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Incarceration Nation Revisited: Webb to the Rescue!

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It is a scandal. It breaks families and our economy. My first post on the crises in our prisons got a great response from many of you, but we didn’t come up with many solid answers. Then I got an email from the Press Secretary for Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) who had actually seen my toon and story! She sent me a lot of information, and now I have hope. See what you think.

First off, Senator Webb is one of the few politicians I trust. He’s a brilliant, no-nonsense guy with a solid track record and broad, impressive experience base. I would bet his crap tolerance level is zero. So, I wasn’t surprised when I heard what he was doing. In his words:

America’s criminal justice system has deteriorated to the point that it is a national disgrace. Its irregularities and inequities cut against the notion that we are a society founded on fundamental fairness. Our failure to address this problem has caused the nation’s prisons to burst their seams with massive overcrowding, even as our neighborhoods have become more dangerous. We are wasting billions of dollars and diminishing millions of lives. We need to fix the system. Doing so will require a major nationwide recalculation of who goes to prison and for how long and of how we address the long-term consequences of incarceration.

Senator Webb has been concerned about our prisons and the people we stick in them for years, with the last two years spent putting together a plan and supportive coalition. He cites some astounding stats. Check these out:

1. The United States has by far the world’s highest incarceration rate. With five percent of the world’s population, our country now houses twenty-five percent of the world’s reported prisoners!

2. More than 2.38 million Americans are now in prison, and another 5 million remain on probation or parole.

3. Our prison population has skyrocketed over the past two decades as we have incarcerated more people for non-violent crimes and acts driven by mental illness or drug dependence.

4. Four times as many mentally ill people are in prisons than in mental health hospitals.

5. The costs to our federal, state, and local governments of keeping repeat offenders in the criminal justice system continue to grow during a time of increasingly tight budgets.

6. Existing practices too often incarcerate people who do not belong in prison and distract from locking up the more serious, violent offenders who are a threat to our communities.

7. Transnational criminal activity, much of it directed by violent gangs and cartels from Latin America, Asia and Europe, has permeated the country. Mexican cartels alone now operate in more than 230 communities across the country.

8. Mass incarceration of illegal drug users has not curtailed drug usage. The multi-billion dollar illegal drugs industry remains intact, with more dangerous drugs continuing to reach our streets. Incarcerated drug offenders have soared 1200% since 1980.

9. Incarceration for drug crimes has had a disproportionate impact on minority communities, despite virtually identical levels of drug use across racial and ethnic lines.

10. Post-incarceration re-entry programs are haphazard and often nonexistent, undermining public safety and making it extremely difficult for ex-offenders to become full, contributing members of society.

So, what does Senator Webb propose doing about a system that is raiding our treasure and not making our lives any safer?

He is proposing that a commission study this program and come up with solid recommendations. OK, before you say “Holy crap, not another committee” you must understand that some of the best legislation affecting real change in our country has emerged from effective well-run commissions. And the problem is now way too sprawling to approach in any other way.

The National Criminal Justice Commission Act of 2009, introduced by Senator Jim Webb on March 26, 2009, will create a blue-ribbon commission charged with undertaking an 18-month, top-to-bottom review of our entire criminal justice system. Its task will be to propose concrete, wide ranging reforms designed to responsibly reduce the overall incarceration rate; improve federal and local responses to international and domestic gang violence; restructure our approach to drug policy; improve the treatment of mental illness; improve prison administration; and establish a system for reintegrating ex-offenders.

You know, if I had to pick a person who I thought could come through with something concrete and enduring, Senator Jim Webb would be my choice, even before knowing that his legislation existed. Let’s all watch where this goes.

  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

    As a Virginian I’m so proud of Jim Webb right now. He seems like one of the few politicians who is really trying to change this country for the good for all of the right reasons. This isn’t about political expediency for Webb, it’s about doing what’s right.

    The rate at which we put people in jail in this country is absolutely ridiculous. It’s time to stop putting people in jail for victimless crimes (and yes, that means all drug related crimes and other such “crimes” as prostitution.) It’s time to focus our law enforcement on actual crime (murders, rapes, robberies, etc) — I believe if we did that we would see real crime rates plummet because our resources would be used more wisely. Likewise less innocent people (and yes I consider all people in jail for drug “crimes” to be innocent just as those imprisoned for alcohol “crimes” during prohibition were innocent) would have their lives ruined by our disgusting police state laws.

  • Solara 9

    This just might work. I am always wary of committees, but with senator Webb on their backs it should produce something of great value to all of us.

  • mark connette

    As a conservative, I dont dislike webb. But he has made some dubious decisions in the past. and being from Virginia, he would almost make a decent conservative. He opposes gay marraige, he is a strong gun rights person. His only glaring fault is that he is still an obama “yes” man I suspect by the time he is up for re-election, he will have to vote against obamaa on a number of issues. That is, if he wants to remain popular in VA.

  • mark connette

    Perhaps it isnt us that jails too many….but other countries that jail too few….just a thought…

  • JohnnyB

    Well, Pat another great cartoon and topic. Thanks.

    Drug use sends so many to prison in our country. But you and I can go get vicodan from our doctor and we don’t go to jail. Judges and prosecutors will send a drug offender (maybe sales of some illegal drug) off to jail for 5 or more years at the blink of an eye. Would we pay $150,000 so that same person could do something that gets them out of the drug scene? Maybe rehab? At $30,000 per year or more to house them in jail, we gladly pay, but we’d never spend that money to keep them out.

    Three strikes is another bad deal. Yes, I hope Senator Webb’s bill passes and this issue is fully revamped to meet our current conditions.

  • oowawa

    When I hear the words “commission” or “committee” or the phrase “study the problem,” I automatically drift off to slumber mode. Can’t help it–a physical reaction.

    Here’s some alarming stats offered without comment:

    At midyear 2008, there were 4,777 black male inmates per 100,000 black males held in state and federal prisons and local jails, compared to 1,760 Hispanic male inmates per 100,000 Hispanic males and 727 white male inmates per 100,000 white males.

    For lots of other mind-numbing statistics, refer to

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm

  • Craig Della Penna

    I have to say I’m very suspicious of commissions, “blue ribbon” or otherwise. Jim Webb is a bit conservative for my taste but he seems to be an honorable man. My real problem is that the solution(s) is/are obvious – and impossible to implement:

    1.) Stop putting people in jail for using drugs.

    2.) Return sentencing powers to the judges and take away that power from the prosecutors.

    3.) End “three strikes” laws.

    4.) And this is the biggie that’ll never get done -make all drugs legal.

    I just can’t see any commission, much less the Congress, and certainly not Obama – having the balls to make these changes.

  • http://mitchdworkin.com/ Mitch Dworkin

    I am a huge fan of Sen. Jim Webb and I met him when he was running for the Senate in 2006.

    Jim Webb’s Senate candidacy was endorsed by Gen. Wesley Clark and I was very proud to help work on that campaign.

    The incumbent Senator who Jim Webb defeated was George Allen and he was a very dangerous ideologue. George Allen was considered to be the front-runner for the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination if he had won that Senate race against Jim Webb and he was Rush Limbaugh’s favorite choice to be President:

    http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/5213

    Analysis and Documentation: George Allen is already the GOP 2008 “front-runner!”

    Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on March 25, 2006 – 6:06pm.

    http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/5562

    NEWS & ANALYSIS: George Allen launches Senate bid / How to defeat Allen in 2006!

    Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on April 16, 2006 – 10:58pm

    Jim Webb did the entire country a very big favor by beating George Allen which split support for the rest of the 2008 Republican Presidential candidates:

    http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/14196

    Democrats have Jim Webb to thank for the 2008 GOP race being in a mess now!

    Submitted by Mitch Dworkin on December 21, 2007 – 2:39pm.

  • Heather

    i think ron paul is the only politician who wants to end the drug war

  • Docelder

    Maybe we should stone a few of them randomly while we are at it? A prison lotto where you win and you lose all at the same time? The truth is, our system isn’t equitable. It favors the rich at the expense of everybody else. It isn’t so much about race or religion, it is completely class based. If you can afford the lawyers… you get the preferential outcome. If you can afford just a public defender… you get a long rap sheet because they plead these poor folks no contest for probation most of the time. There should be some happy middle ground between locking up every recreational drug user and at the same time we have Michael Jackson with a 100K pharmacy tab for “legal” drugs. Something is just wrong with that… deeply wrong.

  • oowawa

    Looking at the stats in the page referenced above, I find that those in prison for violent crimes more than tripled between 1980 and 2005, and violent offenders currently comprise more than half of the total prison population.

  • Don X

    A neat cartoon and very important issue. I hope Webb’s bill passes and that the resulting commission comes up with recommendations that can turn into passable legislation that revamps the system. The rub comes when the legislators pick it apart and pass some watered down bill that doesn’t solve the problem.

  • Diana

    I agree with the post above, we could save millions if we quit putting people in jail for non violent crimes. Fines, penalties, probation, programs. Which they all get after they get out anyway. 9 times out of 10 while they’re in jail we’re not just supporting them, we’re supporting their children as well!

    Imagine how much that would save states? My daughter in law’s sister was out and smoked a doobie with friends. Not in her home, out. One of her so called friends called CPS. She admitted to it, tested positive and they put her child in foster care for 6 months. Why? Because she’d been arrested before for public disturbance. They also placed her child in foster care where she had to be removed because the foster father was molesting the children! Which was the worse home and more dangerous home for the child? They take people’s children if they don’t like how clean their home is, come on now! We have children living on the streets. How clean is that? We need to get real. Hire the people a house cleaning service, it’s cheaper to the tax payers than the housing and medical care of their children. Keep families together.

    Those who commit non-violent crimes should be given an ankle bracelet and monitored. Let them support themselves, their children, not the tax payers we never committed the crime. Even if they’re on welfare, it’s still cheaper than foster care.

    Some of these people are committing 2 dollar crimes(Or at least that’s what I think a doobie might cost today, they were a dollar when I was growing up.) and costing the people of the state 100,000′s of thousands of dollars to support. Education. Medical. Food. Utilities. Salaries for the officers/staff. Programs for after care. Pfft. My two pennies worth.

  • Linda Anselmi

    Thanks Pat!

    Another great toon and focus on a real problem in need of solutions. We have too many of them as a nation. Glad to know this is something Senator Webb is addressing. I’ll be anxious to learn more.

  • bart

    Of course, you probably should add a fifth:

    Address the mental health services issue so these people aren’t merely incarcerated. That means health care, folks. . .

  • TexasMirth

    His only glaring fault is that he is still an obama “yes” man

    That’s enough to give me pause, but there is something about Webb that seems more earnest than the average politician. I hope he doesn’t lose that, and I hope he is successful with his prison reform plans.

  • justme_kc

    it’s crazy that people are being incarcerated for marijuana when (to the best of my knowledge) there are ZERO deaths attributed to pot. It’s virtually impossible to “smoke yourself to death”, can’t say the same about alcohol which is available on every street corner in my neighborhood.

  • Ani

    Yes, the greatest favor Jim Webb could ever have done anyone was defeating the horrid George Allen.

    Great article, Pat.

  • Rich

    Pat, thank you for this very important article. What is missing is what can we do to make sure that the act actually goes into action and has teeth? Also to make sure that it does not become just a study that no one ends up paying any attention too.

    I think it is interesting that on the one hand fewer people are accepting personal responsibility for their own actions, yet want to blame others more harshly for doing the same. Or maybe this is just a perverted societal attitude of blaming others without looking at or to ourselves for the solutions or responsibility.

    Why is it that other civilized countries have more compassionate attitudes toward crime when we think of ourselves as being the enlightened society? Why do we punish more and rehabilitate less? Why is it that we cut budgets for schools and increase budgets for prisons? We want more police but less parks and places for our children to go? I could go on though I do not think it is necessary.

    Unless society starts to look at itself, I am not sure what the commission can recommend that the people are willing to support. Maybe when we can no longer, as is happening, afford to keep people locked up that we will be forced to look at what we are doing and make drastic changes. Maybe the time is now. I know that I am ready. How many of the readers feel the same way?

    Rich

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    i agree it all starts and ends with personal responsibility.
    but that cannot be legislated.

  • Linda Mac

    Excellent topic for a discussion. I have a relative who was a judge for many years. He was so frustrated because the sentencing guidelines were so stringent especially for drug arrests in his southern state. Jim Webb’s attention is a giant step to get something started to stop the insanity. Thank you for a great discussion.

  • NomNomNom

    Well that policy will work out great for all the crackheads since we’re now ending the destruction of opium poppy fields in Afghanistan rather than offering incentives to the farmers to grow something else. It should save a lot of money to fund more drone attacks too.
    I’m sure the fact that Hamid Karzai’s brother and any number of the Northern Alliance warlords are major drug dealers in Afghanistan had nothing to do with the decision either.
    I can hardly wait to have some new gang of crackheads destroy my current car and walk to work for another 2 years until I can afford a new one.
    On second thought, I hope they get one of your all’s instead.
    And for the nut who thinks prostitution is a victimless crime, I wonder if you’d say the same if you had a daughter who was trafficked, or even a daughter who became hooked on your now legal drugs by some unscrupulous manipulator and lured into the victimless crime of prostitution: because they both happen here in the US every day, and decriminalizing drugs will make it that much easier. It wouldn’t even be a crime to give her the drugs.

  • NomNomNom

    Another post in the spammer. No f words, no links, not too long, not too short…
    Getting old.

  • Rich

    I agree with you. Lets tax drugs and help solve problems including the fact that how we treat our schools are leaving our children behind.

    Rich

  • Ferd Berfle

    Yeah, Markie, your sociopathic backside is out running loose ever since you escaped the psychiatric ward. I suppose for that simple fact alone, you may be onto something. Perhaps a colony for people too stupid to interact with others, such as you, for instance, would be a welcome idea. We could put your duds on Johnson Atoll, where your bats in the belfry could fly free.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Yours is a sobering statistic. The violent ones are those who really need to be incarcerated. Non-violent offenders, with some exceptions (Madoff), should be put to work in non-prison programs, imo.

  • Ferd Berfle

    As a conservative, I dont dislike webb.

    Your equivocation is right on time, Markie, just like clockwork. Another crock of manure from the Bill Kristol school of subterfuge. You’re a neocon, which is neither new nor conservative. Kindly refrain from ascribing the trash you espouse with those of real conservatives, e.g., Barry Goldwater.

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Thanks, Mitch, for all the good info on Senator Webb. He is a sturdy oak among saplings in my humble opinion.

  • Clara

    A.N. Mouse,
    I couldn’t agree more and couldn’t have said it better; Jim Webb does what he thinks is right and the political aspect takes a back seat, if it gets a seat at all.

    Thanks for this update on your original story, Pat. Webb is serious about this issue. I recall that when asked, he spoke of the criminal justice problems at length back during his campaign.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Funny how that viewpoint of yours never made it to the earlier threads (within the last three months) where a few NQ regulars were roundly criticized for making the very same arguments. The history via the archive is there. Your silence and support were deafening on those occasions.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Drat. Change that to read:

    Your silence and lack of support were deafening on those occasions.

  • http://none maq

    The economy under Obama is so bad, has anyone quantified the number of incarcerations that are semi voluntary. Solid roof overhead, Free medical, Three square meals a day.

    It is tough on the outside.

  • mark connette

    You are ridiculous. Sir…

  • mark connette

    And Bill Kristol is quite intelligent. He isnt always correct. But quite intelligent.

  • mark connette

    If I had to pick one. Id say I agree with many of charles krauthammer’s {phd} views. Hardly a neo-con. A critical thinker, is the term I would apply.

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Hear, hear. I couldn’t agree more.

    Great toon, Pat – thank you!

    And Mitch, great comment. I was a big supporter of Sen. Webb, too. I lived in VA – I was ALL too happy to have Allen voted out. That his replacement is someone of Webb’s stature is welcome indeed.

  • Hot Librarian

    I read where California may release 36.000 prisoners as part of $26 billion budget shortfall.

    Plus sell San Quenton.

    Johnny Cash would be happy.

  • elise

    Sorry about your car, Nom. I had a friend who had AIDS and went to a hospice for his end of life care. The point of a hospice is to improve the quality of life for the terminally ill and they even provide a room for smokers, but they won’t allow patients to smoke or consume pot even though the people of this state voted to legalize it for medical purposes.

    He suffered from nausea and loss of appetite and the doctor prescribed marinol which actually aggravated the nausea. He got weekend passes to go home and spend time with his family and friends and to smoke .

    Some of the medical marijuana stores across the country have been raided as well as farms. Even terminal patients have been arrested.

    I know crack cocaine, heroin and meth are different problems, but the use is a cause and/or effect of mental illness and those are not addressed by our current system. I’m not advocating the legalization of those drugs across the board, but it seems the focus is wrong in law enforcement and courts.

    Methadone doesn’t always work, but I worked with a man addicted to heroin and it kept him out of jail and eventually he was able to completely kick his addiction.

    What is happening with the spam filter?

  • mark connette

    you kiss your mom with that mouth?

  • NomNomNom

    “..the use is a cause and/or effect of mental illness…”
    In some cases; not near all. And if they’d shoot the freaking people dealing drugs and keep the availability low, there’d be less use regardless of reason. Mostly people use drugs because it’s easier than changing one’s habits and circumstances. Not to mention it’s a handy excuse for being a thief, wife-beater, [insert criminal tendency here].

    I’m sorry to hear about your friend. I have no problem with medical marijuana, or with narcotics for the terminally ill, or doctor assisted suicide for that matter. An acquaintance of mine just had to quit work because his AIDS has progressed too much for him to work. He’s not got much longer, and I certainly would not deny him pain medication that works.
    As for people hooked on prescription and or street drugs, I have zero sympathy or tolerance. I’d as soon shoot them. Anyone who thinks we will have legalized drugs without drug cartels operating freely is delusional. Look at who runs the health care industry, then put guns in their hands. No thx.
    I spent 2 years walking to work and everywhere else of course: literally hours out of my day, every day, that I neither got paid for since I couldn’t work those hours, or got to spend with my man and cats. That’s in the rain, in 100 degree weather, in a freaking ice storm.
    If some fool wants to poison themselves, fine. I say speed it up and die already.
    I’ve met very few people who have a worse background than mine and I don’t do drugs.

  • Marvin

    It’ll be interesting to wait and see where this all goes. But, I have faith in your opinion, Pat.

  • http://www.MyAllNaturalWeightLoss.com Suzie Q

    Not much of a thought if you ask me. If that’s what you get out of that then … that makes me really sad.

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