2nd Thread: Michael Jackson, Freak Show RIP

Ok, yet another thread on MJ?

The problem is that music is an entirely subjective experience. And look at Larry Johnson using Liza Minelli and Frank Sinatra. Who the fuck cares or knows about Liza Minelli anymore?

The last rock/pop record Larry Johnson bought was probably Pat Boone’s “Isn’t That A Shame”, but others jumped on his opinion like it was fact. And Ferd listing all these “cool” and obscure groups as to somehow show she has some sort of objective knowledge over music.

It’s quite pathetic really. Say what you will, Jackson had incredible talent, was a gifted songwriter and was an international icon.

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Pls allow me to say you are really annoying with your spamming. You keep repeating yourself on the wonders of MJ as if you would win over converts with your repetitions. You really aren’t, you’re just making yourself annoying, at least change the wording.

“It’s quite pathetic really. Say what you will, Jackson had incredible talent, was a gifted songwriter and was an international icon.”

IMO, MJ is just as obscure musically as all those others you deem “obscure”. What have his sales been in the last 10-15 years? If it weren’t for the curiosity of his ever changing face and color from plastic surgery and his trials on child molestation and infamous prepubescent children sleepovers, he would be a footnote today….just like Liza Minnelli.

It’s a shame that Micahel Jackson died. Just as it is a shame when anyone dies. The coverage is over the top though. Another day or 2 of this and MJ will have reached the status of that other hugely talented icon. Anna Nicole Smith.

Fuck you. I didn’t start the thread, nor did I reopen it and bump it to the top again.

Larry’s post isn’t just about Jackson and an assessment of his talent and his lifestyle. It’s about the choices that both the media and too many Americans make in the idolatry of celebrities as well as the election of a president based primarily on his People magazine-ike appeal and telling people what they want to hear, not on his qualifications, experience, or knowledge.

Michael Jackson was one troubled pup and had a difficult upbringing. His talent for dancing and showmanship was, at its peak, awsome, but I doubt he’ll be remembered as the “King” of any genre of music as he wrote some pretty ordinary music. (Compare “We Are the World” to the John Lennon “Imagine”.)

However, he was quite the philanthropist according to this link:

http://blog.charitynavigator.org/2009/07/michael-jackson-and-philanthropy.html

I neither like nor dislike MJ but this frenzy over his life is beyond rational. It shows what we (the masses) value and that is a very sad commentary. When Nelson Mandela dies do you really think it’s going to even be close to what MJ is getting on press coverage? Hardly. The press is treating MJ as if he were a Martin Luther King and that is what makes all of this coverage so bizarre.

MJ was a great talent but he’s not the only great talent on this planet that deserves a unending standing ovation at their death so why are we going insane over his death and not others? If we are going to go ape-shit, let’s do it for everyone, eh? Nor is being a great talent in the music industry the end-all of memorial celebrations of a life.

As a planet we have to set our values to something with a bit more substance than a popular pop start and create a bit of balance in life. I loved Anna Nicole Smith, I thought she was a good soul with a kind heart even though she had her issues, but I also felt that the frenzy over her death was beyond reasonable.

These media frenzies simply tells us that we live in a day and age of Paris Hilton’s, Britney Spears’, and people that vote for government leaders based upon the fact they they like how they look in underwear or that they want to have a beer with them. Our society has become very small minded and quite foolish and it certainly shows every time I turn on the TV.

Larry

I think it is time to allow this topic and thread to RIP.

I am surprised at the rant about Michael Jackson, it was shallow and unkind, and to compare him to Frank Sinatra as if Sinatra was “Mr.Nice” whats that about? Only over one billion people watched Michael Jackson’s memorial service, but of course you are all knowing, thanks for sizing him up and defining what we should all feel about Michael Jackson. The quality I admired most about Michael Jackson that you failed to mention in your description and probably the most overlooked quality, is that He, unlike you, never had an unkind word to say about anyone. He was a showman, He was a professional and most importantly, He was found “not guilty” and I shall miss him.

You are so obvious as an Obummo brown shirt deputy, out to discredit anyone who doesn’t click their heels to the messiah. It must really annoy the hell out of you to see that reasonable people in this country won’t buy into your malarkey, now or ever.
You may look to MJ as a god and a reason for the ascension of the Fraud, but to many he will never be anything but a popular singer who molested children.

Trite but so true, you can’t legislate respect, it’s got to be earned.

I actually prefered the Jackson 5. Michael only had a few good songs on his own I liked. The Earth Song. Man in the Mirror. Heal the World. Thriller.(this was only because I loved the dance and doing it, plus I thought it was a great video.)

However, Michael’s life was a tragedy. I thought his death would wake his father up, that he would have some remorse for the things he did, it didn’t. We’ll never know the real truth of anything because people go to opposite extremes when it comes to Michael. He was either a man with wings, the last angel on Earth, whom every song he wrote or money he donated was from the goodness of his heart. Or he was a child molesting, drug addict, that just donated money because he couldn’t live with his own guilt. I prefer to see Michael as somewhere in between.

Make that preferred.

MJ did write some good songs so we all have to be honest about that. To try now and place him in a bracket as if he was just another face is wrong, I spent some time listening to some of his music and honestly it is good.

Forget what your personal take of him may be, judge him on the music that he made for it was entertaining and he had to have talent to compose such. As for his eccentric lifestyle history has proven to us that many greats through our time have had some kind of insanity or lived oddly where most of us could not understand.

The man is dead now it matters not what our personal impression of him are, as much as there are many that despised MJ there are many that loved and adored him, and will still speak of him in glowing terms in years to come, but now its time to put it to rest, let the dead sleep and lets hope that he may find eternal peace finally.

Yes MJ was a gifted entertainer, and yes he did a lot of good thing, and a lot of fucked up things too!

One thing proven yesterday at his funeral is that the one thing MJ strived for over the past 11 yrs was to keep his kids OUT of the public eye and in less than 7 days his pathetic pandering family destroyed what MJ at his core lived by in parading his daughter before the world! If his own family disrespects him then those who have other dislikes about MJ are also free to speak!

MJ was and is not the greatest entertainer of all time proven by his complete lack of anything for 15 yrs!

MJ was totally screwed up as a person, blaming his father for his being messed up and yet leaves his kids in his mothers care, who just happens to live with MJ’s dad, total irrational, why not with one of his brothers or sister, proving most likely they are leaches as their careers have proven for the most part except for Janet!

But in the end, he was just an entertainer who brought some enjoyment into peoples lives and what LJ wrote is very true, why isn’t the media digging deeply into those who have an effect on everyones lives daily like the pathetic media POTUS?

Thhe media when MJ was on trial or doing some stupid thing was all down MJ’s throat, in his death, they treat him like a hero, he isn’t!

So what now we have to wait for soething huge to hit for the media to finally crack down on Obama, unfortunately no one then gets a choice to buy a record or not, they are screwed the minute he does something. So LJ is right everyone gets what is deserves because they follow a media that has no objectivity but only agenda to push!

What will be claimed next, that MJ’s death sent records soring in sales and his death changed the economy and berought it out of the depression????

I actually enjoyed the celebrity of Anna Nicole. She seemed to have a sense of humor and enjoying everything. Too bad, she turned so disastrously to drugs, and like MJ, a penchant for deadly facilitators.

My god why do Americans tear down their own daily as some of you do geez, I cant comment on MJ and honestly so many on here are saying their piece can any one of you prove without doubt that what you have before you are hard cold concrete facts?

IS it that some of you are just throwing out what you have heard or read on the media? I don’t know if this man harmed young kids or not, all I have is media stories to go by, I don’t know if he was a drug addict or not, no one has come out and said without doubt this is what they found.

Until such time that the prove is out there to show all the ills of this man, why can we just say rest in peace, what is it we just love the ugly side of everything to discuss?

He was found “not guilty”

So was OJ…but it defies common sense that he didn’t murder two people. I don’t know any parents who would consider sleeping with their own pre-pubescent children alright much less allowing a stranger/celebrity to. Stop justifying and excusing this bizarre person…that’s the stuff that killed him.

It’s pretty common knowledge that Jackson had a vast array of drugs at his residence.

I’ve been wondering if it is legal for CNN to morph into ET for the ratings. Wouldn’t this be an FCC issue?

No, you just spammed it … again.

I believe it is necessary to “out” the public adoration of this guy because starting yesterday, his family and the compliant media began the latest re-invention of Michael Jackson. If people are ever to wake up and stop the insane celebrity worship that helped elect Zero, there needs to be a strong argument and disagreement from the non-deranged whenever these manipulations appear on the national screen.

They knew the curiosity about the little kids would be overwhelming. I felt so sorry for the little girl. In the midst of the revolting circus which attempted to turn him into Jesus Christ, how could she not feel compelled to step forward? For God’s sake, she knows nothing else. They used those kids to sop up more family sympathy. Will they now start planning her career? The Jackson’s are sick. Utterly dysfunctional. In no way do those kids have a chance in hell of a “normal” life with them anymore than they did after they were purchased by their so-called “father” who dragged them around the world with bags over their heads. You can bet that the Family Trust will have plenty of terms for the perpetuation of the fantasy image they want to sell along with disinheritance should anyone not go along with the program.

Although I am sick to death of the whole thing, Larry is right to use his forum to further encourage the “fans” to look closely and honestly at this shallow display and lack of cultural values. I couldn’t believe my ears yesterday when I heard him called our Mozart. Unbelievable.

Take off the blinders and wake up to the harm and damage this does to our society. This isn’t just about you. It’s about money, marketing and fake imagery and nothing about authentic living. This is the same crap that allowed Zero the adulation from the Democrat party and the election.

Spammer, oh spammer…whither goest my post?

Bags full as well as a $100,000 unpaid pharmacy bill. All the while begging his nurse practitioner to find someone who’d administer the anesthetic to “put him to sleep”, no matter what they charged.

Yes, Susan. If Americans persist in swallowing all this crap, living vicariously through fake marketing imagery, authentic living will never be valued. And look where that’s taken us.

The whole thing was a disgusting farce.

AND I AGREE,,lets move on..

R.I.P. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael himself was the best proof of his diseased mind,SJ. Even if it could be argued he was warped by the ambitions of his father, the questions remains: Why are so many drawn to the bizarre and repulsive behavior of those favored with wealth or talent?

He had talent as a boy and young man, but he has produced nothing in years. He never wrote the song he promised in tribute to 9/11 victims and his proposed new tour, according to his own words, would have had nothing new to offer.

If the media had not chosen the intense coverage of his death and memorial services, it is doubtful we would still be having this discussion. So the questions remain: Why the intense coverage of the death of an entertainer who, absent the accusations of pedophilia, would be only a dim memory for those of us old enough to remember he sang as a child and made one really remarkable album and video? And for me, the more important question: Why was he portrayed by BET and those who spoke at his service as a civil rights icon which, to me, dishonors the true heroes like MLK, Rosa Parks, Julian Bond and John Lewis?

Rev Sharpton gave him too much credit as a black entertainer breaking through the race barrier on TV. Bill Cosby, Nat King Cole and Sammy Davis faced bigger challenges. He gave nothing back to his race or to my knowledge ever tried to make a difference for members of his race. On the contrary, he did, as Larry suggested, try to turn himself into a white woman with surgery and bleach.

I have an idea that since Obama’s election as president, everything involving a person of color is being used as a tool to reassure the American people of the validity of that choice even to the point of presenting a faded, damaged man as something he was not. Does a “post-racial” era require amnesia of the past and a rejection of those who suffered in the struggle to bring equality and dignity to African Americans and the elevation of a false God who squandered his natural talent on the alter of self-indulgence?

Mention of Frank Sinatra brings up another interesting point which may not be known to all. Sinatra and other members of the “Rat Pack” refused to perform at or patronize hotels in Las Vegas that wouldn’t allow Sammy Davis a room. Rev Al needs to get a grip.

An interview that I liked from one of the good guys in the know who, apparently like Lisa Marie, DID do what he could in the time that he had to attempt a rescue of Michael’s life. The cocktail of being an abused from a young age growing into a shy man with almost supernatural talent coupled with unbelievably immense, disorienting fame and no guidance on how to handle the world normally when the stone hitting moments came was simply too much to overcome in the end. I just think his career was corrupted by the molestation allegations and it got to a point where he didn’t know where to go or who to turn to.

http: //www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/30/jackson.rabbi/index.html?iref=newssearch

Well, there was no one around to stop him. … People … are not going to interfere with what Michael was trying to do. And what he was trying to do was curb pain. But he had a lot of good in him. He just never overcame this toxic celebrity culture. …

Michael was not a saint. He had great virtue and there was a part of him that unfortunately grew corrupt over time.

Look, Michael brought out some of the worst qualities in all of us — in the media, in good people.

Very few people are around that level of attention. And to be around it … [it]made you feel special. And you could see a lot of good people who started with Michael and little by little the corruption just grew. So even people who were good guys didn’t necessarily remain that way.

If you look at the media circus, we’re not even mourning the death of man anymore. We’re just sort of thinking about an icon. So all of us are conflicted in this if you want to be honest about it.

So, but the good guys? I tried to be one of the good guys. Being a good guy meant if you had to risk your relationship with Michael, that you had to put your relationship on the line — you had to look him in the eye and say, “Michael, you are killing yourself,” or “Michael, you have — there’s no normality in your life,” or “Michael, you have lost spiritual anchor.”

I mean, Campbell, Michael was a very spiritual, religious man. He was not only a Jehovah’s Witness, he was a missionary. … He used to knock on people’s doors selling wash towels. Then suddenly he fell out with the church. So you had this mega attention and nothing to balance and nothing to correct it. Little by little he became more egotistical.

And on the way back I could see Michael was angry at me, although he never had a temper so he wouldn’t show it, but he was withdrawn. So, I said, “What’s wrong?” So, his manager says to me, in front of him, “Shmuley, you want to make Michael accessible and normal. Don’t you understand he’s famous because he’s not normal. And then I understood the full tragedy of his existence. Michael was terrified that the moment he became average that the public would forget him.

And that was the end of our relationship. I knew I could not help him and I — there was no choice but to sever the relationship.

Still lost in the spam room…

All of us lose our objectivity to media messaging at some point in our lives. Larry, for you, this is it. You’ve bought into the media-driven caricature of Michael Jackson that portrays him as just a freak at a carnival, rather than a human being.

Is it possible that even at death, we can show some compassion for a great talent, used to great benefit of the world, for some of the most altruistic causes the singer could dream up. Yes, he was also an abused and tormented soul who spent his life trying to make up for a lost childhood and the crushing isolation of fame. Please can we feel some empathy? Try.

As for the media, they are doing what they always do now. It’s gross. Don’t blame the subject of their latest dogfight – blame the dogs.

Look, in amongst the coverage, for some actual articles of interest. Yes it’s a chore when the media overload churns out so much garbage. Well, that’s our job now – to sift it out looking for reality. This is no different than what we have to do with politics or issues these days. You expect the media to miraculously act differently when a famous star dies? You know better than that.

As for showing the memorial on TV – in my view, nothing could be more fitting. According to Michael Jackson in interviews, he said he felt most comfortable on stage. The tributes were beautiful. If you’ve ever wondered how music is supposed to give meaning to our lives, listen to Stevie Wonder singing at the memorial.

Princess Diana also had a public memorial. Why do we have public memorials for celebrities beloved by the nation and the world? If you honestly don’t know the answer to that question Larry, your heart has been blinded by the poison that today’s media has injected into you. Let all that go.

Do you think Michael Jackson thought of himself as a savior or hero for black people? Or do you think, more likely, that with his death leeches like Al Sharpton are using the event to promote themselves and their agenda?

I saw yesterday’s event as a well produced circus of low lifes (except his children) – all of whom were never there for Jackson or really cared about him. Whom among those people even thought of a drug intervention?

The whole thing made me sick.

hokma, I don’t believe the thought ever crossed his mind. Rev Al put himself right beside Joe Jackson the day after Michale’s death even though this man very likely contributed to the dysfunctional nature of all of his children.

Just saw O’Reilly challenging Sharpton over his reference of Jackson as a Black hero like MLK. Sharpton was weaving and bobbing.

Just read another new low in memorializing Jackson courtesy of Ron Artest the new L.A. Laker:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9760186/Lakers-make-$18M-Artest-deal-official

In case you don’t know him, Ron Artest became famous for going into the stands and beating up Detroit Piston fans and being banned from the game for a long time.

Michael Jackson admitted he “slept” with little boys. He claims this was an innocent practice and caused no harm, but I have a hypothetical question for you, Liz.

If you had a son who visited with, for example, your next door neighbor and you discovered they had slept in the same bed, would you accept this without complaint? Should Michael be given a pass for behavior not acceptable to anyone else simply because of who he was?

IMO your comparison of Diana to Michael Jackson is invalid. Diana used her position to bring attention to those suffering from AIDS and human damage resulting from land mines. Her death was not a result of self-indulgence and her short life reflected her compassion.

If the media had not chosen the intense coverage of his death and memorial services, it is doubtful we would still be having this discussion. So the questions remain: Why the intense coverage of the death of an entertainer who, absent the accusations of pedophilia, would be only a dim memory for those of us old enough to remember he sang as a child and made one really remarkable album and video?

Obviously, the mans reputation would without a doubt have been damaged even if the allegations were false !

My first paragraph was meant to be “constructive criticism” -guess you didn’t take it that way- …no offense meant.

Some folks just can’t handle the truth…sigh…

AnnieCollier–You nailed it. Thanks for your post.

I liked Diana but she should have worn a seatbelt.

I liked Mj also.

The rant on medical drugs here is sanctomonious. Once a drug is invented & available it will be used. Many Ameicans die attached to machines & drugged up.This is an extension on the many dependent on medical drugs whilst alive.

Some of these drugs are amazing & not surprisingly addictive.For a short time I once used one & it was dreamy .Then my prescription finished & backto cold reality. Boohoo.

The rant on medical drugs here is sanctomonious. Once a drug is invented & available it will be used. Many Ameicans die attached to machines & drugged up.This is an extension on the many dependent on medical drugs whilst alive.

Say what?

The fact is that numbers don’t lie. The ratings say 31 million tuned into the Memorial Service. How I, or you feel about that is inconsequential. Had they not televised it, California, in the midst of a gargantuan economic crisis, might have been descended upon like locusts by too many crazed fans. The media gave the public what they wanted. That many of you here disagree, simply makes you irrelevant.

Ultimately, entertainment is a matter of taste. I loathe Sascha Baron Cohen and his so-called humor. Liza Minelli can’t hold a candle to her mother. I could probably cite an entire list of names in the entertainment industry and we might never agree on any of them. And sure, it’s abundantly clear that Americans put emphasis on the wrong things, obsessing way too much on celebrity and celebrity culture.

I’ve noticed a lot of resentment in the air over the attention Michael Jackson’s death received as many grappled with the fact that he was huge, globally huge in a way that Elvis Presley wasn’t due to the pre-Internet era he lived in. Face it, Jackson was a worldwide phenomenon. And it doesn’t matter that some Americans feel the need to control that, the reality is, you can’t. So let it go.

Anyway, it’s over. It will be confined to the tabloids and the entertainment shows by next week if not sooner.

i agree that the media is overdoing it.what’s new there? i say mourn the loss of a talent and let him rest. frankly i am sick of the adulation and the bashing. enough!

Using Diana to legitimize MJ is laughable and for KOOL-Aid drinkers only.

Headline at CNN: “Mayor’s office: Jackson memorial cost L.A. $1.4M”

LMFAO. There had to be well over a billion in net worth of stars there.

The media benefits from the hype because they can go back to the well for ratings and money.

There is no mystery to that.

Apparently, MJ himself understood that fact. Helping to create some of the mystery and freak show labels himself with the tabloids. Selling them stories or photos to help with the stories and keep him in the public eye.

So while people are complaining about the media storm they forget that pursuit of money is behind it all.

Whip up the frenzy…whip up the cash.

Being upset at the money making machine is like pissing in the wind.

How many people on this board do you think have ever bought an MJ album? Probably not as many as you would like to think.

And like it or not, you participated in the money making machine that MJ was by following his molestation cases so closely.

Just turn the channel the next time MJ is discussed, it is really easy to do. Vote with your remote. Don’t participate.

Elizabeth is it possible you are not an objective observer? The accusations of pedophilia because of his behavior with children whether or not he in fact molested any of them was unnatural. Why didn’t he change his behavior in order to protect himself against further allegations?

If he lost his creative muse due to the charges followed by his “reliance” on painkillers, he did little to help himself with his behavior during the trial. He came to court late several times until the judge threatened to hold him in contempt and wore his pjs one day.

It’s understandable how difficult the situation would be for a person with delicate sensibilities, but that doesn’t make it less irresponsible. It also calls into question the character of people around him who allowed him to continue the self-destructive behavior without intervention.

After the trial, he made no effort to modify his bizarre behavior. He continued to make a spectacle every time he appeared in public which makes me believe he either had a serious mental illness or thought himself above the decorum required of the rest of society.

I felt pity for him because I believe he was mentally ill, but I have to wonder when the media decided he was a civil rights hero instead of the pedophile they were convinced he was a few short years ago.

Liza Minelli just won a Tony award in June for her sold-out Broadway show.

Liza also said that all hell is going to break out when MJ’s autopsy comes back.

So all of you will not thank MJ for bringing in much needed money -even this telecst is an EXPORTplus the royalties .

PS The kids are very good looking. Paris did a superb job of public speaking & was very dignified .It seems having a bag over one’s head in public improves the brain.

More people should do it.

The difference between the Michael Jackson case and the OJ case is evidence, there was no “physical evidence” in any of the accusations made by any of the many parents of these children, not one shred.
In the OJ case, there was. There was a consistent pattern of physical abuse with photos of the abuse prior to the murder which the jury chose to ignore.
If you want to condemn a person because you consider him or her to be too different than yourself or as you put it, “bizarre”-if your “gut” tells you that a person is guilty rather than looking at the evidence, then go stand next to Dick Cheney your his kinda gal.

You are welcome to adopt the Burqua anytime.

It wasn’t dignified. It was tragic. It’s bad enough for adults to be thrust in front of a camera when emotions are raw, much less a kid. Leave the poor child alone and don’t even go there about their looks, etc.
They’ll be lucky not to be “turned out” again by their dysfunctional Granny, Aunts and Uncles who will prostitute them in a minute. It’s already coming out that the judge was put off by the family showing up with their hands out trying to get the money. Unless they get negative feedback from the public when they try to use these kids for sympathy and a cash cow, they’ll start very soon.

Last thing I heard, the “fans” had donated $17,000. The bill should go to the estate.

elise, SJ is right on, you and Larry have chosen to pick out pieces to spin that you got from the media. Michael Jackson did not try to make himself into a white woman, He was suffering from a disease called VITILIGO, he also had LUPUS. Both leave large white patches on the skin that spread and take on different shapes. Sun light causes it to regenerate, thats what was up with the umbrella and the surgical masks. It affects your skin,joints and organs causing overwhelming fatigue and arthritis, it also makes the carrier unable to sleep as in INSOMNIA. He originally had facial surgery to correct a broken nose, which caused breathing problems.
According to the Guinness book of world records, no celebrity has given more to charity than Michael Jackson, NO ONE.
Michael Jackson is not Obama, Michael Jackson has worked since He was 8 years old, He did not inherit his money or His fame and He did not cheat or slander anyone to get it, He earned it the old fashion way, with hard work and talent in a very tough profession. His record sales speak for itself.
He was found NOT guilty and His accuser was charged with welfare fraud, those are the facts, not my opinion.
His children had their faces covered in public at the request of their MOTHER, she feared they would be kidnapped.
Don’t fault Him for what the media says, the media said a lot of things about Hillary that we knew not to be true and withheld a lot of information that could have brought clarity to some misconceptions about her, and the same is true for Michael Jackson.

He was found “not guilty”

So was OJ…but it defies common sense that he didn’t murder two people”.
The standard is evidence to prove or disprove not “it defies common sense”. If you had carefully watched the trial as I did you would know that the evidence showed that due to the timeline (window of opportunity) for the murders, it was physically impossible for OJ to have committed this crime. We are a pitiful people because due to the media, prosecutors, cops, etc 80 to 90% of the people in this country BELIEVE with no corresponding evidence that OJ was guilty. No wonder we fall prey to every lie (WMDs, communist conspiracy, axis of evil) we have been told through the years by politicians, presidents, and the media and we will continue to do so.

Annie- “Lack of cultural values” “authentic living” “normal”, how the hell do you make your living sweetie, and what values would those be- yours? You’ve done nothing but spew venom and hatred and misinformation to further the medias goals- that’s really a healthy environment for children.
How many children have you raised please do enlighten the rest of us mothers, because as a mother of 5 children what I witnessed was a child whose heart was broken because the one person that made her feel safe was gone and gone forever.
How many funerals have you attended and do share the benchmark in the world of “cultural values” and “authentic living” and “normal” what that kind of funeral for a celebrity looks like? Let me guess… none and none.
What, you think Mozart scrambled his own eggs?

“It’s ALREADY COMING OUT that the judge was put off” really… when did you speak to this judge, was it an ANNIE EXCLUSIVE, and the children will soon be prostitutes…another ANNIE EXCLUSIVE..and all it will take to prevent all of this is negative feedback from the public..that’s all???
And the entire Jackson family is dysfunctional another ANNIE EXCLUSIVE from DR.?
Annie I think your projecting- get some help.

Elise. That is what is wrong in our society today. You “believe” he was mentally ill. Are you a licensed psycharist? I am a trained chemist and we know that beliefs are emotiional feelings that are not based on facts. Beliefs can be wrong. Proof and facts are what matter.

MJ=MKULTRA!

Thank you for your most welcomed comment, you are so right, MJ was a kind and loving man, he helped so many people, sUch as Brain White who had AIDS.
No one came out to support that little boy who was dying, except MJ. This is just one of the many, many wonderful things he did for people of the world.. So stop the B/S ABOUT HIM AND LET R.I.P..
SHAME ON YOU LARRY.

We’ll see what happens when two things take place:

1) the final toxicology and autopsy reports are released.

2) when the temporary custody order giving Grandma Jackson that right expires.

I put my money on Jackson family and media exploitation of both events – it’s all they know.

What will you say when the first special comes out as a means for the Jackson’s to day drugs are bad and make money doing it? Barbara Walters is already practicing in her dressing room. Or, when Al Sharpton gets media time to say that the courts of California are being racist if Grandma doesn’t get extended custody?

The operative word is EXPLOITATION. Watch all the idol worshippers be dumb enough to buy it, hook…line…and…sinker…

Comment by razzo | 2009-07-08 14:35:55

I am surprised at the rant about Michael Jackson, it was shallow and unkind, and to compare him to Frank Sinatra as if Sinatra was “Mr.Nice” whats that about? Only over one billion people watched Michael Jackson’s memorial service, but of course you are all knowing, thanks for sizing him up and defining what we should all feel about Michael Jackson. The quality I admired most about Michael Jackson that you failed to mention in your description and probably the most overlooked quality, is that He, unlike you, never had an unkind word to say about anyone. He was a showman, He was a professional and most importantly, He was found “not guilty” and I shall miss him. Comment by

mary | 2009-07-09 13:49:20

Thank you for your most welcomed comment, you are so right, MJ was a kind and loving man, he helped so many people, sUch as Brain White who had AIDS.
No one came out to support that little boy who was dying, except MJ. This is just one of the many, many wonderful things he did for people of the world.. So stop the B/S ABOUT HIM AND LET R.I.P..
SHAME ON YOU LARRY.

We’ll see what happens when two things take place:

1) the final toxicology and autopsy reports are released.

2) when the temporary custody order giving Grandma Jackson that right expires.

I put my money on Jackson family and media exploitation of both events – it’s all they know.

What will you say when the first special comes out as a means for the Jackson’s to say drugs are bad and make money doing it? Barbara Walters is already practicing in her dressing room. Or, when Al Sharpton gets media time to say that the courts of California are being racist if Grandma doesn’t get extended custody?

The operative word is EXPLOITATION. Watch all the idol worshippers be dumb enough to buy it, hook…line…and…sinker…

Thanks razzo. I have a neice who has virtilio and a very dear friend who had lupus. Michael’s doctor confirmed on Larry King last night that Michael had both deseases and explained the treatment he used for the virtilio. My friend died from lupus around the age of 50 also. I don’t think there is a cure for lupus either. The disease makes it difficult to swallow, eat without pain, and food does not digest well. I wonder sometimes did the lupus contribute more to Michael’s death.

You are so right. In the absence of real evidence to the contrary, he was a fantastic entertainer and a good, kind man who did a lot of good for people around the world. I cannot speak for anyone else, but I love his music and I will be dancing, swaying and singing along to his music for years to come — and so will my nine-year old who along with her entire class, loves his music without any prodding from me.

On the contrary the notion that Diana did more or contributed more to society than Michael is ludicrous.

Ludicrous? How?

I think you are adding weight to Larry’s post that just isn’t there.

Look, MJ was an iconic pop figure that millions of American’s grew up listening to. He was a dynamic force blessed with an out of this world talent.

I think the memorial service had 30+ million viewers in the Untied States alone. What makes anyone think that the networks won’t fall over themselves to get to those numbers? They would cover the funeral of road kill if the numbers were right.

I believe if you dig just a bit Larry you will find that MJ made more than his share of charitable contributions. At any rate, I’m not sure why you feel the need to judge his contributions to charity or deem his life worthy or unworthy.

I appreciate Mr. Jackson’s talents but I must admit to being raised on Elvis so my appreciation has been at arms length. Still, it’s been startling to see the attacks on MJ since his death, most instigated by people that never knew him, have no special knowledge, and haven’t done the research needed to have an opinion on anything except his singing and dancing. Don’t worry there will be thousands of people condemning MJ in the years ahead. Why join in with that crowd?

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I’m trying to figure out how Michael Jackson, drug addict and suspected pedophile, is handed babies who are biologically not his, raises them in total isolation. Shut off from other children. . .
Doesn’t anyone find this suspect?

Even if there was nothing sexual involved, why was a drug addict allowed to adopt and raise children in a way, that at the LEAST makes them social freaks.

This man has stunted his children socially for life. They have lost invaluable formative years.

What agencies and physicians and adults looked the other way, knowing that this was going on?

Standard, I could not agree with you more. Yes, the babies were handed over to him, but not before he had them bred to his liking! WTF????

Buzzy, how sad that everything you say is so true. Getting the visual on Walters, the J Family, and Sharpton – LMFAO.

Yes, Queenie, MJ’s tragic life was the result of a CIA conspiracy…and don’t forget George Bush…actually, both GBs were involved, dontchya know!

So now you have the DNA of those children? Paris has amazing eyes.

Where did they come from & are there any more to be had from there ?

Are they half black ?

If so mixed race kids will be all the rage in the petri dishes of California.

There is a great Canadian Blog called “small dead animals” on it was a snippet from Al Sharpton’s radio show, one of his callers “put the idea out there” that maybe Sarah Palin had something to do with Micheal Jacksons death and that is why she resigned. And he basically said it could be possible.

Yeah, I agree…that is when Al Sharpton shuts his freakin’ mouth. Yechhh!

Well let’s see . . . .Princes Diana married into the royal family, she adopted two causes, landmines and AIDS and she visited landmine sites and was the first public figure (maybe) to hold an AIDS striken child publicly. She was also very stylish, was loved by all and generated a lot of interest in the royal clan. Great acheivements no doubt.
Michael Jackson’s musical career spanned 45 years, even as a child his music was appealing to a whole generation. He went on to a solo career in which he toppled several records in the music industry. He reinvented the music video and to date no one has topped his success in this arena. He also created or reinvented a slew of dance moves and have made them his own. He is known and treasured worldwide, and tickets to his concerts are sold out within minutes. He can write, dance, sing, and produce his performances were phenomenal. he has also used his talent and substantial resources and personal wealth for the good of others. he spearheaded the “We are the World Project” — he co-wrote and helped to produce the song in response to hunger in Africa, and the proceeds $200,000,000 went to providing food for Africa. He also wrote and video graphed “Earth Song” about the destruction of the planet long before Al Gore and others decided that it was a worthy cause. He has also given hundreds of millions of dollars of his personal wealth to charity and his generosity has not be equalled or surpassed by any other celbrity living or dead. He has also visited many, many hospitals and brought joy to the sick and disabled both in America and throughout the world.
Even if you ignore his philantropy and humanitarian efforts — he made great music (over 50 hit songs, I’s sure) and had his own individual style that cannot be duplicated. Great music never dies and this is reason enough to celebrate his life.
These are just some of the reasons why he did more and contributed more to society than Princess Di, plus he has a body of music that one can always listen to.
Sorry about the length of this post, but I am so troubled by this effort to minimise Michael Jackson’s accomplishments in death.

Micahel Jackson used his postion, talent and wealth to bring attention to and do something about world hunger (“We are the World” and “Heal the World”) and the destruction of the planet (“Earth Song”), and you are invited to check the guiness Book of World Records for some of his other altrustic efforts.

This just in: Interview with Joe Jackson (the guy left out of the will).

“Their grandmother — Katherine — and I” should raise them, he said. “Yes, there’s no one else to do what we can do for them. We should keep them all together and then make them happy, feed ‘em like they’re supposed to be fed, and let them get rest, plenty of sleep and grow up to be strong Jacksons.”

Joe Jackson, famous for catapulting his sons into superstardom via the Jackson 5, said he already sees signs Michael Jackson’s children may someday follow in their father’s fast-moving footsteps.

“I don’t know — I keep watching Paris,” Joe Jackson said. “She … wants to do something.”

“And as far as I can see, well, they say Blanket, he can really dance,” he added.

WOW! Joe, already is salivating over the Jackson Three. This creep needs to be stopped and no Jackson family member should get within ten feet of those poor kids.

Attorney’s who were at the court, reported that when Catherine Jackson showed up to get control of the money even before the funeral, the judge refused her request and put a stop to it immediately. And that is what happened.

So keep up your fantasies Bud. I’m sure you’ll have a fun life at the theme park. BTW, you did know that Sarah Palin “had something to do with Michael’s death” didn’t you? Was that you on the Rev. Al show?

They are not Michael Jackson’s biological children. Mom #1 was paid $8million (we’re not sure if the deal was ever concluded…he was making payments).

So regardless of Grampa Joe’s proclamation that Blanket can dance and Paris wants to “do something”, no DNA there. No, not from sperm. He’s already planning on turning them out at 11 and 6. He’s a ghoul. Keep Joe Jackson away from the kids.

Wasn’t it sad that the same people, family
and so called life time friends who were singing him praises at the Staples Center were nowhere to be found when this tortured soul was slowly dying from drug addiction and anorexia. Where was everybody when he was raising 3 small children in isolation while under the influence? The family have all admitted that they were aware of poor Micheal’s drug abuse but really never took a strong stand to save him or his children from this self-destructive behavior. God only knows what these children have witnessed. There is not an addict around who willingly agrees to go for help. Addiction is a life threatening disease. The addict usually isolates, hides his addiction, manipulates people to get his own needs met and consequently has very poor judgment and impaired thought processes. Why didn’t somebody go before a judge to have him admitted to rehab under court order? Why didn’t somebody remove his children which probably would have motivated him to get help? We as a society are all culpable for his tragic demise. We idolized him for his tremendous talent but failed to recognize that he was still just a human being who was desperate for someone to notice that he was more than just a meal ticket or a paycheck. What a sad ending. I hope he has found eternal happiness and joy!

Those of you who hold MJ in low esteem take heart, the disrespect being accorded to his mortal remains so as to maximize commerical gain to his heirs and partners make “A Weekend With Bernie” look like “Snow White.”
After executing a multi-hearse deception plan out of Staples that looked like the Michael CAine version of “The Italian Job,” the late Michael Jackson now resides in the walk in reefer at the Neverland kitchen. He’s awaiting permission from Santa Barbara County to be interred at Neverland, principally so that his heirs and the co-owner of Neverland can turn it into Graceland West.
In death, just as in life, dignity will always be the first casualty with Jackson.

Well, Wisewoman, that all might be true but MJ set himself up for ridicule by how he behaved in this world. He set himself up to be accused of child molestation … and whether he did it or not is quite pointless to discuss … this strange setup happened more than once. Poor MJ didn’t have the sense to say to himself: “Oh, maybe I should learn from this past experience. Maybe sleeping with other folks kids as an adult is not a good idea!” So clinically he was not mentally ill but frankly Scarlet I don’t care about his psychiatric status. He was odd and didn’t think things out very rationally and you don’t need a shrink to figure that out. (If you do, you are in great trouble.) Maybe if MJ had spent more time working on his own internal “wise woman” and a bit less on his external “white woman” he would still be alive today and doing what he supposedly loved: creating music.

Yes, Retired. This is exactly what many of us knew and said (to the screams of the deluded) the Jackson’s would do based on their MO.

If there’s any sympathy for Michael Jackson it’s that he was unlucky enough to be raised with these awful abusive stage parents. However, he had all the resources in the world to get help and he chose a crazed path. I can feel sorry for him without condoning his choices. The worst part is that they are poised to repeat the same crime with the 3 kids he bought. Can anyone imagine the life they had with an incoherent, drug addled, utterly sick owner? Always home schooled, their playmates the Jackson “cousins”…God knows what their view of “normal” is. People have to be vocal and loud about those children being protected from the Jacksons. Sounds like they are working a new deal with Debbie since the custody hearing has just been postponed. If she steps aside, it’ll be because they promised to finish paying her off. Sick, sick, sick.

Your assumptions about me and my life are laughable. I am a mother of two self-sufficient, sober, drug free, talented, happy, prosperous adult children and two grandchildren who have the same values and work ethic as their parents.

You reminded us that Michael Jackson worked and supported himself at age 8. Actually age 5. Do you not see anything wrong in that?

I am outraged over the attempted re-creation by the media and his fans into something he was not…condoning all the weirdness and justifying it as well. It is not normal to live in a house with IV bags of illegal prescription drugs as well as hundreds of illegally obtained pills strewn all over the room. Do you believe he owned any of his emotions with all the drugs he took? Is that what you call authentic?

BTW, we weren’t talking about eggs but Michael Jackson didn’t do his own cooking either. And he’s not and never will be in the same league with any of the great composers.

Oh, yes. Funerals. Yes I have been to funerals. Three in the past two weeks of 30 year friends in their 80′s as a matter of fact; people who lived productive, creative, honorable lives and didn’t squander their talents and lives ODing on drugs.

a twisted clown ,so perfict

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