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Jeering and Sneering All the Way Where?

Back when this race was getting underway and no one had yet dropped out, I wrote about Barack’s style of negative campaigning, in a diary published at kos called “Maureen Dowd, Not,” which was a parody of Dowd’s column championing Barack for stepping out onto the low road.  He’d made a joke that made Michelle laugh, alluding to Hillary’s experience, married to Bill, and he wondered, in his now trademark style, how that qualified her to be president.

I was astonished; he’d used sexist memes to get his audience to laugh at Hillary?

I had thought he was the nice guy, the one who would elevate the political discourse and treat all candidates with respect, as indeed he had suggested he would, with his words of praise for Bush and his admiration for how Rumsfled had managed the war.  So, months later, when he promised her some Chicago Smack Down, I thought, well, he’s at least admitted it and now the media and his supporters will have to admit it too.  Like, right.  

I then saw his strategy as searching out anything in Hillary’s or her surrogate’s words that could be `understood,’ (read misunderstood) to mean something offensive to African American citizens and then to express his manufactured outrage.  I said then that he was predictable, in that he would pass up no opportunity to smear her with the implicit charge of racism.

Although I thought he could probably convince some white people she was `using’ veiled racism (for what, to turn off her supporters?), that black people would see right through it, and possibly fear some backlash, but essentially forgive him, because he was a new guy and he was trying to win.  Even I could understand, sort of, I mean new immigrant groups have long used fanning racism against African Americans to `identify’ themselves with white Americans, who feared the `Otherness’ of black citizens far more than they feared any immigrant `Others,’ so they could `bond’ over home-grown and common ugly racial prejudice, with the `the enemy of my enemy is my friend and makes a more acceptable neighbor’ idea.

But my prediction that Barack himself knew better, and was being only as calculated and cynical as most other presidential candidates before him in `demonizing’ his opponent, and so would stop when it no longer `helped’ has been proven overly optimistic.

Bush did that to McCain, with his claim that John had fathered an illegitimate black daughter, which could apparently still offend enough racist pugs to sink John’s dream. Outside the question of why this would be a big deal even if it were true (is it the illegitimate part or the black part?) it certainly showed what might be seen as `prep-school racist smack down sneer and jeer.’

John Kerry was `taken down,’ over the flip flop metaphor, and he was jeered and sneered at on the floor of that now infamous GOP convention, that showed America a mob of fools slapping rubber flip flops every which way and jeering their blockheads off.  That was a smack down for sure, and the fact that racism wasn’t involved was the only bright light in an ugly campaign.  

My prediction was wrong, because Barack has kept up his `game,’ long past time when it `helped’ him win over undecided Hilary Haters, and into overtime, where he’s losing support over it, so much so that he’s enraged many of Hillary supporters with the disrespect he shows her, so much so that he may have sparked a grass roots mainstream Democratic movement to bring professionalism into our party.  Had he `closed the deal’ early on, likely no one would have noticed or cared about his jeers and sneers, and had he realized, in a cynical calculation, that this was no longer helping and stopped, he would have shown himself to be an adept politician, able to shift modes as the race goes on toward the goal of `winning.’  

Had he seen himself as the clear winner, surely he would have stopped jeering and sneering at her, and would have reached out to her supporters in a way that would show us he never really meant it. Surely if his purported style of bottom up governing were his truth, he would have listened to the 70 percent of Democrats who want a unity ticket. He would have used her strengths, asked that she be in charge of agencies like homeland security, for example, that have long needed a professional and expert head.  How nice would that have made us all feel, we’d see him as a big man who knew what it takes to unite and to bring real change to our government.  

But Barack went `a bridge too far,’ when he `responded’ to an analogy she used that had nothing to do with him: She’s been asked countless times by reporters why she hasn’t dropped out already for goodness sake, why she keeps dragging out the primary season with her obstreperous refusal to `admit’ she can’t possibly win even though she’s `harming’ Barack’s chances in the GE by showing it’s not yet over, and that she has at least as much support as Barack from Democrats expected to vote in the fall. To this constant, how dare you, she answers with history, other races went on even longer, this isn’t new, remember, this primary and that one? And in the end the party will come together, because she’ll unite behind the winner.

Barack’s response is now the stuff of legends.  He pretended her only hope to win the nomination would be if he’s off’d. Since the fears of African Americans that he might be killed have been often expressed, and deeply felt, his unveiled charge was if possible even more ugly.  For a man who attended a church where his pastor and at least some of his fellow parishioners believe AIDS was a government plot against African Americans, Barack well knows that ugly rumors can be accepted as fact, no matter how incredible. Indeed, some citizens hold equally incredible `beliefs’ about Barack’s background and his agenda should he win the highest office in the land. There are always some who will believe the most offensive and incredible of charges, and Barack must know that.   The only `political’ spin I can give him is that this gives him an ugly argument against asking her onto his ticket; `she wants the presidency over his dead body; no wonder she’d like to be a heartbeat away?’

This will be known as his `bridge too far,’ in that he’s exposed himself, as an unpleasant man, not so smart after all, who will never stop creating `meanings’ to smear Hillary (and who else) with the ugliest of motivations. It now seems likely that Barack isn’t just a politician; he really hates her, and `believes’ she’s some monster out to get him.  We can’t say that he’ll do anything to win the presidency, but may say with some evidence that in his `paranoia’ he’ll charge anything, even when it hurts him the most.  That’s the `fatal flaw’ psychologists have noticed in some candidates who can’t win the biggest cheese: for some psychological reason they have to be `true to themselves,’ even if `themselves’ isn’t worthy of being true to, and even when it means they reduce their chances. One thinks of Al Gore selecting the impeacher Joe Lieberman as a running mate and excluding Bill Clinton from his campaign.  Fervently held so-called high roads, as much as fervently held ugly low roads are equally stupid in presidential races. Statespersons see themselves as representatives of something bigger than themselves.   (To paraphrase Barack, I’m not against politicking; I’m against stupid politicking.)

But on a cheery note, Barack has shown us all how to play jeer and sneer. Some of us remember this `game’ from elementary or `primary,’ school, when many little boys still see little girls as scary or creepy `Others’ who must be warded off with incantations and spitting at and the like.   I recall a survey taken in a fourth grade classroom, where the children were to choose which children they most wanted to sit next to and which ones least.  There was one little outcast boy named Leslie in that classroom, who was sensitive and bad at sports, and was the scariest `Other’ to the rest of the boys, judging by how they taunted him. One little boy answered in the survey that he’d least like to sit next to “Leslie, and all the girls.”  

The tried and true way to bond with `the popular group,’ is to taunt the common enemy.  It’s the stuff of bullying and the making of outcast children, some of whom grow up to be dangerous.  

Thanks to Barack, and with help from Marc Rubin at Tom Paine, we can now all learn how to play this `uplifting and inspiring’ game of Jeer and Sneer.  Rubin noticed that after Barack first `assumed’ she meant she hoped she would win because she hoped he’d be killed, he called her remark “unfortunate.”  He then accepted an apology from Clinton that she didn’t give him “because he didn’t have one coming.”  Rubin sees this as “the equivalent of hitting the ground after you sucker punch someone so the person can’t hit back, and if they do you scream that you’re being attacked.”  How many times have we seen bullies do that with weaker kids, to get an `excuse’ to beat up on them, and if not in person, then in movies?  (If any sixth graders who don’t know this are watching, that’s how it’s done.) The real fun part of this trick is the audience who does see through it, sees that she didn’t hit him but he acted hit, and then played her victim, and made a weak fool of her, to their delight or dismay. When he pretends to take the high road, and `accepts’ her apology, he’s taking his bow.  

Then, when it’s supposedly over, he must enjoy it more; he takes Keith Olberman’s insane rant and sends it out to all newspersons. See what she is, Keith knows, she’s a cootie girl. Ick.  It’s jeer and sneer.  

On a depressing note, I heard an African American man, who was on a show about the lack of color in the GOP, state that we now know that “The Clinton’s” are racists, and no one told him he was full of shit.  

I’ve often had the strange sensation in this campaign that there are two alternate realities.  Hillary’s campaign is old fashioned: reach out to the voters and ask for their votes.  She’s cheery and upbeat and optimistic about the future of this nation. It’s like a remake of Rogers and Hammerstein’s, State Fair, updated with representation from all of America. She’s the American Girl candidate, running against Bush, pledging to reverse his policies and bring efficiencies and professionalism to Washington. One of her big applause lines is `it’s a tough job, hire me, and I’ll clean up the Bush mess.”  

Barack’s case seems mainly to be about her, how bad she is, how wrong she’s been, how awful she is, how racist and selfish and horrid she is.  His campaign is more like Neil La Bute’s, In the Company of Men.  

So now we may be delivered a seemingly flawed human being as our candidate, and we’ll have to support him, and how much will he enjoy that, because John McCain wants to expand our nuclear arsenal to include more so-called tactical nuclear bombs. John is on the crooked talk express, a nice guy on the outside, and bent on the inside.  Between Barack and John, there is a clear worser.

But we still may get our American Girl, ready and willing to work her buns off to achieve a better nation.

Go Hilary!!

UPDATE: I got this from a commenter, seems I heard the statement incorrectly and here is the correction:

his is a follow up to this comment by kasjogren

What Anna Shane heard:

On a depressing note, I heard an African American man, who was on a show about the lack of color in the GOP, state that we now know that “The Clinton’s” are racists, and no one told him he was full of shit.
What was actually said:

TONY COX: Hurricane Katrina aside, for the moment, what do you think are the main Republican platforms that make minorities shy away from the party, Debra?
Ms. DEBRA DICKERSON: Interesting. I think that the – their orientation against considering race to be a prime mover in a lot of situations. That basic disagreement that race is still a big problem for people who are not part of the white race, that’s the major stumbling block. I think entrepreneurship in that sort of thing is very appealing to blacks, but it’s that we don’t want to talk about race, and we believe ourselves to be color blind and it’s all just about paying attention and working hard.

That is the entry point until the party can understand that we still- that many black people still see race as a major issue and it’s not a comfortable place to bring up things about race. So that’s the major stumbling block and race is so far down on their list, and I think a lot of black people have a lot of affinity for a lot of Republican ideas. Again, we are a very conservative people. But many of us still agree that race is still a stumbling block. And when they say no it’s not, that’s your basic problem right there.

Mr. ERIC BROWN: And I find it interesting, because this present election cycle has really shown – or should have shown a lot of blacks that, does race really matter with the young Democrats? I mean the Clintons have gone out and their surrogates have gone out to prove that, you know, race doesn’t matter. Look how they have gone on to treat the people of South Carolina. Look how they have gone on to talk about how the, you know, working-class white person is more important than a black person, that’s who we are going after as far of votes.

COX: Yeah, but the counter-argument to that, obviously is Barack Obama, the fact that the party has embraced him and is supporting him.

  • usedmeat

    You go with what you got and since obama couldn’t challenge any signatures he took the low road.

    • workingclass artist

      Why would I support a Party that has rigged the primaries and disenfranchised the voters of MI & FL….
      Why would I support a candidate that has ties to Radicals and Racists…
      Why would I support a candidate who resorts to coercion…
      Because I’m a lifelong Democrat ?

      If Obama is the Democratic Nominee it is ILLEGITIMATE….IT IS CORRUPTED

      OBAMA IS UNFIT FOR ANY ELECTIVE OFFICE…HE IS A FASCIST…

      • ownaa

        YES….YES….YES

        Now is plan B

        We don’t have to wait till after the GE, do we?

  • Karen

    NICE POINTS —–NICE WRITING –THX

    http://www.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/hateamerica.png

    it says
    ;IF U HATE AMERICA -YOU ARE GOING TO LOVE OBAMA::

    • ownaa

      I detest that woman, please don’t quote her

  • so saddened

    and we’ll have to support him, and how much will he enjoy that, because John McCain wants to expand our nuclear arsenal to include more so-called tactical nuclear bombs. John is on the crooked talk express, a nice guy on the outside, and bent on the inside. Between Barack and John, there is a clear worser.

    i simply must disagree. i will never support obama. disagreement over a policy issue, such as expanding the nuclear arsenal, can be resolved through the usual political means. that’s why we have congress, etc. but having a person who i believe is simply evil as our president is another matter entirely. and obama is the one i see as “nice guy on the outside, and bent on the inside.” i see him as so seriously bent that he is dangerous.

    • AF catfish

      So with you. Tactical nukes are a horrid idea, but we can work this out with McCain. Obama – there is no telling what he will do.

      • Karen

        WHAT HE WILL DO???

        • Karen

          He will say —Can i please just finish my waffles???

          • Catsarepeopletoo

            While he’s eating his waffles, all the people lined up to pull his strings (the liberal elite, the Chicago operatives, the black liberationists, the Muslims like his cousin Odinga, and more) will be destroying America.

        • SensibleWoman

          WHAT HE WILL DO???

          Umm…Oops! Wrong button…wrong country. Hmmm…maybe I’ll just wait to see if someone ELSE will speak up and apologize. That oughtta fix it.

          • workingclass artist

            Hmmmm….This is where a basic knowledge of Geography is critical.
            Of course we can all take comfort in Obam’s excellent appreciation of the Great Lakes of Oregon….

            • ownaa

              and History

    • jangles

      “…so seriously bent that he is dangerous.” Yes, totally agree. His pattern of behavior is writing itself indelibly on this election process and that pattern is made of “not acting” being present but not engaged, never taking a clear, direct stand but umming and haaaaing. He did not deal with the Wright situation until it came off the rails; he is not dealing with Pfleger even as Pfleger is coming of the rails. How many times did he vote present? He stalled and refused to deal with MI and Fl and now it has come to a showdown and it is coming off the rails. His record in office is one of failing to act and demonstrate constructive leadership; as chair of the board for the Annenberg challenge in Chicago City Schools he failed to act as the program consistently showed no significant student gains in any measurable area. Obama is Bush III and what makes him worse is that his advisors and associates are far worse than GWB’s. Bush has nearly destroyed this country. Obama will finish the job.

    • stodghie

      me too! i see obama as deeply flawed and dangerous for this country.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    I must be cynical. I knew from his Reagan speech what the plan was.

    It would be to destroy her.

    • workingclass artist

      Not just her….The Party built by FDR….Typical Fascist tactic….

      • Genevieve LeFevre

        Exactly. He’s a puppet of the neoconservatives. All fascism starts as a grassroots, youth-driven change ideology driven by fanaticism and propaganda slogans like “unity.” Once you lay the groundwork, bring in the big guns, inflame nationalism and use the moral laxity of the left and the conservative ideology of the right, “patriotism” and “democracy,” wreak havoc rinse lather repeat.

  • greg

    I agree with so saddened.

    No Obama ever. I never understood how people on the “religious right” could vote against their economic interests and support Repubs. Now I understand. So much for Marx.

    • ownaa

      So much for Marx.
      I like that very much. How many …many times through history that proven to be wrong. I argued that pariticular thing with many communist but they always tried to explain in so many ways, but it still as u said so much for Marx

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/ Gloria

    I wish Corrine Brown would kick him in the teeth.

    Here’s my tribute to her…

    “Corrine Brown Has Been Fighting for the Vote Since 2000 and Is Fighting for Hillary Clinton Today”

    http://tinyurl.com/3utyhk

    Revisit some of here courageous acts…

  • Faust

    I’m sorry, but this has to be one of the most insane, crazy screeds I have read in some time. Are you serious? These are your beliefs?

    I know I’m the “enemy” here and all that crap. Fine. Demonize me. But this rant …? I don’t understand it.

    You inflate and cast aspirations on everything that Barak Obama says. To you, every breath the man takes is an insult to Hillary (notice, to “l’s”) Clinton’s very existence.

    These are the facts. Hillary Clinton started this contest – and that’s what it is – with more advantages than any candidate since George W. Bush. Not only does she have the name recognition, but over 100 Superdelegates pledged for her before a single vote was cast. She started out with the lead.

    No one handed this to Barak Obama. Yes, he had buzz coming out of 2004. It was anticipated that he’d run. But no one, in Nov 2007, took him that seriously. Certainly none of the presumed front-runners – John Edwards, Hillary Clinton. But he campaigned his ass off. Everyone knew the rules coming in. And I’m sorry it hasn’t turned out for you. I know how that feels – I wanted Gore to come in. I wanted Edwards after that. And no matter what you think, none of the reasons I disliked Hillary was because of her gender. Zero. If anything, that was a net positive, in my view. I have nothing to prove that but my word, so you have to take that.

    But Obama worked his ass off for every one of those votes. So did those people who showed up for him. I believed with all my heart that Dean should have won Iowa in 2004. But he didn’t. He didn’t because he simply got out-hustled. Out-played. It was heartbreaking. But he didn’t deserve it. He wasn’t entitled to it. Neither was John Kerry. He won Iowa with his campaign. He won, fair and square, by playing by the rules as they’re laid out.

    Politics aren’t for the tame. Hillary is tough, and she’s ran a very strong campaign. But don’t turn a blind eye to faults, because it was THOSE that made her lose.

    No matter what you believe, Anna – and I sincerely hope that belief is not wide-spread – Barak does not have a built-in advantage because he his half-black. To pretend that racism does not exist while sexism is so wide-spread as that not only does it knock off the “inevitable” candidate but also raises the black dude up, is beyond intellectual dishonesty. Frankly, you should feel ashamed of yourself.

    I won’t deny that sexism wasn’t involved in this race. It’s called a glass ceiling for a reason: when you break through it, you’re going to get all sorts of cuts. To deny it also doesn’t apply to Obama, that only Hillary’s ceiling is an unbroken one and thus she’s entitled to the nomination because of it, is asinine. Both have had equal airing these past 6 long fricken months.

    But ultimately – and I no longer address this to the author, because I don’t believe the motives are good nor do I believe that I can speak to her hate – this isn’t a cult a personality. I could give fuck-all whether it was Hillary or Obama when this started out. I didn’t care for either of them. But Obama won by the rules. He ran his campaign no more rougher or dirtier than any other person ran theirs. Hillary was no saint on the campaign trail, and neither was her husband.

    The United States is a nation of LAWS. For the last 8 years this has not been the case. Rules are made, and they aren’t to be broken just because the person breaking them thinks they’re above reproach in doing so. That’s not how it works, and that’s not how it SHOULD work. Haven’t we learned that the last 8 years? Isn’t it that that John McCain is offering us more of? We are not, nor should we be, a country of personalities, or men, or women. Isn’t that what we are fighting for?

    Obama has not run a dirty campaign, regardless of what it says above. It has been rough. And the media …. the media has, as always, been in the right-wing’s pocket. I don’t understand how, as Democrats, that can be misunderstood. I get all the reasons why you believe that Hillary should be President. I honestly do. But she lost by the rules, fair and square. As Democrats, you don’t need to accept Barak Obama. But you have to be okay with giving him a chance. Otherwise, all those ideals that you believe Hillary believes in – well, frankly you do NOT. You’re simply a Republican.

    • greg

      I started out a Hillary supporter and then took a serious look at Obama. I was somewhat disappointed with Hillary’s campaign but when one looks into Obama’s record, how he won his first elections, his connections to Ayers, Wright, Phelger, etc., his poor record in Illinois and his non-existent record in the Senate,his lack of experience, his current advisors who would be become the top people running the country, his misogny, his absolutely horrible treatment of Hillary and Bill, his lack of any record of bringing people together on anything, his praise of Reagan and Rumsfeld, his support by the Bush energy plan, his ties to lobbyists ( like Axelrod) and no record accomplishments – I came back Hillary. Hillary is the best candidate by far. If a make had Hillary’s record this would not even be a contest. What on earth has Obama accomplished to be worthy of support for the Presidency of the United States? Even Bush has more experience and could not believe Repubs would put someone up with that record. Now we Democrats are doing the same if not worse. What a wonderful world.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7J0f5TMrQ Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

        He is the Hope and Change Candidate

        None of that stuff you listed matters

        Hope they don’t notice and Change the subject if they do.

    • Susan1968

      Faust, you say:

      But you have to be okay with giving him a chance. Otherwise, all those ideals that you believe Hillary believes in – well, frankly you do NOT. You’re simply a Republican.

      I was wondering —

      How much does the Obama campaign pay you to place comments on blogs?

      Your assumption is Obama holds the same ideals as Hillary and ergo we have to vote for him.

      But you see — Obama does not hold the same ideals as Hillary.

      One can easily figure this out by vetting him, looking at his past history, and apprzising the people he has been involved with for 20 years.

      Including his “they always raise the bar” wife. Who, in fact, got into Princeton because the bar was lowered for her (Michelle admitted her SAT scores were not high enough for Princeton — if you were white.)

      So go sell crazy somewhere else.

      • Fred C. Dobbs

        Pretty sad when you’re an Affirmative Action admittee for SOCIOLOGY?

        Must be lots of fun to get carved on by an Affirmative Action surgeon, drive across a bridge designed by an Affirmative Action engineer or ride in a 767 commanded by an Affirmative Action captain.

        Because, remember: it’s NOT whether someone knows his ass from a hole in the ground and has proved it. It’s whether or not his/her Self-Esteem is maintained!

        Sic transit Jefferson’s meritocracy.

        • so saddened

          fred c. dobbs, omg! i didn’t realize michelle obobo’s affirmative action admission was for sociology!!!

          but her self esteem seems at an all time high.

          as far as i can tell, mr obobo’s law review editorship was also affirmative action – read somewhere that he graduated in the top 25% of his class. at my school, that’s WAY below the level required to even get ON the law review. and his school is supposedly superior to mine (lol).

          • Genevieve LeFevre

            OBOBO is the funniest I’ve heard yet. That could well describe his latte-loving cult members from all-white private communities.

    • Shainzona

      Yawn!

    • ELlen

      Finally – the truth and some reason to all this garbage. Anna’s article was the biggest piece of idiocy I have read in a long time. one of the candidates will lose…by the numbers. What is so difficult to understand about this? The Obama-haters on this site will never accept anyone but Hillary – do what you will and vote accordingly, if it makes you feel good – but don’t expect any good will from your fellow democrats who will vote as democrats.

      • so saddened

        we will indeed do what we will. and your “good will” is of no concern, nor is your opinion that we are not voting “as democrats” since we are voting against obama.

        btw, democrats actually believe in democracy. strange concept to obamaites, i realize, but true.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7J0f5TMrQ Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

        oh Eat the Barack off my big fat log.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7J0f5TMrQ Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

      No Obama Ever

      Hillary or McCain. No Other Option.

      Thats all you need to hear then.

    • workingclass artist

      Faust…appropiate moniker…How much did you pimp your soul for to Dear Leader…Hmmmm ? Take your Fascist pablum somewhere else….yawn….

    • ownaa

      Is airamericaradio in the right wings media too, the left blogs. I never in my life listened to such hatred like the one comming out of those even more than they do the Bushs. You cann’t possibaly think all those super delegates supported BO because they think he was best. I remember Lews from Goergia, came out and said he is a Clinton supporter and believed she is the best, but he can’t go against the will of his people because they voted for Obam. Well if we apply that concept then Kennady, Kerry and the rest of them from the states she won the popular votes should be behind her. Then this thing will ended today and she wins. You can’t just pick and choose the rule and laws. Besides the most important factor and object of this excersise is GE which is better suited for the job; BO is not.

    • Amy

      He most certainly has run a dirty campaign and it is he that has received every opportunity to rise above since the media has been complicit and his record has received almost no scrutiny until late. He is the one that has had all the advantages. Even the FLA, MI debacle has worked to his favor. Now it seems that he will actually be rewarded for taking his name off the ballot and refusing to a revote. Uniter? I have never voted republican in my life but I will if he gets the nomination. As usual the women has had to work longer and harder and endure more rath and scrutiny than the man. Shirley Chisolm remarked that she had received more prejudice as a woman than she ever did as an African American.This race has proved that.

      • Mary

        Agree, Amy. Obama HAS run a dirty campaign.

        He reminds me of George W. Bush in 2000: to the public, he appears cheery and positive and “noble.”

        But behind the scenes, his campaign staff is running every dirty trick possible. The Chicago way, and all that.

        He’s a fraud. I’ve never seen the Democratic Party so DIVIDED by a candidate who plays like he cares about UNITY.

        Stick a fork in him. He’s done in the GE.

    • Genevieve LeFevre

      “cast aspirations” on everything Barack Obama says… now that’s funny. perhaps he meant “cast aspersions”? who’d have thought the devil himself made Freudian slips!

    • MEchelle Hates America!


      But Obama worked lied his ass off for every one of those votes. So did those people who showed up for him.

      Remember the bitter folks comments in San Francisco?

      The part the MSM buried is the TRADE part.

      This was right after he and his advisor in Chitown told a Canadian rep that Oblowme was just blowing smoke up the asses of the voters re: NAFTA.

      Then in San Fran with the Corp. Domineers of the World United crowd that lying sack of shit is caught off script about bitter folks clinging to trade!

      WTF?!!

  • jwrjr

    Barack Obama – to know him is to loathe him.

    • Cindy

      I loathe his puppetmasters even more. They traded their souls to pull his strings. Barack appears to have always been soulless………and never having had a reflection in the mirror.

      • Mary

        I think we’ve learned that Barak Obama will do ANYTHING to win.

        Much like he did in Chicago.

        And I think we all know that his failure to “clean up corruption” in Chicago proves that he’ll do very little to clean up anything in Washington DC.

        He CULTIVATES relationships with the power brokers, for his own ambition.

        No thank you. He’s nothing new.

    • so saddened

      truer words were never said.

      and to think that obambi actually has the gall to say that the more people get to know him the more they like him!

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

  • Lorelynn

    Crooked Talk Express? hmmmm, I own the domain name crookedtalkmccain. If Obama’s the nominee, I won’t bother to use it on anything.

    I can’t believe. Who knew there were so many hateful Dems?

    • stodghie

      go look in a mirror!

      • Genevieve LeFevre

        she doesn’t have a reflection in the mirror, either.

  • http://musingonobama.blogspot.com portia9

    I agree wholeheartedly with this entry except for one point: Obama as the nominee is not the lesser of two evils. I don’t think I can vote for McCain, but I know I can’t ever vote for Obama.

    • jwrjr

      I an inclined to agree. I would not like to vote for McCain … unless the alternative was worse. Like Obama.

  • Faust

    Also – to be clear, I’m not disrespecting Sen Hillary Clinton. At all. I do admire her. I do like her. I simply do not prefer her to be President, for a variety of reasons. If anyone would like to have a sane discussion, I’m up for it.

    What I don’t understand is this hate towards Obama. It seems to come straight from the reptilian brain that I normally associate with Republicans. I refuse to believe that you’re all secretly McCain supporters – the irony would be great, but I have more faith than that – so I just don’t get it. It’s not like he’s behind in the States won.. Or the Delegates won.. Or the Superdelegates. I know the Popular Vote argument .. but living in Minnesota, a state that had a caucus in which every participant was counted, I’d like to have my vote count. We did, after all, stay within the rules before the contest started.

    • stodghie

      yeah! right! those talking points are being watered down now in the hopes we are as dumb as ya’ll.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Believe it.

      Because that is what will sustain you through the Fall, when your Obama character loses his ass.

      He’ll be happy. All he wanted to do was destroy Hillary.

      He never really even wanted to be president.

      He’s a destructor. Not a builder.

      • Faust

        For what reason was his goal to only destroy Hillary? To what ends? To elect John McCain? To have himself elected … and then to destroy America? Why is he hatching evil plans? When he graduated from Harvard he could have done anything – yet he goes into community organizing while working part time for a University. Was he biding his time? Building an army?

        Why would a person go through the absolute hell he has gone through – the death threats to both him and his family – for the express reason of “destroying Hillary Clinton”?

        I’m not making fun, or being insulting. But these are delusional, illogical thoughts.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7J0f5TMrQ Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

          Faust, seriously take your self and go drown in your obama koolaid.

          Serious discussion about the merits of the candidates my ass.

          You fail at earning your 25 cents a post you paid obama blog troll.

          Seriously go choke on some arugala.

        • anna shane

          to win the primary? Everyone thinks, and I hope rightly, that anyone can beat a pug this time, so the only one that matters is this primary. He’s trying to win?

    • A

      No, it actually comes from Obama’s behavior.

      ..deeming the Clinton’s racists
      ..Calling anyone who won’t vote for him racist.
      ..His affiliation with .that .hate .church.
      ..His BS RFK smear.
      ..The hideous sexism in his campaign.
      ..His apologizing for Republicans at the expense of Democrats
      ..David Axelrod.
      ..Disenfranchisment of MI/FL.
      ..Donna Brazille.

      And the list goes on.

      We have reasons to dislike Obama. And reasons not to want him to be elected. I will work against the man. And I’ve never voted for a Republican in my life.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Ditto. I’ve never seen a Democratic candidate be so divisive in my life.

        He has done what Rove dreamed of doing. LOL*

        We now are even looking at down-ticket. We now are examining our own party.

        Woe be unto those who just thought they had their votes locked up.

        I’m taking a list and checking it twice.

        I want these creeps out of government.

        I want to see real public service, which means…..THINK!

    • HARP

      You want to follow the rules. Follow these rules and take them to back to kos or whatever other galaxy you came from.

      ule 11.A. of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention states the following:
      11. TIMING OF THE DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS
      A. No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.

      We already know that Florida and Michigan violated Rule 11.A. by moving their primaries to a date before the first Tuesday in February. There is no argument there, but what about Iowa, New Hampshire, and yes, South Carolina too.

      Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as “no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February” (Iowa), “no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February” (New Hampshire), and “no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February” (South Carolina).
      Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That’s more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That’s more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February. And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That’s more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.

      Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the Democratic National Committee’s Delegate Selection Rules, and as such, all five states should have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.

      Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state’s delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state’s delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.

      Yes, you read that right; under Rule 20.C.1.a., Florida, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, and South Carolina would have all lost their super delegates and had their pledged delegates reduced by half since they all violated Rule 11.A.

      However, Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina weren’t punished fairly. In fact, they weren’t punished at all.
      And what about Florida & Michigan?
      Well, we all know what happened to them.

      Instead of strictly adhering to Rule 20.C.1.a. and reducing their pledged delegates by 50%, the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee decided to take it a step further. The DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee exercised the authority granted to them by Rules 20.C.5. and 20.C.6. which allowed them to “impose sanctions the Committee deems appropriate.” And what were those sanctions the Committee deemed appropriate? Stripping two of the largest states in the union of all their votes at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

      Ladies & Gentlemen, this is what happens when the rules aren’t applied equally and fairly. And as I said before, this mess is a result of the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee not applying the rules equally and fairly.
      So, the next time someone starts talking about the rules, might I suggest two courses of action:

      1.) Read the damn rules first!
      -and-
      2.) Let them know that the rules were bent to allow for Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina to keep their preferred first-in-the-nation status.

      • Faust

        Whatever galaxy? I’m from Superior, Wisconsin; currently living in St. Paul, Mn. I Democrat. A pretty liberal one, but I keep an open mind.

        New Hampshire has it in their state constitution that they must be the first primary in the nation. They are bound by that to move it ahead. Regardless, all 3 were waived by the DNC before the nomination process started. It is a fact that the Clinton campaign does not dispute.

        The rules were signed off by all participants of the Democratic Party nomination contest. They were agreed to by all parties, unanimously.

        Do I agree that those 3 should always go 1st? Absolutely not. But the time to argue for such things is before the process starts, not in the middle and not when it’s about to end. Every single person involved in every campaign knew the rules when it started. The Party, as a private organization, makes their own rules as they see fit. And as long as everyone is in agreement when the nomination process begins – as they were – then there’s no bending or breaking or anything with those rules.

        Now, if you want to discuss how to change how the nomination is done in 2012, then let’s do it. But 2008 is set, and the Party did not change the rules they made to benefit Obama half way through the process. Why should they do so to benefit Clinton?

        • lost in fla

          Regardless, all 3 were waived by the DNC before the nomination process started.

          I believe you are wrong on this point. As pointed out in this article by BTD over at Talk Left on Wednesday

          The Famous DNC “Waivers” For the 4 Early States

          In fact, they did not until AFTER they had scheduled their primaries in violation of DNC Rule 11, which was never formally amended. According to the DNC Memo of today, this makes these “waivers” against the DNC Rules. But worse than that, there is nothing in the circumstances of those waivers that are in any way different from the Florida situation. In short, the rules are rules for the DNC, except when they are not.

          The national party had tried – before New Hampshire’s case wound up on its docket – to leave the impression that zero tolerance was automatic once violations of the schedule occur. Back in June, a DNC spokeswoman, for example, told the Associated Press that neither Dean nor the Rules Committee “has the power to waive the rules for any state,” explaining that “these rules can be changed only by the full DNC.” Yet a few months later, on the same day that the Rules Committee stripped Michigan of its delegates, it waived the rules for New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina, each of which had also moved up their primaries.

          (Emphasis supplied.) The DNC Memo issued today has no explanation for how this could possibly comply with the rules while it stands by its position that the RBC can not seat the full delegations for Florida and Michigan on May 31. Why can’t a “waiver” be issued on May 31? This is an unanswerable question for the DNC.

          Though Dawson and others on Rules [and Bylaws Committee] now say, as they did in recent interviews, that states whose contests were always scheduled before February 5 were free to shift dates without sanction, that’s not what the delegate selection rules adopted in 2006 say. Those rules provided an automatic 50 percent loss of delegates for any state party that moved its contest to any day “prior to or after the dates” spelled out by the DNC.

          And indeed, the DNC Memo now says that such waivers were not allowable. That is the problem with the DNC Memo. It puts Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina in violation of Rule 11. It is a position that simply is untenable.

          And here from the horse’s mouth, were the rules changing before our very eyes:

          Rules powerhouse Donna Brazile said she would “grudgingly support the waiver,” warning New Hampshire shortly before the December committee vote that “the days of ‘privilege’ may end soon.”

          Not only did “first-primary-or-die” New Hampshire switch from January 22 to January 8, it moved ahead of Nevada, whose January 19 caucus had been deliberately scheduled by the DNC to precede New Hampshire’s. But New Hampshire’s Democrats got a DNC waiver because their back was up against the wall, due to a decision by the South Carolina Republican Party to move its primary up to January 19.

          http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/28/211834/452

          • workingclass artist

            That was hard to read….It was vertically challenging…

      • ELlen

        Why do you refuse to believe what has been discussed a hundred times? Those four states received permission to move their primaries up AFTER FL and MI scheduled their primaries…they had the okay to go ahead from the DNC. FL and MI did NOT! For various rules, those four states had the right and permission to hold their primaries prior to Feb 5th…no other state did.

        • Genevieve LeFevre

          It has been wrongly discussed 100 x then, because the rules say the DNC and Howard Dean and Donna B do NOT have the authority to waive the rules for some states regardless of their archaic privileges in our nominating process. Only amending the rules or holding a formal committee meeting determining that the states in violation of the rules did all they could to comply can accomplish a “waiver.” That is not the case here. All five states broke the rules.

    • Susan1968

      Faust is defintely a paid Obama blogger.

      The talking points are woven in.

      I know marketing logic when I see it.

      Admit it Faust — you’re on the BO payroll.

      Your mission — to seek out Hillary supporters who say they will not vote for BO in the general, say nce things about Clinton and guilt us into “unity” for the sake of the DNC.

      Sorry, no.

      • HARP

        Vote for BO. I would rather be water boarded.

      • HARP

        Go back and tell your boss that you have met a superior force and you have FAILED ON YOUR MISSION.

      • Daniel Carver

        Ive seen Faust’s arguments word for word on other blogs. He just copies and pastes the same crap that’s sent to him, along with a healthy paycheck from his Dark Master, Barack X, I’m sure. Note how he doesn’t even respond to the questions he’s asked. Just like BO, unwilling to listen. 67 percent of the states Barack X won in the primary/caucus are Republican states and will never go Democratic, let alone a black. He has flip-flopped on every one of his positions. His “Gangsta” style caucus system is a joke with college age punks and unemployed AAs who have nothing to do except usurp the will of hardworking Americans, so that the wealth of this nation can be returned to them as entitlements and reparation. When this nightmare reaches its final stage, we most all consider that Barack X is the most liberal senator in the US Senate, and he’ll fill congress with even more of his type. Let it be known that Barack X has STOLEN his speeches straight from the pages of JFK and RFK and the rest he stole from Hillary. He is a plagiarist and a thief, stealing this nomination from Hillary. He is a typical thug stealing what does not belong to him.

        So take that message back to your Dark Master.

        • Fred C. Dobbs

          His work looks like he’s not likely to be compensated off the top line of Scale for Obamabots.

          Maybe a coupla cases of Cheetos, a pallet of Jolt Cola and a dozen 750′s of store brand vodka for his poor mother, from whose basement he blogs.

      • Faust

        Susan – I wish that were so. I’m no more that than you are a paid McCain operative.

        I’m just a Democrat. I get my paycheck from a CEO that is so Republican that it makes me want to puke sometimes…. But I have no ties with any campaign. Sorry…

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7J0f5TMrQ Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

          Troll Alert. Faust is a paid obama blogger. Ignore Him.

          • workingclass artist

            Faust must have studied in the US….his english is pretty good for you average Obama troll from GAZA….Maybe he’s a corporal…

        • anna shane

          i take your word for it. I think the paid bloggers are required to admit it if asked directly or reflect badly on their employer. I’ll vote for the nominee, but that won’t be enough to get him elected and I’m from a state that is more than solidly Democratic. What I see and wrote about isn’t limited to me, it’s very widespread and must be at least considered by his campaign. We’re not pugs, but we feel like we’re being destroyed along with Hillary. He makes some mean-spirited joke, like the ones he made on Jon Stewart, and I can blush, all women of a certain age have come to recognize the ways we’re diminished by ambitious men who want the same job we’re trying for. He’s gone too far, it’s gratuitous and looks to me like he’s enjoying diminishing her so much it’s unseemly, a huge turn-off. At the same time he has his own problems, and it seems so contrived to blame his ‘negatives’ on her. She’s running for president, not against.

    • Amy

      Yes but SC and NH did not and they weren’t punished and it seems to me that someone that wants to have a sane conversation regarding the candidates would refrain from using divisive comments like reptilian brain.

  • greg

    What is the basis for supporting Obama? Make your case. On the issues – both Hillary and Obama talk similar goals with the exception of health care – but what has Obama accomplished to make you think he know how or could accomplish any of these policy goals? Anyone on this blog can make the same policy statements but I doubt if any of us could get those goals accomplished. Why do you think Obama can get the job done?

    • Faust

      Greg – Obviously to bring up Ayers, Wright, and that new one, whatever, you’re not going to be open to much reason. The people in the Clinton’s history can not simply be wished away while damning Obama with the people he knows. And some of the shady characters are much closer to him than Ayers was. A man who has been reformed. A man who, in his youth, got too crazy with what he believed and went about trying to change the times around him in the wrong way. Wright was his Pastor – he is not the man himself. I have many friends that I don’t see eye-to-eye with on a lot of topics. Some are my best friends. But to dismiss the service that he gave to his country first in uniform then in the church and through belief is too insulting for my taste.

      I support Obama simply because he won the campaign. I’m a Democrat. I do not come into my support holding the belief that Barak Obama is evil incarnate. I simply do not see it. I pay attention very closely. I simply do not see it.

      Is he the most experienced? No. But that’s not what the country wants. Is the most decorated? No. But that’s not what the country wants. Is he the best person for the job? Yes. Why? By virtue of winning the contest.

      I support Obama because he was able to cut through the crap that Ari Fletcher and Scott McClellon and the White House was selling on Iraq. From the beginning. He didn’t take the politically expedient route – and if you believe that being against that war was a good place to be when you’re a politician in 2002, you revising history in breathtaking ways, and Karl Rove would be very happy to know it.

      I’m not a Kool Aid drinker. I don’t think he’s the second coming of Christ that will solve all of our problems. But what he has shown is an ability to learn, very quickly.

      He’s not evil. He’s not here to destroy America from the inside out, just as Hillary isn’t going to destroy the Democratic Party for the sake of her own power tripping.

      He’s the nominee of the political party I belong to and vote for. He’s not perfect. I have hopes that we can drag him further to the left – I’m a fucking liberal. That’s why I’ll vote for him, and will start an argument to try and get others to see the same thing. Even if I’m not especially welcome.

      I’m not blind to the fact that Hillary has a large amount of support. And I’m not stupid enough to believe that they’re all against Obama simply because he’s got black skin. What I don’t get is why it’s become so difficult for Hillary supporters to realize that what’s at stake is a lot more important than just having Hillary elected.

      And for the record – if the roles were reversed, I’d be saying the same things on an Obama board. I don’t believe in Barak. I believe that the Democratic Party is the best vehicle to ensure true equality within America, and that for the first time in a very long time, a true Progressive vision can move this country forward. John McCain simply can’t. He won’t.

      • greg

        You said, “I support Obama simply because he won the campaign.” In fact the campaign is still going on.

        You said, “He didn’t take the politically expedient route – and if you believe that being against that war was a good place to be when you’re a politician in 2002.”
        What? Are you ignorant of the positions of all the candidates he was running against? He never voted against the war. He voted with every one of his votes in the Senate to support the war.

        You said, “What I don’t get is why it’s become so difficult for Hillary supporters to realize that what’s at stake is a lot more important than just having Hillary elected.”

        I ( and possibly we) do not want Hillary elected period. I want Hillary because she is the best candidate for America and the World.

        I would address your other points but they are just empty talking points. You do not know Obama’s political record and do seem like a paid blogger.

        But, just for the record, PLEASE tell me how you support a candidate for President of the United States with little experience, no political record, no accomplishments, etc. not to mention the point of this entire blog – Obama treats women and other people in an unacceptable manner. He does not deserve to be President any more than Bush deserved to be appointed President.

        • Faust

          Greg – thanks for the back and forth. I really do appreciate this, even if I don’t change your mind. It’s good to talk.

          The campaign is still going on. You are right, and it’s presumptive of me to say otherwise. My support in that regard is that, because of the rules as they were agreed upon, he is the likely nominee. But he is not yet. And if that changes, then my support will change as well. Again, I have nothing against Hillary.

          I’m not ignorant of their positions. Kucinich and Gravel were the anti-war candidates. The Senators all had voted, except Obama who obviously wasn’t present. However, in 2002, while State Senator, he did give speeches denouncing. I have no allusions that he is Howard Dean.

          As for funding – Its something I’m not excited about, but obviously there are no other choices. I’m not in the military. My best friend when I was in Jr High, though, is in the Army. He just came back from his 3rd tour. He goes there voluntarily, not because he agrees with the war but because he believes the men he serves with. For me, it’s not morally unacceptable to be against the war and voting to fund it. Those guys are screwed enough with what’s happening there. I do know how bad it is there, because we keep in contact enough.

          And in fact, I actually prefer Clinton’s position on bringing the troops back than Obama’s. I hope he shamelessly steals it, because it’s the better position. It’s the more right position.

          Okay – why I support him: I disagree on the point of him having no accomplishments. I believe he has accomplished a great deal, albeit in a local level. I can not argue that he has prior experience, certainly not as deep as Hillary might have. But I also don’t believe that disqualifies him for the job. I don’t believe that he is stupid. I don’t believe his motives are bad. Its been said here already in this thread that the positions of the two are very close. I believe that he can thread the divide to get the work done. I like his ideas, and I like that he’s able to, in a thoughtful manner, change them when it makes sense to. I wish he’d be more forceful, but we’re getting signs of that when he’s going against McCain.

          I get the point of the blog. My point of view is different. I don’t see him as disrespectful towards women. Does he come off as aloof? Yes, I can see that.

          Ultimately, it’s not going to be up to me to change your mind about him. I know that. But I don’t see what ya’ll are seeing. I very much disagree with the tone and tenor of the original post; so much so I need to explore why the opposing view-point is so strong. I will look more closely at this blog, I’ll do it with an open mind and with no blinders on. All I hope in return is that everyone does that, too.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7J0f5TMrQ Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

            I am Bacrock Haysoos Oblahblah and I approve this message which is the talking points i distribute to my new armoy of 400 paid bloggers.

            • workingclass artist

              Funny that….uncle Jerry

      • greg

        In fact the campaign is still going on and therefore your entire premise is wrong.

        You said, “He didn’t take the politically expedient route – and if you believe that being against that war was a good place to be when you’re a politician in 2002.”
        What? Are you ignorant of the positions of all the candidates he was running against? He never voted against the war. He voted with every one of his votes in the Senate to support the war.

        You said, “What I don’t get is why it’s become so difficult for Hillary supporters to realize that what’s at stake is a lot more important than just having Hillary elected.”

        I ( and possibly we) do not want Hillary elected just because she is Hillary. I want Hillary elected because she is the best candidate for America and the World.

        I would address your other points but they are just empty talking points. You do not know Obama’s political record and do seem like a paid blogger.

        But, just for the record, PLEASE tell me how you support a candidate for President of the United States with little experience, no political record, no accomplishments, etc. not to mention the point of this entire blog – Obama treats women and other people in an unacceptable manner. He does not deserve to be President any more than Bush deserved to be appointed President.

      • Arius

        Jesus, I guess this is a bad night to stop in on this site. First I read 2 blog posts I find very disappointing and a waste of my time, then I come across your utter ______ and ______.

        Ignorance: destitute of knowledge or education also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified. unaware uninformed

        Stupid: slow of mind; given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner

        You get the gist of it. There are so many errors of thought in your post, it’s not worth even attempting to enlighten you on the errors of your …. like it says above, “comprehension”.

        If you don’t know by now why Barry should not be elected president, then you are already too deep into your bush-sheep-obamabot haze.

        By the way you are CLUELESS on the facts regarding Hillary’s vote on the war. As for the ppl not to see Obiewon was NOT in Washington at the time and did not have access to the same info, insiders and documents as the REAL Senate did when they made their decisions, and to compare that to him sitting in Illinois with an ‘opinion’.. is just ridiculous. You know NOTHING of what actions Hillary took befor she voted for the war..

        Obama is a danger to this country. He’s playing his black race card to the hilt. He’s unqualified and no candidate of either party, black or white, male or female would have EVER gotten away with his resume and dirt in his closet and still gotten as far as he has in this race.. no candidate anywhere would have gotten this far without a manipulated (planned) cult like following.

        I just can’t deal with Obamabots – I’m not into blind cults.

        I too am wondering just what campaign he won. The idiot biased sexist media wrote off EVERY other candidate after Iowa. If you don’t believe it go rewatch the news coverage that night. He was the chosen one, fk all those qualified others!

        I just friggin love that comment.. “he won ” LOL!! he won some red states that will remain red, he won some caucuses with illegal tactics that were documented. He won with obamabots not letting Clinton supportes into the caucuses to vote. He won with dirty tactics and harrassment of voters at many caucuses WELL DOCUMENTED.

        You don’t seem to really care about the truth.

      • Bonniejean

        Your comments sound very strange to me, Faust. For more than a year, I have read political blogs and rarely commented because, for the most part, it has been difficult to engage those who write vile and vicious epitaphs about a woman, former First Lady and Senator. We stopped watching MSNBC and CNN (see remarks by Cafferty) after it became apparent no one in the executive offices of those cable news channels was willing to call a halt to the sexist attacks against Sen. Clinton. The silence from the Democratic Party has been deafening. I have probably been a Democrat longer than you. I chose the Party long ago because the ideas espoused were mine and I believed in the integrity of it’s members. I have never for one moment believed in it’s perfection. How could I? I witnessed the 1968 convention where Mayor Daley called out the storm troopers on the anti-war protesters. Ending the war, cleaning up the environment, a woman’s right to chose are important life and death issues and I have supported all. But I have found, after recent soul searching, there is something more important. It is a simple idea. Every person in this country and others around the world, are born with the rights of dignity and self respect. When the nomination of a presidential candidate becomes a circus of outright lies and the politics of personal destruction, my allegiance ends. We all know what we’re talking about here and I believe, in spite of your seemingly reasonable post, you also know the truth, but you are willing to keep your silence as well. i don’t believe you. With every sentence you write, I can hear deception and I wonder if you are one of those who have cursed Sen. Clinton, called her vulgar names and laughed at the crude jokes. This is not just an election. It is an attempt by certain member of the Party to take control and their tactics have demonstrated they do not deserve the loyalty or donations from those of us who have supported it for many years. If they succeed, I will leave the party and those things my generation fought for to the New Coalition. What you consider a victory for Sen. Obama will be hollow when you understand the struggle to put the pieces back together you and your candidate have so blithely thrown away.

      • ownaa

        I hated it when people who support obama say they are liberal or left. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese go away and leave the left as we know it be

      • Genevieve LeFevre

        When was Ayers ever reformed? At least the two WU radicals Clinton pardoned served their 16 years in the clinker. They were reformed. Ayers and Dohrn were fugitives from justice. Ayers’ rich father who sits on the boards for Commonwealth Edison, the Tribune and Northwestern University hired a hotshot attorney to get his son’s charges dropped. Then he got his son a prestigious teacher’s position at an NU subsidiary, U. of Chicago. Ayers and Dohrn had married and were now throwing Hyde Park dinners for Rashid Khalidi who funneled money to the PLO. Ayers said in an interview on Sept. 11, 2001 for the NYT, he wished he’d blown up more buildings. Where did I miss the part where he is reformed? Not actively in the bombing business anymore… with the Khalidi connection, even that’s debatable. And Obama and Ayers’ good friend Rezko got his money from former Saddam Hussein bagman Nadhmi Auchi. Obama couldn’t even pass the security to be a janitor in a federal building, and you want to elect him President?

    • anna shane

      i think Barack doing nothing is preferable to John doing anything? He’s totally bent, and Barack is just a creep?

  • greg

    And while you are thinking of an answer, please address why you think the items described in this blog do not disqualify Obama to be the Democratic nominee. My guess is that if a Republican candidate behaved this way towards a female republican candidate you and everyone else here and in the Democratic Party would be outraged. We would all be united to defeat this type of candidate. How can dems just accept this behavior?

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      My perspective is that Hillary has always been the icon for America, the ultimate “woman.” As such, she’s bashed, trashed, and idolized.

      That is why I wasn’t so furious for a long time. I understood her particular challenge in our society. She is, of course, the brightest, the best prepared, but she also was, also, a very special candidate.

      She is iconclastic.

      She overcame this. I’m impressed. I didn’t think she would. But …….she did.

      I don’t think any icon is treated fairly. Obama is like some idiot running for office. He’s just such a bozo. He misses opportunities to win people.

      Honestly, all he has going for him is the ability to emcee a rally.

      He’s such a lightweight.

      She is a beacon, however, of real hope. What encourages me is that people started off being too discouraged to truly hope. She turned the dang nation around.

      She is ending on a huge high note, and I think we all feel uplifted by that.

      She really has given it her all. And if she can do it, so can wel.

      That’s the beauty of this season.

      She managed to turn our thinking around….and she’ll probably lose anyway.

      But that’s the mark of a true leader.

      She’s a politician, of course.

      But we matter more.

      • greg

        I agree with your comments on Hillary. But I just never thought Dems would ever support a candidate that treated women the way Obama and his campaign has this year.

        I supported Gore in 2000, but was really taken aback by the way bush and rove treated McCain. It reminds me of how Faux News and many conservatives are saying some positive things about Hillary and complaining about her treatment in the press and by the Obama campaign. If Republican conservatives are out raged by the treatment of Hillary please tell me how Democrats are supporting him.

        • Fred C. Dobbs

          Given the crap that Shrubbie and the Boys slung onto McCain in 2000, I can conclude only one thing:

          The fact that McCain appears with the dunce in public and doesn’t publicly call him, “Bitch,” means either he’s lacking in scrotal fortitude or The Boys cut him a, “Can’t Lose, October Surprise-Proof,” gimmick.

          I think it’ll be naval aviation strikes against Iranian Rev Guards sites in September, but them if I was smart, I’d be rich and screwing a movie star this evening and not blogging from my Study in Pickup Truck Gulch.

          • workingclass artist

            Keep buyin them lottery tickets Fred….Then you can be rich and get you a starlet….chuckle…

      • Faust

        AnninCA – I totally get you there. She is iconoclastic. I just don’t believe that this campaign has diminished that at all.

        But the amount of vitriol and just plain shit flung at her over the years does piss me off.

        For what it’s worth – and maybe its not much – I will be seeing my oldest sister for the first time in a couple month tomorrow. She’s a very strong Hillary supporter. She’s also among the strongest women I have known. I have nothing personally against Hillary, and if I ever gave indication otherwise my sister would kick my ass. If she had the nomination all but wrapped up, I would be completely in her court. 100%. And while that’s easy enough to say on a message board – it took me 3 years to take off that Kerry/Edwards sticker on my car. I simply refuse to believe that the Democratic Party would, at this time, nominate someone who was bent on destroying not just America, but everything that it believes in. Maybe I’m naive… but I don’t think so.

        But she won’t be the last. I have no doubt that she is a trail blazer and it’s going to be much easier for the next woman to run for President. I would have no problem voting for her, and if events turn that she is the name on the ballot in November, I’m not going to think twice about it.

        I know i’m not particularly welcome here. I never have been in the position of being the troll, because it just seems to be a waste of time. But the disconnect that I feel from other Democrats right now – including my sister – has been hurting my heart for a while. If I don’t reach across the divide … Well, I just can’t help but to.

        Anyway, Daniel – I just write a lot. I’m trying to keep up. I’m not an operative trying to fuck around with things here. I’m just a guy. I’m not cutting and pasting – I’m actually thinking for myself. I’m just trying to understand.

        Greg – I’m not saying this hasn’t been a rough campaign. I’ve been watching it, breathing it, since Kerry lost on Nov 2nd. I set my heart on Dean in early 2003 and got crushed in 2004. I didn’t do that again this year. So honestly – I don’t see anything below-board with what Obama’s said and done to Clinton. Certainly nothing that I’d say was absolutely discussing, and certainly nothing that Clinton hasn’t returned in kind. These politics have been completely full-contact, and I think both sides have said questionable things. It happens, especially when you have the dynamics that you have in this election. It was a powder keg waiting to go off, and it did. I think it did with the media’s help.

        I’m sorry if I am coming across as bombastic. I just feel passionately that we have to find a way to put aside our differences, and to at least keep the door open so that our country can move forward. I also know it won’t be tonight.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7J0f5TMrQ Jeremiah “God Damn AmeriKKKA” Wright

          No Obama, Not Now, Not Tomorrow, Not Ever.

          Hillary or McCain

          No Other Option.

          Your Talking Points are on other blogs verbatim.

          Try to be a bit more creative as a paid obama troll.

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          I hear you. I’m not making my mind up until November. Right now, I’m concerned that Obama is woefully inadequate in the necessary skills to be president.

          I definitely wouldn’t decide while I’m still so stirred up. Retaliation is not a good motive for any action, or so I’ve learned in life. I had a bad habit of that in my youth. *haha I’ve not yet seen those actions as the ones I’m proud about.

          However, the lack of judgment in Obama takes my breath away. Just look at the pettiness of comparing Ferarro, who fought for civil rights her entire life, to Wright. Look now at the way he’s petty and dismisses the obvious opportunity to speak up on behalf of Hillary and make an effort.

          That pettiness, I believe deeply, exists in a lot of high-powered people. It can literally start wars. I will always believe that Bush’s deep motives in Iraq were based on just such ego pettiness. I believe he believes differently. I believe he sincerely feels he did the right thing. I believe he is unable to see himself clearly.

          I see the same trait in Obama. We need grown-ups in office.

          My son and I put politics on hold for awhile, by the way. That way we can enjoy one another and not fuss. :)

    • anna shane

      that’s the big question. I stopped donating to the DNC and wrote to Howard why. Five months ago I asked him to address the sexism and to lecture Barack and censor him if he didn’t knock it off.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Truthteller

    I never thought of Obama as paranoid and schizophrenic. Allow me to meditate on this, for I think you are correct. This is an incisive essay.

    • anna shane

      he’s not schizophrenic, he shows either paranoia or stupidly by keeping this stuff up. He is always focusing on her and acting like anything she says is really about him, that’s paranoid.

  • greg

    Faust:

    You support Obama because he won? Won what? The campaign is still going on.

    This must be the new Obama talking point. Obama ran a racist misogynist campaign against Hillary and now wants to kiss and make up. Ha.

    • so saddened

      greg, i’m reading faust’s comments the same way. although he says a lot, his bottom line keeps coming down to “he won.”

      even ignoring the premature nature of that conclusion, “he won” is hardly a valid reason for supporting someone. faust says that he can’t believe the democratic party would nominate someone bent on destroying the country – perhaps so – but clearly the party is more than happy to nominate someone who is completely unprepared and who harbors views that are antagonistic to democratic values, apparently based on little more than clinton derangement syndrome combined with thirst for power. if faust cannot believe in such cynical motivations, he is indeed naive, despite his protestations to the contrary.

      in any event, faust is entitled to his opinion. and i will not call him racist for it, even though i’ve been called racist and feminazi merely because i do not support obama.

      i do agree that “he won” seems to be the latest obama campaign talking point. and a weak one, it is.

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

      • Faust

        so saddened – Thanks for not calling me a racist. I promise I won’t do the same to you. I would never, not ever, call anyone a feminazi. For one thing, that’s a Rush Limbaugh puke-point. For another, it’s fucking rude.

        I do write alot. Sorry. I’m getting tired, and I have a hard time not doing that anyway.

        Frankly, my point is, “he won”. I’m not a wild-eyed idealist anymore. If that goes against the stereotype of the “Obamabot” or whatever cute phrase is in vogue, well tough. I’m cynical as hell. I want us to win. I know we can’t when the Party is divided like this. I simply do not see why there is so much hate towards Obama. Educate me. I understand the racists. That term gets flung around because of the dynamics of the last few contests . It’s a cop-out bullshit excuse, and while I am seeing some racists comments in this thread … well, I get that. I don’t get the other hate. I just .. don’t.

        After 8 years of this bullshit presidency, and another 4 years coming in the form of McCain – who I think is going to win, as much as it pisses me off to believe – I just want to win. We can’t while we’re divided. If the American public votes in John McCain, I truly believe we’ll get what we deserve. And when he reinstates the draft, I really fear my nieces who are that age are going to be covered under it. To repeat: Yes, I believe that when the draft comes back – and it will under McCain, he’s too militaristic not to – it will include women. It’s a more equal world now, after all.

        • so saddened

          faust, i’m very very tired, so do not have the energy to discuss this issue any more. it’s almost 3am where i am (the hour that hillary is qualified to answer the phone and obama isn’t). however, once you raise the phony draft issue, it’s almost as though you’d raised the phony s ct issue. you’ve lost credibility with me.

          good night and good luck to you with your unqualified candidate.

          if you’re truly interested in why he’s unqualified, there’s more than enough information out there. if you’re just blogging to try to convince hillary’s supporters not to vote for mccain, you’re wasting your time.

          i’m trying very hard to be polite, but must go to sleep now.

          regardless of whether you understand or not –

          hillary or mccain. no other option.

        • elise

          Your comments seem strange to me. I have been reading political blogs for over a year now, but I seldom reply because it seems pointless to engage in conversation with some one writing the vile and vicious things written about a woman, former First Lady and Senator. We have stopped watching MSNBC and CNN (see Cafferty) and wondered when the management of these cable news channels would hear and stop the noise. I’ve waited months for the leaders of the Democratic Party to express shock or revulsion toward Russert, Mathews, Olbermann and their commentators.I have waited for Sen. Obama to speak clearly to his supporters and tell them you are sowing the wind. The silence is deafening. I am sure I have been a Democrat longer than you and I am under no illusion about the imperfections. How could I not know? I was witness to the 1968 convention when Mayor Daley called the storm troopers to quell anti war protesters. But, the Party represented my views on ending the war, a woman’s right to choose and protecting the environment. There is, however, something more important. The right of every human being to dignity and self respect. We all know the truth here about the circus this election has become. I am sure, in spite of your reasonable post, you know as well. With every sentence you wrote, I could hear the vulgar name calling, the politics of personal destruction and I wonder if you are one of those. Maybe you have heard the silence and it tears at your heart also. Or, maybe you are nothing more than a shill, changing your approach after a belated realization the other way doesn’t work? This has not been an honest attempt to find the candidate best able to win in November. And it is not completely about Sen. Obama. This is, first and foremost, a coup in the Democratic Party for power. Pelosi, Reid, Dean, Brazil and others have put all their chips on the table and they are all in. It is not something they can fix now. Sen. Obama will, with the help of their manipulation, win the nomination and will lose to John McCain in November because there are counter insurgents who will not allow their struggle and hard work to be hijacked. This will have no happy ending. It will end in the convention without acclimation or party unity. It is the job of the superdelegates to cast their vote in good conscience for the person they believe can carry the banner to victory, but Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Donna Brazil and others have seen fit to tell them to ignore this imperative and vote for the candidate they have chosen. Every insult hearled at Sen. Clinton has wounded her supporters. You can’t go back and change anything so it can never be the way you envisioned. I am sure you will never understand completley what happened when McCain wins Fl,Mi, WV,Kt Hispanics, blue collar workers and women because you will never understand the simple fact of self respect and an inability vote for your cantidar because he is trying to deprive us of what we most need.Iam sorry for us all.

          elise

        • anna shane

          read my essay, that’s why. No one likes to be jeered and sneered, on issues okay, if you’re being accurate, but on her character. He’s said she’d to anything to be elected, she’s dishonest, she’s in bed with special interests with no objective analysis of how any of her votes went against Democratic core values, no matter which donator wasn’t helped? Different people look at this contest through different realities and a uniter would know that and not offend half of al of us (or more) who voted for her and obviously see her as a fine person.

      • HillaryMadamePresident

        Yes, and Barry’s boyz are coming out of the woodwork tonight. It truly makes me ill.
        I fed them on an earlier thread…but no more. Whoever used the word “disingenious” tonight to describe them was spot on.

  • Stray

    Bush put the handcuffs on us.Barack Hussein Obama will through the keys away.To much power To quick To someone so untried.That much power in the hands of a rookie?Nice message of change his ultimate lie.Sounds like hitler to me.
    Obama’s record does not show enough experience, desire or commitment.To undo the trespass of Bush.

    Obama will be the Anti Christ if not by purpose then he will be by accident.

  • Amelia

    This was an excellent post. If the Obama guy doesn’t get it after reading Ms. Shane’s post he’ll never get it.

    It’s about character. Obama is an authoritarian. He uses “smears and jeers” to attack people. He rents mobs (see Children’s Museum story). He paid people to carry signs in South Carolina. He implicitly approves of the thuggish activities of his supporters at the Texas caucuses. And what was up with Gary Indiana? His people threaten to riot at the Convention if they don’t get their way. He browbeats superdelegates with ruining their careers (see Emmanuel Cleaver). He tries to shut down dissent–any attack is racist (and now anyone who attacks his wife is sexist????) He can’t tolerate criticism.

    He has the emotional maturity of a three year old–see his Jay Z routine.

    He comes from a very corrupt background in Chicago. He gets his way by spreading the money around. He’s bought superdelegates.

    He doesn’t care about policy, that’s why he’s a regular gaffe machine. He hasn’t bothered to educate himself on the issues. He doesn’t seem to read books on the issues. He’s barely bothered to show up in the Senate. He’s as shallow as shallow can be. That’s why he always says “me too” to whatever Hillary said in a debate — because he hasn’t thought about policy like she has.

    All of his statements about issues are either knee-jerk simplistic anti-Bush or a panderfest. He’s been on all sides of the abortion issue, and on both sides of Israel/Palestine. He’s been pandering to the evangelicals for a long time–with that flyer with the cross, the “sanctity of sexuality” comment, etc. He’s probably just trying to show he can “take them out” like he said at the beginning he was going to do to Hillary.

    He lies all the time, and in a disturbingly casual way. He lied about Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Rashidi, taking money from lobbyists, when he gave his anti-war speech (casually said when running for US Senate) his parents met in Selma, he was raised by a single mother on food stamps, the list is endless. His biography is fiction. Either he doesn’t know who he is or he’s just a con man.

    He’s set race relations way back. He calls people racists over nothing. As Obama himself said, in relation to Wright, that kind of talk gives license to people who pray on hate. And ironically he could care less about issues involving race, or he’s too much of a coward to take a stand. He’s had six different positions on mandatory minimums, wouldn’t touch Jena LA or Sean Bell, or the war on drugs, his statements on affirmative action are incoherent, etc.

    And as the poster said, he’s consumed with hatred of Hillary Clinton. He’d rather express that hatred than win over her voters. In fact he’s demonized her voters as much as her. Really stupid. That’s why his minions have said he’s creating a new party without us. So why should we vote for him if he doesn’t want us in his party?

  • Faust

    I’m going to continue to lurk, but I think I’ve written myself out. I know, cheers.

    I’m not here to tear down Hillary. I hope that’s clear to some of the people. I know the passion. I get it, I really do. I don’t get the hate towards Obama. I’m sorry if that’s unacceptable.

    Amelia – I want you in the party. Because it’s not Barak Obama’s Party. It’s not Hillary Clinton’s Party. It’s your Party. Until you decide it isn’t. My point here isn’t to change anybodies mind on Obama. I get the issues with him, though I don’t see it as extreme. But McCain would be much much worse for the country.

    Hillary supporters have the power to change Obama’s mind about them. You can make your voice heard in the Democratic Party and change it for the better, or you can take the loss and in spite vote for McCain and finish what Bush started, tearing down Obama with insane screeds all the while. In which case, no you aren’t a Democrat. You’re just another Republican.

    • so saddened

      all right, faust, i was about to go to sleep but took one last look. and realize i was naive for being open to the possibility that you might be a sincere, albeit misguided, blogger.

      now i see the usual crap that we’re not real democrats because we are voting for mccain “in spite” and that we’re tearing down obama “with insane screeds.”

      and the nerve of saying that hillary supporters can change obama’s mind about them – asshole! we don’t need to change obama’s mind about us. he needs to change our minds about him! do you think we give a shit what he thinks about us?

      btw, no way in hell can he change our minds about him.

      shame on me for being fooled. you’re a typical obamabot after all.

      so screw you. i’m going to bed now.

      and you’re guy’s losing in november.

    • LBJ’s Love Child

      Amelia – I want you in the party. Because it’s not Barak Obama’s Party.

      And that’s where you are wrong. It has become Obama’s “Party”. He has intimidated local party officials to support him by threatening them with the AA block vote to oust them in the primaries. He did it in Texas this week, he’s done it in MS and GA. He’s announced plans to re-staff the DNC. He is applying Chicago Rules for a permanent take-over of and by his loyalists.

      His club is the RACIALLY MOTIVATED 90% support of African Americans, and he is bashing local Dems all across the US with it.

      Good luck with your New Order.

    • C. S.

      First, Senator Obama didn’t invent “change” for the Democratic party, these “older voters” everyone talks about (known as babybooomers) have been working to change election politics since Richard Nixon was almost impeached so the idea that somehow Obama is going to make government perfect while Clinton and McCain will not is ludicrous! (Notice how Republicans never actually get impeached no matter what they do?)

      Second, my grandmother used to tell all of us that we will be judged by the company we keep. The “company” Barack Obama keeps certainly is enough to question his character since he wasn’t acting in any capacity to “change” his associates’ behavior, and according to the videos posted yesterday he approves their radical message. At lease McCain and Clinton aren’t insulting Americans of all ethnicities. And Senator Clinton’s endorsement by “older voter” Maya Angelou certainly trumps “older voter” Rev. Wright’s endorsement of Obama in my judgment.

    • Genevieve LeFevre

      “In which case, no you aren’t a Democrat. You’re just another Republican.”

      Impressive. Very impressive. Obiewan has taught you well. You have controlled your fear. Now, release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy the Democratic party.

    • anna shane

      he needs to change our minds about him, it’s on him to unite. We have not been silent, I’ve been blogging on this from way back. I used to like him too, but those days are long gone. When he’s ready to listen he’ll show her respect, and he’ll apologize for ‘using’ her comments to paint her as the devil who wants to win over his dead body.

  • Kinky Ogremann

    Another game with Obama –
    How Low Can You Go?
    Just you wait and see…you think disenfranchisement, dirty money, racist pastors, terrorist connections, inciting racial hatred and divisiveness is bad? Heck – you haven’t nothing yet…

  • Ellen Tenn

    Great article.

  • bmc

    “Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother’s milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career,” Spengler said. “He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at an emotional distance.

    That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath.”

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

    I will never vote for Obama. I’ll vote for John McCain if I’m forced to choose between Obama and McCain. I come from a military family; I know what values McCain has in his soul.

    I am leaving the Democratic Party. Any “deal” on Michigan and Florida which steals votes or delegates from Clinton is preposterous, and is electoral fraud by definition.

    I won’t let the screen door hit me on my way out. I am completely and utterly disgusted with this party, their presumptive nominee, and the Democratic National Committee.

    There will be no “unity.” It is far too late for that now. I want no part of this nasty poseur, this malignant narcissist, or his courtiers in their New Democratic Party, win or lose in November.

  • jessie

    I am not sure the Obama/Marxist people understand just how many people will not vote for him in November. We are farmers in a big way and have business associates all over the country. We have many associates who are republicans and I cannot tell you what they think about Obama/Marxist just because he is democrat. But, I can tell you that the vast majority of our associates who are democrats are saying about the same things about him.

    He will lose in November. You can look at all the polls you want. How can he expect to win in November when 99% of republicans hate him just because he is a democrat and 50% of democrats will not vote for him because he is not qualified and has treated the 50% of democrats who have not voted for him in the primary like shit.

    I do not understand why they keep saying we will all come together. We will not. I am just one person who has never voted republican in my life as the 23 members of my family who are eligible to vote and all of us will vote McCain in November or will not vote at all which is a small sampling but I think we are not unlike many families in America.

    I can also tell you that we are highly offended by Obama/Marxist’s friends who keep popping up. Do you really think Americans like to hear that they are “Raping Blacks in America” no what did he say “Keep Raping Blacks in America” Sorry I do not have white guilt and I will not be told I must vote for an unqualified candidate just because he is black.

    Affirmative Action may be accepted in colleges, etc. in this country – it is not something I or many many others will accept in the presidential race.

    The democratic party as said they do not need me, Latinos, or my white family members.

    My family will change our registration next week and will leave the party that does not want or need us.

    When are you Obama/Marxist people going to understand that. This is not a threat it is a fact.

    Even if Hillary somehow is the nominee we are still getting out of this party. It seems no affilation is more valued than our commitment to the party our family has supported with our legwork and money for all these years.

    Obama/Marxist not only will we not vote for you we will be actively campaigning against you until November.

    Wake up and realize we are not coming back – not only to vote for you but we are not coming back to support the democratic party.

    Donna Brazile – you did the party no favors by your statement on CNN about not needing us.

    I say go to hell Obama/Marxist you more resemble the Communist Party than any pro-American party.

    You organize just like the Communist Party. You only need to go to the Communist Party website to see where you get your organizing skills. This is not a joke and America better wake up and realize this person’s agenda.

    He will not win in November.

    NO OBAMA/MARXIST
    HILLARY OR MCCAIN 2008

  • Zee

    “…knew from his Reagan speech what the plan was.

    It would be to destroy her.”

    Exactly, Ann. I could not have been more outraged and disgusted by that. He set out to destroy the entire Clinton legacy. And I couldn’t believe people were making excuses for him. He was praising Reagan’s *Southern* strategy…how vile and cynical is that?!

  • Zee

    Gloria….marvelous tribute to Corrine Brown, thanks!!

    =====

    Comment by Kinky Ogremann | 2008-05-31 05:28:33

    Another game with Obama -
    How Low Can You Go?
    Just you wait and see…you think disenfranchisement, dirty money, racist pastors, terrorist connections, inciting racial hatred and divisiveness is bad? Heck – you haven’t nothing yet…
    ===============

    Don’t leave out Obama’s campaigning for his “cousin” Odinga, who is trying to bring Islamic rule to Kenya…and who, when he lost, had his supporters loot and murder people until the president was forced to “share” power with him.

    And of course, Obama’s latest US dirty politicking in Texas, where he is trying to force one of his AA female supporters, Roy Laverne Brooks, to drop out of her race against a white man….who just announced he was supporting Obama.

  • Ann On

    @Faust 00:40:50

    “For what reason was his goal to only destroy Hillary? To what ends?”

    Because he’s a neurotic SOB who hates white people, most particularly white women. His mother, of course–not the father who abandoned him. His grandmother–typical white racist. Alice Palmer.

    Every time Barky-O opens his mouth, he displays his nuttiness for all the world to see.

  • Ann On

    Oh, yeah, and Faust? Cut out the “we” and “us” shit. You sound like a Moonie recruiter. I want no part of your “us,” and I doubt I’m alone.

  • FL Dem for what

    We know all of HRC issues, they’ve been covered in the news for years (and gov’t investigated). Obama, he’s an unknown or still discovering. and not in the news for years is inexperience. He seems to never say anything. change, it’s not happening. someone to control the chaos gov’t is, well she’s the lady in the pantsuit. voters to delegate charts show he can’t win in GE. if the GE delegates vote by the voters (in florida we aren’t sure our votes are in there, hanging chads and all), well mccain will win. even if i didn’t vote for him. isn’t it funny when it was wartime, WWII, America cut back, rationed everything, and women went to work in American Factories to build our planes, and bullets, etc… it’s wartime now right, Iraq is still called a war?, not a ration in place, prices rise even tho it all comes from some cheap country who pays U.S. none-little taxes(and probably on some gov. aide prog. of ours), and instead of those measures and in our economic times, more than just women would (need to financially) step up to build arms, large military contracts have left the country lately. Not just one either. Bush n Cheney are making a run on the bank if you hadn’t noticed. Get all the cash out times running out. Someone ask the canidate about that, I need a job working for a company with a military contract. but hey i’m in FL so I mostly don’t count.
    sorry for the typos ;)

  • anna shane

    not built in cause of race, built in cause ‘not a girl.’   My motives were fine, and Obama seems to have listened, in that he apologized for that part of his campaign, and she’s his SoS, and doing the most competent, energetic, team-playing job. And yes, she did throw all her efforts to getting him elected. And he’s doing a fine job.  What sent me over the top was his confidence in asking Bill to take over a press conference.  The pugs are up in arms, but here is one lefty who is fine with our president, even though he wasn’t my first choice.