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Alert: HRC’s LETTER to DNC + C-Span Saturday Covers DNC Rules Meeting

By SusanUnPC on May 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM in DNC

hillarythoughtful.jpgHRC’s full letter, scanned, is up at Politico.com. The short version: 1) HRC is demanding that ALL HRC delegates be seated, and 2) that the uncommitted votes cannot go to Obama. But we suggest you read the full letter today, before tomorrow’s televised meeting so you have the campaign’s positions.

No Quarter will provide you with LIVE THREADs throughout the meeting!

09:30 AM – 3:00 PM ET, LIVE — On C-Span (1) — Watch on TV or online
Democratic Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting || Democratic National Committee, Rules and Bylaws Committee
James Roosevelt Jr., Democratic National Committee || Howard Dean , Democratic National Committee

07:00-09:30 AM ET: (Before the meeting, CALL in to Washington Journal (program details below fold):
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PROGRAMMING DETAILS for Washington Journal, 7:00 a.m. ET, Saturday, May 31, 2008:

Washington Journal Summary Saturday, May 31, 2008

7:00-7:15 Question/Newspaper Articles/Phones

7:15-8:30

Topic: An update on the Democratic National Committee Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting that is being held in Washington this weekend. The committee is working on a plan to seat delegates from Michigan and Florida to the Democratic National convention this August. Both states were penalized earlier this year for holding their primaries before DNC rules allowed. Michigan has 157 delegates to the convention, including 128 pledged delegates and 29 superdelegates. Florida has 211 delegates, 185 pledged and 26 superdelegates.

7:15-7:30 On the Phone (photo ID avail) Phoner REP. ROBERT WEXLER w/calls D-Florida, 19th District Obama for President Florida Co-Chair

www.wexler.house.gov www.barackobama.com

7:30-8:00 GORDON TROWBRIDGE (TROH-bridge) Detroit News Washington Reporter www.detnews.com

8:00-8:30 REP. CORRINE BROWN D-Florida, 3rd District Clinton for President Supporter

www.house.gov/corrinebrown www.hillaryclinton.com

From 8:30-9:15, the Washington Journal will look back 40 years to major events from 1968 and examine how they have impacted today’s society. Today, we’ll focus on the gold standard.

8:30-9:15 JOSEPH SALERNO (suh-LUHR-no)

Uplink Pace University

Economics Professor www.pace.edu

Locator: Montgomery, Alabama

Topic: Our guest will discuss the repeal of the gold standard by Congress, why it happened, and whether it should it be reinstated.

9:15-9:30 Phoner/Newspaper Articles/Phones

9:15 On the Phone (photo ID avail) Phoner MARIE HORRIGAN CQPolitics.com Reporter

Topic: An update on the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, which is being held in Washington today. The committee is working on a plan to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan to the Democratic National Convention this August. Both states were penalized earlier this year for holding their primaries before DNC rules allowed.

9:30 LIVE – DNC Meeting

Host: Robb Harleston

  • standard

    Best to be there in person.

    • Lou

      HEADS UP-please circulate.

      When: May 31st – We will meet at 7 am and rally until around 4 pm.

      What to Wear:
      • RED, WHITE and BLUE
      • Please do NOT wear Hillary gear.      • Bring rain gear: umbrellas and jackets.
      • Bring bottled water – its going to be a long day!
      • Dress Cool—it’s going to be hot! Wear hats.

      Talking Points
      • We believe that the DNC must honor our core democratic principles and enfranchise the people of MI and FL and their respective delegations.
      • We believe that Hillary Clinton is best for our party, most likely to win in November and best for our country.
      • We believe the contest for the democratic nomination must not end before all of the votes from each State and US Territory have been cast and counted and that nominating conventions, not candidates (or the media), declare the nominee.
      • We believe that the media and DNC have underestimated the passion, strength, intensity and determination of women voters and the power of the women’s vote

      Rules:
      • We are not going to be disruptive; we are not going to break any rules or laws.
      • If approached by the press, we are optimistic and are rallying in support of the founding principle of the right to vote. We are not protesting or demonstrating. We have a deep and abiding love of our country and are looking to create unity. Please always maintain an optimistic and energetic tone.
      • No one is allowed to go on hotel property unless you have a room in the hotel or credentials to the meeting. If you step onto the hotel property and neither of these criteria apply to you, you will be asked to leave.
      • Watch out of rough behavior and please ignore it if possible. If you see someone acting rough or violent, please ask a nearby police officer to remove that individual.
      • Any Count Every Vote rally-goer who is perceived to be acting or speaking violently will be asked to leave.
      • We are peaceful, law-abiding folk who love our country and its democratic values.

      Recommended Slogans for Sign Making
      “Bring DEMOCRACY back to the DEMOCRAtic Party!!”
      “Count Every Vote”
      “Count Florida NOW”
      “Count Michigan NOW”
      “Women Count”
      “50-48=NO YOU CAN’T”
      “Every Vote Must Count”
      “Um, we’re copying the GOP?”
      “Penalize Date Movers, NOT VOTERS”
      “I’m mad at my teacher. He taught me there were 50 states.”

      I am not posting the address.

      • Andy

        Thanks Lou for posting this. It is important in light of some rumors that
        there is likely be trickery at Saturday protests ( BO “kids” showing up as
        Hillary 
supporters acting out, horribly).

        • Lou

          I left out the address.
          I understand how undemocratic and vile Obama supporters are.
          They will be arrested if there is any acting out.

  • Karen

    OBAMA = THE NEXT BUSH TERM

    OBAMA = THE NEXT BUSH TERM

    OBAMA = THE NEXT BUSH TERM

    OBAMA = THE NEXT BUSH TERM

    • Cal

      Ain’t that the truth.

    • AnyoneButObama

      Worse than Bush

      • joeysky

        I second that. Bush doesn’t have a single drop of racial radical in him.

      • standard

        After tomorrow, I may not be a democrat.

        • ginaswo

          me neither

          • Dawnelle

            ditto twice here

            • Disgusted

              Same here.

              • raymo

                after tomorrow, i may be a very drunk unaffiliated voter.

                • SONIA

                  GIVE IT UP GUYS .

                  Learn something from Hillary,she is fighting –why–for whats the right thing to do.

                  So stop the negativity,put ur chin up,and make some calls to Superdelegates,write e-mails to media,try raising funds for Hillary .

                  I KNOW IT GETS DEPRESSING,AND AT TIMES it gets very frustrating ,but in past 3 weeks i learned something from Hillary.
                  And that is to fight for what you believe in and keep fighting till you are the declared -WINNER-

                  • standard

                    If you can’t make it to DC, you CAN DONATE!

                  • Kinky Ogremann

                    Yes – it doesn’t end till the convention.

                  • Andy

                    SUNDAY IS PUERTO RICO PRIMARY.

                    She needs our help; stay positive focus, help her campaign (phone banks, $$ whatever)

                • so saddened

                  ditto here.

    • Clinton Fan

      And playing the role of George McGovern….Barack Obama.

      What a clusterfuck.

  • Billo

    Her campaign conceded, with go protest now?

  • lover

    I will definitely call Washington Journal.

  • Biased Activist Reader

    Yes, HRC’s position is exactly right. And everyone should call to remind Co-Chair James Roosevelt, Jr., of his grandfather’s quote: “Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are.” For Pete’s sake, we’re Dems!

    • standard

      VOTERS, NOT LAWYERS!

  • http://www.mytowntalks.com MyTownTalks

    Great I’m glad to see her standing up for all the people.

  • SJ

    I am so tired of the media saying its the delegates and nothing else matters, no maps, no popular vote, no electorial college just these delegates.

    I really wonder what will be the news if and when the DNC goes with the delegate wishes nominate Obama and he cannot win the GE.

    Will the media then say well maybe they were wrong, would they apologize to all who supported Hillary, would they admit Dean messed up, what will they say then?

    What will be the news to the millions that are going feel as if a bomb hit them, this is even worse than the war in Iraq, I think a lot of people are going to be very disheartened, remorseful and downright unhappy with what is to come, and what some in the media have done to them again.

    • Lou

      I do not understand why they keep trying to get her out of the race because she trails by some delegates.
      No one has enough pledged delegates to win. Why do they keep acting like Obama is the winner?
      Why not ask him to drop out?

      You tube has a “karl rove” map with Obama losing to Mccain and Hillary beating McCain. Obama loses FL and Hillary wind FL.

      Why in the face of the obvious they try to get her out of the race? Obama will not get her votes.
      Has anyone figured out what they are thinking?
      We are the laughing stock of the world. People are laughing at us because of Obama.

  • Dawnelle

    They will TRY to blame Bill and Hill for this.

    Just the fact she had the NERVE to run.

    And she will not have campaigned HARD enough for the pimp so she will get blamed.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      I think, personally, they lost that argument.

      He lost it when he refused the revotes.

      He’s pretty much on his own, out on the limb.

      It’s clear that that the argument that she should “resign” for the good of the country failed in the last round of votes.

      People don’t like him. He’s tanked.

      Even in Oregon, her exit polls as to people being OK with her were way higher than his.

      People don’t like him, and likability is everything.

      He’s not electaable. We all know it,

      At this point? I’m like so many on here. I don’t care much about the plight of the Democrats. If they were this stupid, then they were this this stupid.

      They allowed, ah, encouraged racial politics. Was that in the best interest of the country?

      Nope.

      But they haven’t done much in the best interest in the country for a long time, which is why their approval rating is lower than Bush.

      Bush is 30%. They are 18%.

      That tells me……have hope. People, real people, get this.

      and getting middle-aged people out to protest?

      They can pretend that’s nothing, but if you’re like me?
      That’s activism that really impresses me.

      Going out to a concert on a sunny day? He racked up a great story.

      But getting middle-aged people to go to Washington on a bus and stay in questionable places?

      THAT is a story.

  • Dawnelle
    • ginamc

      Some black men? LOL!!! I know Hispanic and White men who Obama girls too! does anyone recall Bill Maher, Andrew Sullivan and an entire panel of guys swooning on and on that they had a “thing” for BO ok, I said this in a non-vulgar way, but I think you get the drift.

      • Dawnelle

        That was Pastor Mannings title

        not mine

        • hillarysmygirl

          I went to youtube to look at it and it said that video had been removed?

        • Lou

          Pastor Manning is right on. I’ve been listening to him since January. His Katrina speech is awesome.

  • http://deleted AnninCa

    Her solution makes perfect sense. Giving all the delegates 1/2 vote if they insist on the 50% penalty is, indeed, the smart method.

    • Mr X

      I disagree. If Obama stopped the revote, then all penalties should be lifted because the only reason there was no solution is solely in Obama’s hands. Therefore, FL, MI and Hillary’s campaign should not suffer any penalties. But if they DO go for 1/2 the delegates, they should push that ALL states that moved ahead suffer the same penalty. Fair is fair.

      • ginamc

        Exactly! Even now, this is all revolving around BO’s agenda, his moves, his everything.

      • HillaryMadamePresident

        I agree. I’m sharing a list of DNC members I just received in an email. Alice Germond is allegedly making “back door” calls to committee members and asking them to split Michigans delegates 50/50. I emailed her and asked that they be awarded according to the official and certified votes (by the State of Michigan). 50/50 is NOT a fair solution. I’m in the process of emailing others.

        donna@brazileassociates.com; mbrewer@mi-democrats.com; martha.fullerclark@leg.state.nh.us; rcdawson@fulbright.com ; don@fowlercommunications.com, carol@fowlercommunications.com; YRG@co.clark.nv.us ; germonda@dnc.org ; 855748@gmail.com; griffinassoc1@aol.com; rramirez@alexisherman.com; alicehuffman@sbcglobal.net; thynes@chapman.com; ben.johnson@porternovelli.com; elaine_kamarck@harvard.edu; allan.katz@akerman.com; Eric@rpum.com; david.mcdonald@klgates.com ; monapasquil@hotmail.com; mame@thereileygroup.com ; james_roosevelt@tufts-health.com; gss1@aol.com ; lsmith@aft.org; rmadison@paladincagroup.com; stroschein@nrctv.com; seiusarah@msn.com; eward@ncdot.state.nc.us; jerome@puente-latino.com;

        • FLVoter

          I just sent my email requesting they count all of the votes and seat all of the delegates. I also called my Senator BIll NELSON – he will be arguing the case for Florida. I sent my pair of Walk A Mile in Our Shoes.

      • John

        YES, you are absolutely right! When are we going to strip Iowa and South Carolina of half of THEIR delegates?

        Of course, what SHOULD have been done was that those contests were declared “meaningless” back then, when it mattered- instead, we got a media orgasm over Obama’s big win in South Carolina, and he was on his way.

        Imagine if the media had dismissed all those early primaries and caucues and not just Michigan and Florida. But they didn’t – because they were in the tank for Obama from the very beginning.

      • Nancy

        I agree. Obama says he wants to unite us, but he wants to disenfranchise all the Dem voters in 2 states rather than lose the states to Hillary. He proves that he puts himself above democratic (fair, one man/woman, one vote) principles. And don’t forget the unfairness and absurdity of caucuses.
        Does anyone know which states moved ahead???

        • Deep Truths

          Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Michigan, and Florida. IA, NH, SC were supposedly given ‘waivers’ that actually the DNC has no legal authority to waive anything.

          Obama chose to remove his name from MI – it was not a requirement to do so. Consequences, rulz is rulz, etc. So yet, people voted for ‘uncommitted’ and uncommitted is what 40% of Michigan’s delegation.

          While they’re at it, comeone should look into why AA urban voting areas were awarded twice as many delegates for the same number of votes in suburban and rural areas. DNC rigged those districts for Obama.

          WE ARE HILLARY, HILLARY IS US!

        • Deep Truths

          oops, do-over, re-write.

          Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Michigan, and Florida. IA, NH, SC were supposedly given ‘waivers’ that actually the DNC had no legal authority to waive anything.

          Obama chose to remove his name from MI – it was not a requirement to do so. Consequences, rulz is rulz, etc. People voted for ‘uncommitted’ and uncommitted is what 40% of Michigan’s delegation should be. Fifty-six percent will be for Hillary cause, geez, her name WAS on the ballot.

          While they’re at it, someone should look into why AA urban voting areas were awarded twice as many delegates for the same number of votes in suburban and rural areas. DNC rigged those districts for Obama.
          This whole ‘change’ movement means change out Washingtong corruption for Chicago-style corruption

          Yeah, we got your MOVEMENT right here!

          WE ARE HILLARY, HILLARY IS US!

    • Andy

      AnnainCA:

      That is not her solution. They strongly oppose it. … That is in there just as an insurance clause (b/c of Nelson’s argument on behalf of FL) but it is not what they are arguing for.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        Sure it is. Politics is compromise.

        This compromise is brilliant, actually. Nobody has even talked about it, so it makes all of us armchair pundits look dumb.

        It knocks off the infighting. It gives her the popular vote. It honors the penalties.

        I can’t believe that nobody figured it out, frankly.

  • katmandu

    I think the Pfleger episode is going to give the decisionmakers pause as they ponder — “what else is out there?”

    They can’t help but notice that this has riled up the religious community too:

    http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=28097

    There, in that now famous venue, this Chicago Catholic Priest stepped into a controversy that will not die down.

    He made mocking, belittling statements and gestures about a Democratic candidate, Senator Hillary Clinton. The remarks were provocative, divisive, racially tinged and shocking.

    Father Pfleger, with a tone of arrogance, intimated that when the Senator from New York began to cry during an interview in the New Hampshire Primary, she was not experiencing authentic emotion but rather was experiencing some kind of regret that she had to experience opposition at all.

    • IndayHill

      Fr. Michael Pflezer MUST apologize PERSONALLY to Senator Hilary Clinton for his demeaning personal attack to a very distinguish person.He acted the way the devil does.He should be punished by his superiors.
      Obama is not strongly responsive to this unkind remarks by his spiritual pastor. Is that a sign of cowardness?

      • ginamc

        I agree. Is anyone else interested in starting a DEMAND for an apology from Pfleger and Obama? We can not allow this to go dissolve away.

      • typical irishman

        Not a sign of cowardice but a sign that the priest just like Mr Wright said exactly what Obama wanted to hear.

      • http://penitent-thief.blogspot.com/ LBJ’s Love Child

        He acted the way the devil does.

        Walks like a duck, quacks likes a duck. Must be a…

      • Deep Truths

        The church members of Trinity and Fr. Pfleger should understand that racism and the blind hatred that they freely consume is a disease, a sickness that can be cured only when open up their minds and hearts and leave these pseudo- Christian places.

        If nothing else, know that there is hope out there. Those places are hell on earth. Those teachings are mired in ’60s rhetoric of the past and baptized in the cloak of spirituality.

        In short, you’ve been played people, and the Wrights and Pflegers’ of this world are richer for it. They were in it for the MONEY. Your money. Fancy Rev. Wright in his million-dollar home, with a $10 million dollar line of credit. All from SWAT-teamed, murderous, still poverty-stricken South Side of Chicago.

        You have the power to end your love of hate.

    • Andy

      The Pfleger affair is a disgrace; I don’t understand how anyone in its sane mind would not feel repulsed by this stuff. It is horrible.
      I hate referring to Fox and even more to Hannity but the guy in today’s radio show put all the Pfleger videos and Farrakhan and comments together connecting the dots to Obama and it was devastating…
      Maybe we should email SD the Hannity MP3 file part I (posted earlier) he doesn’t even have to say much; just let all that stuff played….

    • Lou

      Maybe she was crying for the state of affairs in this country. That’s what I think. She said ‘this is not the country I was brought up in. I don’t recognize it anymore’ Maybe she was crying for the people who suffer just to get by.
      Stupid people who can’t see Hillary and who she really is. They are blinded.

  • ginaswo

    this letter is wonderful, I am so glad the campaign has made clear it would be unfair to strip half the dels and if the RBC goes that way they should dilute the vote to 50% value instead so all the dels have a chance to go represent their states at the convention!

    I am so proud of Hillary and her campaign :0)

    and thank Gawd they challenged awarding the uncommitted to Uhbama and 4 of HRC dels too!!! if he wanted votes he should have stayed on the ballot or allowed a revote!!!!

    • Kinky Ogremann

      Seriously! That’s like losing and then taking some of the winner’s prize money! That wouldn’t be allowed anywhere and they want to do it here under the cloak of legal politics? Pigs!

      • typical irishman

        In poker it’s called dealing from the bottom of the deck.

  • joeysky

    De·moc·ra·cy Pronunciation [di-mok-ruh-see] –noun, plural -cies.

    1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

    2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.

    3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.

    4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.

    5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.

    ===========================================

    The principle of democracy is all about the democratic spirit. I see nothing mention about the stinky rules. Every country can create rules. China has rules. Russia has rules. Pakistan has rules.

    DNC came up with the stinky rules to bend the nomination for BO.
    But where is the democratic spirit? Where is the democratic principle?

    • Deep Truths

      Democracy, democratic, Democrats – I see a pattern here.

  • TexasDarlin

    Denver or bust, baby!

    GO HILLARY

  • Dawnelle

    Right ON!! Carole Swain on CNN just said she thinks the WILL OF THE PEOPLE meaning the popular vote should decide the nominee – because THAT is the DEMOCRATIC WAY! (yaHOO)

    AND that THAT was the ORIGINAL criteria (my word) set up by BO’s camp at the beginning.

    Kitty seemed to agree and the other two guys just grinned! Ya think they are planning on using THAT? BO would have no choice!!! wooHOO YEP!

  • isaac

    she should say she is taking it all the way to the convention, not for her, but for the party, that an obama nomination is a certain loss in november. to prove her sincerity, she should announce that she would be willing to step aside and endorse al gore were he to declare

    • Lou

      She is saying “we’ll see. Hopefully this gets resolve in a week. If not then we’ll see”

  • http://paganpower.wordpress.com/ PaganPower

    Tomorrow will be an important turning point.

    Thank you for providing this valuable information.

  • http://penitent-thief.blogspot.com/ LBJ’s Love Child

    HRC=Democracy

    BHO=Autocracy

    DNC-RBC, which do you choose?

  • SJ

    If according to the media and Obama this is a delegate race why do we even bother to vote, maybe it would of been easier if all the delegates just got together and tell us who they will nominate.

    Obama keeps making the point its about delegates, so he is willing to run against McCain looking for a win when the popular votes goes to someone else?

    That is really some strange logic there I would of thought it would be the voice of the people that is more important on who is President of the US, but seems like Obama and the media has a new spin on this.

    • ginamc

      yes,and the spin is… whatever BS rationalization ultimatel benefits BO. What about the fact that he has CHEATED at Caucuss? I’m a Texas Delegate, and I have seen WAY too much cheating from BOzo.

    • ginamc

      yes,and the spin is… whatever BS rationalization ultimately benefits BO. What about the fact that he has CHEATED at Caucuss? I’m a Texas Delegate, and I have seen WAY too much cheating from BOzo.

  • Dawnelle

    LOL

    Ferraro is on with O’Lielly!! LOL

  • JP

    Nancy Pelosi said several weeks or months ago that the popular vote should determine the nominee and not the superdelegates. So guess what, Hillary won.

    • Dawnelle

      I also heard here say the delegate count equals the will of the people (in so many words)

      • Dawnelle

        her not here

        sorry

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity Woman

        Caucuses do not equal the will of the people. They equal the will of busloads of people who show up while everybody else is at work. They in turn decide “For” the People.

        • Mel

          ACORN people to be exact

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          That was Pelosi’s idea of grass-roots. LOL*

          course, the real grass-roots brings out her bitchy side. :)

    • TeakWoodKite

      Can we get that split screened?

      Make a BS sandwich out of it…What was Harry and Pelosi doing in SF today? Harry was on the TV 7 news in the KGO studios…

      Getting some more of the cows milk?

      Hey Harry GOT MILK?

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  • Mel

    Tomorrow will be interesting!

    Fla 210 delegates
    Mich 160 delegates

    Clinton followed the rules in both states.
    Obama broke the rules in both states.

    Pandoras box penalize Fla and Mich for breaking the rules, must include penelty on Obama for breaking the rules!

    Full count according to voters actually voting in record numbers is:

    Fla Clinton 107 delegates
    Fla Obama 70 delegates
    Edwards and free delegates 33

    Mich Clinton 84 delegates
    Mich Obama 0 delegates
    free delegates 76 delegates

    On delegate increases, Clinton +117 delegates
    Free delegates total 109 delegates

    Obama delegate lead 161 delegates

    Difference tomorrow could be as low as Obama +44 delegates

    Penalized 50% count according to voters actually voting in record numbers is:

    Fla Clinton 53.5 delegates
    Fla Obama 35 delegates
    Edwards and free delegates 16.5

    Mich Clinton 42 delegates
    Mich Obama 0 delegates
    free delegates 38 delegates

    On delegate increases, Clinton +60.5 delegates
    Free delegates total 54.5 delegates

    Obama delegate lead 161 delegates

    Difference tomorrow could be as low as Obama +100.5 delegates

    Clinton takes on lead in votes officially as voter count cannot change, they are registered!

    If penelty is enforced, Obama loses votes in Fla and Mich, which includes SD’s possible loss of 44 delegates, thus Obama reduced to lead of 56.5 delegates.

    Free delegates from Fla and Mich can change the entire race with the contests coming up and pledge delegate count can turn to Clinton’s favor and popular vote to Clinton’s favor!

    Sd do not count until convention, and unpledge delegates and Edwards delegates not formally for either candidate till the convention, so Denver for Hillary and the slime political manouvering by Axelrod is defeated!

    • IndayHill

      Mel,
      I see a rainbow in the horizon.

      Hillary, the next US President!

    • TeakWoodKite

      Thanks for the break out Mel. I am so glad this is on C-Span tomorrow. Sure beats mowing the lawn.

    • Lou

      Good one Mel. I’m still looking for a list of the the all the states delegates that were collected so far.
      Obama 97 delegates in the TX caucus were reversed and I don’t see that he actually removed them from his tally. Does anyone know?

    • Deep Truths

      The only thing Obama is decisively leading in:

      SCANDALS!

  • IndayHill

    I have a strong feeling that our strong fighter, Senator Hillary Clinton, will DEMAND tO seat ALL DELEGATES, COUNT all VOTES of FL & MI.

    HILLARY, YOU ROCK !!

    WE ARE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY, HILLARY, THE NEXT PRESIDENT !

  • thenana1

    Don’t believe this crap, for some reason my web browser will not let me down load Hillary’s letter
    nor let me view it on the other site?

  • http://lilithrvisited.blogspot.com LauraInCali

    ACTION ALERT!!!! PLEASE EVERYONE GO TO COUNT ALL THE VOTES CAST AND SIGN THE LETTER TO DNC…TIME IS RUNNING OUT! DO IT NOW!!!

    http://www.countthevotescast.org/letter.php

    • HillaryMadamePresident

      Signed it..they need more signatures!!!!!!!!

    • FLVoter

      I keep getting an error on that page.

      • Lou

        do a right click refresh. That may help.

    • Andy

      I did already a while ago; there were several sites.

      But would be nice to have more signatures on this one !
      The letter to Dean is good.

      If you can sign; your name doesn’t have to appear (could be anonymous or anything you want as well).

  • joeysky

    A petition to be signed by all men and women who want democracy to survive.

    http://womenforfairpolitics.com/petition.aspx

    This was on FOX news today.

  • devilspeak

    i am watching all day tomorrow and i can feel the pressure mounting tonight. democracy must prevail or we will have chaos. and if they are worried about the aa’s, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned…… that white woman ! just ask yet another association of the son of africa…..wright/moss/pfleger……rezko, farrahkan, ayers, black panthers,wrights church members…..how in the hell does these things about obama not damage him, its pure terror.

    • Lou

      The world is laughing at us. Saying we have gone down the tubes for letting Obama in on the game.

  • Dawnelle

    Jessica Yellen SOMEHOW thinks she can read Hillary’s mind down in Puerto Rico.

    She just said that HILLARY is positive BO can’t win in NOV and also that she KNOWs she CAN NOT win this primary.

    PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!

    • SONIA

      I SAW HER TOO.
      Just ignore her ,
      the one that pisses me most is CAMBELL. i mean she is just emotionless..

      i just don,t like her ,

    • Lou

      If they continue to impded democracy then maybe not.
      If democracy prevails Hillary will win.

  • Dawnelle

    “THEY KNOW IT’S OVER UNLESS AN ASTEROID HITS THEM”

    I can NOT believe that BIOTCH just said that?????????

    ARGHHHHHHHHHHHhh

  • artist
    • spamccensor

      Well, with Obama, you’re in an amusement park full of drunks, life “Duff World,” from the Simpsons.

      If a bunch of stupid beer drinking drunks were to get together, and create something, what would it be like?

      Chicago, as “Duff World”…

    • Lou

      PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE OBAMA

  • SONIA

    FROM TALK LEFT;;

    Via Politico, the Pew Research Center has a new report, available here, finding 49% of white women and 35% of Democratic white women now have a negative perception of Obama. Politico summarizes:

    Forty-nine percent of white women view Obama unfavorably, while only 43 percent hold a favorable opinion. In February, 36 percent of these women viewed Obama unfavorably, while 56 percent had a positive perception of the likely Democratic nominee.

    Over the same period, Democratic white women’s negative view of Obama increased from 21 percent to 35 percent, while their positive view decreased from 72 percent to 60 percent — roughly the same rate as white women overall.

    DID I HEAR OBAMA SAY

    :;UMM UHHHHHHHH UH UH I can get hillary voters but the question is -can she get my voters?

    well folks -there you have it —a man with foot in the mouth disease or someone who needs to freeze his tongue off .

    • spamccensor

      Wow, Sonia, you work really hard.

      Good for you!

      • SONIA

        r u being sarcastic??

        because i been getting a lot of that lately.and nobody to blame but myself –i use some harsh words when i am angry at obamas.

        • Dawnelle

          you ROCK {{sonia}}

          ignore the haters! ;-)

          • SONIA

            thanks dawn !!

            u always make me feel special .

    • HillaryMadamePresident

      Excellent!

    • Lou

      AA’S have decreased their positive view of him too.
      have you seen that?

  • katmandu

    Wow. And read what Mark Shields said today on PBS:

    Mark Shields is a syndicated columnist, appearing here on the PBS News Hour:

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/credentials_05-30.html

    MARK SHIELDS: I think it is a problem. I think that Father Pfleger in that video that we saw makes a stronger case against the electability of Barack Obama than has ever been mounted by the Clinton campaign. It raises those kinds of questions, Ray.

    And I think that it was the worst possible message at the worst possible time. It was sexist and it was racist both, that message was. And I really do think that, at a time when Barack Obama is reaching out, especially to white women, many of whom are zealous in their support of Hillary Clinton, but who are lukewarm, if not hostile to Barack Obama, it’s the worst possible message.

    And to bring up that moment in New Hampshire when an awful lot of women identified with her, when Hillary Clinton, in my judgment, having been in New Hampshire at that moment, was very much authentically responding to a human kindness, and then was savaged by male commentators on cable television, I think that was this moment when vast legions of American women voters identified with Hillary Clinton.

    And so to revisit that, Father Pfleger did just an enormous disservice. I think Obama, in his own interest and interest of decency, owes her a call and a public apology for what was said in that video.

    EJ Dionne in the Washington Post also wrote a piece about Obama’s problem with women voters:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/29/AR2008052903261.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    Here’s the lede:

    How much anger is there among women about how Hillary Clinton has been treated during this campaign? Some of the nation’s leading female politicians will tell you: quite a lot.

    • Andy

      Good for Mark Shields; I am glad he came through with this. He had been a bit fluffy and contradictory lately on Friday’s News Hour.
      Missed this one.

      Thanks katmandu !

  • Mike kilpatrick

    Has anyone considered Obama’s children? If he claims he doesn’t believe in any of the terrible things said in his church, then why bring his girls there? Surely this is the only reality they have ever know. If he doesn’t belive it, they do. Michelle Obama is a BAD mother.

  • Andy

    Does anyone know if C-Span will transmit this via Internet?
    (I don’t have cable…)

    And if so in which C-span?

    • Andy

      NEVER MIND!! SusanUnPC with her incredible efficiency had already posted all the info above. Sorry.

    • Lou

      C-span isn’t reliable for live streaming on the web.
      Lou Dobbs will be there..

  • http://penitent-thief.blogspot.com/ LBJ’s Love Child

    How much anger is there among women about how Hillary Clinton has been treated during this campaign? Some of the nation’s leading female politicians will tell you: quite a lot.

    “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.”

    You listening, Howard? Nancy? (Donna, we know you aren’t listening.) We’re talking about more than just one woman scorned. The Gates of Hell itself will not stand against this storm you are unleashing.

    • HARP

      There is a special place in hell for women who do not help other women.

      Madeleine K. Albright

  • jdona

    This link was posted at hillaryclintonforum.net. Nancy Pelosi is warning Hillary Clinton supporters that she can’t afford to let us take this to the convention.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl…MNQE110L6T.DTL

    • Lou

      We can’t afford her to override Democracy.

    • Lou

      It has been removed. LOL

    • so saddened

      nancy pelosi says SHE can’t afford us to take it to the convention? i don’t recall her being elected queen. not even queen of the democratic party. if she doesn’t know the limits of her role as speaker of the house, perhaps she’s not qualified to hold that position.

      i could use a few not so nice descriptors, but i’m trying to be nice tonight.

  • Andy

    HRC argument here is very strong re. uncommitted. If you listen carefully to the media call of her campaign they made an excellent argument there as to why Uncommitted is equaivalent to voting for “A presidential candidate” and so those votes have to be certified as such and remain uncommitted until the Convention.
    There is NO ROOM for anything else here.

    there has been much discussion (see Talk Left for ex.) about legal arguments and the rules; but tomorrow is political and her campaign needs the popular vote more than anything. She is fighting hard to get the FULL delegation seated with a a full vote each. But, if they end up giving the FL delegates only 1/2 vote is bad for HRC but she stilll accomplishes (imho) 2 things (bear in mind that even if she gets the delegations seated 100% she is still behind in pledged delegates).
    (1) The popular vote
    (2) The number is NOT 2025.

    Their strategy is in winning the popular vote and have enough time for the SD to understand her arguments.

    Whatever happens tomorrow she will accomplish that.

    Don’t forget it and KEEP IT UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PUERTO RICO IS SUNDAY.

    PLEASE HELP TURN OUT THE VOTE !!!!!!!!!! (estimates are low at the moment with only 50% participation in a place that usually participates at close to 80%) . Hillary needs to win the popular vote she needs a LOT of people to come out for her in Puerto Rico.

    • Deep Truths

      1) The popular vote
      (2) The number is NOT 2025.

      In addition:

      1) If Puerto Ricans are watching the RBC tomorrow, how revved up will they be to vote on Sunday.

      2) The delegate count needed for the nomination goes from 2026 to 2010 due to the inclusion of MI and FL.

      • Deep Truths

        oops again – 2026 to 2210

        I’m pumped for tomorrow folks, can’t help it. Seven hours ’til D-day

  • Andy

    Does anyone know what type of blog is “Green Papers”?

    Talk Left has a good post quoting someone from there making the same excellent case HRC made in her letter for a full seating of the delegations with each delegate having one full vote and for keeping MI uncommitted votes uncommitted

    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/30/182812/199

  • kat in your hat

    Anyone going?

    I might!

    • Andy

      Go go go !!!! — even if your boyfriend doesn’t participate ;-)

      (I’m in MA and can’t take off for the whole day)

    • Lou

      Please go if you can. They need everyone possible.
      I have the address but will not post it.

  • typical irishman

    Obama owes the entire population of the American people an appology for all his divisive comments and actions. Any person of authority who would intentionally divide a nation should be barred from holding any public office. That goes for GW Bush and Karl Rove too. Men and women are dieing for a deteriorating nation while men like Bush and Obama play their games of divide and conquer. Time to kick all the bums out. Including Pelosi who has been worse than negligent in her official capacity and guilty of aiding and abetting two of the worst people for president in the history of the United States. “What A Revoltin Developement This Is”. Ain’t it the damned truth!

    • Five Thirty

      …Men and women are dieing for a deteriorating nation …

      This is what is bothering me plus all the other uncertainties and worries of the times.

      In my mind HRC is the only candidate with the maturity of mind and diplomatic skills to handle the USA’s Executive Branch now.

      Yet, I hear the bunches of Hillary Haters in my daily life that I *have* to tolerate, bashing on HRC for *no discernible reason* and with palpable glee, and then pieces of work like Maureen “was the Pulitzer committee tripping?” Dowd in the MSM, real *idiots* and it makes me nuts.

    • Lou

      Obama owes the entire population of the American people an appology for all his divisive comments and actions

      I’ve been saying this for a month now.

  • http://Reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

    Just signed the petition. They need alot more over there!

    • Five Thirty

      I’ve been doing something else. I’ve been unsubscribing from down ticket candidates’ mailing lists (that I got on in 2004) and in the “reasons why” box I’ve been writing (in all sincerity) that I am waiting to see how the DNC treats Hillary Clinton (my candidate) before I support any down ticket candidates. I am hoping that this will pressure the DNC to get its act together.

  • avwrobel

    Hey you guys!! I don’t even watch the evening news or Sunday morning talk shows anymore. They just DO NOT COVER THE STORY! (lazy asses) Why, I wish I knew. Hillary is in a very powerful position with regards to Fla and Mich. Lets see how it all plays out. In the meantime she’s running a fund matching campaign at HillaryClinton.com where every $1 you donate gets matched by $2. Please go and DONATE!! Even $5.00 helps. This will help her make an anouncement of a good May for fundraising on Monday along with her big win Sunday in Puerto Rico! Obambi spent more money in April than he took in. As time goes on he gets weaker, while our girl gets stronger!! Go Hillary Supporters!!!!!!!

  • secularhumanizinevoluter

    Anyone with even the SMALLEST regard for the principles this country was founded on and are embodied in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights should be horrified at the naked racism and sexism on display throughout the onama camp from top to bottom. Has there EVER been a more open or naked display of hatred based on the color of a persons skin or their gender before in American politics. If THIS is what the Democratic Party is offering I will JOYFULLY embrace McCain and donate time, money and ideas to his campaign. And that is from someone who voted a straight Democratic ticket when I was first eligable to vote and in EVERY election, local AND national since then. NO MORE! If they give it to obama I am DONE with Democrates. PERIOD!

  • John

    On MSNBC tonight: Rachel Maddow and Eugene Robinson, the most nonpartisan people on TV (snark) agree that Hillary “blew it” by “making an unreasonable demand” that ALL the Michigan and Florida delegates be seated.

    Count ALL the votes? How 2000 of Hillary.

    I’ll be at the DC event tomorrow. Fuck Rachel Maddow, Fuck Eugene Robinson, Fuck the Washington Post, and Fuck every media outlet which reports that Obama is “about forty votes short of the magic number of 2026″ as fact when it isn’t.

    • Five Thirty

      Rachel Maddow and Eugene Robinson, the most nonpartisan people on TV (snark) agree that Hillary “blew it” by “making an unreasonable demand”

      yeah – maddow and robinson know so much about negotiations. Except when it comes to their contracts at nbc – you think their attorneys just say to the management, “oh whatever you think is fair….”…..?

    • so saddened

      maybe he can stay “about forty votes short” of 2026 – as the magic number rises and rises, like hillary.

      hillary or mccain. no other option.

  • joeysky

    I want to publicly declare to Nancy Pelosi that I have signed up with John McCain website today. I’ll be working for him if HRC is not the nominee.

  • John

    Very first caller to Greta Van Susteren tonight, a black guy who says “I dont agree with everything Rev. Pfegler said, but I dont disagree with it either, I think we do have to examine the role of white entitlement…”

    What could be more predictable. Expect to hear more of this shit from Air Obama radio and MSNBC hosts, too: “This guy is making us examine ourselves, we have to look seriously at the problem of race in America, blah blah blah let’s make this about you and not about Obama’s dickweed racist friends blah blah blah…”

    • Catriley

      My family didn’t own slaves, hell most of them came over after the turn of the century! I’m tired of this ‘white guilt’ thing. I have no white guilt. I have treated everyone with equality in my life. The people of color in my life would tell you that.

      This BS from that crazy pastor about “white entitlement” is just another way to control people. Clergy, and politicians, and organizers, who still peddle that bullshit are doing it for one reason.. to divide. If their parishoners or constituents are not groomed to distrust whites, then where would Rev. Wright’s 1.9 million dollar mansion come from? If they preached unity and getting out into the world with open hearts and minds, then how could they guarantee that their followers stay close and take their word as gospel?

      It’s almost as if the entire circle around Obama is ALL based on the Alinsky method. Is that a Chicago thing? Or a radical thing? Because it’s clear that is exactly what Pflegler and Wright, and Axelrod, have been doing. And it’s tearing the Democrats apart.

      • http://deleted AnninCa

        (What’s alinsky?)

        But I agree, except for I don’t think there’s a decision to divide.

        I must be horribly cynical. I just think they spot a market niche and exploit it.

        The “need” is there.

        One of the criticisms about Bill Clinton was that he eliminated lifelong welfare. That astonished me when I was reading. In my state? We have made that transition with grace and a system that just is terrific. Even the young women getting pregnant because it’s “cool” have a safety net that plunks them into school and developing a skill.

        Of course, along the way, they actually grow up.

        Lifelong welfare damages people. That system needed to be changed.

        I’m amazed when I read the “resentment” over this. It was, in my opinion, one of the most important change that came from the Clinton administration.

      • so saddened

        my family were poor, poor, poor, what obambi and his witchy wife would call white trash. we certainly didn’t own slaves. or anything else. just scratching out a meager country living growing vegies and raising cows/pigs. but we always had dignity and honor and integrity. things obambi and witchy will never have. as a result, over time we worked hard and came to have professional lives. but we never forgot who we were/are.

        obambi can shove it.

        hillary or mccain. no other option.

  • Arius

    When I had CNN on earlier today they kept advertising that they would be in the room during this meeting, implying we can watch it on CNN (?).. online or on tv (?) .. I don’t remember which but they kept pushing it.

    As a matter of fact I remember the night, I think it was Donna B who said it wasn’t a closed mtg and this surprised Wolf (as this convo was live on air).. so right then they commented that if it is live, CNN would be there.

  • Kevin

    Listen up people. I’m white, male and was not a hillary supporter during the MA primary. What got me on her side was the fighter that she has proven to be and the best option the democrats have. No quit in her, and she earned my respect and admiration. I voted for McCain as a block against Romney (he was my governor). I will either write in Hillary, vote for her as the democratic party nominee or vote for McCain if Obama is the democratic nominee. I have e-mailed my congressman (Frank) and my Senators (Kerry and Kennedy)to encourage them to support the choice of the democrats of MA. My state rep and senator have been likewise informed. Let yours kow your intentions, support Senator Clinton and if you support this racist a-hole from Illinois, you lose my vote and my $. $$$ is what they listen to.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Lots of men grew to like her, Kevin, but not until she proved herself.

      You’re not alone

      PS. I told ya so. :)

      • Kevin

        Ann,
        As I said to my ma, “Bill looked me in the eye and lied to me”.
        I took that personally. but Senator Clinton has shown some serious grambas (balls) and she is the best choice.
        Gotta go, the celtics are about to go to the finals.
        Peace

        • http://deleted AnninCa

          Enjoy your game. Men did take his lie to heart. I never figured that one out.

          They do it to women they love daily. *haha

          (I know…..no wonder I’m divorced!)

  • Five Thirty

    Men did take his lie to heart. I never figured that one out.

    They were just looking for a reason not to like him.

    • http://deleted AnninCa

      Men really hated him. (The women sort of liked him, cigar and all. LOL* But I figure we might a bit earthier about sex. The men? Omigod……they were so nuts over that, and I never did get it. It’s not like most of them don’t have their mistresses and whatever!)

      Anyway, that’s one of the mysteries of life I hope to discover when I die. :)

  • Deep Truths

    oops, do-over, re-write.

    Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Michigan, and Florida. IA, NH, SC were supposedly given ‘waivers’ that actually the DNC has no legal authority to waive anything.

    Obama chose to remove his name from MI – it was not a requirement to do so. Consequences, rulz is rulz, etc. People voted for ‘uncommitted’ and uncommitted is what 40% of Michigan’s delegation should be. Fifty-six percent will be for Hillary cause, geez, her name WAS on the ballot.

    While they’re at it, someone should look into why AA urban voting areas were awarded twice as many delegates for the same number of votes in suburban and rural areas. DNC rigged those districts for Obama.
    This whole ‘change’ movement means change out Washingtong corruption for Chicago-style corruption

    Yeah, we got your MOVEMENT right here!

    WE ARE HILLARY, HILLARY IS US!