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It Was Just A Matter Of Time…**UPDATED**

Before Obama majorly embarrassed Secretary Clinton. Oh, many of us knew this was coming – and it has happened on a smaller scale here and there (except during the Primaries in which Mr. Ditto copied almost ALL of her policy positions). Now, it is on the big stage, about a big issue: Iran.

My good buddy, American Girl in Italy, provided me with this article today, Clinton Urged Obama To Talk Tough On Iran. Now, see, this does not surprise me one little bit – both that Clinton wanted to talk tough to Iran, and that Obama left her hanging out to dry. That is her way, and that is his. And that is why so many of us never wanted her there in the first place (though we appreciate having an adult in the room). We knew it was coming.

So, here’s the deal:

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton urged President Obama for two days to toughen his language on Iran before he did so, and then was surprised when he condemned Iran’s crackdown on demonstrators last week, administration officials say.

At his June 23 news conference, Mr. Obama said he was “appalled and outraged” by Iranian behavior and “strongly condemned” the violence against anti-government demonstrators. Up until then, Mr. Obama and other administration officials had taken a softer line, expressing “deep concern” about the situation and calling on Iran to “respect the dignity of its own people.”

Behind the scenes, the officials, who spoke on the condition that they not be named because they were discussing internal deliberations, said Mrs. Clinton had been advocating the stronger U.S. response, but the president resisted. When he finally took her advice, the aides said, he did so without informing her first.

This was the first known example of awkwardness between the two former rivals for the Democratic nomination for president since they made up following Mr. Obama’s election. The disagreement also gave some insight into the Obama administration’s foreign policy decision-making process five months into its term.

“… Obama administration’s foreign policy decision-making process”??? Well, it seems to be, “We don’t know what the hell we are doing, and we will just say or do whatever we can until we get the fawning recognition on which we so depend. If that means screwing people over, even people in the Cabinet, oh well!” And, it is just a continuation of a policy Obama began during the Primary: taking Clinton’s words whole-cloth without EVER giving her credit for them. He did it time and time again. I guess we can’t be surprised that he is doing it now, too:

The officials said they were familiar with the language Mr. Obama used in his news conference because it was sent to the State Department a day earlier, but that Mrs. Clinton did not know until he uttered the words that he would choose that moment to make them public.

“It was a happy surprise,” one administration official said. “It was echoing the line the secretary had been pushing for a couple of days.”

Uh, yeah. I am sure that is exactly what it was, “a happy surprise.” Sure.

Guess when The Decider decided? About when you wold expect:

Another official said Mr. Obama apparently did not make the final decision to go ahead with the tougher stance until shortly before his remarks.

“I don’t think he himself had decided to do it until he did it, but we knew full well it was headed that way, because the White House sent over the actual language he’d use if he chose to take that line for folks to review and weigh in on, which State did,” the second official said.

Oh, he is so gifted, isn’t he?? How many times did he flip a coin? Draw straws? Played “eeney, meeney, miney mo” before he decided just what he was going to say – as he walked to his TOTUS?? Please.

Naturally, as to the tough language:

The White House and the State Department declined to comment publicly on Mrs. Clinton’s “private advice” to Mr. Obama and their internal communications.

As one would expect.

Apparently, Secretary Clinton was not the only one urging Obama to say something stronger:

Key congressional Republicans – most prominently Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who was Mr. Obama’s opponent in last year’s election – criticized the president for being too “timid” and failing to speak out early against the Iranian regime’s crackdown on protests following the disputed June 12 presidential election.

Mr. Obama initially said he did not want to appear to be interfering in Iran’s internal affairs and provide ammunition to the regime, which tends to blame the United States and other Western countries for any unrest. In addition, he knew he would most likely have to deal with the current government as part of the West’s efforts to prevent Iran from producing a nuclear weapon, officials said.

“On the one hand, he may have felt that the United States should naturally criticize the Iranian government’s violent crackdown on the protesters,” said Alireza Nader, an analyst at the Rand Corp. “On the other, he acknowledged that the U.S. was still willing to engage with Iran in the future. Strong U.S. criticism of the Iranian government could jeopardize future negotiations.”

Mrs. Clinton agreed with the president, but she thought it was time to get tougher after the June 20 killing of a young woman, Neda Agha-Soltan, on a Tehran street, officials said. A video of the killing was widely viewed on the Internet.

At the same time, they added, she was content to leave the decision to Mr. Obama, because she understood that he bore ultimate responsibility for any consequences.

However, Mr. Obama’s sudden decision to toughen his language on Tehran had the effect of making the State Department look out of sync with the White House.

Until about an hour before the presidential news conference, the State Department continued to follow a more cautious public line, using words like “deeply concerned” about the situation in Iran, but refusing to “condemn” the crackdown. Then came Mr. Obama’s surprise.

“The United States and the international community have been appalled and outraged by the threats, the beatings and imprisonments of the last few days,” he said. “I strongly condemn these unjust actions, and I join with the American people in mourning each and every innocent life that is lost.”

The decision on Iran was very personal, officials said. Mr. Obama knew his senior aides’ views, but it was up to him to “pull the trigger.”

Or to grow a pair. Or read the most recent poll – “Oh, no – not everyone is lapping up every word I read – I must do something! Quick – get me Clinton’s report and I’ll have it put on TOTUS!” Ahem.

Let’s not lose this important paragraph, though:

However, Mr. Obama’s sudden decision to toughen his language on Tehran had the effect of making the State Department look out of sync with the White House. (Emphasis mine.)

You don’t say. Well, OF COURSE IT DID. That was the intent, was it not? If it WASN’T, Obama could have said something like, “In conjunction with the State Department, ” or “As Secretary Clinton and I have discussed,” or SOMETHING that didn’t leave her high and dry. But like I said, that is his way. As is this, apparently:

“We have so few tools when we deal with Iran, and we don’t fully understand what’s going on, so all we’ve got is what the president says,” the first administration official said. “There isn’t a huge process behind it.”

In general, the officials said, Mr. Obama has relied on the government bureaucracy to formulate language on foreign affairs.

For example, before Mr. Obama’s meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Friday, everything he said was a “result of a long process involving meetings and briefing papers,” the official said. Even with North Korea, another country that has no diplomatic relations with the U.S., “we have a formalized mechanism in the six-party [nuclear] talks and more moving pieces.”

Analysts said the Iran episode shows Mr. Obama’s nuanced thinking and in-depth analysis of foreign policy, although some warned that he risks being too cautious and appearing indecisive.

“Appear”??? How about, he IS indecisive!! Once again, we are getting a load of hooey (“nuanced thinking”) to obscure how woefully out of his depth Obama is. I am sure you caught all of that above about him having the “bureaucracy” basically tell him what to say after they comb through everything for him. So, I guess his big “decision making” is to read, or not to read…

Some people do actually see through him, thank heavens:

“The demonstrators in Iran have revealed the extreme caution of Obama’s approach to the world, as if he is afraid of making a mistake, and his dislike of disruptions to an agenda he has already laid out,” Reginald Dale, director of the Transatlantic Media Network at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said in reference to the president’s offer of engagement, which so far has been spurned by Tehran.

Kim R. Holmes, vice president of the Heritage Foundation, who was assistant secretary of state for international organizations in the George W. Bush administration, said: “The caution that we should not meddle was shown to be pointless after the Iranian leadership blamed the protests on America and Britain anyway.”

True that. But of course, there are reasons for Obama’s hesitancy:

Michael J. Green, former senior director for East Asian affairs on the National Security Council in the Bush White House, said Mr. Obama may be trying the learn from his predecessor’s mistakes.

Mr. Bush tended to make decisions during meetings with his national security team, but the problem was that his aides “interpreted his directions differently,” especially during his first term, Mr. Green said.

At the time, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell’s aides often said that he “felt good” about the outcome of a White House meeting, because Mr. Bush had taken his advice. Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld felt the same way, except that their advice was usually very different.

“It seems that Obama is trying to avoid such confusion by laying out specifically what he wants,” Mr. Green said.

As involved as Mrs. Clinton may have been in the process leading up to Mr. Obama’s decision on Iran, “the secretary of state usually doesn’t have the last say, because he or she is not there with the president all the time,” he said. “With all the modern technology, location still means power.” (Nicholas Kralev
)

Well, Mr. Green – you are assuming Obama KNOWS what he wants. Besides world domination, that is. But does HE know how to go about it? No, he has to leave that up to everyone else to figure out because he hasn’t a clue. Not only that, but he has no grace. Yes, he is the one who has “to pull the trigger,” but there are ways to do that in which others are not left hanging. But, that’s just not Obama’s way, now is it?

UPDATE: American Girl mentioned the following timely video in the Comments section, but it needs to be here:

  • LisaB

    Great piece RRRA! BO is no HRC, is he?

    • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      I’ll say – not even close. It amazes me how little this guy can com e up with all on his own. Scary.

      And thanks, LisaB!

      • Naomi

        pure rubbish – you site the heritage foundation??? please. there is nothing here at all – you are just trying to shake up the obama haters again to show they are attacking poor Hillary. she can take care of herself and so can he. let it go.

        • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

          That was but a very small part of this entire article that cited someone from the Heritage Fdn. There’s a bigger picture here. That’s the point.

          And I have no need to “shake up” the Obama haters; he does that all by himself. But I DO think it is important to point out what he does. Or are we not allowed to do that?

          • Naomi

            you are allowed to do anything you want and others are allowed to disagree with you. this article is a jumble of what? trying to show obama has no balls? sounds like your opinion to me, the same stuff you have been saying over and over – to point out what he does? what did he do here? not come down hard enough on Iran? your insinuation that he has left Hillary hanging? i think you are stretching – and don’t see anything wrong in what went on with Obama and the State Dept – you obama haters will see something underhanded in everything the guy does-

            • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

              What?! Nothing about how we’re all just a bunch of red neck tea bagging racists?

              The Obots are starting to get a little off their game. A simple “why do you hate black people?” would have sufficed, sheesh……

            • trixta

              And you Bots are still mesmerized by The One.

        • WMCB

          This is being widely reported. The fact that you don’t like it doesn’t change the facts.

        • TeakWoodKite

          Naomi, who is attacking “poor Hillary”?

          Respectfully, go fish.

          What is blatantly, painfully, unavoidably ,frighteningly obvious is the wimp factor that hangs around BO like the dust from Pig Pens blanket and utterly tone deaf awareness of what lies beyond his “big ears”.
          (his words not mine).

          And as for you, if you discount someones point of view because of the gig they currently have without acknowledging;

          Kim R. Holmes, vice president of the Heritage Foundation, who was assistant secretary of state for international organizations in the George W. Bush administration,

          may have a clue…even if you disagree, I don’t see how can anything but politically stunted. Do shoot the messenger.

          • TeakWoodKite

            I don’t see how you can anything but politically stunted. Do shoot the messenger.

        • Diana

          Here it is right from CBS:
          http://tinyurl.com/kszf2r

          From Foreign Policy:
          http://tinyurl.com/mmsnzt

          From Washington Times:
          http://tinyurl.com/nlumlp

          Newsmax:
          http://tinyurl.com/lnrfae

          These are just a few. You can find many more. Rubbish? Please. I think not.

  • warehouse553

    Someone, probably a friend of Hillary, obviously leaked the differences of opinion to illustrate that Hillary is strong and right and Obama is weak and wrong.

    • Docelder

      Someone, probably a friend of Hillary, obviously leaked the differences of opinion to illustrate that Hillary is strong and right and Obama is weak and wrong.

      Which pretty much is what folks like Dick Morris said would happen from the start.

      • PYW

        You’re citing Dick Morris as credible? I can’t imagine you did that with a straight face.

        • Docelder

          He may not be everybody’s favorite, but he called that one. Like him or no, I do think he has an insider’s perspective.

      • morris1030

        Dick Morris is a dirtbag, a sleaze, and totally unreliable.

    • elise

      As I read the post, most of the information is attributed to “administration” sources not State Dept.

    • PYW

      As Elise noted below, this story cites more than one source identified as being from the administration – not the State Dept.

  • Ani

    The New York Times said nearly a couple of weeks ago that both Hillary and Biden wanted Obama to take a tougher stance on Iran.

    Clearly, it is not Hillary who is out of step, but Obama, who is always waiting to see which way the wind is blowing before committing himself to a particular path. That is not the act of a leader, that is the act of a follower. We always knew he was a neophyte and way in over his head, particularly on matters of foreign policy.

    • socalannie

      Well said!

  • Steve1

    Hey, I told you soooo…what can you expect from the effete Barry Soetoro!!!!! Big surprise….His polls numbers are slipping. Clinton, 2012!!!

  • http://hillaryunleashed.wordpress.com Tellurian

    When the Cat’s away the Mice will FAIL!

    You forgot to mention Obama’s mice pretending to be the Cat while the kitty is in recovery..

    Yes, I mean, RICE, POWER and JARRETT.. FAIL in coming close to replacing Hillary in Foreign Policy advice.

    (HT/Basil9)

    More on Rice.

    There’s a clip at hotair of her saying this.

    Video:

    U.S. ambassador to UN won’t say Iranian regime is illegitimate

    July 1, 2009

    “Rice interview and I quote, “The political situation in Iran is for the Iranians to work out internally.”

    Now, based on that statement alone, what’s the painfully obvious follow-up question?

    “Why that principle doesn’t also apply to Honduras?”

    Reliable O-bot Andrea Mitchell never asks, of course, choosing to toss a softball instead about America’s defense of Zelaya to which Rice replies, amazingly:

    “A coup is a coup.”

    Well, no — the whole point of the double standard between Honduras and Iran is that a coup isn’t a coup when acknowledging it would force Obama into a confrontation he doesn’t want. In fact, Iran’s rigging of the election was a vastly more egregious coup than what went down in Honduras given the unified legislative, judicial, and military support for ousting Zelaya.

    The fact that she (Rice) can sit here and make two statements like that with a straight face in the span of minutes is proof either of amazing cognitive dissonance or a willingness to lie bordering on the Orwellian.

    And based on the leaks coming out of the State Department about Hillary begging Obama to get tougher with Iran, it sounds like not everyone in the administration’s real happy about it.”

    There you have it! Obama’s gal pals helping him finish last giving him the “right” answer in foreign policy situations…

    • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      Thanks for this, Tellurian! Nicely done!

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  • Peggy Sue

    I read this article yesterday about the “disagreement.” I think the important thing is that Obama finally took Hillary’s advice. I think it’s clear when it comes to foreign policy in particular, Obama is treading water, and it’s one of the reasons I’m so-o-o glad HRC is at State and that on national security issues he chose people who are knowledgeable and experienced.

    I personally found it appalling that his reaction was strong on Honduras, siding with Chavez and the Castro Brothers, and weak-kneed about Iran. Hillary was right. After that video shot of the young woman Neda, dying “with her eyes wide open” [McCain's description], the POTUS needed to be more than “restrained.” He got it right the third time.

    As for Hillary? She took a huge risk when she took this job. And it could go either way for her. But for all our sake’s, I’m still glad she’s there.

    Thanks for the followup, Amy. Never a dull moment!

  • Peggy Sue

    Oops, the spam filter ate my comment. Can someone retrieve it?? Thanx.

  • WMCB

    I’m waiting for the smoking gun – a copy of the internal memo from Hillary to Obama, stating simply:

    “For God’s sake, GROW A PAIR!”

    • http://rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      ROTFLMAO!

    • Jackarooty

      I’m just glad that she didn’t offer hers. They would probably be too big to fit where his used to be.

  • Hank

    Off Topic:
    Helen Thomas hammers Gibbs on Obama’s phony town hall:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/01/cbs_helen_thomas_challenge_gibbs_on_controlled_town_hall_meeting.html

    I think there is trouble in paradise!!

    • TeakWoodKite

      The headline says it all Hank and considering the issue being discussed is BO staying on message or even having one (Hillary still has the other)…it ain’t that far off.

    • tek

      Hank: One can hope.

  • beachnan

    Anyone who believes that Obama is leading this country–well let’s just say, they’re not in their right mind. Such a weak man. We deserved so much better. Hillary 2012! Now we’re talking about a real leader and not a pretend leader.

  • mimi

    ***SIGH!***

  • yttik

    That was a good piece, Rev Amy. You said a lot.

    I trust Hillary knows how to handle O’Bummer. He’s not new or smart, he’s the SOS that women have had to deal with for centuries. Hillary knows perfectly well that he is a narcissist who will never miss a chance to take credit for her work and than try to cut her out of the loop. He’ll repeatedly disrespect her, not view her as an equal, and be first in line to blame her should anything go wrong.

    She has been there and done this her whole life. No doubt she is now an expert on dealing with lunkheads. I trust she will handle President O’Bummer and manage to save the country from future foreign policy disasters too, because she is just that good.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    Great write up Amy!! Hillary was right about that 3am phone call…

    Greta and Lynn Cheney were discussing this too.

    http://tinyurl.com/n6p35g

  • tek

    I don’t think we should make a big deal out of a difference between Hillary and Obama. Everyone knows they are different. All this talk is meant to discredit Hillary, so why circulate it?

    Yes, Obama is a buffoon and Hillary is scary smart. She’s doing the right things to try to protect our country. If Obama interferes and messes up, it will fall on him.

  • Klooster

    I picture HRC with her arm in a sling saying to BO:

    “For God’s sake Barry, man up, I could do this with one arm tied behind my….”

    • http://annienyc.blogspot.com anne

      lol

    • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      LOL – oh, snap – that’s PERFECT!!! I wish Pat Racimora would do a toon of THAT!!!!! :-D

  • http://annienyc.blogspot.com anne

    I don’t think it was an embarrassment to her at all. everyone knows that she is tough and EVERYONE knew that her restrained language was a direct result of her being stiffled by Mr. Milqtoast. She is strong, he is wack, i mean weak and i disagree that she ended up looking out of sync or weak.

    • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

      I hear ya, Anne – just reporting what the article said…I do like your characterization of the two, though!

  • xax

    Strong U.S. criticism of the Iranian government could jeopardize future negotiations.

    This is what I really don’t understand. It looks to me like there will never be any negotiations because Iran doesn’t like us. Period. Not even Obama can change that, though he seems to think that he can. It’s driving me nuts. You’re not going to lose anything, so take the damn stand. Stop being a wuss. Anytime they’re trying to pin the death of the woman gunned down in the middle of their streets by their police on us, you know you can’t talk to them. Or am I, and most people, just smarter than Obama? Why is he intent on holding onto the notion that everyone in the world is reasonable? That doesn’t even happen in everyday life, let alone with power hungry leaderships.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Todays AP BO interview
    on Iran

    Just brimming with confidence I tell ya. It just made me feel so secure.

    NOT.

  • NewOrleansPuma

    What would one expect differently if one has followed Alynskyite Barack Obama for a year and beyond that…Obama is a fraud.

  • MrX

    HAHAHA! So basically, Hillary is telling Obama to grow a pair!

  • morris1030

    Obama is fixated on bi-partisanship. The Dem blue dogs and almost all Repubs in Senate will never let him wave his magic wand.

    In pursuing [or appear to be] pursuing Repubs towards efffective legislation, I see Obama headed for some unsurprising defeats.

    His economic plan is not bold enough, and his obsession with being Bush-lite so as to get some legilation through will be a flop.

    As for foreign policy, he’s er…..a dud.

    I fully expect Hillary to be kept as much under wraps as possible to allow His Highness to take credit, or throw off blame as need be.

    I am not reassured that Obama knows what he’s doing, and the grownups in the room are continually upstaged by Axelrod acting as King’s Regent in spreading His Majesty’s words throughout the American Territory.

    • Docelder

      the grownups in the room are continually upstaged by Axelrod

      Honestly, thank goodness for him. At least somebody there has their thinking cap on… and can talk intelligently about something that has relevance… i.e. not what kind of pie you had last night. Imagine if there were no Axelrod. The man might be the unsung hero that winds up saving us from WWIII.

  • OMG

    Opie is Nancy’s puppet and Opie’s wife is the problem.
    Pelousy thinks she’s the president with every bill that she has written so far and Opies wife wants to be President. So Hill is really being twarted by Opies wife and Pelousy. The wife and the election ‘giftor’ are trying to run the show. Call me crazy but soon enough you’ll be reporting on this.
    I like what a blogger said “He’ll stay as long as he does what ‘they’ want him to do”

  • OMG

    Pelosi and his wife are running the show. Hillary has alot to contend with. The wife is going in Hill’s place to Russia and elsewhere. Keep your eye on the ball.

    • TeakWoodKite

      Do I have to worry about the reset button?