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		<title>By: Sarah Palin: Not Going Gently Into That Good Night &#124; Hillary or Bust</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27762/desperate-for-a-new-movement/#comment-1229438</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Palin: Not Going Gently Into That Good Night &#124; Hillary or Bust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PS No Quarter has a new piece on being desperate for a new women&#8217;s movement. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: trixta</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27762/desperate-for-a-new-movement/#comment-1229367</link>
		<dc:creator>trixta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PM, Barry must be a troll out of the 19th century and not worthy of comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PM, Barry must be a troll out of the 19th century and not worthy of comment.</p>
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		<title>By: arran</title>
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		<dc:creator>arran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the feminism war against men.&quot;  You need to raise that consciousness, but few in the majority ever do any reading or thinking about what women are objecting to as it doesn&#039;t matter to them as long as the status quo is maintained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the feminism war against men.&#8221;  You need to raise that consciousness, but few in the majority ever do any reading or thinking about what women are objecting to as it doesn&#8217;t matter to them as long as the status quo is maintained.</p>
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		<title>By: pm317</title>
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		<dc:creator>pm317</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say it for me, Astra.</description>
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		<title>By: Astra14</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27762/desperate-for-a-new-movement/#comment-1229196</link>
		<dc:creator>Astra14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you have to said to Barry, pm317, is that marriage is a partnership.  It works very well when there is no leader and no follower (the follower is usually the one who gets trampled and spends their married life miserable - and is very much going to take the marriage to divorce court).

There are plenty of marriages that work as a partnership, when the relationship is based on RESPECT. Feminism did not destroy marriage - it may have just changed the dynamic to two people having to learn to work together for what is best for the family. 

It&#039;s those people who are control-freaks who are the ones who are more inclined to bring about the end of the marriages - it could be the husband or the wife in those cases.  Feminism is NOT about control, but about equality, which is totally different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have to said to Barry, pm317, is that marriage is a partnership.  It works very well when there is no leader and no follower (the follower is usually the one who gets trampled and spends their married life miserable &#8211; and is very much going to take the marriage to divorce court).</p>
<p>There are plenty of marriages that work as a partnership, when the relationship is based on RESPECT. Feminism did not destroy marriage &#8211; it may have just changed the dynamic to two people having to learn to work together for what is best for the family. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s those people who are control-freaks who are the ones who are more inclined to bring about the end of the marriages &#8211; it could be the husband or the wife in those cases.  Feminism is NOT about control, but about equality, which is totally different.</p>
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		<title>By: Katmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting on the hip waders on that one.(anyone else need a pair?) What a large load.

Simply, neither husband nor wife feels an issue of lead or follow, or dissolution of marriage due to same. Equality as in respect has a natural ebb and flow to it; which like the tide cannot be forced, nor presumed, rather nourished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting on the hip waders on that one.(anyone else need a pair?) What a large load.</p>
<p>Simply, neither husband nor wife feels an issue of lead or follow, or dissolution of marriage due to same. Equality as in respect has a natural ebb and flow to it; which like the tide cannot be forced, nor presumed, rather nourished.</p>
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		<title>By: pm317</title>
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		<dc:creator>pm317</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a load of cxxx. Can&#039;t disagree with you more and I don&#039;t even know where to begin. All I can say is with men (Barry) like you and the younger generation of twits, we are doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of cxxx. Can&#8217;t disagree with you more and I don&#8217;t even know where to begin. All I can say is with men (Barry) like you and the younger generation of twits, we are doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry 0351</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry 0351</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feminism has made decision making inside the marriage between Husbands and wives impossible.
There is no one in charge in todays marriage there is just two people at odds going in different directions for different reasons.
This results in nothing getting done and frustration leads to divorce.
someone has to be in charge &quot;lead&quot;
someone has to support and back up the decisions made &quot;follow&quot;
OR
get a divorce &quot;get out of the way&quot;
lead, follow or get out of the way.
women have been taught to stand up for womens rights even at the expense of the family, marriage and children simply to prevent Men from being in charge.
If a woman can handle the job this is fine but when a woman cannot lead and will not follow for feminist agenda then divorce is the only way this is the reason for single mother&#039;s and their problems.
Marriage has become a casualty of the feminism war against men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminism has made decision making inside the marriage between Husbands and wives impossible.<br />
There is no one in charge in todays marriage there is just two people at odds going in different directions for different reasons.<br />
This results in nothing getting done and frustration leads to divorce.<br />
someone has to be in charge &#8220;lead&#8221;<br />
someone has to support and back up the decisions made &#8220;follow&#8221;<br />
OR<br />
get a divorce &#8220;get out of the way&#8221;<br />
lead, follow or get out of the way.<br />
women have been taught to stand up for womens rights even at the expense of the family, marriage and children simply to prevent Men from being in charge.<br />
If a woman can handle the job this is fine but when a woman cannot lead and will not follow for feminist agenda then divorce is the only way this is the reason for single mother&#8217;s and their problems.<br />
Marriage has become a casualty of the feminism war against men.</p>
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		<title>By: pm317</title>
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		<dc:creator>pm317</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was and thankfully MIL didn&#039;t hear it or see it. It was all noisy and crowded. My husband was standing next to me and I don&#039;t think he noticed it (I don&#039;t remember sharing this with him either for fear that it will hurt him).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was and thankfully MIL didn&#8217;t hear it or see it. It was all noisy and crowded. My husband was standing next to me and I don&#8217;t think he noticed it (I don&#8217;t remember sharing this with him either for fear that it will hurt him).</p>
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		<title>By: Katmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I may have opened my mouth in that situation; boorish behavior and never any repercussions; it happens often and with much glee. I have never had an issue with what someone wants to do to themselves, but when billion dollar empires are built around trying to stylize the average___(fill in the blank) I feel the bile rising in my throat.

I recall the images put forth and their demise; the obvious need to change products ( remember Sambo&#039;s restaurant , and the packaging on Aunt Jamima syrup, I do) Better yet, cigar store Indians, and lamp holding figurines; I could go on. The marketing isn&#039;t subtle now, it is accepted. Therein lies the difference. Seems many people are willing to opt for that look alike makeover, vs. the different ways our bodies are made up. I guess it&#039;s all about creating stepford people these days, men, women and gender identifications alike. Horrible. Logan&#039;s Run anyone? I suppose I am long overdue for &quot;Carnivale&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I may have opened my mouth in that situation; boorish behavior and never any repercussions; it happens often and with much glee. I have never had an issue with what someone wants to do to themselves, but when billion dollar empires are built around trying to stylize the average___(fill in the blank) I feel the bile rising in my throat.</p>
<p>I recall the images put forth and their demise; the obvious need to change products ( remember Sambo&#8217;s restaurant , and the packaging on Aunt Jamima syrup, I do) Better yet, cigar store Indians, and lamp holding figurines; I could go on. The marketing isn&#8217;t subtle now, it is accepted. Therein lies the difference. Seems many people are willing to opt for that look alike makeover, vs. the different ways our bodies are made up. I guess it&#8217;s all about creating stepford people these days, men, women and gender identifications alike. Horrible. Logan&#8217;s Run anyone? I suppose I am long overdue for &#8220;Carnivale&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;we were standing next to a group of 20-30 year-olds and their parents. The mom and the young women and men were looking at my MIL and making jokes about how she is a prime target for an “Extreme Makeover&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow. That&#039;s outrageous. I cannot even imagine how hurtful that must have been for your MIL. A &quot;mom&quot; encouraging such rude, cruel, and boorish behavior in her children and their friends is utterly incomprehensible to me. 

I can&#039;t stand bullies. And, I&#039;m apt to get myself involved when I see bullying. It must have been very hard for you not to say anything; you must have been thinking of your MIL&#039;s feelings...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>we were standing next to a group of 20-30 year-olds and their parents. The mom and the young women and men were looking at my MIL and making jokes about how she is a prime target for an “Extreme Makeover</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow. That&#8217;s outrageous. I cannot even imagine how hurtful that must have been for your MIL. A &#8220;mom&#8221; encouraging such rude, cruel, and boorish behavior in her children and their friends is utterly incomprehensible to me. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stand bullies. And, I&#8217;m apt to get myself involved when I see bullying. It must have been very hard for you not to say anything; you must have been thinking of your MIL&#8217;s feelings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pm317</title>
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		<dc:creator>pm317</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you mean by not wanting to accept the human package. I have a real life example for you -- we were on the ferry back from Martha&#039;s vineyard and it was very crowded. My in-laws were with us. They were sitting on a bench and we were standing next to a group of 20-30 year-olds and their parents. The mom and the young women and men were looking at my MIL and making jokes about how she is a prime target for an &quot;Extreme Makeover&quot;, the show. I wanted to scream &quot;leave her alone&quot;. She is a 70+ year-old grandma happy with herself and her life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean by not wanting to accept the human package. I have a real life example for you &#8212; we were on the ferry back from Martha&#8217;s vineyard and it was very crowded. My in-laws were with us. They were sitting on a bench and we were standing next to a group of 20-30 year-olds and their parents. The mom and the young women and men were looking at my MIL and making jokes about how she is a prime target for an &#8220;Extreme Makeover&#8221;, the show. I wanted to scream &#8220;leave her alone&#8221;. She is a 70+ year-old grandma happy with herself and her life.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no personal inclination to join &quot;women&#039;s groups&quot; either; being a complete contrarian, I don&#039;t like to be a part of any group. I find that the moment you&#039;re a part of a group, your opinions become constrained by group norms, forcing you into a box. I&#039;ve always resisted that sort of thing. It&#039;s just a personal quirk, I guess. 

NOW and other groups have failed completely, and I rejected them all a long time ago. I have now sworn off any political donations as well. I belong to no political party. 

I think feminism is dead as a movement, but that doesn&#039;t mean that the idea of feminism is dead; that doesn&#039;t mean women&#039;s rights are finished; it could even mean an opportunity for women--at least those who, like Justice Ginsburg, &lt;strong&gt;&quot;get it.&quot; &lt;/strong&gt;

Those who &quot;get it&quot; will protect their individualism, their independence of mind, and set goals for themselves as they grow. Meeting those goals is really all they need in order to become women of substance, like Sonia Sotomayor, Hillary Clinton, Justice Ginsburg and others. 

Those who limit themselves to &quot;Kos-ism&quot; are fools; so what, there are a lot of fools in this world. Let them waste a life, it&#039;s their choice. Why should women care about other women who choose to waste their independence of spirit, of mind, or to limit their choices?

That&#039;s my question: Why should women care about other women, just because they&#039;re women? Why should anyone care about women at Daily Kos who choose to limit their minds, become part of the mob mentality there? Or &lt;strong&gt;anywhere &lt;/strong&gt;for that matter. 

Hypocrisy runs rampant: 

&lt;strong&gt;The left is just as guilty as the right--look at what happened from the left attacking Palin&#039;s daughters; now, the Freepers are attacking Obama&#039;s 11-year-old daughter viciously, just for wearing a peace sign on a t-shirt! &lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;The victims are young girls&lt;/strong&gt;; feminists don&#039;t even give a shit about that. It&#039;s all about &quot;their side&quot; instead of being about supporting principles like &quot;free speech,&quot; or &quot;independence of mind&quot; or &quot;individualism.&quot; 

Being part of a herd is constraining. Maybe younger women see it from that perspective. As long as women stick together in a herd, it&#039;s harder to stand out for excellence. If one has excellence, being part of a herd is a waste of time. 

Just some thoughts on it, thanks for the blog post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no personal inclination to join &#8220;women&#8217;s groups&#8221; either; being a complete contrarian, I don&#8217;t like to be a part of any group. I find that the moment you&#8217;re a part of a group, your opinions become constrained by group norms, forcing you into a box. I&#8217;ve always resisted that sort of thing. It&#8217;s just a personal quirk, I guess. </p>
<p>NOW and other groups have failed completely, and I rejected them all a long time ago. I have now sworn off any political donations as well. I belong to no political party. </p>
<p>I think feminism is dead as a movement, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that the idea of feminism is dead; that doesn&#8217;t mean women&#8217;s rights are finished; it could even mean an opportunity for women&#8211;at least those who, like Justice Ginsburg, <strong>&#8220;get it.&#8221; </strong></p>
<p>Those who &#8220;get it&#8221; will protect their individualism, their independence of mind, and set goals for themselves as they grow. Meeting those goals is really all they need in order to become women of substance, like Sonia Sotomayor, Hillary Clinton, Justice Ginsburg and others. </p>
<p>Those who limit themselves to &#8220;Kos-ism&#8221; are fools; so what, there are a lot of fools in this world. Let them waste a life, it&#8217;s their choice. Why should women care about other women who choose to waste their independence of spirit, of mind, or to limit their choices?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my question: Why should women care about other women, just because they&#8217;re women? Why should anyone care about women at Daily Kos who choose to limit their minds, become part of the mob mentality there? Or <strong>anywhere </strong>for that matter. </p>
<p>Hypocrisy runs rampant: </p>
<p><strong>The left is just as guilty as the right&#8211;look at what happened from the left attacking Palin&#8217;s daughters; now, the Freepers are attacking Obama&#8217;s 11-year-old daughter viciously, just for wearing a peace sign on a t-shirt! </strong></p>
<p><strong>The victims are young girls</strong>; feminists don&#8217;t even give a shit about that. It&#8217;s all about &#8220;their side&#8221; instead of being about supporting principles like &#8220;free speech,&#8221; or &#8220;independence of mind&#8221; or &#8220;individualism.&#8221; </p>
<p>Being part of a herd is constraining. Maybe younger women see it from that perspective. As long as women stick together in a herd, it&#8217;s harder to stand out for excellence. If one has excellence, being part of a herd is a waste of time. </p>
<p>Just some thoughts on it, thanks for the blog post.</p>
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		<title>By: pm317</title>
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		<dc:creator>pm317</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. Higher ed offers no guarantee and there will still be problems. I have my own story to vouch for it. And what they did about science and math is biting their asses now because of not enough SMT graduates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. Higher ed offers no guarantee and there will still be problems. I have my own story to vouch for it. And what they did about science and math is biting their asses now because of not enough SMT graduates.</p>
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		<title>By: Katmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the rinse spam cycle?</description>
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