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Honduras vs POTUS

By John Batchelor on July 5, 2009 at 9:01 PM in Current Affairs

Plan B.

There are consistent reports of the continuing resistance of the Honduras Supreme Court to the demands of the OAS and the Obama administration to restore the disgraced stooge Manuel Zelaya. The OAS issued an ultimatum for Saturday July 4. On Sunday 5, the OAS claims its director Miguel Insulza will escort Zelaya back to Tegulisigapla.

The new interim President Roberto Micheletti asserts that he will serve arrest papers on Zelaya when and if he comes into the country. Meantime, POTUS is silent after his first reaction to insist upon Zelaya be restored. The Michael Jackson news helped Honduras get through the week without much attention, and now the Palin excitement will dominate the news cycle through the weekend.

There is no evidence that the Honduras apparatus intends to climb down from its certainty that Zelaya is an outlaw. Hugo Chavez, Zelaya’s sponsor, does not have a Plan B. Nor does POTUS. I will speak to old Central America hand Larry Johnson, No Quarter, for an update on Honduras on Sunday 5, and I expect no change.

Hank

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Up

Miltary coup… go army. Take the power from the people. The gun is always better than the vote.
J

The military coup was supported by the Obama admin. officials that included the U.S. Ambass. to Honduras Hugo Llorens. The military coup leader Gen. Velasquez was charged with grand theft auto in 1993. The Feb 2 93 front page of Tegucigalpa’s daily El Heraldo included the headline ‘Eleven members of the gang of 13 go to prison’.
Diana L. C.

When voting fraud is so rampant, are you so sure? Also, this particular militaey coup came at the orders of the court.
MBC

Larry, please provide an update. My daughter is from Honduras and we have many friends there.
oowawa

Hmmmm . . . what if SCOTUS proclaimed POTUS unconstitutional (for whatever hypothetical reason) and forced him out of the country. Would other democracies protest the legality of his eviction?
Texas Playwright

Shoot, I can’t keep all these legal/illegal leaders and non-leaders straight. Larry, would you give those of us clearly NOT in the know a lesson on Honduras recent history?
Amirosa

One has to wonder who controls the court? One thing is to depose a president who overstays his term, another very different is to run a sitting president who was still 6 months to go. Also the malady of Latin America has always been the military serving at the disposition of a wealthy, elitist and dominant class. That is the reality in Honduras, and there will never be transparent democracy if acts like this are supported by any nation and people regardless of political leaning. So, Diana L.C, fraud or no fraud (which I do not know where you got that) the president should have been permitted to serve his term.

An American Latina who wishes that democracy in Latin America will not die.
HC123

The president of Honduras isn’t above the law, and not everything in Honduras is up to a plebiscite. This might sound familiar because thats how it is here for now.

Honduras is being run by civilians and the army acted on court orders. Obots just like calling it a military coup because they are programmed to follow their leader without thought or question.

Obama seems confused on this point, maybe he is too busy kissing “Supreme Leader” butt in Iran to read his security briefings. Or possibly hanging around with Ortega and Chavez, two champions of “the people”, has confused him.

Or heres a thought, maybe Obama is really not all that into constitutional democracy.
to77

UP, you’re really ignorant of the facts. the democratically elected congress voted 150-4 (with all but 4 from his own party voting against him) to have Zelaya’s removed for violating the constitution and the the supreme court ordered the army to remove him and then turn control of the country back to the the congress and supreme court. A democratically elected president is not above a democratically elected congress and a nation’s supreme court or a country’s constitution.
http://! stodgie

Up go research this. don’t you wonder why chavez supports the president wannabe for life?
JozefAL

WHAT “voting fraud”? There was NO election in Honduras for there to have been any “fraud”. Before making comments, get your damned facts straight, Diana.
What happened was the LEGAL President of Honduras sought to put a question before the people of that country to allow him to seek RE-election when the next national elections took place (later this year). While Zelaya’s action in proposing this referendum did likely violate Constitutional propriety, the Honduran Congress AND the Supreme Court most CERTAINLY overstepped their bounds in allowing the military remove Zelaya from office. (If someone can find an English-language translation of the Honduran Constitution and can find the point that allows either the Congress or the Supreme Court to order the military to remove the President for ANY reason, please post it.)
Zelaya LEGALLY still had roughly 6 months left in his term when the Supreme Court and Congress decided they had more power than the President.
JozefAL

To both to77 and stodgie, the two of you need to check ALL the facts in what the Honduran Congress and Supreme Court actually did.
These two bodies took this action because Zelaya wanted to put forth a proposal for the PEOPLE to vote one. That proposal was to do away with the term limits imposed on the President.
IOW, what the Hondruan Congress did was to blow up a house to get rid of a single ant.
Look into Honduras’s consitution and see if either the Congress OR the Supreme Court have the LEGAL (CONSTITUTIONAL) authority to remove the LEGALLY-ELECTED President (who still had roughly 6 months in his term) because ZELAYA (instead of the Congress) initiated the referendum.
Then, ask yourselves, exactly HOW does this coup SERVE democracy? As far as I can see, the coup has only hindered democracy in an area that has seen very little real democracy in the past century.
tminu

Zelaya’s a cocaine mule receiving upwards of 4 planeloads daily from Venezuela, he’s Chavez’ drug bitch, he’s needed for Obama’s cut of the cocaine flow. They found hefty bags full of US currency in his house. The DEA knew via Honduran authorities that he was a dirty drug runner. Obama’s henchmen had met with him prior to his predicted win…this is all about the drug money to Obama, plus he doesn’t like that “will of the people or rule of law” shtuff.
Hot Librarian

Nom Nom Nom – you are missing some fun here.

When I last counted there were over 50 countries that do not approve.

Honduras is more isolated than Iran.

They do have Larry & John & Diana & Stodgie & a gardener.

Im afraid Iminu is not of balanced mind.
kgirl1028

Chavez’ drug bitch- that is so damn poetic. I’m in love. *swoon*
HC123

As an american latina you should also be familiar with the “presidente for life” issue in South America. It is not particularly democratic but I guess it is “transparent”, as in “clear for all to see”.

If presidents are above the law and rule for life, you have kings, nothing more. Kind of like King Chavez in Venezuela.
Diana L. C.

When you experience a selection while thinking you were part of an election, then you will know how what you call events can hide what they really are. Military coup or military coup. Election or election. It all depends on who’s running them and how they’re run. I’m waiting on this situation. I just asked a question: Are you so sure? I pointd out to that elections can be open to much fraud–as many have experienced and documented. I’d be nervous myself about a hastily organized election five months before the end of–oh, heck, let’s say O’s term myself. Just saying.

I just came back to this post today. Hot Librarian, I’m a bit surprised that you aren’t on your “no interference” campaign. But I am glad to know that you seem to have all the right answers, always the rest of the world.

I don’t know much about recent Honduran politics, so I’ll defer to those who do and wait out events. By the way, I am sorry, but I believe Larry pointed out that he may know more thn you in that regard.
Diana L. C.

Typing with one hand–the other is in a cast.
http://noquarterusa No-nonsense-Nancy

Why can’t we have a “congressional substitution” here? That’s right. We don’t have a congress.
tzada

20000 were expected in Atlanta, then the owner of the property stopped them using it at the last minute. I think they were Simon properties. They had contributed to O campaign, surprise surprise.
tzada

ummmmmmm what about those votes on this “proposal”that supposedly came in from Venezuela?

By the way. I am what could be termed a Constitutionalist. We have already had the proposal made for extending the Presidents term here in this country in the last few months. That would be against the Constitution of the USA. But then a lot that is happening or the foundation is being laid for the dismantling of ours.
Just_Saying

Obummer is marginalizing Hillary as Secretary of State — she’s not even going to Russia on his latest world trip. I trust Hillary much more than I trust Obummer, and hope she resigns while she still has a chance of accomplishing something positive.

Obummer is on Zelaya’s side largely because Obummer also wants to serve more than the legal 2 terms as president (he wants it for life). Also, Zelaya is a socialist, as is Obummer.

Just my opinion.
http://www.ellowcn.com/ AnnaHopn

Ugh, I liked! So clear and positively.
Thank you