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Michael Jackson, Freak Show RIP

JULY 8th UPDATE: COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED IN THIS THREAD. Please post new comments in the second thread posted July 8th. (The original post was bumped up from July 6, 2009.)

Can we give it a rest? The media has lost its fucking mind (of course, that presumes they had a mind to lose). Covering his memorial service live? We have officially departed reality as a society.

Michael Jackson was a talented performer. A decent singer (not great, and certainly limited to a particular genre) and a fabulous dancer/choreographer. But that’s it. His personal life was a disaster. He spent most of his life trying to look and act like a white woman, and yet gets praise from the likes of Al Sharpton as some sort of black savior.

Excuse me, but by the end of his life Jackson was looking like Lisa Minelli on a bad hair day. And the media wants to honor this freak?

I understand why Michael Jackson wanted to erase every physical characteristic he shared with his father. His father was a bad, tough, greedy guy. But he did get his sons and daughters the chance for a fabulous life that all have exploited to their fullest extent. Fame and fortune. Oh boo hoo. They made a lot of money and had a lot of obnoxious fans. Well, if you don’t like it, give up the damn money and go get a job at K-Mart. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and sing.

I don’t completely blame Michael Jackson for being such a twisted clown. He was enabled by a swarm of strap hangers. Who was the first plastic surgeon that agreed to start the transformation of Michael’s face? The early Michael Jackson was a handsome, attractive man child. The doctors who carved up his face just because he hated his father should lose their medical licenses. They violated their oath to do no harm. They did plenty of harm.

Michael Jackson’s true legacy is one of mediocrity. He did not sustain a successful career stretching over decades. He did not continue to produce music that resonated with the public. He did not mount great, lasting charitable efforts. He died as a pathetic nostalgic figure who had no sense about how to behave around children.

To listen to Al Sharpton complain that Jackson is not getting the respect of a Frank Sinatra is laughable. Sinatra won an Oscar. Michael? He may have wanted a date with Oscar the Grouch but he was an awful actor and had a face at the end of his life only appropriate for horror flicks. Sinatra made music over a span of 60 years. Jackson? Barely 30 years.

And let’s face it, Jackson was a self-absorbed creep who did little for others. Compare what he did with the money he made and what Tiger Woods has done with the money he’s made. Woods has earned far less and down far more in a shorter time frame than Jackson achieved throughout his entire life. Michael Jackson is and was a self-indulgent freakshow. And tomorrow, when all of the TV networks in the United States tune in to cover this clown as if he was the assassinated head of state then we confirm that our nation is Michael Jackson, a massive self-indulgent freakshow.

Michael is a sad, tragic figure. He died never having grown up. Despite his talent he remained a bad child–self-indulgent, undisciplined and shallow to the end. He lacked a parent to direct him, discipline him and challenge him to achieve great things. He spent $30 million a month, indulged in illegal drugs with the help of enabling doctors and killed himself through neglect and abuse. And because of this the so-called news media is going to treat his memorial service as a major news event. If you understand this then it is easy to understand why a guy with little experience in government or running anything requiring genuine management experience can become President.

We must admit the truth–we are getting the entertainers and politicians we deserve.

  • connie

    NY rep. Pete King agrees, and kudos to both of you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgJNdlSWSO0

    • Down

      Love King’s great Republican outreach strategy. That tent is getting broader! Sotomayor with Latinos and now Jackson with blacks.

      I would expect nothing less from NQ and Larry on Michael Jackson.

      Who cares? Why do you even feel the need to write about this? He meant a lot of things to a lot of people and frankly the media wouldn’t do the story if it did not give them ratings and dollars. Don’t blame the media, they are just trying to make a buck.

    • fif

      Oh come on–what Peter King said was despicable. Making a comment about the overzealous media coverage is one thing, but calling Jackson a “low life pervert” is crass, especially for a public representative. What does his You Tube rant have to do with his constituents?

      • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

        Gotta agree. Peter King was just trying to stick his snout in the publicity trough. What a hypocrite.

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        I for the most part didn’t believe the allegations, but…what if they are true?

        Lots of people believe he was guilty. And there were multiple allegations. Just because someone wasn’t convicted doesn’t necessarily mean they are innocent. Sure, in the eyes of the law they are, but they aren’t always.

        What is he did it?

        • Docelder

          I wouldn’t want a fifty year old man who tries to be Peter Pan hanging around my kids either way. Conduct wouldn’t have to be sexual to be inappropriate. But then he “bought” some white kids of his own that could never be taken away. Anonymous sperm and anonymous egg and carried by a paid surrogate he then married for a while. The whole thing is more than creepy.

          • hokma

            How old was Mary Martin when she played Peter Pan? And she wasn’t even a guy.

            • Ferd Berfle

              She didn’t have all sorts of children at her house for sleep-overs, either. The analogy falls to pieces there.

        • trixta

          I do think MJ was brilliant in his own right and I don’t want to diminish his importance in pop music, etc. Certainly, I think he’s an iconic figure at the level of Elvis, Sinatra, The Beatles. But I’m ambivalent about the accusations of molestation — and only because he was acquitted of the charges he faced in the court of law. Certainly, his fascination with children was unhealthy, and that has bothered me all along. But whether or not the rumors were true, I can’t say with absolute certainty.

          • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

            He was amazing when he performed. Seeing so many videos this past week, I remembered all the good times – I blogged about it on my other blog.

            The allegations always bothered me, and the first time, I didn’t believe them. Then he paid the $25M…. then there were more allegations. He should have never put himself in that position – whether he was guilty or innocent, his people should have kept him away from a situation where he would be accused/or molest. He either opened himself up to charges, or he was guilty or molestation.

            I really hope it isn’t true. But if it is, I feel bad for the children with this display.

            I do agree that after he hit 35 or 40 it became downright creepy. The documentary of the kid when he said they slept together was way creepy.

            And these kind of stories…

            http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jhudnall/2009/06/26/my-michael-jackson-experience/

            If he did molest kids, I tend to think he didn’t *think* he was hurting them.. I don’t know…he was so bizarre, and it is impossible to know, because we don’t know him.

            • lorac

              “If he did molest kids, I tend to think he didn’t *think* he was hurting them.. I don’t know…”

              As opposed to a child molester, a pedophile believes that they love the children, that what they are doing to them is good for the children – the fact that it is an adult and a child participating in sex or other inappropriate behavior isn’t the way they see it – they just see themselves as someone providing “real love” to the child.

              Last week I saw someone on TV saying, oh no, MJ loved children, he would ever do anything to hurt them. I have no idea what actually happened behind those closed doors, but my immediate reaction to that TV person was – you really would have to be specific about what would be hurtful to a child, because a pedophile’s definition of that is different than others’.

              • Ferd berfle

                Spot on, Lorac. It is all about definitions and the tendency of some to equivocate.

              • FranSC

                Over the years I was not sure what to believe about the charges brought against MJ. Was he another OJ that got off? His attorneys talked this week about how terrified and broken he was that he may be convicted of those charge.

                Then people like Geraldo, Donald Trump, Brooke Shields and many others said, under no circumstances was MJ a pedophile, but simply a sweet man who tried to give children the childhood he did not have. MJ lived for a while in one of Trump’s buildings and would regularly go by and play with Trumps children. Trump said he was crazy about children.

                After seeing this 10-days of non-stop coverage, I believe MJ simply never grew up, but I am convinced he was not guilty of the charges against him. It was about extorting money. As one person said, “Neverland was his own personal kindergarten”.

                He should never have put himself in the position he did with having children in his home and for overnight stays. After his trial, he told some that they would never see that again. At least he learned. He was not defiant like OJ.

                According to many of these same people, the trials destroyed him and he continued down that very destructive path that led to today.

        • elise

          AGI, I will always believe OJ Simpson murdered two people and walked out of the courtroom a free man. My son was home that summer of the trial and we watched a lot of the coverage and we were stunned by his acquittal.

          I didn’t pay much attention to Michael Jackson’s trial. I normally don’t pay a lot of attention to Bill O’Reilly either, but he made an interesting point today. He showed a video clip of an interview in which Jackson admitted he slept with the little boys he invited to Neverland claiming it was an innocent activity.

          O’Reilly asked one of his guests what the public reaction would have been if this kind of admission had been made by any one else. It’s a valid question.

  • fara

    You read my mind. I agree 100%.

  • Betty

    Good for you Larry Johnson, a brilliant analysis!

    • catherine

      I second that!

    • Astounded

      I agree with the article, although I don’t like the use of the “f” words. However, this is all unbelievable. I guess “Sainthood” will be the next step. I just wish we could honor our servicemen and women with such enthusiasm and respect. They are the “Greatest Humantarians” of ALL TIME. I am amazed that people will engulf themselves in such gross idolatry. I fully expect the “wrath of God” to manifest itself soon over this atrociousness!

  • John

    Larry spot on brother, I feel we are being distracted by the media! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    As long as the MSM gets to memorialize MJ then they don’t have to admit what a colossal failure their messiah in chief is. Hmmm. I wonder what they’ll do once Michael is laid to rest??? Oh, that’s right! They’ll cover the custody trial. That could go on for years and years. They may never have to admit their Mistake in the Messiah.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Yeah, I get it. You’re not into Michael Jackson. Say what you will about his talent, the guy still holds the record for biggest selling album of all time-Thriller with 109 million copies sold. The next biggest record is Back in Black at 49 million. The only people/groups to sell more albums than Michael Jackson are The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Bing Crosby.

    And guess what? Lots of artists are fucked up, come from fucked up backgrounds and have done some fucked up stuff. Art museums would be pretty bare if we only cherrised the art of the sane and pleasant.

    I guess by going along with Larry’s reasoning the Beatles, Elvis and Bing Crosby should all be regarded as fucked up drug users and/or who are despicable human beings.

    Sorry, but I’ll take my copies of Sgt Pepper, Elvis Sun Records and Thriller before Larry’s rant.

    • carol haka

      Larry – how rude! He gave $300 million plus to charity and will continue to give 20% to charity after death.

      To hit someone with body dismorphic disease brought on by a cruel leech of a father, is pathetic.

      You may want to re-consider whether a few seconds of being water-boarded is as bad!

      And by the way, before you start on Britney Spears, she turned out to have personally and with her Brand to have given more to the survivors of 9/11 than any other person with her pledged ticket sales.

      I sure many of us could find a lot of fault with your personal life if we chose to induldge.

      God Bless America and it’s Great Citizens of which Michael Jackson is a life-time and after death citizen!

      CAROL HAKA :evil:

      • fif

        Hi Carol! Good to see your “haka” again–I’ve missed it at TC. I’m with you on this one.

        The media, yes, they are insane, but no need to bash Michael because of it. RIP.

        • carol haka

          Good to see you. I miss the thrill of last years fund raising!

          • don tufts

            ladies ,yes he has done some good with charities.but as a recovering addict myself it is very disturbing to see the adulation beeing given to him and not one bit of using this as a cautionary example to young people of the dangers of supposidly legal drugs.
            bottom line the man was a practicing addict and died of his addictions .any justification of his drug use is enabling and at that point you might as well hand the drugs to an addict yourself.

            • Chicago Joe

              I think Michael Jackson was one of the great talents our our time. As far as the “truth” about him, whether it be related to the allegations regarding children, or his drug use, I doubt that we will ever see it. For example, early reports on the day he died spoke to his emaciation, his needle-riven body, and his overall frailty. Then the video of his rehearsal came out, and you can see that he was physically agile, able to dance and to sing. So those reports were hyperbole at best and flat-out lies at worst. No doubt he had had his demons, but I don’t believe half of what has been written about him. And it will be near-impossible to determine the facts post-humously as all the vultures seek their piece of the pie. May he rest in peace, and may those who have told tales about him have their due. If he ever did hurt a child, God help him, and God will deal the consequences. But the glare of the spotlight is cruel (e.g. Sarah Palin and her children), and much of what is exposed may be exaggeration and spin. Like all geniuses, he was flawed. What will live on is his work.

    • fif

      Well said, I agree. Let’s condemn Van Gogh & Walt Whitman et. al. while we’re at it.

    • Nancy

      Nicely said!

  • Joanie in Brooklyn

    Sinatra who?

  • EWard

    Larry

    Bravo to your comments! The phrase “we get the government we deserve” is getting traction in the media. Thanks for having the courage to tell it like it is. I can’t stand Sharpton. He is a total hypocrite. He calls for a boycott of the NY Post because of an editorial cartoon about Obama and then remains silent about the vicious Palin attacks.

    The new media – Twitter, blogging, Facebook, YouTube, etc. – seems to be creating new cultural norms that are feeding this celebrity frenzy.

  • hokma

    “a self-absorbed creep who did little for others”

    This much I can agree with, but because nearly all people had little or no understanding of what he had and why he did to himself the things he did.

    Michael had vitilogo. It’s a creeping disfigurement where you lose your pigment. For a white person it means staying out of the sun and not getting tanned. For a black or latino person it is horrific. You’ve seen people like this on the street and you may think they are scarred from burns.

    It starts with spots on your hands (hence the glove), then the wrists (hence the long sleeves), then the neck (hence the high collars), then effects your face (hence the bleaching of the skin which doctors tell you to do), in particular if affects the nose (why he cut it down), and then it covers most of your body and requires you to stay out of the sun or risk skin cancer (hence the hats and umbrella). There are doctors who will graft skin from an unaffected part to one that is (like the face). Those are the physical problems.

    Then there is the emotional horror of disfigurement for anyone because of this, and how badly people are treated who have it and cannot hide it. Particularly young black and latino kids. Try to imagine what a person goes through psychologically as this creeping disfigurement takes over and they feel like a lepper.

    Now imagine you are in your 20′s and are the biggest rock star in the world.

    I read crap from Quincy Jones who said that “the excuse of vitiligo was B.S.” regarding Michael becoming white. That is downright stupid. Jackson had no choice. Jones was clearly only a friend of convenience for Michael to say such an ignorant thing.

    And that is the problem, Larry. Michael Jackson had no support system of people as he grew older with this condition. Leaches – too many of them – who told him what he wanted to hear and did not dare to challenge him and forfeit their paycheck. I know one of them and leach is a kind word.

    Getting back to what you said, “a self-absorbed creep who did little for others.” What Jackson should have done is not just admit to the vitiligo, but to become a spokespeson for it, to raise money, and to find a cure. Had he done this it he not only would have been helping young black and latino kids who have to suffer with it, but it would have been cathartic for himself. But he only felt sorry for himself and did nothing. That is tragic.

    • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

      Vitilogo my ass. Bullshit and horseshit together. He bleached his skin. I have a good friend with the disease. Jackson most certainly did not have it.

      Stop the kool aid hokma.

      • Arabella Trefoil

        I think he was really Irish and he was covered with one big freckle.

      • candymarl

        Agreed Mr. Johnson. My first cousin has the disease and no doctor ever suggested she bleach her skin. In fact, as she’s gotten older the discoloration has faded somewhat.

        Michael was certainly an unhappy soul in serious need of therapy. But like many famous people his past is already being re-written because of his tragic death.

        • hokma

          Maybe because she was white and not black or latino.

          When you are black or latino doctors first tell you to color in your skin with matching markup but when the white spots start to dominate the dark spots then you bleach or even consider depigmentation which is more permanent.

          I really wish the people here would got to almost any website and learn about Vitiligo before coming to poor conclusions.

          • candymarl

            Umm she is black. As I grew up with her from the time I was child I have seen what she looks like. I can tell you she never had her skin bleached. I can tell you that her condition is now less pronounced.

            Remember, everyone does not have the same reaction to the same disease.

            • hokma

              I have never read of vitiligo becoming less pronounced with black or latino people.

              Is she sure she had vitiligo or could have been some other skin problem. The only reason it could become less pronounced is that her surrounding skin is getting lighter from age.

        • Ferd Berfle

          But like many famous people his past is already being re-written because of his tragic death.

          Indeed, Candymarl. They are going to recreate him into who they wanted him to be and not who he really was.

          • hokma

            This is like who he really was when he was still in is 20′s:

            http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4075652&page=1

            Lee Thomas is a Black Detroit newscaster who one day took off his markeup and exposed his Vitiligo. As he gets older he will have to consider other methods than coloring in his spots like depigmentation or bleaching.

            You may want to read more about the trauma people go through with this disease and those are people with have good parents, close spouses, and good friends – something Jackson never had and resulted in his freakshow appearance and antics.

            • Ferd Berfle

              I made no mention of his disease and your comment should not have been attached to mine..

              It is you need to go back and check where you should have responded. My comment was solely about his followers.

              • hokma

                Sorry. It was for Candymarl.

      • hokma

        NO different than Quincy Jones.

        I would STRONGLY suggest you read some articles on Vitiligo before bloviating on something you have absolutely no knowledge of and make yourself appear foolish.

        As far as kool aid – no one has to tell me about Vitiligo but clearly you are drinking the same stuff I’ve been reading from other reporters who don’t know about it.

        Go ahead. Read some articles.

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        Thank you, Larry. This is complete BS. This person seems to think that vitilogo is leprosy. It doesn’t look like burn scars; or need noses cut off; or cause physical pain.

        And btw, I was jumped all over for telling people here that celebrity worship is laughable; that the same people who see through Obama are worshiping Jackson. sad.

        I like Sarah, but she’s a human not a saint.

        • hokma

          Ignorance must be bliss for you.

          This is like what Jackson looked like when he was still in is 20’s:

          http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4075652&page=1

          Lee Thomas is a Black Detroit newscaster who one day took off his markeup and exposed his Vitiligo. As he gets older he will have to consider other methods than coloring in his spots like depigmentation or bleaching.

          You may want to read more about the trauma people go through with this disease before mindlessly bloviating.

          Jackson’s physical pain was because he dancing the way he did in his 20′s 20 years later.

          Like I said, ignorance can be bliss for people like you. Read some articles and look at pictures of people with this.

      • pyjama

        Larry,

        I’ve spoken to many physicians and they concur. Vitiligo does not have the appearance of what Michael Jackson manifested.

    • carol haka

      He also had Lupus. Not to mention having fallen off a stage and having had his scalp and neck set on fire!

  • trixta

    I think Jackson was a tragic figure who lost touch with reality. But I do think he contributed to music and pop culture more than you say, Larry. Yes, I ,too, find the coverage annoying, although I understand it given the celebrity culture we live in. But thanks to this website, we posters here can escape the non-stop msm coverage of Jackson’s death.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Michael Jackson has sold almost as many copies of Thriller (109 Million) as Frank Sinatra’s entire catalog (sales at 150 million).

    • Don

      And, the point being?

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        Exactly…who cares? You’d think they were Avatars sent to save the universe. Ick. This past week has been so drenched in smarm…sick, sick, sick.

        • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

          Well, it demonstates that his popularity cuts across gender and racial lines, and unlike most is almost all artists, he moved records on a global basis, not just in the US market. Obviously his music and particularly Thriller seemed to have interested people worldwide, and is easily considered one of the greatest albums of all time.

          When it’s only the Beatles and Elvis who have sold more records than you, that’s pretty goddamned impressive. It’s like you can’t even acknowledge that.

  • Ellen D

    And to firmly grasp the third rail and be accused of being a racist – has anyone seen such Afro-centric broadcasting since Obama became President?!!!
    If I had the time, I’d catalog all the commercials and promotions featuring black families that are now on the air.
    No Jackson coverage can be done except by a black reporter.
    The headlines today feature Michelle and family’s fashions in Russia. No political analysis, just pure black celebrity worship.
    I have definitely had it. Post-racial? – puleeeze!!!
    Wake me when it’s over.

    • tama bo

      You deserve the sleep of the ages.

      Your puny pride pales to the power of demographics.

      Kiss your ass good-bye pissant.

      Post-racial? You’re dead.

      • Ferd Berfle

        And your puny pride precedes a most certain fall, bot. If the opinion of a regular on this site offends you, then kindly go somewhere else with your ad hominem abusives. This isn’t PC world.

        Kiss your ass good-bye pissant.

        Idle threats, there, Sparky?

    • Klooster

      Amen sister. Blacks are only about 12% of the population in the US, but watching all the commercials, TV programs, announcers and MJ over-kill one would think we were living in the blackest of black Africa. For goodness sake give it a rest people.

      • Ellen D

        DCMediagirl’s reaction was why I said I was touching the third rail.
        My white mom was dating a black guy in the 1930s with the approval of her father, and a number of my friends are mixed race.
        But a number of my friends are also Asian and I don’t see them anywhere.
        I have an advertising background. Using blacks in commercials was popular in the 60s which was great because of the civil rights movement. But this wave is just riding on the fashion wave of cynical celebrity exploitation (Obama included).
        Black is the new fashion, and I’m getting a bit overdosed. Maybe I just watch too much CNN.

      • trixta

        Ugly comments by Ellen and Klooster! Who cares what race people are on TV! If there are more black faces on TV since the election of BO, its because they are promoting BO rather than any “blackness” he might represent.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          Reality bites.

        • Docelder

          they are promoting BO rather than any “blackness” he might represent.

          Very darn astute. If not that, then why now and not when Bush was president? Because it isn’t at all about the random black faces. It is more about That One. Everything now is That One.

      • SJ

        But you guys now have a black president so what gives if the media pays respect to another black star, was that now what some of you voted for “change”

    • DCMediagirl

      And to firmly grasp the third rail and be accused of being a racist – has anyone seen such Afro-centric broadcasting since Obama became President?!!! If I had the time, I’d catalog all the commercials and promotions featuring black families that are now on the air.

      Wow. Looks like the sight of all those dusky-skinned folk on the teevee is profoundly upsetting to you.

      No Jackson coverage can be done except by a black reporter.

      Flat out wrong and delusional.

      What you write sounds like it’s been copied from Aryan Nation literature. Don’t like Michael Jackson or Obama because you don’t agree that they’re talented, or object to policy positions or criticize profligate spending, or disapprove of lifestyle choices, etc.? Fair enough. But to complain about all the “darkies” on TV and feign concern that you’ll be accused of being racists? Priceless!

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Does it bother the media that the rats have started to notice the intent of the messages through the media lately? Black is the new gay.

        Back to black next door neighbors in movies instead of gay ones. Messages are always imbedded in the media.

        Meanwhile the statistics will still bear out that most of America is white and straight.

        This is in no way a slam at anyone, just a pragmatic fact.

        • http://firefox AnnieCollier

          If you check out the home channel, you’d think that any couple looking to buy or sell a house is mixed race. Personally I don’t care but the cynicism of the media is on every channel. This is the new PC.

          In the 60′s there was a cultural message that the Left pushed that if everyone intermingled, it would eliminate racism. I recall at the end of one SF Peace March, Eldridge Cleaver was vilified by the crowd by advocating that blacks preserve their culture and color and not take up with whites. He was booed. I thought about how boring it would be if everyone in the world was light tan…

          Every race has beauty, why not celebrate and appreciate the differences?

          • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

            If you check out the home channel, you’d think that any couple looking to buy or sell a house is mixed race. Personally I don’t care but the cynicism of the media is on every channel. This is the new PC.

            Bullshit. Mixed race couples are becoming more and more prevalent. Not cynicism. Reality.

        • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

          Buzz: So following your logic all the folk you see on TV should be white and straight? Why does it bother you so much that more minorities and gay people are being represented?

          I see the bigots are out in the open now. I’m sorry that straight white people are so threatened that the minorities are encroaching. I’m half of a mixed race couple. Since you’re so fond of statistics you’ll notice our numbers are growing. Expect to see more couples like us on tv soon. BWAAAHAAAHAAA!

          • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

            Seriously, I take anything you come up with as biased and myopic.

            It doesn’t bother me about over representation of minorities. Does it bother you that the majority is still white and straight in America?

          • lorac

            “more minorities and gay people are being represented? ”

            I think the original poster mentioned wondering what happened to Asians – I’ve wondered that myself. I virtually never see them on TV, and only a little more do I see hispanics. It’s as if half the country is white, half is black, and there’s no one else.

            I think it’s a valid observation that “minority” is basically represented by blacks – which isn’t even demographically accurate, as hispanics are double the number of blacks in the US. So I don’t think it’s fair to label someone with an insinuation of racism if they acknowledge that other minorities are represented less well on TV than they used to be.

      • slam i am

        This isn’t aryan nations speaking here. It is the trooof. Don’t think the Big Media is doing a favor for blacks by representing them so unfailingly favorably in every commercial, every newscast, every sit-com. It is a strange form of subtle racism we get when we have to have depicted the burnished, varnished scrubbed clean black figure for mass consumption. Why can’t Morgan Freeman ever play a character with flaws? Oh heaven forbid that we see blacks as humans with flaws. But no, we have to see blacks a some kind of superhuman angels with souls of platinum in our media, to polish the truth that we really see them in real life as somehow lacking. It is an overcompensation for a persistent character flaw that everyone in media boardrooms sees but wont admit they see. ONLY when we start to see real people depicted with dark skin, complete with blemishes and shortcomings and without that persistent smile that we see on every black face in every ad, only then will we have really matured as a society. Only then will we have become post racial. What we have now is a WEIRD overcompensation. I have not been able to watch TV or movies since the 90s without thinking in the back of my head: My country is fucking weird when it comes to race. Neurotic. Hyterical. Grow up. United Colors of Benneton do not show racial harmony in their ads. They show race as fetishized and weaponized: Buy our shit or you hat miscegenation. I for one will never buy from a growing list of batshit crazy corporations who “use” race in their ads.

        • slam i am

          p.s. MJ was a child molester criminal who was big in the 80s. That’s about it as far as I’m concerned. When my friends and family die, I mourn. When celebs die, I ignore the hype. If I didn’t know them personally, how could my heart weep for them? It’s stone cold. I’ve got more important things going on in life, thanks.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          Great response.

          Want some cognitive dissonance? Try putting the media and the truth in the same room.

        • DCMediagirl

          Denzel Washington, a much admired and beloved actor, won the Oscar for playing a sleazebag corrupt cop. And if anyone thinks all depictions of blacks in the media are positive then check out the misogynistic, materialistic, thuggish and generally trashy offerings on BET.

          And the word “miscegenation” is loaded and ugly.

          • lorac

            BET? Isn’t that the Black Entertainment station….? Kind of a station by blacks for blacks?

            • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

              Kind of like Ebony magazine.

        • lorac

          It’s only going to buttress the tendency of people to cry “racism” whenever a black person is criticized. When that congress person said today that MJ was a pedophile I heard that several people called that racist. It gave me traumatic memories of the election. It’s not a healthy environment for “truth”.

    • trixta

      If I had the time, I’d catalog all the commercials and promotions featuring black families that are now on the air.

      As a minority I find your statement disturbing, Ellen. Who cares what color anyone is in commercials, or how many people of color are featured in TV ads? If the media are showcasing black families, it is to promote Obama and what they think he represents — an African American man. What they don’t want you to see is that he’s of mixed race, and that he’s done nothing for the African American community.

      • Ellen D

        I agree with you about the media, trixta but I find it strange that your phrase “as a minority” automatically means black. There are other minorities.
        Someone recently said that things are getting down to people being black or they are automatically categorized as white – including Asians, and I can see that happening.
        I find this strangely polarizing.
        And I agree with you about his inaction with the African American community.

    • Alex

      What’s “in” will be out soon enough.

  • Arabella Trefoil

    OMG! I have to get a ticket to the funeral. How do I get one?

    No, I don’t have a job, a place to live, or more than one set of underwear. Who cares? I need to get a ticket to the funeral. I’m so sad about … What war? I’m sad about Michael’s passing. Is it true he is being buried in a casket made of gold?

    OMG!

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  • http://www.missmalevolent.com Miss Malevolent

    While I don’t have anywhere near the visceral reaction as Larry does in this piece about who and what Jackson represented…

    I do agree that this is a complete waste of time.

    I wasn’t around when Elvis died, but I think this is the same hoopla that surrounded that death.

    A man that hadn’t had a hit in years, basically a Wayne Newton (performing in Vegas) that received astronomical attention and praise after he died.

    I think that’s what people are trying to do here with Michael Jackson. Make him another Elvis…so unfortunately it’s just going to get bigger and bigger as the years go on.

    What I want to know is…who said that life was promised to anyone? Just because a person is a celebrity doesn’t mean they don’t succumb to the same things “normal” folks go through.

    I see people crying and weeping about Michael, Princess Diana, and Farrah Fawcett…and while I’m not celebrating their deaths I simply don’t care.

    How many 10s of thousands died at the same exact moment as Michael? No one is weeping over them all save their closest friends and loved ones…(if they died peacefully that is).

    Plus, why all the shock over a guy; who was obviously too thin, 50 years old, stressed out over a tour and full of prescription drugs, dying?

    Seems like it was inevitable. But hell, anyone can step off a curb and get hit by a car. Life is not promised to anyone.

    This country is just really silly and I would just like to repeat what, Larry Johnson, said:

    We must admit the truth–we are getting the entertainers and politicians we deserve.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      True. But it’s worse – the entertainers and the politicians are now the same people.

      I have two final exams on Wednesday, and I’d rather cry about dead celebrities than study. To tell the truth, I’ve haven’t done much except eat, sleep and study for the past couple of months.

  • rw

    Finally, some common sense. I went to CNN site to read on McNamara’s passing, hoping to get some insight on the former SoS – having read his book The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam -, instead I find articles about insignificant MJ and pics on dumbasses holding tickets to the marketing crap show to come.

    150+ dead in Xinjinag, 7 US soldiers killed in Afghanistan, US & Russian agree to mayor nuclear arms reduction, Iran continues with arrest of reformers, but CNN gives top billing to MJ. News for the mob, really, just keep them entertained, dumb, but entertained.

    • Senneth

      It is truly like the “bread and circuses” mentality. While I never listened to Jackson’s music, but have heard from relatives he made significant contributions to the industry and to society, enough already! We are in a troubling economic downspin, with lots more downspin to happen, That One is running our country into the ground with his cronies, the continued tragic news from the Middle East, now China, and more, and yet the media continues to fixate on a singer’s death. We have literally turned into a rock idol mentality nation. And that’s more than just a sad thing.

  • Patience

    Al Sharpton’s revisionist remarks crediting MJ for breaking racial barriers is an insult to the many popular AA entertainers who came before him. I hope those who are still alive, and especially those with yet-viable careers (unlike MJ) are affronted as their talent and contributions to the entertainment industry are diminished by this racist imbecile’s blathering.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      It was interesting to see some young black people in the music industry comment about Michael Jackson. One guy said Jackson hadn’t had a hit in years and the other said Jackson handled his career poorly – didn’t have good advisers etc.

      • Ferd Berfle

        You should have heard Chris Rock talk about Jackson in a stand-up routine a couple of years ago. He was blistering. Suffice it to say, he didn’t care for Michael.

        • Arabella Trefoil

          I would have loved to have seen that!

          • Ferd Berfle

            It was great. The bottom line for Chris was that Prince deserved far more accolades than Jackson and I’m inclined to agree.

      • Doc99

        Jackson didn’t handle many things well. He had way too many “Yes Men.” What he desperately needed were some “No Men.”

        Larry, thanks for your perspective.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    I’ll give Michael Jackson this over Presley though, at least Jackson DID write some of his own music. I don’t think Presley wrote a single song.

  • Diana

    I agree Larry, Michael’s life a was a tragedy from the start. A tragedy that we all watched unfold and were helpless to do anything to help. Most of the early abuse didn’t come to light till he was a grown man, by then the damage was done.

    Now we have the media making his death into a freak show. They didn’t go overboard with Elvis. An article here, another there. I saw a recap of his funeral on the 6 o’clock news. When John Lennon was murdered…I will honor him as an entertainer. I will not pay honor to his life. He never received the help mentally that he so desperately needed. He was taught early on he couldn’t trust any adult, it was all about how much money he could make them, or they wanted. I wouldn’t wish what he went through on any child or human being.

    • Diana

      That should read child or adult. I had a different sentence in there I edited and left human being and took out adult. Sorry.

    • DCMediagirl

      They didn’t go overboard with Elvis. An article here, another there.

      Incorrect. Presley’s death generated extensive, non-stop coverage around the world. Also he died before 24-hour cable and the Internet.

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        And, they’ve turned Graceland into a non-stop cash cow. Women still go to the grave. Elvis turned on my generation. He was certainly no God and fell prey to all the excesses of fame.

        The Jackson family have absolutely no scruples.
        Farah Fawcett’s friends and family handled it just right. “Farah’s gone.” Private service by invitation. Period. They could have set the stage for a media circus too. The Jackson’s have always been about creating a circus atmosphere from the start. Low class.

        • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

          John Lennon was no saint either. Major LSD taker, self admitted pot smoker and peyote/mushroom eater (in his last Playboy interview), on top of heroin and cocaine use. He was also known to have given Cynthia and Yoko a few good walloping as well.

          Let me quess. You’re one of those types that when they hear Imagine on the radio they go out of their way to tell everyone in listening distance what an asshole John Lennon was.

      • Diana

        I was alive. I was a grown woman and you’re wrong there was cable TV when he died. I had it! I had Showtime, HBO, and The Movie Channel. He died in 1977 just 5 years before my daughter was born. Cable came in 1972! So don’t come with that BS!

        They did not hijack our television local channels ALL DAY LONG. I still watched Days of our Lives, One Life to Live, and All my Children. There was nothing till the news, except for the breaking news when he died.

        • Diana

          Oh and BTW I can tell you exactly what it looked like. It was a black box almost the size of our TV that sat on our TV and had a big black box that connected into it by a cable that we used to change channels. It wasn’t like today there was only about 30 to 40 channels, but we had cable by the late 70′s. In fact we had many of the same channels that you get even today when you have extend basic cable. CNN has given 24 hour news coverage since 1980. So there were plenty of outlets that could have taken over out televisions like they have for MJ. Pfft no cable coverage…..PLEASE!

          • DCMediagirl

            In 1977 here was no CNN, no MSNBC, no Fox, etc…only the evening and local news. The advent of cable news and the Internet has changed the way news is covered for better and for worse. HBO and the other channels you mention don’t do news.

            • Ferd berfle

              You are correct but the advent of these 24-hour news channels has not made us any more aware of our surroundings or any more sophisticated, especially when the latest star’s hangnail brings all the other truly important news to a screeching halt on these alleged 24/7 news outlets. All this represents is a further deflection of attention FROM items that have true import TO items that have no bearing on our long-term health or happiness. Michael Jackson will never be anything more than a footnote in history. Dubya and That One will garner much more attention for their impact on the world. Too bad most Americans didn’t pay as much attention to the words and deeds of these two as they paid to MJ.

  • HARP

    I`ll buy a ticket to Al Sharpton’s funeral. One less low life racist.

    • Alex

      Bravo!

  • Ferd Berfle

    Astute analysis, Larry. The American public, in general, has their priorities all screwed up. Here in Tennessee, they’re collectively gnashing their teeth and wringing their hands over the death of a former NFL quarterback, McNair. Yes, it is a sad story but it really doesn’t deserve all the mind-numbing prattle being devoted to it. These people behave as though dying is something new, worthy of 24/7 coverage. Wow.

    • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

      Fred,
      I was at a 4th of July Birthday Party for a retired B-52 pal of mine. One of the attendees played football with McNair. As soon as the news broke the retired NFL guy said, “its drugs or trim or a combo of the two.” Looks like he had it nailed.
      LJ

      • Ferd Berfle

        Indeed. One should pay close attention to the company he/she keeps.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          This was my thought, also. There could only be gansta mentality working here.

  • oowawa

    Got the news that Michael died on the internet–maybe it was here. Don’t watch TV anymore, don’t read magazines, don’t subscribe to a newspaper. I was watching TV back when Anna Nicole Smith died, and that non-stop circus followed by the deification of Barack Hussein Obama did it for me. Okay–if, on the hoopla scale, 1 to 10, Anna Nicole gets a 9, what does Jackson rate?

    • Ferd Berfle

      A 14?

      • oowawa

        LOL–A 14?!?! I’m so glad I missed it. Funny cloud formations today . . . neighbor’s cat died . . .

  • Joanie in Brooklyn

    Sinatra is known for his singing, so how many Grammys did he get? How many records did he sell? Did his death impact people around the world? Michael didn’t get an Oscar but then I don’t remember him doing much, if any, acting. So why the specious comparison?

    You don’t like Michael fine. But his career spanned most of his 50 years. Your analysis is bent by your loathing of the media coverage. That’s too bad, because I usually agree with you. But by your analysis, I’m one of his “obnoxious” fans. You’re intelligent enough to know that when a person has millions of fans around the world, they can’t possibly all be obnoxious. So why have you come unhinged? That’s how you sound in this rant; unhinged. (Peter King sounds like he’s just trying to horn in on the media coverage. Anyone with an opinion about Michael is being heard; King’s otherwise irrevelant) Sinatra’s been dead for some time, how are his great lasting charitable efforts going? Remember We Are The World? That was Michael’s idea.

    You like Tiger Woods. Fine. I’m not a golf fan but I’m not aware of any of Tiger’s philantrophic efforts, so maybe you can enlighten me.

    The coverage is over the top. There’s no need for networks to cover the service live. But as with everything else that you don’t like on tv, don’t watch. We, as a nation, have become a massive self-indulgent freak show, but we were on our way to becoming that long before Michael Jackson ever stepped in front of a mike.

    • Ferd Berfle

      I think the ultimate point is that he was just an entertainer.

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        Just an entertainer? That’s the biggest pile of crap. Jackson just happens to hold the record for biggest selling album of all time, more than twice than the next biggest album sold. Say what you want, Thiller as a pop album is a masterpiece that rates along with the best albums of all time.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Irrespective of your claims to the contrary–he was just an entertainer. He had no effect on my life either negative or positive. I liked a lot of his music but he was not the focus of my existence. If he was the focus of anyone’s existence, they certainly could have done other things with their allotted time on earth.

          Your statement that he made the biggest album sold begs the question, “So what?” Does this justify all the blathering makes me have to check through 500 channels just to find one that perhaps has something other than melodramatic re-re-hashings of his life?

          Sorry, but this should be put to rest.

          • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

            So what? It’s a huge artistic milestone and merrit. You are obviously not an artist, nor do you have any artistic ability. If you did, you would understand how such an achievment warrants such attention. I’m not a huge fan but Off the Wall and Thriller are definitely worth a tip of the hat.

            Just because you don’t like music doesn’t make it an invalid artform, or that art is invalid in general.

            Sheesh, have the cretins taken over?

            • Ferd Berfle

              You are obviously not an artist, nor do you have any artistic ability.

              Aside from being a Chemist, I am a pianist and a hand-drummer. That shows your prognosticative abilities.

              I said he was an entertainer. If I had more talent I would have used it to become an entertainer, too. I chose another path.

              Just because you don’t like music doesn’t make it an invalid artform, or that art is invalid in general.

              Another wrong guess. I have a collection of over 6000 albums from classical to new wave; from rockabilly to bluegrass; from country to R&B. My tastes run the gamut. I collect music and perhaps that gives me a much broader view of musical artistry than the average American. His music is just another part of that collection.

              • TeakWoodKite

                Calling Grumpy Old Guy. Big siloutte against the night sky.

                Ferd, that collection include any Zappa?

                (since we are talking about dead musicians.)

                • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

                  MJ did one thing. He crossed over into the rock world on Beat It by using Eddie Van Halen and Steve Lukather. But he didn’t do it alone. Quincy Jones was in there making the decisions, also.

                  Does that require all the media adulation? Probably not. Certainly not 25 years after the fact.

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    When I think of musical greatness, I do not mean one who sold the most albums, as many commenters have stated. That is akin to saying that McDonald’s is the best restaurant because they have sold the most burgers. One does not necessarily follow the other. Popularity does not equate to being the “best”.

                    • lorac

                      “Popularity does not equate to being the “best”.”

                      Witness the last election.

                  • Ferd Berfle

                    Administrator: Could you please extricate yet another of my comments from the trash-compactor? I really don’t know why this one went south on me.

                    Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

                • Ferd Berfle

                  I have all of Zappa’s original music, (not the stuff that came out after he died).

                  • Onofre’s arm

                    Well great googly moogly, that explains much about you ferd. From now on I’ll keep in mind that the poodle bites, the poodle chews it, when I read your posts. And your constantly bitter demeanor is obviously due to regularly eating yellow snow. It’s all so clear now.

        • rw

          The marvels of modern day marketing. Sort of like the real estate bubble, hype it and over price it. Then reality hits, and a lemon is a lemon again.

          • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

            WTF? You don’t sell 109 million albums based on good marketing alone.

            • rw

              Like hell you don’t.

        • Alex

          This site is too low-minded for your high MJ stats. Take your brand of genius somewhere else. It’s a waste here. You’re better served at a BET, MTV, CNN blog.

  • kgirl1028

    Thanks Larryy for clearing that up for me, I had never seen Michael Jacksons progression into freakdom from the Drag queen angle before, but darn it just might work. And to think i wanted to marry the man when i was 5 (yeesh).

    • Diana L. C.

      I always thought he was trying to look like Diana Ross.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        The last nose job was telling. Diana Ross wannabe? I think you’re on to something.

        • viking

          First he tried to make himself into Diana Ross. Later, he was going for Elizabeth Taylor.

          • Onofre’s arm

            But he ended up being Bride of Skeletor!

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    If you think this is bad wait until the last great Beatle and partner of the greatest songwriting team of Lennon/McCartney, Paul McCartney dies.

    Will Larry lament how the Beatles weren’t really that big and Paul McCartney is overrated as a songwriter, and then remind us that McCartney was a fucked up drug user, LSD taker and pot head who should have been sent to jail for years for his drug abuse?

    • Ferd Berfle

      Will Larry lament how the Beatles weren’t really that big and Paul McCartney is overrated as a songwriter, and then remind us that McCartney was a fucked up drug user, LSD taker and pot head who should have been sent to jail for years for his drug abuse?

      The key word you used was “was”. Sir Paul is not the same person he was 40 years ago.

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        Sgt Pepper was a masterpiece that was fueled by the LSD voyages of the Beatles. Sgt Pepper then became the yardstick by which all great albums were measured. To summarily dismiss this as something that happened 40 years ago shows your lack of understanding of the relationship between drugs and art.

        And I think Sir Paul would agree.

        • Ferd Berfle

          You made the comment to which I referred and I stand my my response to it. Paul grew up. Apparently Michael didn’t or he would still be alive. That it the bottom line. The true shame here is that he wasted his talent. I mourn that.

          • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

            Why would you mourn the talent of ‘just some entertainer’? If Thriller was just wasting his talent, then why mourn?

            • Ferd Berfle

              God you are so hung up on this. You are beginning to sound like those who say the same things about Oblahblah. You really need to sit back for a minute and think about this.

              Look, I worship at no man’s feet. Jackson was just an entertainer and just a man. No more and no less. That he made a lot of money and sold a lot of records does not make him a saint beyond reproach.

              So I’ll change my response just a bit. He was just a wealthy entertainer who sold a lot of records and had a lot of fans. Does that satisfy you?

              • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

                And my point is that, when you’re the 3rd biggest selling worldwide artist of all time and you die, yeah, that’s going to be big news.

                • Mary Pat

                  No one is objecting to the fact that Jackson’s death is news. But it’s being reported ad nauseum, and worse, he is being glorified as a person as much (and even more than) as an artist.

                  You may think Jackson was a fantastic entertainer, but he was a despicable person. He shouldn’t be honored with “love vigils” and a postage stamp (Sharpton really is insane). Nor does he deserve accolades like “he was the greatest entertainer there ever has been or ever will be.” Talk about over the top.

                  If you want to know what really went on at Neverland, read Maureen Orth’s Vanity Fair article about the molestation trial. She was in that courtroom every day, and she said in an interview just last week that Jackson walked free only because of his fame and money, and pronounced him a “failure as a human being.”

                  No way you can compare McCartney’s drug use to what MJ was up to at Neverland. And the Beatles were true musical innovators. Jackson? The early Motown artists did it first, and did it better.

                  • bart

                    Ultimately, since we can’t know the absolute truth about aspects of Jackson’s life, merely believe according to our prejudices and desires, I think this argument is a generational one.

                    Every generation thinks the musical icons of the next are both derivative and sleazier than their own. And every generation forgets that the one before it thought exactly the same way.

                    I certainly remember lots of hoopla when John Lennon died. And hoopla is in proportion to the type of media available and the media’s perception of interest in the story.

                    Consequently, I expect gobs and gobs of “Beatles = gods” stories when Paul dies. I’ll just do the sensible thing and turn off the tv. Easy enough to do

  • HARP

    I don`t recall Jamie Foxx saying OJ Simpson was “one of us.”

    • Docelder

      Wait til he is dead. Then he may well be. I can see it now… tried and found not guilty… and having to live under suspicion from then on because he was ***. Fill in the blank. The first thing that comes to mind.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I wonder how much deeper all this MJ stuff is going to put the city of LA’s and Santa Barbara’s budget in. How much of this will be state money that the state of Calif doesnt have.

  • Hg

    Sad state of affairs when the main stream media promotes the adoration and idolization of pedophiles. Jacko was a creep to Nth degree.

    • pal3

      he dude, the father of boy that accused him of molestation admits that he lied. the media isn’t going to report it because they played a part in his demise. the guy was the most famous person in world, don’t you think there would be at least one or two people that want to extort money from him. The FBI in the case said there was no evidence.

      What have you given to charity?…God gave you a life also, why can’t you make something of yourself and give millions to charity.

      • Ferd Berfle

        why can’t you make something of yourself and give millions to charity.

        Someone has to do the real work in this country, e.g., those things that make our society operate. You know, all those untold millions who go to work everyday so you have the electricity, the computer, the phone lines, and all the other interconnectivity that enable you to make your comment her today. Oh, but that isn’t glamorous. Never mind.

        • pal3

          so how much have you given to charity?…probably nothing… don’t be jealous of the gift that God gave him. you’re special too???

          • Ferd Berfle

            Well, dude, you obviously missed the point, which absolutely whizzed past the other point between your shoulder blades.

            To use your adolescent vernacular: Like I give like more than you, like. And I, like, don’t think much of you, you know, adolescent blather like yours, you know?. And like, while Jackson, was like, you know, making music…

            I was busy working with other science professionals helping clean up our environment. I’m trying to make a lasting difference.

            Now go away, little Jackson/obama/dittohead bot back to your day job as poster-child for the No-Child-Left-Behind Act.

            • http://deleted pal3

              working with other science professionals helping clean up our environment…like what? like picking up trash and recycling…I can do that I don’t need to be a science professional.

              • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

                So why aren’t you busy cleaning up after all those thoughtless little snivelers?

              • Alex

                You picked up trash and recycling because someone told you, “Yes, you can!”

  • pal3

    Yeah Larry…You forgot all the charity work he did.he never draw attention to them because he wasn’t self-serving in that way. What have done to help others? Can you compare? Even though I’m not a big fan of his, I can’t deny the affect he had on millions and if this media show let his fans remember and honor him then so be it. It be over soon…

    • viking

      Not soon enough by a long shot.

  • Peggy Sue

    Bread and circuses. That’s what we’re getting and maybe Larry’s right–that’s what we deserve. This is another Princess Di moment, another “moment in history” I never understood.

    As a society, we are driven, absolutely obsessed with this cult of celebrity. I can understand people who admired his early work, his contributions and influence on choreography and musical video. But to pretend that we knew who Michael Jackson was in any real sense [unless your family or a close personal friend] is an absolute crock. For most people he was an image on the screen, a voice pumping through the radio.

    And frankly, I don’t see him as a “tragic” figure but a misguided man who never grew up and was enabled by the adoration of fans and a whole slew of enabling, ass-kissing friends.

    He had all the fame and money in the world. And what did he do? Carved his face into a death mask and died [basically by his own hand] at age 50. I watched an old interview with MJ where he stated he wanted to adopt 2 children from every continent. That was his goal–to collect children like someone else might collect paintings. The man was whacked.

    So sorry. I think I’ll pass on the crying jag. And the idea that we’ll basically have a news blackout with all the hysteria and that a good portion of LA will be closed down for this self-indulgent nonsense is beyond the pale.

    You don’t respect someone’s death by turning it into a public carnival. It just comes off sad and tawdry. People age, lose their mojo and eventually die.

    It happens to everyone. Even a Michael Jackson.

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      Ummm…because without art and artists are culture is virtually dead on arrival. Society is nothing without it’s art and artists.

      Holy shit, I can’t believe that this has to be explained, but hey, we’re sure showing everyone how Michael Jackson fucking sucks. Feel better?

      • Peggy Sue

        I guess it depends where you rank MJ on the ladder of artists. The most important artist or cultural icon in the world, in history?

        Sorry, I don’t buy the spin.

        I’m talking about proportion here. Which we don’t seem to have a handle on anymore. This circus talks less about Jackson’s death but speaks volumes about the self-indulgence of his fans,

        Perfect together.

        • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

          3rd best selling artist of all time behind the Beatles and Elvis.

          Best selling album of all time, more than doubling ACDC’s Back in Black.

          Only The Eagle’s greatist hits has (maybe) sold more albums in the US alone.

          Not to shabby. When you die and the only people who have sold more units than you are Elvis and the Beatles, yeah, that’s going to be big news. Sorry if that bothers people, but it’s the truth.

          • Peggy Sue

            History will judge and rank Michael Jackson in terms of where he may or may not fall in pantheon of “Great Artists.” Commercial success in the moment has very little to do with true greatness in any discipline or art.

            But by the time that happens, you and I and everyone posting on this board will be long gone.

            You can catch in the Afterlife and let me know how it turns out. :0)

          • Portia Elizabeth

            An analogy is: John Wilkes Booth was an acclaimed actor.

    • Hot Librarian

      There was a very famous black American singer who lived in the Sth Of France.She too collected children from many countries. I think it was 29 kids.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Josephine Baker and her hot little banana outfit dancing the shimmy. She believed in a Rainbow world.

      • Ellen D

        Josephine Baker. An amazing lady.

    • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

      Peggy Sue: For what it’s worth I can explain why Princess Diana’s death hit me so hard. She was the first public figure to openly touch an AIDS sufferer -and without gloves. This act was revolutionary and went a long way towards changing the way people treated HIV/AIDS sufferers. My gay friends and those of us who watched them die like flies were grateful that at least she managed to ease if not erase the stigma created by bigots like Jesse Helms and his ilk. For that I will be eternally grateful to her.

      • politicalidentitycrisis

        the difference is that Diana was royalty and I think the service was appropriate. It would be like us having a President die, remeber Kennedy? I wasn’t around then, but I’ve seen footage. Wasn’t his funeral on televisions spanning several days time? I can understand the coverage when a leader dies. I do consider myself a fan of MJ, but this media circus is way beyond too much!

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          It was a media event because it was the first funeral of a president that was televised to the nation or at least the lower forty-eight. It had some mitigating circumstances. An assassination, a moderately popular president, a war, a missile crisis, a young family, a beautiful first lady, and the assassination of the alleged gunman.

          It was soap opera at it’s finest.

      • rw

        -She was the first public figure to openly touch an AIDS sufferer -and without gloves. This act was revolutionary and went a long way towards changing the way people treated HIV/AIDS sufferers.-

        Good point. Diana also worked very hard and gave a voice to the victims of landmines and helped the one person crusader (living in Canada or NE USA?) realize her goal of a world convention against the fabrication and installation of landmines.

  • r2d2

    Larry, I was never a Michael Jackson fan, but I liked a few of his songs. I’m not a musician, but I know and respect many talented musicians (jazz and rock and roll), who admire and considered M.Jackson a music genius. Though these friends admire him, they are not fans of M.Jackson. I may not like Stranviski compositions, but I would not say that Stravinski is not a great composer. Liking or not liking certain music is personal and is not an indication of how good the music is. M.Jackson had too many fans to say he was not a good musician. If dancing and putting a good show is all it takes to have fans, more people would be famous like M.Jackson. I think you are wrong about M.Jackson’s music talent and legacy to the arts.

    The networks are simply giving the fans what the fans want.

    • tzada

      The MSM are doing their job to take attention off of dearest leader. What they don’t get is this. The people who need attention diverted are not falling for it. yawn

      • r2d2

        Not everything revolves around the Dear Leader. Jackson’s memorial will draw viewers, and that’s what the networks want.

        • Don

          “Not everything revolves around the Dear Leader.” OMG, was that something else that Biden may have said? Anyone who follows the MSM knows that the Dear Leader is like, uhh maybe the most popular POTUS ever and that nothing possibly can happen in the world without his direct approval!

          I think that the perspective of history will tell us just how great, or not so great, both MJ and BO were in their respective fields.

  • VMorris

    Thank you, Larry. You pointed out the obvious but it needed to be pointed out because too many people are unwilling to recognize the obvious: We are getting the entertainers and politicians we deserve. We don’t have President in the White House: we have a rock star. And now we are treating a hugely messed up rock star as if he were JFK…an assisinated president. We have gone through the looking glass. This is nuts.

  • Craig Della Penna

    We should stop honoring pedophiles: if MJ had been treated justly he would now be in jail, drug-free and – alive.

    • pal3

      he dude, the father of boy that accused him of molestation admits that he lied. the media isn’t going to report it because they played a part in his demise. the guy was the most famous person in world, don’t you think there would be at least one or two people that want to extort money from him. The FBI in the case said there was no evidence.

      What have you given to charity?…God gave you a life also, why can’t you make something of yourself and give millions to charity.

      • Portia Elizabeth

        MJ himself in that famous interview admitted taking children into his bed. He even said he thought it was the most loving thing to do – share your bed. That IMO was admitting to the accusations.

        • Wisewoman

          Portia Elizabeth
          I watched the same interview and I did not come away with your ugly conclusions. He tried to explain that children needed love and comfort and not in any sexual way. He talked about reading bed time stories to children in bed, having cookies and milk etc. The mistake that Jackson made was in not understanding that most people are hard-nosed cynics who will believe what they want to believe regardless of any evidence to the contrary. Just because a person is accused of something does not always mean that he or she is guilty. People will try to con money out of celebrities by any means necessary.

          It appears that any real black man of stature (Obama is not included) is villified. Look at the stories about MLK. He was called a troublemaker, a coon, a woman chaser, a liar, a cheat and every manner of thing. He was targeted by J. Edgar Hoover for destruction by character assination. Nothing was too bad to say about him. Many took those accusations to be the God’s truth but were they?
          We must be careful of the spin played by glory seeking prosecutors looking for a conviction to further their careers. They put on expensive trials that cost the taxpayers exorbitant amounts of money and time and contributes to the financial chaos in CA.

          For instance, 80 to 90% of Americans believe OJ was guilty of Nicole’s death even though the timeline (the window of opportunity) established that it was impossible for him to have committed the crime. Like the WMD Americans always believe what they want to believe without reasonable proof or standard evidence. We seem to love and defend a lie more so than the truth.

    • pal3

      hey dude, the father of boy that accused him of molestation admits that he lied. the media isn’t going to report it because they played a part in his demise. the guy was the most famous person in world, don’t you think there would be at least one or two people that want to extort money from him. The FBI in the case said there was no evidence.

      What have you given to charity?…God gave you a life also, why can’t you make something of yourself and give millions to charity.

      • Craig Della Penna

        That’s only one case, if you’d read anything beyond the tabloid hype about MJ you’d know there were at least six other abused children. MJ spent almost $50 million in settlements so charges would not be filed. Pedophiles are constantly allowed to escape punishment (much less treatment) in this country and around the world. In that respect MJ was not unusual.
        No one wants to admit that pedophilia exists so predators like MJ go unreported, untreated and unpunished.

        It’s a basic law of civilization: do anything you want with consenting adults but stay away from the livestock and the kids.

    • thinker

      you have it backwards. If MJ was not rich and famous, he would never have been put on trial on the word a child with a dubious claim on being cancer striken whose mother, another main witness, was a convicted perjurer, also currently facing charges for welfare fraud, and who had a history of tryig to shake down other celebrities. This was all revealed during the trial and that is why he was acquitted. it is a shame that you did not pay more attention to the trial before making your specious allegations. what is the use of a criminal justice system if even after a person is accused, defends themselves sucessfully, and their accuser found to be incredible – they are still not free from the accusation. it is no wonder that so many good people shy away from teaching, mentoring and other assignments that involve chidren – just an accusation alone can destroy a person, even if proves to be unfounded.

  • carol haka

    Wow – with all of the hateful comments regarding Michael Jackson, I thought I was on one of those liberal sites that make fun of Sarah Palin, her children and spent the 2008 season calling all women C*nts and Wh*res!

    I guess the liberals aren’t the only cruel, hateful judges of another’s illness or differences!

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      I agree. Apparently some just love hating on one of the greatest talents in pop music history. I barely like Frank Sinatra but I give a tip of the hat to a great performer who meant a lot to his generation.

      I guess I should have taken the Larry Johnson route and just said he was an old asshat who hadn’t been relevant for decades by the time he died in 1996 or 1997.

      • Senneth

        I liked Sinatra’s music – grew up with him. Liked Elvis Presley’s voice and songs, ditto Bing Crosby. I prefer Chopin and Brahms, but that’s my preference.
        The point being made here is that this coverage is over the top, sort of like what happened with That One this past election. While Jackson apparently made significant contributions to music and to society, this kind of news coverage is more than a little insane – only my opinion of course. As a nation we are facing tragedies on many fronts. While this media feeding frenzy may distract some from the important things that are taking place in our nation and its capitol, many of us would prefer that some “real news” would be covered. Before Jackson it was That One and his rock star status. I would be saying the same things if this circus were going around Sinatra’s or Crosby’s death. Enough already.

    • Portia Elizabeth

      I don’t hate MJ. In fact, I really like alot of his music. But I just don’t think ANYONE warrants the kind of adulation and news coverage that he is getting post mortem. The man has been dead almost 2 weeks and it’s still headlines. It’s no longer “news”.

  • basil

    Meanwhile it is being reported that Mr. Jackson will be buried without his brain — apparently in a move to stand in solidarity with all of the people who will watch the memorial service live on ABC, NBC, CNN, and MSNBC.

    No. It’s for real.

    Michael Jackson will be buried this week– without his brain. As his family tries to finalise details for the King of Pop’s funeral on Tuesday they have been told it will be held back for tests.
    They faced the grim choice of waiting up to three weeks for Jackson’s brain to be returned to them or go ahead and bury him without it – which they have decided to do.

    And from the absurd to the ridiculous;
    Family Sees Image Of Michael Jackson In Tree Stump:

    A Stockton family says the image of Michael Jackson appeared on his tree stump the day the King of Pop died.

    Like the “Virgin Grilled Mary” or “Cheesus,” the family thinks they’ve got an unusual spiritual image staring right at them from their own front yard. Felix Garcia has lived in the house for 22 years, and has never noticed the apparent image in his birch tree stump.

    “I was standing by that bush, and I looked up and saw that image here,” Felix said

    Many people in the crowd who gathered to look at the stump Sunday afternoon saw the resemblance, but why would Michael Jackson appear instead of a religious figure — or even any of the other celebrities who recently passed away?

    “Because Michael Jackson was an icon to us,” said one neighbor. “To Stockton, Michael Jackson meant more to us than Jesus, to some people. I think they’re both about even.”

    In an uncomfirmed report, some neighbors believe the tree stump resembles the people who think it looks like Michael Jackson.

    • Ferd Berfle

      Oh, the humanity. This is going to be another Elvis scenario. Michael Jackson look-alikes, Michael Jackson’s profile in a leggo waffle, Michael Jackson not really dead and living in Topeka Kansas.

    • Peggy Sue

      OMG, basil. It’s bad enough when people claim to see the face of Jesus is a taco or piece of pastry. But now we can look forward to miraculous appearances of Michael Jackson?

      The world really has gone mad! I don’t whether to laugh or cry.

      Incredible.

      • basil

        Well, I am ROTFLMFAO!

        Maybe MJ’s brain will suffer the same fate as Haydn’s head which wasn’t buried with his body but was passed from one aristocrat to another and sat on several famous mantlepieces over the course of several centuries, a sacrifice to the ‘science’ of phrenology.

        :mrgreen:

        • basil

          Oh, and Peggy Sue, this should make you laugh.

          More on Haydn;

          Haydn’s head was removed by a group of phrenologists in 1809. Police failed to find the skull which, it later transpired, was hidden up the nightdress of one of the grave-robbers’ wives. Haydn’s head and body were only reunited in 1954.

          :razz:

          • Peggy Sue

            His skull up the nightdress of the grave-robber’s wife? Now, that’s a claim to fame all by itself. :0)

            Thanks for the additional details, basil!

      • VMorris

        Oh, Peggy Sue…My laptop screen is plastered with with my laughter….

        ROTFLAMOA!!!!

      • VMorris

        Oh, Peggy Sue…My laptop screen is plastered with with my laughter….

        ROTFLAMAO!!!!

  • Texas Playwright

    RIP, MJ. The rest of us still here–let’s keep hollering for news. Not infotainment–news.

    • Ferd Berfle

      I second that.

  • Lily

    “Covering his memorial service live? We have officially departed reality as a society.”

    That statement is so true and so pathetic, that I find it hilarious. Is Obama going to cut short his trip to Russia, or whatever he is doing right now, to attend the funeral? I don’t watch TV anymore so a lot of this stuff gets by me.

    • tzada

      He and his telepromter will probably be broadcast live. He will find so famous Russian arch to stand under.

    • Don

      Don’t feel guilty about a lot getting by you. Just look at how much got by all those who voted for the Dear Leader and they were apparently watching and listening to what he said!

  • http://www.homestudioessentials.com/ A-Nony-Mouse

    I agree with your sentiments about how the media is covering this 24/7 but I don’t think the comments about Michael Jackson himself are necessary. Just because you don’t get something doesn’t mean it’s not meaningful to a lot of other people.

  • RKStone

    Michael Jackson’s death is not getting coverage because of his singing ability or dancing ability. It’s getting coverage because he’s a huge celebrity that a lot of people are interested in. The coverage is the media giving the people what they want. It has always been this way. Nothing to be all upset over.

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      Yeah, why would any news organization waste it’s time on the 3rd best selling artist of all time behind the Beatles and Elvis Presley. Sheesh, like that’s news or something….

      • carol haka

        Yeah, didn’t Obama have something to say to us?

      • mel

        Ummmm a basicly one hit wonder, who hadn’t sold a record in years, compare that to Elvis and The Beatles who’s music is still play, boought and enjoyed by millions years after they left us!

        You cannot even talk about Elvis, The Beatles and even Sanatra in the same breathe as MJ for one major reason, had they had the free mass marketing MJ had with the likes of video MTV world MJ wouldn’t even be close to eating their dust and far ore pre-mtv bands would have been bigger sellers than MJ as well!

        • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

          Keep believing that one. MJ is still being played on the adult comtemporary and urban pop stations.

          Thriller has almost sold more records than Sinatra’s entire catalog. Approx. 750 million units sold to date for MJ, not including another 100 million or so for the Jacksons catalog before he went solo.

          • mel

            Obviously you are too brain dead to read!

            Take away the video’s that pushed Thriller and MJ’s Thriller would have sold squat! Just as it has sold squat in the last many years! Give Sanatra in his day MTV and you can compare, but you are too ignorant to see past your ignorance obviously!

            So give it a rest, he is a one hit wonder due to new marketing, geez sounds like the POTUS huh!

            • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

              MTV inundated us with Culture Club videos too, and I hardly think there will be a massive outcry when Boy George dies.

              In the case of Thriller 7 of the 10 songs were released as singles, all of them reaching the top 10. That’s a little more than just some MTV video hype.

              In fact, it was rereleased in 2008 for it’s 25th aniversery and it reached number 2 on the US charts, just barely missing number 1. So please, the whole “it was just marketing” thing is total bullshit.

            • fif

              That is just not true. Please read the stats before you say he hasn’t “sold squat.” Every album he put out had a string of hits and sold millions. Just because people are repelled by the usual media masturbation, does not mean you have to exaggerate and dismiss Jackson’s considerable accomplishments. Swinging to the other extreme is just overreactive.

        • hokma

          basicly one hit wonder

          . . . keep counting. It was a lot, lot more than “one.”

          Regarding the onset and impact of MTV and VH-1 that’s progress, but the Jackson 5 and Michael himself may have sold as many as they did anyway.

          • DCMediagirl

            Exactly. Say what you want to about the man’s profligate spending, his obvious self-hatred, his psychological problems and countless other issues, but don’t dismiss “Thriller”. A landmark album and a massive international bestseller. The numbers don’t lie.

  • Steve_in_KC

    Michael Jackson isn’t dead. It was all a fake so he could fade from the limelight and live a normal life. In fact, I just saw him getting a tank of gas at the QuickTrip about an hour ago! When I called out his name, he turned and looked at me nervously before climbing into his Prius and zipping off, but it was him! I’m sure of it! :)

    • carol haka

      I pray you are correct!

    • Ferd Berfle

      I thought he was in Topeka.

      • Steve_in_KC

        Well, Ferd, Topeka is only about an hour’s drive from here, so I think we’re both right! :D

        Come to think of it, he was heading for I-70. Hmmm…..

        • Ferd Berfle

          ROFL. He may have been with Elvis for all we know.

          • Steve_in_KC

            Well, he was married to Elvis’ daughter, so it’s certainly possible!

        • http://firefox AnnieCollier

          Come on now, how could he have gotten to Carmel Beach by this morning? Oh, it was him alright, hat, sequins and all.

      • http://noquarter foxyladi14

        my he does get around.

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      He was heading to France to hang out with Jim Morrison.

    • mel

      No he is in Gary Indiana having that famous “we want to count all the votes” seal his BC!

  • Masha

    Why should the media bother people with news and real life stuff? What if we wake up and start asking questions? The media wants us stupid and question-free!

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Just read what happens when people post the truth about what is going on in the media. There’s some great examples by a media person on this thread.

      Different points of view and knowledge bases not allowed. Media thinks you should only have one. The one they spew.

  • basil

    Well, I think Sharpie should be calling MJ a racist for deliberately arranging for the propogation of white kids.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Sharpton is missing the boat on this one. If you’re gonna whine racism every time someone doesn’t do exactly what you want, AL, you better be fair and get on the hate-o-wagon over the Michael Jackson family.

  • Ferd Berfle

    You know, Billy Mays sold more junk on TV than anyone else. He was probably seen in more households than Michael Jackson ever was on just about every channel, on a several-times-a-day basis. I don’t know about the rest of you, but his bellowing had a direct and immediate impact on my life as I constantly had to reach for the remote to turn the TV down about 90 decibels. This was a ritual I went through every day.

    So why wasn’t there a big outcryl over his demise?

    • basil

      Wrong color.

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      Didn’t sell 109 million units of Oxi-Clean

    • oowawa

      Yes Ferd, Billy Mays will be missed, though we still have Vince Offer (Sham-Wow, Slap-Chop food chopper) to carry on his fine tradition. Those two really carried the old American tradition of the fast-talking Snake Oil Salesman into the 21st Century. Makes me nostalgic for the County Fair!

      • Ferd Berfle

        Those two really carried the old American tradition of the fast-talking Snake Oil Salesman into the 21st Century. Makes me nostalgic for the County Fair!

        It sure does.

        • Steve_in_KC

          Oh! That reminds me of something I wanted to share…

          The very day before Billy Mays’ death was announced, there was a letter to the Op-Ed page of the KC Star from a reader who said, “I pray to God every day that Billy Mays loses his voice!”

          True story!

          I bet that person went white as a ghost when the news of his death was announced the next day! Probably spent a lot of time praying for forgiveness! Either that or buying lottery tickets.

  • HC123

    “We must admit the truth–we are getting the entertainers and politicians we deserve.”

    Yep, the Idiocracy has won.

  • tek

    Al Sharpton sees a racist around every corner. I am heartily sick of him and Conyers, too. In fact, I’m sick of all these people who are wearing out the racist card that has given them an edge. I even read that Obama paid tribute to Michael Jackson. I never thought he was a performer or artist on the level of Frank Sinatra or Elvis Presley. I guess all the hooplah is because Obama’s in the WH.

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      No, it’s because the guy is the 3rd biggest selling artist of all time, and owns half of the Beatles publishing. That will make huge news. Sorry. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but that it’s going to be a big story.

      If Elvis died in 2007 instead of 1977 the hoopla would have been on the level of MJ, but Elvis died before there was cable TV, let alone the constant media onslaught of today’s world.

      • Ferd Berfle

        If Elvis died in 2007 instead of 1977 the hoopla would have been on the level of MJ, but Elvis died before there was cable TV, let alone the constant media onslaught of today’s world.

        So what? If that were happening, I’d be here criticizing that, too. This isn’t really about Michael at all–it is about those who idolize a seriously-flawed human being because it is apparently the cool thing to do. There are plenty of better examples by which people can model their lives and Jackson isn’t one of them. You keep on posting that “Michael was the biggest this or that. Well, McDonald’s is the biggest restaurant chain and sells the most, so by your standards, that makes them the best chain. This is directly analogous and completely relevant to what you keep saying over and over again. Just substitute McDonald’s for Jackson and you’ll get my drift (or the Obamabot mantra that That One is the best!). McDonald’s isn’t the best, irrespective of the appeal to quantity. It is quality that one should be judged by.

  • catherine

    I don’t think Larry is not giving MJ his due as a great performer but truth be told why would ANY entertainer, be it Jackson, Sinatra, Elvis, etc be worthy of a two week media orgy and ALL the news networks covering his memorial? NEWS networks people! ALL of them when there is so much more happening that immediately affects our lives than the passing of an artist.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m a firm believer in the arts as a necessity and a gift for the human spirit and great artists should be honored in life and in death, but this is not honoring MJ. This is a mindless, exploitative circus event that only benefits the media and every celebrity or celebrity wannabe now claiming to have been “very close to Michael”.

    Our culture is so celebrity obsessed that they can no longer distinguish between true greatness and charisma, or between a proper news coverage and cortege that is given to a sitting head of state and an entertainer.

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Polls done this year said a majority of teenagers say they’d prefer to be famous rather than earn a degree. Sick.

    • VMorris

      Well said!

  • vanroth

    “If you understand this then it is easy to understand why a guy with little experience in government or running anything requiring genuine management experience can become President.”.

    How true, Larry, how sadly true ..

  • I’m a Linda too

    Great post LJ. May the media that quicklly jumped to report the rumors, who are now hanging on for any bump in ratings they can get on the same person, go down in flames. And soon their cash cow will be over.

    So true, we are getting what…oh, I can’t say it, I’m not making these stupid choices, WE are getting what they who voted for the empty ones desserve.

    Laughable , with the news that came through, especially about Governor Palin, maybe the HObots have wisened up if they are complaining about leaving a position early. Maybe they realize they voted for that loser in the White House, that came in on all false promises, starting with his pledge in 2005 that he would serve his full 6 year term in the Senate before considering running for president, because he knows he has no experience. And then spent 2 years earning money to campaign for another job and finally resigned his current job after he knew he secured another one. I don’t deserve him, but they confirm every day they do, including the argment I got in to at a BBQ yesterday, because one of the HObots, apparently needed to take frustration out and use every talking point or rumor he could throw out about Palin.

    When he ended his tantrum on the “idiot that said she could see Russia from her house” and I said, “you know she never said that, that came from SNL”, he replied, “yeah, I know”. But it sure didn’t stop him from lying, did it? Where’s that lawyer for knowingly defaming the Governor? I’ll cough it up. :)

  • http://deleted pal3


    This list is from Jackson Action and it is a chronology of all of his charitable contributions:

    January 10, 1984: Michael visits the unit for burn victims at Brotman-Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles.

    April 9, 1984: David Smithee, a 14-year-old boy who suffers from cystic fibroses is invited to Michael’s home. It was David’s last wish to meet Michael. He dies 7 weeks later.

    April 14, 1984: Michael equips a 19-bed-unit at Mount Senai New York Medical Center. This center is part of the T.J. Martell-Foundation for leukemia and cancer research.

    July 5, 1984: During the Jackson’s press conference at Tavern On The Green, Michael announces that his part of the earnings from the Victory Tour will be donated to three charitable organizations: The United Negro College Fund, Camp Good Times, and the T.J. Martell-Foundation.

    July 14, 1984: After the first concert of the Victory Tour, Michael meets 8 terminally ill children backstage.

    December 13, 1984: Michael visits the Brotman Memorial Hospital, where he had been treated when he was burned very badly during the producing of a Pepsi commercial. He donates all the money he receives from Pepsi, $1.5 million, to the Michael Jackson Burn Center for Children.

    January 28, 1985: Michael and 44 other artists meet to record “We Are The World”, written by Michael and Lionel Ritchie. The proceeds of this record are donated to the starving people in Africa.

    1986: Michael set up the “Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund”. This $1.5 million fund is aimed towards students majoring in performance art and communications, with money given each year to students attending a UNCF member college or university.

    February 28, 1986: After having had a heart-transplant, 14-year-old Donna Ashlock from California gets a call from Michael Jackson. He had heard that she is a big fan of his. Michael invites her to his home as soon as she is feeling better. This visit takes place on March 8th. Donna stays for dinner and watches a movie together with Michael.

    September 13, 1987: Michael supports a campaign against racism. He supports efforts of the NAACP, to fight prejudices against black artists.

    October 1987: At the end of his Bad Tour, Michael donates some personal items to the UNESCO for a charitable auction. The proceeds will be for the education of children in developing countries.

    February 1, 1988: The Song “Man In the Mirror” enters the charts. The proceeds from the sales of this record goes to Camp Ronald McDonald for Good Times, a camp for children who suffer from cancer.

    March 1, 1988: At a press conference held by his sponsor Pepsi, Michael presents a $600,000 check to the United Negro College Fund.

    April 1988: Free tickets are given away for three concerts in Atlanta, Georgia to the Make A Wish Foundation.

    May 22, 1988: Michael visits children who suffer from cancer in the Bambini-Gesu Children’s Hospital in Rome. He signs autographs and gives away sweets and records to the little patients. He promises a check of 100,000 pounds to the hospital.

    July 16, 1988: Before a concert at Wembley Stadium Michael meets the Prince of Wales and his wife Diana. He hands over a check of 150,000 pounds for the Prince’s Trust, and a check of 100,000 pounds for the children’s hospital at Great Ormond Street.

    July 20, 1988: Michael visits terminally ill children at Great Ormond Street Hospital. At a unit for less critical patients he stays a little bit longer and tells a story.

    August 29, 1988: At his 30th birthday Michael performs a concert in Leeds, England for the English charity-organization “Give For Life”. The goal of this organization is the immunization of children. Michael presents a check for 65,000 pounds.

    December 1988: Michael visits 12-year-old David Rothenburg. His father had 5 years earlier burned him very badly in an act of revenge against his former wife.

    January 1989: The proceeds of one of Michael’s shows in Los Angeles are donated to Childhelp USA, the biggest charity-organization against child-abuse. In appreciation of the contributions of Michael, Childhelp of Southern California is founding the “Michael Jackson International Institute for Research On Child Abuse”.

    January 10, 1989: The Bad Tour comes to an end. Under-privileged children are donated tickets for each concert and Michael donates money to hospitals, orphanages and charity-organizations.

    The list goes on and on!

    ” -BFFmail

  • http://deleted pal3


    This list is from Jackson Action and it is a chronology of all of his charitable contributions:

    January 10, 1984: Michael visits the unit for burn victims at Brotman-Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles.

    April 9, 1984: David Smithee, a 14-year-old boy who suffers from cystic fibroses is invited to Michael’s home. It was David’s last wish to meet Michael. He dies 7 weeks later.

    April 14, 1984: Michael equips a 19-bed-unit at Mount Senai New York Medical Center. This center is part of the T.J. Martell-Foundation for leukemia and cancer research.

    July 5, 1984: During the Jackson’s press conference at Tavern On The Green, Michael announces that his part of the earnings from the Victory Tour will be donated to three charitable organizations: The United Negro College Fund, Camp Good Times, and the T.J. Martell-Foundation.

    July 14, 1984: After the first concert of the Victory Tour, Michael meets 8 terminally ill children backstage.

    December 13, 1984: Michael visits the Brotman Memorial Hospital, where he had been treated when he was burned very badly during the producing of a Pepsi commercial. He donates all the money he receives from Pepsi, $1.5 million, to the Michael Jackson Burn Center for Children.

    January 28, 1985: Michael and 44 other artists meet to record “We Are The World”, written by Michael and Lionel Ritchie. The proceeds of this record are donated to the starving people in Africa.

    1986: Michael set up the “Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund”. This $1.5 million fund is aimed towards students majoring in performance art and communications, with money given each year to students attending a UNCF member college or university.

    February 28, 1986: After having had a heart-transplant, 14-year-old Donna Ashlock from California gets a call from Michael Jackson. He had heard that she is a big fan of his. Michael invites her to his home as soon as she is feeling better. This visit takes place on March 8th. Donna stays for dinner and watches a movie together with Michael.

    September 13, 1987: Michael supports a campaign against racism. He supports efforts of the NAACP, to fight prejudices against black artists.

    October 1987: At the end of his Bad Tour, Michael donates some personal items to the UNESCO for a charitable auction. The proceeds will be for the education of children in developing countries.

    February 1, 1988: The Song “Man In the Mirror” enters the charts. The proceeds from the sales of this record goes to Camp Ronald McDonald for Good Times, a camp for children who suffer from cancer.

    March 1, 1988: At a press conference held by his sponsor Pepsi, Michael presents a $600,000 check to the United Negro College Fund.

    April 1988: Free tickets are given away for three concerts in Atlanta, Georgia to the Make A Wish Foundation.

    May 22, 1988: Michael visits children who suffer from cancer in the Bambini-Gesu Children’s Hospital in Rome. He signs autographs and gives away sweets and records to the little patients. He promises a check of 100,000 pounds to the hospital.

    July 16, 1988: Before a concert at Wembley Stadium Michael meets the Prince of Wales and his wife Diana. He hands over a check of 150,000 pounds for the Prince’s Trust, and a check of 100,000 pounds for the children’s hospital at Great Ormond Street.

    July 20, 1988: Michael visits terminally ill children at Great Ormond Street Hospital. At a unit for less critical patients he stays a little bit longer and tells a story.

    August 29, 1988: At his 30th birthday Michael performs a concert in Leeds, England for the English charity-organization “Give For Life”. The goal of this organization is the immunization of children. Michael presents a check for 65,000 pounds.

    December 1988: Michael visits 12-year-old David Rothenburg. His father had 5 years earlier burned him very badly in an act of revenge against his former wife.

    January 1989: The proceeds of one of Michael’s shows in Los Angeles are donated to Childhelp USA, the biggest charity-organization against child-abuse. In appreciation of the contributions of Michael, Childhelp of Southern California is founding the “Michael Jackson International Institute for Research On Child Abuse”.

    January 10, 1989: The Bad Tour comes to an end. Under-privileged children are donated tickets for each concert and Michael donates money to hospitals, orphanages and charity-organizations.

    The list goes on and on!

    ” -BBFmail

    • Ferd Berfle

      Wow. Hero worship has reached new heights lows.

      Look, kid, many people give to charity. Ted Turner devoted 1/3 of his fortune to charity. I don’t see you deifying him. Mother Teresa devoted her entire life to the care of the underprivileged. I don’t see you erecting a monument in her honor.

      No, this is all about you, now isn’t it? Like control-freak bots of other persuasions, you want us to feel the same as you do. Many of us don’t and for varying reasons. Just give it a rest and stop spamming this board, will you?

      • Down

        Ferd,

        You must live a miserable life. All that hate.

        • I’m a Linda too

          Where do you see hate in what Ferd wrote? You must be reading something else.

          • I’m a Linda too

            And really, not dealing with the realilty of what Ferd stated.

            When you start dealing with issues, that’s most of the battle. Don’t regress by attacking someone else for your lack of dealing with issues or reality.

            Was all that really necessary and pertinent?

        • Ferd Berfle

          Dry up, twit. My post had no hate in it. You are projecting

      • Ellen D

        Like you, Ferd. Looking forward to normalcy both on the board and in LA.
        I think this MJ craziness mirrors the Obama craziness. A complete lack of perspective.

  • I’m a Linda too

    PLEASE CLEAR THE SPAM FILTER

    • I’m a Linda too

      I’m trapped in their with the beginning of the comment saying this.

      “Great post LJ. May the media that quicklly jumped to report the rumors, who are now hanging on for any bump in ratings they can get on the same person, go down in flames. And soon their cash cow will be over.

      So true, we are getting what…oh, I can’t say it, I’m not making these stupid choices, WE are getting what they who voted for the empty ones desserve.

      …… ” etc

      • I’m a Linda too

        Thank you for freeing me :)

  • Country First

    Thanks for your point of view, Larry. I agree wholeheartedly. The media lost it’s way many years ago. I’m sick of the insane coverage of most subjects of the msm these days.

  • mel

    Hey let’s all mourn the passing of a self proclaimed King of Pop who was in life self distructive of himself and his kids, lest we forget his dangling his child over a balcony?

    In death, and during his life it is claimed that his life was tormented by the abusive ways of his father and yet this Freak does what with his children, leave instructions in his will that his children are to be raised by his mother, the same woman who to this day still lives with THAT same abusive father!

    So to claim you are mourning the passing of MJ the person, what is it you are really mourning, because is life was a disgusting mess as is his death.

    To claim you are mourning the passing of an artist, who has done nothing in over a decade and was mounting another comeback, fine, buy a record, but this media crap over soeone who was so unstable a human being as there is, is rediculous to say the least!

  • mel

    Hey let’s all mourn the passing of a self proclaimed King of Pop who was in life self distructive of himself and his kids, lest we forget his dangling his child over a balcony?

    In death, and during his life it is claimed that his life was tormented by the abusive ways of his father and yet this Freak does what with his children, leave instructions in his will that his children are to be raised by his mother, the same woman who to this day still lives with THAT same abusive father!

    So to claim you are mourning the passing of MJ the person, what is it you are really mourning, because is life was a disgusting mess as is his death.

    To claim you are mourning the passing of an artist, who has done nothing in over a decade and was mounting another comeback, fine, buy a record, but this media crap over someone who was so unstable a human being as there is, is rediculous to say the least!

  • ces

    Millions of records sold don’t make up for molesting even a single child.

    • fif

      You have absolutely no proof that he molested anyone–no one does. His accusers are highly suspect, and the 2005 trial was a joke. Were you in the courtroom where he was acquitted of all charges, and by most accounts, the accuser had a highly questionable past? Evidence shows that these people were fortune hunters. Just imagine for a minute that he was innocent, and what that must have been like, to be labeled a molester in front of the entire world? I’m sick of the constant judgment in the blogosphere based on a few media talking points and little research.

      • ces

        What proof do you gave that he didn’t do it? I could turn each question back at you and you’d have nothing.

        Besides, why make payoffs to people if innocent?

        • Jim

          His lawyers, family and friends strongly advised him to settle.

          The father of the first accuser admitted it was a scam.

          • ces

            Yeah, FIRST accuser.

            Which implies there were Multiple possible incidents.

            Coninkydink? I think not.

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        I seem to remember that OJ was acquitted as well.

      • tzada

        yea and OJ walked free and ACORN got O elected.

  • Babs

    This Jackson circus has nothing to do with respect and everything to do with making money. It has nothing to do with letting fans express their grief and everything to do with encouraging the purchase of t-shirts, albums, DVDs, plates, who knows what else. The man was a remarkable talent, for sure, but this carnival like atmosphere and the appearance of the likes of Al “a racist around every corner” Sharpton only serve to diminish the positive things Michael did in his life. And where the heck have all these people been for the past 10 years, when it was evident to anyone with a brain in his head that MJ was slowly sinking into a world of drugs and isolation and self destruction? For many of them the mask of grief hides a motive of pure greed. No surprise here.

  • bingham

    one thing i cannot believe is the actor JAMIE FOX, when he said ‘we shared him with you’..referring to michael. well, i honestly believe ‘you can keep him’

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      No, Jamie, we chose to like MJ and buy his music. Sheesh, what an inflated sense of blackness there, Jamie.

  • fif

    Michael Jackson’s true legacy is one of mediocrity. He did not sustain a successful career stretching over decades. He did not continue to produce music that resonated with the public. He did not mount great, lasting charitable efforts…Sinatra made music over a span of 60 years. Jackson? Barely 30 years.

    Wow Larry. I think you’re way off here. Michael Jackson started his career at age 5, seriously at 10–that makes a 40 year career. I don’t have the stats, but I do know that Thriller has sold more albums than any other record in history, and he’s won about 18 Grammys. He also raised millions of dollars for charity. I can understand if people have a problem with the extent of the media coverage, but to call a human being a “freak” is insensitive and close to Peter King-ness. You did not walk in his shoes. Lighten up. In another month the story will be over.

  • Southern

    We had to endure days and days of a bit of the same sort of media coverage when Tim Russert died. And his talent was???

    He was good at GOTCHA questions to politicians he did not like but threw cotton balls and plumped up the pillows of those he did.

    At least Michael Jackson had talent compared to absolutely zero for Russert.

    And look who we have now as our leader partly because of Russert and his ilk.

    Michael Jackson was an artist with an artist personality…remember the great Van Gogh who cut off his own ear? That does not take away from the talent of his art does it?

    Wonder what the news media would have made of that if Vincent had lived today?

    If you don’t like MJ, just wait until next week and the media will be off on another witch hunt and we’ll have to endure that as well.

  • TeakWoodKite

    “a swarm of strap hangers” ROLF.

    That had a different meaning on the #7 on the way into NYC growing up.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Isn’t this just another example of Hollywood playing the fiddle while the state of California’s economy burns?

    Is there any reality connected to this debacle of MJ love? For the diehard fans, there is…but for the rest of us…not so much.

    Let’s just hope the Jacksons and the rest of the crew donates money to LA to cover the logistical costs. What do you want to bet?

    • sandi78

      Los Angeles should be sending the Jackson family a bill.

      • Retired

        England will bill the Queen before LA bills the Jacksons.

        • Ellen D

          I’m hoping it will increase tourism dollars anyway. But traffic here today at Forest Lawn was nuts.

    • carol haka

      The Jackson’s have been paying California’s bills for 45 years and will continue in the form of 60% + in taxes on all of the income they generated and all of the businesses they spawned.

      So lay off the BS about a couple of million dollars to honor his life!

      Michelle just left UC Merced with a million dollar bill for her pathetic speech for graduation.

      Obama has spent more than that on vacation for the 5 months he’s been in office destroying the country and the world economies.

      CAROL HAKA :evil:

      • sandi78

        The Jackson family, for the most part, is broke. They’re not contributing much to California. Marlon is working stocking shelves in a Vons store in San Diego. Jermaine owes a fortune, Katherine’s house was going to be foreclosed, Joe doesn’t even live in California, he lives in Las Vegas with some woman or other.

        It’s not California that is having to pay for this security for the Jackson family fiasco. It’s the city of Los Angeles, and they can’t afford it. Nobody asked the city, or discussed it with the city in any way, it’s just expected. The city should send them a bill. Michael Jackson’s former home “Neverland” isn’t even in LA, he hasn’t paid anything to the city in the form of property taxes.

        Obama has nothing to do with this, although I’m shocked, shocked, that he hasn’t jumped on AF1 to be at the fiasco in the Staples Center. Even Elizabeth Taylor called it “whoopla”.

        • carol haka

          Los Angeles and California and America has made a fortune in taxes on the Jackson family.

          They didn’t mind spending a fortune to vilify and prosecute him on clearly bogus charges, so don’t worry about a few dollars to bury him.

          He’s owed a great send off in my opinion. My son lives and works there – he has no problem paying his taxes for the event!

          CAROL HAKA :evil:

          • Yeah Right

            I agree that Jackson should have a great send off but NOT at the expense of the taxpayers and a city that is already struggling for cash!

            The planners of the lavish event should have planned on how they were going to pay for it!

            I am sure that the citizens of the city would rather the money be used to help provide services for them NOT pay for a pop stars lavish funeral! It is outrageous!

            The taxpayers should not be stuck with the bill. Hell, all of the celebrities should pitch in to pay for it including his family—NOT A CITY THAT CANT AFFORD IT!

        • carol haka

          And, it’s not a fiasco, it’s a funeral.

          Have some respect.

          • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

            The acting mayor is hinting that money could be donated. And by the way, everyone that pays taxes should be afforded a big send off by that thinking.

            • carol haka

              Yes, you are correct. Everyone who has contributed Billions in taxes should get the same appropriate send off.

              And by the way, AEG owns Staples and they pay plenty of taxes to be able to hold an appropriate event in their facility. If they Mayor thinks that more security is needed for the event, then it is on the city to provide the service.

              Stop Bitching and being Petty – it’s not attractive!

              CAROL HAKA :evil:

              • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

                Oh and your attitude is? Now that made me laugh. Go swill the Michael Jackson love potion and have a nice day.

            • carol haka

              Yes, you are correct. Everyone who has contributed Billions in taxes should get the same appropriate send off.

              And by the way, AEG owns Staples and they pay plenty of taxes to be able to hold an appropriate event in their facility. If their Mayor thinks that more security is needed for the event, then it is on the city to provide the service.

              Stop Bitching and being Petty – it’s not attractive!

              CAROL HAKA :evil:

          • Peggy Sue

            You’re right, Carol. It “is” a funeral but it was turned into a media fiasco by the Nation’s self-indulgence, a norm these days rather than the exception.

            I have no problem in respecting Michael Jackson’s passing. But a carnival, a mega dollar a la Vegas event, news blackout is out of proportion. Michael Jackson was a pop icon. He was not the Pope or a head of state.

            We’ve lost all perspective. And that concerns me, deeply.

  • jwrjr

    I think that LJ’s comments may be a little extreme. Aside from that, I mostly agree with him. The MSM’s deification of MJ is ridiculous. As for the uproar over his will, the motivation is simple – money. Not the money currently in the Estate. Watch for Neverland to be made into an AA Graceland.

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      they will probably manage to bury him there.and yes another Graceland.
      keeps the memory alive and the fans a place to go.
      if done right it could help California financilly

  • so saddened

    not a huge music fan, so not much knowledge of jackson’s contributions in that arena, but assume they were significant. that’s not the point to me. whether it’s sinatra, elvis, or jackson, why on earth are we having nonstop coverage of an entertainer’s death? sad, yes. worthy of note, yes. worthy of a thousand times more note than reports of the death of soldiers or cancer researchers or whatever, no.

    guess it just reflects our celebrity obsession. after all, we have the first american idol pres. and many americans know more about lindsey lohan than the disaster that awaits the country if the american idol pres. gets his cap and trade and health fiasco’s passed.

  • steel magnolia

    The media did the same thing when Elvis died for crying out loud. It was on the tv for days! They showed him lying in state and throngs of people going by to see him! Did you forget about that? I didn’t – I sat and watched with tears streaming down my face – didn’t want to miss a minute of it – I LOVED Elvis – even tho I knew he was a drug abuser, fat, egotistical, kinda weird, into martial arts and guns kinda guy. He was still the Rock and Roll King!

    Same thing with Michael Jackson – he was a musical genius – no one will ever match his talent. He was a great songwriter, inventive dancer, charismatic entertainer and a drug abuser and a total weird-ass for whatever reason. He was still the king of Pop! and deserves this kind of send-off for his fans.

  • tillthen

    Thank you for putting all of this in perspective. It is truly a maddeningly bizarre affair that speaks of a society, as you have said, that has completely lost it.

    It’s even more distressing to think that many of these brainless and youthful idolators have the vote, that they have a say in determining my future.

  • Retired

    Larry,

    If you think that you’re getting sick watching this on TV from 2,700 miles away, imagine what it must be like out here at the ground zero of Jackson weirdness, northern Santa Barbara county. There are plans underway to bury him at Neverland, and Neverland’s co-owner wants to turn it into Graceland West. If that happens, the sleepy little town of Los Olivos, put on the map because of the movie “Sidelways,” will go from wine tasting to wall to wall fast food stands (McDonald’s has already been nosing around). The area is about to undergo a permanent transtion from wine country to weird country.
    Or maybe it’ll all end up being Puppy Love.

    • politicalidentitycrisis

      Puppy Love was Donny Osmond. LOL!

  • brendy

    The media did all they could to badger and to find out all sorts of things – esp. bad/weird things – about Jackson and reported all of it; they rejoice in bringing down ANYONE (except Obama). Now, that he died, the media is trying to act like ‘good guys’ and make him look like a hero. You STUPID MEDIA – YOU are part of problem; sticking your noses into everyone’s private business just to make a buck!

    I liked Michael and his music/dancing. I feel sorry for him because of his awful childhood life and his mean ‘dad’, but at one point – we ALL have to grow up and quit blaming others for our problems and do the best we can. And, in Michael’s case – the fact that he had plenty of money was one less worry; also, it seemed he loved his mother – although I don’t know why she didn’t intervene when Michael’s dad was so mean to him!

  • JozefAL

    Michael Jackson was a talented performer. A decent singer (not great, and certainly limited to a particular genre) and a fabulous dancer/choreographer. But that’s it. His personal life was a disaster.

    Sorry, Larry, but you could pretty much say the same thing about Elvis Presley. I would like to know which “particular genre” you mean. Pop? That’s actually a pretty expansive genre. R&B? That, too, is a pretty expansive genre. Michael was one of the VERY few African-American artists to really break through at mainstream rock radio (thanks to help from Eddie Van Halen on “Beat It” as well as Steve Stevens on “Dirty Diana” and Slash on “Black or White”).

    Sinatra made music over a span of 60 years. Jackson? Barely 30 years.

    Again, sorry, but you’re missing a few key points here. A hell of a lot of Sinatra’s work was mediocre AT BEST, especially in his last 20 years. Sinatra didn’t even record a new album between 1984 and 1993, and that first new one was the Duets album which was little more than a “product” (Sinatra didn’t actually record with any of his Duets partners). Further, during the majority of Sinatra’s era, the album was little more than an afterthought–you released a single, then you put out an album featuring that single and maybe (MAYBE) another hit single and a whole lot of filler, so it was very easy to produce two or even three albums in a single year. Unfortunately, this meant the bulk of released albums was quite unremarkable (bear in mind that the biggest-selling albums up to the mid 1960s were Broadway cast recordings and film soundtracks–even a number of classical albums sold better than most “pop” recordings). Most people (and critics) agree that Sinatra’s best recordings came in the 1950s, with only a handful of live recordings in the 1960s and 1970s coming close to his 1950s work.
    Further, if you want compare hit singles, during the whole of the rock era, Sinatra only produced 28 Top 40 hits (from 1955 to 1958, this includes hits from 4 different pop music surveys; from 1958 on, only the Hot 100 is referenced), and his last Top 40 entry came in 1980 (interestingly enough with a cover of “Theme from New York, New York”, a song first made famous by Liza Minnelli–Liza’s version is, far and away, superior to Sinatra’s recording IMO). (Trying to compare the pre-rock era hits with the rock-era hits is like apples and oranges since two-sided singles were a regular feature, but often songs, even those that made the Top 10, would only spend a few weeks on the charts. There were points in the 1940s when Sinatra would release a dozen singles in a single year with anywhere from 5 to 10 of those songs actually charting, with some of those songs being B-sides. During the rock era, however, such numbers were unheard of for most artists, even Sinatra. A typical year would see only 3 to 5 singles released, with about half actually making the charts.)
    OTOH, Jackson had 29 SOLO hits from 1979 to 2001 (that figure does NOT count his 2 duets with Paul McCartney or his duet with his sister, Janet)). Counting his earlier solo work plus his chart hits with his brothers, that increases Michael’s total hits by another 28 (and going back only 10 more years). (I’ll also point out that, if you include Michaels’s appearances with the Jackson 5, he was on the charts for nearly 33 years. That is a bit more than “barely 30 years”. Sinatra’s first single was released in 1939 and he died in 1998, so he didn’t quite make “60 years”.)
    Did Sinatra make any impact on the R&B charts? Not really. Three R&B chart hits in the span of a quarter century isn’t saying too much. I’d also like to know how many “genres” did Sinatra do? He did pop. That was it. Nothing more. He was NOT a jazz singer. He didn’t do R&B; he didn’t do country. So Sinatra can also be said to have been limited to a “paritcular genre”.
    Oh, and one other point about Jackson. HE wrote or co-wrote many songs recorded wither solo or with the Jacksons, especially from the mid-1970s. He handled vocal and instrumental arrangements for some of his own works. He wrote or co-wrote AND produced works for other artists. You can’t really say any of that about Sinatra.

    • Tricia

      thank you JozefAL! Well said! I’m glad somebody is being objective and looking at the true musical genius Michael was. Enough of the other stuff, let him RIP. please! Well said!

      • Tricia Spiegel

        From the other Tricia…I liked Michael Jackson’s earlier music a lot. I loved to watch him dance.

        But, sorry, Sinatra’s career was more impressive overall. My mother used to talk about how women swooned over him, how everyone of every age loved his music. I love his singing also.

        Both men had their devils, and both were talented, and maybe it isn’t fair to compare one to the other. But the sad truth is that Jackson was a sad, exploited, and ultimately deformed man-child whose later work doesn’t measure up.

        But, yes, RIP Michael–probably peaceful for the first time.

    • thinker

      well, well said, I will be forwarding this to all those who continue to try to deny MJ’s legacy. His talent was unparalled he – could sing, dance, write, produce and he was a perfectionist so his work was flawless. I can understand if someone does not like his sound, but how can anyone deny his range, versatitliy and popularity and kindness.

    • thinker

      well, well said, I will be forwarding this to all those who continue to try to deny MJ’s legacy. His talent was unparalled – he could sing, dance, write, produce and he was a perfectionist so his work was flawless. I can understand if someone does not like his sound, but how can anyone deny his range, versatitliy and popularity and kindness.

      • Ferd berfle

        Maybe so, but what does it mean when we focus on individuals who can’t make a difference but don’t focus on those who can? We don’t seem to care much about learning all we can about politicians who want to run the world’s largest military arsenal with the ability to destroy our very existence but know everything down to a gnat’s scrawny ass about the entertainers who amuse us into thinking everything is okey-dokey. These entertainers aren’t doing anything more than providing us with some well-deserved amusement or relief but they aren’t consequential in the long run. It boggles the mind–we know more about MJ than we will ever know about That One and MJ wasn’t exactly out there on parade.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    I could not care less about the music business, one of the most corrupt entities in the world. Don’t care about the “charts”, the Grammys or anything else about them. In the long run, none of this tripe is of any importance.

    • hokma

      What a very bitter and sad existence ou must have.

    • hokma

      What a very bitter and sad existence you must have.

      • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

        Hokma: I was thinking the same thing. Jesus.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          Then neither of you are well versed in the Universal Laws I take it.

    • rw

      Totally agree, Anne.

      The music industry with its charts, awards, etc. reminds of college professors and the books they write….to impress each other and see who can out sell the other with the neat little theories that only last until the next neat little theory debunks it. But, of course, the similarities end there, at least we can learn from college professors’ books.

      The best way to get music is to look for it outside the self serving circus of the industry.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        There’s a ton of famous musicians that feel the same way. Sony ruined a few careers with their corporate greed agenda. Toni Braxton comes to mind. Michael Jackson first brought it to light in his lawsuits against Sony. Hat tip to Michael on that one.

        World famous musicians and former studio musicians have started independent labels and recording studios to get away from the hype of the music awards and corporate shennanigans.

        If you like a certain group or musician you seek their music regardless of who says it’s good or out of whose factory the CD is burned.

        • Diana L. C.

          Or go to CDBaby.com and buy a CD from my son’s band. But you have to be into loud and angst. Most of their followers here in Denver are pretty young.

          • Diana L. C.

            OOPS! The band’s name is Disaffected. Hey, I’m a mother, so give me a break. :-)

            • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

              Oh God, I feel for you. A seriously untalented Death Metal band used to live next door to us. It was painful and we are very open minded about styles of music.

              The practicing stopped when we put a recording of their music on during their break. We put a mini recorder of their music in our bathroom window closest to their house. They never practiced at that house again. I felt bad but the torture had to stop. For them and us.

              Hopefully your son’s band has musicianship.

              • Ferd Berfle

                Amen. The last metal band I listened to was Black Sabbath (and still do) but only because they had some real talent.

      • Ferd Berfle

        The other way is to buy vinyl, which I do by every time I have the opportunity. They are cheaper (everyone wants to dump them), have better dynamic range, and with a good turntable connected to a computer can be restored to the glory that once was. I don’t buy CDs ever–they are poorly produced and have wretched tone and range. I am sometimes amazed at the breadth of sound I can extract from a clean vinyl record. Once digitized, I can then put the vinyl away and never bother with it again.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          My nephew – audiophile and former local public radio dj – would concur with you Ferd.

          • Ferd Berfle

            It’s a no-brainer, Buzz. I choose wisely, get them for about $0.50 each and augment my collection every time I go out searching. I have found such gems as the original Strawberry Alarmclock album with Incense and Peppermints. It had but a single scratch, which i dispatched in about 5 seconds. Your nephew is one smart cookie. Tell him to keep it up. Don’t bother with the re-mastered stuff.

  • Yeah Right

    I can’t believe I am saying this but I agree with you Larry, 100%—–enough is enough!!!!!!!!

  • Tricia

    Wow Larry I had no idea you were a despicable, cruel, jerk! You sound just like a right wing republican- a self- righteous, judgemental freak. Of cousre you knew MJ personally, you worked with him and knew what kind of father he was right? I’m sure that’s why you can say all those nasty things. This society has absolutely no heart, no empathy. It’s sickening, being American makes me sick (thank God I’m Peruvian/American!) Look, don’t you think that enough is enough – they villified him throughout his life, and made millions from him. Now that he is not with us, you have to pound on him again. This was not necessary at all. Again, if you don’t like the media coverage fine say so, but as you well know, the media only covers things because people are interested. He was an icon, an amazingly talented entertainer, with electrifying moves, and creative vision. A talent like that we will never see again. He obviously was loved by millions and will never be forgotten. Did he have flaws, of course he did, but don’t we all? We are just not in the public limelight like he was. He gave millions to children’s charities, lets not forget. He was a good, kind, gentle, soul that was totally misunderstood. Those allegations were totally and complete bullshit!and that’s what destroyed him in the end. But of course you don’t care. You are an insensitive bastard.
    I’ve been coming here for over 2 years and admired you, but no more, I had no idea this ugly side of you existed.
    Good riddance -

    • bingham

      well the allegations may have been complete and utter bullshit as you say, but the last time i saw a grown man in a documentary, holding hands with a young boy, and they talked about how innocent it was to share a bed, the grown man was in court some time later. hmmmmmm

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    Quincy Jones blasts Michael Jackson’s excuses for turning white
    http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/tv-showbiz-news/entertainment-news/2009/07/05/quincy-jones-blasts-michael-jackson-s-excuses-for-turning-white-78057-21496041/

    MICHAEL JACKSON’S mentor has blasted the star’s “bull****” excuses for turning himself white.

    Quincy Jones said he never believed Jacko’s claims he was suffering from rare skin condition vitiligo which caused bleaching to his skin.

    Jones – who produced some of Jackson’s greatest hits, including Thriller – said the King of Pop had many chemical peels because he was not happy with the way he looked.

    He compared the troubled star’s lies to those of a drug addict.

    Jones said: “He was the most gorgeous guy but he obviously didn’t want to be black. You see his kids? It’s ridiculous. Chemical peels and all. I don’t understand it.

    “He’d come up with, ‘Man, I promise you I have this disease’ and ‘I have a blister on my lungs’. I don’t believe any of that bull****.”

    Jones, 76, said while he worked with Jackson they often rowed about his lies and they reminded him of stars who made up excuses about more traditional addictions like alcohol and drugs.

    He said: “We talked about it all the time, the chemical peels and stuff. I couldn’t talk him out of it.

    “I’ve been around junkies all my life. I’ve heard every excuse.”
    ***

    I don’t believe he had vitiligo either. One reason – if you are really feeling lost about losing your skin color, and are proud of your heritage, why do you disfigure your face so badly, to become a white person – all of his ethnic features were erased.

    Also, as Quincy pointed out, Michael picked white children. They were test tube kids, so why did he choose white babies? And they were carried by a white woman. And he married Lisa Marie, a white woman. I would think if he wanted to stay connected to his *blackness* he would have kept his black features, and had african american children. (although, his kids are cuties!)

    I had a hard time believing the molestation charges the first time. The second time… harder to believe in his innocence. He made some great albums, and I loved a lot of his music, but his life was another story.

    • Tricia

      You know what, if you were paying attention first of all he admitted to the disease during an Oprah interview in 1993 – that he didn’t become a spokesperson for it – I’m not going to start judging him onthat one, who knows why he didn’t.
      In You Tube there are videos of him with the disease if you care to look. And also, his good friend Deepak Chopra, who is a very credible person, admitted he had lupus and vitiligo.
      That was the problem with Michael, everyone just wanted to believe the worst, everything else fell on deaf ears. He was also, of course, a very private person, and maybe that didn’t help.

      But in no way he wanted to be a white person. He would state he was proud and honored of being black. He was misunderstood all his life. Let’s try to give him the benefit of the doubt now. Look at the You tube videos! I don’t have links, but I’m sure you can find it!

      • hokma

        You are right. Unfortunately I hear and read bloviations from people on the left and right who do not have the time to read anything about lupus or vitiligo.

        To American Girl:

        “I don’t believe he had vitiligo either. One reason – if you are really feeling lost about losing your skin color, and are proud of your heritage, why do you disfigure your face so badly, to become a white person – all of his ethnic features were erased.”

        You don’t know anything about Vitiligo nor does Jackson’s friend-of-convenience Quincy Jones. There is no cure and it is a disfigurement that for white people means you stay out of the sun. But for Black people means you look like a leper. He did not start bleaching his skin until the loss of pigmentation had overriden most of his face and body. Jackson did not have a choice if you look at photos of people with advanced vitiligo. His use of curious clothing like the glove was an effort to cover up early spots on his hands. The use of hats and the umbrella is to prevent skin cancer which is very easy to get when you have as advanced a form as Michael did.

        Also, as Quincy pointed out, Michael picked white children. They were test tube kids, so why did he choose white babies? And they were carried by a white woman. And he married Lisa Marie, a white woman. I would think if he wanted to stay connected to his *blackness* he would have kept his black features, and had african american children. (although, his kids are cuties!)

        I don’t know if Michael’s sperm was used with Debbie Rowe, but if you ever took biology you know that the baby resulting has a 50:50 chance of looking like one parent or the other. Obama ended up looking like his father although it could have gone the other way and he could have resembled his mother (and the world would have been better off it that happened).

        Interracial affairs and marriage are very common today so references to him having an affinity for white women should not be an issue and is, in effect, racist.

        I found what Quincy Jones said to be very ignorant and somewhat racist.

        • http://www.dcmediagirl.com DCMediagirl

          And by the way given Quincy Jones’s history he’s hardly one to talk about white and black. Just sayin’.

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          “You don’t know anything about Vitiligo” – I was referring to his plastic surgery which disfigured his face. He rid himself of his african american features, ruined his face with a new nose, chin, eyes, etc. He was a handsome boy/man, and he became a weird white woman with surgery, regardless of whether he had vitiligo or not.

          People who lighten their skin are also very susceptible to skin cancer, and have to stay out of the sun.

          People who undergo plastic surgery also have to stay out of the sun, to protect the scars.

          It is not racist to point out fact – spare me the racist bullshit. I didn’t say he had an affinity for white women, I said his two wives were white. People keep saying Michael was so proud to be black yet I don’t see much in his life that supports that argument. I think it is sad he ruined his face – whatever the reason.

          “Michael Jackson was not the biological father of any of his children. And Debbie Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore for Michael. All three children were conceived in vitro — outside the womb.”

          http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/michael-jackson-debbie-rowe-surrogate-children-in-vitro/

          50-50 chance they look like one parent or the other, yet all three don’t look like Michael?

          “(and the world would have been better off it that happened).” – the world would be better off if Obama were white???

          • hokma

            And you still don’t know anything about Vitiligo. You can read about the physicial deformities, but you cannot imagine the psychological impact it has on a person of color and how far they will go to cover or get rid of the deformity – including plastic surgery and skin grafts – when you don’t have the family/friends support structure to help you cope. All he had were leaches and this carnival today proves it.

            What slugs like Sharpton and others are saying today are completely self-serving.

            As far as Obama, many people voted for him because it was a fairy tale final chapter to the civil rights movement and overlooked his inadequate experience. If he looked like his mother do you think he would have been elected? Even as Senator from Illinois? That’s what I meant.

            • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

              I have read a lot about it, and I am sure it can cause a lot of emotional distress. I am not doubting that one bit. And if you have suffered from this, I hope you are doing ok.

              However, I do not believe – I am not 100% sure either way that MJ had the disease. You have NO idea whether he really did or not either. You believe him, I don’t. IF he had it, then yes, it would have been very distressing, even traumatic. But I don’t…and I don’t understand IF he did, why he would destroy every other original feature of his face.

              Like I said, he claimed to have this disease in the same interview he said he only had two very minor plastic surgery operations – which was OBVIOUSLY a lie. So…. if he is going to lie about one element, why not the other?

              We know the disease exists, and we know what it looks like, and we know how it can affect people. We don’t KNOW that Michael had it.

              • hokma

                There is sufficient evidence and interviews to prove that he had it. You may not choose to blieve it but such is life.

                I don’t have it. My brother does.

                • http://firefox AnnieCollier

                  On the other hand, Jones was a long time, close personal friend and producer. Didn’t have to rely on evidence from interviews.

                  • hokma

                    Quincy Jones was a friend of convenience and he is flat out ignorant. I also know that he regrets some of the remarks he made in Details magazine.

                    Is it enough that the coroner said his chest was spotted like a leopard?

                    • Ferd Berfle

                      Quincy Jones was a friend of convenience and he is flat out ignorant.

                      And how would you know this? You post often but without any documentation concerning Qunicy’s knowledge. Frankly, I’ll believe Quincy as he’s been around a while and is a true musician as apposed to an entertainer or singer.

                    • hokma

                      I have have seen many ignorant uninformed remarks about vitiligo from people who didn’t bother to take the time to first learn and then just bloviate because of their personal opinion of Jackson. I watched it on TV, in the press, and here.

                      I think Jackson’s doctor and the coroner are a better judge than Quincy Jones. And my source about Jones is confidential.

                    • hokma

                      Also Ferd – maybe if you lived with it for a while you wouldn’t be casting about wasteful remarks.

          • carol haka

            He had Lupus and you have to stay out of the sun!

          • sandi78

            “Michael Jackson was not the biological father of any of his children. And Debbie Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore for Michael. All three children were conceived in vitro — outside the womb.”

            From accounts I have read, the sperm was not MJ’s, but Debbie Rowe says that she is the biological mother and that she’s willing to take a DNA test to prove it.

      • Yeah Right

        I am trying my best to remember Michael for the great entertainer but it is becoming increasingly hard. It is hard NOT to consider Michael Jackson, the person. It is at a point to where I can no longer watch his interviews because it is so apparent that he had a hard time being truthful about many things. In looking at his interviews, I ask why give an interview if you can’t be honest. Or atleast inform the interviewer PRIOR to the interview that they can’t ask certain questions.

        I know that the skin condition is real but I DO NOT believe that he really suffered from a condition that was so severe that it turned his entire body white! Did the skin condition change the shape of his face and nose as well? It is very apparent that he had issues with the way he looked and the color of his skin. A half blind cockroach can see that the man bleached his skin. I would be willing to take his proud to be black comment at face value but then the next question is why did he CHOOSE to have WHITE children. He said the children were biologically his but any fool could see that the kids were white.

        A nice looking brown skinned man turns himself into a very pale, very light white looking person and CHOOSES to have white children—–yet this person say that he is proud of his blackness. Only a very naive person would take this statement at face value or even believe it!

        Indeed, Michael had major issues that I can’t even comprehend. I just sincerely hope that he is now at peace!

        I respect the music and career accomplishments but I am not going to sit up here and be a sheep and buy into the lies or try to sell the lies. It is what it is.

        • hokma

          “I know that the skin condition is real but I DO NOT believe that he really suffered from a condition that was so severe that it turned his entire body white”

          Yes. Vitiligo can take away the pigment from most of your body and at least half.

          Rather than argue and give you facts, it would be worthwhile reading about Vitiligo and looking at photos of people who have it.

          One person, Lee Thomas, is a black TV journalist who wrote a book about it and showed himself without his makeup. It will give you some idea of what jackson looked like in his 20′s at its early stages.

          It would also be worthwhile reading about the psychological effects it has one young people with it.

          The you will rethink comments like: “A nice looking brown skinned man turns himself into a very pale, very light white looking person”

          • Yeah Right

            I’ve done some research on the condition and I have seen the pics and but still don’t buy Jackson’s story.

            Apparently, you do buy it but I don’t so I guess we will continue to agree to disagree.

            I have seen pics of Michael in his young 20′s and the pics did show different skin tones on his face, light brown and dark brown but I haven’t seen ANY pics of him that support the allegations that he suffered from the condition. I am light skinned but some parts are lighter than other. My daughter is brown skin and some parts of her body are darker than other parts. Mr. Thomas provided proof of his condition. Mr. Jackson did not do so. Again, I know the condition is real but unless there are pics to back up Jackson’s statement, I will ALWAYS believe that HE bleached his skin…..again, we will continue to agree to disagree so lets leave it at that.

      • tzada

        Did vitiligo take away most of his nose too?

    • trixta

      BTW, Quincy Jones married two white woman — the mod-squad beauty of the 70s and, most recently, Hugh Hefner’s ex-wife. Looks like it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black, as they say (i.e. you’re criticizing the very thing you are/do).

  • Tricia

    BTW, i’M very disappointed in Quincy Jones. chemical peels do not bleach your skin white, I’m not black, but I’ve had chemical peels, and all it does is diminish some fine lines and some mild acne scars. It does not penetrate deep enough to cause to lose your melanin. I would love to know how one can bleach their skin. Can somebody give me a site or a doctor or the process of bleaching your skin? That’s crazy!

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      I have been paying attention. I did see the Oprah episode. He also stated in that interview that he had only two tiny plastic surgery operations.
      http://blogs.nypost.com/tv/photos/jackson_oprah_interview.jpg

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196633/How-Jacksons-surgery-desperate-bid-look-like-father-hated.html

      http://www.facialplasticsurgery.net/hyperpigmentation.htm

      Deepak – http://www.examiner.com/x-7311-Cultural-Trends-Examiner~y2009m6d27-Selfhelp-guru-Deepak-Chopra-exploits-Michael-Jackson-connection-Did-he-attempt-to-help-video

      Personally, I consider Quincy a much more reliable source on Michael, than Deepak.

      http://necolebitchie.com/2009/07/01/quincy-jones-speaks-on-michael-jackson

      “But in no way he wanted to be a white person. He would state he was proud and honored of being black. He was misunderstood all his life. Let’s try to give him the benefit of the doubt now.”

      Why did he marry white, and choose white children? I was pretty much a fan all of his life – I’m just being realistic. I think lots of people are giving him the benefit of the doubt…

      • hokma
        • Yeah Right

          Great Pics and it does have more insight on the condition. No one is arguing that the condition is real. We all know that it is HOWEVER, many of us seriously doubt Jackson’s story of having the condition.

          You can prove all of us doubters wrong by SPECIFICALLY showing pictures of Micheal Jackson with the condition.

          All Mike had to do was show pics of his condition, that would have shut many of his critics up years ago….without proof that Jackson suffered from the condition, the nonbelievers will continue to be just that.

          There are those who believe and those who don’t. In the end, unless there is proof, we will continue to agree to disagree!

          • hokma

            This has the relevant part of is interview with Oprah in ’93 when he admitted it and described it. It also has a photo of his leg after a spider bite which shows the patches.

            http://inrepair.net/2007/12/18/vitiligo-more-than-skin-deep/

            What Michael should have done (had he had even one friend he would have) was come out and be a national spokesperson for the disease, raise money, and find a cure. It would have been cathartic for him and helped young african american kids who have it.

            But he was surrounded by leaches who just wanted to collect paychecks from him. I happen to know one of those leaches and that is a kind word for him.

          • hokma

            Having said that I am not at all condoning the adulation he is getting and this freak show at the Staples Center of people who leeched off this guy from his father to all his “good friends.”

          • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

            Not one picture of Jackson in the bunch and Quincy Jones saying Jackson bleached his skin and not because of vitiligo.

            At this point in the day does it really matter? Jackson supporters are gonna believe what they want to, just like obots believe that Obama is the messiah. The mentality is the same.

            It would appear that Jackson’s choice of continual plastic surgery and color of children and spouses would speak volumes, however.

            MJ rest in peace.

            • hokma

              The coroner said his chest was spotted like a leopard. What is your answer to that?

              Honestly, if you don’t know what you are talking about it’s better not to say anything at all.

              • Ferd Berfle

                The disease didn’t carve up his face, now did it? All those surgeries did nothing but line the pockets of shyster plastic surgeons and made him a truly pitiful character. His doctors share the blame for that and that is as much as I will grant him.

                • hokma

                  Some of the surgeries were to graft unaffected skin from one part of his body to his face.

                  Others were to change his features because he never had any friends or relatives who cared enough to help him psychologically.

                  I don’t know if you saw that circus of a memorial today. I saw clips and it made my stomach turn. Other than his three kids, the rest of the lot were a bunch of self-serving people who leeched off of Jackson for years and were shedding phony tears. Where were any of them when he needed a support system for his battle with vitiligo? And who among those clowns were there for a drug intervention?

                  • Ferd berfle

                    The whole spectacle was morally bankrupt and did his memory no honor. The participants should have stayed at home and reflected upon their own existence and its potential betterment. I won’t hold my breath, however, waiting for people who find joy in vicarious life to actually reflect upon their own.

                    My real beef is with these alleged fans who have made this all about themselves. It is disgusting beyond words.

      • Wisewoman

        AGII. You keep saying he said he was proud to be black “yet he married a white woman”. I am one of 14 children born to a southern MS mother and father. Three of my siblings married white people. One brother married a german girl and brought her back to the states. The other brother and sister married white Americans. Neither one of them renounced their “blackness”. You are beginning to sound foolish trying to offer proof that a black person who marries a white person is not proud to be black. By that analogy, a white person who marries a black person is not proud to be white. I say that is utter rubbish.

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          that is not my point – so don’t pick out one snippet of my comment and get in a tizzy.

          my point is his whole life by public appearance, became *white*. I’m not saying black people that marry outside of their race aren’t proud of their race, I’m saying nothing in MJ’s life makes me think he wanted to be black. He became white, changed all of this features to appear white, and picked white kids, and a white woman to carry those kids.

          I don’t care what color he marries or what his kids look like, but if people keep saying to counter the argument that he didn’t bleach his skin is because he was *proud to be african american* my POINT is that it didn’t appear to be the case, to me. I felt like he tried to distance himself from his race through all of his actions. My comments are directed at MJ, not society in general.

          WRT your family – did they bleach their skin and disfigure their faces so badly that they no longer looked African American?

          He was a beautiful young man, and he destroyed what made him that way and became a scary ass looking white woman.

    • Onofre’s arm

      Maybe it’s just one big white tatoo.

      Skin color aside, the intentional mutilation of his face is not the behavior of a sane person. I can’t imagine that anyone in his circle of friends told him he looked good, but apparently very few cared enough to tell him he looked awful. If the people around him really cared, they should have had him committed. It seems that Quincy Jones may have been one of MJ’s true friends. Perhaps with more “tough love”, MJ might still be alive.

      It’s not difficult to make the case that MJ was insane, and anyone refusing to recognize that reality must also be wrapped up in a shared psychotic disorder. Again, when worshippers turn a blind eye to the wretched behavior of their idols, those idols get the wrong feedback, and the miserable behavior will be magnified. All of this preposterous public display of adoration and sloppy gushing over a deeply disturbed celebrity is also sending the wrong signal to our children. And the stark irony of this whole affair is that the unconditional love and fawning worship of his fans is likely the main cause for his early death. You held him to no societal standards for normal behavior, so you actually loved him to death!

      Oh yeah, the same logic can be applied to Obama and his supporters. So please, bring on more drunken love you Obamabots!

    • rw

      Really, a simple search in the Am. Board of dermatology gives you the ans. on chemical peels (see below). As for creams, a hydroquinone (a compound used in photography )cream does the trick in skin whitening, esp. when mixed with alpha hydroxy acids (check wiki).

      “Here are general guidelines for various chemical peel types:

      AHA peels
      This procedure is performed in our office and requires no sedation or anesthesia. ..the mildly caustic AHA solution will be applied..usually takes 10 to 15 minutes. You will experience some reddening to your face, but you may resume normal activities right away. Expect temporary flaking, redness, dryness and scaling until your skin adjusts to the treatments. You can have an AHA peel frequently—weekly, if desired.

      TCA peels
      The TCA peel will be performed in our office. You will not need anesthesia since the chemical solution itself has a numbing effect on the skin shortly after it is applied. At first, patients feel a warm or burning sensation which is followed by some stinging. As the chemical is applied, the epidermis is removed and the chemical penetrates into the dermis. The Medical Aesthetician controls the depth of penetration.

      What type of peel is right for you? Your skin type and color, ethnic background and age will be factors we will evaluate. Darker skin poses special considerations due to increased risk of undesirable skin pigmentation changes. Black skin, Asian skin, and other dark complexions may become permanently discolored or blotchy after a skin-refinishing treatment.

      Seems chemical peels can produce vitiligo type condition … then treat with hydroquinone cream….and stay out of the sun.

  • Eddie

    Amen, Larry Johnson.
    And, Larry, you’ll have to excuse the trolls on the thread. They only just got over the break up of the Archies and put away their copies of “Sugar, Sugar.” The death of Jackson is a very traumatic moment for them. Even though he’s got no song of lasting value. No “Hey Jude,” no “Let It Be,” no “Yesterday,” no anything.
    Reality: As part of a craze, a bad album sold. And yet, the song publishing industry gives awards to Carly Simon and not Michael because, unlike Jackson, Carly Simon’s songs still get played on the radio. “Anticipation” ranks up there with “Yesterday” in radio plays.

    • carol haka

      How about “We are the World”???????

      • imustprotest

        Carly Simon is an artist and the song is her work of art, it’s about the song. For Jackson, the songs were just vehicles to promote him and a way for him to shine, it wasn’t about the song, it was about him.

  • Tricia Spiegel

    WOW! Larry, Michael Jackson was all that you say–not that much really but this rant was one of your best!

  • Layla

    Jackson wasn’t just a singer/dancer/choreographer, he was also a brilliant pop songwriter. Unlike some others, I am capable of separating the man’s horror movie of a personal life from his brilliant body of work.

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      Frank Sinatra didn’t write a single note of music or lyrics. Everything was handed, completely, to him by professional songwriters. Same goes for Elvis. I don’t think Presley wrote a single note or lyric ever.

      I was surprised the Jackson wrote Billie Jean, Beat It, Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough and others. Billie Jean especially is a really excellent pop tune.

      • Benjamin

        None of them hold a candle to the body of work created by Lennon-McCartney and George Harrison. The Beatles were a bigger cultural influence IMO, but that’s just me. I pretty much grew up idolizing The Beatles.

    • PainkillerJayne

      Roman Polanski didn’t get a pass from me. MJ won’t either.

    • fara

      “I am capable of separating the man’s horror movie of a personal life from his brilliant body of work.”
      How does this justify 24/7 coverage of him for the past 12 days?

  • I’m a Linda too

    I was and am a fan of MJ’s. I grew up with him. I was and am deeply sad for the loss.

    I surely did not think it right to start trouncing on the man when he died and many were mourning. He was a good soul, beautiful voice, great moves. But the media has pushed it to ridiculousness, as usual.

    Michael was a talent, I’m sorry his internal scars carried so much outwardly. He is no longer suffering-to be sure.

    The folks who mocked him and hurt him are the ones currently trying to cash in on him. ENUF.

    God speed MJ, forever peace you have.

    • HARP

      He is no longer suffering-to be sure.

      Nor are the children he admitted sleeping with. Catch a train to reality. He was a freak. Good riddance.

      • olivia1998

        I agree Harp. Do we need idols so badly we’ll worship anyone?

  • Seymour

    As Larry said, Michael Jackson was a phenomenal dancer chorographer, a great music writer, musician and showman but I was never offered a free Jackson concert or CD, I paid cash for this entertainment for years. I grew up listening to Jackson and loved the music however, in California where IOU’s are on the menu for the next three months, why is it that the estate of Jackson worth an estimated $250 million on the downside expect the taxpayers to pick up the tab on this?

    $2 million for security alone! Nope, these costs should be subordinated by the City with the direct costs going to the estate of Michael Jackson thanking the fans that made him and his family wealthy. Take, take, take, take, take…….

    JMHO

  • HARP

    How about a little dose of reality:

    Lt. Brian Bradshaw, 24, died in Kheyl, Afganistan, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle. Bradshaw, of Steilacoom, Wash., was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Airborne Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division in Fort Richardson, Alaska. He was one of at least 13 U.S. soldiers to die in Afghanistan since Jackson’s death on June 25.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530361,00.html

    • olivia1998

      Harp – We should be ashamed of ourselves, totally ashamed.
      No wonder Obama and his family can dazzle America it’s all about the bling. Ashamed I say Ashamed

    • Hg

      Today I suppose we go to war with the media we have just as someone said we go to war with the army we have. Only thing is the media is only interested in their own interests and what is popular at the time. “Jocko” Jackson isn’t about war but about the black craze and adoration of a pedophile.Some unknown Soldier, Marine, Navy, or Airforce guy being blown away by the enemy just isn’t front page news.

    • Benjamin

      Yes, here we go fighting an all-out counter-insurgency operation in Afghanistan. There will be more and more casualties. Will the media pay attention to this? I’d like more of statement from Obama about what our mission is there, and what’s the end game. So far, he only says our mission is to prevent al-qaeda from attacking us, but we’re now fighting a full-fledged war against the Taliban.

    • thinker

      I actually thought that it was disgraceful that in their grief this family sought to piggy back on Michael Jackson’s fame to seek recognition of their relative in a rather mean-spirited way. The fact of the matter is that their relative would never get the same recognition even if MJ had not died. They need to take that up with the media, the Pentagon and the White House. They should not try to belittle the acheivements of a man who was recognised and revered throughout the world for his amazing talents. I am sure that they were not so bent out of shape when the other 4,000 or so soldiers who have also died since 911 went unrecognised. Maybe if they had expressed some outrage at any of those times their son’s passing would have been treated differenty.

  • Hg

    The one gloved hand was one thing, but Jacko wearing a jockstrap or womens undies or whatever the hell it was on the outside of his street cloths is pure freakish. He shoulduv been named jocko instead. Or did he have elephantitis where he needed the extra ball(s’) support just as he needed the glove to protect his yanker hand? A singer, a writer, or a wild horse rider? makes no diferrence because a freak pedophile under any other name is still a pedophile. Tis a sad day when the likes of a pedophile are glamorized and idolized by our national media.

    • http://www.MyAllNaturalWeightLoss.com Suzie Q

      It’s a sad day when you convict a man without any evidence. Ever heard of “innocent until proven guilty” ?

      The “freak show” type comments are … sad. They reflect poorly on you. Grow a heart.

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        “Just wait until she gets charged by the feds! Ha! I can’t wait to hear the conspiracy theories swirl then.”

        What are you going to say when the scandal starts coming out? What are you going to say when Sarah Palin gets charged for criminal activities?

        No… I think it’s going to have to be a bit more serious than that for her to quit her job as Gov. because of it: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7280

        You on Sarah Palin….

        Innocent until proven guilty?

        • Senneth

          Thank you American Girl. I was thinking the exact saame thing reading Suzie’s post. What a hypocrite!

      • Hg

        Oh, I have a heart. I just don’t have a heart for pedophiles or the people that DEFEND pedophylia. You should grow a conscious, for the children who suffered and will suffer from the atrocious acts of the pedophile.

  • Benjamin

    Well, Al Sharpton is on tv right now and in his speech gave MJ credit for Obama’s election. Um, I think that’s a bit of a stretch.

    • Docelder

      Yea right, blame it on the dead guy. ;)

      • Benjamin

        Heh, I thought Jackson might have been a Hillary supporter but I’m not sure.

  • jjsmoof

    Al “coat tail rodeo champion” Sharpton. Blech!

  • sandi78

    Does anyone know how Jehovah’s Witnesses usually treat death and funerals?

    • Docelder

      Almost the same. But, they don’t talk of going to heaven, but awaiting a resurrection in a perfect world.

      • Hg

        Perfect world? Wasn’t that what the Garden of Eden was supposed to be? Paradise, a perfect habitation? Only thing is, the two humans on earth at that time, Adam and Eve, just couldn’t handle it [a perfect world]. ;( Wonder what party they belonged to? LOL!!

        • Docelder

          The emphasis in other Christian funerals is on Jesus’ birth, sacrifice and salvation to heaven. In the JW funerals it is on Jesus’ death, sacrifice and salvation to a perfect Earth. Not all that different. A flavor of Christianity. I would guess MJ wasn’t a practicing member of that organization. I say that because they are very strict, leaning toward fundamentalist.

          • Hg

            JWs believe that the chosen for God’s Kingdom (heaven) are already chosen. Meaning all these other JWs are going to get something other than the heavenly paradise (which didn’t work out too well for the “First people”). Besides Jesus is just another angel God created (according to the JWs), but the point is, it doesn’t matter whether or not MJ was a JW because he wasn’t in that first bunch of JWs that have already been chosen for paradise. But the JWs need the cash (capitalists ;) ) so any and all newcomers are welcome, especially if they have $$$$$millions. go figure.

        • Benjamin

          I’m quite sure Adam was the Republican and
          Eve, the Democrat. The apple that Eve offered was like the poisoned chalice of Obama stimulus money.

          • Docelder

            In that first scenario, the serpent is the “father of the lie” because he told the first lie. In the analogy to stimulus money in the modern scenario… who is the serpent? ;)

            • Benjamin

              Obama? LOL

  • Diana L. C.

    And because of this the so-called news media is going to treat his memorial service as a major news event. If you understand this then it is easy to understand why a guy with little experience in government or running anything requiring genuine management experience can become President.

    Larry, This is the most important point you made. However, I would change your next sentence:

    We must admit the truth–we are getting the entertainers and politicians we deserve.

    I would write this instead: “We must admit the truth–we are getting only entertainers for politicians.”

    MJ had very little effect on the lives of my family. I sort of thought he was cute as a member of The Jackson Five, but then any music he made after meant nothing to me or my boys. They moved on to the music of the Led Zeppelin (my older boy) style and grunge of Kurt Cobain (my younger boy). Both stongly disliked the pop music of the MJ variety.

    I give anyone credit for musical talent, as I have absolutely zilch in that regard. (My elementary music teacher–swear to God–once asked me to simply mouth the words. I made it to first chair clarinet in our small town band, but that was only because I practiced and the other two kids didn’t. :-) )

    But being an entertainer should not become like being an idol for so many kids. It’s that idol worship and the money thrown at MJ that I blame as much as the trauma he may have suffered from his father. It meant he never had to face himself and grow. Many non-idol Americans have to do that all the time–face imperfect childhoods.

    As for the entertainer’s obligation to “give back,” I would prefer a country in which more people spent far less on attending these extravaganzas and on entertainment and more on charities themselves. It’s great that many celebrities do that, but it would also be more balanced if they didn’t make such outrageous fortunes and be so constantly in rhe news because people were more interested in other regular people’s lives across the world.

    For me, as I’ve mentioned before: “and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.” (John Donne)

    MJ should finally get the chance to belong to mankind by NOT being treated as anything but one other human. He should have had just a private funeral as we all meditate on the tolling bell.

    • Docelder

      “We must admit the truth–we are getting only entertainers for politicians.”

      We may be able to put Alec Baldwin in that list before long.

      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6659422.ece

      Why not? On a side note personally, I would prefer Samuel L. Jackson over Obama as President. If I could have any celebrity of choice, and if it needed to be a black guy. Because Samuel L. is my favorite black guy celebrity. Plus, I would love to hear the dialogue between him and Ajad. ;)

      • Benjamin

        On the day Al Franken finally won his senate race, Charles Krauthammer said, “it’s refreshing to get someone in the senate who actually ADMITS to being a comedian.” ;-)

        • Peggy Sue

          I didn’t hear that quote from Krauthammer but it’s a true “gem.”

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        Plus, I would love to hear the dialogue between him and Ajad.

        Now that is a tasty a falafal!

  • Mandelay

    Wow. This column is nasty. Was it really necessary?

  • bingham

    hey! who’s watching MICHAEL’S kids? and if i were at the ceromony, would it be proper for my kids to lay in bed and watch movies with a pop star? hmmmmm. does the joy of millions out weigh the trauma brought on to the hand picked children he “played” with? i bet those kids are crying too. or perhaps killing themselves out of guilt, with drugs. thats usually what happens.the guilt killed him,(michael) and a month from now, i think all speaking at the ceromony will have guilt issues as well. the voice of just ONE of those kids, should and would, bring down this whole fiasco

    • http://www.MyAllNaturalWeightLoss.com Suzie Q

      He was never convicted.

      Innocent until proven guilty is how we do things in this country. Go somewhere else if you don’t want to play by our rules.

  • tillthen

    Al Sharpton! LMFAO One presumes Sharpton is trying to advance the cause of AAs. How stupid to lionize this one. The vast majority of educated people in this country know who MJ was and are not buying into this garbage. On the contrary, it only serves to solidify the negative. That he had white children bred for his amusement flies over the heads of the idolators, and that he actually got away with it is an astonishing reflection against this society.

    Let’s hope that the children are the prime recipients of the fortune that will now be made on his phony legacy. God only knows what they had to endure.

    • http://www.MyAllNaturalWeightLoss.com Suzie Q

      Judge not, unless you want to be judged yourself.

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        Again – one might say the same thing to you:

        “Just wait until she gets charged by the feds! Ha! I can’t wait to hear the conspiracy theories swirl then.”

      • Peggy Sue

        What a frigging hypocrite, you are Suzie Q! Spounting Bible verses for the King of Pop but making judgments left and right for everyone who doesn’t agree with your POV.

        Try a Catholic confession. Good for the soul [for those that have one, that is].

      • Ferd Berfle

        Take you own advice, dink, and stop the ad hominems against those of us who don’t have chips in their skulls and on their shoulders as you do.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    OK, totally choked up when Paris spoke at the funeral. They are adorable kids… I hope they have a normal and safe life. One that their father never had.

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Well, they’ve had anything but a “normal” life so far and the promise of growing up in the dysfunctional Jackson zoo doesn’t hold much promise for the future either. Remember Grandma Jackson was the enabler in that family and Grandpa was the abuser. The other kids just a damaged. Janet and LaToya better not have anymore nose surgeries or they’ll be wearing a prosthesis too. Vitilago, my foot.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    First Larry Johnson writes this borderline moronic post on the over coverage of MJ, and what happens? They bump this sorrowful and pathetic back to the top….WTF?

    • tillthen

      It would only seem moronic to an Obot or a rabid MJ fan, just like the drive to produce a birth certificate or to say that the Glove was a pedophile would appear to be. Which are you?

      This lucid, penetrating analysis is a rare diamond in the rough compared to the rivers of garbage spewing forth from the media ogres. You ‘holes shrivel up at the first sign of verity.

      GFY!

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        You are fucking hopeless my friend.

    • Docelder

      They bump this

      Because it will never be more relevant than right now. Thankfully, we don’t all have to like the same things the same way and all believe the same way… yet.

    • Benjamin

      Bumped up so we could Live Blog the memorial.

      • Hg

        Bumped Up because every American has the right to express their points of view on what is pertinent and what is not when it comes to the media reporting on national interest as opposed to cult interest only.

  • http://www.MyAllNaturalWeightLoss.com Suzie Q

    While I can understand the sentiment about the media. I think the comments about Michael Jackson are extremely unfortunate. If you don’t have anything nice to say, I would recommend not saying anything at all.

    • bingham

      you might be at the wrong site there suzie. free speech remember. are you upset that you didnt make it to the ceremony?

    • tillthen

      Oh Suzie, go bake some cookies.

      • bingham

        yea! maybe some michael-monkey cookies! or elephant-man crackers!

    • Docelder

      That wouldn’t make for a very interesting or lively blog… not saying anything at all.

      • http://www.HomeStudioEssentials.com A-Nony-Mouse

        Speaking ill of those that have recently passed away is in very poor taste.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Shut up A-Nony-Mouse/Suzie-Q/Francis/Kelvin/Believe/Debbie/Se/SFHillary and every other cancerous growth on the collective gene pool you post under.

        • Ferd Berfle

          You’re brain-dead so I will refrain from making a snide remark about both your stench and acumen.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      SuzieQ/A nony mouse: People might say the same thing to you. “If you don’t have anything nice to say, I would recommend not saying anything at all.”

      SuzieQ/A nony mouse:
      “Perez Hilton is an idiot. He’s just as stupid & ignorant as Sarah Palin. The difference? Nobody thinks Perez Hilton should be President.”

      “Holy crap, you’re nuts. And it’s so sad that you folks are rallying around this empty empty woman, Sarah Palin. I mean for God’s sake. That’s just so pathetic it’s hard to imagine anything more pathetic. She is ignorant & stupid”.

      :#1 She’s stupid & ignorant and she revels in that stupidity and ignorance. She represents everything wrong with America in that way.

      #2 She reminds us of George W. Bush.”

      “It’s just flat out stunning how delusional these comments are. “Expect her to be so smart.” Did you read her resignation letter? She’s an idiot.”

      “You are a delusional racist. Crawl back under your rock.”

      “Just wait until she gets charged by the feds! Ha! I can’t wait to hear the conspiracy theories swirl then.”

      • Hg

        Oh they are just jealous of the beauty queen who was/is also a GOVERNOR. What a combination. Beauty, Brains, and a LOVING MOTHER and wife. Let em get it out of their system, the poor miserable souls that they are. :)

    • Ferd Berfle

      If you don’t have anything nice to say, I would recommend not saying anything at all.

      This coming from an Obamabot who comes here with her mindless prattle and ad hominem abusives and a daily basis, spamming every thread in sight.

      Look, Suzie Creamcheese, take your own damn advice and shut your gaping maw.

    • Peggy Sue

      Oh, Suzie Q. The Thumper philosophy. How quaint! Too bad the Far Left didn’t practice what it now is so eager to preach.

      Hillary Clinton anyone???? Sarah Palin????

      Hypocrites, all of you.

    • Peggy Sue

      So Suzie Q., you recommend the “Thumper philosophy”–If you don’t have anything good to say then you should say nothing at all.

      Very appropriate with Disney and Hollywood and Bambi in mind. It’s good you have cartoon morality to fall back on.

      Let me make a suggestion: follow your own damn advice!

  • JoeCHI

    Agreed.

    My partner and I have always thought Jackson was very creepy, and believe that he was a pedophile and child-molester.

    Most of our gay male friends concur.

  • standard

    Our TV is staying off until the media circus finds another slug fixation to exploit.

    I think they’re providing entertainment because it is a free – FREE event. Unlike, say, the Olympics which costs them millions.

    Needless to say, we will be turning to Jon Stewart for commentary.

  • standard

    Speaking of gross subjects, can anyone find the penis on this Picasso?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Le-reve-1932.jpg

  • Benjamin

    OT – but I just saw on the news that the Dems are pushing for a new czar – a Health Care Czar. What is it with Obama and these czars? The numbers of them are getting ridiculous and it’s almost looking like he’s forming some kind of shadow government – with no need for Congressional approval and no Congressional oversight.

    • Docelder

      some kind of shadow government

      The czars don’t have to answer to anybody but Obama. We already had a system of government before Obama came to town. Who died and left him boss? He was elected to do a job. Nobody elected him to change the office of President itself… just to be the President. People who get it aren’t surprised by this. They saw this coming. When the bots start to awaken, they are going to blow some gaskets… because they actually believed in him.

      • Benjamin

        Yep, he’s certainly living up to the impression I got of him during the primary. Obama and his cronies are a gang of thugs who could care less for our Constitution or the rule of law.

      • http://firefox AnnieCollier

        He needs a lot of help so he delegates for every issue for which he has no command. Hey, go research everything and get back to me…I don’t have time for it…

    • trixta

      Benjamin, you just answered your own question.

  • wowthatwasbad

    Noquarter gets the bloggers it deserves.

    Saying Micheal Jackson did nothing for others is demonstrably false. The figures he raised for charity are astronomical. He reinvented philanthropy on a scale that only the Bill Gates and Bono’s of the world could follow.

    But all Larry is demonstrating here is that he doesn’t understand that others can, in good faith and sound intelligence, respect or admire someone he does not. He even accused someone who disagrees with him about Micheal Jackson of drinking the kool-aid.

    In Larry’s binary world of kool-aid drinkers and non kool-aid drinkers there is no room for honest disagreement based on mutual respect. I feel sorry for him.

    • Ferd Berfle

      The figures he raised for charity are astronomical. He reinvented philanthropy on a scale that only the Bill Gates and Bono’s of the world could follow.

      You know very little about philanthropy. Ted Turner gave away 1/3 of his fortune, which put the fabulous Billy G. to shame.

  • bingham

    ok michael..its over. now just BEAT IT!

    • Benjamin

      Unfortunately, it’s far from over. There’s still the mysterious circumstances surrounding his death, child custody, money issues, on and on.

      And the blogosphere is all saturated and distracted by Sarah Palin. Sheesh. There are several pressing issues that people really need to talk about:

      1. Afghanistan – we’ve lost 13 people since June 25th. We need a clearer statement on exactly what our mission is there – and what is the end game. We are actively out in the villages and towns of Afghanistan fighting a counter-insurgency operation. Is this a temporary offensive or will this be our on-going posture there? When will the press start pressing Obama on this?

      2. Cap and trade – most Americans have no idea what’s in this bill, but its effects on our economy will be far reaching if it passes. We know it will cause energy prices to skyrocket (Obama himself has stated this), and people in heavy coal states will be especially hard hit. It will also drive more jobs overseas. But of course, it will be a great source of income for the government and several companies are positioned to make a killing off it (GE, Goldman Sachs). Middle and lower income families will be hit hard by this. I think CBO estimated that cap and trade will cost the average American family about 3,000 per year.

  • mel

    Anyone find it strange that MJ did everything to shelter his kids from public viewing to protect them and what does his family do before he is even planted in the ground, but put them on public display today!

    This family can’t even respect eachother….sheesh!

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    LOL!

    I still like the Van Halen treatment in that song and the special effects in the Billie Jean video, but the rest…not so much.

    RIP Michael, please.

  • tzada

    This is for the MJ fans. You can donate to help the cause.

    A budget crisis pushed the city to ask the public for help in paying for security at the memorial. It set up a Web site where fans can donate. The city is hoping to recoup some of the estimated $2 million to $4 million it cost to have thousands of police and firefighters on hand in case of an emergency.

    Matt Szabo, spokesman for Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, said providing security at the event was the city’s “obligation” and its “No. 1 priority.”

    But the city does need help, he said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/07/michael.jackson.security/index.html

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Cash on hand in his estate was some place around $650k. Why not start there…or did the Jackson’s spend that on the gold plated coffin?

      Not one penny should come from other than his personal estate. Who expects a bankrupt state, city to pay for a grandiose funeral? And I don’t care how much security they have to pay for. They could have had a private funeral and burial and let their followers pay at the gates of the theme park after he’s reburied in the monument/crypt. It was their choice to set up LA for the public worship/adulation of the Jackson family.

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        Short sighted thinking. LA will be raking in millions from hotels, motels, eating establishments, etc, all because hundreds of thousands of people came out to LA for the memorial.

        Kind of reminds me when the Grateful Dead came to Las Vegas for the first time in 1991. The city government fumed at all these unwashed hippies converging on the city. Druggies! Dopers! Disgusting fans! We’ll bill the band for damages!

        Then, the concert came and the Deadheads filled the hotels and casinos and they ended up raking in millions of dollars.

        Then the Grateful Dead were suddenly welcomed every year in Vegas until Jerry Garcia died.

        • http://firefox AnnieCollier

          Hundreds of thousands? Inside the center, Greta reported being shocked at big blocks of empty seats. Outside? Around a thousand people according to one Fox worshiper. They were very surprised and attributed it to people taking the city councilwoman’s advise to stay home and watch on tee vee. Tax revenue to cover the millions of dollars this has cost would have to be on the level of a week of Olympic Games…even at our obscene 8.25%

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    I’m sure a few diehard MJ fans on here will be happy to donate.

    • Ellen D

      Thanks, Buzz. We need the money! Perhaps we can qualify as a charity for the moment.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    I think the reason people who grew up with Jackson’s music may be feeling so much emotion and loss is they mourn the loss of their own youth. How else to explain such personal attachment to a stranger.

    I liked Elvis. Fortunately, I was an adult when he died and didn’t in any way mourn my generation’s lost youth. It was simply a sad, passing story. Certainly not license for an orgy of emotion.

    So much of the excess of this whole Jackson fiasco is a bad example of an attempt at reinvention, justification, vindication intermingled with manipulation by the media. It’s all the same critter; PR for $$$$$$$$$.

    I’ve already forgotten where I was when I heard the “news”. RIP. If only.

    • Ferd Berfle

      I think the reason people who grew up with Jackson’s music may be feeling so much emotion and loss is they mourn the loss of their own youth.

      This is part and parcel of being human and cognizant of our own mortality. The loss of youth is really no big thing as it is something that has always been a part of human existence. I much prefer to live in the present with a 52-year old body and the experience that goes with it. I wouldn’t trade this time of my life for any other because I finally got it.

      The personal attachment to a stranger says more about the one attached than it does about the one to whom they are attached. They would rather live vicariously through an idol than actually do the living themselves. Such a shame, really. I don’t pity Michael–I pity his followers who now only have memories and not much else.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    one of a kind.r.i.p.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    Just lost one of my comments to the spammer…

    • Ellen D

      It might come through, Annie. spammer’s a bit slow today.

      It’s getting to the end of the day out here in Michael Jackson land. Unfortunately my Fedex dropoff is near Forest Lawn and my homeward trip takes me past the Encino compound.

      To all the fans who are here. Just leave money.
      Thanks!

  • morris1030

    The bizarre sideshow of Jackson adulation is certainly out of proportion. It’s been 24/7 of Jackson, in an orgy of sentimentalizing,& crying, aon repetitive CNN clips. Yes, Jackson was a fab dancer and he had a great impact creatively in the music biz. A great entertainer.

    But the degree to which we hero worship is sickening.
    This is self serving of Sharpton,etc., and on the cable news it’s Jackson all the time. Give us a break.

    Michael J. had a huge drug habit, booze habit, and facial surgery freak out. His bizarre and wierd
    appearance was frightening; his spending was out of control and clearly he never grew up on any level. He seemed a haunted and unhappy child. His toxic relationship with Dr’s led to an obscene excess of surgery and drugs.

    He is now being cannonized as a saint. Our culture
    is riddled with celebrity hype and we seem impervious to reality in a world that needs to be paid attention to.

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      A sad commentary on the condition of our society and the world.

      So many here don’t want to admit how the music industry has manipulated their emotions and created the dumbing down of our culture with the glorification of sex, drugs and rock and roll. And they are corrupt to the core. It has little to do with creativity and all to do with business and money.

      If you are going to live your life immersed in the fantasy you are fed, then count on more Obamas being able to falsely convince the people of their sainthood, and rightful position as lord and savior.

  • J.J. (The P.U.M.A.)

    Larry, you are so…………. wrong.

    It has been a great relief for millions of us to have a 10 day stretch where the press was swooning over anyone other that Barky.

    • Ferd Berfle

      While you may be correct, I’d prefer they not swoon and actually do their duty, which is to be the fourth estate and be the watchdog over the government that they were intended to be.

  • http://www.thegsblog.com/ zaine_ridling

    Great points, Larry. The man was just another entertainer, loads of talent, but couldn’t keep it going. By the time he made his ‘Bad’ album, he was merely hanging on.

    • justme_kc

      exactly. I asked my daughter-in-law last night (she’s 23) if she knew who Elvis, Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby were and if she could identify a picture and voice for each. She knew them all. 25 years from now, ask a 23 year old who Michael was and they will say, “who?”

      • Ferd Berfle

        I agree with you somewhat. I have albums from all three and for my money, Bing was the best of them. Sinatra didn’t have much of a range and Elvis out-stayed his ability. But I take your point.

        • Ferd Berfle

          I forgot to mention that Bing had perfect pitch. Never a sour note.

          • justme_kc

            ah yes loved them all. saw elvis’ last tour and it was very sad (he couldn’t remember the words!). I wish I hadn’t.

            There are MANY others that can go on that same list… those were just 3 that came to mind.

            • Ferd Berfle

              I got your drift, justme and I concur. Johnny Mathis is another who had perfect pitch as well asTony Bennett. But then, so did singers like Robert Plant, Grace Slick, and Nina Hagen. I love them all.

              • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

                You’ve never heard tapes of Led Zeppelin concerts. Plant’s voice could be awful at times. I have discs of early 1975 that would make you cringe, although he does tend to sing better as he gets warmed up.

                Oh, and did you know that Jimmy Page and a penchant for young teenage girls? He dated a gal named Lori Maddox for years in the 70s. I think she was 13 when they met.

    • trixta

      Jeez, MJ had a career that spanned several decades! Give the guy a break already! Just because he didn’t produce an album every year doesn’t mean he’s a failed artist. Quite frankly, he could have just stopped with THRILLER, and that would have been enough.
      Furthermore, I understand that he has an archive of over 200 (yes, two hundred) unrecorded songs!! Apparently, we’ve only heard a small percentage of his oeuvre.

      I don’t understand how people can dismiss so easily his unique creativity and output. Even if one isn’t a fan, one can surely admit that MJ was a one-of-a kind artist. Moreover, I don’t understand how his life as a human being can be scoffed at just because he was a celebrity. A death is a great loss and a sad event.

  • SJ

    One thing I am happy for is that MJ is bigger than Obama, MJ sure tossed his butt off of the daily tube, honestly I rather watch clips of MJ signing and dancing than listening to Obama or hearing how much of a fashion icon Michelle is.

    Besides the media had to give us this daily MJ has anyone noticed that Obama bombed on his Russia trip, Putin put his to school, Obama looked totally out of his league, so the O is coming home with a mission not accomplished from Russia.

    • http://firefox AnnieCollier

      Yes, I see on Drudge that he has bombed. That, however, is one thing that they actually could have reported about 0fraud0.

  • SAINTIXE56

    fIRSTLT lARRY IS RIGHT TO BE MAD….at the media.
    the media is crazy covering …what… a funeral.
    tHAT THE FAMILY IS CRAZED WITH GRIEF, THAT IS OBVIOUS THAT THOSE PeoPLE ARE ACTUALLY IN ANGUISH IS UNDERSTANDABLE BUT WHAT IS THE MEDIA DOING HERE buzzards over grief ?
    fair enough, the jackon tribe wants a great show for their brother, just like we want the best flowers, and the silk and you name it
    when someone we love die and we are alone facing the nice guy at the funeral parlour, we are ideal prey arent we
    I will not throw aspertions on those poor people
    but all of us, the rets of us dont we have some decency left
    do we need that pharaonic memorial no
    the media undid MJ during that appaling trial and at the end we never knew whether he was innocentor a darn paedophile
    from today I wonder if the MSM attitude to MJ is not a belated remorse…
    they cant erase the past, they have demolished an innocent man- I dont say a mentally stable man, he was clearly much in need of psychiatric help and borderline paedo not crossing the threshold but oh so close, but he never crossed it
    somme people forget the classic innocent until proven guilty
    this was not given to him
    we all should remember this as a mmorial to MJ if he needs one
    innocent until proven guilty

    we are all pharisians, et tu quoque Larry

  • NYCgirl

    Larry,

    Thanks so much for consistently saying publicly what I so often say to my friends and sometimes to myself! When I heard that the MSM was going to offer “continuing coverage” of the Jackson funeral service, I said to a friend, “Who was he? JFK?” It’s beyond belief how far out of control the U.S. media has become. You are right — We get the leaders we deserve. I have been saying that for many years. And we also get the MEDIA we deserve. Meanwhile our troops die in Afghanistan, and the sane people in the world watch No. Korea flirt with nuclear war …

    • tillthen

      Yes, Michael, I hope you are at peace now…just keep you hands off Casper the Ghost.

  • jesslepp

    Michael Jackson sacrificed his life for music and for us. He came to believe that we wanted perfection, and he hurt himself trying to live up to the image. We who build people up have the responsibility of treating them with dignity. It’s like he offered himself up in a stage dive, but then his people dropped him. You who don’t care about these things, go opine on another blog topic. MJ, many of us felt your pain for some time. I had hoped something or someone would rescue you. I hope you will live in peace now. With love…

    • Ferd Berfle

      Michael Jackson sacrificed his life for music and for us.

      OK, I’m going for my hip-waders now and a handkerchief. I will return in a moment.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Here may be the definitive resource on the Michael Jackson hoopla.

    The only category he scored in the top three was: The We Don’t Know the Words to the Song at number 1! – for Don’t Stop (Til You Get Enough)

    Record sales tail behind The Eagles for the all time most sold albums.

    Clarity at last!

    http://www.popculturemadness.com/Music

    • Ferd Berfle

      You are spot on.

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        That’s US sales only, I may point out. The Eagles total worldwide sales are about 120 million, right in line with Englebert Humperdink (also at 120 million worldwide)!

  • Ferd Berfle

    Hey Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo–

    Since you are so into sales, what was the best selling song of all time and who was the artist?

    I will await your response, no matter how long it takes you to come up with it.

    You can join in, Buzz, since you are a master at finding the answer.

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      My initial hunch would be Rudolph the Red Nosed Reinder by Gene Autry.

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        DOH! It’s White Xmas by Bing Crosby! I was in the right season though.

        • Ferd Berfle

          Got you where you live, huh? You wanted to crow about all the Big Macs records MJ sold. Bing sold more of one song than Michael ever will of any of his. And Bing will continue to sell. Do I worship him? Hell no–he was an asshole.

          • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

            ummmmmmm……..ok………

            • Ferd berfle

              At least I have my priorities in order and I’m honest. Bing had a great voice but was an asshole in his personal life and ultimately was just an entertainer, as far as I am concerned. Great voice, vile temper, no one to write home about.

              I understand the difference between the music and the singer. Apparently such discernment is beyond your capability.

              • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

                WTF are you talking about. I explained all this in my first post:

                Say what you will about his talent, the guy still holds the record for biggest selling album of all time-Thriller with 109 million copies sold. The next biggest record is Back in Black at 49 million. The only people/groups to sell more albums than Michael Jackson are The Beatles, Elvis Presley and Bing Crosby.

                And guess what? Lots of artists are fucked up, come from fucked up backgrounds and have done some fucked up stuff. Art museums would be pretty bare if we only cherrised the art of the sane and pleasant.

                I guess by going along with Larry’s reasoning the Beatles, Elvis and Bing Crosby should all be regarded as fucked up drug users and/or who are despicable human beings.

    • Onofre’s arm

      White Christmas sung by Bing Crosby?

  • Astounded

    For some reason my comment was not posted….but I will try again. I say that all this ridiculous idolary is unbelievable. I just can’t believe that people would worship a person who exhibited such questionable actions. If we, as a country, would show such admiration and love for our servicemen and women, it would show the traits of true Americans.
    How can people embark in this atrocious behavior!

    I fully expect the wrath of God to manifest itself because of the apparent blindness of millions of people. I am still in a state of shock, and I fully expect “Sainthood” to be next on the agenda!

  • Ferd Berfle

    Hey Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo–

    What was the longest running album on the billboard charts at 15 years (yes–15 years)?

    • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

      Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd?

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo
        • Ferd Berfle

          Yeah, and I don’t hear you wanting to make a monument of them in spite of the fact that Michael will never have a record on Billboard that long. You have made your hole so I suggest you put down the shovel.

          • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

            ……ok……I guess….? I don’t quite get your point. The Floyd are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And who can ever forget where they were the first time they heard Dark Side of the Moon (and admit it, you’re were stoned!)

            I don’t think I ever stated that we need to build a national monument for Jackson, but the hoopla around is death are worthy for one of the biggest music icons in the world.

            You won’t see a public death like this for music until probably Madonna, Elton John, Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger or Keith Richards dies.

            And who would have thought that Keith Richards would outlive Michael Jackson? Go Keith!

            • Ferd berfle

              You miss the point entirely and I am not going to waste any more time trying to explain it to you. Just remember my admonishment earlier that he was just an entertainer–just as Pink Floyd and Bing Crosby were. Yeah–Just as jefferson Airplane and Jethro Tull and Lou Reed and Au Pairs and The Dead Kennedys and Frank Zappa and Lou Rawls and Tony Bennett and the Mamas and the Papas and The New Christy Minstrels and the Doors and The Doobie Brothers and Robert Palmer and Led Zeppelin and The Who and The Rolling Stones and the Beatles and The Ramones and Duran Duran and The B-52s and Sarah Vaughan and Stevie Ray Vaughan and Oingo Boingo and The Specials and the English Beat and Bob Marley and The Selector and Bob Seger and Deep Purple and Black Sabbath and Black Oak Arkansas and ZZ Top and Heart and Nina Hagen and Siouxsie and the Banshees and Lisa Thiel and Loreena McKennitt and America and Alice Cooper and the Bachman-Turner Overdrive and the Beatles and Badfinger and The Animals and War and Peter Frampton and Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson and the Mothers of Invention and Jean-Luc Ponty and Jeff Beck and Steel Pulse and Marty Balin and Neil Diamond and Rory Gallagher and Midnight Oil and the Motels and Bananarama and the Cars and Todd Rundgren and Iggy Pop and the Sex Pistols and The Clash and The Psychedelic Furs and Tears for Fears and the Thompson Twins and the Gang of Four and Madonna and Sly and the Family Stone and Savoy Brown and Peter, Paul, and Mary and Black Flag and Black Sabbath and Depeche Mode and It’s a Beautiful Day and Ian Dury and the Blockheads and Peter Tosh and Peter Townshend and The Dave Clark Five and the Turtles and the Monkees and Sonny and Cher and The Wandering Five and Roy Clark and Petula Clark and Glen Campbell and Buck Owens and Arlo Guthrie and Woody Guthrie and Captain Beyond and Captain Beefheart and Mike Oldfield and the Pretenders and Magma and Chris Isaak and Humble Pie and Iron Butterfly and the list truly goes on and on. I suppose in your mind none of them matter. To me they do but I don’t spend my every waking hour pining over those lost and those who might be lost later. I have a life.

              • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

                Oops, sorry. I wasn’t home.

                Let’s see: Beat It or Shine on You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd…Beat It or Shine On You Crazy Dia….Beat It or Shine On You Crazy Diamond……

                I think I’ll take Pink Floyd’s song but Steve Lukather’s version…

                Challenge….It’s on iTunes.

              • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

                I suppose in your mind none of them matter.

                Fucking seriously? Is that what you think? That has to be the lamest statement ever.

                Take The Band. Probably one of the most important groups in music, for those in the know. Will it be sad when Robbie Robertson dies? Of course. Will the media do a MJ on him when he dies? Of course not. Does that dimish The Band in the context of American music (well, ok, Canadian music I suppose)? Absolutely not.

                But what sets MJ apart from the Band is that he was a huge international commericial success, with his own importance in the context of danceable pop music. I’m sorry you can’t make that distinction.

              • Senneth

                Ferd, I wish you would have mentioned Deanna Durbin. I loved her films and I loved her voice.

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  • DCMediagirl

    What I hope will happen after all the dust settles is that all the Dr. Feelgoods who had a hand in providing Michael Jackson with the drugs he was taking go to jail. Hollywood is full of sleazebags, who are no different from the pushers on the street corner. When I was an entertainment reporter I was backstage at a concert and saw a dentist pull a fistful of Vicodin out of his pocket and offer it to one of the bandmembers who was complaining of a simple toothache. Luckily this particular guy had his head screwed on straight and refused the pills, telling the doctor he was in NA and couldn’t accept the offer. Mind you, this particular band was a D-list group that was completely broke and hadn’t been popular in about 20 years. I also couldn’t believe how many similarly over the hill musicians were being prescribed Oxycontin for minor ailments. If these shenanigans go on with guys who are way past their prime, imagine how genuine stars are treated. It’s disgraceful.

  • DeniseL

    “For instance, 80 to 90% of Americans believe OJ was guilty of Nicole’s death even though the timeline (the window of opportunity) established that it was impossible for him to have committed the crime.” Absolutely not true.

  • thinker

    I mourn Michael’s death not because the media told me to, but because I loved his music. Even before his death I had at least forty of his songs on my Ipod and I absolutely loved at least thirty-five of them. To me, Michael Jackson was the greatest performer, his songs were brilliant and he is unparalelled as a dancer. Actually I thought that the coverage of MJ since his death was pretty negative, it was almost as if the media wanted to make sure that his image remained tarnished even after death. The coverage only became positive just before his funeral and I beleive that it was fitting for an artist of his caliber. We had similar ad nauseum coverage for the passing of JFK jr. (the son) and Jackie O and neither of them had a body of music that will live on long after they are gone. For those of you who think that MJ’s music will soon be forgotten, you must be kidding – we still listen to Otis Redding Sam Cooke (at least I do).
    I know that millions of others share my feelings and I am a little disappointed that Larry is so dismissive of those feelings. Larry, I used to rely on your wisdom on many subjects, but I must say your rant has shown you to be insensitive and intolerant of views that do not mirror yours.

  • http://deleted pal3

    to all that think MJ was a child abuser…you should watch this you tube video and stop spreading lies. I promise once you finished watching you will feel really ashame of yourself…

    http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_B/threadview?m=tm&bn=2267&tid=18817&mid=18817&tof=10&frt=2

  • VMorris

    Bumping just because it pisses off the Kool Aid Dringing voyeurs who think MJ is some kind of God. He ain’t.

    I’d love to see such adulation for our teachers, fire fighters, police officers and soldiers. You guys have your hero worship and priorities all screwed up.

    FU all.

  • Patience

    I avoided as much of the coverage as I could this past week. I’m just not interested in the sordid details of MJ’s life, death and estate. But I caught bits of the ceremony today and the music was absolutely beautiful. Comments were touching. What I saw was dignified and moving.

    MJ may be the most infamous example of the price children pay who are exploited for our viewing and listening pleasure. Too many of them grow up to be very troubled adults. I hope this man, who was loaded with talent, is resting in peace now.

    • Onofre’s arm

      Well, judging by his talent for having facial and body parts removed, I can only imagine that he is resting in pieces now.

  • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

    Don’t blame it on the sunshine. Don’t blame it on the moonlight. Don’t blame it on the good times.

    Blame it on the boogie.

  • Kay

    It’s understandable that the death of such a huge entertainer would make the news. However, this coverage is sooo overkill. He contributed much to pop culture during the first 20 years or so of his career. But, his fame and fortune allowed him to indulge in eccentricities that non-celebrities can’t because whatever “baggage” or tragedies they endured, they have to work regular jobs. They have to deal with the real world. Whatever his family life was like, at some point he should have stopped indulging himself with “oh poor me, I don’t want to grow up, I’ll continue to act inappropriately even though people keep claiming I’m a pedophile.” Thousands of people experienced far worse lives and had to do it without money. He was a man who hated his features, carved up his face repeatedly and became a drug addict. I am disgusted at the deification. I’m not a hater. I’m just not swayed by theatrics and cool aid drinkers.

  • ACPD

    I heard P Diddy say that the reason BO is in the White House is because MJ laid the groundwork for him….I watched about 5 minutes of the MJ bash and realized it was more of the same as the BO election. It is all about smoke and mirrors and hype. There was more spin of reality and more celebrity gushing than substance. There were the subtle racist undertones and the narcissism of those who fed off of MJ’s talent for years. They just sucked his death dry of everything they could get for themselves–just as they had fed on him during his life. MJ was a great performer; but a god he was NOT; he was tragic and his memorial was awful….

  • Eddie

    imustprotest wrote: “Carly Simon is an artist and the song is her work of art, it’s about the song. For Jackson, the songs were just vehicles to promote him and a way for him to shine, it wasn’t about the song, it was about him.”

    That says it perfectly and wish I had put it that way. The Jackson songs don’t make you think of your life, they’re not universal. Everyone — even the ones not attacking Jews or attacking the press — calls to mind Michael Jackson’s life experience, one the rest of us don’t have.

    It’s all about him. His ‘songs’ are celebrity bulletins and that’s why they won’t rank among the great songs.
    Thank you imustprotest, you nailed it as good as Larry Johnson.

    • thinker

      You do not know what you are saying, have you ever listened to “Heal the World, Man in the Mirror, Were You there for Me or We are the World, to name a few? These are all songs appealing to individual conscience and self reflection. What’s more a lot of the proceeds from these beatiful, poignant and sucessful songs went to funding wortyhy causes. Moreover, you claim his music was not universal is belied by the hail of grief expressed worldwide for his death. Which other artist has managed to acheive that? Only time will tell if his music will live on, but I think that his chart topping status after death is a pretty good indication that his music still lives. Also, we still listen to artists like Sinatra, Marvin Gaye and Sammy Davis Jr, and they were not nearly as sucessful as MJ.
      You may not like MJ but please do not belittle his acheivements which were phenomenal.

      • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

        The problem is that music is an entirely subjective experience. And look at Larry Johnson using Liza Minelli and Frank Sinatra. Who the fuck cares or knows about Liza Minelli anymore?

        The last rock/pop record Larry Johnson bought was probably Pat Boone’s “Isn’t That A Shame”, but others jumped on his opinion like it was fact. And Ferd listing all these “cool” and obscure groups as to somehow show she has some sort of objective knowledge over music.

        It’s quite pathetic really. Say what you will, Jackson had incredible talent, was a gifted songwriter and was an international icon.

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  • cawobeth

    whoa…you are one sick ____. An ignorant, judgemental ____.
    Michael self-absorbed ? Anything but. How dare you jerks continue to judge someone you obviously know very little abotu. You are worse that a tabloid.
    Guess what ? it’s over 7 months later and Michael Joseph jackson is still news ! With more fans. And guess why ? Because thousands upon thousands; maybe millions are standing up to slander of him. We’re not just flighty fans, we are people of integrity. We like stuff like truth, honor, respect, integrity & love. Sounds like things you don’t know much about, so why am I typing ?
     I realize that this is an old article, just don’t wan to leave anyone out.

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  • Scout

    I think I speak for others as well as myself when I say this kind of woman hating cr@p is not welcome around here.