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Rasmussen Poll Says Hillary Doing Best in PA, but Data is Buried in Report

By Deb Cupples on May 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM in Current Affairs

Today, Rasmussen reports the following polling results regarding Pennsylvania’s presidential election in November 2008:.

Clinton	50%	….	Obama	45%
McCain	39%		McCain	43%

Apparently, Hillary is doing far better against John McCain in Pennsylvania than Barack Obama is. Given that the margin of error is 4%, Obama and McCain are statistically tied.

Oddly, that’s not what Rasmussen’s headline indicates. The relevant part of the headline reads "Pennsylvania: Obama 45% McCain 43%."

No, it’s not a mis-print: though Hillary performed better, her name is not in the headline. In fact, Hillary isn’t even mentioned until the report’s seventh paragraph.

What are the chances that busy readers will actually get to Paragraph 7, if the first six paragraphs (plus the title) give readers the impression that they’ve already gotten the gist the report? Why read any further?

Incidentally, here’s the first part of Paragraph 7, which is almost half way through the report:

"In the unlikely event that Hillary Clinton wins the Democratic
Presidential Nomination, she leads McCain in Pennsylvania by eleven
percentage points, 50% to 39%. The former First Lady is viewed
favorably by 52% of voters in the state."

The Democrats still haven’t formally chosen a nominee, right? They haven’t yet figured out which candidate has the better chance of beating McCain in November?

And Pennsylvania still is a large, swing state — no? I’m just checking, because the way that Rasmussen’s report was written, I figured I might have missed a major news story today.

Over the last few months, I’ve grown accustomed to journalists acting as political campaigners, but I’ve often thought that major polling outfits at least try to conduct — and report — polling data in an objective way.

That way, the polling outfits, themselves, would not taint their future results by indirectly influencing the very public opinion that they purportedly seek to understand and describe.

I stand corrected. Perhaps we should just be grateful that Rasmussen bothered to include Hillary in the survey at all.

Memeorandum has commentary.

Gary Ruppert

Rasmussen is a Republican. Think about it.

Clinton got more votes than Obama and she should be the nominee.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Gary,

I didn’t know that Rasmussen was an R. Hmmm.

Gary Ruppert

Yeah, Scott Rasmussen is an evangelical conservative. A lot of pollsters can’t help but get in bed with the people they poll. Zogby is one example. Zogby’s family supports Obama.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

I figured that Zogby supported Obama. I also think that his outfit might fudge numbers.

After his NH polls turned out to be so wrong, he started being careful. I can’t remember which election it was (though I remember that it was after Super Tuesday), Zogby had an outlier poll predicting Clinton would lose a state that everyone else thought she’d win.

A few days later (the day before the election), Zogby put out another poll that was a lot closer to the rest of the pack.

I couldn’t help but wondering.

lute

Another thing that looks calculated, was their claiming that it looked very close, in states in which she had no chance.
It seems like this was done to get the Clintons to waste time campaigning in these states.

Clara Barton

Campaigns do their own internal polling and base their actions on these findings. I doubt they are relying on what they read from the biased national pollsters.

I’m glad to know about Rasmussen and Zogby. I’d love to see a good story done on all the polling firms after this election that exposes them for their bias and to see how far off the mark they were all the way through this race. Then we could decide who is most accurate and least biased for future races.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

John Zogby’s brother is James Zogby, president of American Arab Institute, heavily involved with Obama campaign.
Google James Zogby.

workingclass artist

Hmmmm……..veeery interestink….

nancysabet

Zogby is in tank with Hussien Obama because he is a Lebanize American and an advocate of Arab Americans, and often criticizes our pro-Israeli’s policies.

connie floyd

Now thats what I call honest reporting by rasmussen. No the media and their wh)*es are not trying to scew the election are they!!

Dawnelle

Hey {{Connie}} How’s the great Lone Star State?

Some one said something about forming another party earlier……. I think in a 3 way race, Barney is Perot.

Clinton wins again!!! LETS DO IT!

Gary Ruppert

Yeah, polling has Clinton winning 22% in a three-way matchup against Obama and McCain, and she can definately win as an Independent Democrat.

CognitiveDissonance

Gary, do you have a link to that poll? I’d be very interested in taking a look.

Gary Ruppert

Here you go: http://tinyurl.com/4mh94g (it’s a Rasmussen poll)

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Truthteller

That Clinton already enjoys the support of the majority of PA supporters is significant. How can Democrats ignore this data?

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Truthteller,

I wouldn’t even attempt to understand the minds of people like Howard Dean and Donna Brazile. INcidentally, have you seen the NQ commenter who came up with the handle “Donkey Brazziere”?

It still makes me laugh.

Anyway, I had contact with a superdelegate last week. I was incredibly polite, and he mentioned being relieved to have received an email from a Hillary supporter who wasn’t a “sore loser.”

Yes, even some superdels don’t grasp that the race is still going on. What does that tell you?

Then he went on to blast Hillary supporters who plan to support McCain if Obama becomes the nominee.

Thing is: I didn’t bring up any of that in my initial letter. He was just venting, and in a very emotional way.

Which brings me back to my point: I can’t fathom what’s going on in the minds of our DNC leaders, because I think there’s a lot of emotion fueling their thoughts and words.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Gary McGowan

I tend to suppose that, for the “still-up-for-grabs” superdelegates, their days must be somewhat like living in a heavily-trolled blog. Which is to try to say they are being pressured in all sorts of ways, subtle and not, all day long, months on end.

And they probably consume media and press heavily, too.

I wonder how many of them were born between about 1945 and 1957 (boomers), and thus have been subject to the shocks and cultural destruction all of their adult lives.

You said, “I can’t fathom what’s going on in the minds of our DNC leaders…” I think Senator Clinton (not to mention her husband) has some measure of what’s going on in their minds. She recently made a comment to the effect of, “and I don’t envy the position [they] are in.” She, by varying degrees of contrast, presently has the perspective which comes with firm principles, strength of character, and commitment to act in such a way as to bring about reform.

Nicole

What seems obvious is that there’s nothing “super” about many of the superdelegates. They haven’t done their research and/or are easily enticed by $$$$ and swayed by the promise of who knows what else. I doubt they will do the job they are supposed to do: exercise (supreme) judgement and save the Democrats from electing a GE loser.

The Democrats, if they don’t nominate Hillary, will implode. Maybe then there will be a do-over and the caucausing/superdelegate/open election primary fiascos will be once and forever dead.
http://deleted AnninCa

Apparently, more than a few of the undecided SDs have encouraged her to stay in. They are very concerned about his electability numbers, but there’s intense pressure to get on with the game, so to speak.

Ditto for her SDs who tell her to hold tight.

She didn’t need this bad publicity right now, but she’s human. The over-reaction means obviously that she’s hitting the sweet spot about voter rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BogJvgdH6eo&eurl=http://obamawho.wordpress.com/ Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

Was this super delegate that railed against “sore losers” named Vince Powers?

alibe4-Hillary

I called the DNC last week and was referred to as a sore loser. And I said I was not a sore loser but a Democrat that was still not over Gore’s loss in 2000. Feeling ticked off because an election was stolen is not equivalent to being a sore loser. This guy said that Hillary signed a statement saying that the votes of MI and Fl would not count. I challenged that statement and he went and got the “so called statement” and lo and behold, the statement he read to me stated that Hillary agreed not to campaign in FL and MI. Duh! This guy was now beginning to stutter. I then requested that he ask Howard to schedule a news conference to give the actual facts of the situation in FL and MI. He said he would. I then said to him that if Howard Dean refuses to have a press conference to give the facts of the case, (as the mainstream media has the facts wrong) you can assume that the primary process is rigged by Dean and Brazile. I think this gave him alot to think about.

http://deleted AnninCa

Amazing that they are having such inappropriate personal conversations with voters. Donna Brazile texted someone that HIllary’s supporters were “vile.”

I’ve never even remotely imagined the level of disrespect going on daily in this election. It’s appalling.

ONe of Hillary’s staffers DID agree to the FL/MI punishment. That is true.

At the time, nobody, not even Obama, could have predicted how close the race would be and how important this decision would become. Obama himself told FL supporters he would work to seat them.

So he’s lying a bit. Hillary’s exaggerating a bit. That’s politics.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Yes, his name is Vince. I forgot his last name. He was mostly polite to me (because I was super polite, factual and unemotional with him) BUT he ranted about other Hillary supporters in general.

I suspect — given the sore loser comment — that he is young. But I could be wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7J0f5TMrQ Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

Yeah he is an obama attack surrogate.

Accoring to Vince powers if you are not going to vote for obama you are a sore loser who does not care about the future of america.

HillaryMadamePresident

Superdelegates shouldn’t be making comments like that. A Superdelegates’ decision should be based, solely, on who can win the general election. It sounds like the SD you spoke to is incapable if making an unbiased decision.

Bud White

How did we need in up in this situation where we’re ALLEGEDLY stuck with a lemon of a candidate? The media. As Mark Halperin said months ago, the media is passionately behind Obama.

Gary McGowan

“How did we wind in up in this situation?”

Well, (as I think you know) it took some time and some doing.

Those would see the USA destroyed (or you can say the Hillary campaign destroyed), because it is the chief perceived potential threat to their plans for a free-trade, “globalist” empire run by cartels, and not by sovereign nation states regulating their looting, usury and genocide actions, will stop at nothing.

FDR (take out the more modern words) understood that very well. And he knew how to beat them. It’s still do-able, though more complex and different today.

Gary McGowan

When I was a young man, the citizens “owned the airwaves.” The FCC REGULATED them.

Indyvoter

I worry that the SD’s may not have the courage to vote for the candidate who can best defeat McCain. Sen. Byrd, at his age, must be hungry for the opportunity to absolve himself of his self-perceived past sins (Klan mambership) by endorsing BO. Such thinking from liberal members of the Millionaire Boys Club aka Senate says more about the selfishness of the Senator than it does about BO’s qualifications to be president and commander-in-chief, which are thin (he’s black) to non-existent (what has he done?).

We like favorable polls, but they are all over the place and can easily be skewed.

The primaries are not so easily dismissed. That Hillary will perform better in key swing states cannot be dismissed. Obama campaigned hard and spent record-breaking amounts of money in Ohio and PA and still lost by big margins.

On top of that, not fully counting the Michigan and Florida primaries wounds the Democratic Party’s chances in November considerably. I’m heartened by the Florida lawsuit against the DNC and Senator Levin’s stand for seating the Michigan delegation fully at the convention.

If that doesn’t give SD’s pause, and they need to absolve self-perceived past sins against blacks by nominating Obama, then this is a throwaway election to the Republicans.

http://deleted AnninCa

Here we go. Wheeeee*******

Republicans are now taking the head-to-head polling and obvious unelectability of Obama to heart.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10585.html

They are starting to smell blood.

Gary Ruppert

SurveyUSA is trying to shun Hillary too by refusing to put her in polls. They’re also trying to propup Obama by putting a ridiculous poll out where Obama gets 48%, with a sample of 52% of Democrats.

Think about it.. if Obama cannot win a percentage higher than the percentage of Democrats, how can he even have a HOPE of winning?

The media is realizing that Obama is the weaker candidate and they’re trying to screw Hillary out of what she earned.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Gary,

I used to respect SurveyUSA — until its execs decided to stop acknowledging Hillary. The whole thing is quite disgusting to me — and horrifying.

Gary Ruppert

Do we really know who is doing the work for SurveyUSA? it makes it harder to measure their agendas.

http://deleted AnninCa

There isn’t one. They get hired to do polls and are asked to measure this or that.

The fact is that nobody paid them to evaluate Hillary at this point.

I’m afraid this will happen more and more. She’s still in the game, but her presence will fade from the traditional stuff.

Tom Plumb

Given it is so corrupt, is that a bad thing, though?

If those power structures are so flawed, not only in their ability to accurately, and fairly estimate data, is it bad they are marginalized?

A great superpower can’t stand on the shoulders of cheating morons, a guy like K%% isn’t going to take America into the future, let’s be honest, he is not repsected for his intellect, none of them are.

The cheat because they can’t fight, they aren’t smart enough to win.

lute

if Obama is our nominee, I’m going to PA to campaign for McCain.

Gary Ruppert

Is your state not considered competitive enough? or are you seeking to make a difference?

Obama won’t crack 40% aganst McCain. America won’t pick a man who has aligned himself with Islamic terror in a year like 2008.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I agree. The republicans will scare the crap out of the electorate. That’s how these radicals gave us Nixon. Twice. By the time these left wing marxists were done bullying everybody, the people were rushing to the poles to vote against McGovern. You can’t bully somebody at the ballot.

Linda C.

I am not sure they don’t need to do anything else other than tell the truth for once. The truth is scary enough. Don’t even need the “whitey” comment if it exists.

http://www.illusionofjoy.net Seth Warren

You won’t have to. All of us “bitter” voters will do it for you (or some variation thereof).

karen for Clinton

yep, I live in North East Pennsylvania – NEPA.

Everybody here has Hillary as first choice, McCain as second choice. PA is RED if “mac vs ob” and BLUE if “Hill vs Mac”, the Philly area suburbs would be Mac’s as well.

Obama’s elites will drop off after the August, September, October devastating hits from the GOP.

Some AA’s will bitterly cling to him.

Lute and Seth, we will have the consolation of everyone being united to defeat obama for good.

GregA

Not that the Obama camp or RNC is looking for advice from a Hillary supporter like me, but the RNC will keep their powder dry until after August, then they will blanket the air waves with talk about Obamas tax plan, and his planned middle class tax increases. Obama loses 3-4 points in the national polls on that issue alone. Then after that campaign stops working they will profile people who will likely be in the Obama Whitehouse, and he loses anothe point or two, just a reminder of who Obama is… Finally a week or so before the election they will run some Willie Hortonesque add campaign that will totally set the Obamacrats off on one of these race card tirades, an issue where they think they are strong but in middle america are actually quite weak, that will finish off the swing states.

Karl Rove (or whoever is doing that job nowdays) is rubbing his hands together on how easy this guy will be to beat in a national campaign.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I noticed that Obama lost the upscale PA counties handily. That must have been a shock to him, since he things that all rich, educated upscale people adore him. He lost Bucks county 62-38.

CNN reported he lost the “latte swizlers” in PA too. 54-46. Reason? Women professionals.

Can’t wait to see a commercial on his vibrating cell phone. I bet the republicans suck up to women this time around. Will be fun to watch.

Mary

I heard Rendell say on CNN that of all the Republicans that crossed over to vote Democratic in Pennsylvania, 40% of them were Republican WOMEN voting for Hillary.

That’s a stunning number the DNC must think about.

jwrjr

I am registered “unaffiliated”. So no matter what Dean does, Obama is not my candidate.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Independents are smart. Both parties have to suck up to them to get their votes. I suspect there will be a wave of them registering this year. Who knows? They might become a party. Wouldn’t that be something? A party of people neither of the other two represents.

Andy

This is the meme throughout the media. Obama’s cue is it’s me and McCain; period. And all the sheep are following. Charlie Rose has had guests for dyas now and it is always Obama, McCain HRC is not even mentioned; at all. Even a commentator on BBC said HRC’s comments were desperate : uh?

This is subversion of a democratic process by the media,the polling agencies and the Obama campaign.

usedmeat

Yet in spite of all this she is the candidate real Democrats prefer. I’ll bet this fact makes the usual suspects tear their hair out in frustration. Anybody know where I can get a copy of the Hair Club for Men membership list? I want to see if Kos&Josh, Keith Obama, and Chris Matthews are members.

Gary Ruppert

Kermit “Kos” Moultisas doesn’t have enough hair to be in the Hair Club for Men.

Clinton has more votes, and yet she is gonna get robbed by the same old gang of male idiots.

usedmeat

How about on his palms?

bwana

pfffft. who cares? clinton won’t be on the ballot in november. she’s done like a dinner.

usedmeat

and obama won’t be in the White House come Feburary. The closest he will get is when he attends one of John McCain’s inaugural balls.

Gary Ruppert

They’d let someone like Obama into the White House? they must have lax security standards.

usedmeat

Hi will be invited to the one held in a rented fire hall in East Podunk so no prob with security.

http://www.obama-is-toast.com Dear patriotic billionaire: please up the bounty on the video to 10 million!

There you go again counting her out yet she still stands tall and a whole lot tougher than you and your wannabe deity-in-chief Obama. She will make to the convention to challenge Obama. The question is, will Obama make it there to challenge her?
http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Bwana,

Time will tell.

bwana

The hour hath tolled twelve. Lovers, to bed. ‘Tis almost fairy time.

time’s up, bubba.

http://www.thank-you-patriotic-billionaire.com Dear patriotic billionaire: please up the bounty on the video to 10 million!

You are repeating yourself again. Can you provide any information or just “its over” all the time? You trolls have been repeating that for a very long time yet Hillary is poised to make it all the way to the convention for a fight.

bwana

okay. she goes to the convention. so what? lots of dems are going to the convention.

http://www.thank-you-patriotic-billionaire.com Dear patriotic billionaire: please up the bounty on the video to 10 million!

I said “for a fight.” Please read before you troll. The fight for the nomination.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Very poetically put, but inaccurate. Obama has not been formally named the nominee.
Mary

Come back when Obama has the 2210 delegates to win.

He’s not there, yet.

workingclass artist

BWANA IS IN GAZA….MAKES NO DIFF WHAT THE SLUT SAYS…nuff said

Tom Plumb

Because you say so?

No.

Nice try, though, ever think about running a war?

This is the exact method they used to manage the press in 2000, sell the war in 2003, and now against Clinton, their using it to nullify her candidacy, HER WIN of the democratic primary.

And yet, their agenda, so many wars, so little money.

Why?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Hasn’t worked out to well for them, despite their delusions.

And really, what IS the damage count?

Too afraid, and delusional to face the truth.

Oh, no, that’s not a crack in the facade, really.

Shitheads.

Careful what you believe.

To the convention, Hillary, you are fighting for the American people, they are disenfranchising our votes for you, same as with Gore, you WON.

Let’s fight them, this time, and keep fighting them.

Indyvoter

More MSM madness.

What they report is what they want.
Check out the Memorandum link.
Lots of right-wing articles.
The right wants to run against Obama, and they spent a lot of money on pundits salaries to puff him up and make that happen! The left and all Democrats, according to the Establishment Playbook will be defined by Obama and his supporters. See how “Crooks and Liars” was featured on that site?

But if Clinton gets the nod, they’ll have to report on her victory and face up to it; they can’t completely control what happens. Just like when CNN and MSNBC had to report reluctantly on her victories and Fox had to start vetting Obama so that he would be sufficiently softened up for McCain.

I feel sad about the bias of the media, but isn’t it amazing how well she’s doing in spite of the onslaught? I’m so proud of her and proud of us for seeing through this latest scam on the American public.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

You’re right: it IS amazing that she has done so well — given some of the forces working against her.

Gary McGowan

Agreed. We must remember that (for example) the great cathedrals were built “against” the powerful forces of gravity, and still stand today.

Hey, pal, whatcha doin?

Bricklayen’

And you, buddy?

I’m building a cathedral.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

This is because the masses trust the media even less than they trust politicians. Besides, when something is overdone, it serves as a anger-stimulus, not to mention it piques sympathy. These press jerks are real dumbos preaching to their own choir. It’s like Keith Olberman. You think rural people or people over 40 watch him? You think seniors watch him? Baby boomers? These are HUGE voting blocks. He’s got a choir. Everybody else watches Dobbs–or just the nightly news while they eat supper. That’s the reality of America.

Gary McGowan

So besides the media dumbos preaching to their own choir, what are the main forces working against Hillary? Anyone?

Tom Plumb

How much money is invested in the war, and who owns our business community?

And sometimes politics has far less to do with good decisions, and more to do with “weekend in Vegas.”

The US government being Vegas.

Millionaires and billionaires see things a little different, they invest in politicians as a part of power structuring, let’s be real, here.

And I have to laugh, for all the blame the Jews get, it looks more like it’s Arab oil money driving the damn thing.

Remember how badly the press sold Iraq, still is?

They’re doing the same thing with Clinton.

workingclass artist

Yes but anti-semiticism has a proven success record…and it is growing world wide….( sigh )

http://deleted AnninCa

Frankly, they mostly watch local news, not these guys. At least in CA, the local news is dinnertime. I never watch the shows you guys talk about. The only time I’ve ever seen any of them is on UTUBE on-line, and that’s just bits and pieces.

They seem shrill and irrational to me. Sort of like listening to Greta talk about Howard K. Stern/Anna Nicole Smith story. Remember that horrible press smear? Not a single rumor proved true, but the rumor-leeches in the press turned rumors into a destruction machine. That was when Maria Shriver bailed out of media altogether it was so bad.

This business of turning small stuff into bashing on TV is exactly the same and equally repugnant.

Hillary Fan

Being from PA, I can vouch for the fact that most people are for Hillary!
I campaigned for her and will do so in the general election – or promote McCain if needed.
We only had one Obama person come to our house during the primary.
Their Opening line: “Hi, I’m canvasing on behalf or Barack Obama. Is there anything you would like to know about him? Are there any myths I can dispell?”

I asked them to fill me in on Larry Sinclair. When they pretended to not know what I was talking about I said, “Okay, then fill me in on the dead, gay, choirmaster.” Needless to say the visit wasn’t long.

Gary Ruppert

Obama’s sexual relationship with Jeremiah Wright has also been alluded to, and one can guess that if there is homosexual activity involving high ranking Trinity officials, Obama and Wright might be connected in a lot of ways.

One person who has noted this is the Rev. James David Manning of Atlah Church.

Gary McGowan

But even if he is a sterling, faithful family man, Obama is not qualified to win the presidency as the Democratic candidate, and he is not qualified to be president and commander in chief.

To be honest, I think comments about Obama’s alleged sexual activities are not necessary.

karen for Clinton

Agree, there is enough to talk about what with the Rezko style wheeling and dealing, the Ayers movement brainwashing, and the Wright racist anti-american hate speech and the Exelon selling his constituents out and the Killer Spin ping pong gate and all the other gates.

The one thing about him that keeps hitting home here is how “Obama knows his way around a Ballot” and the story of Alice Palmer.

Hillary is not Alice Palmer, Hillary is national. He couldn’t remove her name from ALL the ballots but he sure did manage to get Brazile to do his dirty work for him in Florida and knee cap Hillary there and he sure did manage to remove her name for the most part in all those strong arm caucuses.

Buying the media and the superdelegates off is just the icing on the crap cake the elites ate.

Tom Plumb

I disagree, Obama has shown himself to be anti gay, and this marks him as a hypocrite.

The platform of those virulent anti semitics is also anti gay, the African dictators, and such, Obama has aligned himself with are Hitlerian in scope, again, LOOK at Odinga.

The issue is relevant.

And what if the future first lady can’t stay away from the down low, or low down, either?

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

I also agree re: the sexual stuff. Frankly, I have trouble believing that Rev. Wright is homosexual. I mean, he did steal a parishioner’s wife.

I know, it could have all been for show, but…

That and Obama had a very good reason to stay at Wright’s church: the parish numbers in the thousands, which was a good network for Obama when he ran for state offices.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Are there any myths I can dispell?”

Who the heck advised them to ask that? That’s a dumb question to ask door to door. It creates suspicion. Doh!

http://www.agust.com Agust304

The supers are looking at this and they are looking at this, that I posted on TM:

What is the Clinton JJ (June – July) strategy?

TV broadcasting companies and Cable news companies sell advertising. Their instant feedback rating systems tell them immediately what is holding viewers’ attention. When a segment pulls a lot of views they try to replicate it, just like they do with sitcoms. Clinton made her peace with her followup statement on RFK and Jr echoed it. If their (TV) continued running of this does not meet the original numbers today, they will find something else to run, even if they have to pick a fight between McCain and O, like they did this past week when Hillary was relatively quiet.

The Clinton strategy may be based on their keen understanding of how hungry the networks and especially the cable folks are for revenue. This campaign has become addictive to their bean counters. When Clinton goes relatively quiet for longer periods of time in late June and early July the MSM will have to fabricate more hit “shows.” With nothing else to dig up and regurgitate on Clinton they will start looking at the Larry Johnson library at !1/4 (http://noquarterusa.net/blog) and if, after reporting on one of the many issues his site has researched, the ratings improve then they will empty Larry’s catalogue out to the masses.

The GOP is not a monolithic single-headed structure, as some would believe. Tho they want to run against O and it would be in their best interest to hold their fire, some conservative pundits and attention starved elected officials will start to make statements. MSM will request responses from O. When he does not respond they will apply more pressure by digging deeper into Larry’s vault. Clinton, in the while, will be making modest campaign appearances to keep shoring up her support so that when the convention starts the polls will say O is 0 and the delegates will pick the winner still in good standing with the general populace, Hillary Clinton.

That’s my thought, and I approve of this plan.

Larry. Take all your stories and put them in easily downloadable zip files, by subject; Resko, Ayers; Iraq; Michelle. You know what to do. Make it easy for the media. You know you really don’t want them to work that hard on research. They might miss a botox session.

Speaking of botox. I had a reporter for the Tribune in Chicago tell me that he was told to kill a story because the ad guy from one of the campaigns told the paper that if bad stuff came out about his guy he would cut ads to their paper. He said he was told by a producer at WGN that this same campaign guy that unless all camera angles and zooms were approved by him that the station would not be invited to future events.

This sounds like a puffed-up image making tour affair to me. The guy? Ax.

BTW.

Week of March 9th, 2008 ratings for all cable tv shows:

1. College Basketball – Duke vs. NC (ESPN)
2. SpongeBob SquarePants (Nickelodeon)
3. Project Runway (Bravo)
4. WWE Monday Night RAW (USA)
5. WWE Monday Night RAW (USA)
6. SpongeBob SquarePants (Nickelodeon)
7. SpongeBob SquarePants (Nickelodeon)
8. SpongeBob SquarePants (Nickelodeon)
9. SpongeBob SquarePants (Nickelodeon)
10. Election Coverage (CNN)

Anyone watching cable news, and thinking America is, is just nuts. Each of these shows got less than 2M viewers. Idol got 30M. Stuff has to, and will, go mainstream.

http://deleted AnninCa

Thanks. That’s what I say. I don’t think America watches Keith O or Chris M.

Just the political junkies, and they watch to get mad. LOL* It’s a hobby hating the media.

Indyvoter

Another thought is that some big money/clients have put pressure on polling organizations to not include Clinton.

Wouldn’t want to sway SD’s to Clinton.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Indy,

This would not surprise me at all.

It’s like when govt agencies hire consultants to do a benefit cost analysis, and the consultants’ reports (invariably) happen to reflect favorably on whatever project the bureaucrats or elected officials want to undertake.
Mary

It’s the “Chicago way.”

And it has NOTHING to do with “new politics above the fray.”

HARP

I have thought for a long time that the polls were skewered in Obama`s favour.

Gary Ruppert

SurveyUSA had a poll where Obama was leading 49/42 over McCain in Ohio.

52% of people called in that poll were Democrats.

Basically SurveyUSA cooked the books to make Obama look better, when he has never held a real lead in Ohio, because Ohioans know the real Obama.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

He has often underperformed the polls in Primaries.

Indyvoter

10 days until Puerto Rico!

Count Michigan and Florida!

Gary Ruppert

Clinton has an insurmountable popular vote lead right now, and she seals it with a 500K vote victory in Puerto Rico.

It isn’t just hardworking whites that can’t trust Obama. Hispanics can’t trust him either.

Maybe they don’t trust Obama because Obama has never held an honest job in his life.
http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

AS a Floridian, I certainly agree with you about counting votes. The year 2000 is not that distant a memory for me.

Indyvoter

First rule of politics:
Define your opponent.
candymarl

I never read about the other part of the poll at all. The media that I’ve seen are only reporting the 45/43 numbers. Even some Hillary supporters, on other blogs, are quoting the 45/43 numbers unaware of the info buried in the report.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Candy,

Wow! So I was right when guessing that most people don’t get as far as the seventh paragraph.

It’s bad news, but I’m glad to know that I wasn’t in left field.

jyotinc

Let’s translate our madness in writing our superdelegates and use this as an evidence of media and gender bias.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

I wrote some superdelegates, and one responded. You probably don’t need to hear this, but I’d like to make the suggestion for anyone reading these comments.

I think, given the response I got to my VERY polite and unemotional piece, that keeping messages factual and polite is the way to go.

It’s just a thought.

http://touslesfelins.free.fr/photos/chat%20sauvage%20europe5.jpg chatsauvage

I know Obama lost the PA primary, even though he shattered all spending records of any political candidate in that state, but I did not realize he is that out of touch with Pennsylvania voters and values.

Barack Obama is out of touch.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

That would be one way of putting it.

My speculation is that Obama is so busy trying to appear to be something he’s not that he’s lost sight of who he really is and where he really stands.

Then again, maybe he doesn’t have many strong personal convictions. I don’t know him personally, so I’m only speculating.

stillife

I don’t think he ever knew who he really was. Aren’t his books all about his search for his identity? I think he’s a hollow man, all about political ambition and no principles. He doesn’t stand for anything but Obama. And that is why I will never vote for him.

Indyvoter

Has this been posted here? I don’t read Newsweek, but someone posted this at TalkLeft.

Newsweek poll sez:

Obama 46
McCain 46

Clinton 48
McCain 44

Newsweek notes:

Clinton’s white support [44%] is unusually high: at a comparable point in the 2004 election, Democratic nominee John Kerry received the support of 36 percent of white voters, compared to George W. Bush’s 48 percent, and in June of 2000, Bush led Al Gore 48 percent to 39 percent.
It appears that the issue is not so much Obama’s relative lack of appeal to white working class voters vis a vis typical Dems like Kerry (indeed, Obama exceeds Kerry’s white support), but rather it is Hillary Clinton’s strong appeal to that demographic. In other words, it is not that there is something wrong with Obama but that there is something RIGHT with Clinton.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/23/215931/722

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Thanks for the tip!
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

The Bradley affect has begun as well. The more TV talks about it, the more the Race Card is played, and it has been played ad nauseum already–the more the effect takes hold. The surrogates are cooking Obama’s goose for him.

workingclass artist

Hmmm…..I smell CRACKER POLITICAL BACKLASH….Folks are tired of hearin about this phony shit…they know the difference between real racism and this phony double standard bull shit….

http://deleted AnninCa

Absolutely. What’s nuts about this phony race dialogue is that Obama’s popularity is pretty obvious, and I’m sorry, but people are enjoying the cadence and methods of his AA preacher roots. It’s “exotic.” But mostly, I think it’s just sort of fun.

There’s no big race deal in our country. Otherwise, he’d never have gotten to first base! LOL*

The whole race argument has me laughing. What idiots.

Indyvoter

Good idea about writing Super Delegates.
http://777denny.wordpress.com/ Denny

How about whatever AMERICA wants?

BTW, I have put NO QUARTER on my ‘Anybody But Obama’ blogroll. Please inform me if you object to this.

Thank you.
stillife

The PA numbers do not surprise me. Kerry barely won PA in 2004. Obama’s a weaker candidate than Kerry and McCain is stronger than Bush (more likely to appeal to conservative Dems and Indys).

This is purely anecdotal, but my son lives in PA and he’s convinced that in an Obama/McCain match-up, McCain will carry PA. Obama would have to expend lots of resources in PA that Hillary would not have to.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Good point Stillife. I held my nose when I voted for Kerry. It’s not that I liked anything about him, I just despised Bush. Bush isn’t on the ballot this time.

stillife

I did the same thing in 2004, Uppity. And I begged my son to vote for Kerry since he lives in a swing state so his vote is more important than mine (I’m in NY). He did.

Well, this year, if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, he’s voting for McCain. And I won’t do a damn thing to try and dissuade him! That’s just how disgusted I am with Obama.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com **== President & Commander -in-Chief Hillary Clinton **==

Obama makes McCain look great but I don’t even like McCain. This is all the more reason to keep fighting for Hillary!

“Pony up or perish!”

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

That’s the thing with swing states. They have no problem going republican if they don’t feel comfortable. Ohio, PA, Florida, Michigan are like that. All those damned Old People! And “Bitter Hicks”!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

You know, McCain acts like he’s half asleep half the time and here he is this early in the race running within margins of error in states that usually love Democrats. Early polls like that for a Republican tell me all sorts of things. Damn if Obama isn’t Dukakis all over again for us. This is supposed to be a Spike time for a “new fresh face”. The swiftboats haven’t even arrived yet and these numbers are the omen.

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Uppity,

I agree about the omen.

As for McCain, for years he has been mis-perceived as a liberal and maverick. Many people think “campaign-finance” reform but don’t remember Keating 5.

That said, I think the mis-perception will help McCain draw support from both NPAs and Dems.

I don’t think that Obama can undo the years-old positive mis-perceptions of McCain in a few short months. If Obama tries, he’ll just look like a mean, snot-nosed upstart.

brandy

Zogby has been a regular blogger at Huff&Puff since 2005.

Oh, and he had Obama winning California by 13% before Super Tuesday.

Ha.

Zogby is too crammed in Obama’s arse to conduct a legitimate poll.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

That’s his brother Jim Zobgy. Heavily involved with Obama. Nuff said.
http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Brandy,

An excellent point. Zogby has a bad track record this year, which made me question its actual methods.

Before Ohio, I started questioning Zogby’s objectivity because of schizophrenic poll results. On the date of Ohio’s and Texas’ primaries, I did a piece at Buck Naked Politics Called: “Today Zogby’s Poll Quite Different from Yesterday’s.”

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/todays-zogby-po.html

The upshot:

A Zogby poll (Feb 29 – Mar 2) put Obama ahead of Clinton by 2 points in OHIO. Most other polls had Clinton solidly winning Ohio.

On March 4, Zogby released a new poll (taken Mar 1-3) that put Clinton and Obama both at 44%, a net gain of 2 points for Clinton.

I suppose one might appear less wrong by predicting a tie.

If only Zog’s Ohio poll had changed, I would have thought less of it.

But Zogby also did a new poll for Texas: the earlier one had Obama ahead 47%-45%; the one that was a few days newer had Clinton ahead 47% – 44%, a net gain of 6 points for Clinton.

Eurogirl70

I thought that people posting over here should see this. Supercrone, over at Taylor Marsh’s site posted the following:

Do We Really Need a Female President?
| Hillary Clinton’s defeat may set back the election of a female president. But who cares?

Here’s the direct link to the page. I didn’t read more than a few of the comments, but feel free if you need an extra dollop of outrage this morning.

http://tinyurl.com/4pge7m

There is your MSM in action!
brandy

If Obama had ANY chance of winning the working class,that moment has passed.

Reverend Wright and bittergate sent a vast majority of that core group packing, and for good.

He’ll lose the rest of them as stories of Rezko, Auchi, and other unsavory folks go mainstream.

Cable needs viewers, and when there are scandalous stories like this in the wings, well, expect a lot of it to come out this summer–when most television shows are on hiatus.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Veterans commercial planned for Obama. Discusses how Obama wasn’t available to meet with combat veterans.
http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/multimedia/details.aspx?id=278

Ga6thDem

This is a deadly commercial. Obama will meet with sponsors of terrorism but not Iraq war vets? Oh wow.

lute

I was flabbergasted when I opened the NYT this morning.
They had that RFK nonsense on the front page.

It’s been obvious for quite a while that the paper has been
bought off by corporate money.

There is a dire need for an independent progressive newspaper
to replace the NYT.
brandy

That’s some audacity on the NYT’s part.

I mean, after Reverend Wright’s comments about 9/11 and all of Obama’s inconsistent answers regarding whether or not Obama had ever heard one of Wright’s inflammatory sermons…

I hope that after Wright broke, the NYT put Wright/Obama on the cover with the appropriate headline–you know, how America deserved 9/11.

I don’t read the NYT any more. I canceled my subscription once I realized that it was in the tank for Obama.
AC-n-NC

Letter I sent to the newspapers in the state and the DNC.
“As a life long member of the Democratic party, I have 4 main reasons why I will not vote for Barack Hussein Obama if he is on the ballot in the General Election. Not that my voice means that much to the DNC anymore, they have a new and exciting party where the white working class is not important and as needed (Donna Brazil on CNN also DNC rules member) and it seems that the Howard Dean controlled DNC and the Media already have a winner picked for us anyway. The fact that Hillary Clinton keeps winning primaries by 2 to 1 margins is just an inconvenient fact, move along we have picked out who you will choice from. The fact Hillary Clinton leads in the popular vote even if you don’t count 2 of the biggest states she has won (MI and FL), Barack Hussein Obama took his name off in MI , grown man , his choice. Kinda typical really , a woman will still fight through with one arm tied behind her back (MI and FL), against the tide (the Media and the DNC telling her to drop out when she is winning), making her work twice as hard(suppressing the vote in upcoming primary states by saying they have chosen the winner and no need to continue) and still winning the popular vote totals. But my reasons for not supporting the DNC and the Press in their choice for the Democratic Nominee is:
1.Rezko is the indicted political fixer, friend, supporter , mentor to Barack Hussein Obama.
2.William Ayers is an unrepentant domestic terrorist, (Weather Underground, Timothy McVeigh style), friend supporter , mentor to Barack Hussein Obama. Fox news showed pictures of Ayers standing on a flag, that will go over good in the General Election.
3. Aiham Alsammarae former Iraqi Minister of Electricity convicted of stealing $650 million from Iraqi reconstruction funds who is a long-time Rezko friend (70′s)and business ,When Alsammarae was incarcerated in Baghdad’s Green Zone in fall 2006, Alsammarae’s family contacted Obama for his help in freeing Alsammarae.
4. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, no way to defend sitting in the pews and listening to the hatred spewed forth for 20 years. The Church services I have attended, many denominations, never once said “No don’t sing God Bless America but God D**n America”.Never once heard the Preacher sound more like a Militant Political Leader instead of a Man of God.
5. Michelle Obama saying “I am proud of America for the first time in my adult life”, whether she really meant it or not, we will see ads of her saying it 30 times a day in the General Election.
All of these reasons, with further investigation(which will not happen with the Press so in the tank for Barack Hussein Obama), may end up being coincidences, bad judgements in friends and business and slips of the tongues, which is what you get with an un-vetted candidate that the DNC and the Media are trying to shove down our collective throats. Well this is one democrat that will not defend the DNC on Howard deans’ choice of a nominee or on the disenfranchisement of 2 key states that voted in record turnouts but they went for Hillary so they do not count. At least 5 states moved up votes, the DNC was only afraid of MI and FL because polling showed Hillary would win. Any vote suppression is unacceptable and shameful period ! On June 2nd I think you could see a increase in Independent Party affiliation changes.”

I will write a letter to the editor a day, easy really with all the corruption associated with Obama’s friends and supporters.
brandy

Last post for the day on Zogby, but I just read this on Wikipedia, and it really feels like deja vu all over again.

key words

–any candidate who is not Bush (Obama’s strategy)
–Zogby says that voters “wanted change” (change really has been around a long time)
–Kerry would win because of undecided voters (too bad Kerry didn’t win, he turned out to be such a stand up guy and all-ha)

“Before polls had even closed in the 2004 presidential election, Zogby predicted a comfortable win for John Kerry (311 electoral votes, versus 213 for Bush, with 14 too close to call), saying that “Bush had this election lost a long time ago,” adding that voters wanted a change and would vote for “any candidate who was not Bush.”
…

“While on The Daily Show With Jon Stewart, he said he felt that Kerry would win due to the undecided voters. Zogby later released a “mea culpa” in which he stated “I will do better next time: I will just poll, not predict.”

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I just automatically rule out his polls because of his brother’s affiliations and involvement in Obama’s campaign. He’s been way off all year.

HomeRow

Is this Sean Hannity’s blog? Have I stumbled into a circle jerk led by Bill O’Reilly? I spend my days having to plow through the worst of the worst on FreeRepublic and LGF, and I have to admit, you guys take the cake.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a hysterical angry mob, feasting on each new poll number and conspiracy theory like so many lunatic cannibals. Maybe at Daily Kos. Maybe at FreeRepublic.

But the quality and character of what passes for analysis and reportage here takes the cake. You guys are already working from Karl Rove’s playbook and talking points.

Not to mention the blackouts or spinning or random blame-assessment (it’s anyone but Hillary’s fault! Harold Ickes can do no wrong!) and furious spin that comes with any story that looks objectively bad for Hillary.

I supported Hillary and voted for her. I wanted her to win. But there’s no way for her to win without destroying the party. Is your argument that Obama winning will somehow destroy it more? That defies credulity. I don’t care if she stays in or out– that’s her decision. But the anti-Obama, pro-McCain poison here is madness.

Linda C.

This race is so close and not to let it play out will destroy the party. The SD’s have a hard choice and they need to be accountable.

Obama is not acceptable to many members of the party. Also the party leaders along with Obama have not endeared themselves to those who disagree. At this stage, we are becoming less convinced to vote for him. There is more than a problem here than accusing Hillary Clinton of destroying the party.

workingclass artist

there is no democratic party to destroy…as proven by the crimes of the DNC OGLIARCHY….AND FASCIST OBAMA

StatBabe

I agree with you about the pro-McBush crowd. I, too, supported Hillary Clinton, but the numbers are the numbers. And while there is still a remote possibility for Hillary Clinton to become the nominee, it’s not likely! There is NO WAY IN HELL that I will vote for McBush. But I can honestly say that if Obama does not offer the VP slot to Hillary, I will NOT vote for Obama either. If Obama had not played the “race card” before South Carolina, he would be toast by now. For that matter, if the Wright videos had surfaced BEFORE most of the primaries and caucuses had taken place, Obama would be toast.

Unfortunately, I honestly believe that Obama without Hillary will lose an election in November that SHOULD be an easy Democratic victory! And I do not need any polls from Rasmussen, Zogby, Gallup or anywhere else to inform that opinion. I can look at the damn electoral map! I also know that Obama is in trouble here in Massachusetts with Obama and McBush in a statistical tie in the polls that I have seen. As Democratic as Massachusetts is, that spells real trouble for Obama. And no, Kerry and Kennedy will NOT “fix” his problem in Massachusetts. Nor will Obama’s problem with Jews be fixed by empty promises that he will stand firmly behind Israel–he better have a running mate that has a proven record on Israel–someone like Hillary.

All-in-all, if I were David Axelrod, I would be trying to figure out a way to “make nice” with Hillary and put her on the ticket. That is Obama’s ONLY winning move that I can see. AT A MINIMUM, Hillary should be given the option of the VP slot. If Obama rules her out for whatever reason, there will be hell to pay! Even the worst “Obama haters” on this blog would certainly vote for an Obama-Clinton ticket. I would, and I would do so enthusiastically.

Donkey Brazziere

NOT ME
swannyj

Oh you are so wrong. Most Hillary supporters will definitely NOT vote for Obama if Hillary is VP. Many of the women would consider it a slap in the face.

Tom Plumb

He’s corrupt, Obama is corrupt.
workingclass artist

agree with you DK and swannyj can you imagine the farce that would insue ?
After 6 mos. in office it would become so painfully clear how inept OBAMA would be that the congress would end up sidestepping him and consuling her…LOL….While Meeeeechelle throws tantrums !

*** OBAMA IS UNFIT FOR ANY ELECTIVE OFFICE ***

StatBabe

After 6 mos. in office it would become so painfully clear how inept OBAMA would be that the congress would end up sidestepping him and consuling her…LOL….While Meeeeechelle throws tantrums !

Which is precisely WHY I would enthusiastically support the ticket!

Frankly, I think that we would probably be better off if Hillary stayed in the U.S. Senate to be a thorn in Obama’s side, should he manage to be elected. But like Diane Feinstein, I think that Hillary has EARNED the right to be on the ticket, if she wants that (which it would appear that she does, given Bill Clinton’s lobbying on her behalf for that position).

It amazes me that so many would actually vote for McBush rather than support an Obama-Clinton ticket–especially when some of you obviously recognize who would actually be running things, if they were elected–it sure as hell would not be Obama!

http://deleted AnninCa

Yes, that’s precisely what the point is. Supporting the current party leadership would be a vote for continued back-room deals and lies to the public.

The way this primary was handled, it’s clear that many just wanted a president in their pocket. They abused their power and positions and shoved Hillary out, while pretending to be neutral.

That means the party itself is operating off of corrupt principles.

Yes, you figured out the reason for the no Obama voters here.
Tom Plumb

These are general statements, you’re doing nothing but throwing out cliched garbage.

Why would anyone think you were anything but a troll?

Or a moron?

Or a moron troll?
nancysabet

Slow down please1! who is destroying the party? certainly it’s not Hillary! Obama has turned out to be one of the most divisive political figures since Nixon.The candidate who said he has this great talent for unifying people, a talent that shows up nowhere in his past, has created more divisiveness in the Democratic party than any figure in history.But the issue that has caused one of the most serious divisions is the one that Obama himself has created over race.

brandy

Great letter AC.

At some point, Obama is going to have to directly address these associations without evoking that hokey “not guilty by assocation” buzz phrase.

Can you see Obama in talks with someone like President Musharraf?

“Al Qaeda is a small threat. I mean, grave threat,” and then flustered “I just want to eat my Sheer Khurma!”

If Iran is a small threat one day, and a grave threat the next, I wonder how Al Qaeda will fare.
Dawnelle

I Just HOPE (yes I said it) that this blog (like so many before it) doesn’t now try to DIVIDE UP THOSE OF US WILLING TO VOTE AND THOSE OF US NOT WILLING TO VOTE for a unity ticket.

ALL THIS DIVISIVE shit is getting old from all sides!!

jmo

swannyj

If you think discussions here are divisive wait and see what happens IF it is announced Obama is the nominee. There’s going to a lot of action on the McCain website!

Tom Plumb

Obama is corrupt, I would never vote for him, under any circumstances.

Why would I put an incompetent criminal no nothing, who steals from the public, and maybe worse, in the White House?

Am I missing something here, or are you all smarter than me?

BTW, great BBQ music this weekend is “Southern Culture on the Skids.”

Banana Puddin…

http://deleted AnninCa

Move weekend here with friends. Last night, The Chronicles of Narnia. Not as good as the first one, but charming.

Not sure about tonight yet.

It’s chilly and wet here, so no barbeques…although I see the sun peeking through finally.

Tom Plumb

This is one of the cooler Memorial Days, isn’t it?

I hope it gets warmer, soon.

I like my autumn AFTER the summer, not before…

Dawnelle

I would not vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket because of OBAMA

If the forces that be – manage to force this as an ONLY option

I will vote for it MOSTLY because I actually DO trust Hillary and think she would have decided that was her only chance to ride out the STORM called “OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED”

perhaps it would take a YEAR to get all action started and he’d be in the white house by then OR NOT but by then HILLARY’s chance for TODAY is gone.

TODAY is all we really have. planning for 2012 is just JUNK (imo) I’m sure all their plans leading up to TODAY have been totally upside down………. so lets ride the wave and see where it takes us. If she chooses it. I will vote for it. Many things can happen. I vote for Hillary.

Tom Plumb

I will not vote for a ticket with Obama on it, it’s a matter of conscious, I would sooner vote for a incompetent, befuddled, Hitler.

But I won’t vote for McCain, either.

Tom Plumb

conscience, sorry.

I’m with stupid, today.

I need more coffee, I guess.

pammc

can you see the FIGHT on the convention floor ? Hillary goes first and lays down the popular vote, the electrol ? map ang all the swing states. Bo wets his pants and runs home to his “sweetie”

Five Thirty

Comment by pammc | 2008-05-24 09:41:49 can you see the FIGHT on the convention floor ?

It will be like nothing we’ve seen before. Too bad we will have to endure the insipid MSM commentaries full of the most cringe-making cliches!

glennmcgahhee

Oh, the pandering and the press ate up all of Obama down here in Florida. What a success, what an inspiration. Hardly any mention of the fact that he discounts our votes and refused to let us vote again. The only acceptable thing from his camp was for Florida to have a “Caucus”. Then , in his appearance in my county, Broward, he kept saying how happy he was to be in Sunshine. The name of the town is Sunrise , Florida, but he got that wrong. Pandered to the Cubam community that he wouldn’t lift the Cuban embargo. He said he would lift the embargo as little as 4 weeks ago. The media never mentioned his ties to Arab moneymen in Chicago as he pandered to the jewish coalition. He does walk on water. People project onto him, things they want to beleive and dismiss the reality. The press is to blame and I wonder what will happen when the vetting really begins. People will be so confused about why they haven’t heard these things before. Hard working people do not have time to spend on the internet and they definitely don’t read newspapers anymore. They do know who won american Idol however. Even I do although I’ve never watched the show.

http://deleted AnninCa

I saw he got some good press there, off-setting the previous day’s protests.

Schizophrenic, eh? LOL*

sweetie

Also from Rasmussen:

“A separate national survey found that the number of Democrats who want Clinton to drop out of the race has declined over the last ten days. Data like this helps explain why Barack Obama is now entering the most perilous phase of his campaign. The way that he finally resolves the challenge from Senator Clinton may determine who moves into the White House next January.”

http://deleted AnninCa

Ah, now we see the Republican talk.

She’ll get great press for awhile from those guys.

http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Mary Jo Kopechne

Susan, Uppity? Someone should take this shit on.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121158263717018571.html?mod=loomia&loomia_si=t0:a31:g2:r1:c0.0496602
Jonna

Well…Rasmussen is known to be a poller biased to the left side. Their bias in 2004 was roughly 4% points to the left. What this means is that both polls (McCain v. Hillary AND McCain v. Obama) are likely biased to the left. So you need to remember this whenever using Rasmusen. Or Gallup. Or ABC. Etc.

You have to do a comparison of poll results to election results and calculate a % bias from 0 for either left or right. If you do this for every major pollster for recent elections, you’ll find that SurveyUSA is the closest to having a 0 bias. And, recently, with the NC and OR polls, they have missed badly with a high bias to the right side.
nancysabet

I just called rasmussen and let them know what I thought about this report. Call, here is the info. enough is enough.

Phone: 732-776-9777

Email: info@rasmussenreports.com
Dawnelle

Awww
(on a lighter note)

Youngster charms Clinton in Brandon

By Alica P. Thiele

apthiele@argusleader.com

May 23. 2008 3:08PM
A young girl in Brandon knew how to impress Sen. Hillary Clinton Friday afternoon.

When Clinton had finished her prepared remarks to a crowd at Sunshine Foods she opened the session to questions and answers.

The girl, named Emily, raised her hand for some time before being called on by the candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“How did you get so pretty?” the young girl asked.

“I love South Dakota,” Clinton responded and then asked the youngster to join her in front of the crowd of about 200 in the produce section at the store.
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http://360.yahoo.com/ommotherlifeforce fred heidrick

PA has seen a lot of con men, and we know a shyster when we see one.from ohio origonaly but if you have open eyes, obama looks prity patthetic cant believe west coast people cant see this.

rich people are republicans and republicans controle the media, american pravda
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I wouldn’t exactly call them a swing state would you?
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Can’t wait to see the commercials. You?
Mary

If the only thing Obama has in November is “I’m not Bush or McCain,” Fosbach, he’ll lose in a landslide.

It’s not enough.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

It’s May.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

It’s not a threat. It’s a promise.

Obama would get an early spike as would any nominee once selected. The truth of the tale comes after the swiftboats. Obama has major voting blocks that will not in the end give him their majorities. He will also suffer the bradley effect, especially since he insulted rural people and blue collar workers. Obama will never be president. He is McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis and kerry all over again. That’s why we can’t elect democratic presidents. The only reason kerry ALMOST won is because most all democrats hated Bush, even the moderate ones. The majority of this party is moderate and the sooner the radical left realizes it, the sooner we can do better than electing 2 presidents every thirty years.
http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/03/media-obama-goo.html D. Cupples

Fosbach,

On what are you basing the speculation that Obama would be far ahead of McCain in November?

Frankly, I’m about to speculate too. We all are speculating, so I’m NOT saying that you’re wrong for doing it.

The problem is that reasonable speculations can be made in opposite directions.

My speculation: if nominated, Obama would have an up hill battle, because Hillary has roughly 50% of the Dems’ support (give or take a few, but it’s close).

Recent polls indicate that the Hillary supporters willing to stay home or vote for McCain (if Obama is the nominee) number in the 40% range.

Even if half of them were to cool off by November, that still leaves 20-some-percent of Hillary voters who would stay home or vote McCain(i.e., millions of voters).

That COULD happen. Spoiler candidates have robbed a party of an election with less than 20% of the vote. It all depends on the geographical distribution.

That’s why Obama needs to count Hillary supporters if he becomes the nominee, which brings me to my final point.

When Obama supporters wax ugly or arrogant (NOT that all of them do), it doesn’t persuade many Hillary voters to support Obama. In fact, it fuels the resentment they have against him.

It’s Campaigning 101: you get more votes via civility. That’s why all candidates bend over backwards trying to not offend anyone.
http://deleted AnninCa

That statistic should be right. Even in KY a majority of voters said that they assumed Obama would be the nominee, so CA is reflecting that acceptance.

That should be the trend in polling by now, but what’s more interesting is it is not. He is the presumptive nominee. He’s losing to McCain right now in states where he needs to win, such as Nevada. He really tanked in NC.

Spells trouble.

Unfortunately, he’s dug his hole even deeper with the foreign diplomacy discussion with McCain. I presume he was trying to take the focus off of the nomination race. However, it’s turned into a lesson in how McCain will beat him in the Fall.

He’s downright scary in his naivetee.
Tom Plumb

I disagree.
Eurogirl70

Get a clue. European involvement in the area stretches back 80 years to the Treaty of Versailles and the creation of Iraq at the hands of the British.

The creation of the state of Israel, and the leaders who reluctantly backed its creation; like Truman, saw it as their mea culpa for rampant anti-semitism here in America and Europe that spurred on a evil psycho like Hitler who almost wiped out the entire Jewish population of Europe. Those who were left, and rightfully so, no longer wanted to call the countries of Europe home. Can anyone simply go into another region of the world, plant a flag, and not believe that there will be long term repurcussions? No. However, it was the Eisenhower administration (Republican’s) who decided to overthrow a democratically elected president in Iran and install the Sha. It was a Democratic President (Bill Clinton) who saved the muslims in Bosnia from genocide. It certainly wasn’t for access t oil. But your guy, Obama, who still touts his one-anti war speech, want’s to keep mercenaries like Blackwater in Iraq and says that he would have no problems taking unilateral action in Pakistan (without Congressional or UN approval). This past November, after “Mr. Hope” stuck his foot in his mouth with that one, there were massive riots on the streets of Islamabad and over 100 protesters were killed. So much for “a new kind of politics”.

Stick a fork in him folks he’s done! Try the pot roast, I’ll be here all week!!
workingclass artist

Gee Fosdick…you sound just like a patriotic GAZA TERRORIST…HOW TYPICAL OF OBAMA’S SUPPORTERS…AND WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR IGNORANT FASCIST OPINION…. IT’S NOT LIKE IT’S INTELLIGENT…FUCK YOURSELF AS OBVIOUSLY NO ONE ELSE WOULD FUCK YOU….
HillaryMadamePresident

You must not be an American. What a repulsive comment. However, keep saying it. Americans need to know what Jeremiah Wright and YOU think…as Obama supporters.
Tom Plumb

In regard to the polling, I think the whole thing, from how the reporters think, and skew, to the numbers they pop up, is essentially a load of shi*.

But it affects everything from not only how the public might view the campaign, but also how Obama’s people view the campaign, unintended collateral damage.

So you skew numbers, you screw yourselves, too.

And it shows, look at the quality of decision maker we have.

We don’t have quality decision makers.

Dumbest things I have seen.
Tom Plumb

Can anyone simply go into another region of the world, plant a flag, and not believe that there will be long term repurcussions? No

I agree, so why did they, and why there?

I remember reading a biography of Kennedy, who wrote, at the time, there would be problems, and sure enough, there were.

So, why was this given so little thought, as to possible contingencies?
workingclass artist

ACTUALLY….EUROPEAN INVOLVMENT STRETCHES BACK TO ROMAN OCCUPATION….One cannot get the full picture unless you look at ALL of it.The current situation is a result of the fall of the Ottoman Empire which was in direct result to the Fall of the Roman Empire.
To understand the history of conflict in any region means you look at ALL of the history….How could anyone get an accurate look at US history if all they studied was the 20th C. Of course Islamists would hope you only looked at part of the history just as they would hope we ignore the fact that Palestinian by definition meant any native of the country Jew, Christian or Muslim….
Jews have been there before Babylon. Christians since at least 40AD.
Bedouins travelled about the entire region because they were nomadic.
The Country was invaded by Muslims and thus began the CRUSADES.
EUROPEANS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY SINCE THE CRUSADES.
Tom Plumb

On another note, I hope everyone has a nice memorial day weekend.

We’re bbqing, same old thing, I guess, meat for the meat eaters, and BBQ’d tofu, for me.

You’d be surprised what one can do with tofu.

And Strawberry shortcake for dessert!

LOL.
Tom Plumb

I understand your point, but strategically, I have to wonder what they were thinking…
workingclass artist

Well Tom…Historically starting with the Romans Israel was important geographically for two reasons. Trade and militarily. All Roads Lead To Rome…Most folks don’t realize that ancient mariners didn’t sail the mighty seas like we do…They were coastal sailors and therefore Ports were vital. Israel is smack dab in the middle of Egypt and the route to the Meditterranean Countries of Greece and Italy. It was important to hold for both trade overland and sea trade. It was an important military base for keeping an eye on what was goin on in the client empires that were traditionally important to Rome as a threat…Assyrian/Persian/Babylonian regions and The ever pesky Egyptians who longed for a return to former glory and had been chafing since Ptolemy. Egypt fed Rome. It was the Breadbasket of the Ancient Empire.This is old empire shit. Now why was the region important to Britain ? For the same reason it was important to the Crusading Europeans…To keep in check the Maruading Muslims…It also helps if you can get easy access for shipping the oil in case things go south in the local ports..Every country in Europe was competing strategically for colinization of Africa. With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire the Brits as a means of survival of the crumbling empire played it both ways. The Brits tried to hold onto Palestine for 2 reasons…one was strategic and they wanted to control the assimilation of the area and the other had to do with usual empirical concerns that overtake an empire fighting to control it’s borders… on many fronts…The Modern Zionist Movement formed as a result of uniting zionist groups in Europe, Palestine and America and was a reaction to periodic anti-semiticism that had been sweeping throughout Europe and Russia since the Great Diaspora of 70 AD.
ISRAEL WILL ALWAYS HOLD GEO-POLITICAL SIGNIFICANCE….EVEN AS COUNTRIES COME AND GO….SOME LOCATIONS HAVE THIS KIND OF LUCK…If one looks at a map….It’s pretty obvious…
workingclass artist

I meant to say Israel is half way between Egypt and Italy in the Old Roman Trading Routes both overland and Sea Routes….The Roman Empire had strategic outposts for both trade and defense.
Israel was one that served both functions.
Today it is still strategic for Western Concerns along the British Empirical Model…poitically speaking. These are folks who have seen ISLAMIZATION IN ACTION FOR CENTURIES…AND THEY WILL NOT LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN….Those Folks got waaaay to close for comfort once…inhabiting most of Spain and encroaching on France….It aint’ gonna happen again….I’m just sayin’
workingclass artist

Grant…Don’t you get a little lonely with yo head up yo ass ?
http://deleted AnninCa

Obama’s gaffe wasn’t comparable. It wasn’t even a gaffe. It was a core attitude.

This was factual.
stillife

Riiiight. He just mocked her and called her Annie Oakley, flipped her the bird and brushed her off his shoulder.

Keep sippin’ that Kool-Aid.
Mary

This has ALWAYS been Obama’s technique, grant, even during the South Carolina “racist” days.

Obama plays “above it all,” but Axelrod sends out the surrogates to do the dirty work.

He’s just like George W. Bush.

Nothing new.
Tom Plumb

Except, like Bush, they cannot see how this plays internationally, and like Bush, they fail to understand they really aren’t kings of the world, they aren’t even the kings of America, they still need to foster cooperation, and competency.

I would venture the world sees Obama, and Axelrod for what they are, lil Hamas, Chicago, and therefore, a JOKE.

Boys can’t play, now, can they?

You run a Saudi style operation, you end up with Saudi style results.

Take away the oil money, and they have nothing, now, do they?

No brains, no culture, only a infrastructure that must be continually fed, and oil that is running out.
karen for Clinton

Preview of a few GOP ads are up on “savage politics” – guns and economy.

I’m nodding right along at GOP ads.

who’d a thunk it?