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A Majority of One: On Losing the Democratic Base

A friend returns from the Colorado Democratic State Convention and announces that she will not support Obama if he’s the nominee. If Obama is losing women like this, I think, he is doomed in November.

This is how she describes the Convention:

I listen to the leaders of our party talk about us all “coming together” when a candidate is chosen, fully understanding now that perhaps it is a forgone conclusion that nominee will be Obama based not on what the people want, but on what the party leaders want.

My friend has been a loyal Democrat for over 30 years. She has lived in Denver and Boulder, and has spent her life committed to progressive causes and equality. I am stunned when she tells me she can’t support Obama. This is a voice the super delegates need to hear, I think. I ask her to give me a brief biography. Here’s how she describes herself:

49 year old white female…Lived in Colorado for 21 years. In a committed relationship for nine years. Veteran of the US Army. Undergraduate degree in Sociology. Police officer for 13 years. Currently employed as a criminal investigator. Prior to that, worked as a volunteer, counselor, management in domestic violence shelters. Have also previously worked in the education field at the collegiate level for three different colleges/universities. I consider myself a Democrat and have primarily voted for Democratic candidates since I began voting at the age of 18…Very patriotic, believe it is my right and responsibility to vote.

It is one thing for on-line activists to write posts saying we’re not supporting Obama; we’ve been abused, cursed, and banned from every progressive site but a handful. It’s another thing for a progressive like my friend to say she can’t support Obama:

I have given a lot of thought to whether or not I could support Obama for president and the truth is, I can’t. I don’t believe he is the right candidate. I don’t believe he can make the right changes and the immediate impact the Clinton can and I don’t believe that those supporting Clinton will vote for him. He has not been able to tell me what he will do, only “yes we can,” chanted over and over again by his supporters who when questioned cannot tell me why they support him. This is not about race and it is not about gender. It is about who is the right person for the job.

Powerful words spoken honestly. I could see that it pained her to say that she couldn’t support Obama; she knows she will be contributing to a likely McCain presidency. But at some point over these months there was a deal-breaker for her. Perhaps it was Obama smearing the Clintons as racists, or his silence on the rampant sexism, or Obama refusing to be photographed with San Fransisco Mayor Newsom. Maybe it was when Obama crudely equated Geraldine Ferraro’s under-the-radar comment with 20 years of hate sermons by his pastor, maybe it was bitter-gate and Obama’s elitist attitude, maybe it was Ayers, Dohrn, and Rezko. It might have been disgust at the media’s relentlessly biased reporting. Perhaps there was no one deal-breaker and it was cumulative.

The primary reason so many of us cannot support Obama, I believe, is our disappoint and disgust at the Democratic Party’s utter incompetence with the primary schedule. In the mind of Hillary supporters there is an alternate sequence of events: last summer Howard Dean finds a way for Florida and Michigan to vote and for their votes to be counted. Hillary wins those states handily and takes on a huge delegate lead. That lead propels her to other victories and the nomination.

But instead we’re stuck in Al Gore’s Twilight Zone, a place where the popular vote winner and better candidate is asked to give up what should rightfully be hers. Taylor Marsh writes about Clinton supporters in general but she could be talking about my friend specifically:

Clinton’s supporters don’t understand why the woman with the big vote total is being pushed out. Brokering a nominee who refuses to count Michigan and Florida is not their idea of democracy from the Democratic Party, which they’ve supported for decades. Barack Obama stands for everything they’ve come to loathe this primary season, the sexism, his silence about it, his own complicity in it, the disrespect of Senator Clinton, the list is indelibly marked in each Clinton supporter’s brain.

One voice can be dismissed as an anomaly. My experience from talking to other Hillary supporters, however, is that my friend represents many, many Democrats and the polling supports mass defections if Obama is nominated. We will not be blackmailed into voting for a candidate whose campaign tactics we despise and for a Party who has failed us.

  • hillarysmygirl

    Thanks, Bud! I don’t know that I can be a “good little girl” and step in line with the Democratic Party in November if Sweetie is the nominee either.

    On a positive note…I just Just found out Reverend Wright will be speaking at a forum in Philadelphia, May 28-29, right before the DNC Rules Meeting. Is it my birthday? :)

    • Emily Pickett

      Glad I’m leaving town – yes, I’m from the Philly area.

    • tzada

      May 22 (Bloomberg) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said women won’t suffer a “step back” if Democrat Hillary Clinton loses her presidential bid, and rejected the idea of sexism in the presidential campaign.
      Pelosi, 68, said the Democrats’ delegate-selection process, not the popular vote, will determine whether Illinois Senator Barack Obama or Clinton wins the party’s nomination this year.
      “The person who has the most delegates becomes the nominee of the party,” Pelosi said. “It’s not been about the popular vote.”
      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aPwXyHat6x9A

      • morris1030

        Pelosi showed her incompetence today when the tacked on addenda to armed forces bill just voted on in dead of night without advising GOP senate members that was voted in…but guess what???

        It was put on the wrong paper, sent to the printer incorrectly, and therefore NOT printed on as an add on to the bill. It was left OUT! The Democrats now highly embarrassed will have to revote on the entire mess AGAIN, AT A COST TO TAXPAYERS AND FINALLY will have to allow GOP members an opportunity to read it and vote on it. So their attempt at sneaking in their add- on has to be revoted and now given to GOP to see.

        Pelosi was tittering with embarrassment when she heard about this debacle. This entire debacle reeks of incompetence and chutspah.

        So this is the lady who keeps talking about DELEGATES and ROOLZ.

      • morris1030

        Someone should tell Pelosi that in the General Election it’s all about the voters.

        The Voters decide the Electoral College votes and select the President. Pelosi’s ridiculous spin is a set up for Obama plain and simple as Pelosi can not keep her Speaker’s spot WITHOUT the Black Caucus.

        Pelosi is terrified of Black Caucus as much as she loathes and fears Clinton power. Why? Hillary cannot be controlled by the party nitwits Dean,Pelosi,Kerry,Kenned, et al. Obama will play ball, and this insures Pelosi’s power.

        This is a concerted effort to continue disinfranchising primary voters in Fla/Mi.

        Donna Brazille, the other henchwoman in this deal is supposed to remain neutral until the convention as a paid official of the DNC that represents ALL democratic primary voters on both sides. She has worked behind the scene to challemge Clinton Supers and on CNN has played both sides so as to appear neutral.

        That is until last week when she dissembled on TV when challenged about this and said the Party doesn’t need Latinos, older voters who are not the future of the party, and women. They’ll come around, or we don’t need them. She lost her cool and therein lies the story about Fla/Mi as she continued to use the word ROOLZ incessantly.

        Pelosi is a loser.

      • mimi

        Well I guess Nancy Pelosi is having a Senior moment like Mcain, because I distinctly remember hearing her say that the person with the popular vote would be the nominee. It had to in a CNN interview in March. I’m going to see if I can find it.

        Pelosi is on crack. I have absolutely no use for her. It almost makes me want Democrats to lose the House.

        I despise these people.

  • http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com TexasDarlin

    Bud, I feel at once sadness yet empathy for your friend, as she speaks for millions. We are witnessing the tyranny of a ruling class which is intent on tearing down and casting aside anyone named Clinton — party and country be damned. I too am a lifelong patriotic Democrat, but now must place principle above loyalty to party. I truly believe that the USA will be at risk under an Obama presidency. I would rather endure McCain, who at minimum does not view himself as super-human.

    • Follow Hillary’s lead.

      So you’re saying Hillary’s commitment to support & campaign for Obama (if he’s the nominee) is unprincipled?

      If Hillary can support Obama, her true supporters should be able to as well.

      Those who won’t never shared Hillary’s values or vision to begin with.

      We’ll win without you anyway.

      • OhVoter

        Don’t you understand? It is Obama supporters like you who have helped seal the deal. You and your candidate and the DNC should be VERY worried!

      • Kara

        It doesn’t take a math wiz to figure out that you’re off by a few million votes when you “don’t need” women, white people, Jews, Hispanics, Asians, Catholics, PA, OH, WV…and all the bitter, gun-totin’ bigots everywhere in between. Good luck with that, sonny. You’re gonna need it.

      • PAN230

        There would be something at work in Clinton’s support of Barack Obama (should he be given the Presidential nomination) that most Obama supporters wouldn’t recognize — a commitment to the Democratic Party and to the people in it, as well as a commitment to something beyond her own universe and personal agenda. She can control what she does, she has no right to control what any of her supporters do. She can ask us – but she knows that Obama will have to win us over on his own merits.

      • a nancy in name only

        my instinctive reply to you was FU, but I stopped myself before I spelled it out.

        Hillary is a loyal Democrat and has promised to help elect whoever the nominee is, no matter how hopeless his attempt, I am a woman who has seen far too many more able women step aside for a lesser man and I’ll be dammed if I’ll vote for a man who would accept that.

        Here’s why it will be fine to do so: the dems are set to take control of both house and senate, so
        McCain won’t be too bad.

      • rjj

        She is obligated to do it. I’m not.

        • workingclass artist

          Ditto….I refuse to vote for Obama and his new Demofascist Party….
          And I will not Support The Demogliarchy in this Fraud….Never….
          Good Post Bud…

      • Northwest rain

        Keep showing up Obama-sh*t heads! Thanks for all your efforts to remind us why we will NEVER vote for snObama.

        Keep up the good work.

      • tzada

        haha by hook or by crook eh>

      • http://fly flyarm

        follow hillary’s lead..you pompus ass..it is people just like you that are making sure i will never vote for Obama..Hillary has no choice to say what she is saying..but i sure as hell have a choice..and i will surely use my choice in November!

        and it won’t be for Obama..that deal is a done deal for me!

        fly a lifelong dem ..and a 2004 elected Dem delegate for the State of Florida

        ahemmm..it is Obama and his surrogates that stole my vote..and you can take to the bank that i will never vote for that arrogant liar and cheat!

      • mimi

        You’re damn right, you’ll have to:

        WIN WITHOUT ME!!!!

      • stxabuela

        Per Follow Hillary’s lead: “We’ll win without you anyway.”

        Believe me, sweetie, you’ll have to win without me, because I will NEVER vote for BHO. I’m 54–I was an ardent supporter of McGovern the first time I voted in ’72, and we can all see how well THAT turned out. As a matter of fact, the super-delegates were created as a DIRECT RESULT of the McGovern debacle. I learned my lesson then. In 1976, a sincere gentleman flashed a million dollar smile and drawled, “I’ll never lie to you.” Every time I saw him, I wanted to vote for him–twice. By then, I was 22, older and wiser, and I supported Mo Udall instead of Jimmy Carter. In a year much like 2008, when a canned ham could have beaten Gerald Ford, Carter took the nomination, and was elected. Unfortunately, Carter brought along the “Georgia Mafia,” who had no idea how to handle DC politics, which led to 12 lloonngg years of Republican presidents. I supported Harkin over Bill Clinton in 1992, because I feared Clinton lacked the experience necessary to lead the country. Although Clinton was to the right of me politically, I grew to admire his tenacity and grasp of what the majority of Americans believed. And what a campaigner Bill Clinton was! The “Comeback Kid!” You have to admire someone who overcame seemingly impossible odds.

        Fast forward to 2008, when it again seems a canned ham could beat McCain. I was originally an Edwards supporter, but when he dropped out, I looked at nothing but issues and experience. For me, Hillary won it hands down. I live in S TX, and I was working at the local Democratic Party headquarters, when ObamaNation moved into the vacant office next door. After watching Team O’s sleazy, slimy campaign for a month, I decided I would NEVER vote for a candidate that encouraged such blatantly illegal tactics. I saw Team O hand out caucus sign-in sheets early; I saw them encourage out-of-town groupies to invade and take over local caucuses; I was personally threatened with lawsuits by out-of-state lawyers (I was the person responsible for delivering precinct caucus packages to each polling place, and Team O was horrified when they discovered that I had given specific instructions to election judges NOT to release the caucus packets prior to 7 pm.) Between the precinct and county conventions, I saw Obama supporters volunteer to “help” input names of convention delegates into a database, and then intentionally input incorrect names, in order to cause as much chaos as possible at the county convention. Fortunately, we caught the problem in time, but it delayed getting the correct list out for so long that we could not mail postcards to the delegates to remind them of the date and time of the convention.

        I have resigned from my position with the local Democratic Party, and I WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, should he be the Democratic nominee. I cannot support a candidate who runs a dishonest, bullying campaign. Right now, I am leaning toward voting for the Green Party candidate, since Texas law does not count write-in votes unless a candidate has filed paperwork with the Secretary of State. Don’t tell me I’m not a true supporter of Hillary unless I do everything she tells me to do. I’ve seen the irreparable damage done by brain-dead Obama groupies up close and personal.

        Go away.

        • so saddened

          stxabuela, as a fellow texan, i am sorry to see you out of your position, because we desperately need honest people like you. but i completely understand why you had to do it.

          i find it hard to swallow that we have the ludicrous two-step system in the first place. i also despise the system of allocating more delegates to certain areas based on prior elections, – although i understand that turnout should be rewarded in some way, it seems to me that a vote should be a vote. period. but no matter what idiotic system we have, it should be run honestly. and this year the obamanazis made sure that did not happen.

          thanks for fighting the good fight.

      • fran

        I guess you don’t know how to count. Get out your calculator and add up the many, many little states Obama has won in ELECTORAL VOTES. Now, add up John McCain’s. There are plenty of maps out there right now that clarify this, and they all illustrate the same thing: FAILURE. And this is before the Republicans have even started the annihilation.

        And as far as “following Hillary’s lead” (as if we’d ever consider it coming from an Obamazoid) the difference between Hillary supporters and Obama cultists is that we are actually independent thinkers. We actually study the candidates’ positions, policies, records, and biographies. Then, we decide who is MOST QUALIFIED. We don’t follow along like mindless drones. As much as I respect and have confidence in Hillary, I “follow” my own guidance, and every instinct and ounce of integrity I have makes it impossible to vote for this fraud and enable the dysfunctional Dem Party.

        Country before Party. This is about true democracy and principle, beyond a single presidential cycle. I will continue to support Hillary in whatever role she plays–independently.

      • street_parade

        Quite frankly sweetie, your candidate is so flawed (lacks energy, lacks focus, too weak, more baggage than a socialite on a world cruise) you won’t be able to win with or without us. When everything is said and done about 36 million (mostly Democrats) will have voted in the primaries and caucuses. The general will have over 100 million voters.

        BO has big problems with 1/2 of the most liberal part of the electorate (people who vote in Democratic primaries). You can huff and puff all you want about WV, KY, OH, PA, and on and on, but those folks are DEMOCRATS and they are NOT racist. The racists decamped for the Republican party 2 generations ago. If your guy gets to the general he is going to come up against the other nearly 2/3 of the electorate who are A LOT less liberal then the Democrats he has failed to reach so far.

        It only gets harder from here and there are neither caucuses nor proportional representation in the general. Its 50 state elections….WINNER TAKE ALL.

      • nc4hillary

        Barack doomed to fail.
        Possibility of a loss of catastrophic proportions.
        Could knock Pelosi off her perch.

    • Lute

      A vote for Obama means all of his corrupt, strong-arming, race driven tactics work just fine, and we will be seeing even more of it in the next primary.
      IT HAS TO STOP.
      THIS IS NOT WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT.

      Anyone shrugging and going along with this guy is condoning tyranny.

      • workingclass artist

        ” I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of Tyranny over the mind of Man….” Thomas Jefferson

  • Hilary4HRC

    Hi — I’m a 48 year old woman who completely agrees with your friend. I couldn’t put my finger on it — the right word — but reading your take on your friend’s attitude, you used it: DEALBREAKER!!

    Each of the women I know who liked Hillary at the beginning and are in AWE of her now reached a point with BO that became a dealbreaker. My sister hasn’t reached it yet. My other sister and I have. His SILENCE on her treatment, and his condescending attitude. Somewhere along the line he became repugnant to me and now I unequivocally will absolutely NEVER vote for him.

  • Ellen Tenn

    Wow! I wish I could have said that as well. I feel exactly the same way as your friend. I’m hurt and disappointed in the DNC and I will not be bullied into voting for a man who has done nothing to win my vote.

  • so saddened

    good article, bud.

    am a proud texan who will be voting for mccain if obaby is nominated, my vote won’t matter all that much, since texas is a red state anyway. to me, it’s a matter of principle. but when he starts losing coloradans (correct term?), one of those states he thinks he can convert, it says a lot.

    hillary or mccain. no other option.

  • Donkey Brazziere

    44 Male …Dem since 81….Will not vote OBAMA.

  • CoYoungDem

    Your friend’s reaction is similar to mine. It is no anomaly. I am a young progressive activist (also from Colorado) who has considered herself a Yellow Dog dem since birth, practically. But I can’t vote for Sen. Obama. For all the reasons you listed, but especially if he doesn’t welcome Hillary on the ticket with open arms. Anything less than VP is more than a slap in the face, he might as well tell her to sit down and shut up. They can scream SCOTUS until their heads explode – if they really cared about SCOTUS, they’d care about Obama’s significant electoral college weaknesses. I cannot vote for a man who (through his campaign) has told me I am racist for not supporting him, I am not a real progressive for supporting him and has drug the most inspriring female politician in American history through the mud. Calling her “likable enough” was one thing, but then strategically calling her out for having “political ambition” and that “she will do anything to win” is UNFORGIVABLE. Ripping a woman for having ambition is blatantly sexist, expecially since nobody is concerned about Sen. Obama’s obvious political drive. And don’t get me started on what they’ve done to Geraldine Ferraro…

    I wanted to be able to support Obama… but I just can’t do it.

    • so saddened

      can’t go along with obaby even if hillary’s the vp. obaby and michelle would just use her to get her supporters to vote for him, then make sure to humiliate her as much as possible every day for their 4 or 8 years and make sure any future political career for her was ruined.

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

      • http://fly flyarm

        i agree Saddened..i can not vote for obama even if Hillary is on the ticket as VP..that will never get my vote.. as he would neuter her and humiliate her every way he could….no way no how..i have seen enough of this pompus ass to last me a lifetime!

        As a 33 yr flight crew of one of the Airlines involved on 9/11 i can not in any consiousness vote for this man ..he would be a disaster for this Nation’s national security..of that i have not one ounce of doubt…haven’t we had enough of an idiot for the past 8 years..why do we need another?????????

        no way no how!

        I will vote McCain if Obama steals the nomination with the help of the DNC!

        fly

  • Cindie

    The DNC, Main Stream Media and Pundits, and Obama Supporters and Super Delegates.
    It seems to me that you hear what you want to hear and you see what you
    want to see, but let me be extremely clear on what has gone on during
    this primary season and what will happen after it is over.
    First of all to the Obama voters, I cannot speak for the White Obama
    voters someone else would have to speak to them. However, I can speak
    to the African American Voters because I am an African American. It is
    easy for you to try to justify 90-92% of you voting for Obama, but the
    truth is the truth. You are voting for Obama simply because he is an
    African American. Let me ask you a question. How many of you did what I
    did and researched both candidates equally; How many of you pulled down
    the policy and voting records and evaluated them against each other?
    How many of you sat down and thought about the things that are
    affecting you on a daily basis and then took a good solid look at both
    candidates and made a decision? How many of you, if your life or the
    life or your children depended on it, can easily list two or three
    bills that Obama has voted on or written? How many of you know his
    stance on Healthcare, the Economy, and Education? If your life depended
    on it right now today, how many of you know exactly what Barack Obama
    stands for. How many of you know what the change is that he has
    promised? If your life depended on it could you explain what the Change
    actually is? I say this because I find it offensive that my own
    friends, family members and co-workers choose to call me a sell out
    because I am a Hillary Clinton Supporter and I simply say to them, I am
    not interested in making History. I am interested in the future of this
    country that my nine year old child will grow up in, period. I have
    done the homework. I have made a decision and I am sticking to it. It
    offends me even more when fellow African Americans feel that it is ok
    to walk up to me on the street or at my Childs school and say to me,
    ’so do you think he is gonna do it? Do you think Obama is going to
    win’? What makes them think first of all that I am an Obama Supporter;
    and when I tell them I am not, why do they have the audacity to say to
    me, ‘come on sister we owe it to him’. How can you just assume because
    I am an African American that I will automatically vote for Barack
    Obama?. Ask yourselves the tough questions. Step back and take a good
    look at yourselves and see what you come up with. To those supporters
    who have been so vile and disrespectful to Senator Clinton, you are the
    reason why the party is being torn apart and it shows your lack of
    knowledge in what your candidate stands for, because according to him,
    he is the great unifier. But his followers seem to be the great
    dividers. All you have to do is take a look at the blogs. Debating the
    issues is one thing, but vile personal attacks and nasty rhetoric is a
    sign of the characters of those who support him. This says to me that
    if he were to be elected to office, you would not hold him accountable.
    You would continue to bury your heads in the sand. How can you Unify a
    country when you continue to use the Race Card. Everytime someone
    disagrees with Senator Obama, they are labeled racist. His
    Administration would be mired in constant back and forth about race. If
    you do not agree or you speak out against him, you will be considered
    racist. This is the type of White House we would have and nothing would
    get done.
    To Senator Obama: Your arrogance is not becoming. The way that you talk
    down to people is not attractive. You are asking us to put you in
    charge of the people of the United States of America, yet you act as if
    you are Superior to us. You take us for fools, by expecting us to
    believe that you had no knowledge of what your Pastor was preaching for
    20 years. You expect us to believe that you and your campaign did not
    inject race into this campaign, but those of us who viewed this primary
    with clear open eyes, know what you have done and we will have our
    voices heard in November. It is not your race, take it from me I am a
    sister, it is your lack of substance and your inability to come up with
    your own views and your own policies, and we will be heard in November.
    You are supposed to be a Uniter, but you have caused more division in
    this country than I have seen in the past 30 years.
    To Senator Clinton: I support you 150%; I know in my heart of hearts
    that you are truly a champion for the people. I have known your work. I
    have researched your policies and I have watched you during this
    campaign. In times of trouble you are the one that I would want to have
    my back because I know that you would go down fighting for us. Thank
    you for your body of work for the American People, although it may not
    feel as though they appreciate it right now. Those children that have
    healthcare because of you Thank you; those women that are able to spend
    time with their children after their birth; or those children who are
    able to take time off work to take care of their elderly parents,
    without fear of losing their jobs due to your hard work on FMLA Thank
    you. The people of New York Thank you. This country is lucky to have a
    fighter like you, although they do not deserve it. Thank you for your
    brilliance.
    To the Main Stream Media and Pundits, you chose to praise this unknown
    man without thoroughly vetting him and now it is too late. You, I hope,
    will take full responsibility for this when he tanks this country. You
    all do not even have the common decency to act as if you are trying to
    be fair and balanced. Chris Matthews cannot stop salivating over Obama;
    Tim Russett seems as if he gets angry every time Hillary wins, his eyes
    just bug out of his head. It is a sad thing for me to say that I have
    gotten all of my fair and balanced news from Fox News Network, which is
    totally unbelievable. You have assailed Hillary Clinton and tried to
    make a Mockery out of Bill Clinton. You along with Barack Obama and his
    camp, have made the case that Bill Clinton is somehow a Racist because
    he said something that was totally true. Because of your dislike for
    the Clintons, you have trashed them constantly. and you are the ones
    who started the whole ‘The Clintons’. I do not see the name Bill
    Clinton on the ballot. It is totally disrespectful the way that you
    have treated President Clinton and Senator Clinton; absolutely no
    respect. You have failed the American People and it will come back to
    haunt you; let me see you spin the disaster which is Barack Obama.
    To the DNC: For 22 years I have been a loyal member of this party, a
    party that I thought was the party of the people. But I now see that
    you all are nothing but the good old boys club. You have totally thrown
    Senator Clinton under the bus. Someone who has been loyal to this party
    and fought for this party; someone who has shown so much strength and
    passion for the people, because you cannot break away from the good old
    boys club. It took this long Primary season to see just how flawed and
    undemocratic your system really is. First of all you penalize the
    American People, the voters, for what their legislators did. You did
    not have the common sense to say, ‘ok we will fine the Michigan and
    Florida Democratic Party monetarily for moving up their primaries’. No,
    you chose to take away their right to have their votes counted. How
    undemocratic is that at a time when we have soldiers coming home in
    body bags because they are fighting in a country to give others the
    right to simply vote. Yes the candidates agreed, but why should they
    have had to in the first place. No one had the common sense to say that
    we cannot disenfranchise millions of Americans? You have a system where
    someone can win an entire state and come out with only 10 or 13
    delegates more that the person that lost. How is that Democratic? That
    means that the notion of one man one vote is not the what this party
    runs off of. You have a system of Caucuses, which does not allow for
    elderly and hardworking Americans to participate in; is that
    democratic?, You put Super Delegates in place to make decisions and
    vote how they want to, but mid game because it does not benefit the
    candidate that you want, you strong arm them into voting how you want
    them to vote. This is the party of the people? You have a system where
    you have a number of 2025 delegates and neither candidate has reached
    that mark; but you declare a winner and then the good old boy network
    decides that they will come out in droves to back him up, even though
    millions have not voted. So then you are saying that the Super
    Delegates make the decisions? Which is it?
    To the Super Delegates: There is something to be said about Character
    and what I have seen in the last couple of months has no signs of it.
    For those of you who backed Hillary Clinton in the beginning and then
    felt it necessary to throw her under the bus when she was behind in the
    delegate count or was being declared down and out by the pundits, you
    are the reason why the Democratic Party is divided; those types of
    antics are unprofessional and disingenuous. It is one of two things:
    You were backing her because you thought she would win, or; You backed
    her because you believed in her candidacy, her policies and what she
    stood for. If it was the latter, no matter what the numbers said or
    what the Pundits said, you would stick with her. It is called courage
    and conviction, something that her true supporters have shown. For
    those African American Super Delegates who have been threatened and
    brow beaten by your fellow African American Colleagues, Talk Radio and
    constituents, thank you for having a back bone and standing up for what
    you believe in. That is what true Character is all about. I suspect
    that the turn coats will hear from their constituents in the future.
    Jumping on the winning bandwagon does not take any effort, but standing
    firm to your convictions takes everything.
    What will happen next? The Pundits, the DNC, and Barack Obama
    Supporters have all said, ‘Oh people are just saying that they will
    vote for McCain or stay home in November, but that will not happen. The
    party will come together’. Understand this loud and clear. We did not
    vote for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman. We did not vote for
    Hillary Clinton because she is White We voted for Hillary Clinton
    because we felt that she was the best person for the job and that she
    would fight for the people of this country. We did not vote against
    Barack Obama because he is Black or he is a Man. We voted against him
    because we felt that he was not the right person for the Job. We felt
    that he is not experienced enough; We felt that he was not honest about
    the way that he feels about this country; We felt that he has no
    substance; We felt that he gives great speeches, but has not backed
    them up; We felt that he gets defense when he is questioned about his
    policies and his way of thinking. What makes you think that that has or
    will change? We will Not vote for Barack Obama. We will take our
    chances with John McCain because at least we know that he loves this
    country without a doubt. At least we know that he has the National
    Security background in the event of any issue; At least we know that he
    has a record of reaching across the aisle, even at the dismay of his
    party. We know absolutely nothing about Barack Obama. We will not vote
    for him no matter how you wave it off or dismiss what we would or would
    not do. It will not happen. Common sense tells us that in the next four
    years nothing but clean up will take place. I will take my chances with
    someone that I know where he is coming from (McCain), as opposed to
    someone who has shown no substance and only the promise of Change in
    Washington (Obama). Obama? who is supported by all of the very
    Washington Insiders that he chastises, Obama? who will be so indebted
    to the old Washington Insiders he will not know which way is up. Now
    you ponder that. Pundits, say what you must for ratings and see what
    happens in November. And by the way, if and when Hillary Clinton gives
    her Concession speech, it will be the last time that we will watch the
    mainstream media again until election night. No convention, no
    commentary, no Sunday shows. We are not interested in the Dog and Pony
    show that the Democrats will make Hillary Clinton perform for the so
    called good of the party, after the party turned their backs on her. We
    love Hillary, but we will not vote for Obama because she said so. We
    are not robots and we will not drink the Kool-Aid. Keep this in the
    bank until Election day.
    Sincerely,
    An Ex-Democratic Voter,

    Marla Jo

    • Bill

      liar.

      You aren’t black, and the desperation necessary to pretend you are is revealing.

      Black people we’re never chastised for automatically voting dem year in year out, and NO African American would pretend to not understand or accept that we would support an AA candidate just as automatically.

      You pretenders are being outed because you buy the claptrap susan is peddling that compares white people not voting for the black candidate with black people voting for the black candidate.

      She calls them both racist.

      Any self respecting black person knows this is a false equivalence on many fronts.

      If she were to argue women voting for a woman = black voting for blacks she might have a point.

      If she had exit polls that showed AA voters didn’t vote for clinton because she was white, she might have a point.

      Anyone using these arguments is a fraud.

      • Tom Plumb

        It’s like being in a roomful of farting doughnuts, I swear, you just can’t stop yourself, or understand the conversation, can you, down low?

      • http://liberalrapture.com scott

        There are not exit polls that ask AA’s if race played an issue in their voting choice. That would be racist.

      • beebop

        Too bad you can’t simply honor a differenc of opinion. You can’t shove him down our unwilling throats. Get it?

      • sisterdo

        Bill,

        You are repulsive. Go to Hades. This thoughtful impassioned response rang true to me and it’s a journey out the door of the party that would be this hateful that is shared by millions.

        That story, is close to my story with variations.

        So, give it a rest. Obama’s record as anything, let alone a leader in the AA community is nonexistent and less than zero at the national level. Some of us have done our research, made our choice, and have found it offensive that race baiting, gender baiting, hate speech and whipping up tensions that are in the middle of setting this country decades backward for one person with no resume’s raw ambitions.

        So…..go bait elsewhere.

        But thanks to Cindie for telling your tale. It figures an Obamabot would try to discourage you from doing so.

        The Obamabots are one of the reasons I will never, ever support this fraud Obama. But the other reason is Obama. And he only got worse upon further inspection.

      • anna shane

        Of course African Americans will vote for the first credible presidential candidate of color, and of course it’s not because of racism. It’s the white voters that his racism card appealed to, which gave some a chance to turn away from HIllary, even though she’d done the most to prepare for the job and was far better qualified, and feel high on themselves and superior, and as with the former point, black voters recognize this too. And, how many times has some new immigrant group used not-being-black to get ahead in line. If Barack has used misogyny to as a way of overcoming race and if by doing so he’s been able to compete, it would have a ring of justice, it’s always the one below you that you can use to distract voters from ones own shortcomings, to identify by finding a common enemy, and this is the first time it’s used to advantage the black job seeker. He chose wrong with girls though, he played to his hillary hating base too long, and now he’s stuck with them. The only way he has a hope of making his run in a way that I’ll see as legitimate is to stop it, he’s ahead in the delegate vote, he’s come very far on misogyny, like many before him went far on racism, but he’s going to have to show some humility, and he’s going to have to show some empathy and some better judgement. If he’s not stupid he’ll now agree to seat Florida and Michigan and he’ll announce to all that if he’s the nom she’ll be his first choice for vice president. He’ll need to be bigger than he is. They say the job sometimes makes the man, but he’ll have to be that man before the GE, because he won’t get another chance.

      • workingclass artist

        ” Thought, like all potent weapons, is exceedingly dangerous if mishandled….Clear thinking is therefore desirable not only in order to develop the full potentialities of the mind…But also to avoid disaster…”
        Giles St. Aubyn The Art of Argument

        Been an active Democrat since 1979….Now I am a REFUSNIK !
        I REFUSE TO VOTE DEMOCRAT UNTIL THE DEMOGLIARCHY THAT ARE DESTROYING THE PART BUILT BY FDR ARE REMOVED FROM OFFICE AND THE PARTY REGAINS SOME SANITY….AND REPRESENTS ALL IT’S MEMBERS

        *** DOWN ! WITH DONNA PUTIN’S NEW DEMOFASCIST PARTY ! ***

    • dpvegas

      Excellent!

      We (my husband and I) are another two votes for McCain in November if B.O. is on the ticket. And no, we won’t vote for HIM even if Sen. Clinton is on as the VP (so I’m really, really hoping that he doesn’t ask her).

      I didn’t know much about B.O. until January, when we had our caucus here in Nevada and boy, was that an eye opener. I started doing the research, and the more I’ve read about B.O., the more alarmed I am. And my husband, retired military, is much more against him, as he’s heard and read some extremely disturbing things about B.O.

      I keep coming to sites like these, as it’s nice to know that there are other like-minded individuals in this great country of ours, that both my husband and I have supported (I’m a Vet, too).

      It’s country first for us, so like others have said, Hillary or McCain.

    • beebop

      Mary Jo:

      The only good thing about the MSM turning against her to the extent that they have driven us to the blogs is that without their “help,” I would never have read your moving and thoughtful, empassioned post.

      You rock. Your friends should be proud to know you.

    • Kara

      What an absolutely WONDERFUL post.

    • http://www.marcysmutiny.blogspot.com/ MessyMarcy

      Thank you for this wonderful, heartfelt comment. Your frustration at what is being done to Hillary Clinton, we who support her, and the party itself is shared by my family; and we will also be taking our chances with McCain if cooler heads don’t prevail at the DNC to give the qualified, electable Clinton the nomination that the majority of Democratic voters has said should be hers.

    • mimi

      Okay people,

      The above letter was posted on the abc blog website this past weekend and signed by someone named Kim. It was removed and I don’t know if this was the first place it appeared. Someone over at http://www.savagepolitics.com copied and pasted it over there in the comments section this weekend.

      Whoever posted it above, removed Kim’s name and added Marla Jo. I can’t vouch for the veracity of the person above or if the original poster was in fact Kim or even AA.

      But I can vouch for myself since I’ve been AA all my life. It’s a long letter, and certainly some of it resonates with me. I am a Hillary supporter and will not support Obama. I’ve posted my reasons on this site so many times and it’s getting to be tiresome. But in a nutshell:

      Universal Health Care – deal breaker for me.

      Irresponsible playing of the race card just to get elected has now threatened the real issue of racism.

      Misogyny, sexism and unapologetic about it.

      The DNC, MSM manipulating the Primary to Obama’s advantage and ultimately disenfranchising MI & FL.

      Inexperience with Foreign Policy proven by not holding one meeting as Chair of his Foreign Policy/Nato subcommitte. He missed a HUGE opportunity there and for some reason no one thinks it’s significant. Sorry, but I do.

      Wright/Farrakahn not an issue for me, I hear this kind of rhetoric daily, but Wright in conjunction with Ayres, Dohrn, Meeks, Rezko, Auchi – little bit too many types that are questionable. If anything it makes me question his judgement since he had national political ambitions. He could have remained a State Senator and swapped spit with all of these people on a daily basis. No can do as a candidate for POTUS.

      Obama’s supporters- absolute deal breakers for me. Like Bill above questioning someone’s negritude with such absolute self-righteous indignation as if he knows the AA community better than most black people. It’s this kind of sudden sickly sweet concern for racism that I find vomitous. It’s offensive and has pissed me off to no end. The sexism from his supporters and overall nastiness and arrogance bordering on superiority. EVERYTIME AN OBAMA SUPPORTER PUKES OUT THEIR SUPERIOR SNARK IT STRENGTHENS MY RESOLVE TO NOT SUPPORT OBAMA. That they are in fact too stupid to realize this and can’t refrain from keeping their mouths shut, begs the question, why on earth would anyone want Barack Obama as president with supporters like these? And for that reason alone.

      Whoever posted the letter above should be ashamed for not attributing the source. You can follow this link http://savagepolitics.com/?p=430#comments which is where I first read it.

      But whoever authored it, I can vouch for the fact that there’s a lot of accuracy in it. Fuck what Bill thinks.

      I’m living for the day when the AA community finds out that they (not me because I’ve known from the get-go) that they have been had.

      • BlackmanNot4Obama

        my exact reasons as well. His supporters are the biggest turn off.
        I too am patiently waiting for when all the black people realize they have been victims of the great con!

    • Denise-Mary

      This very long letter, originally signed by “Kim,” first appeared about a week ago on ABC. I posted the link on SavagePolitics.com. Within a few hours, ABC had removed the letter. Fortunately, a number of people copied and pasted the letter elsewhere, sending it out to dozens of recipients. It would be courteous if people posting the letter used the author’s name, giving her due credit.

  • Bill

    i have an idea…. why don’t you all start your own party and try and picking off the disaffected repugs unwilling to vote mcsame.

    do something useful.

    Money shouldn’t be a problem.

    • Tom Plumb

      Have you read the Andrew Sullivan and Josh Marshall threads, yet?

      Get the picture?

    • beebop

      I was a Democrat long before your daddy lied to your momma and told he loved her …. you start your own party dickweed. We happened to work really hard for this one.

      • Kara

        beebop you crack me up – go sister/brother go!

      • http://fly flyarm

        looks like it is bill’s “obama shift” time period..watch these jerks they come on in shifts…they are so damn transparent just like the asshole they work for!!

        If Obama was such a sure thing Billllllllllllll

        why does he have to pay you to come here ..on your shift..and annoy us????????????

        Because one thing is for damn sure..you are making no friends for obama here…..no siree..all you assholes… only cement my resolve to never ever ever vote for that cheater and arrogant liar.

        fly

    • Jonna

      Bill, you are so funny. Keep it up…John McCain thanks you.

      Actually, John McCain is a very good second choice. He likes Hillary a lot. Many conservatives, including David Brooks, have said this many times. He has an excellent moderate record, he is always respectful to women possibly from his Navy training but possibly because he does respect women. McCain has promised to appoint many Democrats to his cabinet and administration. I wouldn’t be surprised if he appoints a few Hillary Democrats.

      Actually, the Republicans need the influence from the Hillary Democrats. Their party has been bankrupt for at least 10 years with undue influence from right-wing evangelicals. Many Republicans, like Mitch Edwards, have been imploring party leaders to stop pandering to the religious right and re-learn the meaning of conservatism as mostly defined from Goldwater.

      Actually, Hillary started out as a Goldwater Girl. Seems to me Hillary Democrats, some of which are considered conservative Democrats and some of which are Reagan Democrats could easily and comfortably support McCain.

      McCain is a good one to vote for as well as to support. He is no McSame…that’s just silly…he’s no McBush…they don’t even like each other. According to Bill Cunningham, he will govern as a liberal.

      Actually, concerning the money, I just read that McCain and the RNC outraised Obama and the DNC in April. Sounds like McCain is ramping up.

      If I can’t have Hillary, then I’ll take McCain any day of the week.

      • Mary

        So will I.

        And frankly, if John Kerry thought John McCain was a decent enough guy to ask him to be his running mate in 2004, than that must mean he’s worthy of my vote in 2008.

        Thanks for the recommendation, Kerry.

  • http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/obamas-super-delegates-money-machine.html Buying an Election

    Who are the Super delegates? Elected Congressmen & Congresswomen, Governors, State Party Officials, Former High Ranking Party Officials, and State-level congressional leaders.

    Despite all of the early talk about these leaders voting with the people, it is surprising how many of them have not. For Instance Below is the list of House Members, Senators, and Governors not voting along the lines of their constituents, along with any recorded contributions from Clinton or Obama. (Isn’t their obligation first and foremost to their constituents?)

    Elected Officials Voting for Clinton Who’s Constituents Voted for Obama

    Michael Thompson – California (Obama won by 500 votes)
    Doris Matsui – Cal.
    Lynn Woolsey – Cal.
    Diane Watson – Cal .
    Maxine Walters – Cal.
    Laura Richardson – Cal.
    Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger – Maryland
    Gov. Martin O’Malley – Maryland

    Elected Officials Voting for Obama Who’s constituents voted for Clinton

    Robert Cramer – Alabama
    Gov. Janet Napalitano – Arizona
    George Miller – California
    Gerald McNerney – California – Obama Donation $5,000
    Fortney Pete Stark – California
    Zoe Lofgren – Cal.
    Howard Berman – Cal.
    Adam Schiff – Cal.
    Henry Waxman – Cal
    Linda Sanchez – Cal
    Joe Donnely – Indiana – Obama $7,500 Donation
    Baron Hill – Indiana – Obama $12,500 Donation
    Ben Chandler – Kentucky – wow Obama drew less than 10%
    Bill Delahunt – Massachussetts
    Gov. Deval Patrick Mass.
    Sen. Ted Kennedy Mass. – $10,000 from both candidates
    Sen. John Kerry – Mass.
    Gov. Bill Richardson – New Mexico
    Carol Shea-Porter – New Hampshire
    Gov. Brad Henry – Oklahoma
    Patrick Murphy – PA Donations from Clinton $2500 Obama $18,826
    Sen. Bob Casey – PA
    Patrick Kennedy – RI
    Charlie Gonzalez – Texas
    Eddie Johnson – Texas
    Rick Boucher – Virginia
    Nick Rahal – WV
    Sen. Robert Byrd –WV $10,000 from both candidates
    Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV – WV – Obama $5000 Donation

    Here’s some interesting one’s that are undeclared whose constituents voted for Clinton (please note the donations):

    Sam Farr – Cal.
    Jim Costa – Cal. – Obama Donation $5,000
    Bob Filner – Cal
    Joe Courtney – Connecticut – Obama $5,000 Donation
    Gov. Steve Beshear – Kentucky
    Rep. John Oliver – Massachussetts
    Rep. Niki Tsongas – Mass. – Obama $5,000 donation
    John Tierney – Mass.
    Ed Markey – Mass
    Travis Childers – Mississippi
    Sen. Frank Lautenberg – New Jersey – Obama $9,000
    Gov. John Lynch – New Hampshire
    Charlie Wilson – Ohio – Obama $7,000
    Marci Kaptur – Ohio
    Dennis Kucinich – Ohio
    Zack Space – Ohio – Obama $7500
    Sen. Sherrod Brown – Ohio $10,000 from both
    Dan Boren – Oklahoma
    Jason Altmire – PA – Obama $10,000
    Tim Holden – PA
    Gabriel Gifford – Arizona Obama Donation $9,000
    Michael Honda – California
    Sen. Jack Reed – RI – Obama $5,000
    Lincoln Davis – Tennessee
    Bart Gordon – Tennessee
    Gov. Phil Bredesen – Tenn.
    Nick Lampsen – Texas – Obama $5,000
    Alan Mollohan – WV
    Gov. Joe Manchin – WV

    It’s important to note the donations above include disclosed donations by either Clinton or Obama.

    If you’re a Democrat I would be outraged by the individuals in the above lists, especially Clinton Supporters. Just the floppers above represent a net of 20 Supers for Clinton OR a 40 delegate swing.

    Furthermore, have Supers become so beholden to the DNC that they no longer remember that their loyalty is to their constituent first; or is it just about money.

    If I were on the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee I would start dumping huge amounts of money into the districts above and start running the commercials.

    But the Super delegate issue goes well beyond just the Federally Elected Officials. Many of the DNC member super delegates are high ranking elected State Office holders. We are currently working on that list

    Additionally, there is also a large number of Supers that are high ranking state Democratic Officials like Arizona’s Yuma County chair Charlene Fernandez whose county vote over 60% for Clinton; and California’s State Vice-Chairperson Alexandra Gallardo-Rooker.

    There’s no doubt that the Obama money machine is in full force. We know for a fact that through the end of February, Obama had contributed more than $710,000 to the campaigns of Federally Elected Supers, while the Clinton campaign contributed $236,000.

    But this information is scarce as PAC’s tied to the Obama campaign have not updated their disclosures to the FEC since March.

    Just think about how much money has flowed from Obama’s coffers, and the coffer’s of his primary supporters and 527’s like Move On, since March.

    Obama’s campaign has suffered defeat after defeat since the end of February, he has consistently lost support among the very groups that make up the backbone of the electorate, yet Supers continue to flock to him.

    I’ll leave you today with just a couple thoughts:

    The RNC issued a press release yesterday pointing out Obama’s Hypocrisy on Lobbyists, check it out: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080521/pl_usnw/rnc__obama_s_lobbyist_hypocrisy

    For the large number of environmental voters of Oregon who propelled the “Messiah” to his win in your state: consider the fact that since launching his federal –level political career Exelon Corp. (an nuclear energy subsidiary of ComEd) has been a top contributor to Barrack Obama, including over $229,000 in this campaign.

    J Brown
    May 22, 2008
    Politically Drunk on Power blog

    Please visit Politically Drunk on Power & donate for this comprehensive article.

    link was originally posted by MB @ TaylorMarsh

    • http://liberalrapture.com scott

      Michael Thompson – California (Obama won by 500 votes)

      What am I missing here Sen. Clinton won CA by 400K votes. Is that a district thing.

    • Betty

      For the large number of environmental voters of Oregon who propelled the “Messiah” to his win in your state: consider the fact that since launching his federal –level political career Exelon Corp. (an nuclear energy subsidiary of ComEd) has been a top contributor to Barrack Obama, including over $229,000 in this campaign

      .

      Today on CNN I noticed a comercial for nucular energy as “the future”. I guess they think Barock ‘let them drink radioactive water’ Obama is already elected.

      Thanks Oragon, all the new nuclear power plants are going in by your house.

      • Tom Plumb

        If Obama’s money is tainted, (ROTFLMAO) do they have to give the contributions back, how does that work?

        Give it to charity?

    • http://comcast.net M.

      Wonderful entry. The SD’s who aren’t looking ahead to the GE are walking us Democrats into a canyon with no way out. This failure to think strategically on behalf of the whole party can partially be attributed to their focus on the dollars they need and are getting for their own campaigns from the Obama campaign. That said, the logic demands again that we ask where the money is coming from. It is hard to believe that small donors would continually donate in the amounts that he has collected. There are many entries on this website and others that hypothesize regarding the bundlers who are being fed money by other sources than Joe and Mary Voter. What they have forgotten is that the shoe leather we party faithful have laid down in past elections is not going to be spent on this one. Personally I worked for John Kerry in four states. For this one, if HRC is not the nominee, the vote for POTUS will be blank. I might not go to the polls at all.

    • hope

      Thank you so much for putting this information together.
      It is very telling.
      I will visit the website.

  • Catsarepeopletoo

    I will never vote for BO. The dealbreaker for me was when I proudly voted for Hillary in Ohio and BO called me an Archie Bunker.

    • Urban Hillbilly

      Did BO really call people “Archie Bunker”? If so, do you remember where it was reported?

      • http://liberalrapture.com scott

        New Hampshire primarys MSNBO making excuses for why barky lost.

    • beebop

      Yeah … what a guy that Obama.

      In the past it used to take a REPUBLICAN to make a Democratic voter feel bad about his/her vote. We’ll have the last laugh in November, my friend, when we PROUDLY vote for John Sidney McCain, yes?

  • Urban Hillbilly

    “Al Gore’s Twilight Zone”

    I like that description. It is a nightmare. Putting up the weaker candidate (Obama), also, a nightmare.

    • Tom Plumb

      I would think, after 2000, legal eagles would have sharpened their pens, and minds, in regard to election fraud.

      And if Dean is deliberately fixing this, particularly in regard to MI and FL, wouldn’t it qualify as election fraud?

      Someone has to challenge them, Clinton WON this primary, she HAS to advocate for the voters.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Hey Obama your follows are on board with you and your buddy Ayers.

    In their documents, R68 vehemently denounces expected police brutality and media mistreatment, and issues declarations of the necessity to use violence in self-defense. Parallel declarations by R68 coalition members such as Unconventional Action (UA) advocate an “ecology” of protest tactics, and claim that violence is one such necessary tactic!

    ALL TACTICS WELCOME AND ENCOURAGED!!!
    UA provides a resource page, which link, of all things, to the Anarchist Cook Book, particularly this passage:

    High-confrontational struggle has its own principles: that a high level of confrontation is appropriate in the situations we now face, that people have the right and responsibility to defend themselves against police violence, that many people are already angry and mostly not saintly and a political movement needs room to express that rage, that active self-defense can be empowering and may also win people to our cause, that to bring down an economic and political system that worships property, property must be attacked. [reposted by UA from]

    http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=233

    • Kara

      they’re denouncing things that haven’t even happened? I know the whole thing is outrageous, but that part struck me as funny (in a sick way). What a bunch of wack-jobs.

  • alibe4-Hillary

    I am a retired Government worker. I have been a commited Democrat and Progressive. Have marched for Women’s rights, civil rights, gay rights and against the war. I have volunteered for duties on many a Democrat campaign and given hundreds and hundreds of dolars. I am donating a significant amount to Hillary. There are so many reasons why I will not vote for Obama. The only decision left was will I write in Hillary or vote McCain. I have decided to vote for McCain, despite not liking McCain. I dislike Obama even more. He has highjacked the Democratic Party. That is reason enough to not support him, but the intimidation factor, the lies and the sexism and the tactic of smearing the Clintons is totally out of bounds. He deserves the ultimate in my sanction. I will vote for McCain. Better to have a Republican I detest than a faux democrat that I detest even more. Besides it will mean Obama will have to find 2 votes to cancel my vote for McCain out. And I do not want Obama to win. He deserves to lose and lose big.

    • AC-n-NC

      My thoughts also alibe, I was saying this election eve I would write in her name but I need to say more than that , I need to make sure my voice is heard loud and clear.
      NO MEANS NO. !!!

  • PamFlorida

    Saw Sen. Clinton & Chelsea in Boca Raton, Fl. yesterday. In the receiving line, she looked me in the eye and was very warm & personable.
    The people I talked with told me that they would vote for her if she is the nominee. They also told me that they would vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. They do not trust BO because he is a complete unknown.

  • SensibleWoman

    I’ve noticed in casual conversations with others who aren’t following the primary closely that they are uncertain about Obama.

    They don’t really pinpoint anything in particular, but it seems to me they’re picking up on the negatives coming from his campaign. Their comments range from “Oh, I don’t know…something just doesn’t seem right” to “As much as he’s talked about I still don’t really feel I know WHAT he’s about.”

    I don’t think his campaign was prepared at all for a lengthy primary so he’s under pressure and shooting from the hip which reveals more about them. Kind of seems to me as though their hopes of reaching people in a subliminal way is backfiring and causing people to feel negatively.

    • Tom Plumb

      Which is what happens when you put lipstick on a Congressional POS, and try to sell it as President.

      I dunno, maybe he really is worse than Bush…

  • JP

    49 white female professional. Will never vote for Obama on any ticket in any form. He is dangerous and his associates even more so. There was once a democratic party but it has left us. I would consider staying if Hillary is the nominee (no Obama VP). However, the news media did their job well to get rid of Hillary at all costs, lies, distortions, sexism, etc. If Hillary is not the nominee, it will be a sad day for America and for the democratic party. Howard Dean, Donna Brazille, et al deserve to be taken down from their perches. I do not like physical violence but I could almost punch each one of them scarely in the nose. One of Obama’s campaign personnel is vying to take over the DNC, his name is Tewes. Unless Howard Dean gets his ass out of Obama’s, the democratic party is finished and can no longer be called democratic. In all my years I have never witnessed such an atrocity. America deserved better than what these elite idiots gave us or are trying to give us. Its Hillary or McCain.

  • fatracu

    Question: is the delegate voting in the Convention secret? This would give delegates shelter from pressure

  • Marjorie

    I just heard on Fox News Bill Clinton is asking that Obama take Hillary on as his VP. What trash! Where did that come from? The Obama campaign?

  • apishapa

    I am a 52 year old third generation Coloradan. I’ve been a Democrat for 34 years. I have never voted for anyone who was not a Democrat. I will not vote for Obama. I am changing my registration to Independent.

    I live in rural eastern Colorado. The only reason Obama won in Colorado is because for the first time we had a caucus rather than a primary. It snowed 15 inches on caucus day, so in rural Colorado very few voters were able to get to town. In my precinct 13 people showed up and selected 7 delegates to the county convention. The total turnout was thirteen people. The vote was 11 for Hillary, 2 for Obama. I beieve the turnout was probably the same all over rural Colorado. If more rural Coloradans had been able to vote, the result would have been different.

    I attended the County convention, but I couldn’t go to the State Convention because my daughter graduated from high school last Friday. I have heard that the Obama people were rude and aggressive. So, I’m glad I wasn’t there.

  • S. Markom

    I have been a registered Dem since 1976 and I am frightened of an Obama Presidency for two reasons:

    1. Inexperience

    2. Ignorance.

    His knoweldge of Middle East history and politics is terrible. Regarding Israel, I just watched a speech he made in Boca Raton to a group of Florida Jews. He has good speech writers and delivers speeches very well. But he is a liar. I do not believe a word he says about his so-called support of Israel.

    Two weeks ago we find out that one of his top foreign policy advisors, Malley, had been talking with Hamas. He says it was part of his think tank. Really?

    Today another of Obama’s top advisors, Brzezinski, equated Hamas with Israel’s Likud Party.

    If Obama is the candidate there is zero chance of my voting for him and will cross over to vote for McCain – even if Hillary is the VP candidate (which would be a mistake on her part).

  • Susan

    So many eloquent responses; it is good to know that people can think for themselves and not choose a president based on habit, tradition, or guilt.

    Thank goodness we still have our liberties, and the right to choose whom we think is the best person for that very important, most responsible job in the world. I know switching a life-long party is difficult, but the other option is a crisis.

    Hillary shines and would make us proud… Obama is weak and would be an catastrophe!

    I am a democrat for 40 years, but I will become an independent and vote for Hillary

    I will vote for the one who “shines!”

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Larry..

    I know how she feels. I WAS a very active member of the Dem party. My Father my Mother and Eight siblings ALL are Dems.. Not One of them will vote for Obama!

    My four children all refuse to Vote for Obama!
    My wife refuses to vote for this fool!
    I worked my tail off in Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Kentucky for Hillary and I believe very strongly that SHE is the best person for our Country today!!! BAR NONE!

    I was working for a local candidate here in the 13 district..Illinois… and one day the Sen walked up to me and asked me if I wanted to go to the Convention! Sure I said…I would love it…But there was a catch!
    I had to work on Obama’s campaign here in Illinois..You know that 50 state thingee he has going on!
    I refused. Needless to say she told me she was endorseing Obama..Thats when I walked out! I turned ripped up My Democratic Committee Man’s card and I havnt looked back… I WILL NOT vote for this man and I am doing all I could to convince others to do the same…Excuse the mistakes…Have a raging fever! ;-)

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Repugnant. Perfect word for how I feel about Obama. Repugnant. I actually feel an aversion for the man that built up over time. I didn’t always feel that way. In fact, I was rather impressed with him when he spoke at the 2004 convention. Over time, he has ruined it. Over time, all the things I revile in a person he has shown himself to be to me.

    • Tom Plumb

      Have you read Rezkowatch today?

      There is another comment from Pundita on Obama’s Marxist Ayers connections you might find interesting…

  • OhVoter

    The Obama campaign, the DNC and, in particular the super delegates, should be reading the comments on blogs such as this and TM. What is going to happen if Obama is coronated will not be pretty. All the super delegates need to do is a little googling to see how many Democratic anti-Obama “will not vote for Obama” sites and groups are popping up all over the internet. If he is actually “handed” the nomination it will be an avalanche of voters rushing to make their voices heard in the General Election. My advice to the DNC and the Super Delegates is to listen NOW or pay the consequences later.

    • Tom Plumb

      Which has HUGE ramifications for democratic downticket races.

      Voters are ANGRY.

  • cackicoo

    i am the mother of three children.they all voted for obama…..mom and dad did not..we are totally disgusted with the whole damn depressing thing this election has turned into….it is not OUR fault…it is the dnc, media…and obama and his followers…i see nothing in him at all…there used to be some respect as a good man…after almost 8 years of this crappy hell with the bush cabal we get this…NOTHING
    no vote

  • Myshiba

    I’m AA and a registered Independent; Hillary or McCain . . .no other option. NOBO in ’08!

  • pm317

    Great! Bud, you know, Brazile said in that hearing they have to send a strong message to FL, what a performance? Well, I would like to send HER and Dean and everyone else a message too, come November.

    • beebop

      Yes we will ….

    • mary C.

      Pass the word—if he is nominated at the convention, we should all tear our voter (Dem.)registration cards in half and mail them to the DNC.

      • workingclass artist

        “…The right of revolution is an inherent one….” Ulysses S. Grant
        I revolt against the fraud perpetuated by the party elite…I will send in my card with a FUCK THE NEW PARTY…FUCK OBAMA…scrawled across it….

  • http://IthinkIfeel... Tricia

    I know so many women and men who just cannot stomach the thought of anyone springing forth from Chicago’s corrupt political scene with little relevant experience for the job becoming our President. They wonder if the entire Democratic leadership [sic] has taken loss of its senses.

    • jwrjr

      “They wonder if the entire Democratic leadership [sic] has taken leave of its senses.” That was a rhetorical question, wasn’t it?

  • Linda C.

    Even though his supporters are rude, even though the DNC seems to want to crown him, even though the media falls all over him..The more I see the less I want.

    It is becoming a visceral reaction and it has come from listening to him directly. It started when he accused Senator Clinton of only having tea with Bhutto. His ignorance of the issues and lack of any original thought. He is no champion of the citizen of this country. He did little for his own constituents under his watch, and indeed their life deteriorated because of his dirty dealings. He doesn’t posses the charitable principles of caring for the poor in either Islam or Christianianty so I don’t know why people even bother to debate it

    The man has no business running the country. He simply has no leadership skill or potential. He refuses to do what it takes..work hard, to get the votes. If he fails he doesn’t try again. He has not improved by his previous mistakes..he simply continues to make in a different venue.

    Actually I think he is less prepared and worse than George Bush.

    • Tom Plumb

      Which makes me want to take a really really hard look at those who support him, in Congress.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        Which reminds me, before you reject downticket, folks, find out where the person on the ballot stands. My congressman was on the list of officials who wrote to party leaders on behalf of Hillary a few weeks ago. We wouldn’t want to reject a democrat who supported her in spite of the pressure.

        • wac for hillary

          My congressman was on the list, too. But, believe me, I will be watching to see if any of Arkansas’ superdelegates vote for Obama at the end. If any do and I have the opportunity to vote against them, I will without hesitation.

          • Denise-Mary

            Governor Gregoire of Washington, for whom I voted when she ran for governor, switched her support from Clinton to Obama. I wrote to let her know she will not be getting my vote when she’s up for re-election.

    • anna shane

      OK, I’m for Hillary, but no one is worse the George Bush. If Barack starts a war, it’ll be by accident, someone will get the idea they can get away with it cause they’ll see him as weak, and then he’ll do something to show he’s not, and we could get more war with him, but it would be by accident. George Bush was gleeful about starting a war and it was no accident.

      • Linda C.

        He will start a war by something entirely stupid. The he will blame it on Hillary Clinton, those redneck uneducated voters, and the poor people who wanted heat in Chicago…..

      • http://fly flyarm

        anna shane…please do some homework and see who Obama’s advisors are..and do some serious reading about PNAC and Leo Strauss..and Milton Friedman..look into who Obama has already fired as advisors only because he was caught with them on his advisor staff..

        do some damn research..pleaseeeeeeeeee

        fly

  • NCgal

    I registered as a Dem in 1977 when I turned 18. (Yep, another 49-year-old white female). I have actively and enthusiastically supported every Democratic Presidential Candidate, even when I knew they were gonna lose BIG TIME. I even manned the county Democratic Headquarters during Mondale’s run, because hardly anyone else would do it!!

    I WILL NOT vote for Barack Obama. He is utterly unqualified to be a candidate for POTUS, let alone the nominee, let alone the winner. The more I reflect, the more I’m convinced he was put forth expressly to keep Hillary from winning. The only way the DNC and whatever other shady forces that are involved could keep Hillary from winning was to put up an African American. (I’ll see you your historic candidacy and raise you one…”) Obama could have been Hillary’s VP, and then in 8 years, he sails into office, PREPARED TO LEAD. If the DNC truly cared about getting the best candidate elected, Dean et al would have encouraged this. Instead, they have foolishly engineered the biggest disaster ever for the Democratic Party for some reason that I can’t quite figure out.

    If Obama is the nominee, I will change my registration immediately to Independent, and I will vote for John McCain. Period. I ain’t gonna change my mind.

  • Untilthelastdogdies

    Great article Bud!

    For what it’s worth, I just came back from 4 days in Las Vegas where I conducted my own “unofficial polling” (people get a little uninhibited after a few pina-coladas). From what I was hearing, your friend in Colorado is definitely not alone.

    The casinos on the strip are a virtual melting pot of American society. Frankly, I’m surprised Pollsters don’t gravitate there to mine the rich oil-fields of public opinion. Here’s what i found:

    John and Helen from Ohio aren’t voting for Obama
    Nancy and Tim from Myrtle Beach aren’t voting for Obama
    Tracy and Kim from Florida aren’t voting for Obama.
    The two guys we shared a table with while watching the Celtics aren’t voting for Obama.The bartender at my hotel and his partner aren’t voting for Obama.
    Well, you get the picture.

    Granted, I didn’t frequent the retro-discos where everyone is under 30, but believe me, they are far out-numbered by the thousands of people resembling the folks mentioned above.

    My little un-scientific study told me everything I need to know about this election. The Democratic Party is poised to send the wrong candidate into November’s general election.
    It’s more than just a gut feeling…it’s a certitude.

  • http://www.mytowntalks.com Bruce

    Add two more to the won’t vote for Obama count. I don’t care how many of the Obama supporters think I will come around they are wrong. I won’t vote for Obama in any capacity. If he is on the ticket no matter which posistion and who is on there with him. I will be very disapointed in Hillary if she takes the VP slot.

    I expect more out of here. We cna’t afford to get it wrong this time and Obama is way wrong. Mccain is wrong too, but not near as bad as Obama. I cna see Mccain taking every state if Obama is the nominee.

  • http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/ Debi

    I have been a registered Dem for 28 years. I have never voted for a Repul. for anything! I All D’s down the row. My parents were both Dem’s and never voted Rep. either. I am a proffesional college educated woman, living in WY. But this much I know, I am a American first and a Dem. last. This party lost my respect when they and the press sold out to Obama. We have to do what is good for the country. I will also vote for McCain…….

    http://reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com/

  • jimbo

    Please do not vote for McInane. Write in Hillary or don’t vote for president. I personally will vote for the Democratic nominee if and only if FL and MI are fully counted in determining the nominee. Otherwise, no possible vote for Obama.

    • beebop

      AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO EXERCISE THEIR VOTE. WE GET THIS PRIVILEGE ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS.

      Who the f’ing hell do you think you are to tell people about voting, how to vote or not to vote? Get the hell out of here!

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

      I most certainly will vote for McCain. It’s the best way to get rid of Barky, and we both know it.

      • wac for hillary

        My dream scenario is that if Obama gets the nomination, he will be stomped by McCain in the GE, which will weaken him so much politically that the woman who was his mentor in the Illinois legislature (you know, the one he knifed in the back to become state senator) will run against him and beat him for his Senate seat by a landslide. Then he and Michelle and all their little running buddies will fade from view forever, or as an alternative, he will wind up in federal prison.

        Hey, I can dream, can’t I.

        • http://fly flyarm

          Alice Palmer

    • workingclass artist

      Thanks but no thanks..DONNA PUTIN….THIS AINT’ RUSSIA….
      I WON’T SUPPORT THE FRAUD….

  • bert

    Registered as a Democrat at age 21 in 1968. (Had to be 21 to vote in those days.) Have voted for a Democrat for President every election since then. Have voted for a few good Republicans, but most of the time voted Democrat. Was a local and county activist. Was an elected Carter delegate. Was active in the civil rights movement and the women’s movement. Worked on hundreds of local, state, and national campaigns, including JFK and RFK. Was a political action consultant/lobbyist at state and federal levels, a labor relations consultant, a union member. Always thought of myself as a liberal progressive. Never know I really wasn’t till Obama supporters told me I was a racist moron just this year. In July of 2006 I changed my political affiliation from ‘D’ to “I’ after sending a six page letter to Pelosi and Dean regarding the Democrats inability to counter anything Bush did.

    I will remain an Independent for the rest of my life after this primary campaign.

    I cannot in good conscience vote for Obama for so many of the same reasons others have cited here. Mostly he is too inexperienced and I don’t trust him. He is also the most divisive candidate in my life time bar none.

    • so saddened

      hi bert, i remember the age 21 requirement too. i was glad it was lowered to 18, because it didn’t seem right to draft kids and send them to vietnam but not let them vote.

      we don’t have the draft any more. and an age 21 requirement seems a lot more appealing after watching the immaturity of the kids this year. their “cause” is a person – pathetic!

      like you, active in the 60s/70s causes, and dem all these years. family have been dems for generations. but apparently we’re all repubs and racists, because we don’t like obama. who knew?

      and will vote mccain if obama is nominated.

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

  • MomWhoCares4USA

    I’m one of those Hillary supporters who will not vote for Obama because of his disrespect of a cherished Democratic leader and Senator: Hillary Clinton. When he shows no leadership in combatting the rampant sexism in this campaign, I know that he cannot be a leader for me as a US Citizen who happens to be an underpaid woman. I will never vote for Obama.

  • rjj

    Comment by beebop | 2008-05-22 17:33:00

    Yes we will ….

    I love this. Hope it gets used a lot.

  • jwrjr

    Race is irrelevant. Gender is irrelevant. Competence is relevant. Background is relevant. Voting record is relevant. Of the three relevant criteria, Obama fails all three. Of the three relevant criteria, Clinton scores well on all three. The choice is obvious. NObama.

  • http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President & Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton **==

    Of all the threads going today the conference call one is the most important! I urge my friends here to focus extra attention to it! I just posted this there:

    Susan you might want to make this the top thread for the rest of the night. It is very important!

    The absence of troll poop in this thread proves it scares them. They know Hillary will do fine in the rules committee so they won’t want to point attention too much to this topic. “Mission accomplished” indeed.

    Please participate heavily by clicking here.

    And listen to the conference call. You will find great solace and strength after listening! I guarantee!

  • oaktown

    For days, I have searched the Internet and tv stations trying to find someone-anyone who wasn’t bashing Hillary Clinton. A few days ago I found this blog and a few others and have been reading the postings religiously since then.

    I am a 45 year old mother of two adult children, black, attorney, living in the Bay Area. And I am surrounded by Obamabots. I almost feel like I’m living in the invasion of the body snatchers. Over the last few days, it’s been this blog and a few others that have kept me sane.

    Until recently, I had decided that I was going to sit this election season on the fence, since I didn’t have confidence in any of the candidates. What changed me was watching Hillary come into her own under all the pressure to drop out of the race. What a warrior! She’s a femme-bot and I really admire that about her. She has shown me that she is much more than just Bill’s wife.

    From the beginning, I didn’t trust Obama. Even my godson, who is 24 and not at all politically savvy, said O reminds him of George Bush. I thought about it for a while and realized he was dead on. He is a lot like W in that they are both puppets and someone else is pulling the strings.

    Needless to say, I am so glad you folks are here. It’s time to take our party back from the elites who think they know the answers for everyone and continuously try to shove losing candidates down our throats. I’m not having it any more! It’s Hillary or McCain for me. In fact, John McCain is looking better to me all the time!

    P.S. Where does Michelle Obama get off not being proud of America all the time? I may not like everything done in our name, but I’m still proud to be an American all the time. Where else could I go from being a broke single parent to a corporate lawyer making a ton of cash but here?

    • Strawberry

      Femme-bot? Oh. My. God. Too funny. Hillary as a femme-bot. Bwahahahaha! Thank you for the visual. I’m dyin’ here! Hahahahah! Obama being takin’ out by Hillary’s much talked about cleavage. Hahahahaa. Besides that, your story really inspires me. Thank you.

  • Mercedes

    I am independent voter and Hillary supporter who absolutely positively will not vote for Obama.

    I have been voting since 1968 and in those years I voted for Democrats for President each election except for Jimmy Carter. Instead of Carter, I voted for Ford and for Anderson. We don’t know what kind of Presidents the other Democrats would have been, but we do know what happened under Carter.

    I don’t consider myself infallible, but every bone in my body tells me not to vote for Obama. With Carter, my decision was based on dislike as much as anything. For Obama, I would discribe my feelings as horror and foreboding.

    Please come to your senses DNC.

  • jyotinc

    Ladies,
    it’s the superdelegates will make the decision after all. If obama is looking for his VP, then Hillary should start looking around for her VP, too. Hillary will be the president.

    • mahaska

      one of the SDs lives with her daughter and son in law in a house she helped them buy. the son in law is an obama advisor and the daughter works for axelrod. Isn’t that cozy? the sd, a congresswoman from CA pledged to bo.

  • gorgonica

    Troubling Dreams: The Oedipal Obama

    I will not vote for Barak Obama for many of the reasons already listed and for something more intangible. I think he has troubling psychological issues.

    None of what I’m exploring in this post has to do with conscious constructs but rather with well-known unconscious tropes.

    I find it uncanny that the primaries are playing out the egodystonic intraspsychic processes in Barak Obama. To wit:

    Abandoned by White Mother/Politically Abandoned by Older White Women. Barak’s mother abandoned him to go off and pursue her own interests leaving him with his “white” grandmother. Although consciously children can recognize these actions as not being their fault, unconsciously, at the id-level, they process this as their fault. Isn’t it uncanny that Obama’s problem is with independent white women who are roughly the age his mother would be had she lived? Has he unconsciously set the environment wherein he replays his teenage years vis-a-vis his mother. I suspect he was driven to jump in the race because Hillary (career white woman) gave him the perfect foil to re-live and psychologically punish the mother who left him behind. She is roughly the same age as his mother would be. Somewhere deep inside, he doesn’t want her to win because that would mean mother choses career over son all over again.

    I don’t buy the threat about Roe v. Wade because Obama will nominate the judge that overturns it. He, I suspect unconsciously, sees career women as whores and bitches because they abandon their sons. He will likely nominate an older woman to the Supreme Court who reminds him of his mother (he needed to both defeat his mother (Hillary) and retain her in a position to judge him (Supreme Court).

    Obama didn’t get to come to grips with the standard Oedipal process. His father left and his mother left during his formative adolescent years. Unconsciously, I suspect, he harbors the natural childhood hatred for the people he was left behind with – his grandparents (hence the driving away of older/senior voters). He didn’t get to contend with his father over his mother. Look for him to be driven to have an affair with a slightly older white woman.

    Obama craves approval from the absent father. Look at the prominent older male superdelegates, MSM pundits, and predominantly male bloggers, that have sided with him. They and Rev Wright are the father figures he craves but can never get enough of. He will seek approval from African and Muslim leaders to fill the empty “father hole in his heart.” He will also likely go to war with a country lead by a black African leader to play out the Oedipal process.

    The hatred for Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton also has intrapsychic roots. Bill like his father sought out other women but Hillary didn’t leave Bill. This is a situation that he probably longed for but did not get so it is a source of anger and envy.

    He will also play out his Oedipal process with McCain. McCain will represent the hated, needed, loved, longed for abandoning father. If McCain chose Colin Powel as a VP, I think we would see Obama driven more to sparring more with Powel than McCain.

    With an Obama presidency, the white women who abandon him and even those that don’t will receive the brunt of his policy anger made manifest in the public arena. Look for him to try to destroy Hillary Clinton whether she supports him or not in the general election. He wants his mother figure figuratively back home with her son. He will unconsciously choose those policies and programs that restrict women’s careers and rights in the public sphere.

    I am worried that Obama is the culminating force of the backlash against women that started from the 70s. Ideals are often destroyed from within and it is often too hard to see these patterns developing and enacting until after they occur.

    McCain has psychological wounds from being a POW. Hillary has psychological wounds from Bill’s betrayal and these are powerful forces but Obama’s is the most powerful. Their issues occurred when they were adults. Obama was abandoned by both mother and father and he craves approval that’s why he rejects it so and why he draws so many to him to heal that wound.

    His family projects the picture of the 50s nuclear family. Good image politics but also a frame of what he wants and what he wants to give us. It is the working class that sees the flaw in this picture because in working class families women need to work to keep their families together and food on the table as they always have. Its only the upper class that can afford a choice and they too are echoing Obama’s wound. “Mom left for a career, lets punish her.” Their hope is the hope for a new Father’s Knows Best world built on the unconscious hope of the “destruction of an independent mother.”

    The other troubling aspect of Obama is his unresolved issues of dual identity. Barry one day, Barak the next. He won’t have any problem abandoning any constituency because he can fluidly shift into another identity. If those Barak supporters annoy him, well they don’t know and never supported Barry. Look for a possibly psychological breakdown or a real abuse of power against the American people if he is thwarted. Michigan/Florida is just a foretaste of what is to come.

    Along with all the troubling overt elements of his campaign and his associations, these are the aspects of Obama,the candidate that give me pause. They are suppositions and hypotheticals but I find it utterly uncanny that older white female voters are reenacting Obama’s abandonment syndrome. Many children when their parents separate blame themselves. Isn’t it interesting that he has fostered a deep split in the Democratic party between men and women)? Is he unconsciously re-creating his family history. “Oh she will come back,” “Oh they will come around.”

    I don’t want to be a part of his psychodrama. Either of the other two candidates seem less largely wounded.

    • Linda C.

      I also work in mental health. Basically for all of they dynamic reason you have presented..he ends up being a sociopathic narcissist…..

    • SM

      WOW! I just have to commend you on this comment because it all makes sense! You definitely either are a forensic profiler or a psychotherapist (or something in between!)

      I just posted your comment on the Confluence blog in the comments section of the lateset thread, titled “Florida,” with credit to you of course.

      He’s one step away from a psychotic break. No to Obama Psychodrama! We have had enough already with a president that has daddy issues, now we are going to one with mommy issues?

      No2BO!

      • http://www.calpuma.wordpress.com gorgonica

        Hi SM,

        It has been quite awhile since I looked at this post but was googling my comments and saw yours. I find it really spooky to see how much of this post is playing out from the late term abortion/feeling blue issue to all the speculation about Hillary as Supreme Court candidate.

        I’ve joined the Pumapac and started a very intermittent blog but find that everything I still worry about this presumptive nominee still holds true and more so.

    • mahaska

      I’ve been telling people all along that I don’t want him working out his oedipal issues in the oval office. good post.

  • Annie

    This wonderfully earnest post reminds me of something that’s gotten lost and is one reason I don’t trust the Obama candidacy: he is not, not, not a progressive and yet his noisiest supporters act like he is. I was a Kucinich gal 4 years ago, so my lefty pals give me particular grief for supporting Hillary, whom they label scary-centrist. But if you do your homework, and think outside the gender box, you learn that Hillary is NOT her husband and is, in fact, to his left — just ask Paul Krugman and anyone who worked in the WH in the 90′s. Then, when you look into Obama’s record and his speeches, you simply can’t know what the heck his ideology looks like. He is all over the map and full of contradictions. I have my theories about the lefty echo chamber’s zeal for Obama, but that’s for another post. But as this Coloradan says, his supporters do come up empty when you ask them, Why Obama, except for the inadequate – and slightly creepy — platitudes we’ve all heard a hundred times.

  • catherine

    I still believe Hillary will be the nominee and win, but if God forbid the marxists thugs annoint Obama not only should we ensure that he never sees the White House we should also bring down the careers of those (Pelosi, Dean, Brazile et al) who have desperately tried to muscle the Clintons out.

  • Clinton Fan

    I think more people than many pundits realize feel like your friend.

    I also think you won’t get any honest polling on this matter without removing the human pollster–the pollsters need to use those “auto response” things where people press one, two, or three on their phone.

    I would not be surprised if McCain takes two or three New England states if BO is the nominee. This sense that BO is NOT the best person for the top job is real.

  • Ruth

    Yes, Linda C!! I’ve had him pegged as a malignant narcissist from the very beginning. He fits every single one of the criteria.

    I’m not rewarding his “persona” with a vote. No supply from me.

  • evening news

    I like this web site! Thanks for all your comments. I too will not vote for Obama! It has nothing to do with race . He is inexperienced and not politically savvy. some bloggers have raised the issue of his birth certificate not being found and question whether he is a citizen of the U.S.Can anyone find out about this. Also news media is beginning to make remarks about Hillary being Obama’s VP. How ridiculous can that be. I hope this dosen’t happen as I still would not vote for him.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I certainly could tell early on that the Race Issue beat the Gender Issue.

    Race cards were aces.
    Gender……10s.

    That’s the truth.

    And that’s what is terribly offensive to women. You know, it should be offensive to AA women, too.

    We are raising the nation’s children, folks. Look at the divorce rate. Look at the single-parent homes. Look who is carrying the load.

    It’s the women.

    Yes, yes……we need those support checks (which we do NOT get punctually).

    But make no mistake. Women are very, very key to this country.

    You perpetuate the problems when you tell children that women don’t matter. Frankly, they come home to “Just Mom” more than to anyone else. So what….they are not being raised OK?

    Children have the right to feel proud of their mothers.

    Sexism matters, in the case of future generations, even more than racism.

    Sexism involves women of ALL races.

  • The Friend

    I am the friend that Bud is referring to in this post. I first want to say how truly overwhelmed I am by the support and comments I’ve seen. I wanted to just take a minute and share a few more details of my experiences related to this presidential race that I thought you all would find interesting and appalling. While at the Colorado State Convention (as a delegate for Hillary), I saw many disturbing things. Former Denver Mayor Federico Pena was nominated and elected to the DNC as an “unpledged” delegate. How is this possible when he is the national co-chair for Obama’s campaign? That seems pretty pledged to me. It is totally unethical and just another slap in the face of what is supposed to be a fair, democratic process.

    One of the comments I read was from another woman in Colorado who had a friend tell her how rude some of the Obama supporters were at the convention. This is true. I have seen it at the caucus, the county convention, the congressional district convention and finally at the state convention. Whenever a Hillary supporter gets up to speak, they are interrupted by booing, by “yes we can” chants and other comments. On the other side are the Hillary supporters who sit and respectfully listen to whomever is speaking on behalf of the Obama campaign. It speaks volumes about the type of people that are supporting him.

    I addressed my disappointment with the head of the State Democratic Party and was told that in fact at least three other local/state politicians had been nominated to be the “unpledged” delegate but withdrew their names, leaving only Pena on the ballot. The conclusion I obviously drew was that this whole process was indeed a forgone conclusion being decided not by the people but by the politicians and superdelegates. In addition, this party leader told me that from where she was (on stage at the front of the arena), the “yeas” clearly outweighed the “nays”, and that she didn’t hear any objections from the floor. I pointed out to her that from where I was sitting,and with the large number of people in the arena, it is unlikely I would have been able to scream loud enough to be heard. I also pointed out that anyone that has been in an arena knows that what you hear, and how you hear it, depends a lot on where you are seated.

    Prior to the ballots being handed out, a number of Obama campaign staff came around the arena and passed out a paper containing a list of names that the Obama campaign “recommended” the delegates vote for to go to the DNC. They then were told that they would vote for seven people to be delegates to the DNC and that even though hundreds of people had submitted their names to be considered, only seven would be on the ballot because that is who the Obama campaign decided they wanted. I was sitting next to a very nice woman who happened to be an Obama supporter and I turned to her and asked how it felt to not have a choice or a true vote. She agreed with me, at least on that point, that it didn’t seem right. I would go a little further and say not only wasn’t it right, it is undemocratic, unethical and appalling to tell people how they will vote and not give them a choice.

    Finally, to those of you who have said you won’t vote if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination. I encourage you to still vote, it is the only way to send a message. I don’t care who you CHOOSE to vote for, I just care that we all take advantage of what I consider our privilege and responsibility as American citizens.

    I am outraged, disappointed, appalled and feel totally disenfranchised by what happened at our State convention and imagine many of you will be as well. Thanks again for the support and many kind comments.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Your description of how they listed the delegates to vote is straight Chicago style politics.

      I should know. I was once groomed to be a precinct head in that area. We grew a garden. Yup. And all the precinct was free to come and harvest. We took care of traffic fines, small requests, bigger issues.

      In exchange, we delivered 100% of our precinct to the preferred candidate. The way we did that was to indicate on a premarked ballot who to vote for.

      Now, I didn’t know that this was illegal even back then. LOL*

      I was 20 years old, and this very charismatc Italian filled me with spaghetti and groomed me to take over his job. He even sold me his house at a great deal. (Do I relate to Obama? Yup! :) )

      I once said, “Maybe I should be Independent.” I got such an earful about how not voting straight Democrat harms people that, to be honest, I voted straight Democrat for the next 30 years! LOL*

      But I do get the tactic. It’s old-style politics. It is illegal, unethical, and it works.

      Hillary has such baggage due to Bill’s impeachment that she was absolutely forced to run a clean campaign. Nothing else would have worked for her.

      It’s just now coming to fruition and, I think, will go down as a role model for future races on how to trust honest politics over trickery. That will be one gift she gives to all of us. I don’t believe Hillary is super-special, btw, in this regard. I just believe she knew coming in that would be her challenge. To overcome the impression that she and Bill are not on the up-and-up. That was the legacy of the Republican attack.

      So she’s gone out of her way to make sure she played fair.

      The delightful result is that we see the people finally responding.

      Positively. Overwhelmingly. We appreciate the honesty. We WILL rise to her defense, because she’s earned it.

      And Obama with his tricks has earned our disdain.

      Clean politics is the only way to go today in the era of U-tubes and the internet. They can’t get by with the old-style politics.

      We all are clear. Caucuses are the worst form of democracy. They are simply unprepared to handle real interest. Great for the boring years. Terrible in this year of great excitement.

      His supporters who played dirty tricks, no doubt, felt justified. They’d been fed a pack of baloney about how Hillary had this nefarious “machine.” Obama used fear to galvinize the worst of the American spirit. He played on their emotions. That always makes people go to their worst level.

      Frankly, we should all be very impressed that it hasn’t been worse than it was.

  • graceinpa

    Thank you Marla Jo for you thoughtful insight. I agree with all of your conclusions and will never vote for Obama. I give you credit for standing up to your family and friends for all of the right reasons. The Democratic party is lost to me. It is all about gaining power, the country be damned. This man should not be elected city councilman, let alone President of the United States of America, the most powerful job in the world. The mentors he has had over the years are very scary people. That alone should give every voter pause. McCain in 2008!

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