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Obama/Clinton v. McCain: Strategies

Let’s take a break from the primary fights, and look ahead to the general: Which strategy is best? And, if we prevail, and Hillary is the nominee, what should SHE do?

Robert Novak, via Human Events (I get its newsletter):

The Obama campaign has already begun to identify McCain as the third coming (that is, the third term) of George W. Bush. When President Bush inserted himself in the campaign-however intentionally or unintentionally-in his Israeli Knesset speech last week, Obama seized on it to buttress his main theme that McCain, improbably, is a Bush clone.

Sidney Blumenthal, via Real Clear Politics:

From the US News and World Report’s blog Washington Whispers:

Sidney Blumenthal, a former senior adviser to President Bill Clinton and strategist for Hillary Clinton’s Democratic presidential campaign, went “off message” (his words) today with a warning to his party: Don’t run against GOP nominee John McCain by painting him as Bush III, because he’s not. Bucking the Democratic National Committee’s talking points that characterize a potential McCain administration as tantamount to a third Bush term, Blumenthal told our Liz Halloran that running on that strategy in the fall would be a mistake. “I understand people’s political reasons for doing that,” he said. “I think it’s more helpful to describe [political opponents] as they are.” Bottom line, Blumenthal calls the strategy “a mistake and adds: “The public doesn’t see [McCain] that way. That’s a hard sell.” At an event to promote his new book, The Strange Death of Republican America: Chronicles of a Collapsing Party, Blumenthal also predicted that McCain has “lots of room to maneuver” politically before the fall election. What hurts the presumed Republican nominee? His need, Blumenthal says, to reassure conservative Republicans about the kind of nominees he’d make to the Supreme Court.

Real Clear Politics adds:

That sounds like good advice, although I think McCain’s “independent” streak might not be as well known to the general public as it is inside the Beltway. That’s hard to gauge. Voters will see a Republican, and that will be enough. So let’s call Sid’s warning exactly that: A warning to Dems not to rely solely on the “McSame” line.

  • troll free zone

    Clinton or Obama vs. McCain
    Just like to see her name first and with more than a
    / inbetween the two.
    lol

    • standard

      She is being marginalized on CNN. I just wrote a heated email to Larry King.
      They’re only showing clips between Obama and McCain.
      Figures. The first woman candidate, and “the men” are talking as if she isn’t there.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I saw that and agreed with Blumenthall.

    But that will be Obama’s approach. Out with the old. It’ll ring of ageism throughout, too.

    • AF catfish

      Oh yes to see skinny Obama say McCain is too old to perform should be a sight to see.

      • Strawberrybitch

        I’ve heard more than a couple of stories about the press following McCain having a hard time keeping up. And I’ll never forget the line McCain used on the Daily Show about his 100 year old mother doing Jello-shots.

        • AF catfish

          His mother being there really works! She looks like she’s got at least another decade to live.

    • JM

      Sidney’s comments ring true, and that is why the Democratic party better think long and hard about who they put up to challenge John McCain. As a life-long Democrat who has never voted for any Republican in ANY political race, if Barack Obama is the Democratic party’s nominee, I will vote against the party and for John McCain.

      I have seen many indications from Democratic Party big shots that think this type of “threat” will not be followed through, but they better think twice. I, and many other Democrats that I have communicated with, will cross party lines and vote Republican if Hillary is not the nominee. This is not as much a threat as it is a response to what we believe to be the active participation of the DNC in forcing an inadequate candidate down the Democratic party faithful’s throat. They have pursued a strategy of quashing Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, while actively propping up Barack Obama. We, the loyal party members, will not support this disgraceful attempt to silence the moderate voice of the Democratic party, and the blatant, and disrespectful attempt to disregard the successful presidency of Bill Clinton, who was the only Democrat to win back to back presidential races in decades. Loyalty to a political party is never blind, as we are not blind to what the party has attempted to do. The Democratic party will cease to exist in the minds of many of its most faithful. I, for one, hope that the Democratic party stumbles if they push Barack Obama as our nominee. This election, if Barack Obama is the nominee, will create the impetus for a general election defeat to the Republicans, and then the requisite cleansing of the inept leadership of the Democratic party. That will be the only good thing to happen from the general election.

  • http://www.fiscalliberal.com fiscalliberal

    I remember when McGovern ran as a war dove against Nixon. Nixon claimed a secret plan to end the war. That is what the people wanted to hear and McGovern lost all but one state.

    So to could Bush announce some sort of break through and start pulling the troops. Or, once McCain has the nomination he could break away from Bush. In general the public likes McCain and would give him the benenfit of the doubt.

    The Republicans know that if they beat the Democrats this time, the Democrats might as well sell donuts on the street corner.

    With Obama having no experience, the public will migrate to McCain with the least excuse. McCain will give them that excuse.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Taxes. Flip-flopper. Won’t be hard. He’s been careless. He says one thing in Montana, the opposite in San Francisco. It’s all u-tubed and running 24-7.

    • http://www.despair.com/idiocy.html Smilin’ Jim

      Nixon had the secret plan to end the war when he ran against Humphrey.

      When he ran against McGovern, twenty thousand or so body bags later, Kissinger came back and announced on October 26 that “We believe that peace is at hand”. Even though Thieu tried to stonewall the inplace cease fire the damage was done — without a war the anti-war candidate had nothing to run on.

      Now that is one hellova an October Surprise.

      So yes, Bush can do the dirty…..it has happened before.

    • workingclass artist

      I read at The Guardian that an Israeli source said that Bush/Cheney planned to Attack Iran before the end of His Term….That Bush assured Israeli Govt. of this on his last trip….This would work in McCain’s favor….No ?

  • Dawnelle

    Please, please, puhleaseeeeeeeeeeeee Larry

    can’t you post that tape of Michelle

    PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

    Before PR, MT & SD
    Before the last of the SUPERS cross over into the PINK MIST OF THE LAND OF THE DELUSIONAL!!

    PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE! (sigh) :-(

    sniff, sniff, do you want me to beg?
    (cuz I will) ;-)

    • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President & Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton **==

      This might help:

      Dear BILLIONAIRE,

      Please up the anti 5 million dollars a day until the video is released to the public.

      Sincerely,

      America

    • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

      Naw, save it for the convention. It’ll have more impact — like just before they want to nominate him.

      Make Dean et al pay for their crime, even if there’s a rift on the floor, to teach them a lesson they don’t mess with voters. The crime of throwing an election to GIVE to a candidate hopelessly clueless in running a government — he has ZERO management experience, and a president can’t rely on his advisors to do his job for him, while claiming he’s “present” in the Oval Office.

      Make the announcement burn. Burn the DNC and burn the media that fed on their scraps.

  • Donkey Brazziere

    I will not Vote Oblahblah for president period.

  • Patrick Henry

    Its obvious McCain is aware of what He has to do…and takes the Peoples pulse…He has already changed positions…been an “Idependant”..is getting data on Potential Demopublican Support if Obama is nominated..and will do what He thinks He has to do or say to WIN the election…Why He got the RNC Machinery and Money behind Him midway intrigues me..its too late for them to Bail out on Him Now…
    just like the DNC is backing Obama..even if they had only hoped for a second place finish for Him..

    Its become an Idelogical battle now…and there is treacher every where..I do not discount any scenario or Outcome…
    i can just hope that Hillary wins the Nomination..She has certainly earned Much deeper respect from Me..

    • Andy

      Well, I’d say HRC might just be the only true unifier
      after all.

    • workingclass artist

      If it’s between McCain and Obama the vote will split generationally….like it did with the democratic primary…..The More that comes out about Obama and his pals coupled with the gaffs he is making….The more it will swing for McCain,,,imho

      ** It will get very ungly too…McCain cannot stand Obama **

  • Dawnelle

    I really really realllllllllllllly would like to SAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!

    We NEED that VIDEO!!!!!!

  • McCain ’08 = Dole ’96

    Who is most suspicious of a McCain presidency?

    Older voters. Look at the polls.

    So who will vote for McCain, other than sore losers who want to punish Obama?

    Not enough to prevent Barack from being our next President.

    Move on up.

    • http://liberalrapture.com scott

      To the east side, to a D-lux apartment in the sky.

      • http://liberalrapture.com scott

        Unfortunately where barky’s involved the apartments would have no heat and lots of rats named tony and william.

        • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

          But every building would come with a complimentary kitchen cabinet stack by Obama

          • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

            Complete with rats AND grand daddy roaches not even seen in Chicago!

            • jes

              And no running water or heat in the winter.

              • Margaret

                And no food in the cabinets. Just one scrawny bunch of arugula in the fridge.

            • TeakWoodKite

              winter Roach jackets too.

        • waitingforgodiva

          HA HA HA HA HA.

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      Another paid Obama Blog poster earning his 25 cents a post and doing a craptacularly bad job of it.

      Seriously get a real job.

    • It’s Not Me

      Think again, whipper snapper. BO doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning without Hillary’s supporters. Come out of your cloud. The reality based is down here…on the ground.

      • Hillary is Wise.

        Hillary is going to campaign for Obama if he’s the nominee.

        She’s said so repeatedly.

        Too bad some of her so-called supporters don’t share her wisdom.

        Truth is, those who won’t follow her lead never shared her values.

        They are McCainiacs trying to stir shit for Operation Chaos.

        It’s okay though: Hillary & I will elect Obama without your help.

        We know what’s really at stake. You obviously don’t if you won’t assist.

        • JoeySky

          Yesterday BO, I will talk to Iran without precondition.
          Today BO, that’s not what I meant.
          Tomorrow BO, Iran is not a threat to the US.
          Tomrrow next BO, that’s not what I meant.

          • Hillary is smart & sane.

            Last night HRC: I will work to elect whoever the Dem nominee is.
            Today No Quarterites: Hillary is stupid or a liar to say that.

            If you think she’s stupid to support Obama, what does that say about how truly committed to her values & vision you are?

            Hillary is no dummy. She knows what’s at stake in Nov.

            If you’re going to ignore her requests, why not just jump ship now?

            It won’t matter to Obama supporters like Hillary.

            She will help elect him without your help.

            • jes

              Hillary is smart & sane:

              You are a total ass.

            • stxabuela

              Unlike ObamaNation, I don’t think Hillary is the Messiah. I’m actually an adult, and I make decisions without waiting to see what the “kewl kidz” do. If Hillary campaigns for Obama, that’s fine with me. She’s also an adult who makes decisions based upon what SHE thinks and doesn’t let the “in crowd” decide for her. Hillary is not stupid should she support Obama–I just happen to disagree with her. In the real world, adults sometimes agree to disagree.

              Of course, you couldn’t possibly comprehend that there are actually people who ardently support Hillary without worshipping the ground on which she walks. Did you really think that posting with the screen name “Hillary is smart and sane” would fool us, too? I. am. NOT. voting. for. Barack. Obama. Clear enough for you?

              Come back after you’ve graduated from high school.

            • waitingforgodiva

              Hillary wilL work for the Democratic party like she always has. Many of us don’t give two shits about the party when we cast our ballots, because that is communist mentality. You lose the middle, if you don’t nominate her.

            • http://liberalrapture.com scott

              “I will work to elect whoever the Dem nominee is.”

              She is talking about herself dumbass. She will be the nominee…She will be our next President!

            • Thrasyboulos

              Rezko Democrat Barack Obama will become President when rivers run backwards. When snow falls in Death Valley. When…

              You get the idea. Ayers Democrat Barack Obama will become President on the twelfth of never.

          • AF catfish

            Exactly! I love Hillary but…McCain’s old age doesn’t concern me as much as Obama’s naivete. Sorry Hillary!

            • ginaswo

              yes! and I have to disagree with RealClearPolitics, everyone I know sees McCain as centrist, independent, maverick who has earned the wrath of neocons and his party, this makes him much more attractive as a candidate! he is already welcoming indies and dems with open arms and talking about alternative energy and global warming, further annoying rush and crew and further endearing himself to us….

        • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

          Hillary is going to campaign for Obama if he’s the nominee.

          She will, because she’s a Dem.

          But her voters aren’t all Dems, or will be a Dem in the GE.

          Country and dignity comes first. Women have been insulted for months, and Hillary couldn’t touch the subject, as the rabid media dogs would’ve bit her. But Women voters can and WILL protest the treatment not only the first woman president, but American women. The women that gave birth to those fools, even the women dying in Iraq without equal respect.

          We’re not going to take it anymore!

          • It’s very simple.

            Voting for McCain guarantees more women will die in Iraq.

            Why do you hate women?

            Be smart like Hillary.

            Vote Dem in Nov.

            Save women’s lives.

            • http://penitent-thief.blogspot.com/ LBJ’s Love Child

              Don’t be stupid,

              be a smarty,

              Come and join

              the Nazi Party!

              Why yes, it is very simple.

              • Bonhoeffer

                You think Hillary is a Nazi?

                But you support her?

                What does that make you?

                • apishapa

                  I’m pretty sure one of Obama’s senior advisors said in an interview that we really aren’t supposed to take his promise to get out of Iraq seriously. The whole 16 months thing is just a campaign slogan and he can’t be held to that promise. In addition, he does not rule out the use of mercenaries in Iraq. So, how will votoing for him save “women’s lives”?

                  Barack doesn’t intend to leave Iraq. McCain is just a little more honest in his spiel.

              • Strawberrybitch

                God, I love that movie. The original.

              • ginaswo

                the inquisition

                ‘the inquisition

                high kicks here….

            • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

              Voting for McCain guarantees more women will die in Iraq.

              At least they’re more brave than wimps like you, chicken shit!

              You’re so chicken, your hen of a momma was even insulted!

            • http://liberalrapture.com scott

              Don’t worry we will vote DEM in November, for a Dem named President Hillary Clinton.

        • jes

          The only reason she said that is because he will not be the Democratic nominee. She made a promise that she won’t have to keep.

          Get out of the pod. Earth to Obambots.

        • http://www.12counts.com tam

          If you knew what was at stake you would be supporting Hillary, or at the least, not harassing and trying to guilt and intimidate her supporters.

    • Curtis

      Hush now child,
      and don’t you cry
      Your folks might understand you
      by and by
      Move on up
      towards your destination
      You may find
      from time to time
      Complications

      Bite your lip
      and take a trip
      Though there may be
      wet road ahead
      You cannot slip
      Just move on up
      and peace you will find
      Into the steeple
      of beautiful people
      Where there’s only one kind

      So hush now child
      and don’t you cry
      Your folks might understand you
      by and by
      Just move on up
      and keep on wishing
      Remember your dreams
      are your only schemes
      So keep on pushing
      Take nothing less –
      not even second best
      And do not obey –
      you must have your say
      You can past the test

      Move on up!

      • waitingforgodiva

        You Obama supporters are seriously fucking scary.

    • yttik

      “So who will vote for McCain, other than sore losers who want to punish Obama?”

      Are you one of those paid sweet talkers from the Obama campaign? Good grief, your messiah has poor judgment. He can’t even hire a decent blogger!

      So far tonight I’ve read how I’m too old, a hag, uneducated and racist.

      Needless to say, NObama, not ever.

      • Be like Hill.

        Hillary never called you any of those things.

        She has a tough skin and she’ll campaign/vote for Obama if he’s the nominee.

        Why can’t you be more like Hillary?

        • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

          Because we don’t orders from Obamatics — especially those dressed as weasles!

          • A Dem will win in Nov.

            You’re saying that Hillary is an Obamatic dressed as a weasel?

            That’s sexist.

            How dare you.

            • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

              You’re saying that Hillary is an Obamatic dressed as a weasel?

              You’re saying that Obama is an Obamatic dressed as a weasel?

              This is more fun than n00bs on alt.flame

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      That’s because of SS.

    • Andy

      McCain ’08 = Dole ’96: Dream on.

      • Donkey Brazziere

        Obama ’08 = McGovern ’72: Nightmare.

    • workingclass artist

      I beg to differ….Older voters will swing to McCain….after they get to know Obama.

      • ginaswo

        and middle voters like myself (38), once they get a load of Uhhbamas 30% increase in payroll taxes plan will run like hell to vote for McCant….

  • Manu

    Things that Hillary should keep in mind if she wins:

    *The media will be against her. Even the raving loonies from Huffpo and Kos.

    *McCain will try to augment his military credentials by bringing up his record as a war veteran. They swiftboated Kerry in spite of his, so McCain is fair game. Getting tortured by your captors is a sad thing, but does not qualify you to understand foreign policy or military strategy for that matter. It does qualify you for psychological help to get rid of your nightmares. 527 groups should diminish his record (while being sympathetic of course).

    *McCain has a temper. During debates try to jab him to throw him off balance and get his temper flaring.

    *McCain called his wife a c*nt. Hillary should bring this up from time to time as an example of McCain’s sexism.

    *Women dig Hillary. While I like to think this is a lesbian thing, it’s probably more of a feminist thing. Energize women and make them see that this is history in the making.

    *Images speak louder than words. Hire graphics and video designers to incorporate historical elements with modern elements which emphasize the historical angle of her candidacy. Hippy stuff with high tech stuff would be funky.

    *Bill should try to keep his cool. Republicans don’t like and he doesn’t like Republicans, but this is not the time for payback. Perhaps later…

    *Minimize the fear of terrorism angle by turning it into a practical rather than a military problem. McCain learned his military tricks a long time ago when fighting an army. This is a different type of war that needs to be won with different means.

    *Inspire inspire inspire.

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      HRC and JMcM are very good friends in the senate.

      If its a race between the two of them it will be one of the most civil issue based elections of all time.

      • waitingforgodiva

        My God! Can you imagine? It almost makes me weep for what it would do for the intelligence quota of msny American voters.

      • workingclass artist

        Agree….If the race is Between Obama and McCain it will be very nasty…
        Obama will be reduced to a snivelling race baiter worse than now….and foks will be so sick of his shit they will vote just to be rid of him and his New Politics…If Bush attackes Iran….It will be over for Obama because even if most folks want the war to be over…They don’t want an obvious ignorant fool like Obama to have control of the arsenal…

    • Kourian

      How are you going to inspire if you go for dirty politics from the get-go? Why will you people never understand this is supposed to be a discussion amongst all peoples? A CIVIL discussion? Disgusting.

  • Kourian

    This is all so depersonalised. Hillary should do what she does best: discuss. Anyone who takes the time to listen to her falls in love with her. She and John will conduct a nice campaign – and frankly the nation needs such a campaign to heal – and she will win simply because her agenda is what people want.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      I agree. She seemed pretty stiff the other night in Kentucky, and I’m sure it was because of Ted.

      She’s just really authentic.

  • fastracu

    There is a concept in business strategy called ‘good enough’ McCain only has to be ‘good enough’ to give dissafected Hillary voters an excuse to vote for him.The fact that a lot of Republicans think he is a Conservative Democrat should make rthat easy. All he has to get is a swing against Obama by being good enough and the offended Republicans will stay away but NOT vote for Obama

    • Tom Plumb

      I understand your point, but “good enough” is not “good enough,” it’s a slippery slope.

      I would advise McCain not to appear too overconfident, no matter whom he runs against.

      Clinton will be more fair, Obama feels the fix is in, period.

  • Kourian

    I’m out of here. Now I know more why this nomination struggle has been so dirty. That’s the way you people play! I would never repeat NEVER have got involved had I known you BOYS were doing things this way. Shame! Shame on you! Do you seriously think Hillary wants people like you to help her? In this way? With help like you she doesn’t need any enemies – you will make them!

    Raw disgusting. Shame. Grow up.

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      please stop impersonating a hillary supporter. we know you are a paid obama blog poster. your 25 cent guilt trip post is useless. be gone.

      • Nicole

        That’s hysterically funny:
        Kourian’s impersonation is really, really bad–an amateur performance all-round. The faux outrage has me giggling, still. Actually, I think the “Raw disgusting” bit is a dead giveaway that “Kourian” is probably off-shore and his/her English is somewhat fractured. Tee hee.

    • JoeySky

      You took upon yourself 5 months ago that we are your enemy. So reap what you sowed. It’s harvest time.

    • http://penitent-thief.blogspot.com/ LBJ’s Love Child

      Raw disgusting. Shame. Grow up.

      Damn, Dog! You’ve SEEN the Michelle video!?!?!?!?!

    • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

      You’re a foreigner, and foreigners have no business trying to influence American politics.

      Take your “Telly” back to your pinko country, instead. The same country that had to save your ass twice in the 20th century, because you couldn’t do it yourself, as you were helping Stalin gain power!

      • TeakWoodKite

        You’re a foreigner, and foreigners have no business trying to influence American politics.

        That is a reality that is unavoidable. The “one world” memo of social capital-marxism to cloak abject greed is out of the bag.

        Nothing occurs in isolation. The ability of a human to appreciate the contours of reality is overwhelmed by the amount of information one is required to absorb and the speed at which it arrives.

        How does one control donation sweatshops in Gaza and other places on the globe that are designed to remain under the radar?

        Testimony given recently by the CJCS regarding the level of NRO contracting states that it is 90 percent of staffing. That incredibly sensitive intelligence assets are not in the complete control of the federal government says volumes about our ability to safeguard the national security, never mind the flow of a sequence of “odd amount” contributions to a political candidate who is less than 1 degree of seperation away from half a dozen individuals with dubious or criminal backrounds.

  • Dawnelle

    HILLARY LIVE ON CNNLIVE

    in Coral Gables, FL

    WOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!

  • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

    There is a long time between Now and August…and a long time till november.

    The Rezko trial is the first of several.

    But many of the involved parties have already acccepted plea deals in exchange for squacking.

    Once the rezko (guilty) virdict comes in, its on to the next phase.

    First its the plea deal from Rezko to shorten his sentance in exchange for some straight talk express about the great Bamboozeler.

    Then shortly after we will see the indictment of Politician 1 followed by indictment of politician 2.

    We already know both Politician 1 and Politician 2 recieved significant amounts of kickbacks to their campaigns from this pay for play deal over the course of several years.

    We already know who politician 1 is cough governor cough.

    Guess who politician 2 is.

    No NO NO its not Reverend Wright.

    For indepth and ongoing investigative journalism on this topic you should read the very lengthy and series written by Evelyn Pringle

    You can find them here.

    http://www.opednews.com/author/author58.html

    She is currently working on part 6 of the series Curtain Time for Barack Obama.

    Go Get your Obama Education.

  • Dawnelle

    lol Corinne Brown said they are taking BUSES to DC on the 31st to protest!!!

    LOL she’s HOT!

    • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

      W00t!!!

  • Manu

    Kourian, the republican are warriors and you need to meet them on their own terms. I know democrats have an aversion to fighting, which is why you always end up getting screwed by Republicans or bamboozled by the likes of Obama.

    It is no coincidance that one of Rove’s favourite books is the art of war. Read it. Study it. Learn it. Just because you fight doesn’t mean that you cannot be civil. Fight with honour and courage. The way of the Samurai. Take back the House. Now.

    • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

      He’s a foreigner. Americans aren’t into LSE (London School of Economics) and Oxford, and let alone call the TV “telly”, afterall.

      Let alone spell honor as “honour”, or favorite “favourite”.

      Friend of yours, huh?

      So he gets the fish and chips, and you the Horton’s doughnut (or a vegimite sandwich)?

    • Strawberrybitch

      Ummmm. Psssssst. Sun Tzu was Chinese. Samurai are Japanese. A little FYI. Sorry, please do go on.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Musashi then? :)

        • jwrjr

          That would the Book of Five Rings.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Must study this….

  • ivorybillwoodpecker

    The Democratic Party will keep losing presidential elections unless and until the pragmatists displace the Puritans as party leaders.

    Plastic Jesus is not going to sell well among the general voting public, especially once the Elephascist Slime Machine knows he will be the nominee and so it can focus on him.

  • HARP

    the CNN T shirt is a scam

    This shop is owned and managed by:
    Stephanie Smeriglio
    thebarbariangroup
    455 Broadway
    3rd Floor
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    E-Mail: stephanie at barbariangroup.com

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      *whew*…..thanks.

  • rwc

    Fantasy politics. I love it.

    1. McCain’s war record and service should not be touched by Democrats or the 527′s. If they do, they risk a serious backlash.

    Especially someone who was tortured. If Democrats and liberals touch this they deserve to be labeled as anti-American scum.

    The problem is the Democrats have a serious public perception problem on national security. One only has to see the whinefest by senior Democrats after Bush made his remarks about appeasement.

    Also it will be seen as unpatriotic. Kerry was fair game because the asshat campaigned on it. McCain doesn’t wave it around like a badge of honor like Kerry did.

    2.Get McCain on the issues. Especially domestic ones where he is weakest. There’s a ton load of stuff here to exploit.

    Then work on select foreign policy issues.

    3.McCain comes off as a likeable guy. Character assassinations won’t work very well. Even his temper won’t be much of issue with most folks. Sure latte liberals and people of fragile constitutions are offended by it, but those types don’t vote GOP.

    • Manu

      Good points, rwc. McCain is tough because he’s not a typical republican (which is why republicans don’t like him too much). These are just ideas though and they should all be laid out on the table, good and bad ones.

  • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

    I agree with Blumenthal. McCain realized his mistake in 2000 when he bucked the base of his party. So now he reappears as a conservative to get the support he needs for the nomination from his base. Anyone that follows McCain’s political history knows with certainty that he does what he thinks is right even if it doesn’t set well with the rest of his party. That is one thing about him that I have always admired.

    I know how to beat him but I will not reveal that information here. When Hillary becomes the nominee I will gladly share.

    • so saddened

      just so obambi never finds out if he’s the nominee.

    • workingclass artist

      imho….it won’t even come down to Dem v Rep….in the usual scheme…
      It will come down to foreign policy v economics….Which is the bigger issue.
      If GOP controls the dialogue ( esp. if Bush expands the war ) then McCain will win….
      Clinton would be able to keep the dialogue focused on the economy…Obama will not….Obama has no GRAVITAS…

  • Tom Plumb

    ChrisXP made a very concise point, I think, regarding the CIA, and it’s protection of the country, both the left and the right.

    A President has to depend on the CIA,all intel, to tell him when it’s safe to take a shit, I mean, really, for many reasons, intelligence is his, or her, life’s blood, he simply will not succeed without intelligence by his side, it’s a very rough world out there, and already, Obama looks.broken.

    Friends are really enemies, enemies pretend to cooperate, even people you thought you could count on are against you, now, for whatever reason, how is one to tell without becoming a raving paranoid, paralyzed with fear?

    Obama has alienated the CIA, if only by his willingness to contract with America’s enemies, these people seem to think the President walks in, and everyone does as their told.

    Acquiesce to a criminal, treasonous president?

    Is that realistic?

    Just a thought…

    • Operation Ajax

      So the CIA should pick the President?

      Less hassle than voting, i guess.

      Let’s roll!

      • Tom Plumb

        NO, how about a future president more respectful of the Constitution, and the law?

        How about that?

        • Tom Plumb

          The oath is to the Constitution, Mr McGovern wrote about this issue, yesterday.

          The oath is not to the President.

          The founding fathers planned it that way, so no one man, woman, or party, could steal the government, whilst we were all asleep.

        • Atticus Finch

          You mean one that was willing to decry and did not vote to authorize illegal, immoral wars that violate the Nuremberg Principles?

          That kind?

          His name is Barack.

          • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

            News Flash for the insipide koolaid kiddies:

            Barack Obama was in the Illinios senate building the kitchen cabinet of pay for play influence pedeling for his friend Tony Rezko a the time that the US senate was voting on the Iraq War Resolution.

            He had no part in voting for or against it.

            Just like Selma had no part in introducing his parents so they could screw and give birth to the great faux orator. In actuality he was born several years before Selma.

            Kicker isnt it when the fact get you.

          • Strawberrybitch

            He didn’t vote because he wasn’t in the senate at the time. So why didn’t the brave Obambi vote to defund the war? He could’ve…oh that’s right, he pushed the wrong button…AGAIN!

          • Tom Plumb

            But is of course willing to fund and profit from it?

            Say Alsammarae?

            My goodness, think if the CIA thought like a K** troll.

            The Russians and Chinese would run our government@!

            LOLOLOLOLOLOL

          • TeakWoodKite

            Like I said “Mockingbird Obama”

          • ginaswo

            he wasnt there to vote up or down, probably wouldve been ‘present’ that day anyway, but he did manage to help others make loads of profits off the war, electric company-google it..

        • workingclass artist

          Folks will give up their liberties in exchange for security….History shows this behavioral pattern….Especially in War Time…

      • waitingforgodiva

        The CIA is picking the candidate more or less. 70% of our intel is outsourced. People with large fortunes at stake are invested in this election, and they are supporting Obama. McCain at least has been around long enough to have his political “bearings” but Obama is new and owes favors already. That’s the reason the media is in the tank for him.

        • Tom Plumb

          Mmm, I dont know that I would draw that conclusion.

          I wouldn’t think everyone is equal, like any organization, it’s most likely not homogeneous.

    • Operation Northwoods

      Talk to JFK about the CIA.

      Oh, wait…

      Another reason not to have Lady Bird be VP.

      • Tom Plumb

        Yes, of course, it still being, what, 1962?

        Oy!

        Only in your head…

    • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

      Friends are really enemies, enemies pretend to cooperate, even people you thought you could count on are against you, now, for whatever reason, how is one to tell without becoming a raving paranoid, paralyzed with fear?

      Learn the “game”.

      Apparently, you haven’t, and like a puppy dog, is more interested chasing and biting off his own tail.

      No Milkbones for you, Pouchie! :)

      • Tom Plumb

        You have no clue what I said, at all, do you ?

  • JoeySky

    Principles are always more important than rules. If rules are rules, Rosa Parks would have sat in the back of the bus.

    When the rules are wrong, we must fight to abandon the rules to preserve the principle.

    And the principle of democracy is ‘every vote count’.

    • Dora Ratquila

      Be afraid – WHITEY – they will accuse us of racism again for invoking Rosa Parks’ name in vain.

    • Tom Plumb

      Yes, exactly.

      Which is why I will go to the mat for Clinton.

    • Nicole

      JoeySky, that was beautifully “said.” It’s the best way to deflect all the narrow-minded naysayers who bellow “RULES” at every turn.

      I’m going to tuck this away and bring it out next time someone starts sputtering about “but, but, but the rules”.

  • Meesaarsngg

    There’s more basis for likening Obama to Jimmy Carter than there is for comparing McCain to Bush. That’s especially if McCain chooses a moderate Republican for VP.

    • ginaswo

      except for Brezinski, the note to tell America to turn the thermostat down, put on a sweater, eat less and drive smal cars..

      except for that part right

      oh yeah and hugging Hammas….

  • candymarl

    This discussion is really interesting. I see that this is the after Kentucky backlash. McCain may well lose. But calling people f’ing losers or morons is not the way to get them to vote for your candidate. They don’t have to vote McCain. All they have to do is stay home. Or write in, where applicable, another candidate. I thought Obama said to be nice to Clinton supporters? Guess some people didn’t get the memo. Or they know he didn’t mean it.

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      Its the good cop bad cop strategy. They send the paid Obama Blog Posters here in shifts.

      There is a shift claiming to be Hillary Supporters and that we should vote for obama or we really dont care about hillary.

      There is a shift of Insult mongers who come and go nya nya your bitch lost get over it.

      There is a shift of I was a hillary supporter but now I can’t be anymore after how devisive she has been and how racist her campaign has been.

      There is a shift of You are not a true dem if you vote mccain he is going to take away roe v wade and all you bitches will end up barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen posters.

      There is a shift of we must come together now and beating McCain is all that matters for the good of the country patriotism guilttrippers.

      Hang out long enough and you will see them all.

      • Margaret

        Rotating propagandists. Very transparent.

  • ivorybillwoodpecker

    In 1972, in 1988, in 2000 and 2004, many of the Puritan type of Democrats thought that the Elephascist record was so bad and their candidates so weak that any Democrat could win. They were wrong.
    [Granted, the last two of those elections might well have been stolen.]

    The Corporate Holodeck Media [aka MSM] and the Elephascist Party [aka GOP] will make Bill Ayers Obama’s “running mate”, just like they did with Willie Horton and Dukakis in 1988.

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      2004 was not stolen sadley. Kerry just sucked balls.

      2000 also was not so much stolen as outplayed.

      The loudest screamers here in florida at the recount stations were the ones who contested enough chads that they gave Bush his 532 vote win margin.

      Much like the loud obnoxious obama screamers have done at the caucuses and are trying to do with the nomination.

      • ginaswo

        Brazile has told us she learned at the knee of Rove in 2000..

    • yttik

      You got that right, ivorybillwoodpecker. If the democrats nominate him they will to coin a new phrase, “baracked”. I suspect his defeat will go down in history, much to McGovern’s relief.

      • Margaret

        Actually I’ve heard the term “baracked” already. A chant at an Obama rally “We will barack you”. Freaked me out pretty good.
        Nope, no sexism or threats in Obambi’s campaign, he’s sure an innocent.

    • Dora Ratquila

      And the tragic thing about it is that Dean, Pelosi, Kerry (a loser in 2004), Carter (a distant runner-up to Reagan in 1980 and helped define his party to electorates for a generation) McCaskill, Richardson, et. al. could not care less. Their sick obsession with getting Obama crowned and declared the Democratic Party’s new messiah is propelled by their hatred of the Clintons more than anything. They don’t give a rat’s ass whether Obama is bound to lose given the skeleton army in his closet. They would rather help foster the ambition of a do-nothing, say-anything political opportunist who just happens to be black than help redefine their party – as the party who has the best answers to the needs of America’s middle class and the underprivileged, as championed by an experienced and competent female senator. Ergo, the Democratic Party deserves to be cursed again!

      • Nicole

        I think their motivation is less hatred and more cold (blind) ambition. With Obama as the titular head, they could comfortably assume the power plays behind the throne. Don’t you think? I doubt someone as new, and inconsequential, as McCaskill has had the time to formualate a real hatred towards Hillary. (By the way, I despise and loathe McCaskill.)

      • AXT

        It is one of my goals to defeat Claire McCastskill in 2012!
        She had the nerve to go on Ed Schultz’s show and call Hillary a racist!

  • llamajockey

    I agree. Don’t count on the old fighter pilot McCain not making a couple of critical evasive maneuvers in order to attempt to win the GE.

    One of McCain’s biggest current weaknesses is that the working and middle class segments of the Republican base hate his “Open Borders” stance on immigration. They refer to him as McAmnesty. Some Conservative bloggers have suggested that folks would be better off teaching the the Republican party and the RNC a lesson by voting for Hillary if she gets the nomination.

    Hillary is definitely benefiting from recent indications that she is moving more to the center on immigration, that is more towards the Restrictionist/Lou Dobbs’ position.

    Just look at what happened today. The congressional switchboards were once again shutdown because Senator Feinstein and Craig tried to sneak a mass 5 year amnesty for illegal alien farm workers into the Iraq War funding bill. Immigration and Border Security are a huge issues in this election.

    Now with the likelihood of the most vocal and powerful “Open Borders” advocate in the Senate, Ted Kennedy soon to be forced in to retirement, the chances for “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” after the 2008 election are increasingly dim if not non-existent. Likewise the majority of Democrats running for open seats in Congress are running as either Immigration moderates to outright restrictionists.

    So here is Obama’s problem. He has shown time and time again that he is ideologically committed to continuing Open Borders policies like “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”. He has equated Open Borders with Civil Rights which is language used by groups like La Raza and MALDEF. Obama has gone to the extreme of calling out and criticizing Lou Dobbs by name.

    What is Obama’s problem with taking such an inflexible position? McCain is still a maverick. Clearly he is able to see the writing on the wall. By the GE it is likely McCain will in the end prove will to be more pragmatic on immigration including choosing as his VP somebody with much stronger Restrictionist credentials.

    That would mean an Obama nominee way out to the left of public opinion, completely out-flanked on one of the top 5 issues in this election, a top three issue among independent voters.

    50 state defeat anyone???

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      “50 state defeat anyone???”

      We can only hope. I think that is the only way to ensure this scumbag heads back to chi-town and never returns.

      • yttik

        50 state defeat? Well, according to Obama that still leaves him a 7 state win, LOL.

        Actually if he managed to get the nomination, I’d only put money on him winning the District of Columbia. Those people went 92% for John Kerry. I don’t think they like Republicans.

        • ginaswo

          I think he’ll win Berkley
          maybe we can show it on the map in pink for Code Pink

    • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

      Some Conservative bloggers have suggested that folks would be better off teaching the the Republican party and the RNC a lesson by voting for Hillary if she gets the nomination.

      hehehe :angel:

      • Margaret

        Women from all parties will come out in droves to vote for our girl.

        • ginaswo

          yes!! GOP women come up to me all the time when they see my Hillary button on my purse and whisper they will vote for Hillary in the GE…

          all…the…time…

    • Mike

      Saw a clever comment somewhere that stated:

      McGovern switched support from Hillary to Obama because he looking for, and hoping for, someone to beat his record of losing 49 states before he died.

      He decided Obama was the “one he had been waiting for”!

      • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

        BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

      • yttik

        LOL, that’s a possibility.

    • TeakWoodKite

      groups like La Raza

      …who his “emissaries” met with while campaigning in California.

      Nothing new for Lou Dobbs and in fact being called out BO just shows what an idiot BO is.

    • workingclass artist

      Jockey….you are a fool….!/2 of Obama’s supposed support will desert him once he gets the nod…The GOP wanted him as a candidate….ez to beat in Nov.

      • llamajockey

        I don’t know what you are implying. Clearly I see an Obama nomination as a disaster for the Democrats. Yes I think that a significant fraction of Obama primary supporters could vote for McCain. Either because they were Republicans to begin with or folks will realize that Obama is way out of step with public opinion on a number of issues.

  • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

    Dear Barry,

    Are you enjoying your 1.9 million dollar mansion and your fancy SUV?

    I hope by using less water, keeping the heat lower in the dead of winter, eating less fries, driving smaller economy cars and using less resources i can ensure that you are able to live in the lap of luxury while the rest of us cut back and conserve as our resources dwindle.

    Love and Kisses,

    the American Public

  • Mike

    Regarding all of the Obama trolls:

    Notice the English and phrasing of many of the trolls. Obama’s campaign has literally outsourced his trolling harassment force.

    A few weeks ago encountered several in a blog, awakened a friend with an IP checker, he entered blog, found 4 Indian and Phillipino IPs.

    Below 2 examples of confrontation:

    Re Kizeem,
    Just for the record: Kizeem is not posting from a US ip., nor US time zone.

    Probably not a US voter. Just “an out-sourced” Obama “harasser” as mentioned in the comment about the Obama “clog the blogs” posters.

    Guess he/she works the mid-night shift!

    Posted by: Mike | Apr 5, 2008 7:25:28 AM

    To Mike,

    You make me laugh. There is nothing like Obama outsource ‘harasser’, whatever you mean. For your info, I am going to be in PA on 4/22/08.

    So, see you there.

    Posted by: Kizeem | Apr 5, 2008 7:32:00 AM

    • Mike

      Added comment,

      Kizeem then left the blog along with the other 3.

      • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

        so much for the obama promise to keep jobs here in the US. HAHA

      • TeakWoodKite

        At times I watch the site meter at NQ and there are hits from all over the world.

        It would be interesting to look at connections during peak troll times and run them back….

    • Obama_is_Weak

      Good research op. Mike.
      What a bunch of morons….

    • Margaret

      That’s great! So we have Middle Eastern trolls. No wonder they’re so good at sexism.

      • TeakWoodKite

        I’ve concluded trolls are like a tumbleweed…. mostly a drain on bandwidth

        • workingclass artist

          and just as aimless….

  • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

    Obama is dirty.

    Its all going to come out eventually.

    We have not begun to scratch the surface of the crap this snake-oil huckster is covered in.

    Just wait and see.

  • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

    Plastic Jesus actually OUTSOURCED his trolls?

    What, did he think nobody would check the IPs?

    “Ehhh, wodda ma-roon! :D

    • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      Well isn’t there camp obama slogan “do not question, just Believe!”?

    • http://www.arguewitheveryone.com ChrisXP

      Plastic Jesus actually OUTSOURCED his trolls?

      Yeppers. He tends to draw on the soccer youth from the British commonwealth, too.

      Wonder if Obama et al will import them for the riots, too?

      Old Hickory said we could take ‘em by surprise
      If we didn’t fire our muskets till we looked ‘em in the eyes
      We held our fire till we see’d their faces well
      Then we opened up our squirrel guns and gave ‘em ..Well….we…

      …fired our guns and the British kept a’comin’
      There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago
      We fired once more and they began to runnin’
      On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

      Yeah they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
      And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn’t go
      They ran so fast that the hounds couldn’t catch ‘em
      On down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico

      ;)

      • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

        Chris XP: When I was a kid, this was my favorite part of the song:

        We fired our cannon ’til the barrel melted down
        So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round
        We filled his head with cannonballs and powdered his behind
        And we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind

        :)

  • http://www.musicbyday.com Musical Notes

    I don’t agree. I think you have to take each & every opportunity to link McCain to Bush. It would be crazy not to do that. And I also disagree that it’s such a hard sell. McCain has the same policies as Bush when it comes to the war, the economy, and health care – all of the biggest issues.

    This site makes the case quite well:

    http://www.Bush-McCainChallenge.com

    • ginaswo

      Obama recently lifted McCains health plan
      2500.00 credit pp 5000 per family

      McCain also objects to ANWAR drilling..
      Obama voted for the Cheney energy bill

      Obama rolled out harry louise ads against universal health care, Obama called the Clintons racist, Obama lies….
      nothing on Earth could make me vote for Uhhbama

      It is Hillary or McCain

  • Mel

    The GOP has a very easy time with Obama if he is the nominee, one which will cause long lasting harm to the Democratic Party!

    1-Start with Obama’s book! His claim to be a product of the Kennedy Airlift and a product of Selma, both flat out lies! GOP will continually remind Americans that the Democratic Party new this and allowed it to be used by Obama, thus allowing a liar to be their nominee, and not a liar about policy or anything action he had taken, but at the core of Obama’s own being!

    2-His being raised by a single mother, another misleading fact of Obama’s fantasy mind. His mother was single for a year or two before being involved once again, and most of Obama’s life he was raised by “typical white grandparents” and raised well, though he wants people to believe otherwise!

    3-Then they will slam home the Rezko, Rev Wright, Racism used against fellow Democrats, Communist followings since the age of 10, his lack of legislation and voting patterns, his wife’s racism and the list goes one!

    What is the biggest of fantasies Axelrod has Astroturfed will never survive what Clinton could never attack, the GOP will in force and destroy the myth ignoring the words of Obama that this is old politics when Obama’s new politics is the same old lies with a new package around it, the use of race, which to the GOP doesn’t concern them because they don’t get much of the Black vote anyhow, and Black’s who will follow Obama’s lies speaks large upon them as to their agenda, which to the GOP won’t matter in the least! But the GOP won’t allow the sort of crap Obama’s camp pulled during the Democrat nominee election season, which is borderline criminal! People in the GE will go to jail for doing Obama’s dirty campaigning stratagy!

  • umm

    I think Blumenthal is wrong. This is textbooks politics.

  • umm

    also in poll done by gallup, the public does have a problem with mccain association with bush

    • ginaswo

      Gallup the brother SD to Uhhbama
      the Gallup who polls videogame players and GOP as likely voters..

      uh hmmm

      not buying…

  • http://Beal Barbara Larsen

    I agree that people generally will not see McCain as Bush III – he has been around way too long for the Obama camp to be successful in defining him according to how they want him to be seen. With McCain, we pretty much know what we are getting.

    Plus, when Obama mocks McCain by saying that McCain wants to have troops in Iraq for 100 yr Obama comes off as petty and foolish – the entire clip was shown enough that most people probably saw it and easily understood what McCain meant. Overall, McCain has always had a pretty good image and the Dems are going to look pretty nasty if they pick on “good old white hair-ed Grandpa” without a just reason.

    I think that the real McCain is going to gradually shake off the crap he had to adopt in order to get the nomination. Then, those of us who want to vote but can’t in good conscience vote for Obama will find that it will get much easier to vote for McCain.

    And that is the big mistake in judgment that the Obama camp is making. They think that rejecting Obama(far Left) and voting for McCain (far Bush-Right) is just too much of a stretch. They think it is totally irrational. But, I see moving from the populist message of Senator Clinton to Senator McCain as a hop, not a huge jump! And that is how Obama will lose and lose dramatically!

  • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

    troll alert ignore Fosbach.

  • Strawberrybitch

    God, these guys are pathetic. At least Bushbots were more interesting. Must be all that Hopium smoking.

  • Margaret

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Your propoganda is so stupid it’s funny. We aren’t Nazi wannabes here, we do this strange thing called T-H-I-N-K-I-N-G. Don’t try it, you may hurt yourself.

  • Tom Plumb

    Right.

    “it’s a slam dunk.”

    Who you gonna call?!

  • Ray Parker Jr.

    Spookbusters?

  • stodghie

    fosbach the only fucxing moron is you. for a troll you really are pathetic.

  • Dora Ratquila

    Amen to that – people like Fosbach, major f_g morons who have the lethal Obama strain of narcolepsy.

  • http://www.gratisnet.com Bobbski

    “McCain is a loser ….a gift sent to the Democratic Party by God himself.”

    Keep saying that. You may even convince yourself.

    McStain will beat your boy like a rented mule, as the saying goes, should he be the nominee.

    Barry Obama?

    What a sick joke.

  • yttik

    Actually no. I’ve been a Democrat my whole life and I still would not call McCain a looser. In fact, he has some redeeming qualities.

    I also would not compare Obama to Carter. Carter also has some redeeming qualities.

    It’s Hillary or McCain as far as I’m concerned. Obama isn’t even qualified to be in the competition.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Praise be and pass the bullshit.

  • workingclass artist

    You are a fool..Clearly….Anyone who is familiar with McCain and his career would not count that man out….

  • http://www.gratisnet.com Bobbski

    “Barack Obama has won.
    Hillary Clinton has lost.

    Those are the facts.”

    Actually, boy, the facts are that no one has won… yet.

    The first delegate has yet to cast their vote and BTW, those pledged delegates can vote their conscience.

  • Dora Ratquila

    I for one cannot wait for the end of the Obama cult. Let Pelosi, McCaskill, Kerry and all the other Hillary/Clinton haters canonize him as a nominee and marvel at his miracle-in-reverse on election night. John McCain will win by a comfortable margin over the Wright/Ayers/Rezko coddler. And Hillary will come out a much stronger candidate in 2012. We have made up our minds. N’Obama. Jamais!

  • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

    Here are the facts FOsbachama, you troll therefore you suck.

    Clearly you need some help entertaining yourself so…

    If you send me your address i will mail you a ball so you can go out and play in traffic.

  • Margaret

    Actually I think what we’re hearing is moron trolls that reek of desperation. If your candidate has won, what are you doing here? LOL.

  • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

    Troll Alert. Ignore Fosbach

  • Tom Plumb

    What in the world does this have to do with the Constitution?

    Speaking of, sparky, you’re sounding a little out of it…

  • Strawberrybitch

    That’s “Pearls before swine” sparky. Oy.

  • Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

    Don’t waste your time then FOsback you troll. STFU and GTFO and go play with your Obama dress up doll.

  • jwrjr

    When you have commented here you have never “talked facts”.

  • ginaswo

    ahhhh but why are you here…

    to quote deliverance?

    squeal like a pig!

    sooooeeeeyyyyy

  • deke

    If you knew the facts you wouldn’t be an Obamabot. You just come here call people names and repeat the drivel that you have been told to right by your fearless leader Axelrove.
    Well if McCain was good enough for Kerry and the DNC in 2004 I guess he is good enough for Democrats in 2008. We all would have worked hard and been proud to vote for a Kerry/McCain ticket in 2004.

  • Tom Plumb

    And if at the very least McCain can show some notion of respect toward the Constitution, and ABIDE by it, he’s beaten the bamster, and his lil crew, hands down.

    But I’m for Clinton, hands down,too.

  • Tom Plumb

    well, yes, and it’s ghost.

    I mean, what if it’s a russian spook, or Chinese or one of those saudis??

    Duh.

    Oh, ask Karl Rove…

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • Obama=Loser

    Hello Fosbach; goodbye Fosbach.

  • Obama_is_Weak

    YAWN … Going to camp soon Fosbach?

  • Margaret

    Strawberrybitch, I love your name! I’m thinking of changing mine to HappyWhiteBitch

  • TeakWoodKite

    Suuuwiiii!!