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		<title>By: Barry 0351</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry 0351</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is more racist than the native American indian, former slave populations come next, religious nuts are third, asians come fourth, as for Latino&#039;s does the term &quot;La Raza&quot; mean anything to you? 
White folks are racist but know it&#039;s wrong yet cannot seem to understand that even should every white stop being racist the other races will still hate them.
Racism = stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is more racist than the native American indian, former slave populations come next, religious nuts are third, asians come fourth, as for Latino&#8217;s does the term &#8220;La Raza&#8221; mean anything to you?<br />
White folks are racist but know it&#8217;s wrong yet cannot seem to understand that even should every white stop being racist the other races will still hate them.<br />
Racism = stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry 0351</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27862/a-house-divided/#comment-1229168</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry 0351</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is more racist than the native Ameican indian, former slave populations come next, religious nuts are third, asians come fourth, as for Latino&#039;s does the term &quot;La Raza&quot; mean anything to you? 
White folks are racist but know it&#039;s wrong yet cannot seem to understand that even should every white stop being racist the other races will still hate them.
Racism = stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is more racist than the native Ameican indian, former slave populations come next, religious nuts are third, asians come fourth, as for Latino&#8217;s does the term &#8220;La Raza&#8221; mean anything to you?<br />
White folks are racist but know it&#8217;s wrong yet cannot seem to understand that even should every white stop being racist the other races will still hate them.<br />
Racism = stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: JozefAL</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27862/a-house-divided/#comment-1228980</link>
		<dc:creator>JozefAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s such bull.  When you have a community that only makes up about 10% of the total population, but 70% of them vote in one manner or the other, that IS enough to help determine an election.
Looking at the numbers:
Whites made up 63% of the electorate; Hispanics, 18%; African-Americans, 10%; Asians, 6%; and others, 3%.
By Y/N percentage (an &quot;N&quot; being in favor of keeping same-sex marriage):  Whites voted 49/51; Hispanics, 53/47; African-Americans, 70/30; Asians, 49/51; and others, 51/49.
Taking those numbers and extrapolating to a sample base of 10,000 voters, we get
6300 White voters (3087 Yes; 3213 No)
1800 Hispanic voters (954 Yes; 846 No)
1000 African-American voters (700 Yes; 300 No)
600 Asian voters (294 Yes; 306 No)
300 &quot;Other&quot; voters (151 Yes; 149 No)

These figures give us a total of 5186 voting Yes and 4814 voting No--a margin of difference of merely 372 votes.  IF the African-American vote had been split with the same level as the Hispanic vote (53/47), the African-American vote would&#039;ve been 530 Yes and 470 No--for a grand total of 5016 Yes and 4984 No (which would&#039;ve still resulted in an overturning of same-sex marriage).  NOW, let&#039;s consider the African-American vote had been split the same as the White vote (49/51); that would&#039;ve resulted in an African-American vote going 490 Yes and 510 No--for a grand total of 4976 Yes and 5024 No (resulting in the continued legality of same-sex marriage in California).  If the African-American vote had been the same as the &quot;Other&quot; (51/49), we&#039;d have an African-American vote of 510 Yes to 490 No--for a grand total of 4996 Yes and 5004 No (again, resulting in the continued legality of same-sex marriage).
The simple fact is that EVERY SINGLE VOTE COUNTS in any election.  More importantly, when any single bloc of voters votes overwhelmingly in one manner, that bloc CAN contribute significantly to an election result.  You might note that even among voters 65 and over--at 15% of the total vote, just slightly larger than the African-American vote--didn&#039;t vote as lopsidedly.  The only groups to vote against same-sex marriage with larger percentages were (1) identify as Conservative, (2) identify as Republican, (3) voted for McCain, (4) military background, and (5) identify as approving of Bush.  Of those groups, only the military background voters were under 80%.  Conversely, the only groups voting to support same-sex marriage by more than 70% were Jewish voters, non-religious voters and LGBT voters; Jewish and LGBT voters only made up 5% of their respective &quot;relgion&quot; and &quot;sexual orientation&quot; categories and non-religious voters made up 16% of &quot;religion&quot; category.  Jews voted 78% to support same-sex marriage; &quot;No religion&quot; voters went 90% in support; LGBT voters were 98% in favor.
One could ask why LGBT weren&#039;t 100% in favor, but the fact is that not all LGBT people support marriage equality.  But, when you&#039;ve only got 2% of the vote of only 5% of the population, you&#039;re really not dealing with very many.  Using our 10,000 voter sample, that&#039;s only 10 people (that&#039;s right--TEN).  5% of 10,000 is only 500 and 2% of 500 is 10.  Compared to 1000 African-American voters where 700 voted against same-sex marriage, a mere TEN LGBT voters is really nothing.  (Even a 100% vote favoring same-sex marriage among the LGBT community wouldn&#039;t have had the same effect on the outcome if the African-American community had been split even as closely as the Hispanic community.  Had the African-American community vote been split at the White/Asian level or the &quot;Other&quot; level, then the fault could&#039;ve been laid at the feet of the LGBT opponents of same-sex marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s such bull.  When you have a community that only makes up about 10% of the total population, but 70% of them vote in one manner or the other, that IS enough to help determine an election.<br />
Looking at the numbers:<br />
Whites made up 63% of the electorate; Hispanics, 18%; African-Americans, 10%; Asians, 6%; and others, 3%.<br />
By Y/N percentage (an &#8220;N&#8221; being in favor of keeping same-sex marriage):  Whites voted 49/51; Hispanics, 53/47; African-Americans, 70/30; Asians, 49/51; and others, 51/49.<br />
Taking those numbers and extrapolating to a sample base of 10,000 voters, we get<br />
6300 White voters (3087 Yes; 3213 No)<br />
1800 Hispanic voters (954 Yes; 846 No)<br />
1000 African-American voters (700 Yes; 300 No)<br />
600 Asian voters (294 Yes; 306 No)<br />
300 &#8220;Other&#8221; voters (151 Yes; 149 No)</p>
<p>These figures give us a total of 5186 voting Yes and 4814 voting No&#8211;a margin of difference of merely 372 votes.  IF the African-American vote had been split with the same level as the Hispanic vote (53/47), the African-American vote would&#8217;ve been 530 Yes and 470 No&#8211;for a grand total of 5016 Yes and 4984 No (which would&#8217;ve still resulted in an overturning of same-sex marriage).  NOW, let&#8217;s consider the African-American vote had been split the same as the White vote (49/51); that would&#8217;ve resulted in an African-American vote going 490 Yes and 510 No&#8211;for a grand total of 4976 Yes and 5024 No (resulting in the continued legality of same-sex marriage in California).  If the African-American vote had been the same as the &#8220;Other&#8221; (51/49), we&#8217;d have an African-American vote of 510 Yes to 490 No&#8211;for a grand total of 4996 Yes and 5004 No (again, resulting in the continued legality of same-sex marriage).<br />
The simple fact is that EVERY SINGLE VOTE COUNTS in any election.  More importantly, when any single bloc of voters votes overwhelmingly in one manner, that bloc CAN contribute significantly to an election result.  You might note that even among voters 65 and over&#8211;at 15% of the total vote, just slightly larger than the African-American vote&#8211;didn&#8217;t vote as lopsidedly.  The only groups to vote against same-sex marriage with larger percentages were (1) identify as Conservative, (2) identify as Republican, (3) voted for McCain, (4) military background, and (5) identify as approving of Bush.  Of those groups, only the military background voters were under 80%.  Conversely, the only groups voting to support same-sex marriage by more than 70% were Jewish voters, non-religious voters and LGBT voters; Jewish and LGBT voters only made up 5% of their respective &#8220;relgion&#8221; and &#8220;sexual orientation&#8221; categories and non-religious voters made up 16% of &#8220;religion&#8221; category.  Jews voted 78% to support same-sex marriage; &#8220;No religion&#8221; voters went 90% in support; LGBT voters were 98% in favor.<br />
One could ask why LGBT weren&#8217;t 100% in favor, but the fact is that not all LGBT people support marriage equality.  But, when you&#8217;ve only got 2% of the vote of only 5% of the population, you&#8217;re really not dealing with very many.  Using our 10,000 voter sample, that&#8217;s only 10 people (that&#8217;s right&#8211;TEN).  5% of 10,000 is only 500 and 2% of 500 is 10.  Compared to 1000 African-American voters where 700 voted against same-sex marriage, a mere TEN LGBT voters is really nothing.  (Even a 100% vote favoring same-sex marriage among the LGBT community wouldn&#8217;t have had the same effect on the outcome if the African-American community had been split even as closely as the Hispanic community.  Had the African-American community vote been split at the White/Asian level or the &#8220;Other&#8221; level, then the fault could&#8217;ve been laid at the feet of the LGBT opponents of same-sex marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: jangles</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27862/a-house-divided/#comment-1228667</link>
		<dc:creator>jangles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the bottom line is that when you get something given to you, the value is not like when you work, sweat and even die for it.  It is clear to me that the AA&#039;s who led the civil rights movement have a far different perspective on the gains for AAs than the younger AA&#039;s who have been recipients of major affirmative action programs at colleges, universities, public employment and even corporate outreach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the bottom line is that when you get something given to you, the value is not like when you work, sweat and even die for it.  It is clear to me that the AA&#8217;s who led the civil rights movement have a far different perspective on the gains for AAs than the younger AA&#8217;s who have been recipients of major affirmative action programs at colleges, universities, public employment and even corporate outreach.</p>
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		<title>By: lorac</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27862/a-house-divided/#comment-1228633</link>
		<dc:creator>lorac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be vocal about your own civil rights, but then to deny them to others, suggests to me that they aren&#039;t really understanding what civil rights are - they&#039;re only interested in looking out for themselves.

To me, the point is the hypocrisy, not that they were the largest group of people swaying the vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be vocal about your own civil rights, but then to deny them to others, suggests to me that they aren&#8217;t really understanding what civil rights are &#8211; they&#8217;re only interested in looking out for themselves.</p>
<p>To me, the point is the hypocrisy, not that they were the largest group of people swaying the vote.</p>
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		<title>By: verminme</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27862/a-house-divided/#comment-1228617</link>
		<dc:creator>verminme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about the AA community sharing the benifits of their special status re: civil rights with anyone.  It&#039;s about affirmative action, schools and jobs and their special feeling of victimhood that brings so many benifits and have done so for the last 50 years. Two generations of AAs have benifited from affirmative action and now we have an AA president.  Where there should be a feeling of accomplishment at a goal acheived there is instead worry that special treatments will be taken away and AAs will find themselves advancing only by their merits and hard work on that level playing field with everyone else. It&#039;s about the money.  In the privacy of black churches these things are discussed. That&#039;s why the churches matter.  They don&#039;t care about the bedroom any more or less than anyone else does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about the AA community sharing the benifits of their special status re: civil rights with anyone.  It&#8217;s about affirmative action, schools and jobs and their special feeling of victimhood that brings so many benifits and have done so for the last 50 years. Two generations of AAs have benifited from affirmative action and now we have an AA president.  Where there should be a feeling of accomplishment at a goal acheived there is instead worry that special treatments will be taken away and AAs will find themselves advancing only by their merits and hard work on that level playing field with everyone else. It&#8217;s about the money.  In the privacy of black churches these things are discussed. That&#8217;s why the churches matter.  They don&#8217;t care about the bedroom any more or less than anyone else does.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27862/a-house-divided/#comment-1228608</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SHV, I am not disputing your stats, but it is always a good idea to provide a link to them so others can verify them for themselves, or use them at another date.  Thanks.

And RKStone, the issue is more one of Civil Rights in general, a point I thought I made.  If I was unclear on that, I apologize.  I do not blame AAs solely for the passage of Prop 8, and nowhere did I do so.  Nor was that the focus of the article in general, which I did think was clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHV, I am not disputing your stats, but it is always a good idea to provide a link to them so others can verify them for themselves, or use them at another date.  Thanks.</p>
<p>And RKStone, the issue is more one of Civil Rights in general, a point I thought I made.  If I was unclear on that, I apologize.  I do not blame AAs solely for the passage of Prop 8, and nowhere did I do so.  Nor was that the focus of the article in general, which I did think was clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Brodie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27862/a-house-divided/#comment-1228593</link>
		<dc:creator>Brodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and this is a problem on WHAT planet??AS IF!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and this is a problem on WHAT planet??AS IF!!!</p>
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		<title>By: SHV</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27862/a-house-divided/#comment-1228586</link>
		<dc:creator>SHV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black people make up only a very small part of the California electorate.
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You are right. No matter the % of AAs voting for or against, they couldn&#039;t have determined the outcome.  The &quot;tin-foil(?)&quot; explanation that I have seen about AA&#039;s passed prop 8 is that the LDS Church was getting so much bad press for their support of prop 8, that the back-lash was redirected to the AA vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black people make up only a very small part of the California electorate.<br />
********<br />
You are right. No matter the % of AAs voting for or against, they couldn&#8217;t have determined the outcome.  The &#8220;tin-foil(?)&#8221; explanation that I have seen about AA&#8217;s passed prop 8 is that the LDS Church was getting so much bad press for their support of prop 8, that the back-lash was redirected to the AA vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/27862/a-house-divided/#comment-1228582</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, CG -

Thanks for the link.  Very informative article - as I am sure you know, I am glad for Hillary as SOS as the one adult in the room, but it does irk me that she is treated so disparately.  I am not surprised by it, mind you - I knew from the get-go that this was how it was going to be, but still - irritating.

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, CG -</p>
<p>Thanks for the link.  Very informative article &#8211; as I am sure you know, I am glad for Hillary as SOS as the one adult in the room, but it does irk me that she is treated so disparately.  I am not surprised by it, mind you &#8211; I knew from the get-go that this was how it was going to be, but still &#8211; irritating.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: RKStone</title>
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		<dc:creator>RKStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black people make up only a very small part of the California electorate. By far, the vast majority of  people who voted for Prop. 8 were not black. Blaming black people as a group for the passage of Prop. 8 is wrong, in my humble opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black people make up only a very small part of the California electorate. By far, the vast majority of  people who voted for Prop. 8 were not black. Blaming black people as a group for the passage of Prop. 8 is wrong, in my humble opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: SHV</title>
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		<dc:creator>SHV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As noted in this post, the stats abt the AA vote came from the LA Times.
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IIRC those numbers were from a CNN exit poll. The point that was made by people doing the later surveys was that the exit poll was weighted toward older AA votes since older voters tend to vote absentee and vote early in the AM..

I think the best news in the demographic breakdown is the age in relation to the vote.  If nothing else, time is on the side of gay civil rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted in this post, the stats abt the AA vote came from the LA Times.<br />
********<br />
IIRC those numbers were from a CNN exit poll. The point that was made by people doing the later surveys was that the exit poll was weighted toward older AA votes since older voters tend to vote absentee and vote early in the AM..</p>
<p>I think the best news in the demographic breakdown is the age in relation to the vote.  If nothing else, time is on the side of gay civil rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope both these ladies leave their parties and form their own. It&#039;s time for a new party, to dismantle both the parties of HATE. Hillary does not belong in the party of these New Democrats and Sarah doesn&#039;t belong in the party of Far Right. BTW did you hear that Sarah is going to be campaigning not only for Republicans that share her views, but Blue Dog Democrats that do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope both these ladies leave their parties and form their own. It&#8217;s time for a new party, to dismantle both the parties of HATE. Hillary does not belong in the party of these New Democrats and Sarah doesn&#8217;t belong in the party of Far Right. BTW did you hear that Sarah is going to be campaigning not only for Republicans that share her views, but Blue Dog Democrats that do.</p>
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		<title>By: SHV</title>
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		<dc:creator>SHV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hispanics and Prop 8:
As a whole:
53 percent of Hispanics voted yes; 52% of the electorate voted yes.

By gender:
54% of Hispanic males voted yes. 53% of males voted yes.
52% of both Hispanic women and women in general voted yes.

By age:
59% of Hispanics age 18-29 voted no; 61% of 18-29-year-olds voted no.
60% of Hispanics age 30-44 voted yes; 55% of 30-44-year-olds voted yes.
57% of Hispanics age 45-64 voted yes; 54% of 45-64-year-olds voted yes.
There was not enough data to compare Hispanics 65 and over to all voters 65 and over.

By religion (not specific to Hispanics):
64% of Catholics voted yes
65% of Protestants voted yes
90% of non-religious voted no.
84% weekly churchgoers voted yes
54% of occasional churchgoers voted no
83% of people who&#039;ve never been to church voted no
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Age and Religion were the major factors.


The 70% &quot;yes&quot; vote by AAs on exit polling may be an over estimate...later surveys indicate a mid-50% yes vote by AAs.  I have seen no breakdown of the AA vote by age or religious status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hispanics and Prop 8:<br />
As a whole:<br />
53 percent of Hispanics voted yes; 52% of the electorate voted yes.</p>
<p>By gender:<br />
54% of Hispanic males voted yes. 53% of males voted yes.<br />
52% of both Hispanic women and women in general voted yes.</p>
<p>By age:<br />
59% of Hispanics age 18-29 voted no; 61% of 18-29-year-olds voted no.<br />
60% of Hispanics age 30-44 voted yes; 55% of 30-44-year-olds voted yes.<br />
57% of Hispanics age 45-64 voted yes; 54% of 45-64-year-olds voted yes.<br />
There was not enough data to compare Hispanics 65 and over to all voters 65 and over.</p>
<p>By religion (not specific to Hispanics):<br />
64% of Catholics voted yes<br />
65% of Protestants voted yes<br />
90% of non-religious voted no.<br />
84% weekly churchgoers voted yes<br />
54% of occasional churchgoers voted no<br />
83% of people who&#8217;ve never been to church voted no<br />
********</p>
<p>Age and Religion were the major factors.</p>
<p>The 70% &#8220;yes&#8221; vote by AAs on exit polling may be an over estimate&#8230;later surveys indicate a mid-50% yes vote by AAs.  I have seen no breakdown of the AA vote by age or religious status.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point.  Thank you!

And SHV, thank you - I have had those stats abt Hispanics in a previous post.  As noted in this post, the stats abt the AA vote came from the LA Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point.  Thank you!</p>
<p>And SHV, thank you &#8211; I have had those stats abt Hispanics in a previous post.  As noted in this post, the stats abt the AA vote came from the LA Times.</p>
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