiring victory garnered for her only 10 more pledged delegates from that state than for Obama.

            Add the pledged delegate counts from the two states together, and Clinton is still down one delegate. That’s why Hawaii cancels out Pennsylvania.

            And that’s also why it was a foolish decision on Mark Penn’s part to concentrate precious campaign resources on the bigger states, and cede the small states to the Obama campaign. Just add the differentials of Hawaii, Alaska, Idaho, Kansas and North Dakota together, and Hillary’s in the hole by over 50 delegates. Even if you add the Clinton-positive differentials of Ohio, Pennsylvania and California together, she still doesn’t make up that deficit.

            Now, I happen to agree that we need to re-think how we choose our nominees, because I do believe that the big states and swing states should be factored into the decision, and that Hillary Clinton is in fact the stronger candidate against John McCain. But by dismissing the small states and the role they have under the current rules, Mark Penn proved himself to be merely a grossly overpaid political dumbbell.

            • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

              This has nothing to do with state populations. It has everything to do with the overall delegate count. Quit the dick-swinging, and do the math.

              Hehehe!

              Obama Math:
              ——————-

              A famous mathematical physicst von Neumann said “If you allow me four free parameters I can build a mathematical model that describes exactly everything that an elephant can do. If you allow me a fifth free parameter, the model I build will forecast that the elephant will fly.”

              • Donald from Hawaii

                And von Neumann’s observation about physics is relevant to the Democratic nomination process – how?

                Look, I didn’t write the rules here. Frankly, I don’t like them any more than you do. But it is what it is, and things don’t necessarily have to make sense to still be very real. I prefer to have my feet on the ground, and deal with that reality, rather than console and / or delude myself with visions of what could and ought to be if I had my druthers.

                Regardless, this nomination will be decided by the superdelegates, because neither candidate will have garnered the sufficient number to cross the threshold with pleadged delegates alone.

                As the famous American philosopher Yogi Berra once said, “It ain’t over ’til its over!”

          • PssttCmere

            Well, I wish obama had been born four years earlier and we wouldn’t even have to deal with him…

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Great post…and on the money. And I agree with you, too, that Maggie and getting rid of Penn was the key to the turnaround.

          I also personally think that’s why she’s steely now. She feels responsible in a way for the way this has gone down.

          Now we get to see the real Hillary. She’s fabulous. Too bad it didn’t happen earlier.

          • ProfessionalMom

            She has ALWAYS been fabulous, brilliant, responsive, and responsible; people don’t see when their eyes are closed. I’ve been crazy about her from DAY 1. But then, I’m from Arkansas, and I’ve worked with her. There is no better person to be President of these United States.

            You go, Hillary!!!!!

    • alibe4-Hillary

      I have called the DNC and asked them why they haven’t held a press conference to make sure the facts are out there. They are so defensive it is almost funny. All they say is that they are having this meeting on the 31st of May, but can’t say where or when. They are so busy trying to defend the indefensible that it is sickening. When you ask a question you can hear panic and desparation. It is hard to defend lies and a conspiracy to rig the primary system. I think we should all refer to the DNC as a conspiracy to rig this election. They should be sued by a group. Or charged with fraud. This can not be legal. I would like to hear Donna and Howard have to testify under oath!!!

      • terri

        Unfortunately it has nothing to do with legality. The DNC is a private organization that can make it’s own rules. People don’t have to join. That said, I’m for Hillary going all the way to the convention. There’s nothing the DNC can do to stop her (and still themselves democrats). What’s needed in this country (after Hillary’s 8 years) is MORE political parties that give every American a voice. We’re the only first-world democracy that only has two parties. See how well that works out? You’ve got latte-drinking liberals in OR who don’t have to worry about the economy voting for an empty suit who will do nothing to help hard working Democrats in the swing states. Just a bad system, these people do not belong in the same party.

      • PssttCmere
    • http://www.cafepress.com/gigglechick/5112889 gigglechick

      the MAP shows us that SHE can do it.

      It’s the MAP, not the math.

      by the way, the map was the inspiration for shirts & buttons

      http://www.cafepress.com/gigglechick/5576515

      (a portion of the proceeds from what I sell go to Hillary…)

    • Yes We Will!

      Hillary wants us to vote Dem in November.

      To do less dishonors her wisdom & her wishes.

      Let’s be smart like Hillary and work to support the Dem nominee, whatever happens.

      Hillary wants us to take this country back, and you never really supporter her values or her vision if you act like a paid troll McCainiac.

      Hillary Knows Best!

      • Frank

        Shut up. Fool.

        • Be smart like Hillary!

          The ‘fools’ are those who reject Hillary’s wisdom.

          If you won’t honor her voice and her insight, go back to Free Republic since you are obviously a paid McCainiac troll.

          Real Hillary supporters will do the smart thing and vote Dem in Nov.

          McBush’s third term is the real enemy.

          • Frank

            Shut the fuck up, dipshit. I honor MY OWN VOICE and MY OWN BELIEFS and they do not, in any way, jive with Obama’s bastion of greed and narcissim. With your logic, all of Edwards’ supporters would have honored his idiotic decision to endorse Obama. How did that pan out?

          • Cindy

            You are so Obama it stinks to high heaven. Obama people are so obvious.

          • speaktruth

            I agree it would be awful for the country to have McCain as president.
            However, it would be awful for the Democratic Party to have Obama. To me he is another Republican.
            Our country is in such a terrible mess. It requires an especially strong, experienced and competent president. I have not have heard one specific idea from Obama about what he would do to fix this mess. Not one. There is nothing he has ever accomplished to give me confidence that he has any idea what to do. For me it’s not his associations that are the biggest problem. It’s that I’ve seen nothing to satisfy me at all that this guy has any idea what to do to fix the economy, which is our biggest problem.
            That aside, I think he’d do more than McCain, just because he’s a Dem instead of Repub. McCain will just continue the robbery of the people by big business. I fear so will Obama, but it won’t be as blatant.
            But if Obama gets in we’ll be telling Dem Party they can continue to ignore us, to continue to put up empty suit rock stars.
            I don’t think they’ll allow Hillary to get the nomination at this point.
            I still wonder about a third party. One that actually is strong, does something. How much chance is there that it could win with Hillary?

            • Hmmmm

              Maybe, if the Democrats are so willing to lose the White House, we should consider throwing our coordinated strength behind McCain, IN RETURN FOR compromises from him on the issues we care about, like the Supreme Court, Iraq, healthcare, education, economy, etc. Remember, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. We don’t have to be Democrats if the Democratic party won’t represent us, and would rather give away the White House to McCain than fight for it–and get nothing in return for the give-away.

          • Strawberrybitch

            Are you for real? Go Away. You don’t have what it takes to be a concern troll. Go over to LGF and take a few lessons.

          • Strawberrybitch

            This one is an especially patronizing little fuck, isn’t he folks?

        • Lester

          Ditto!!!!!!!

      • so saddened

        go away, repetitive troll. we saw hundreds of such posts last night.

        hillary or mccain. no other option

        • Yes We Will!

          Last night Hillary said:

          That’s why I’m in this race: to fight for your future. And that’s why, whatever happens, I’ll work as hard as I can to elect a Democratic president this fall.

          You know, the state motto of Kentucky is, “United we stand, divided we fall,” words that have a special place in our history. They inspire American revolutionaries to unite the colonies, to defy an empire, and create a new nation, to invent a new form of government, of the people, by the people, and for the people, and they bound our nation together in service and sacrifice, even in our darkest hours.

          We will come together as a party, united by common values and common cause, united in service of the hopes and dreams that know no boundaries of race or creed, gender or geography. And when we do, there will be no stopping us.

          We won’t just unite our party. We will unite our country and make sure America’s best years are still ahead of us.

          Thank you. And God bless you, and God bless America.

          You dishonor Hillary if you vote for McCain.

          Then again, you are nothing but a paid McCainiac troll.

          Hillary & I will take this country back for the Dem nominee without you.

          • Cindy

            Hey “Yes We Will”,
            We are WOMEN. Not stepford wives.
            It’s Hillary or nothing.
            But, nice try, wuss breath.

            • Lou

              It’s Hillary or the highway.

              Obama has made people hate him.
              He is the most hated man in America today.

              The trolls just make it appear that Obama has support. He really doesn’t.
              trolls are paid hacks.

          • Ellen D.

            How much does Obama pay you for this stuff?

            • Strawberrybitch

              Ellen, not enough if you ask me. BARKY, needs to get his money back.

          • PDMM

            Yes We Will, you are clearly a NObamabot troll, oh are you one of those 400 paid bloggers for Barry??? If you really believed in Hillary you would simply know that most of us will never vote for BO. He doesn’t deserve my vote. Like I said, Hillary may ask, but we don’t have to follow like freakin’ lemmings over the cliff. I have always voted for the person. And I am disgusted that BO is a Democrat. He disgusts me.

          • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

            Hillary & I will take this country back for the Dem nominee without you.

            Dear Yes We Will,

            No You won’t.

            • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

              We will take this party back AGAIN just like last time you off the cliffers tried this. We will take it back in four years. Then we will talk about Hillary again.

          • Strawberrybitch

            She’s talking about herself. Christ. Get a clue, spanky.

          • apishapa

            Fortunately for this country, unlike Obambots, Clinton supporters are by and large not robots. We think for ourselves. Though we support Hillary and are convinced she would be the best President for this country, we are not obligated to follow her every command. We respect her, but we disagree on this.

            We oppose Obama for very good reasons and those reasons will not go away. It is not just that we like Hillary better (we do), but we truly feel an Obama Presidency would be a catastrophe for our nation. We are Americans first.

            No matter who tells us different. He is a bad candidate and he would be a terrible President. I won’t vote for him. I don’t care who asks me to.

          • layla

            Ha! I saw the speech, she actually said..elect a dem president, whomever SHE will be.

            Obamabots, don’t you dare act now that you are giving Hillary credit for ANYTHING. Most of us are not voting for Obama no matter what. Deal with that and live with it in the bitter fall.

            Most of your ilk said they would not have voted for Clinton either if it was reversed.

            • BJinChicago

              Yes, whoever, she will be…

        • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

          That’s right! Hillary or McCain. There isn’t enough time in a year for Obama to change my mind and at this point, there are only about 5 months left to the general. So, if he is handed that nomination, this is one vote he can kiss goodbye!

      • Northwest rain

        Do NOT speak for Hillary — TROLL.

        GO TO HELL — Just like the jerk who claims to be from Hawaii — GO TO HELL.

      • PDMM

        Hillary may ASK us to support BO IF he steals this nomination, HOWEVER it doesn’t mean we have to vote for a man so unqualified to be POTUS that it’s painful, not even funny. NObama. Never.

      • Tom Plumb

        hey,troll boi, (really an old man) can you do an ascii finger?

        psssst–

        it’s the key…

        LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      • Windy

        Not happening!

      • Wyoming Dem

        If Hillary called me personally on my cell phone and asked me to vote for Obama I would respectfully decline. I have already resigned from the Democratic Party (40 years of only voting Democrat…) Obama is an inexperienced, criminally associated, devisive and racist candidate and he will never, (DNC do you hear me???)NEVER get my vote. I am sick-to-death of hearing that bumbling baboon, Howard Dean and the absolutely rabid and caustic Donna Brazil state over and over and over again “the Clinton supports will get behind the nominee.” What freaking planet do these morons live on? They have no idea what is about to hit the Democratic party. Thousands, (and that is reality) of CLinton supporters plant to resign from the party on a specific date should the DNC nominate Obama. And while I am at it, I am sick of being called a racist simply because I see through the empty, devious and elitist suit that is Obama. I can think of at least 25 reasons not to vote for him and the color of his skin isn’t one of them.
        Between the DNC and the mainstream media, Obama has been forced down the throats of voters and I simply refuse to swallow.

      • terri

        The Obama should have smarter than to offend half of the voters in his own party. Americans don’t just GIVE candidates what they want, Americans expect candidates to earn their support. Oh that’s right, he’s black so if we don’t vote for him, we’re racists. He would have the distinction of being the first Affirmative Action nominee–don’t “interview” him to see if he’s qualified, just hand him the nomination based on his race.

      • PssttCmere

        wow….how covert….NOT

      • Mike

        Notice the English and phrasing of the trolls. Obama’s campaign has literally outsourced his trolling harassment force.

        A few weeks ago encountered several in a blog, awakened a friend with an IP checker, he entered blog, found 4 Indian and Phillipino IPs.

        Below 2 examples of confrontation:

        Just for the record: Kizeem is not posting from a US ip., nor US time zone.

        Probably not a US voter. Just “an out-sourced” Obama “harasser” as mentioned in the comment about the Obama “clog the blogs” posters.

        Guess he/she works the mid-night shift!

        Posted by: Mike | Apr 5, 2008 7:25:28 AM

        To Mike,

        You make me laugh. There is nothing like Obama outsource ‘harasser’, whatever you mean. For your info, I am going to be in PA on 4/22/08.

        So, see you there.

        Posted by: Kizeem | Apr 5, 2008 7:32:00 AM

      • Nellie

        No Bama ever!

      • wry

        Oh now we vote for Barack and his nasty low class wife to “honor Hillary”?

        Bullshit. I honor myself and my country by voting against that fraud.

    • standard

      AMEN!
      Clinton WILL NOT lose because DNC f*ked up!

      Tonight on Fox, Rove talks about the KY and OR election. I’m giving them my viewership because they have thus far provided the only balance in our primary.

      Rove has been accurate- so far.
      I’ll watch him, and hope that he continues avoiding partisan interest and manipulation.

    • LIBERTY IS FREEDOM

      When I first discovered the word “CORPORACRACY”. It was like a shining light of truth on what you and your husband and prior Presidents had stretched the plasticity of the internal workings of population to achieve. The “DESTRUCTION” of “LIBERTY”.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      You have stolen from the Retired Military personnel thru legislation You have lined America up for “advanced Socialism”. Your Party members (i.e. Rostenkowski did ignored violations of law by those who work in positions of authority).
      Your regimes of government have caused overwhelming loss to me personally. Moreover, my pleas are shoved in my face and would be shoved up my as s if your authority agents could.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      You have supported corrupt Judges who have made false entries in records. In addition, the list go’s on.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Citizens have no rights. Liberty has been diced. Your thought process needs to be adjusted in a Prison Camp. Then reintroduced to society thru Prison internment adjustment. Then a couple years of deplorable deprived existence in some desert Country, that lacks water.
      Then, just maybe then, you could have some concept as to what “ induced oppression “ delivered from a psychopath is like.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Isn’t that interesting?
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      I scraped for what I have maybe it time for you to do some scraping. Let us discover who the criminals are?

  • jwrjr

    And these idots at the DNC think that the voters of FL and MI will obediently vote for Obama after Dean anoints him.

    • Kourian

      David Axelrod is an expert at marketing and opinion manipulation. He and his colleagues know people better than they know themselves. Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Side!

      • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

        The Dark Side should not underestimate our anger.

        • Northwest rain

          That is for damn sure!!!!!!!!

          After months of attacking Hillary and thus ALL women — we will not forget nor forgive!

  • ccwarrior72

    Obama is being supplied tons of money by Former electricity minister, Aiham al-Sammara worth 650 million, Saddam and Rezko business party Nadhmi Auchi worth 2.7 billion, and our own George Soros. What are these people planning , some ELITE power structure. Maybe an America payback, one thing for sure it don’t include us…Politicians, superdelegates, friends everyone turning on each other for the money. There selling the country for their own GREED

    • Kourian

      our own George Soros

      I was surprised to learn this. Born in Budapest and educated at LSE and Oxford.

      • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

        Why? Reds and Pinkos have been in those schools since the 1920s. COMINTEL even recruited there.

      • terri

        Why surprised? Everyone knows he’s not an indigenous American and he’s Hungarian. His partner in crime is Arianna Huffington who is also of eastern European extraction. Wasn’t she some kind of Madame in CA when she ran against Ahhhhnold?

      • Lou

        The audacity of this is that George Soros formed Move-on.org to aid Former Pres Bill Clinton fight the rove attack machine. He’s another traitor.

    • Tom Plumb

      Funny, I found a gas bill addressed to an Alsammarae in my mailbox, yesterday.

      Really.

      Will coincidences never cease….

    • terri

      This is why none of us should vote for Obama if he’s the nominee. There is some diabolic plot afoot and Obama is the lynchpin–the puppet. It’s more sinister than Rupert Murdoch’s takeover of the Republican Party.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    The fix is in. Four of the truest words ever written.

    Oh, here’s another four words: FUCK YOU, Democratic party!

    HELL OF A RANT, MediaGirl — and so glad you’re standing up for Larry. We’re all getting attacked. I’m now an infamous racist and the only person worse than me is, horrors, Taylor Marsh.

    Fuck ‘em all. KEEP RANTING.

    • Kourian

      Susan!

      I’ve just figured out how the Obama campaign works. It’s like the thuggees in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. They’ve all drunk the blood of Kali! I found this link at Taylor’s: [CLICK HERE]. Go see what went on there – if you dare.

      KALI MAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    • Iron Man

      You kiss your mother with that mouth?

      • Tom Plumb

        You kiss yours with that stupid ass…

    • Nellie

      Susan

      That is awful. So terribly sad that rotten excuse of a person, Obama, has destroyed the minds and sanity of other people.

      Surely you realize the Zoids will need extensive de-programming, so you don’t buy their lousy mis-labeling right?

  • Mike Howell

    BASTA!

    It’s too late for a new party this election cycle, so I’ll vote for McCain.

    Any other vote is a vote for Oblowme.

    We need to plan now for 2012.

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      Why are so many people sure the rules committee is going to commit political suicide on May 31?

      There’s plenty we can do to sway them and I refuse to be a pessimist and will fight on.

      Hillary has shocked a lot of people including some of her own supporters so why abandon her now at her greatest time of need?

      Naysayers are called naysayers for a reason. I ain’t no naysayer.

      Lets see Hillary through this all the way to her nomination!

      • apishapa

        Because anything else involves acknowledging that they screwed up big time. Not these assholes. they will put on a little dog and pony show, but whatever they do, it will involve screwing Hillary and the voters.

        They certainly will not follow the RULES and strip Obama of all the delegates he “won” in Florida because he broke the RULES by campaigning after signing a pledge not to. RULES only apply when they benefit Obama.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Nah*….they could seat 50% and that would work. MI is trickier.

          But Hillary isn’t going to make it easy for them.

          Moreover, who knows what’s happening between her SDs and the DNC right now. They could be exerting pressure.

          The DNC may be able to skew things for Obama, but they can’t kick out half the party. LOL*

          • marlene

            Why should they only award half of the delegates in Florida. The rule to leave them out was stupid in the first place but perhaps knowing Obama could not win both those states anyway they figured a way to help put the fix in a little better. These delegates should be seated as voted. In Michigan Obama took himself off the ballott because of political reason and for none other. He was afraid Iowa would not look favorable on him. Hillary should get the delegates she won and while a lot of the delegates of uncomitted voters might well belong to Obama not all of them do.

            • so saddened

              the most likely thing is that they will count all of them IF obambi would win anyway. they will count half of them IF obambi would win anyway with half of them counted. they will count none of them IF obambi only wins that way.

              it’s all about making obambi win and they think we’ll just fall in line later.

              screw ‘em.

              hillary or mccain. no other option.

              • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

                It’s Affirmative Action. Barry gets extra points.

              • Michael

                Enjoy the GOP Supreme Court, you idiot.

          • http://www.larouchepac.com/ Gary McGowan

            About that 50% idea…

            “At least slaves were counted as 3/5 of a citizen, for purposes of distribution of Congressional seats, before President Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation. What Howard Dean proposes is a return to conditions worse than slavery, where Florida’s several million Democratic voters are counted as 1/2 a citizen.”

            -Lyndon LaRouche

            • Iron Man

              Yes, but in a schizophrenic twist slaves could not vote. Your point is invalid.

              • Tom Plumb

                But Florida voters are being disenfranchised, what’s the difference?

      • Kourian

        I think the pessimism is a guarded pessimism based the realities of realpolitik. As Uppity wrote today: politics is for bullies. People on the side of the Hill have played it nice. The Obama people have never played it nice. Obama’s never played it nice. He threw his friend Alice Parker under the bus, he’s had henchmen destroy his competition so he’s never had to run a real campaign – that dude is entitled!

        They play to win. They lie, they cheat, they steal. Just like the GOP. Whilst people over here continue to believe in ideals, in principles – and obscure things like elections actually being about issues and policy decisions. And that’s why people are pessimistic.

        For the fix is in. There is too much money that’s changed hands. Those who could do the right thing found themselves bought long ago and know now that although they may be backing a bad person there’s nothing they can do about it: break ranks and the Axelrod/Daley/Obama/Rezko machine will destroy you.

        I think that’s a political reality and I think a lot of people understand this intuitively and I think that’s where the (guarded) pessimism comes from.

        • Kourian

          Politics is a bully’s world. In politics, you get several choices. You can be bribed, and if that doesn’t work, you can be threatened. If that doesn’t work, you can be set up for the kill. Your other choice at these times is to ignore the noise and stick with what you truly believe is right. As you can imagine, this is not usually the easy choice. This is just one more amazing thing about Hillary Clinton.
          – Uppity

        • so saddened

          so true.

          and now they’re having obaby’s pal zogby put out polls showing obaby with a double digit lead over mccain – typical zogby bs. the idea is to undercut hillary’s (true) argument that she can beat mccain and obaby can’t.

          they don’t give a shit anyway. it’s all about getting hillary out and obaby in.

          screw ‘em. screw ‘em. screw ‘em.

          hillary or mccain. no other option.

  • Margaret

    Thanks for this post. This rigged election just might turn me into a mean white bitch! And a proud one, at that.

    I just keep writing the Rules Committee and reminding them I’m voting for McCain if they are dumb enough to let Obama steal the nomination. They don’t have to listen to me now, but they’ll hear from me come November!

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      Keep writing them. Can call the DNC and tell them you are withholding donations until they seat ALL the delegates.

    • marlene

      Hear! Hear!
      I too have sent man e mails to the DNC. Everytime I get a request to donate to them I send one saying I will when they do the right thing and seat Florida and Michigan as voted. I know others doing this as well. Maybe we can overload the system.

      • helen

        I usually return their e-mails and letters with the words NO FLA NO MI NO MONEY.

        There was a better idea last night at the tm site.
        Put monopoly money with chickens drawn on it and return the mail to the DNC on their postage.

  • calli sweeti

    If the primary is the DNC practice run, then the fix is in for the general election as well, going to all 50 states allows them to fine tune the process. Who would want to orchestrate a coup of the US Government?

    • Kourian

      Who would want to orchestrate a coup of the US Government?

      - The subprime predators. Obama’s got two on the payroll: the Pritzker sisters. (Doesn’t it kill you he cites Paula P as the one that’s going to get the country out of the subprime mess?)

      - The health care predators. The HMOs, the pharmaceuticals, the insurance companies, the hospitals. Put through mandatory and they’re toast. Barry won’t commit to mandatory because the predators would never stand for it. By suggesting a plan that essentially does nothing he’s sending a message to these predators: ‘I’m your man’.

      - The energy predators. Oil is horrible but it keeps a lot of people rich. As does nuclear energy. Think ‘Barry – Bill Ayers – Exelon’ and you get the picture.

      - The media. They’re just plain downright puerile sexually underdeveloped misogynists. Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, et al: these people have serious sexual developmental issues.

  • Ben

    So you people think its perfectly fair to count Michigan vote as is, even though Senator Obama’s name wasnt even on the ballot?

    So the people of Michigan’s voice counts as long as they dont have a choice in who to vote for?

    You people dont care about democracy or fairness, just doing whatever it takes to make Clinton the nominee. In that sense you share a great deal with Madame Clinton.

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      Troll, do we have to counter your “logic” with facts again?

      Obama took himself off the ballot by choice. The voters spoke and will be counted.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      You betcha. Everyone knows that he and Edwards set up phone banks to get out the vote for uncommitted. THAT, btw, is a direct violation of the pledge he signed.

      He was begged by the Dems in Mich. not to pull this stunt and to leave his name on the ballot. Nope. He didn’t want to risk losing to Hillary.

      Them’s the rulz. He withdrew. I believe that uncommitted get seated…..AS UNCOMMITTED. :)

      • Dawnelle

        AND wasn’t DODD running for President??

        wasn’t GRAVEL running for President???

        they both left their names on the MICHIGAN ballot (did dennis too?)

        they talk like she was the ONLY one that kept her name on

        and SHAME ON OLD MAN DODD FOR NOT STANDING UP FOR HILLARY ON THAT!! THAT FREAK WAS ON THE BALLOT AS WELL!

        DOES NO ONE HAVE ANY SCRUPLES ANYMORE???? ARE THERE NO MEN LEFT?

        ASIDE FROM THE ONES THAT COME HERE! ;-)

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          I’m optimistic. Koch said he’s crossing over to vote for McCain. Ferarro said she’s probably not going to vote for Obama. It’s starting.

          I swear, it was those 2 gals from Ohio who got up their nerve and went on O’Reilly. Everyone in the country was thunderstruck.

          Holding up a homemade poster with only an e-mail address?

          That was stunning.

          Obama must have had more than has 2 cigs that day.

        • layla

          You right there – your type of man is a real man – thanks for being here for the women.
          Dodd is a complete sack of _____. Mostly it’s because hillary is a woman, plain and simple.
          These guys don’t have the cajones to support a tough, independent woman, and yes, a bitch, just like me.

    • dcmediagirl

      Ben: Your astute observations indicate that you gave a lot of thought to what I wrote. Thanks for that. But based on your coherent, persuasive comment, I’ve given the matter some more thought, and I’ve come up with some possibilities. We can kick Michigan and Florida out of the United States. We can just hand their delegates over to Obama, no hard feelings. But now that I think of it, I think we should fly you to Michigan and let you go from townhall to townhall explaining your interpretation of democracy and fairness to angry Democrats. I’m sure they’ll understand.

    • Dawnelle

      come on – you know the truth

      BArry took his name OFF voluntarily

      AND started a campaign for those who would choose him to vote “other” or whatever it was called

      they have the facts to back this up

      also Barry cheated and ran ads in Florida (by rules that disqualifies him his delegates from FL as well) IF WE”RE following RULES.

    • http://liberalrapture.com scott

      Sen. Obama chose to take his name off the ballot no one force him to. He took it off because he was getting creamed in the polls, let him live by that choice.

    • apishapa

      Obama removed his name from the ballot as a campaign ploy in Iowa. Yes, the delegates should be seated as elected. All of the uncommitted are still uncommitted and will vote their conscience in August.

    • Uncle Ben

      Ben! You little runt! Did you hack through the parental controls again? No tapioca for you tonight, young man!

    • marlene

      Baravck Obama voluntarily took his name off the ballot in Michigan for political reasons for frear of a backlash in Iowa. He also denied a revote as it was not politically to his advantage. I do think hre should get a good portion of the uncommitted vote since as I understand it people were told if they did that it would mean a possible vote for him. To think all undecided would be his though would not be correct. We want fair here but how can it be fair when one candidate would not approve a revote. Of course not because he would have lost all over again and then maybe he would have to acknowledge that people aren’t as stupid as he makes them out to be.

    • PeggySue

      Oh yes, the Michigan ballot. The one from which Obama had his name removed because he didn’t have a prayer of winning. But his campaign supporters urged people to cast votes in the uncommitted column to keep Clinton’s numbers low. Is that the Michigan we’re talking about, the state that was denied a democratic voice?

      Cut me a break!

      And where is the concern for the popular vote, the vote that Donna Brazille threatened to leave the party for if a candidate were given the nomination on “mere” delegates alone. There’s no puzzle why the Obama folks want Clinton out. She’ll have the popular vote [she has it now]. She’ll have the winning electoral college vote by the states she’s won [she has it now]. And a huge number of Clinton supporters will not vote for BO because he’s unqualified and inexperienced [he's proven that already 10 times over].

      Cut it anyway you want. The DNC will run the weakest candidate if they persist. They will lose to John McCain in November. And they’ll deserve to lose.

      I just received a note from the DNC, begging funds again. It starts with John Dean informing me of an “unfunny joke.” I flipped it back with a note of my own: Here’s an unfunny joke, Mr. Dean. If you persist I’ll contribute to the GOP. And I’ll pull the lever for John McCain in the fall.

      Pretty funny, huh?

      • Tom Plumb

        Did Dean think those states would have gone for Clinton, and disenfranchised them to spot Obama points?

        Pathetic.

  • ccwarrior72

    You’re RIGHT!!!! the Fix Is In.
    Top Obama Organizer Paul Tewes in Discussions to Run Democratic Party
    by Associated Press

    WASHINGTON — Barack Obama is quietly planning to take over the Democratic National Committee and assemble a multistate team for the general election, the latest sign that he is putting rival Hillary Rodham Clinton and the nomination fight behind him. Top Obama
    organizer Paul Tewes is in discussions to run the party, several Democratic officials said Tuesday.
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/21/top-obama-organizer-paul-tewes-in-discussions-to-run-democratic-party/

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      I think you guys are exaggerating this. He’s just setting up the usual campaign arm and leaking the story to further fuel the presumptive nominee thing.

      He’s the frontrunner. The race is coming to an end. We DO have to set the stage for the Fall.

      But there’s no DNC shake-up from the way I read the article, anyway.

      • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

        I think you guys are exaggerating this.

        Thank you.

        The fear level around here astounds me.

        Cool heads must prevail.

        The battle continues.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Hey…..here’s a gift for you. Hillary picked up 2 SDs today. *woohoo*

          • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

            Hey that’s great!

            I have my knight’s armor at a ready for the “stampede” of Obama SDs this week.

      • W

        Nobody is overexaggerating anything. In Tennessee we say – I’m from Texas but they say this in Tennessee – fool me once and I’ll tell you to show me your cards.

        There’s no reason to not be on your guard. The Wormtongue who tells you there is nothing to fear is your enemy. You never never never never underestimate your enemy.

  • joe Bob

    I have multiple responses:
    A). This is the ranting of a … in direct violation of your own standards.
    B). There is no disenfranchisement, please educate yourself to simple facts. There is no right to vote in a primary for a specific party, only a right to vote for the president in the general election. Secondly, Florida and Michigan voters were aware when they cast that they were non binding delegate votes. Third, to use your innaccurate word, does it disenfranchise people who didn’t vote in MI or FL because they wer told it was not binded to a delegate?? No one ever answers that one.
    3). Why did HRC agree to this in the first place if it was rigged against her? Why did her main man Terry do nothing about it when he had the absolute power to do something about it? If anything, this process was set up for the frontrunner, Hilary and her campaign need to realize they messed up badly…
    4). Kentucky and West Virginia are key states? Are you ill?? I give you PA was huge, but those 2, um, no!
    5). A revote should happen, i guess, of course if it does, then you’ve got the problem of other states knowing the rules don’t need to be followed, but hey, we should just change the rules because you are crying!!
    6). And i got no probs with larry, I have problems with the name calling and utter dismissal of rational thought perpatrated by people like you in writings like this

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      Yawn.

      • joe Bob

        intelligent response, good job, don’t worry though, I’m sure your preschool will let out early little one

        • http://lkcampbell.blogspot.com Lucinda

          Coming from someone who doesn’t know how to capitalize proper names or use proper grammar, the preschool bit is just a little too much.

          • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

            Or spell perpetrate.

            • joe Bob

              Yeah, and i also started of going A and B and then went to numbers, still didn’t mention any of my points, sorry, this isn’t a job for me and I took a quick break to jot my thoughts…of course responding yawn is downright impressive, clowns

        • Tom Plumb

          The reality is this is fixed, has been cut and pasted ever since Dean decided to run the IL cripple.

          Save it.

          Napoleon Crunch, like Captain Crunch, taking to the high seas, absolutely delusional.

          Again, though, this is about far more than Clinton, or even Obama, and you can’t see the scope.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      The candidates agreed not to campaign in the states. That’s all.

      That’s another bit of misinformation being trolled around that has become “fact.” Except it’s not.

      • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

        Yeah what she said. ;)

    • JM

      Well excuse me, a$$ wipe, there may not be a “right to vote” in a primary, but when an election is held fairly, and then certified by the state in which it was held, it sure makes the losing candidate look like an undemocratic sore loser when he doesn’t support the election results. Hillary had a big win in Florida. Floridians could give two sh!ts about the schedule of the election. Floridians have just as much “right” to have our 1.5 million plus primary votes counted as do the 10 thousand or so people who voted in the more undemocratic caucus state of Wyoming. The Democratic party is outright wrong in suppressing votes from two important states in the electoral scheme of the upcoming general election. We voted in good faith and our votes will be counted!

      • marlene

        I Agree, the caucus method of determining a nominee is about the most ridiculous thing I ever heard of. To allow a few thousand voters determine the nominee for the entire State because the time of the caucus was favorable only to those few is appalling. The Democratic Party needs to clean up its entire act. The rule to disallow the votes in the Michigan and Florida primaries was just plain stupid. If they wanted to punish the State parties then why not just fine them a bunch. The people had no say in this only the politicians. However when it came time to approve a new primary the candidate for honesty and trust and new politics wouldn’t allow it. His politics are no better then the ones he says are from the old politics. What a joke!

      • Diane

        If the rest of the country has a “right to vote” in a primary election, then so do Floridians. I’m a Floridian. No one asked me what date I wanted to vote. I was TOLD the ONLY date the polls were open. There were no signs posted “Dems, don’t bother to vote because your vote won’t count”. I know it’s my fault for not watching the news very much, but I wasn’t even aware our votes weren’t going to count until AFTER I voted when I checked on the Florida primary results. THAT was the day I got involved in watching the news and following this political fiasco on the internet. Yes, I was stupid for not being more informed and yes, it has been a real wake-up call for me. I may be naive but sometimes I wonder how many others knew there vote wasn’t going to count when they cast their ballot. I for one would never have thought, at that time, that the DNC would disenfranchise any voters. Go ahead and blast me for my stupidity. I’ve learned alot in the past three months though mostly from blogs like these listening to intelligent people talk about politics and our voting process. I’ve learned to avoid the blogs with Obama’s cult members posting and re-posting their same old rhetoric. I can’t believe how many Obama supporters make statements that it’s just “tough luck” for the Floridians like it’s no big deal our voice was stolen. Yes, I’m still dumbstruck by all of this. And angry.

        • Strawberrybitch

          And you have every right to be. But you’re here now, AND you won’t be making THAT mistake again.

    • dcmediagirl

      joe Bob:
      1. “There is no right to vote in a primary for a specific party, only a right to vote for the president in the general election”: WTF?
      2. I know you’re irritated by what I wrote, but how about offering a solution to this Florida and Michigan problem? I can’t wait to read it.
      3. Kentucky and West Virginia are key states – for Democrats. Utah and Idaho are not.
      4. Are you implying that because of some monkey business perpetrated by state legislatures that the voters of Florida and Michigan shouldn’t have a say in who the Democratic nominee should be? Or is this point just another example of “crying”?
      5. Oh, never mind.

      • joe Bob

        My solution would be a revote, plain and simple…Give each candidate a couple weeks to campaign and go for it…I don’t know how you handle the whole punishment thing, I guess you could go half delegates like the other side…It’s a tough position to be honest, but I must reiterate everyone agreed to these rules beforehand, so I will never understand the hand wringing by HRC now…I have no problem with her campaigning and trying to win, but to demonize Barack for this debacle is abhorent in my view, he didn’t do anything different then what he was told to do (not that clinton didn’t play by the rules, but now she’s trying to change them)

        • bert

          “I don’t know how you handle the whole punishment thing, I guess you could go half delegates like the other side…”

          Gee, so generous of you joe Bob, since that is what the freaking gd RULES actually state.

          Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the DNC rules, and as such, all five states could (should??) have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.

          Yet, only MI and FL were penalized.

          DNC rules do not require a 100% stripping of these states’ delegates: the automatic punishment for states that moved primaries to before February 5 was that half (50%) of their delegates be stripped.

          In addition, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee didn’t have to strip even half of the delegates if it found that MI’s and FL’s Democrats had made good faith efforts to stop their respective state legislature from changing of the primary date.

          That DNC Committee was supposed to conduct investigations to determine if Michigan’s and Florida’s Democratic leaders had made good faith efforts to stop the moving of their state’s primary election. Reportedly, the Committee did not conduct such investigations.

          Instead, led by Donna Brazile, the Committee simply decided to impose the harshest sanctions possible on Michigan and Florida — despite rules and circumstances that should have compelled the Committee to show leniency.

          This is what happened, but many do not care and many don’t want to – can’t handle – the truth. So strip away delegates to the 4th (FL) and the 8th (MI) largest state in the nation and two critical must win states in Nov.

          Let me know how that works out for you on Nov. 4th.

    • Jim-Bob

      HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE!

      PS. Hillary has two ells, moron.

      • joe Bob

        didn’t know I was writing a graded term paper, next time I’ll try to do better…HAHAHAHAHA…Funny, I pointed out my viewpoint, I will say i insulted one person for writing YAWN because it is childish and there was no need for it, I find the other insults amusing though, for people who claim to have been tortured by BHO supporters, you sure spew a lot of venom

    • Hope

      Reply to joeBob,
      B)Those votes were cast (whether you feel there was no right to or not) and certified by the Sec of State. Get it?.. votes cast and certified!No one in any party, no candidate, NO ONE can tell an American citizen their vote is not being counted!
      3)(not sure why you changed from alphabet to numeral)She did not say it was rigged against her, we are saying that. And she always maintained that even though the votes were not to be counted (because of DNC “rules”)- THEY SHOULD BE COUNTED. She could not have predicted how close this race would be, her concern at the time was knowing that you could not dispense of the votes in two states and expect to win the general without them.
      4) Electoral College, sweetie:)What’s that? 550 votes in FLORIDA in 2000.
      5) The rules already don’t always apply, FL and MI were not the only states to move their primary
      6) Right, because you are the only person, along with Barry to experience rational thought.. elitist.

    • Ulahane

      A few friendly opinions to interesting arguments.

      B. You are correct that their is no legal right to vote in a primary, it is a privilege. However to disenfranchise can mean to “deprive of civil or electoral privileges” so the term is correct. More importantly, it goes against everything the party stands for. How quickly the stolen election of 2000 is forgotten.

      3. Why? Hubris. Clinton assumed that it wouldn’t matter and that is wasn’t worth fighting Dean, Brazille, and the other DNC members who supported this. It was her human mistake, but Dean and Brazille’s intentional maliciousness.

      4. By pure electoral votes, you are correct. However as key indicator states they are important. There are six states; Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky , Tennessee , Missouri, and Arkansas that, due to similar demographics, virtually always vote as a block*. This block of 61!! electoral votes has either went with a landslide determined the inner in all recent elections. No candidate can win the general election without them and it looks like they will again vote as a block, this time against Sen Obama.

      4. I would buy your argument here if there wasn’t such a long history of states violating party rules by moving ahead. Typically, they are not punished.

      *Arkansas broke with the others twice to vote Democrat – not likely to happen this year.

    • Margaret

      la la la, la la la. I read about three lines but honestly this stuff is so boring I couldn’t bear to read anymore. You all are very unoriginal.

      Hillary or McCain 08!

      And Larry Rocks, We love you Larry!!!

      • http://noquarterusa.net Kourian

        You all are very unoriginal.

        They’re your friends. Treat them better! ;)

    • street_parade

      disenfranchise

      Pronunciation: \ˌdis-in-ˈfran-ˌchīz\
      Function: transitive verb
      Date: 1664
      : to deprive of a franchise, of a legal right, or of some privilege or immunity; especially : to deprive of the right to vote
      ———–
      The right to vote and to have your vote counted applies to ALL elections not just for the office of President. But I guess you follow Stalin’s rules… ‘It’s not the people who vote that count, it’s the people who count the votes’

      Educate yourself!

  • Mike Howell

    Why would anyone vote for someone so stupid that they took their name off of the ballot?!

    It’s a big screw you to voters. And over what?! Fear that Hillary would trounce them. Also, some insane desire to allow some state preferential treatment.

    What the hell’s so special about Iowa and South Carolina?

    Give me a break! You take your name off you lose! How’s that for a rule dumbass!

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      I like your rules.

    • Dawnelle

      (SNICKER)

    • Kourian

      MIKE’S RULES RULEZ! ;)

    • marlene

      Good comment. He turned his back on Kentucky as well because he knew he couldn’t win. He won Oregon but no wonder, that State is left of the left.

      • http://noquarterusa.net Kourian

        He left PA before it was over. He couldn’t finish his waffle. He went to Indiana where he also lost.

        –
        Try to picture Barky as Commander in Chief. It doesn’t work, does it?

    • terri

      I know I’ve read that SC also moved their primary forward to benefit Obama and give him momentum. why weren’t they punished?

  • brandy

    Obama took his name off of the Michigan ballot.

    He was not legally required to do so.

    I have an idea! Let’s simply re-vote in Florida and Michigan!

    We’ll see how anything changes for the better for Obama when his name is on the ballot. Ha!

    Obama tends to remove himself from the competition when he knows that he’s going to lose.

    WV. Kentucky.

    He spends oodles of money on advertisements in states he can not win, but conveniently fails to go and try to win votes in person.

    Why?

    Because he would fail.

    To Obama, it’s better to quit than to lose.

    Hillary worked her butt off in Oregon, even though Obama was heavily favored.

    Obama is the biggest wuss I have ever seen.

    What a joke of a candidate.

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      Wuss and joke just like the clowns who troll here for him.

    • Kourian

      To Obama, it’s better to quit than to lose.

      Great Commander in Chief material.

      (OMG I just saw it – folks! Can you see it? Seriously! CAN YOU SEE BARRY AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF? OHMYFUCKINGGOD!)

  • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

    joe Bob I have a single response to you:

    Kiss my Hillary supporting ass.

  • troll free zone

    Hillary is going to win the nomination and then the Presidency. Of course Dean and his pals are idiots.
    They are all losers (literally). Daschle, Dodd,
    Kerry, McGovern, Edwards, Richardson.
    Really, why are you guys worried about going up against such masterminds? They couldn’t win the Presidency themselves, what in the world makes you think they are smart enough to do it for their hired hand, Obama?
    Keep working.. we’re gonna win this baby.

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      Yes!

      Thank you for showing courage just like our next Command-in-Chief Hillary Clinton.

      I’m Hillary Clinton (sort of) and approved this message.

    • llilytoo

      OMG my money is on Hillary. As you say, just look at the DNC all star line up!! LOL!

  • Carmen

    Ben,
    I think that when Obama is offered a chance for a re-vote in Michigan with his name on the ballot, and he declines, then Hillary should be allowed to keep all the votes that were hers. Obama shouldn’t even get the uncommited votes—many were for Edwards. In truth, they both took their names off the ballot as a political ploy to appease the voters in New Hampshire and pick up THEIR votes instead. Face it, Obama declined a Michigan re-vote because he knew he would lose—no other reason—it was purely for political reasons to work for his advantage.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Logical, but that’s not how it works. The candidates were always able to compromise on a solution. However, given none was reached due to Obama, then it goes to the rules committee.

      The Rules Committee has had the arguments before them, but sat on them. Imagine that.

      He banked on hitting his 2026 before May 31. He missed the mark. Imagine that.

      Sometimes, you play, you pay.

      Obama lost this gamble. He thought he’d turn the momentum in PA. Instead, she’s got the momentum, and he’s outta luck.

      She may be behind on the delegate count, but his unelectability is becoming almost a talking point that is tossed off carelessly. The entire country knows now that he’s the weaker candidate.

      So she succeeded in her goal.

      What even she hadn’t counted on was the activism by her middle-age women. That has surprised everyone.

      • Hope

        Wow, very good points, especially his not getting to 2026 before the rules committee, hope it stays that way.

        • http://noquarterusa.net Kourian

          He can’t get to 2026 before the rules committee. That’s the way the system’s set up. So the PDs can never fully decide. Not in incredibly close races like this one

          –
          Try to picture Barky as Commander in Chief. It doesn’t work, does it?

          • http://deleted AnninCa

            Exactly, so my way of thinking is that there’s nothing to be lost now by going ahead and seating FL and MI as is. It won’t make any difference. They will both still be close. He’ll still have more delegates. It’s still going to come down to SDs.

            So the perception game that she’s “gaining” is over anyway.

            The DNC can just say, “OK, we’ll seat you because this is such an unusual year. BUT, and wag their finger.”

            If they were smart, they’d move on this.

      • llilytoo

        That was a gift of the pustule press.
        Thank guys!

    • Kourian

      Barky can’t win Michigan. It’s a rust belt state. They don’t like his kind there.

  • Lillian

    Excellent rant!

    If the DNC persist along this foolish path, there’s going to be a ‘bloodbath’ in the party for sure after this election. And it won’t just be the DNC that’ll be affected. The effect will be felt all the way down to the elected officials who supported a clearly questionable candidate over a sound one.

    Yes. The electorate will be asking plenty of questions. I don’t think the answers will be too funny. Hopefully the elected guys will knock some sense into the DNC before its too late.

    Meanwhile we outside the USA watch in shock and anger! Not the best example for ‘democracy’ for sure.

    Hillary08!

  • ccwarrior72

    Bob Florida and Michigan had the funds for a re-vote Obama and his lawyers blocked it out of fear he would lose, both Governors had agreed Obama with so much in common with Rev Wright said “GOD DAMN FL AND MI” for his on political gain and the favor will be returned in FL

  • glennmcgahee

    I am not holding my breath for any fair compromise from people like Donna Brazile. Our party has been hijacked! The Obama campaign portrays him as the Washington outsider but look at the people propping him up. Its the good ole boys we’ve been ranting about for years now. Those that promised that term limits would be coming soon. This is the do nothing Congress that we’ve all been hearing about from the Republicans and we refused to listen. I wondered how John Kerry became our nominee all of a sudden in 2004. Obama has never run a camapign against a real rival. He’s only been able to knock em out by technicality. If he can’t even bother to cam[aign in 2 states because they don’t wholeheartedly support him, how does he expect to convince Americans of all stripes to vote for him in the General elction. Its set up to lose again.

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      Donna is just one vote on the committee.

      • ronnykmarshall

        Donna is just one vote on the committee.

        And one brick short of a load!

        • Kourian

          Two freedom fries short of a Happy Meal.

          • http://www.bbc.co.uk/weakestlink/quotes.shtml Anne Robinson

            She has a brain only a mother might love. According to WHOIS she’s the registrant of the domains STUPID.ORG and IGNORANT.COM. She suffers from delusions of adequacy. If brains were taxed Donna Brazile would get a refund. Her brain cell is lonely. She’d come in 3rd place in a duel. She’s got varicose brains. She’s denser than Sherwood Forest. She’s more twit than wit. She has trouble counting her legs. Her wheel is turning but the hamster is dead. She thinks Plato is a friend of Mickey Mouse. She thinks Alitalia is a sallad dressing. Her wheels are turning but the cogs are unbolting from the strain. She did an ML to get in there and onto CNN.

            • so saddened

              lmao!

      • themomcat

        IIRC, Brazile is no longer on the committee that will decide FL & MI.

        • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

          cool

        • http://www.stop-obama.org Kourian

          Yeah. Awesome. What mercenary did they hire in her place?

        • Margaret

          Where did you hear that? Do you have a link? I just had word a few days ago that she was, I believe, a co-chair.

          • Margaret

            Whoops, I don’t think she’s a co-chair, but she was on the list of Committee Members

            • http://noquarterusa.net Kourian

              Still waters run deep.

              The tension between the Bush and Dukakis camps continued to build. One day, while speaking with reporters, Brazile mentioned the oft-repeated rumors that Bush had committed adultery. She urged the reporters to investigate the charges against the Republican candidate. Later, Brazile publicly denounced the Bush campaign’s racist tactics, and denounced him as a philanderer. Realizing that the frustrations of her job had sparked her inflammatory words, she submitted her resignation.

    • NCgal

      Bravo, glennnmcgahee! Your comments about the good ol’ boys, John Kerry, (I remember thinking “What the hell just happened here?” when, suddenly, he was the nomineee in ’04), term limits, etc are DEAD ON!!!

      And, yes, the same network is behind Obama.

    • Nancy

      Donna Brazile is so biased in favor of Obama that she feels it necessary to shake her head no continually while anyone is commenting favorably for Hillary. Don’t count on her to be fair. Hillary, while I am fervently praying daily for you to win the nomination, I agree with Geraldine Ferraro’s veiled threat to vote for McCain in November if you don’t get the nomination. I think that we must show the DNC that our votes do count. They have been warned repeatedly that we will not vote for Obama under any circumstances, and yet they persist in their efforts to nominate him. They think that we will be united come November, but that just will not happen. I can promise you that we will have a Republican in the White House if you are not the nominee.

      • http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/ Debi

        You are so right, I do not think Obama is electable. It just so happens, most voters did not know about him until long after Iowa. There is simply no way any canidate can win the white house without at least getting some of the larger states. Obama has not won any of them, Califonia? No…Ohio? No…..Penn?..No…Florida?..No Texas?..No And the list goes on…….

        http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/

  • Ryan Fleury

    Great Post!!! And no, it’s not over!!!

    Hillary’s supporters are being heard, and that the SDs are only a trickle says a lot. The fact is, they know we won’t vote for them in Nov. The KNOW it!!!

    Hillary or McCain in 2008!!

    Ignore the media – they’re in the tank for Obama.

  • velvetdays

    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO F’ING HOOOO!

    The Stockholm Syndrome on the so-called left has turned them into the oppressors, stooping to undemocratic methods left & right- and shamelessly glorying in it. They’ve trully internalized the abuses one associates with Bu$h Inc. & have turned them on their own like nobody’s business. It is so sad to see these people constantly employing “the ends justifies the means” mentality to this race. And the disrespect for Senator & President Clinton shown by them is seriously disgusting. They, and the press, treat them how the Bush family should be treated, as the Bush family has actually earned scorn, derision, lies, slander, constantly being run down, dark accusations, vile mischaraterizations & so on & so forth.

    Never, never, never have I been more disgusted at this deluded group of dreamers as at this moment- speaking as a former attendee of both Yearly Kos conferences, I can tell you there will be many empty seats at the next one- that’s for damn sure.

    You can count -6 Democrats for life in Pennsylvania.

    Hillary: You are an American original- please know that some of us really do see the architecture of this & we do see precisely what the Vichy wing of the Democratic party is up to & we also sadly see the familiar faces of the professional election throwing brigade standing there leering at us.

    • workingclass artist

      Dr. Alice Miller calls it….identifying with the abuser….This is why many abused become abusers….. ( Drama of the Gifted Child )

  • Wise Up

    Hillary speaks for me!

    She has said repeatedly, “Vote Dem in Nov!”

    We should respect her and do what she’s asked us to do.

    To do less would dishonor her wisdom & her wishes.

    Hillary is smart. People who don’t vote for the Dem are dumb.

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      Funny,

      I got a response to my mailing to superdelegates today from one of them:

      “I have received a number of similar emails form the “Rule or Ruin” crowd. Bottom line, there will be more voters who care about America this November than sore losers and as a consequence Sen Obama will be the elected President.
      vince powers”

      Seems both you and him are in the tank for Obama too. Grats on drinking the koolaid.

      • Hillary is smarter than you!

        Are you saying Hillary is in the tank?!

        That’s rude, sexist and bizarre if you truly support her and aren’t just one of McCain’s hired trolls.

        Hillary is not ‘in the tank’; Hillary & I are in reality, and the reality is American can’t afford a third Bush term under McSame.

        Stop claiming to support Hillary if you’re going to make such lame & stupid accusations against her and her real, grassroots supporters.

        • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

          I think you meant to post this as a response to the post above mine.

        • street_parade

          Good luck with this man. The problem you’ve got is that McCain has spent years and years crafting an image as a moderate Republican and a straight-talking “maverick”. Whether its true or not, doesn’t matter..that’s how he’s perceived. He’s acceptable to a large swath of the electorate in a way the GWB no longer is.
          He’s also clearly a patriot and you can never go wrong playing the patriotism card.

          Obama? What do we know about him? Not much, but what little we do know isn’t very good. If he’s the nominee a lot of the campaign is going to be about the mystery of this “blank slate” who just showed up. Voters don’t like the unknown, especially in times like these…McCain will offer safe harbor, I think the majority of voters will take him up on his offer.

    • Frank

      People who are STILL voting for Obama have to be the stupidest people on earth. A waste of oxygen and space. There is zero reason for this man to get a single vote. A SINGLE FUCKING VOTE. Now take your passive aggressive whining bloated ass elsewhere.

    • so saddened

      as i told your twin earlier, go away, repetitive troll. you trolls keep posting the same damn message. guess you all got the same marching orders at the same time.

      we don’t give a shit about your opinions. f off.

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

    • http://noquarterusa.net Kourian

      No. It’s a FREE COUNTRY. Having the vote means HAVING THE VOTE. It means you can vote for whomever you like.

  • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

    Just in from our next Commander-in-Chief President Hillary Clinton. You have your marching orders, warriors for Hillary!

    Dear Friend,

    I owe our 35-point win in Kentucky yesterday to your incredible support. So let me ask you — do you think we should let the TV talking heads have the final say in this race? Or should we do what we have always done, and fight together for what you and I believe in?

    I have never for one moment forgotten what this race is about — the millions of people who are looking to you and me for the leadership America needs. It’s about getting our economy moving again. It’s about bringing the war in Iraq to a responsible end. It’s about fulfilling America’s energy needs while protecting the planet for our children and grandchildren. It’s about making sure that every man, woman, and child in America has health care.

    Now we have just three races left, and your help is absolutely critical in these final two weeks. So let’s do it. Let’s keep fighting and winning together, as we have all along.

    Contribute today and let’s keep driving toward victory.

    Let’s talk about the state of this race.

    I’ve won more votes than anyone running for the Democratic nomination in the history of our party. I’ve won states that will total 308 electoral votes in November — more than enough to carry the general election. And it is critical that we make certain the more than 2 million voters in Florida and Michigan are heard.

    We can let the media decide this race. We can let the pundits be the ones who determine our party’s nominee. Or we can listen to the voters. Yesterday, voters in Kentucky joined you in sending a clear message — this campaign is far from over.

    Throughout it all, through the ups and downs of this race, you’ve been there, supporting me every step of the way. Help me send a strong message that this race isn’t over yet.

    Contribute now to help us in the final three races.

    I’m so proud of what we accomplished yesterday in Kentucky, and of all the victories we celebrated together. We’ve worked too hard to stop now. Thank you for your incredible support. I don’t have to tell you that I couldn’t do this without you.

    Sincerely,

    Hillary

    Hillary Rodham Clinton

  • Nancy

    Obama is visiting Florida today, yet he still refuses to allow the votes cast in the Florida (and Michigan) primary to be counted. He’s afraid that if Florida is counted, then Clinton will be ahead in the popular vote. But he wants Florida to count in the general election, because he can’t win without Florida. He can’t have it both ways. It’s an insult to every single person in Florida who went to the polls on primary day to exercise their right to vote that he believes they should all get behind him now, when he has totally disregarded their wishes to have their votes count in the primary. It’s extremely hypocritical and naive of him to think that the voters of Florida will put up with this outrageous attitude. The votes should be counted according to the results of the primary. Anything less is simply not acceptable. It’s time we took our country back. Howard Dean, the DNC, the “party leaders”, and the mainstream media have conveniently forgotten the concept of one person, one vote. WE decide who we want the President to be, not them! We don’t care that Hillary will tell us to unite for the good of the party, because we have lost faith in the party. We only want to ensure that Obama is never allowed to be in the most powerful position in the free world. He is not qualified. Vote for McCain in November and teach the DNC a lesson. Yes, we’ll have another Republican president for four years, but he’s not Bush, and then we’ll have Clinton in 2012. I, and many millions like me, am sick of being railroaded by Howard Dean!!!

    • pm317

      Are there people protesting his visit? Any signs of it where he is?

      • Nancy

        Yes, there are thousands protesting Obama’s visit. They are calling their protest “Turn Your Back on Obama”. It’s galling to me to think that he is actually fundraising in Florida when he doesn’t want to count their votes, and I am not a resident, so I can imagine how the Floridians feel. Also, there is a petition being circulated by the residents of Florida. Go to http://www.floridademandsrepresentation.org and download the petition, sign it, then mail it in. We all need to support their efforts to get their votes counted.

        • terri

          Tampa newspaper had a front page story about Obama’s visit. They don’t like him very much. Said he wouldn’t go there to ask for their votes but he comes there now to ask for money!

          • AF catfish

            Which paper? Was it this oneDNC Rules Committee Outlines Agenda for Delegate Flap Meeting:

            WASHINGTON – Taking a vacation to Washington, D.C., next week? Want to give Democrats a piece of your mind?

            Oh it was probably this one:Obama Gives General Election Speech, Doesn’t Mention Delegates, Boycott

            What Obama never mentioned in his stump speech was either the controversial issue of the Florida national convention delegates, banned because of the state’s too-early primary, or his own boycott of Florida during the primary campaign.

            “All I did was play exactly by the rules that were laid out for me,” he said in an interview afterward.

            We need to find this!

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      Nancy, have you compiled a list of anti-Obama Florida editorials? It would be very revealing and useful to show the rules committee. I would imagine there would be a lot of outraged editorials being written as the conman Obama tries to suppress the voters yet get their support at the same time.

      • Nancy

        No, I haven’t compiled any, but I sure have written quite a few myself. And my sister works at it all day since she is retired. Let us know what you’d like us to do and we’ll be happy to help.

        • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

          Post here a bunch of links to any Florida editorials. We can then send them to the rules committee. Ask people to do that when you post the links.

    • http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/ Debi

      I agree completely, McCain is the lesser of two evils……..

      http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/

    • http://noquarterusa.net Kourian

      I never got a good look at this character before.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc

      He’s a pushover. He’s a wuss. No wonder he’s hiding behind the curtains today.

  • pm317

    Memo to Hillary Clinton: Please don’t quit

    By LEWIS W. DIUGUID
    The Kansas City Star

    A Hillary Clinton supporter held up a sign during a campaign rally in Kentucky on Sunday.
    Last summer, I shook Sen. Hillary Clinton’s hand and gave her my business card when she met with the Trotter Group of black columnists. I wished her well in her presidential bid.

    Ever since then I’ve received e-mails from her, Bill Clinton and their daughter, Chelsea Clinton, with video links promoting Hillary Clinton’s historic run for the Oval Office. A half-dozen arrived last week.

    I hadn’t replied until now.

    Dear Sen. Hillary Clinton:

    I have greatly appreciated all of the e-mails from you and your family. I have only two words to share with you about your valiant quest to become the 44th president of the United States and the first woman to hold the highest office in the land:

    Don’t quit.

    Please read the full editorial at
    http://kansascity.com/278/story/628778.html

    Also P.S. from the same author to a commenter at TM via email — this is important:

    P.S. I think it is time for people who support Sen. Clinton to become very outspoken about it. It almost has to be as loud and as public as the suffrage movement. Nothing else seems to work.

    we can’t stop now — we have to BREAK the fix.

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      we can’t stop now — we have to BREAK the fix.

      Yes and we CAN and WILL and MUST do it, our nation depends on us to.

    • hillaryisbest

      Exactly, LOUD and PUBLIC..her supporters need to speak up.

    • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

      Million Women March, in Washington, DC. BEFORE the convention.

      Or if Hillary pulls out on June 3rd: AT the convention.

      With a MILLION signs protesting sexism.

      If the media can go nuts over a political rally helped by a free concert, let them go ape over a million women fed up with the media idea of them.

      Get it up on MyDD or whatever organizing network. But do something constructive, these chances don’t come too often!

    • http://noquarterusa.net Kourian

      P.S. I think it is time for people who support Sen. Clinton to become very outspoken about it. It almost has to be as loud and as public as the suffrage movement. Nothing else seems to work.

      Do the Lysistrata. Get on the boards, man the blogs, swarm over Digg and YouTube. Axelrod’s been doing this for ages.

  • Hillary is correct!

    Last night Hillary said in her victory speech:

    That’s why I’m in this race: to fight for your future. And that’s why, whatever happens, I’ll work as hard as I can to elect a Democratic president this fall.

    You know, the state motto of Kentucky is, “United we stand, divided we fall,” words that have a special place in our history. They inspire American revolutionaries to unite the colonies, to defy an empire, and create a new nation, to invent a new form of government, of the people, by the people, and for the people, and they bound our nation together in service and sacrifice, even in our darkest hours.

    We will come together as a party, united by common values and common cause, united in service of the hopes and dreams that know no boundaries of race or creed, gender or geography. And when we do, there will be no stopping us.

    We won’t just unite our party. We will unite our country and make sure America’s best years are still ahead of us.

    Thank you. And God bless you, and God bless America.

    Hillary is a patriot and she’s knows what’s best for our country: To support the Dem nominee whether it’s her or Barack.

    You don’t support Hillary’s values or share her wisdom if you do otherwise.

    • http://liberalrapture.com scott

      DON’T PREACH TO ME.

      IN CASE YOU FORGOT THIS IS A FREE COUNTY.

      • http://liberalrapture.com scott

        that would be country

        • Hillary is Wiser than you.

          Hillary asked you to do something?

          Do you really support her?

          Or are you a paid McCainiac troll?

          Sounds like the latter.

          If not, honor Hillary’s voice; vote Dem in Nov.

          • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

            Shut the f*ck up you paid oibama blog poster. we know it’s your new tactic to use “Hillary said to vote Dem” line to discourage any talk of breaking party lines.

            Get Lost Paid Obama Blog Posters.

          • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

            Your 5th grade guilt trip ploy is laughable.

            When it comes to my vote I march to my own drummer.

            I support Hillary but that doesn’t mean she tells me who to vote for in the GE if she is not in the race.

            Nice try, but no cigar.

            In case you did not notice she is still way in this race so counting her out is not very wise.

            • Kevin

              If women were more rational and less emotional, they would vote for Obama. They will learn with time. As Michelle says, they will wake up. Besides, Hillary is not a MILF. Why would young voters like me want to vote for an old hag?

              Obama ’08!!

              • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

                If obama was more electible they would.

                But women know better.

              • Margaret

                Keep up the misogyny! It will just keep sending more of us to vote for McCain!

              • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

                Kiss my ass Kevin. I wrote real time radar software for a decade. Don’t give ME your Wimmin’ have no logic shit,you sexist pig.

                If you had a half a brain you would be just as concerned about this man as half the party is.

                • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

                  I notice how you think racism isn’t acceptable, but you have no problem with sexism.

                  Far as I am concerned, all bets are off. Obama doesn’t care about women, we don’t care about blacks.

                  So take the race card and shove it up your ass.

              • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

                Besides, Hillary is not a MILF. Why would young voters like me want to vote for an old hag?

                Besides, Obama isn’t white. Why would a white person like me want to vote for a black man?

                • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

                  Uppity you are brutal and most appropriately so with this sexist.

                • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

                  I’m beginning to think troll boy works for Hillary. All he does is help her.

              • layla

                And by your reason for voting for barack is that he is young and attractive? And you claim women are irrational and emotional? Looks like your little tool is dictating how you vote. You are so obviously pathetic, you don’t even know it. Take care now…..

          • alexei

            Hillary Clinton is fine with what she will ask – and I will be voting for a Democrat – her!.

          • alibe4-Hillary

            Remember how Obama talked about things being changed from the bottom up. Well, this is our form of Bottom up change. Obama, you have lost any support you might have had from women, older voters, Italians, Catholics, Appalachian people, Working class, Whites, Asians, Hispanics. yep, this is a big bottom up FUCK YOU, Obama and the corrupt horse you rode in on.

          • http://liberalrapture.com scott

            I plan to vote Dem I plan to vote for Sen Clinton!

            You seem to appreciate what she has to say so why don’t you vote for her!

          • scott

            You are apperantly under the impression that Sen. Clinton is not going to get the nomination. That’s sad.

            She will get the nom and she will beat McCain and she will be the 44th President of the United States of America.

          • hillaryisbest

            Obama asked you to ‘be nice to Hillary supporters’, are you?
            He asked you to stop driving SUVs and eating as much as you want and heating your home? Are you?

          • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

            Hillary asked you to do something?

            Nope.

            Do they teach you how to brainwash at BO University? You know where every college flunkie can enter and get a degree in racist theology?

            Guess what? You flunked again, just like your role model — where 3rd graders could teach him geography better. :)

            Obama puts Bush’s “My Pet Goat” jokes to rest. As even a cowboy knows there isn’t 57 US states. Besides, like the Clintons, Yale seems to graduate better students. :)

        • Caps Lock

          that would be country

          And you would be a moron just like your father before you.

          PS. You found the Caps Lock key? Fantastic!

        • workingclass artist

          hate it when the keyboard rebels….chuckle….

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      Paid Obama trolls latest tactic:

      You hillary supporters are dumb
      Hillary said vote dem so you HAVE to vote Barrack.

      yeah yeah what ever. ESAD

    • Margaret

      Unlike Obama supporters, we’re not clones. We use our brains, you know, to think for ourselves.

      • Kourian

        Yeah! What a radical idea! Maybe it comes from GROWING UP? ;)

    • so saddened

      same message as sent to your twins above. repetitive trolls spewing same old crap – f off. we don’t care about your opinions or those of the jerk you’re supporting. you’re not changing anyone’s mind. if anything, you’re just cementing our already firm determination to vote against obaby.

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

    • Thrasyboulos

      Doesn’t matter what Clinton says. She’s a politician and has her eye on the next one. Good for her.

      On the other hand, there’s no afirmative action in the general. Rezko Democrat Barack Obama will make George McGorvern look like General George Patton in November.

      Even Massachusetts will be lost to Chicago machine politician, Barack Obama. When the media unloads on his sleazy friends and wacky reverends, Ayers Democrat Barack Obama will have no place to hide.

      Prepare for the worst.

      • Thrasyboulos

        Correction

        affirmative

      • Kourian

        Yes but BE READY FOR AXELROD. David Axelrod’s been in the current game going on five years. He’s behind both Barry and Deval. He plays the long term.

        Right now it’s May. The election isn’t until November. That’s half a year away. Axelrod knows that. Don’t us forget it either.

    • http://CA90064 Only Hillary Will Do

      You guys are lame. Seriously, you’re not even the slightest bit convincing.

      • Kourian

        He doesn’t work at TGIF. Not unless he’s a bus boy. They serve alcohol and I think you have to be 18 to work there. ;)

    • Strawberrybitch

      God, not another second tier concern troll,oy. Dude, you’re not very good, go back to you day job at TGIFriday’s.

    • workingclass artist

      Take your fascist obama candidate and your demofascist new party and with the demogliarchy…shoveit ! Correct….I aint goin to vote for a FASCIST
      OBAMA….WIN WITHOUT ME

    • http://noquarterusa.net Kourian

      Check the comments on that article. Almost everyone there:

      - is positive to Hill and extremely negative to Barry;

      - is going to either write Hill in or vote McCain and says so already.

      Unless this is an Internet meme thing it looks as serious as we predicted.

  • http://liberalrapture.com scott

    Any idea when barkys news conference is going to be to tell us that Betsy Ross and Abe Lincoln have endorsed him from the grave and Al Gore of course.

    http://www.liberalrapture.com

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      LMAO!

    • http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/ Debi
    • hillaryisbest

      OMG…..LMAO!!!!!!

  • http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

    Fab job — Today I wrote about Michael Moore too and Domedia and everyone–please read my link to savage politics TRUE STORY about what O signed as law on Labor — very important to America. Also there are things about the Maytag man.

    xxoo! the force is with us, as in intellectual workforce — send the shill packing, kiddos——-

    • Kourian

      Yeah the Maytag story. What a screw job he did on the workers there. They remember too. Barry’s only got friends if George Linda and Paula have money.

  • brandy

    My dad voted along party lines to help elect Dubya, and it was a decision about which he repeatedly expressed regret.

    I don’t do what I’m told, even when I really care about the person who’s telling me to do something.

    I’m over 18. I research issues and candidates. Buzzwords and slogans and concert type affairs do not sway me.

    I listen to the content of the message.

    I think independently and will not be encouraged to regret a vote that I cast for a candidate that is a Democrat, but in whom I have no trust or confidence.

    This country means more than loyalty to a Party that turned its back on me months and months ago.

    I have no qualms–zero–with voting Republican in November.

    • Kourian

      Hear hear. Very eloquent and very brave. Cheers.

  • Robin

    I’ll do anything Hillary asks of me, EXCEPT that.

    I can’t and won’t ever vote to put the Obama’s in control of this country.

    • Yes We Will!

      Then you never really supported her to begin with.

      You’re no better than a paid McCainiac troll.

      Go back to Free Republic.

      Hillary & I will take this country back!

      • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

        Paid Obama Trolls newest tactic of using Hillary said vote Obama in the general is getting old so fast.

        Seriously don’t you twats have voters to register in the cemetary for mail in ballots?

        • Hillary is smarter than you!

          So you admit you’re a paid McCainiac troll?

          Nobody is paying me to support Hillary, nor to support her wishes should she sadly not be the nominee.

          I’m willing to do what she wants because I support her.

          You are obviously supporting yourself by trolling from Karl Rove’s boilerroom.

          • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

            This is the best “thought for the day” you Obama trolls could come up with? Have things slipped that far over at the Obamanation?

            “Oh, whine, I love Hillary so I’ll do whatever she asks. If you don’t vote for Obama, you don’t really support Hillary. More whine.” But you can never keep it going, can you? You always have to wind up with an insult.

            Once more, I and the others in my family are going to vote for the better candidate in the GE. If the contest is between Hillary and McCain, we will vote for Hillary. If the contest is between McCain and Obama, we will vote for McCain.

            What really scares you is that Hillary will be the nominee. She’s got momentum, and Obama’s got the vapors.

          • Thrasyboulos

            Clinton is a politician, and she will do what she has to do for next time, after Rezko Democrat Barack Obama goes down in McGovernite flames in Novemeber, should Dean/Brazile continue to game the nomination.

            Whether some Democrats vote for McCain is immaterial. Ayers Democrat Barack Obama is going to lose, and lose big. His media leghumpers will turn on him like junkyard dogs to elect McCain. This, of course, is obvious to anyone but The Cult.

            Hard lessons ahead. Hard lessons.

            • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President & Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton **==

              The cult is right.

              I see pod people.

          • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

            Right…tell me do you have a plush Obama teddy bear to sleep with at night?

          • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

            So you admit you’re a paid McCainiac troll?

            Nope. I don’t vote for Neo-Cons nor Neo-Liberals, as I’m a moderate Traditional conservative. :)

      • Robin

        To: Yes we will- What the hell are you talking about. I have been a Hillary supporter from day one. Just because I won’t vote for Obama does not make me a McCaniac troll. I think you better back off, as I am more of a Hill supporter than you could ever know.

        Don’t fuck with me people. I am sick of the Obamabots. I don’t need the shit from people claiming to be Hill supporters.

      • Strawberrybitch

        Give me a break. Your concern is just a tad too saccharine to be believed. And your argument sounds like something my ten year old twins would come up with. Wait, that’s an insult to my munchkins.

      • Kourian

        Easy easy easy. There are those who see Barky as dangerous. Can you picture him as Commander in Chief during a real serious national crisis? Barky? LOL

        So your threats – for that’s what they are – are either Obama Nazi trolling or relatively innocent but injudicious.

        Let people vote the way THEY want to vote.

        It’s called ‘democracy’.

      • scott

        Good then vote for her and shut up.

  • IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DEMOCRATIC?

    “Comment by troll free zone | 2008-05-21 13:41:17″

    good point!

    Keep working.. we’re gonna win this baby.

  • http://www.protestvote08.com Protest Vote08

    Yes – Clinton supporters have always been the majority but we must be heard. I am starting a movement at http://www.ProtestVote08.com in hopes in using the power of the more than 17 million who voted HRC. Please help me get started – we can do this!

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      My protest vote will be McCain if Obama steals the nomination. I have not visited your site but if it suggests writing in Hillary or anything other than voting McCain I have no interest.

      Hillary or plan B McCain.

      Now back to fighting for Hillary! She is still way in this and needs our help!

      • so saddened

        same here. a mccain vote is the only way to ensure obaby’s defeat. and obaby’s defeat is essential.

        hillary or mccain. no other option.

        • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

          We have to sway the write-in folks to our POV if Obama by miricle is in the GE. It won’t be a hard sell.

        • Kourian

          obaby’s defeat is essential

          Yes. It’s the top priority.

      • http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/ Debi

        I agree that anyone would be a better choice than Obama…
        http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/

  • yellowdogdemocrat

    When will CNN ask voters if they believe Michelle Obama shares the views of Reverend Jeremiah Wright of the God Damn America church?

  • LBJ’s Love Child

    …the ranting of a bitter, gun-clutching, God-lovin’ Obama hater.

    Hey! I resemble that remark!

    • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

      lololol

      About 90% of the country does!

  • http://bentcorner.com Rick Rottman

    I think we have people in positions of leadership that wouldn’t mind it so awful much to lose the 2008 Presidential election to McCain. If we Democrats have the White House, the Senate, and the House, it will mean that some actual work will have to get done.

    Hard work.

    It would be a lot easier to just sit back and blame McCain for all of our problems for the next four years then to actually solve them. Harry Reid wouldn’t have extra time on his hands to do things like write books about his life. He would have to actually get shit done.

    • so saddened

      excellent point, rick. i think they know we’re in for tough times after bush’s terms. if they can’t fix things, which they can’t, they want a repub to blame.

      sad thing is that hillary COULD fix things. the pelosis, etc., however, don’t understand how someone can be competent, since it’s not something they’re familiar with.

      anyway, if they succeed in nominating obaby, i’m fine with mccain as pres. he can do whatever he can, take the heat, and serve as the excuse for our incompetent congress. then we can elect hillary in 2012.

      anything is better than obaby in office.

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

    • Strawberrybitch

      BOINGO!!!! You’re one smart cookie.

  • Kevin

    Kentucky does not matter, Hillbots. Those racist pigs are low information voters, and their voices debase political discourse in this country. Oregon matters, as Oregon is home to the creative class. All Hillary supporters are racists who cannot control their hysteria. Go iron a shirt and just accept the inevitable: Obama beat the old witch.

    Obama ’08!!! Vote Hope and Change!!!!

    • B-Rob

      That is right. If Hillary cannot keep Bill happy, how can she keep me happy?

      Obama ’08!!!!

      • JM

        I don’t know… how do imbeciles keep themselves happy these days? ;)

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        Keep in touch with yourself. I’m sure that’s how you get happy.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        B-Rob could you explain why you and Kevin are the same person? Just wondering.

        • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

          It’s sorta like the way Obama and George W. Bush share the same brain.

        • scott

          They are siamese twins that way they can jerk each other off in the bathroom and not get caught.

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      All those caucus states that will go red on November 4 wont matter.

      Enjoy 4 years of McCain.

      You can always go back to the slum hospitals in Chicago when you feel the miss for Obamboozlama

    • JM

      Damn it boy, you sure sound like a misogynist to me. As for your contention that Kentucky doesn’t matter in the general election, if we all felt the same as you, then we could say the Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Vermont don’t matter much in the electoral scheme of things for the Democrats. When is the last time that Utah, Idaho, or Wyoming voted for a Democratic candidate for president? It seems to me that Kentucky supported Bill Clinton twice, not all that long ago, so they do matter in this upcoming election. Kentucky voters have shown that they are receptive to Democrats while Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming voters have shown their indifference to Democrats. I’ll side with the Kentucky voters and their preferences any day.

      As for Oregon being home to the creative class, that is such a stupid, but albeit, “creative” comment. I suppose Democrats in California, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts (probably the most liberal voting record of all states), do not have any “creative” people in them?

      I think that you may have mistated another of your opinions. Obama supporters are the people who are consumed with hysteria. They describe Obama’s support as a “movement”. The only movement I see within the true Democratic base of the party is movement away from Obama. He is a fraud that has been perpetrated on weak minded people like yourself.

      • http://CA90064 Only Hillary Will Do

        “They describe Obama’s support as a “movement”. ‘

        Yeah, a BOWEL MOVEMENT

    • Kevin’s Incestuous Stepmom

      Kevin! Oh Keeeeeeeeeevin! Stop playing with that computer, sweetie! Come to bed! Please! I made your favorite jello dessert tonight! Don’t you want your jello, Kevin?

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Not only is the Fix in, it’s been in for a long time. Thus, the removal of only one name from the Michigan ballot. Not only is the Fix in, but the lazy candidate shows it in everything he says and everything he doesn’t do, namely “bother” with those states he knows he’s losing. He is crawling to the finish line like an infant waiting for mommy to give him the Free Shove.

    His Omen is In too. The Presumptive Winner continues to get his ass kicked by the Presumptive Loser. He will see more in the fall.

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      The only thing he is going to win in November is a free ticket back to chi-town and a possible pending indictment for the kitchen cabinet pay for play scheme he helped set up for his friend Tony “show me the money” REzko.

      Inmate 5398742 ’08

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      He will see more in the fall.

      Not if we can help it.

      Hey billionaire, up your reward 5 million a day on that video the trolls wish does not exist. It will surface real quick with multiple copies floating around.

    • scott

      Uppity Edwards and Richardson took their names of too in solidarity with their brother from another mother.

  • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

    Pod people: the racism thing? You have become the racists by falsely and maliciously using it against us. And Karma will love you for it.

    Look how far it got Barky. We will knock him and you out of the ballpark in due time. Count on it.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      The Race Card. We haven’t see that in what, twenty minutes?

      • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

        Commander Spock says 13 minutes and 12.345 seconds.

  • Zee

    I dunno. I was underwhelmed by this rant. Maybe it was because I’ve read nothing new here, and not only that, but before the fold I was expecting a rundown on all of the shady behind the scene dealings and what we got instead was an incomplete carping about Florida and Michigan, with an incomprehensible snide aside about Bill Clinton, to boot.

    I mean, there is no ammo here. What we NEED, as was called for on this site, and I agree, is a succinct overview of facts and less emotion (altho that part is hard!).

    Such as John over at LiberalRapture.com touched upon:

    “The poison pill in Florida GOP “paper trail” voting bill: Moving the primary up in violation of DNC rules became impossible for Democrats to vote against. They would have had to vote against a “paper trail” – after the 2000 thievery. Check mate.”

    We need to be rubbing the Obamaborg’s collective face in the fact they are punishing Florida voters for endeavoring to get a paper trail on their ballots! Instead of this bizarre sandwich of concern surrounding a classic case of CDS…Bill Clinton may not be helping, either, but what a waste of time to focus on him instead of making the case oneself…which this rant came well short of doing.

    • dcmediagirl

      Zee:

      Re: my characterization of Bill Clinton. There’s a literary device called “irony’. It’s all the rage these days. I’ve provided the definition for you here:

      i·ro·ny: the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning.

      As to how and why Florida’s primary date was moved up, frankly my dear, I couldn’t give a damn. And why pick on Florida? Michigan got screwed too, remember? The END RESULT is all that matters, not some Republican conspiracy to screw Democrats. As far as the Michigan and Florida votes being counted and the delegates are being seated are concerned, it’s DEMOCRATS who are screwing Democrats. And that’s not emotion, that’s fact.

      Forget how it happened or whether it’s fair or not. Concentrate on fixing it. Otherwise Michigan and Florida get hosed. End of story.

      • Kevin

        I see you penned another one of your periodic rants, DC. Just let us know when you are no longer irritable and therefore capable of formulating a real thought.

        Obama ’08!!!

        • kevin

          this is dedicated to all

          –pastor wright
          –louis farrahkhan
          –obama trolls
          —obamas
          –DNC
          —DEAN
          –kerry

          –edwards
          —DONNA BRAZILE
          –al sharpton
          –clyburn

          –-CNN

          –NY TIMES

          –MSNBC

          –ariana huff

          –KIETHO

          –TIM RUSSERT

          –CHRIS MATHEWS

          ——-CAFFERTY

          …………………./´¯/)
          ………………..,/¯../
          ………………./…./
          …………./´¯/’…’/´¯¯`·¸
          ………./’/…/…./……./¨¯\
          ……..(’(…´…´…. ¯~/’…’)
          ………\……………..’…../
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          …………..\………….\…

        • HARP

          Is that you pea pod ?

        • Kevin’s Incestuous Stepmom

          COME TO BED KEVIN! MOMMY NEEDS YOU NOW!

  • Kevin

    I am sick of bitter old women telling me how to vote. Look, Michelle Obama is a MILF, and Hillary is not. No one wants to watch Hillary age for eight years. Just deal with the inevitable. It is our time. Step aside, you racist old hags, and let the learners get it done.

    Obama ’08!!!

    • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

      Uppity, do you think Kevin/BRob might also be Chris Matthews?

      Kevin, for women everywhere, we’re sorry your penis is so small and you are so ugly women and children run screaming from your presence; but we’re not giving Obama the pity vote.

      • so saddened

        i’m really not sorry kevin’s penis is so small.

        i don’t know what a milf is, but assume it’s something juvenile, since it came from kevin.

        • Strawberrybitch

          MILF= Mother I’d like to Fuck. Mature huh? Sexist? Pffft, never. God, I’d love to go three…nah, for his piddley ass sake, one 2 minute round with Kevin. No pads, no gloves, and kicks to the head are OK. God,a girl can deam, can’t she?

          • so saddened

            thanks for the info, strawberry. now i know that kevin and his alter egos are truly as despicable as i had thought. and to think that obamaloons have the nerve to look down on other people!

            i share your dream. kevin wouldn’t last through the two minute round, though. and the head isn’t what i’d be kicking.

    • AbeforObamoron

      if you like gorilla warfare

    • Kevin’s Incestuous Stepmom

      KEVIN! YOU TOLD ME I WAS YOUR MILF!! I DON’T WANT YOU GETTING TOO FRIENDLY WITH THOSE OTHER PEOPLE, KEVIN! I TOLD YOU!

      NOW COME TO BED. I’VE GOT YOUR HOT WATER BOTTLE READY!

    • Fem Dem inPa.

      Kevin

      you’re a poster child for birth control

  • Zee

    “Thus, the removal of only one name from the Michigan ballot. ”

    Uppity, this is not the case. Obama tried to get everyone except Hillary to remove their names…and failed. I can’t remember how many took their names off but some did, some didn’t.

    This is the kind of fact we need to pin down and repeat till everyone knows it.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      Just one more example of what a cheat he is. His chickens will come back to roost when a large percentage of Democrats vote with the republicans in November and McGovern his ass back to Chicago.

    • http://humorhasit.blogspot.com Shez

      You are correct, Edwards and Obama did their damndest to talk all the guys into to removing their names, and put out the word to embarrass Hillary. Appeasing Iowa was a secondary bonus contrary to popular belief, and it made a more palatable motive than the real truth of blatant sexism and dirty dealing. We all knew Hillary was their target.

      Richardson and Biden followed along with Edwards and Obama on the scam. Those were the only 4 names not on our ballot. But Clinton, Dodd, Gravel, and Kucinich remained on it. Our state laws will have this loophole closed up forever before the next primary.

      When it came down to Kucinich at first he started to go along with the scam until he figured out what was really happening. His office therefore had a sudden “snafu” on his paperwork to file for the big deadline to have his name removed, which insured it remained on where it belonged. Towards the end before the primary he thumbed his nose at the DNC and their fucked up Rulz & Pledge and openly campaigned in Michigan with his wife. Not a peep was said about him breaking any pledge to not campaign in the state. (which I attribute to because the blatant Uncommitted campaigning was in such full force as to be laughable at the arrogance of it) He received over 21,000 votes too. Good for Dennis.

      All the names on the ballot received votes plus tthe Uncommitted line. All the names of every single candidate we had were listed in the exit polls and had percentages. Hillary smoked the whole lot combined. It was sweet to watch Uncommitted go down in flames, and they barely won only 2 counties. She almost swept all 83 MI counties.

  • Jack
    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      Plan?

      The best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry.

      I wish him luck with his plan if there is one as it has become a major cluster fuck.

  • Zee

    Kevin, you are a poster child of Obama sexist thugs. Too bad the MSM doesn’t shove yours and the Obama 400thugs words in Obama’s face and ask him whether you are LOW CLASS too? MILF if not a compliment, btw…

    • Kevin

      Eventually you women will get it. Now you can cling to your fantasy of a female President, but those of us who want real change will win. Just deal with it: we are smarter, stronger, bigger and better.

      Obama ’08!!!

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        Eventually you women will get it. Now you can cling to your fantasy of a female President, but those of us who want real change will win. Just deal with it: we are smarter, stronger, bigger and better.

        Obama ‘08!!!

        Eventually you black men will get it. Now you can cling to your fanstasy of a black President.
        Just deal with it in November.

        • Iron Man

          Kevin is not black. Why would you want to go racial on him???

          • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

            From what he is saying in his comments, I’m sure she thought it was Obama himself, the premature electionator.

            • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

              Another reason she thought he was Obama is that in an earlier comment, Kevin/BRob/Barack said Michele Obama was a MILF. Now, come on, nobody but Barack would write that. And even he probably doesn’t mean it — you know how he lies: yeah, Maytag workers, don’t worry about those jobs, I’ll take care of it.

      • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

        I usually don’t reply to you directly as it is my policy not to associate directly with sexists, racists and ageists.

        But you are a piece of work and about all you accomplish doing is furthering our resolve to crush your wannabe deity-in-chief Obama and you along with him.

        You refuse to understand that you empower us. So continue to knock yourself out silly you pitiful little man.

        • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

          You refuse to understand that you empower us.

          They are slow learners, aren’t they?

      • Thrasyboulos

        My nearly blind cat will become President before Rezko Democrat Barack Obama.

        His Chicago machine cronies will hire him to give speeches in the rubber chicken circuit. He’s good at that. And bamboozling idiots. He’s VERY good at that.

      • Strawberrybitch

        Bring it littleman, I’d own your ass!!! See my challenge above.

  • LBJ’s Love Child

    A fair and equitable solution going by the rules:

    1) Strip Michigan of 50% of their delegates, as the rules dictate.

    2) Award delegates to those candidates whose names were on the ballot. Candidate “Uncommitted” is just who the name says.

    3) Seat all of Florida’s delegates because they TRIED to keep the FL Leg from moving the primary up.

    4) Strip any candidate who campaigned in Florida of their delegates, as the rules dictate. Obama’s ads are noted as campaigning.

    Sorry, Barack, but the rules are the rules.

    • hillarysmygirl

      LOL, that’s very funny. And so true!

  • http://goodtimepolitics.com/ Goodtimepolitics

    I sure agree with all you said! I am very suprized that the American people can be fooled so easy. There has been many signs in the path that said that Obama was a fake and lier about his past and where he stands on issues. We better all pull together to defeat this man from winning the White House! Thanks for a good post!
    http://goodtimepolitics.com/2008/05/21/obama-is-swimming-in-a-sea-of-left-wing-extremism-with/

  • kat in your hat

    This race has definitely been fixed and scripted. Hillary does indeed deserve a great deal more credit than she is getting because she is going up against odds that are bigger and more malevolent than many know.

    Obama has been groomed for this, and he has been protected and promoted by the media, and he has money coming in from serious billionaires around the world. Do not believe that all his money is coming in from small donors and simple wealthy Americans.

    Bush leaving is an inevitable “change” anyway, so everyone should ask Obama what the real “change” is and why do SO many people, even so many of our enemies around the world, back him? What’s in it for them? They all know that he is a junior senator with a non-existent to poor record, so what is really going on?

    What are all these people being promised? But a better question is: do they all share a common ideology for America and her “change”?

    Something bigger is happening. I think Obama would be horrible for our country, and the “change” would be a shift in our global status–militarily and economically.

    I’ve researched Obama and I have a pretty good idea of what the “change” is, and believe me, I don’t think anyone is ready for it.

    NOBAMA.

  • Michigander

    Yup. Edwards removed his name too. Hmmm… Some say Obama (and Edwards) did this to try to make Hillary look bad. Pure dirty politics at its best at the expense of voters rights. Our state Democratic chairman was interviewed awhile ago on local news and as I recall he explained that there were threats made by Iowa and New Hampshire Democratic Party officials as to a candidate losing support in their election ya da, ya da. Maybe Obama made one of his famous “backroom deals” with Iowa who knows? In any event Hillary wouldn’t be swayed and many of us Michiganders love this about her. As usual she’s the one sticking by the American voter. The best thing about this primary campaign is that we are seeing who the candidates really are and what their “true colors” are. I’ve come to admire and respect Hillary Clinton so much more watching her continue on and stand up for what’s right. Obama will never get my vote and I will vote against him. How dare Obama, Edwards and the DNC mess with our civil rights by using us as pawns in their “fix”.

    • http://musingonobama.blogspot.com portia9

      I was under the impression that Edwards and Obama removed their names because they were both polling under 20%, and could potentially not have received the 15% necessary to receive any delegates at all. I also was under the impression that Obama surrogates in Michigan were urging people to go and vote uncommitted.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        Yes the Uncommitted were the Obama votes, paltry as they were. I captured a page in my.barackobama about that plan. For a bunch of “geniuses” they sure were dumb.

        Then there was the “Obama must win at ALL costs” page.

  • MariaWr

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  • raymo

    Banana Republic indeed.

    If the Obama bots are so sure they’ve won, then by all means why not seat Florida and Michigan right now–today? If there is no way that she can catch him, then what is the issue? Isn’t he worried about dissing the people of Florida, whose votes he will need in November?

    Isn’t Mr. Hopey concerned about the ethics of disenfranchising 2.3 million people? How cynical is that?

    This is McGovern all over again. Obama supporters want to LOSE to John McCain in November. It’s obvious to me. Every single indication is that Obama is ONLY likely to be the nominee because the system has been rigged for him. And that will be revealed in November, when he loses in a landslide.

    Dear Obamabots: You are to blame for this. You are going to give us 4 more years of McSAME with your insistence that we run a candidate who can not win.
    Roe is on YOUR heads, Iraq blood on YOUR hands. You are forcing us to run a LOSER, and destroying the party in the process.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      This could be WORSE than McGovern. McGovern didn’t disenfranchise two states and then there is the Latino population that won’t go for Obama.

  • MomWhoCares4USA

    I read that the DNC rules and bylaws committee has already decided the outcome of the May 31st meeting — and it will be unfair to the voters of Florida and Michigan, i.e., give advantage to Obama. Yep. The fix is in. And the Democratic party is uttering a death rattle.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      Not a death rattle. Another marginalization caused by the same radical left that just won’t get the hell out of the party because they failed in their own parties. That’s why we only elected two presidents in 30 years. The MAJORITY moderates just don’t want these assholes running America.

  • K. Wynne

    Let’s get real. Hillary has no choice but to ask her supporters to back Obama, should he be anointed by the DNC, sans the rules, fair play and enfranchisement of the citizens of 2 major swing states by the DNC power elite.

    She is being blamed for everything by the Obama crowd and his DNC friends (kind of like we blame our mothers, but never our fathers) for all the problems in the family. If she didn’t ask us to support a democratic ticket, they most assuredly will lay Obama’s loss at her feet and the media will lend a hand.

    To date, Obama has not been held accountable for anything he has done or said or lied about. These guys have no shame and are willing to destroy Hillary to complete their plan and for any candidate to have this kind of unconditional support, is evidence of a coup. The question is how many are involved and for what reason.

    Most assuredly, this sham of a primary has been approved of by the power elite, with powerful and rich men — George Soros — pulling their strings. I’m certain a lot of his money has been spread around to bribe many of the SD’s and other political figures, who have stabbed Hillary in the back, and endorsed Obama, in order to build on the illusion that he actually is winning the majority of votes.

    However, no matter how this thing plays out, and there is absolutely no way of predicting the final outcome because, like Hillary, I believe in the resolve of the American people to stand up and fight for their country because we see what’s going on here.

    In an attempt to derail their devious plan, I predict millions of Hillary supporters re-registering as Independents and voting for McCain, should Obama be the nominee.

    Such a crossover would make it impossible for Obama to win in the GE. They’d have to rig every voting machine and pay off every election official to be able to commit fraud of this caliber and I just don’t see that happening. I believe they overplayed their hand and underestimated Hillary and her supporters.

    Hillary sent us a message last night in her victory speech — keep working, keep fighting for what we believe in because that’s exactly what she’s going to.

    Yes, I am following Hillary’s instructions.

    • so saddened

      hillary says dems should vote for obambi.

      if obambi is nominated, i’m no longer a dem.

      problem solved!

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        Hillary will do what she has to do. Hillary didn’t tell me to vote for her. I pick who I support, just as you do. I will not vote Obama for president and that includes even if he picks my mother for VP.

        • so saddened

          uppity, i’d love to see you as vp. but if you run with obambi, i’ll vote mccain. (and so would you!)

          • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

            Hell I wouldn’t even walk by him. Not to worry.

        • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

          I would not vote for Obama if he Picked my mother for VP, divorced Michelle and married my sister, put his kids up for adoption and used the proceeds to by me a powerboat and then showed up on the weekend with a pipe and a bag of blow and said “Hey Bro lets go hang out!”

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President Hillary Clinton **==

      To date, Obama has not been held accountable for anything he has done or said or lied about.

      Yes he has, by the voters last night and by us. And the word is out that he is bad news. His spin team in the MSM must be getting worried as they look more and more the laughing stocks America sees them as. It must be embarrassing to be Matthews right now.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      He may win this battle but he won’t win the November war. That brings Hillary to 2012. Worth the wait. By then, Obama will be in the political graveyard with McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis. Just like he deserves.

  • Iron Man

    Consider that there are people in here deliberately trying to racially and sexually inflame

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      Ya think?

  • http://www.despair.com/idiocy.html Smilin’ Jim

    Bill Clinton is playing smart politics by bringing up the ghost of Florida 2000.

    He full well knows that RECOUNT, a HBO docudrama of that debacle featuring Laura Dern as Katherine Harris is premiering on HBO this Sunday. Also featured in RECOUNT are Kevin Spacey as Ron Klain, Bob Balban as Ben Ginsberg, John Hurt as Warren Christopher and Denis Leary as Michael Whouley

    Now that’s how an old pro uses leverage.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      LOL*……actually, it sounds like a smart program director.

  • jeff

    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/05/obamas-clean-mo.html
    Friday, 16 May 2008
    Obama’s clean money
    By John Rentoul

    Terrific article in The Atlantic on the extraordinary fund-raising success of the Barack Obama campaign. Funny stuff, money, especially in America, Brobdingnag of revolutionary capitalism, where the giants of each wave eat their parents: IBM, Microsoft, Google.
    The numbers are so large as to have no meaning. Obama has raised a quarter of a billion dollars so far. What is more “he is doing it almost effortlessly”. Quite unlike the traditional top-down model of political fund-raising where the candidate has to work dinners and small rooms hard to raise large cheques, this is a vast, self-generated and self-sustaining internet phenomenon in which thousands of people all over America have spontaneously decided to raise small donations from Facebook friends and social networks.
    The social-networking model provided Obama with something that insurgents before him, from Gary Hart to McCain, always lacked: a means of capturing excitement and translating it into money. In the 2004 primary, Howard Dean raised $27 million online. Obama is fast approaching $200 million.
    In the classic American style (the article is 5,000 words long), Joshua Green details the technological and social changes, and the astute decisions of the candidate, that saw Hillary Clinton’s brilliantly organised existing-model campaign simply overwhelmed.
    While his rivals continued to depend on big givers, Obama gained more and more small donors, until they finally eclipsed the big ones altogether. In February, the Obama campaign reported that 94 percent of their donations came in increments of $200 or less, versus 26 percent for Clinton and 13 percent for McCain. Obama’s claim of 1,276,000 donors through March is so large that Clinton doesn’t bother to compete; she stopped regularly providing her own number last year.
    This has huge implications for politics here as well as there. Obama has realised the campaign-finance reformers’ goal of ending the control exerted by a handful of rich donors.
    He has done this not by limiting money but by adding much, much more of it — democratizing the system by flooding it with so many new contributors that their combined effect dilutes the old guard to the point that it scarcely poses any threat.
    The crowning paradox is that Obama’s opponent in November, John McCain, made his name for independence and integrity as an advocate of campaign-finance reform.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      Didn’t take long to find out who his bundlers were either.

  • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

    I’m with you PDMM, I love Hillary to death, but I will be more than able to read the subliminal message she is sending us all, if she doesn’t get that nomination, as she tells us to back that asshole. The message will be: “Fuck Him! Vote McCain!”

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      Exactly Sugar. Remember, she will go with the party because it’s what she has to do.

      After all, after four years of McCain…..

      • so saddened

        followed by eight years of hillary….hooray!

  • http://www.myspace.com/rokski Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal” AKA “RokSki”

    First things first:

    Larry C. Johnson, you are a warrior and research fiend. The work you have been doing regarding Mish’s “WhiteyGate” has been phenomenal. Thank you so much.

    .
    .
    .

    Brand new post:

    “The Kentucky postmortem & Devastating Numbers out of North Carolina”
    VillarrealSports.com

    Yesterday was a crushing day to Obama and his hopes of both becoming the nominee or President. Coupled with the quarter-million votes loss in Kentucky was dramatic polling data from North Carolina that legitimately calls into question his entire candidacy. I’ve got the numbers and the link in the post.

    The North Carolina data, taken in context with what was supposed to be a ‘finishing blow’ to HRC’s campaign in the Tarheel State, is at least as relevant as Clinton’s overwhelming Kentucky win.

    Taken together, the Bluegrass State Blowout and the Tarheel State data shows a candidate in Barack Obama who is both unelectable in November and who is very seriously in danger of losing the Democratic nomination.

    .

    Paul F. Villarreal
    VillarrealSports.com

  • Mumphrey

    Let’s get this out of the way right at the outset:
    I wanted John Edwards to be the nominee, and I voted for him in Virginia, even though he’d dropped out by then.
    I’m somewhat more inclined toward Obama, but I’m less for him than I am against Clinton. I don’t really want either one, but I’d rather have Obama.
    Now, with that out of the way, I want to ask something in all sincerity:
    Do those of you who say it’s Clinton or McCain really believe McCain is better than Obama? I find that odd, to say the least. I mean, I didn’t want Obama, but I’ll vote for him in November. I don’t want Clinton, but if something unforeseen happens and she wins the nomination, I’ll vote for her, too.
    I don’t know what kind of reception this will get, but I am genuinely curious about that. I mean, it seems to me that Clinton and Obama are fairly alike in their voting and in their beliefs; far more than either is like McCain. Wouldn’t we all be better off under an Obama administration or a Clinton administration than we would be under McCain? I mean, there’s Iraq, where McCain says he’d be happy if we stayed there for years. There’s the Supreme Court, where we might see 2 liberal justices retire over the next 4 years. I think Obama’s picks to sit on the court would be better than McCain’s would be.
    I’m not a troll; I don’t want to sow discord; I’m only asking.

    • http://DeeLee deelee

      If you apprised yourself of Obama’s character, record, flip-flopping, and outright lies and exagerations, you wouldn’t be asking the question, If you bothered to listen to her platform, the detail of knowledge and experience, you wouldn’t be waivering and if you think that Obama can beat McCain you shouldn’t be voting.

      • Mumphrey

        Well, I don’t really know about any lies or flip-flopping–other than that he voted for a gas tax holiday in Illinois and is against it now–and that’s why I’m asking.
        Now, maybe I’m off the mark here, but it doesn’t look like either Obama or Clinton is all that much better than the other one. They’re both people; they’re both politicians; they’re both going to say what will serve them best sometimes and speak more forthrightly other times.
        They’re both going to do some good things in office and they’ll both make mistakes.
        Now, as I said, it could be that Clinton really is far, far better than Obama is, but I haven’t seen anything so far to show that that is true. If there is any such evidence, I’d like to see it, too.
        And I want to say this as gently and tactfully as I can: it seems a little one-sided here. Do you really believe that things are as black and white as many people seem to think here? Now they may well be thaat black and white; sometimes things are that black and white. But I see people who seem like they can’t see that Clinton has flaws, too, and that Obama isn’t the worst person ever to run for president.
        I’m just looking to learn, here, that’s all.

        • so saddened

          mumphrey, see my post below. we’re being very patient. but we don’t teach classes here.

          i’ve followed hillary’s career for decades. i’ve admired her knowledge, dignity under pressure, strength, and brilliance. i’ve followed obama for a shorter period, simply because there is less to follow. he is shallow, arrogant, uninformed, intellectually lazy, and dishonest, imho. he is the second coming of george bush. the reasons for this conclusion are all over the net and you are free to learn. check out savagepolitics.com, for a start.

    • so saddened

      mumphrey, it would take too long to detail for you the thousands of reasons i disagree. feel free to research for yourself.

      in response to your question of whether we really believe mccain is better than obama – yes we do!

      a thousand times yes.

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

      • Mumphrey

        Why do you think McCain would be better than Obama? It seems to me that with 2 likely openings coming up on the Supreme Court, Obama would be far better than McCain just for that reason alone.

        • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

          Supreme Court is not my problem. It will be the problem of younger women who don’t recognize a sexist misogynist when they see one. If they want to swoon over this man, then they will have the take the consequences along with the consolations. I fought for them and they take their rights for granted and hate me for it besides. Therefore, let them start over and see how they like it.

          • terri

            SMACK! What a great answer. Yes, I’m just sick to death of hearing Obambi say “the older generation just isn’t enlightened, they need to be tutored by the younger generation.”

            Just who the hell does that idiot think went down into the South to get beaten to a pulp and even killed to help Blacks get their civil rights? It was the white liberal baby boomers–one of the groups Obie says he doesn’t need. Well, I’ll be happy to walk away from him.

    • Nicole

      I don’t believe you. And I don’t buy your argument. And the fact that you say you’d vote Obama just to vote against Hillary means you are an idiot and a fool since her accomplishments and compassion have helped more Americans than twelve Obamas, and more than a few hundred bushels of you.

      SCRAM!

      • Mumphrey

        I never said I’d vote for Obama just to vote against Clinton. I even said below that the only time they were both on the ballot together that I had a chance to vote, I voted against both of them–for Edwards. I also said that I would vote for either Democrat in the fall, whether it’s Obama on the ballot or Clinton.
        I may well be an idiot and a fool, but I don’t think that’s the issue here…

        • terri

          It is the issue here because you’re saying that there’s something wrong with us because we reject a commie? facist? both? weak corrupt candidate who says he doesn’t need our vote. There are more important things than loyalty to a party or even selling out to corrupt person to get something that will make your life more comfortable. But I don’t expect the “youth” to understand anything like that–people who are supported by baby boomers and then call us stupid.

      • http://CA90064 Only Hillary Will Do

        What confuses me about Mumphrey is if he were really an Edwards supporter, then why wouldn’t he support the elibigle candidate who still speaks for the blue-collar, lunch-bucket crowd. That’s Hillary.

        After all, Edwards main strength was that he claimed to speak for those people. Why would a true Edward supporter EVER vote for an elitist like Obama?

        • Mumphrey

          I don’t even really understand what makes somebody an elitist. I don’t know that Obama is an elitist; I know a lot of people say he is, but I don’t know that he is.
          He did some community organizing in Chicago; his voting record since coming to Washington has been pretty much the same as Clinton’s has been. Sure he went to an Ivy League school. So did I, but I don’t know if that makes me an elitist. Hillary Clinton went to Wellesley, which is hardly a community college.
          My point is that I think that the “elitist” tag is a risky one, since in many ways, Clinton’s opponents could make the same charge about her. I’m not saying that it would be true, but only it’s a charge that ignorant people might believe about her.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      I’ve never voted for a single real human in my life where I liked the entire package. I’ve always had to consider my own priorities, based on what I felt was the most essential for the country and for people and for myself, too, as an individual.

      That’s exactly the same process now. We’ll all have to consider what’s our priority. If I continue to believe that the Democratic Party abused their powers by misinforming the public, for example, and racialized the primary, scapegoated good solid statespeople, and did so, frankly, for power….that may well triumph over the other issues.

      I don’t know yet. I DO know I have withdrawn from the Democratic Party. I DO know I have explained why when the DNC requested monoey. I DO know that the RNC has 40 million, the DNC has 4 million. That tells me that a lot of people are holding donations. Perhaps Obama’s big guys better start coughing up.

      Voting is a repsonsibility. I’m certainly not going to make my mind up out of sheer disappointment. I also believe that the party leaders are wrong if they think this is strictly emotions talking. That’s insulting and very sexist of them to say that, by the way, given that they are referring to women. That suggests that they think we are incapable of mature political thinking here.

      I can think and feel at the same time.

      So we’ll see. Anything could happen. But I can assure you that making nicey nice in superficial ways only reinforces my concern, and I don’t believe that’s OK to leave to the next generation.

      We need to do what’s right.

      I wouldn’t have cared if Obama won. I would be disappointed, but Hillary made some mistakes in a tight race. I could get over disappointment.

      What I have been appalled by is that nobody spoke up. They raced to the microphone to shout that calling Obama’s notion that he’s the great anti-war candidate because he gave one speech was RACIST! They participated in trashing Bill Clinton. Boy, you couldn’t get the microphone away then.

      But not once did they speak of for the women in this party against the gross sexism that was going on nightly. Not once did they even pretend to present information on voting roles of SDs correctly. No, they made it into a race war.

      Worse, they are still doing it.

      That’s the height of irresponsibility. I don’t mind seeing race discussed frankly. But they turned it into a weapon to rationalize their lies about the process. And they did so for power.

      That is corrupt.

      How can I support a corrupt party such as that?

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        calling it a fairy tale should have been in my post. Got a bit excited there. :)

    • terri

      Yes we really do believe McCain will be the better choice. Just look at the crazy-ass things the DNC is doing to get the boy on the ticket. It’s too suspicious. If he were truly qualified it would be different but he isn’t. Look at his behavior all through the campaign. He IS NOT presidential material. He has scary ties to dangerous people of every stripe. No one know what he would do as president because he doesn’t talk about plans and policies.

      When you see a party corrupting their own primaries and cutting loose half of their voters to get an unqualified man on the ticket you know, something is rotten in the DNC. I won’t vote to put another puppet in the WH. The left can be just as stupid and undemocratic as the right. We’ve seen that in this primary season.

    • terri

      Also Obama’s pick for the Supreme Court was John Roberts. he admired Roberts. His political advisor had to talk him out of voting for Roberts, telling him it would hurt him in the election. Do you call that a liberal? A Democrat? I call that a neoCon.

      • Mumphrey

        Well, as bad as Roberts is, I don’t think we could have gotten anything better. Bush is the one who sends them up to the Capitol; I don’t know what I would have done if I’d had to vote on the confirmation. I might have voted yes as well, knowing that if Roberts went down, Bush would send somebody even worse up after him.
        The point I was making is that if McCain is president, we’re going to get a whole lot of Robertses sent up. If Obama is the president, we’ll get moderate liberals, who are about the best we can hope for right now with a narrow majority in the Senate. If we pick up enough seats this fall to reach 60, we’ll get more liberals picks.

  • http://DeeLee deelee

    I will support and donate to Hillary’s campaign right to the end and, If she is the nominee I (along with millions of others) will be very happy. BUT, if she loses, I will make it very clear to her that although she will be a gracious in defeat and wants the party to unite, I cannot in good concience, vote for or support Obama. I think that anybody else who feels the same way should let her know their feelings. If there is enough of a groundswell on this, it might give her more ammunition at the convention. We all say we won’t support him, we have to have a unified resolve. Talk is cheap. that much at least I’ve learned from Obama.

  • Myshiba

    HILLARY OR MCCAIN . . .NO OTHER OPTION! NOBO IN ’08!

  • http://www.sugarnspice.typepad.com Sugar

    Listen, “Mumphrey”, you are in the absolute wrong place if you think you can “talk us into” supporting Obama. First of all, if you would only read a small portion of the posts here at this blog alone, you’d know that not only is Obama worse than McCain. He is one of the worst “politicians” many of us have seen in a long time. Clinton or McCain. Nobody else.

    • Mumphrey

      I’m not trying to change anybody’s vote.
      I’m only asking questions.
      I’m not sold on Obama myself; I wanted Edwards. I’d rather have Obama now that Edwards isn’t in the race any more, but I haven’t been too awfully impressed with him so far. I’m just less impressed with Clinton.
      What has taken me a little aback is the anger toward Obama. Look, I understand how bad it can feel when your candidate loses. I went through that myself, this year and in 2004 when Edwards lost to Kerry.
      And after Edwards dropped out, I was kind of bitter toward Obama, as I felt like maybe Edwards might have been where Obama was, if Obama had never been in the race. But my anger and resentment faded after a while, and I looked at the 2 left, and settled, however unenthusiastically, on Obama.
      I’m only wondering what it is about Obama that gets people here so upset, since I don’t feel that way, and I try to keep up with the news.
      In other words, I’m looking to learn from you what makes you tick. I’m not criticizing you or looking to convert you to Obama’s camp–or even Edwards’s for that maatter.
      I’m genuinely curious about the depth of feeling here against Obama and what drives it, since I can’t really tell.

      • so saddened

        mumphrey, i’m trying very hard to be polite, because i’m not sure if you’re sincere or a troll. assuming arguendo that you are sincere, i can only suggest that you do your research. there is so much information out there. a good place to start would be the archived articles here and on savagepolitics.com. then you could research ayers/dohrn, auchi/rezko, khalidi, hamas, odinga, et al. then you research the present votes, wrong button votes, dirty tricks on alice palmer, dirty tricks to eliminate all opponents in illinois, etc. then you could research actual voting records as opposed to claimed voting records. then you could research maytag, exelon, hanford ignorance, etc.

        there is so much to know and we are busy people. we’ve done our homework and wish you all the best if you do yours.

        • Mumphrey

          O.K., so I looked up about William Ayers. I see he was a radical leftist terrorist inn the 1960s and 70s. Looks like he was a pretty mean dude back then. But–and I’m not excusing his deeds or defending his beliefs–people can change. It looks like he’s trying to do some good now, though how much he’s doing I can’t say. And he and Obama knew or know each other. And that in itself doesn’t make Obama look great, but a lot of us know people who have done bad things, and I don’t think any of us are all good or all bad; I know I’m not. Maybe Obama knows the Ayers of today, who may not be the nutso radical bomber of 35 years ago. I’m only saying there might be anotheer side to this. I’m interested in talking about things like this. You know, I learn things from back and forths betwenn me and people I might not always agree with. Maybe I flatter myself, but I like to think at least that whoever’s debating me might learn something, too.And I saw while looking up about Ayers that Bill Clinton pardoned 2 weather underground members while he was in office. I’m not trying to play “gotcha” here, but I can’t help but wonder if that boosts my claim that there might be 2 sides here.
          I also looked at the “wrong button” issue, but it’s hard for me to see that there isn’t a reasonable and innocent explanation for that. I can only guess that if I cast thousands of votes, often with only a few seconds to do it in, I might slip up a few times, too. Maybe they were all willful, but that’s still something like 6 votes out of thousands cast.
          I also looked into the “present” vote thing, but it seems that Planned Parenthood asked him to vote present on it, and it was procedurally as good as a “no”.
          I don’t know. I’m really not trying to pick fights, and I’m trying to be open-minded, but I just don’t see anything that reeks of corruption. One could argue that all politicians skirt on the edge of ethics sometimes and that all politicians will know some shady people from time to time. Certainly John McCain has his share of shady connections. I mean, I know about Jeremiah Wright, but I have to say, if I had to choose between worshipping at his church and at John Hagee’s chursch, it wouldn’t be hard to choose Wright’s.
          If he’s really as bad as people here seem to think, I’d just as soon know now, but I’m not seeing anything that bowls me over.
          As I say, I don’t mean to pick a fight; you could be right and I could be wrong. It wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong, either…

          • so saddened

            all right mumphrey. i gave you a fair opportunity to prove you’re not a troll.

            you failed.

            i suggested some lines of research and you came back in a short period, way too short to have actually done any real research, claiming you’d done so.

            your claim is clearly false, as you only state the obama talking points on the subjects you discuss, which talking points are a combination of lies and distortions.

            as you have proven you are not seriously interested in truth, i have no more use for you.

            i gave you the benefit of the doubt. i was wrong. i was bamboozled and hoodwinked and okey doked. i admit it. i must now go to hillaryclinton.com and make another contribution, as penance for wasting valuable time on an obamatroll.

            bye troll. i won’t bother with you again.

            • Mumphrey

              Well, where should I have gone? I went to the L.A. Times for the wrong button thing; it came up when I did a search; I went to wikipedia for the Ayers thing. Where else should I have gone?
              Just because someone asks you why you think Obama’s so awful it does not mean that person is a troll. I am in the minority here it seems, but I wouldn’t have thought that that would make me a troll in itself.
              I think people who might disagree should be able to do so amicably. I have tried to be respectful, and I think I have been. If I offended you, I never meant to and I’m sorry I did. There is of course no need for you to answer me if you don’t want to; I did want to say that I hope I haven’t upset you unduly.

              • Karma

                Mumphrey,

                Did you know that same people Obama places his bonafides as a community organizer, was where he helped Rezko steal from those same people?

                Did you know that Obama has only won elections by subverting democracy? He sued other more experience Dems off of the rolls including his mentor Alice Palmer, subverting democracy by stealing choice from those voters.

                Did you know he also used the courts to open private divorce cases to smear the parents at the expense of children? Did you know that those cases are never opened for public view with children involved?

                Did you know that Obama was launched in Ayers’ living room?

                Did you know that Ayers has financial ties to Exelon?

                Did you know that Obama helped Exelon with legislation that states they do not have to report nuclear leaks to the public?

                Did you know that the nuclear power industry is heavily subsidized by the same govt that Ayers claims he wants to destroy? At the same time his job is heavily govt subsidized as well?

                Do you know that the Weather Underground helped to discredit the anti-war movement, to the benefit of their rich parents? And that their tactics helped to get Nixon in to the White House and give Cheney and Rummy the political power they inflicted on us in this war?

                So why would I trust the show pony they launched in their living room? The same show pony who sells out the little guy for the money man every single time?

                Why would I believe that someone’s show pony who has shown himself to be a political coward by casting ‘not voting’ votes on big business items so he can claim false political ground with it.

                And why should I believe that a spineless show pony has enough political juice to do any of his campaign promises, when it is clear he doesn’t control his own destiny. Geez…the man can’t even buy his own children a house without the help of the money man Rezko.

                The Clintons do have the political juice to complete their campaign promises, and previous elections that prove they also try and complete those campaign promises. Unlike Obama.

                Those are off the top of my head…but research them for yourself and see if you think that Obama is everything he claims. I would be interested in your opinion of Obama afterwards.

          • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

            But–and I’m not excusing his deeds or defending his beliefs–people can change.

            Now tell us the same about Bush. :)

            Oh, that’s right special rules (like the DNC delegate racket) apply then, huh?

            • Mumphrey

              I didn’t say all people change; I said people can change. I don’t know Ayers, but what he did was a long time ago, when he was young, and he seems to be trying, at least, to do some good now.
              Maybe he doesn’t deserve forgiveness; I don’t think it’s up to me to say whether he does or not.
              I went to a friend’s wedding this weekend. I met his father for the first time. He told me about how one of his daughters had met a guy 5 or 10 years ago who should have been any father’s worst dream. He’d been in jail for a long time–he didn’t say what for–and had been released not long before he met his daughter. He went on to say, though, that the guy was a wonderful person who’d made some mistakes and done some bad things early in his life, but had changed, and was now one of his (my friend’s father’s) favorite people.
              Of course I don’t really know the first thing about Ayers; my only point was that people can change. We all do dumb things when we’re young. I got sent home from college twice for abysmal grades; took me 6 years to go through college. But I learned something from it, and I hope I’m a better person for it.

          • http://deleted AnninCa

            When I see comparisons to Bill’s pardons to the relationship with Ayers, then I’m quite sure you’re reading off the Obamaspin script.

            What’s interesting to me is that so many of his supporters never put their own spin on any of his talking points.

            Just repeat it like a parrot.

      • Myshiba

        I’d be curious to know what makes you tick, too since you can’t seem to make up your mind about an obviously spineless incompent name Barack Obama. It’s very easy . . . . just relax and let your brain cells take over from your emotions.

      • Margaret

        He’s a sexist prick, as well as an anti-American, weak, incompetent poser. And a racist. He is supportive of domestic terrorists, and has a pastor who is a raging sexist racist looney-tune. He has ties to international terrorists, ooh, that gives mea nice, warm, safe, fuzzy feeling. He steals his ideas from Hillary, steals elections, and thinks the average American is stupid. Oh, and he’s a pathological liar who is practicing sexist pyschological warfare to try to “win” this election.
        What’s not to love?
        Any other questions?

        • Mumphrey

          Look, I don’t want to get in a fight.
          I don’t know what elections he stole. If he did, I’d like to know that now.
          I know about Wright, but I also know that preachers say nutty things at times. I’ve heard some wacky sermons at churches I’ve belonged to. And I can understand how a black man who volunteered to fight for his country and then came home to a country that treated him like a 2nd class citizen would hold some bitterness over that. I don’t know how close he is to Ayers, but Bill Clinton pardoned some weather underground people when he was in office. I don’t know about the international terrorists; who are they?
          About the pathological liar and thinking Americans are stupid, do you have a ny specifics? And I don’t really understand what the psychological warfare is. Those are pretty strong words, and if you want to use them, I think it’s fair for me to ask you for specifics.
          Again, I don’t want to fight, but I’d like to talk congenially about this, since it is a big election, and it will affect this country for many years.

          • http://CA90064 Only Hillary Will Do

            Okay, Mumphrey.

            Tell us why you were an Edwards supporter. Let’s start there.

            Come on. Tell us.

            • Mumphrey

              It was mostly because of poverrty and income inequality. The “Wealth versus Work” and the “Two Americas” thing really got me fired up. I’m pretty lucky: had enough money growing up–we weren’t rich, but my grandparents were–went to a good school for 1 fourth the tuition since my father was on the faculty, never lacked for anything…
              But a lot of Americans aren’t like me; most aren’t Edwards was ready to do something about that. Now you might not think he’s sincere; a lot of people don’t but I did and I still do.
              I hope he does for poverty out of politics what Gore did for the environment.

              • http://CA90064 Only Hillary Will Do

                Okay.

                Now who, of Hillary and Obama, has been found to be most in line with the politic of Edwards?

                It’s Hillary. That’s why the (and I hate to even classify this) the lesser educated, blue-collar middle class is coming out in droves for Hillary. These were Edwards’s base constituency.

                So I’d have to believe that if you really supported Edwards for the reason you stated, then to fall in line behind Obama would not be the wisest choice.

                Does that make any sense to you?

                • Mumphrey

                  Maybe; but Edwards himself has come out for Obama, and I haven’t been too thrilled by the way Clinton has run her campaign…
                  As I said, I’m not overwhelmed by Obama…
                  I have to say, this is the kind of back and forth I was hoping for; thank you.

                  • http://CA90064 Only Hillary Will Do

                    And why in the world would Edwards come out for (no gay implication intended, seriously) for Obama? Honestly. Even I can’t imagine why the man who claimed over and over to be for the blue-collar middle class would want to throw his weight behind a man who said, in no uncertain terms, mind you, “they cling to their guns and religion…” You know the rest.

                    How could Edwards possibly believe in a man who belittles the very people Edwards vowed to fight for. I think this has more to do with political pressure than any true belief on Edwards’ part that Obama is the best candidate. Don’t you?

                    And you really should hear the entirety of what Obama said at that now famous SF fundraiser. He ended his “bitter, gun-clinging” statement by saying, [if they think that's bad] “they should try slavery”

                    Does that sound like someone who is really going to fight for you. Or for me?

                    • http://CA90064 Only Hillary Will Do

                      AND – what about the way Obama has run his campaign? It’s thug city, man. And I don’t mean that in a racist way, but in a brutish, imposing, threatening, oppressive way. They are thugs.

                      You have to admit that Obama has usurped complete control of the mainstream media.

                      To play the race card every time he loses a state is fine? No, I fully believe that is has been the Obama campaign that has shoved the issue of race down our throats again and again.

                      Seriously, before this year, would have accused the Clintons of being racists? No one could have done that without being laughed out of the building…

          • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

            I know about Wright, but I also know that preachers say nutty things at times.

            So that also means…

            I know about Hagee, but I also know that preachers say nutty things at times.

            Right?

            The excuses are like fly balls. Hit one, and chances are they’re caught, and even can strike out a few baserunners, too. :)

            • Mumphrey

              Well, sure, but I think that Hagee has said worse things than Wright has. That’s only my opinion, but I think Hagee’s said worse. And McCain hasn’t said boo about Hagee; Obama has rejected or denounced or whatever he’s supposed to do about Wright’s over the top rantings.

              • Ulahane

                First Hagee and Wright are both pond scum. But let’s call it a tie. Nothing can top Wright’s calling American troops the same as Al Quaida but under different flags oaccusing the U.S. government of creating AIDS to kill Black people.

                Although McCain accepted Hagee’s endoursement, he has repeatedly called Hagee’s views nonsense. He never attended Hagee’s church nor did he give Hagee’s church money.

                Obama wrote that Wright led him to Christianity and inspired his second book with a sermon that included “White folks greed runs a world in need” Obama sat in Wright’s church for roughly twenty years. He donated thousands to Wright’s church, and helped the Woods foundation donate additional money. And though he did distance himself from Wright, he has not distanced himself from TUCC’s new pastor, who is just as offensive as Wright.

                There is no comparison between accepting an endorsement from a nutcase as a means of appeasing your party’s base and Being a long time friend of a nutcase.

            • Mumphrey

              And not to nitpick, but you can’t strike out baserunners. I know what you meant, but I couldn’t resist.

              • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

                Wrong again!

                From Wikipedia on “Strikeout”

                A pitcher receives credit for (and a batter is charged with) a strikeout on any third strike, but a batter is out only if any of the following is true:

                1. the third strike is pitched and caught in flight by the catcher (including foul tips);
                2. on any third strike, if a baserunner is on first and there are fewer than two outs;
                3. the third strike is bunted foul and is not caught by a fielder

                • Mumphrey

                  I don’t think it says anything about the runner being out. It says the hitter is charged with the strikeout.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        We have answered that question in many ways on this board. Read it.

      • terri

        This guy is a troll being paid by Obama. How it works is every time they engage a Hillary supporter and argue with that person they get money. IGNORE, IGNORE.

        It’s possible to refute these trolls without addressing them. Just a suggestion.

  • Ugo

    America belongs to the Americans no body can change that, they “We the people….,” the Americans will correct the wrong for the DNC if the DNC cannot.

  • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President & Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton **==

    Count Every Vote
    by Lindsay Levin
    5/21/2008 4:04:27 PM

    Every vote cast during this primary season should be counted, and Hillary is working hard to make sure that the voices of voters in Florida and Michigan are heard. Today, Hillary is campaigning throughout Florida, with stops in Boca Raton, Sunrise, and Coral Gables. An energetic crowd greeted Hillary in Boca Raton, where Hillary explained why it is critical that as a party, and as a nation, we must count every vote.

    Here in Florida, more than 1.7 million people cast their vote, the highest primary turnout in the history of Florida. And nearly 600,000 voters in Michigan did the same. And not a day goes by that I don’t meet someone who grabs my hand or holds up a sign, no matter where I am, in Kentucky or anywhere else, and says, “Please, make my vote count.”

    …

    I believe the Democratic Party must count these votes. They should count them exactly as they were cast. Democracy demands no less.

    I am here today because I believe that the decision our party faces is not just about the fate of these votes and the outcome of these primaries. It is about whether we will uphold our most fundamental values as Democrats and Americans. It is about whether we will move forward, united, to win this state and take back the White House this November. That has to be the prize that we keep in mind.

    Get involved — click here to send a message to the DNC telling them to count the votes in Florida and Michigan.

    Read Hillary’s full remarks from Boca Raton here:

    May 21, 2008
    Hillary’s Remarks on Counting Every Vote at a “Solutions for America” event in Boca Raton, FL

    It’s exciting to be with some wonderful supporters and friends. I thank your senator and my friend, Ted Deutch, he’s a real leader. He and I have talked about the issues that matter to you over many years, and I’m so grateful to have his support. Commissioner Burt Aaronson, who has also led the way in so many important things here in Palm Beach County. I want to thank Jean Enright, one of your port commissioners. I want to thank Anne Gannon, the tax collector who is here, Representative Kelly Skidmore. And I am especially pleased to be accompanied today by a longtime friend of mine, Congresswoman Corrine Brown, who is a real fighter and a champion. She has a tremendously important position in the House of Representatives, where she does work on behalf of veterans and the needs, not only of her constituents in the Jacksonville area, but indeed all of Florida and America.

    Now, this year’s presidential election is like none other in history. And we have had more people engaging and volunteering, casting their ballots, than ever before. Everywhere I go, people tell me, “I’ve never given money to a campaign in my life; this year is different. I’ve never followed an election before; this time I can’t stop watching.” And there’s a reason for that. With our economy in crisis, and with two wars and our children’s future in the balance, more people than ever before are taking politics seriously.

    I happen to welcome that because this is a democracy, and we’ve all got to participate. In fact, we want more democracy, not less democracy. We want more people taking a part in the selection of their president.

    Here in Florida, more than 1.7 million people cast their vote, the highest primary turnout in the history of Florida. And nearly 600,000 voters in Michigan did the same. And not a day goes by that I don’t meet someone who grabs my hand or holds up a sign, no matter where I am, in Kentucky or anywhere else, and says, “Please, make my vote count.”

    I receive dozens and dozens of letters and emails and phone calls, every couple of hours it seems like, all making the same urgent request: please count my vote. We used to be worried about voter apathy, didn’t we? We worried why Americans didn’t participate. Now, people are worried that their participation won’t matter.

    I believe the Democratic Party must count these votes. They should count them exactly as they were cast. Democracy demands no less.

    I am here today because I believe that the decision our party faces is not just about the fate of these votes and the outcome of these primaries. It is about whether we will uphold our most fundamental values as Democrats and Americans. It is about whether we will move forward, united, to win this state and take back the White House this November. That has to be the prize that we keep in mind.

    Because here in America, unlike in many other nations, we are bound together, not by a single shared religion or cultural heritage, but by a shared set of ideas and ideals, a shared civic faith, that we are entitled to speak and worship freely, that we deserve equal justice under the law, that we have certain core rights that no government can abridge and these rights are rooted in and sustained by the principle that our founders set forth in the Declaration of Independence. That a just government derives its power from the consent of the governed, that each of us should have an equal voice in determining the destiny of our nation. A generation of patriots risked and sacrificed lives on the battlefield for that ideal.

    The union they ultimately formed was far from perfect. It excluded many of our citizens; people like Congresswoman Brown, me, my daughter. But it was an ideal that set forth a goal that we have consistently worked for.

    Fortunately, in each successive generation, this nation was blessed by men and women who refused to accept their assigned place as second-class citizens. Men and women who saw America not as it was, but as it could and should be, and committed themselves to extending the frontiers of our democracy. The abolitionists and all who fought to end slavery and ensure freedom came with the full right of citizenship. The tenacious women and a few brave men who gathered at the Seneca Falls convention back in 1848 to demand the right to vote.

    It took more than 70 years of struggle, setbacks, and grinding hard work and only one of those original suffragists lived to see women cast their ballots. There are women here today – as with my own mother – who were born before the Constitution granted us the right to vote. This is not something lost in the mists of memory and history; this is real. The generations here in this room have seen change. The men and women who knew their Constitutional right to vote meant little when poll taxes and literacy tests, violence, and intimidation made it impossible to exercise their right, so they marched and protested, faced dogs and tear gas, knelt down on that bridge in Selma to pray and were beaten within an inch of their lives.

    Some gave their lives to the struggle for a more perfect union. There is a reason why so many have fought so hard and sacrificed so much. It is because they knew that to be a citizen of this country is to have the right and responsibility to help shape its future, not just to make your voice heard, but to have it count. People have fought hard because they knew their vote was at stake and so was their children’s future. Because of those who have come before, Senator Obama and I and so many of you have this precious right today. Because of all that has been done, we are in this historic presidential election. I believe that both Senator Obama and myself have an obligation as potential Democratic nominees – in fact, we all have an obligation as Democrats – to carry on this legacy and ensure that in our nominating process every voice is heard and every single vote is counted.

    This work to extend the franchise to all of our citizens is a core mission of the modern Democratic Party, from signing the voting rights act and fighting racial discrimination at the ballot box, to lowering the voting age so those old enough to fight and die in war would have the right to choose their Commander-in-Chief, to fighting for multi-lingual ballots so you can make your voice heard no matter what language you speak. I am proud of our work today. We are fighting the redistricting initiatives that would dilute African American and Latino votes. We are fighting efforts to purge voters from the rolls here in Florida and elsewhere. We are fighting voter identification laws that could wrongly keep tens of thousands of voters from casting their ballots this November.

    We carry on this cause for a simple reason, because we believe the outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people – nothing more, nothing less.

    We believe the popular vote is the truest expression of your will. We believe it today, just as we believed it back in 2000 when right here in Florida, you learned the hard way what happens when your votes aren’t counted and the candidate with fewer votes is declared the winner. The lesson of 2000 here in Florida is crystal clear. If any votes aren’t counted, the will of the people is not realized and our democracy is diminished. That is what I have always believed.

    My first job in politics was on the 1972 presidential campaign registering African-American and Hispanic voters in Texas. That work took me from home to home in neighborhood after neighborhood. I was determined to knock on every door and sign up every voter I could find. While we may not have won that election, I have never given up the fight. It is a fight I continue to this day.

    Because I think it is appalling that in the 21st century, voters are still being wrongly turned away from the polls, ballots are still mysteriously lost in state after state, African-American and Hispanic voters still wait in line for hours while voters in the same state, even in the same county can wait just minutes to cast their votes. That’s why I’ve been working since 2004 with my dear friend Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones to pass the Count Every Vote Act; comprehensive voting rights legislation designed to end these deplorable violations. It will ensure that every eligible voter can vote, every vote is counted, and every vote can verify his or her vote before it is finally cast.

    I will continue to fight for that same principle every day in this campaign. The fact is, the people of Florida voted back in January. You did your part. You showed up in record numbers and you made informed choices. But today, some months later, you still do not know if these votes will help determine our party’s nominee. You still don’t know if this great state will be represented at our convention in August. It is time you knew, because the more than 2.3 million people who voted in Florida and Michigan exercised their fundamental American right in good faith. You watched the news. You went to the candidates’ web sites, you talked to your friends and neighbors, you learned about our records and policies so you could make informed voting decisions. You didn’t break a single rule, and you should not be punished for matters beyond your control.

    Now, I know that Senator Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan, and that was his right. But his choice does not negate the votes of all those who turned out to cast their ballots, and we should not let our process rob them and all of you of your voices. To do so would undermine the very purpose of the nominating process. To ensure that as many Democrats as possible can cast their votes. To ensure that the party selects a nominee who truly represents the will of the voters and to ensure that the Democrats take back the White House to rebuild America.

    Now, I’ve heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules. I say that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country – that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their votes should be counted. I remember very well back in 2000, there were those who argued that people’s votes should be discounted over technicalities. For the people of Florida who voted in this primary, the notion of discounting their votes sounds way too much of the same.

    The votes of 1.7 million people should not be cast aside because of a technicality. The people who voted did nothing wrong, and it would be wrong to punish you. As the Florida Supreme Court said back in 2000, before the United States Supreme Court took the case away from them, as your Supreme Court said, it’s not about the technicalities or about the contestants. It’s about the will of the people. And whenever you can understand their intent, it should govern. It’s very clear what 1.7 million people intended here in Florida. Playing a role in the nominating process in a two-party system is just as important as having a vote in the presidential election on Election Day count.

    We know it was wrong to penalize voters for the decisions of state officials back in the 2000 presidential election. It would be wrong to do so for decisions made in our nominating process. Democrats argued passionately. We are still arguing, aren’t we, for counting all the votes back in 2000, and we should be just as passionately arguing for that principle today, here in Florida and in Michigan. It is well within the Democratic Party rules to take this stand. The rules clearly state that we can count all of these votes and seat all of these delegates, pledged and unpledged, if we so choose. And the rules lay out a clear process for doing so.

    With this process, if hope we will honor the will of those who came out to cast votes. Think of how that day was. Workers who rushed to the polls between shifts; students who came between classes, parents who rearranged their family’s schedules, senior citizens who arranged transportation to the polls, all so you could have your votes counted. And whether you voted for better schools for your kids or a secure retirement for your parents, for jobs you can raise a family on, for health care you can afford, to bring your son, your grandson, your daughter or your granddaughter back from Iraq or bring back America’s reputation in the world. Whether you voted for me or Senator Obama or Senator Edwards or someone else, each vote you cast is a prayer for our nation, a declaration of your dreams for your children and grandchildren; a reflection of your determination to ensure that our country lives up to its promise. Each vote is a tool, one used throughout history to break barriers, open doors, and widen the circle of opportunity.

    I remember when President Lyndon Johnson addressed the Congress and the nation urging the passage of the Voting Rights Act. He declared, “I speak tonight for the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy.” It was urgent, elevated language, but it was not hyperbole. Now, as back then, those are the stakes. That’s why here in Florida, even when you were told your primary might not count, you voted anyway.

    A Floridian I know from Tallahassee told me about his mother’s canasta club. It’s a group of women in their golden years who gather every week to play cards and visit. They talked about that Florida primary every week as they gathered around the card table. They followed the news closely. They discussed the candidates and their positions on the issues. They knew about the dispute over the primary schedule and the question of seating delegates. And when it came time to vote, like so many other good citizens of this state, the ladies of the canasta club dutifully cast their ballots for the candidates of their choice. They made informed choices. They did nothing wrong, and they should not be punished for doing their civic duty.

    You knew then what Americans know, that this political process of ours is about more than the candidates running, the pundits commenting or the ads blaring. It’s about the path we choose as a nation. If anyone ever doubted whether it mattered who our president was, the last seven years with George Bush should have removed every single doubt from anyone’s mind.

    That’s why you voted, and that’s why I’m running. And that’s why you’ve been organizing and raising your voices, hoping to have your votes count. You refused to stay home then, and you refuse to stay silent now. Because you want to change America’s future and you have faith that your party, the Democratic Party, will give you that chance. I’m here today because I believe we should keep that faith, listen to your voices and count every single one of your votes. If we fail to do so, I worry that we will pay not only a moral cost, but a political cost as well.

    We know the road to a Democratic White House runs right through Florida and Michigan. And if we care about winning those states in November, we need to count your votes now. If Democrats send the message that we don’t fully value your votes, we know Senator McCain and the Republicans will be more than happy to have them. The Republicans will make a simple and compelling argument. Why should Florida and Michigan voters trust the Democratic Party to look out for you when they won’t even listen to you?

    Now, if you agree with me, I urge you to go to my website, HillaryClinton.com, and join the more than 300,000 who have already signed our petition asking the Democratic National Committee to count your votes. All 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and the territories will have a chance to play a role in this historic process. Now is not the time for our party to have a dialogue about which states and which votes should count. The people of Florida are all too familiar with where that discussion can lead. In the end, we cannot move forward as a united party if some members of our party are left out. Senator Obama and I are running to be president of all Americans and all 50 states. And I want to be sure that all 50 states are counted and your delegates are seated at our convention.

    So will you join me in making sure your voices are raised and heard so that your votes can be counted? Because remember, it’s been the mission of the Democratic Party, guided always by the understanding that as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt once said, “the ultimate rulers of our democracy are not the president, the senators, the members of Congress and government officials, but the voters of this country.” In this Democratic Party, the voters rule. So let’s make sure your voices are heard and your votes are counted.

    Thank you, and God bless you, and God bless America.

  • DancingOpossum

    I’m sick of having to explain what happened in MI and FL over and over AND OVER again for these ‘bots. Over on BTD, Armando told them if they kept it up (telling lies about MI/FL) he would ban them. And he is an Obama supporter! Because the Obama talking points have been so thoroughly demolished and disproven that to repeat them is either willful ignorance or a lie. So don’t even bother responding to these trolls. They are as ignorant on this subject as they are on every other.

    Hill or McCain! The only options!! The poeple doing write-in or threatening to stay home or vote third-party need to get this!

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      They just show an ANGRY demonstration in Florida demanding they be counted before June1. The Obama camp says they have no problem with it so long as ……are you ready?………so long as it “Doesn’t change the outcome”!!! I will be covering this diddy soon as I get the video.

      • so saddened

        obambi just loves being nice to people as long as it doesn’t hurt him. he’ll even let the little people vote and everything, as long as it doesn’t hurt him. he’ll even count their votes, as long as it doesn’t hurt him. isn’t obambi nice?

        some time back, dean basically said the same thing – that they would “seat” the florida and michigan delegates “after” the nominee is selected. in other words, we’ll count them, but only after we’ve given obambi the nomination and made sure that counting them won’t matter. then we’ll seat them and hope that they think we let their votes count. after, all they’re just voters, they won’t know any better.

        i see people posting that they won’t contribute to the dnc until florida’s and michigan’s votes are counted. i hope they don’t contribute unless florida’s and michigan’s votes are counted fully and immediately, not in some bullshit way when it’s too late.

        won’t matter to me – i’ll never give the dnc a dime. they have proven they can’t be trusted. i’ll only donate to the candidates of my choice.

        and if the dnc is pushing a particular nominee, that’s probably a strong sign that someone else will get my money. this year, it’s hillary. in 2012, if she runs, it’ll be hillary. one person it will never be is obambi.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        That’s the smartest thing he’s said in a week. :)

      • terri

        OMG! I suppose the DNC has some reason why that’s okay?

  • SJ

    HILLARY OR MCCAIN . . .NO OTHER OPTION! NOBO IN ‘08!

    I agree 100%

  • K. Wynne

    Mumphrey,

    Have you been living under a rock or something? From day one the media has pampered and propped obama up as if he were their very own child running for president! Don’t you see anything wrong with that?

    This isn’t anger over our candidate losing. For one, she hasn’t lost yet. Two, Obama is clearly the weaker candidate, yet, the DNC for some insane reason has already decided that he should be the party’s nominee. Why is the DNC manipulating this primary and for what purpose? Is this some kind of major coup and McCain and the republicans are in on it, guaranteeing Obama will win, no matter how many people vote against him?

    The fury you see here is due to our being under the impression that we still lived in America, not some fascist state, and that it was we, the people, who chose the nominee, not the DNC nor the media, nor the politicans, nor the pundits. Period, no discussion.

    If they succeed in anointing him out of pride over plan gone totally awry or whatever, he will lose big timein the GE or we will be witnessing a coup to overtake the U.S. government by forces that wish to destroy democracy and replace it with corporacracy –better known as fascism.

    Hillary has clearly proven to be the stronger candidate with the broader and wider base necessary to beat the republicans.

    We’re furious because we want to win the White House and Hillary is the candidate who can make that happen. Obama can’t, no matter how many times you close your eyes and click your heels, it just isn’t going to happen.

    • Mumphrey

      Well I say this as respectfully as I can:
      If Obama is a bad candidate, and he gets the nomination anyway, wouldn’t it be best to try to help him win in spite of that?
      In 2004, I wsa for Edwards, and I had a bad feeling when Kerry took the nomination. But I still voted for him and I still sent him money and even did some volunteer work to help.
      I can’t help but feel kind of funny when people say that Obama will lose if he gets the nomination, but then say they won’t do anything to help him win. I mean even if he loses, wouldn’t you rather that we had done all that we could to help him?

      • Margaret

        Yes, let’s help an incompetent, inept person get their finger on the button. NOT! He can’t even press the right voting button. I’ll be proud to say, when Obama loses (if he is the nominee) that I helped ensure his loss.

        Hillary or McCain 08!!

        • Mumphrey

          But do you think McCain would be any better? I mean, he talks about starting a war with Iran. Whatever Obama’s faults might be, and I’m not saying he doesn’t have any, he’s unlikely to go to war with Iran.

          • Strawberrybitch

            His underling suggested that they keep 60,000 troops in Iraq. That is dumb on so many levels. But yet, in his speeches he says he’ll start bringing troops home within the first few months. You support Barky, which is it? He lies so much I can’t tell.

          • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

            Please read the diaries on this board so that we don’t have to stop and answer all of your individual questions all over again. There, you will see why we will never support Barack Obama. If you can’t take the time to read the diaries on this board then please do not ask us to take the time to write them all over again for you.

        • Cajun

          I don’t want him in charge of the “football.” Goodness he might unleash it on one of the seven states we don’t know about.

      • http://CA90064 Only Hillary Will Do

        Come on, Mumphrey.

        Why were you an Edwards supporter? Just your ONE MAIN REASON FOR SUPPORTING THE MAN?!!?

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        It’s your vote and your concience.

  • bart

    I hate to give the National Review any props, but this article is at least interesting – maybe prophetic.

    Hillary: The Al Gore of 2008
    Winner of the popular vote, loser of the election.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjQ4NjU0OGYyMmZkYWNlMTgyYzQxZmRjOGJiNDg2ZDc

    • It’s Not Me

      Except her popular vote is during the Primary and not the GE, like his popular vote was. However, she WILL HAVE enough electoral votes to win the GE, unlike Gore. I know Gore really did win (FL), but for this argument, I’ll leave it as it stood.

  • troll free zone

    So just a little point about Mr. Dean.
    Why do you think he is so willing to destroy the Democratic party? I don’t think it’s about money, or lofty ideology (however bizarre or misguided).
    I think he hates the democratic party. I mean look at the ego on this guy. It is enormous. Anyone with half a clue, with any modicum of common sense would have seen the storm on the horizon if Florida and Michigan were disenfranchised in any way. Is he the stupidest person on the planet? (well, that’s arguable.) Dean got punted from the nominating contest by dems who did not warm to his youthful
    (read, really creepy) brand of enthusiam (scream).
    Now to get to see the party that kicked him to the curb go down in flames itself? You think he’s not going to enjoy that. He’s our own little Nero, he is.
    Of course, we’re not gonna let him play emporer with our party. Not everyone is as muddle-brained as he is. Hillary will win, and in so doing, separate the wheat from the chaff.

  • SJ

    Why Obama will never get my vote !!!!

    http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

  • Kathryn

    The trolls must have missed the part of Hillary’s speech last night when she said we need her at the TOP OF THE TICKET.

    She does want us all to fall in line and vote for Barack if the Presidential nomination is wrongfully given to Barack but there is NO WAY I can comply with her wishes. TOO OFTEN this is what happens! A woman who is MORE QUALIFIED and the BEST CHOICE FOR THE JOB is denied her rightful place and a MAN who is LESS QUALIFIED for the job gets the job. FORGET THAT. FORGET THINKING YOU CAN PUSH HER DOQWN TO THE VP SPOT.
    She EARNED the Presidency and there is NO WAY she should step aside for an inexperienced junior Senator who has POOR JUDGEMENT and FLAWED CHARACTER to associate with people like Wright, Ayers, Rezco, Dohrn and others.He CHEATED in the caucuses. He BLOCKED the revote in FL and MI. He has the media doing his bidding and slamming Hillary and I am mad as hell about it and the DNC will FAIL if they try to push this guy on America. He can’t even qualify for top security clearance with friends like the terrorist Ayers!

  • Annagain

    If we don’t stand up against this travesty loud and proud right now and make sure the DNC hears us, we are sending the message that we are sheep — able to be led around by whatever cadre happens to be in power. Our votes will mean nothing.

    If Democrats wish to win in November, they will count the votes and seat FL and MI proportional to the popular vote totals.

    It’s not the math — it’s the map and Hillary wins it hands down.

    If SDs wish to throw the election in the name of political correctness — then they are handing the government back to the Republicans and have only themselves to blame.

    The majority of Obama’s pledged delegates were won in February. In March, once we found out about Rev. Wright, Auchi, Ayers, Rezko, Bitter Gate, NAFTA Gate, even Sweetie Gate, his numbers with crucial demographics have been tanking horribly.

    Outspending Hillary 2, 3 and 4:1 — Obama still cannot close the deal. The media 90% in the tank for him, he still cannot close the deal. Paid endorsements galore, he still cannot close the deal. The DNC gaming the system — sing it with me everyone — he still cannot close the deal.

    If she is doing this well with voters with so many forces against her — what do you think will happen if everyone stands with her — we will win in a landslide in November — I cannot tell you how many Republicans I personally know who will also gladly vote for her. A tsunami of Republican women, particularly, will cross party lines for her.

    Conversely, if Obama is doing this poorly in the last couple of months, losing the majority of the contests since March 4, what do you think will happen once the Republicans have at him. Toast.

    Wake up Super Delegates.

  • brandy

    Anna, you are spot on.

    Obama is losing ground. Hillary is gaining ground.

    He HAD the momentum. She HAS the momentum.

    He HAD the movement. She HAS the movement.

    By June 3, Obama will probably be curled up in the fetal position hiding in one of Rezko’s slum lord apartments.

  • K. Wynne

    BO didn’t do so well in Kentucky because he decided since he wasn’t going to win, it was beneath him to campaign there.

    Now that might be one of the reasons and the other is, he doesn’t connect with these people and his proposed plans don’t go far enough in addressing their needs.

    I wouldn’t vote for any candidate who’d just send a barrage of TV ads rather than coming their himself and making his case. He doesn’t have a case. Just speeches, just words.

    Or maybe it’s because the people in Kentucky can tell when someone’s pissin on their boots and callin it a rainstorm!

    • terri

      My husband said Dowd has a piece out today saying that Kennedy had trouble in WV but he sent FDR, Jr. down to court the people there. They loved FDR because when the economy failed, FDR helped them.

      That’s the trouble with Obama. He’s trying to win the Dem nomination by destroying a President and First Lady who the Democratic base loves. We love them because when the Republicans ruined the economy and people were literally starving on the streets, Bill Clinton turned the economy around and created opportunities for all Americans. Obambi and the DNC don’t get it. Obama is NO JFK or FDR.

      If the Good Ole Boys in D. C. thought the Clinton legacy was too formidable for Obambi they should have held him out for a few years. Instead, they’ve destroyed their own party by unleashing their vicious dog on the Clintons.

  • marie

    I’ve been a democrat my entire life and vote in local, primary and national election. If Hillary is not the nominee or the VP there is no way I will vote for Obama. Cynthia McKinney is running on the green party ticket, she will have my vote. Then DNC have turned on the candidate that has put in her dues and can not only win in November but actually will fight for Americans, especially health care. There will be a democratic congress and the Hillary Clinton will get her health plan passed. Obama swiftboating of Hillary in the primary is all to familiar of Rove. He spends all his time tearing her apart and then acting like she’s the negative one. He is a sexists and watch how he will try and become more appealing to women very shortly. I wish Hillary would run as independent but if not Cynthia McKinney will have my vote.

    • terri

      Agree totally. I guess the DNC thought they could run a black man and he’d attract so many new voters they could just cut the Clinton Democrats loose. Didn’t quite work out. Now, they’ve lost us.

  • Tricia

    Please make sure you go to Hillaryclinton.com and sign up to get FL & MI votes counted (she asked every one to do this in her speech today)

  • Old Lady Who Knows Better

    Are you people nuts??? What part of only counting Hillary’s votes is fair????? Obama agreed to the compromise offered by Michigan; however, Hillary refused. She wants to count FL and MI but not the Caucus States. How is this fair??? Women, I promise if you just step back and calmly examine this insane trip you are on you will see that Hillary has lost because she ran a bankrupt campaign. There is no way for her to catch up.

    There are plenty of middle aged women blogging and networking for Obama and we would LOVE to have you join us! We are not mean and ugly women, we are your sisters. We too care about our children and grandchildren. We too want our country to change this course that is only benefiting the rich. We too want to end this stupid war in Iraq and bring our sons and daughters home. We too want to be able to afford to house and feed our family.

    I promise if you come you will be welcomed. It is not you we are angry at. We just want to see the fair and just count which includes the Caucus States and all the other States Hillary deems unimportant. We too are important. We just want to unite and win this election! McCain is just 4 more years of Bush. Join us and together we will succeed.

    • Strawberrybitch

      God, that last line sounded so much like Darth Vadar to Luke during the Empire Strikes Back as to make laugh out loud. “I AM YOUR FATHER HILLARY, JOIN ME, AND TOGETHER WE CAN RULE THE GALAXY AS FATHER AND SON…OR or in our case bastard son and bitter, old white woman.” Sorry toots. I don’t take kindly to racists, no matter what colour of their skin. Obama is a racist.

    • alexei

      The “compromise” was not only a proposal to give Obama all the uncommitted votes but also, some of Hillary’s votes as well. So people who definitely voted for Hillary were also going to be given to Obama. Gee, I wonder why Clinton rejected that deal. I sure would be livid if I was one of those voters whose vote was given to Obama. The only real fair and democratic method to determine this was re-votes, which Obama nixed. So, please don’t insult us with these ignorant and wrong talking points.

      Both candidates need Super Delegates to obtain the requisite number of delegates. The role of Super Delegates is to use their judgment to select a nominee who is best able to win against the Repubs and to be the best President. It is obvious with the current EC maps, that Hillary will beat McCain and Obama will lose.

      And, when Obama states that Iran is no threat to this Country, that he has no clue about the worst nuclear waste site in the Country, that he will meet the leader of Iran with no pre-conditions even when those pre-conditions are part of the UN Security Council requirements and when he is too busy running for President that he can’t convene even one meeting of the subcommittee on Europe that has oversight on Afghanistan, (plus many, many more examples to numerous to list), then it is quite evident, who would be the best President; again, Hillary Clinton. So if the Super Delegates had any ovaries or spines, Clinton would already be the nominee. Add the popular vote reflective of the will of the people, Hillary wins there too.

      As for the rest of your pablum, please stop. Your attempt at “unity” for an incompetent and corrupt politician is pathetic. Caucuses are unrepresentative, undemocratic and prone to fraudulent activities particularly from the type of Chicago style pol of Obama and Axelrod.

    • yttik

      We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. Prepare to be assimilated.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Let’s see. First Obama wants a caucus. When offered a revote primary, turns it down. Then he offers 50/50. Then he offered a plan that gave him all the uncommitted and part of hers.

      yep, that’s Obama all right.

      He’s so very reasonable. :( )

    • Donkey Brazziere

      You are making me laugh.

    • terri

      The popular vote in caucuses isn’t certified, the winners only get awarded delegates. Take a civics class.

    • Fem Dem inPa.

      Old Lady

      Not Bloody likely

  • Clinton Fan

    DAMN RIGHT.

    They “misunderestimate” us at their fucking PERIL.

    They don’t see how deep this goes.

    One American, One Vote.

    Never give up. Never give in.

    And if we have to wait four years, well, we will.

  • Mostest

    The “rule” to not include FL and MI as punish is simply a bad rule. I don’t care if Hillary, Obama, the DNC, the state legistatures agreed, it is a bad rule because the voters who are affected did not agree. Hillary, Obama and the whole DNC were wrong. When adults do something wrong we fix it. Bad laws are amended and bad decisions are reworked. We all do it in everyday life. Why not now. The intent of the voters is more important then being fair to Hillary or obama.

    BTW, why can’t they just revote MI and Fl. Why becasue Obama doesn’t want to…screw him. If he is such a rock star why not. Besides Obama is the one who has the most to gain he already lost once. And if I hear again how the outcome of the vote might change the primary…AHHH YEAH voting tends to change stuff if not why vote?

    • terri

      Yes, and what I’d like to know is why Republican legislatures were allowed to move Democratic primaries and then the Democrats get punished. There was an outcry in FL when the legislature did that. It’s an absolutely barking mad system. There should be a National Primary Day when every state votes in a primary. All this stringing the vote out stuff is just open to way too much corruption.

      Since there wasn’t a National Primary Day and Hillary is getting screwed by Republican legislatures, and the DNC won’t be reasonable, my vote is only for HIl.

  • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

    Superb commentary. I especially enjoyed

    Now Michael Moore is uncharacteristically silent on the subject of enfranchisement and Democratic leaders are shrugging their shoulders or, in the case of Donna Brazile, sending out unhinged e-mails to critics. We’ve come a long way, baby.

    Thank you!

  • Sharonevolving

    Don’t you guys remember 8 years ago? “we need a uniter, not a divider”. An affable guy you might like to drink a beer with, but who didn’t really know anything got elected, probably with no just a little help from his brother in Florida, where things went illegal mysteriously awry in that popular vote gig.

    And then after 911, suddenly it was “if you’re not with me, you’re against me.”

    My how the unity pony switches direction. First an appeal to come together, be one, unite, change, hope…and then it quickly moves to ‘if you’re not with us, you’re against us.’

    Our current pres, showing his respect for women, rubbed the shoulders of Angela Merkel, president of Germany, as though this is what women want, even when she cringed openly at the affront.

    Now it’s 2008, and guess what? The unity pony is back. This time it’s dressed as a Democrat, again, a nice affable guy you’d want to drink a white wine with, but who doesn’t really know anything or have any relevant experience. And suddenly, the country is moving in his direction with cries of Hope Change! Unite! (they left off the divide part, except for Hillary supporters – now THOSE people are divisive in the eyes of the unity pony). How long do you think it will be before it turns nasty to ‘if you’re not with us, you’re against us’.

    Oh wait! We’re there already. So here’s the thing. In my mind, McCain isn’t the next Bush.

    Obama is. Let’s start using that argument, since we already rode the unity pony once, and ended up with $4 gasoline, a trillion dollar war, and tons of dead service people sent to fight something in the name of patriotism, a war whose true intent is ‘secure the oil fields’.

    No thanks. I’d rather have someone who knows what they’re doing. Go Hillary!

    And if not you, then I will gladly accept McCain. After all, I don’t want another round of Bush.

  • Cajun

    I cannot vote for a person who wants to be President of the United States that —-

    Doesn’t know how that there are ONLY 50 states.

    Does he count Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, in his number of states?????

    Goodness, Quayle lost because he spelled potato differently.

    Potato = 57 States

    Obama’s excuse: The dog ate my homework.

  • bmc

    This is exactly right. The fix is in; and it has been since the DNC RBC ignored the violations by Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, yet doubled the sanction on Florida and Michigan.

    And about Michigan–Barack Obama took his name off the ballot–VOLUNTARILY. Why on earth should he get ONE damned delegate in Michigan?

    The “roolz” state:

    Refer to the DNC Delegate Selection Rules, specifically Rule 13.A.

    “Fair Reflection of Presidential Preference.”

    Delegates shall be allocated in a fashion that fairly reflects the expressed presidential preference or uncommitted status of the primary voters.

    As has been pointed out, Obama did not reach the 15% threshhold to receive delegates.

    Awarding him delegates would not reflect the legal and certified vote.

    Also see Rule 20.C.2. This addresses what happens when delegates are awarded in violation of Rule 13.

    Moreover:
    Rule 20.C.1.b. of the Delegate Selection Rules.

    “A Presidential candidate who campaigns in a state in violation of the timing provisions of the rules,… may NOT receive pledged delegates or delegate votes from that state.”

    Barack Obama held a press conference in Florida after signing a pledge not to do so. Obama ran ads in Florida–a national ad buy which intentionally included Florida–in violation of his pledge not to do so.

    And, of course, as everyone knows, Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, violated the primary deadline rules and were not sanctioned at all.
    Iowa held their caucus on 1-3, NH on 1-8, NV on 1-19, and SC on 1-26. All in violation of rule 11A, DNC Delegate Selection Rule.

    No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.

    The penalty for violating Rule 11A, according to DNC Delegate Selection Rule 20C1a [PDF], states:

    In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state’s delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state’s delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.

    The DNC, led by Howard Dean, aided and abetted by Donna Brazile and others, including Nancy Pelosi, have committed a reckless and wanton disregard for their own rules in the matter of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, and arbitrarily doubled the sanction on Michigan and Florida. This is a blatant disregard for the Democratic Party voters; and a conspiracy to defraud both Clinton and the voters of their “expressed” will.

    If this is allowed to stand, the nominee of the Democratic Party will be as “legitimate” as the SCOTUS-installed President in January 2001. And, my respect for the respective parties will be equivalent: Zero.

    I won’t collude in this stunning display of arrogance and electoral fraud in November.

  • LIBERTY IS FREEDOM

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    4. Wealth rules
    5. The principles of gross financial inequality and fear of global corporations.
    6. The reason the top 5% of the population control over 40% of the wealth.
    7. A government that, by blatant disregard for humanity and the environment, is causing the American “middle class” to shrink, fading into an almost poverty level existence. They do this by taking advantage of the “middle class’s” apathy and its addiction to fossil fuels.
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    9. The Corporacracy controls colonies in North America, Western and Eastern Europe, Central and South America, Asia, Africa and Australia. It’s sole rule of governance is to create money which creates more money.
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  • Chuck

    That is a Bush-style question, in that you offer only a binary choice. We will have other choices in November.

  • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

    Oh, give it a rest. I’m voting for the better candidate. If the contest is between Hillary and McCain, I’ll vote for Hillary. If the contest is between McCain and Obama, I’ll vote for McCain. This is not some stupid rah rah for our side football game; it’s the Presidency. It’s our country. If it were not for the age difference, I would believe Bush and Obama were twins separated at birth. I’d never vote for Bush, and I’ll never vote for Obama.

  • LBJ’s Love Child

    Or are you a McCainiac?

    Looks like I’m a freshly minted Independent who doesn’t reward stealing nominations with rigged procedures.

    As an Independent, I’ll support Hillary until she ends her campaign this year, either in August or November.

    As an Independent, I’ll support Hillary again when she starts it back up in 2011.

  • Kevin

    Why did you steal my identity?

  • Hope

    If you want the entire party to unify and vote Democrat get your useless, unqualified candidate, Obama, out of the race. When the party does what’s best for us, we will do what’s best for the party!

  • Margaret

    Gee, I wonder why Barry couldn’t get their vote. I guess it’s cause Barry’s a flaming racist who hates white people. He might want to work on that.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

    Don’t forget to mention how many of them are Latinos, please. They had a problem with Obama. Why do you think that is?

  • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

    Those kentucky idiots blantantly admitted that they “would never vote for a black man”.

    Even a 3rd grade Redneck at least knows how to spell.

    BTW, They’re honest. Can’t say much about you and like kind, though.

    Bet you live up North, where they hide their racism behind closed doors. Ask Obama about how it’s like up there (and where he learned how to pass Black racism as “payback”).

  • Hope

    and 90% of Blacks vote for Obama, you’re the racist if you don’t apply your standards to both sides.

  • Rex Burnett

    Boy that ought to show them you arrogant reverse-racist moron! That reasoned and well balanced response will automatically change their misguided minds about your candidate. How naive you sound. Of course, your attitude only mimics the Obama campaign zombies in general. I can assure you, that Barack will NOT be our next president. Vote Momma, not Obama

  • alibe4-Hillary

    First of all, Oregon people are not that much more educated. At least not enough to paint people from Kentucky as racists who are really stupid and poor. 25% of people from Oregon have college degrees. 17% of people from Kentucky have college degrees. It is less but only 8% less. The median income in Oregon is $44,000. People from Kentucky have a median income of $37,000. Now if property values are much higher in OR than KY, people in KY might have a standard of living very similar. Not saying there aren’t some really poor people in KY, (I’ve seen some pretty poor people in Or) but the blanket denigration of the people of KY is blatant biased bigotry of people from areas not in the latte elite. The people who made fun of people from KY should be ashamed, because those latte fools are the stupid ones.

  • Tricia

    How many of the AA where ask if they voted for Obama because he was black (he has been winning the AA vote 90%) I think that is also racist

  • Tricia

    Dont you think the AA voters have also been racist if 90% are going for Obama

  • Kathy

    I also heard a Kentucky woman say she wouldn’t vote for Hillary because women were suppose to be in the home. The Bible says so.
    Takes all kinds.

  • alexei

    My point – and there are 7.4% AAs in KY, do you know what % also responded that race was important? Or, about the white liberals who have stated that they love the idea of voting for a black man; do you know what % responded in this poll? Of course you don’t. Because it is a biased and flawed question with no context attached.

  • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

    Hmmmmm, let’s play copy and paste!

    Obama rules:
    By Rich Lowry
    ———————-

    1. He can’t be called a “liberal”.
    2. His toughness on the war on terror can’t be questioned.
    3. His extreme positions on social issues can’t be exposed.
    4. His Chicago background too is off-limits.

    Besides that, it should be a freewheeling and spirited campaign.

    [...]

    This is, of course, an impossible standard. Obama doesn’t expect anyone to live up to it except Hillary Clinton and John McCain.

    And…

    Obama Math:
    ——————-

    A famous mathematical physicst von Neumann said “If you allow me four free parameters I can build a mathematical model that describes exactly everything that an elephant can do. If you allow me a fifth free parameter, the model I build will forecast that the elephant will fly.”

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    SCROLLING ON BY.

  • so saddened

    i’m in the abo party, too.

    i see your name is i left these comments on cnn. i’m amazed they let you. i stopped even trying 3 months ago, because everything i said when to “moderation” and disappeared.

    maybe they’re trying to regain some of their lost integrity?

    too little, too late.

    hillary or mccain. no other option.