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POTUS, Pelosi and Panetta Promise Partisan Political Pandering

NOTE: THIS ARTICLE WAS AUTHORED BY MIKE GORBELL, A FORMER CIA OFFICER AND GOOD FRIEND. THIS WAS FIRST PUBLISHED AT THE CALIFORNIA CHRONICLE AND IS REPRINTED WITH MIKE’S PERMISSION.

When I was an NROTC midshipman, the Marine Officer Instructor at my college taught me an important concept, to wit: Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. Most recently, Americans were introduced to the newest concept of intelligence reality: POTUS (President of the United States), Pelosi and Panetta Promise Partisan Political Pandering.

So, lemme get this straight. Shortly after 9/11/2001, somebody in the Central Intelligence Agency’s Counterterrorism Center comes up with idea of sending hit teams of Agency paramilitary officers out to kill or capture the Al Qaeda leadership, including, and perhaps most importantly, Osama bin Laden himself. CIA runs it up the flagpole, and the White House says, “OK, work up a plan.” After all, it is kind of in line with then President Bush’s televised statement that we would kill Al Qaeda wherever we found them.

But, like so many Jack Baueresque ideas, real life isn’t quite as simple as filling an hour of primetime TV (believe me, I’ve been there a few times). Not wanting the blowback of Mossad’s little 1970s adventure into globe-trotting “Wrath of God” hit squads, CIA decides to plan this out to the last detail before actually doing something. Good for them. Their mission is (or at least, was) to get bin Laden and fade into the night like Jim Phelps and the original 1960s Impossible Missions Force, not incur the wrath of locals like Chevy Chase in “Spies Like Us.”.

While they’re figuring it all out, the Agency gives the White House in general, and then Vice President Cheney in particular, somewhat breathless status reports on their progress (or lack thereof) and advises the Veep that they are going to brief the Hill. Cheney says, “Don’t brief the Hill until you actually have something to tell them. You’ll just unduly raise expectations before you know that you can really deliver.” Sounds like pretty sound advice to me. And not just to me, but to the three directors of the CIA during the seven year period 2001 to 2008, as well.

Fast forward eight years later. CIA still hasn’t briefed the Hill because they still haven’t figured out how to do it yet. Besides, their Predator drones seem to be working out just fine, so why risk potentially high profile boots on the ground when whispering death from above is getting the job done so neatly?

Not being a big deal, newly minted CIA Director Panetta isn’t briefed on this all-but-defunct idea until four months into his tenure. He immediately sees it for what his three predecessors did not: A chance to curry favor with POTUS and Pelosi, albeit at the expense CIA’s dignity, and give the evil Dick Cheney what a British SAS Regimental Sergeant Major once charmingly referred to as a “groinal smash” for good measure.

So, without a thought for the morale of his troops on the frontiers of freedom around the globe, Leon the Panderer rushes over to the White House, kisses The One’s ring, and tattles a tale. The Prez blesses the Oracle of Monterey and instructs him to go to the Hill and advise House Speaker Pelosi, whose accusations against CIA are looking pretty weak with her failure to name names, let alone kick behind, that he has “cancelled” a secret Cheney assassination program that those bad old CIA guys, who still remain nameless, have “hidden” from Democrat lawmakers for eight years..

Did I miss anything here?

Note to Obama, Panetta and Pelosi: I know that you think that we’re stupid outside of the Beltway and will never figure this out, but I would direct your attention to recent major newspaper articles on this “story,” and particularly to the online comments accompanying them. Not only are you busted by we dumb yokels in flyover country, but you have seriously misread the druthers of Mr. and Ms. America when it comes to killing Al Qaedans whenever and wherever, even in this enlightened age of 2009. My advice: Stop smoking the Hope bongs and start reading those emails from your constituents.

  • Babs

    This is an awesome post, thank-you. Could those of you with the know-how please get this out to every site you can, it’s just that good.

  • Mandelay

    Yay Larry! Thanks for telling those bastards the truth!

  • Mandelay

    And you, too, Mike!!!!

  • Shainzona

    Partisan Political Pandering.

    Stupid whenever it’s applied – whether it relates to our national security, our health care, our economy, our standing in the world.

    And the voters bought this BS hook, line, and sinker.

    So sad.

  • Ani

    Love your post, Mike.

    Yokels indeed!

  • hokma

    Well done.

    We’re not stupid they are.

    They have a complete disregard for the people the electorate other than the extreme left wing base.

    I have no doubt that on this track Republicans will win back the majority in the House, gain governor seats, and bring the senate in range of majority again.

    I’ve never seen either political party operate with such disregard.

  • Hunky Dory

    Hooray!

  • Peggy Sue

    This was a very good and funny article because it not only provides the info on this insanity but makes the fools involved in this so-called revelatory expose look like what they are: utter clowns.

    The scary thing? They’re running the country.

    God knows what damage these people will do. But if they think anyone who’s actually paying attention buys into this sham then they need serious medication.

    Is this amatuer hour or what?

    Horror upon horrors! Cheney and Bush [who said it about a thousand times] wanted to kill Osama and his merry henchmen.

    And how many Americans would disagree with that??? Of course, what I’ve read on the Left blogs is this is simply a clever smoke screen. The real intention was to kill all sorts of world leaders. Who? Who knows.

    I’ve noticed when the Far Left knows it looks totally ridiculous, the accusations become increasingly hysterical.

    What in the hell has happened to the Democratic Party? They’ve lost their frigging minds.

    Thanks for posting this, Larry.

  • graywolf

    90% of the American people are stupid, lazy and worthless.
    Any doubt?
    Look at the government these morons have elected.

  • JRD

    Thanks for sharing this Larry. Always enjoy your posts.

  • Karma

    Thanks Mike….for the humor about a serious subject.

    At this rate, I may never vote for a Democrat again.

  • helenk

    http://countusout.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/pentagon-orders-soldier-fired-for-challenging-prez-army-warrior-terminated-from-job-after-questioning-obama-eligibility/

    The DOD’s handling of this soldier has been weird from the git-go.
    I never heard of orders being changed because you do not want to go.
    Then have the government tell a private company to fire the man.

    Would they normally told him to obey orders or get court marshaled?

    WOMAN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

  • http://ezinearticles.com/?Three-Basic-Parenting-Styles&id=744499 Northwest rain

    I KNEW Penetta would be bad news for the CIA — I KNEW it. That is his personality structure — he is a political animal — no more and no less. He is a kiss up and a jerk as well.

    0zero is also a national security risk — when will this nightmare be over? 2012? Put me on a space ship — in a sleep pod ’til this movie is over. SciFi has such easy solutions.

  • Craig Della Penna

    Larry, Mike: thanks. It’s always good to turn over a turd to see what making the stink.

  • TeakWoodKite

    MIKE GORBELL, thank you for calling what it is.

    What I find disturbing is WHY the white house states Panetta “ended the program” without consulting with BO first, according to the WP story;

    The officials said the White House was not consulted before Panetta canceled the program. They declined to elaborate.

    .
    It hard to believe that the CIA Bin Laden Group did not have a ops teams on the ready.
    It leads me to wonder if this “boneheaded” false flag operation is hiding something much more in violation than just killing UBL and Co.
    What shitheads these fools are.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    You’ve heard of Polynesian Paralysis? Leon has been living in Monterey Mellow for the last 10 years. He hasn’t done anything harder than delivering soft ball questions during interviews for his Panetta Institute since leaving the WH. He’s the epitome of Arnold’s “Girly Man” reference. Not being a tough guy, he runs to the boss to curry favor. Disgusting. I respected him once. Little did I know.

  • barry bums a ciggie

    GREAT great post.

  • KZnextzone

    It could’ve been much worse…What if they had killed him.!
    Tha Horror , The Horror , The Horror……

  • Retired

    Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that there really was no “program” to cancel in the first place. Every time a CIA officer has an idea and is told to submit a memo on it does not constitute a “program.”
    Interestingly,it is now coming out that DCI George Tenet “cancelled the program” circa 2004 on his way out of the door. Its advocates appear to have made a run on Tenet’s successor, Porter Goss, before morning coffee, getting him to reactivate it. In layman’s terms, this mean that the file was pulled out of the mailroom cart on the way to the archives and put back on the shelf. Goss had other things on his mind when he abruptly left as DCI, and I suspect that the idea was briefed to Gen. Hayden about four or five weeks into his directorship. He probably rolled his eyes and said something like, “Keep me advised on the status of the planning” and promptly forgot about it. It took Panetta, who is first, foremost and always a political twerp to recognize the full potential for making amends to Nancy Pelosi with this after he called her a lying witch. Of course, he had to trash his own Agency and people but, hey, like John Deutsh, Panetta never liked the CIA much anyway. If Obama had offered him a good janitorial position in the West Wing, he would’ve died a happy man.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    That might have given OZero the excuse to dismantle the CIA altogether.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    You’ve got it, Retired.

  • Nellie

    Thanks Mike – Very well put, with humor and lots of snark!

  • Karma

    Pelosi would declare it friendly fire and Obama apologize to the Middle East….yet again.

  • TeakWoodKite

    I get the impression that the “program” was like a skunk that wouldn’t go away and I see Hayden with his James Cagney tick…”see? See? tick tick..See?”

    If an EO is issued outlining the concept of such a program how long would it take OLC Dawn Johnsen to find it and follow up given her views?

    It is also very odd that this whole thing preceded the IG’s report.

    Thanks Retired for the explanation. If the “program” is not about whacking OBL and company, ala Tommy Franks, and Tenet “killed” “it”, only to be a zombie in the mail cart…

    They need to put down what they smoking ’cause it is not like WH counsel Alberto Gonzales and Andrew Card going around Attorney General James Comey, which was during March of 2004…

    This whole Obama drama doesn’t add up. Someone is lying.

  • socalannie

    Love this article! I hope he writes more for NQ.

  • CG

    most respectfully — still skeptical and not convinced…

    I guess I remember accounts in some books I read about the hit squads (special forces). So easy it seems for everyone to pretend that there were no such programs in place and that information wasn’t already published about it I guess. Equally hard for me to believe this leak because the Democrats in Congress were/are incredibly spineless and so concerned about reelection and of being labeled unpatriotic during the Bush years that they would never dare oppose or raise an objection to a plan to assassinate al Qaeda leaders especially when there was absolutely no objection nor public outcry after Bush and Cheney floated so many statements such as we will kill Al Qaeda wherever we find them. The public would not have supported such objection by the Democrats and therefore they would not risk appearing weak and be accused of siding with terrorists. Inconceivable. I would argue that instead Cheney and the CIA decided it was not practical to assassinate these al Qaeda leaders and operatives because of the potential to torture them for supposed intelligence, and so to capture was the real value over assassination. Inconceivable too that in eight long years that the CIA supposedly would be so incompetent, knowing how politically important it was to validate Cheney and Bush rhetoric, that they couldn’t come up with a strategy or plan to kill al Qaeda leaders, yet I guess that is the implication with this leak and this post. I guess I had much more confidence in the CIA than I ought to have had. Believe me all America would have cheered Bush, Cheney and the CIA had bin Laden been assassinated, let’s not forget that, and when al Qaeda leaders were killed in fact it was celebrated on television broadcasts and in print. Frankly, hit squads would be less messy than all the innocent civilians that are being killed in drone attacks during wedding and funeral gatherings. Good for the CIA and Bush-Cheney for pulling off the BIG lie with the impression left that we had special forces out in the field ready to assassinate al Qaeda leaders and operatives if given the opportunity when we did not because the CIA wasn’t capable. They certainly pulled one over on us. Funny that the CIA was able to secretly brief Congress on the illegal practice of torture and rendition, but just couldn’t bring themselves to secretly brief Congress on a plan to assassinate al Qaeda leaders which would have been embraced by all Americans. Pretty pitiful predicament.

    There has to be another topic for the secret Panetta briefing to Congress.

    I appreciate your post Mr. Gorbell.

  • CG

    and whatever the real subject of the secret Panetta briefing to Congress, it must be awfully nasty and harmful to the image of the CIA and the U.S. and its citizens to warrant this convenient leak so poorly concocted and unbelievable so as to promote the image of our ultimate weakness that it pronounces to the terrorists and the world that the CIA is incompetent and incapable of planning a routine response to threats of national security and at the same time to signal to terrorists that they need not be concerned because there never has been a plan to hunt them down and kill them, not then and not now. After all it is the terrorists with all the brains and the information (intelligence) to pull off some spectacular attacks on unsuspecting America, and we’re just too impotent to effectively hunt them down and kill them like they have killed us, even with enormously vast resources well surpassing those of the terrorists. Great messaging and public relations… so amateur

  • tminu

    Obama / Axelrod really fucked up crossing in to the private sector. Federal agencies are disallowed from doing this, there’s whistleblower protections, anti-harassment laws, the civil lawsuits Cook has are plentiful. And Obama will never want a court martial because he cannot prove he’s a natural born citizen, they just though they could quiet the Army part and then do a little Chicago thuggery on Cook’s private job and make him “go away” (if not snuff him out).

    Res Ipsa Loquitur
    If you’ve nothing to hide, you hide nothing.

  • CG

    Just read the latest variation on a theme…
    CIA Assassin Program Was Nearing New Phase, Panetta Pulled Plug After Training Was Proposed

    and my goodness imagine the CIA crossing international boundaries, OH MY…

    Two U.S. officials with detailed knowledge of current CIA operations said the agency presented Panetta last month with new plans for moving forward with training for potential members of the assassination teams — activities that would have involved “crossing international boundaries,” in the words of a former counterterrorism official briefed on the matter.

    or how about this

    The Obama administration’s top intelligence official, Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair, yesterday defended Panetta’s decision to cancel the program, which he said had raised serious questions among intelligence officials about its “effectiveness, maturity and the level of control.”

    or how about this VERY BIG SECRET which LJ mentioned that was no secret to anyone around the world who could turn on a television or read a newspaper

    A secret document known as a “presidential finding” was signed by President George W. Bush that same month, granting the agency broad authority to use deadly force against bin Laden as well as other senior members of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

    There is nothing in this latest chapter to justify a need for the CIA to keep it secret from Congress. Jeez Louise, how much further will this phony leak evolve.

  • shannon

    so in a nutshell: Cheney didn’t actually approve of “Operation Treadstone/Blackbriar”, and Obama & Co. want us to believe that the mere existence of the proposal is proof that the CIA “lies to congress on a regular basis”.

    I don’t trust Him on the economy. Now I worry the intelligence community won’t respect his administration. Now I know he really was kidding about changing Washington’s culture (which I always suspected). Now I know he’s petty enough to engage in tactical skirmishes with radio hosts. And as much as I think there’s room for improvement in the health care system, I find it bizarre that he wants it done so quickly (sign here!! you don’t need to read it = salesman ripping me off)

    And, not for nothin’, but I don’t trust his ability to throw a ball (How does he have the time with date night and ice cream trips? He’s like Tom Hanks from “Big”).

  • tzada

    The Drudge Report has been reporting on this subject, but not this snarly part as of yet. Thanks for this link, which I sent to the DR.

  • tzada

    Well you may get your wish. SciFi is here and now in the form of flesh eating robots. Here is one persons take on it.

    Military Researchers Develop Corpse-Eating Robots

    “Evidently, many scientists have never seen even one scary sci-fi movie”: The Defense Department is funding research into battlefield robots that power themselves by eating human corpses. What could possibly go wrong?

    http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/07/military-researchers-develop-corpse-eating-robots/

  • tzada

    Need we wonder any longer why the Secret Service code name for the current PONTUS was Renegade? Hillary’s was Evergreen.

  • CG

    And because this is so patently absurd what exactly is it that we are trying to accomplish in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Apparently we aren’t trying to hunt down and kill and eliminate al Qaeda leaders and operatives, I guess we are busy greeting them as liberators or something.

  • tzada

    Video of the Day from Dick Morris (How Obama is going to fix the next and future elections)

    This is a 4 minute video in which Dick Morris states how Obama is planning to fix the next and future elections to insure his Radical Left polices prevail for the long-term.

    http://thesilentmajority.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/video-of-the-day-from-dick-morris-how-obama-is-going-to-fix-the-next-and-future-elections/

  • Shainzona

    My favorite bumper sticker: “If Obama is The Answer, then you asked a really stupid question.”

  • tzada

    The videos are ok but sometimes it’s good to cut to the chase.

    ACORN to Play Role in 2010 Census

    The U.S. Census is supposed to be free of politics, but one group with a history of voter fraud, ACORN, is participating in next year’s count, raising concerns about the politicization of the decennial survey.

    The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now signed on as a national partner with the U.S. Census Bureau in February 2009 to assist with the recruitment of the 1.4 million temporary workers needed to go door-to-door to count every person in the United States — currently believed to be more than 306 million people.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/17/lawmakers-concerned-role-acorn-census/

  • BARB

    What utter nonsense. Is this whole CAI/Bush/Cheney assassination plots…that the Congress never knew of just another distraction???? The CIA and it’s predecessor have been attempting to kill rulers of other countries for decades. Anyone remember the reports of over 800 attempts at killing Castro???

    U.S. Government Assassination Plots
    by William Blum

    Following is a list of prominent foreign individuals whose assassination (or planning for same) the United States has been involved in since the end of the Second World War.

    The list does not include several assassinations in various parts of the world carried out by anti-Castro Cubans employed by the CIA and headquartered in the United States.
    1949 – Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
    1950s – CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of numerous political figures in West Germany
    1950s – Chou En-lai, Prime minister of China, several attempts on his life
    1950s – Sukarno, President of Indonesia
    1951 – Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea
    1950s (mid) – Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
    1955 – Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
    1957 – Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
    1959 – Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
    1960 – Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
    1950s-70s – José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
    1961 – Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier, leader of Haiti
    1961 – Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire)
    1961 – Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
    1963 – Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
    1960s – Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life
    1960s – Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba
    1965 – Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader
    1965-6 – Charles de Gaulle, President of France
    1967 – Che Guevara, Cuban leader
    1970 – Salvador Allende, President of Chile
    1970 – Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
    1970s, 1981 – General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
    1972 – General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
    1975 – Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
    1976 – Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
    1980-1986 – Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
    1982 – Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran
    1983 – Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander
    1983 – Miguel d’Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
    1984 – The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate
    1985 – Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt)
    1991 – Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq

    From Killing Hope by William Blum

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    I must have that one! At least certain things about Obama make me laugh. Most things though make me cry, swear or throw things!

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    So right you are. Since all the dems want is peace, love and joy (and the world will be as one…)because of Obama’s charisma (barf, gag, blech, retch), why don’t they just pull the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan 100%. Leave no man or woman behind. They can have the troops stay home and make friendship baskets to deliver to all of Barrakula’s new friends around the world. We don’t want our soldiers to look unfriendly with weapons and such. (snark)

  • listing starboard

    Clearly the Obama regime is going after Cheney to smear his name so that Liz Cheney will not get elected. Same thing they are doing to Palin.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    I find it bizarre that he wants it done so quickly

    The reason Barrakula wants it done so quickly is because the administration knows that the economy is going to get much, much worse. The commercial real estate market is in trouble and so is the commercial loan industry. Both will be tanking as more and more people cannot keep their shops open or pay their loans. The end quarter of 2009 is going to spark another massive downward slide. They know it. They also know that if the public knows it, there is not a snowball’s chance in hell that anyone will allow this administration to spend anymore money than they already have. They are taking the last cookie from the cookie jar, while no one is looking!

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    The bigger question is…when will the next terror attack against the US happen? The terrorists must be drooling over what an easy target we’re going to be under Barrakula.

  • Mary

    Yes, but every single one of those “attempts” were done at the behest of the president in the Oval Office at the time.

    CIA does what the President and Congress tell them to do. When things go badly, the President and Congress ALWAYS whine that the CIA has “gone rogue,” to avoid their own responsibility for complicity.

    Frankly, if Barak Obama isn’t interested in allowing the CIA to assassinate Al Queda leaders in Afghanistan, then he might just as well bring all our boys home.

    Can’t have it both ways.

  • CG

    too good to be true, yet another absurd chapter
    CIA was a long way from Jason Bourne

    here is a nugget from this article

    “If you’re born in Kansas, you’re always from Kansas,” the former official said. “I don’t care [how] you long you grow your beard, you’re still from Kansas.”

    and here’s another gem

    “Keeping activities like this secret is the biggest challenge,” said the second former U.S. intelligence official.

    how about this

    Citing the contrast with depictions in Hollywood, Zelikow said the agency’s efforts served as “one of the more spectacular demonstrations of the real world versus the imagined world of government omnipotence.”

  • Lisabona

    AMEN! Finally, somebody can say loudly, how indolent the majority ( the 90%) are.

  • hokma

    Unfortunately for Obama there is going to be a 2010 election in which, if trends continue, will be a landslide for the GOP in winning governor houses, Senate seats, and, most importantly, a majority in the House. That is when the needed corruption investigations will begin and will undo any effort Obama has been trying to usurp the Constitution.

  • oowawa

    POTUS, Pelosi and Panetta Promise Partisan Political Pandering

    Pusillanimous pussyfooters!

  • Docelder

    Can’t have it both ways.

    Yes, either we are at war or not at war. Either we are using our military to achieve an objective… else we are sacrificing them as political chattel. It is one thing to die for something… quite another to be sacrificed at the altar of politics.

  • mountainaires

    Yeah, I’m thinkin’ this is turning around and biting Democrats squarely in the ass, right about now. Good. It looked to me from the beginning that this was all about redeeming Pelosi from her vapidity on the “CIA lied to me” fiasco. The Democrats who wrote the letter had to backtrack to save Panetta; now, they’re going to be hung out to dry because the truth is coming into focus, and it looks bad for them–a barely concealed contempt for intelligence agents in the field, undermining our own national security in the process, causing morale at the Agency to plummet, acc. to insiders, who say all the experienced people are quitting out of disgust for the politicization of our intelligence capability.

    Watching it all play out, I couldn’t have more contempt for the Democratic Party.

  • Hg

    With people like these in charge, why the hell do we need enemies? Why don’t we just fight em here so we don’t have to fight em over there? The Obama regime has brought the war to our home turf.

  • socalannie

    Well said Mary.

  • chmoore

    I understand that the forces of political gravity make shit roll downhill at the CIA from ‘friends’ as well as enemies, but with all due respect, shouldn’t we question some of these assumptions?

    How do we know the “secret program” in question is some kind of in-house assassin bureau, just because media reports speculate so? Maybe it’s a PsyOp targeting the Taliban in Pakistan, or for all we know, surveillance drones doing test fly-overs in North Hollywood out of Edwards AFB.

    How do we know kissing O’s ring was involved? If Panetta is even remotely close to the consumate beltway insider he was said to be during confirmation, wouldn’t he likely think he has to do CYA, in case there’s a leak?

    Whether it’s about Cheney/Bush or Panetta/Pelosi, this now brings up a bigger question. From what I’ve read about the original law, CIA is supposed to brief The Hill, period. I have no doubt that the Prez has great influence, but are we now saying that the last 11 presidents always had full approval/veto power over whether or not the CIA briefs The Hill?

    If the CIA has been operating for 60 years by only briefing The Hill on what the White House “blesses” them to brief about, then we aguably have a bigger systemic problem than we imagined. What untold surprises might be in the histories of Allen Dulles and Ed Lansdale?

    Maybe we need a better standard, preventing the DCI from retribution for following the law. I’m sure we’ll get to that, right after we fix world hunger, cure cancer and destroy evil.

  • tango

    Oh, can I play too?

    Pusillanimous pussyfooting preening pantywaists!

  • oowawa

    LOL tango–the spirit of Spiro springs eternal!

  • American

    Mr Gorbell and Larry Johnson, I am not sure what the point of your post is? Lets assume that the story you tell is correct, although unless you have a true insiders account it is hard to know what actually happened given all the politics involved. What exactly is your critism? Are you critising that they killed a program that, if it had been around for 8 years, was ineffective and was having problems getting off the ground? What is wrong with that? Seems to make sense if this program was doing absolutely nothing. Are you defending that a program like this, which could have huge national implications with as you say “blow back”, was kept secret and away from those in congress who are entitled to know? You are really not very explicit in your points. You seem to be critising Pelosi, Panetta and Obama for this, but for what exactly? What exactly does Pelosi have to do with this? I don’t think she has said one word about this supposive program. Are you critising Panetta for cancelling an ineffective program? Maybe there are other programs in play right now that are designed to go after terrorists, which I assume there are, so this program had no use and that is why it was killed. Seems like a good decision by Panetta.

    To me it seems a little out there to have the VP of the United States working up assassination programs that it seems he largely controls. Are you alright with that? No checks and balances? The potential for significant national blow back would seem incredible. Not saying the CIA should not take the shot if they have it, but some kind of secretive black op run by the VP does not smell right to me. What if in the process of carrying out such an operation a ton of civilians are killed and an American agent or two is caught in say a country like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Iran or Germany or Russia? What would VP Cheney do? If he had continued to hide this program would he not be in big trouble if a program like this blew up?

    And let me get this straight. What you are saying is that the only time you tell congress about a program like this is after it is up and running. Given the potential for blowback here and the sensitivities, don’t you think someone in other branches of government should be aware of these types of programs before they are up and running and operational. Lets not forget it is congress official role to oversee the CIA (we went through all this in the 70s). I am not sure what exact jurisdiction the VP has over the CIA. What if Biden was working up a plan like this and not informing a Republican controlled congress? Wouldn’t you be up in arms?

    As far as Pelosi, lets not forget it was the Republicans that brought Pelosi into this. The Democrats where asking questions about torture, wireless wiretapping, interrogations, etc. All the stuff that went on during the Bush administration and they dame well should be asking these questions. It was the Republicans who tried to deflect their own responsibility, as it was their watch and they controlled everything, to the democrats and Pelosi specifically. They were claiming that some democrats like Pelosi knew everything that was going on and were therefore some how also responsible for any wrong doing. Pelosi quite correctly, in my view, was just defending herself. It seems to me that this secret program, whatever it was, illustrates that “yes” the CIA was holding back stuff from congress (there overseers) during the Bush years and to me this increases the likelihood that the Republican controlled CIA was not 100% truthful or informative with Pelosi. It is very likely that the CIA kept information from Pelosi. Anyways this is all besides the point. The Republicans are 100% responsible for what went on with interrogation, torture, wiretapping, etc. whether they want to deflect attention toward Pelosi or not.

    It is not so much about the program that was hidden itself, it is that it directly shows that the CIA did hide stuff from their overseers congress during the Bush years. In fact, they have a long history of doing this. Whether this was 100% the CIA’s fault or the 100% Bush administration fault it is hard to tell. Why don’t you direct your anger at the real culprits here. The Bush Administration and specifically Cheney. It seems like they put the CIA in this position.

  • Docelder

    On September 12, 2001… everybody wanted Bin Laden dead or alive. But politics has evolved into an endeavor where winning has replaced civic duty. So, now with Palin stepping down… now more than ever the left and the underlying agenda needs to resurrect the ghost of Bush & Co. This is only because if Obama fails to define himself as anything other than the anti-Bush or the anti-Palin then he becomes only what he stands for by himself. He becomes nothing himself without an evil Bush or a hayseed Palin to contrast himself and the larger agenda against.

  • American

    I don’t think Obama has ever really ever said anything ever about Palin. And really mentions Bush.

    It is 100% fair that Obama, especially in the first part of his term, is being 100% defined by Bush. He is spending almost all of his time trying to fixed the problems that Bush created.

    You always try to make everything about Obama. Are you really that stupid? I get it you think he is evil and you did not vote for him. It is getting rather boring. You lost the election and the country is going in a direction you do not agree with. Too bad. Hope your candidate wins next time.

    Your lens is very narrow.

  • http://firefox AnnieCollier

    Believe me all America would have cheered Bush, Cheney and the CIA had bin Laden been assassinated, let’s not forget that, and when al Qaeda leaders were killed in fact it was celebrated on television broadcasts and in print.

    You are correct. As I recall, many people would not vote (forgive me, God, I voted for both) for Gore or Kerry seeing them as “pantywaists” against terror. As one friend said after 9/11: “Bush and Cheney are mean SOB’s and that’s just who I want to see go after the bastards who attacked us.” I half agreed but voted Democrat anyway. Boy was I dumb eh duped.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Second that.

  • Docelder

    You always try to make everything about Obama.

    Panetta owes his job to Obama and he came running to Obama with this bone as soon as he dug it up. So, yes this is as much about Obama as it is Panetta or Pelosi. But really, I don’t think Obama is anything past a tool. He is like a turtle sitting on the top of a fence post… you know he didn’t get up there on his own.

  • CG

    As I have stated above it is inconceivable to me that this leaked story is legitimate especially because it is so obvious that everyone in the world knew that the CIA employed assassination squads to hunt down and kill or capture suspected al Qaeda leaders and operatives, it simply was not a secret to the public. There is no reason to believe that the CIA could not hold a secret briefing with Congress on this program. Also it makes absolutely no sense that the CIA could secretly brief Congress on the illegal torture and extraordinary rendition of suspected al Qaeda but felt they had to keep a briefing on assassination squads secret from Congress. So as a refresher of memories let’s revisit this Exposing the CIA’s Italian Kidnapping Plot sure to please as it references a connection with the Boston Red Sox owner, and statements from the infamous Michael Scheuer, and the connection to those central to the transmission of the forged Yellowcake dossier, article from 2006. With this story published 3 years ago, how dumb do you expect us to be to think this currently leaked account of the secret briefing of Panetta to Congress is the truth? Here is an update from May 2009 Trial over ‘CIA-led’ kidnapping of Egyptian cleric to continue, Italian judge rules

    Th e [26] American defendants are being tried in absentia. All have court-appointed lawyers who have had no contact with their clients.

    The CIA has refused to comment on the case

    .

    Just saying this doesn’t add up that in June 2009 Panetta held a secret briefing with Congress when this story and others have been out there for the world to consume… and whatever it is that Panetta actually briefed to Congress has to be much worse than even this published account, in order to essentially say, as the leak implies, that the CIA
    is incapable and that it has never implemented a plan to assassinated or capture al Qaeda leaders and operatives in the last 8 plus years.

  • Docelder

    Also, like assassination squads are too personal, but assassination drones are alright. There is quite a bit of hypocrisy in there.

  • American

    Great a tool…. i get it, you don’t like the guy and disagree with him. All the name calling is getting really boring.

    I think Obama has completely kept out of this whole CIA issue. Sure he put Panetta in there, but so what. Panetta has done nothing wrong. In fact he has gone out of his way to protect the CIA. Beyond that you don’t know what you are talking about because you really don’t have the details.

    I think you need to understand the story better. Panetta, as he is required, briefed the House Intelligence Committee. In that briefing he brought up, as he exactly should do and is required to do, a program that the CIA had not told congress about. It was then members of the Intelligence Committee specifically Chairman Reyes in a letter sent to House leadership informed them about this program tht was hidden. What ever the program is.

    What exactly did Panetta do wrong? Should he not have informed the House Intelligence Committee about this program? That is his job.

    Should Reyes not have written a letter to the house leadership informing them of the situation? Why should it not be made public that the CIA was hiding a program. And if it supports Pelosi claim that the CIA was not 100% upfront with her, good.

    And what exactly does this have to do with Pelosi? She has not even been involved in this revealing of this program and she has not said one word on it.

    It is the Republicans who are laughing as they are deflecting all their responsiblity for all the crap that happened and are loving that the CIA “may” be in a fight with the Democrats, although that is question, as everyone knows where the blame belongs, Cheney.

  • Docelder

    Why should it not be made public that the CIA was hiding a program.

    If the CIA can’t conduct business out of the public domain then we might as well disband it… because it will never be effective again anyway given those restraints. What would we have then? Some “open source” intelligence agency that shares everything it knows with the entire world?

  • American

    How do you know that the program that was held back from congress that was revealled by Panetta had to do with assassinations. The only source that said that was the WSJ. Hardly a Democratic bastion. In fact, it is funny that the post above and others are blaming the democrats for exposing an assassination program, when it was actually the WSJ, the apologist newspaper for Cheney that revealled this program.

    There are other ex-CIA people who are saying what Panetta was talking about may have to do with domestic surveillance. The whole assissination program may be in addition to what Panetta was talking about.

    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/13/the-cia-what-was-it-up-to/

    Another funny aspect of this story is that Liz Cheney is saying that the reason her father hide the program was because the democrats could not be trusted with national security. That is really unbelievable. Can’t follow the law because you don’t want to tell democrats. I guess we are back to this argument that democrats are not patriotic enough. Sounds like the Republicans are playing politics with intelligence.

  • American

    You did not read what I wrote. The program was no reveal and it is not okay to reveal actual intelligence. What was revealled was that the CIA “hid” a program from congress. A bit different. Nothing wrong to revealling that the CIA may have broken the law.

  • Docelder

    Sounds like the Republicans are playing politics with intelligence.

    This is becoming so transparent. Blame the opposition for what you yourself are doing, or what you plan to do yourself. This is exactly what the Obama administration is doing here… playing politics with intelligence. Intelligence is the sacrificial lamb here for one more stab at the evil Bush & Co. Bush & Co. can’t fade away, because without them this administration doesn’t exist and hasn’t defined itself for what it is… only what it isn’t.

  • Peggy Sue

    Sounds like the Democrats [the party of my birth] is getting increasingly hysterical in justifying a totally stupid accusation. You want to cover ass, whether it be Pelosi’s or not, the Dems need to get their ducks in order.

    Cheney wanted to kill, assassinate, tear to shreds Osama and his merry band?

    Duh! Check with the majority of American voters. Everyone [at least the people I know, left and right] wanted the same thing. Still do. And until you have a smoking gun of Cheney’s “other” intentions, the vague insinuations are lame and look ridiculous.

    The Dems not to be trusted with national security? When you’re running with stories like this, you’re helping the opposition to paint you all in broad strokes: leftist nutjobs.

    An you all have the nerve to rant on birthers. Get a mirror!

  • CG

    American,

    The New York Times, The LA Times and the Washington Post have variations of this leak which is supposed to be the topic of Panetta’s secret briefing; the leaked story evolves with each report. Perhaps you might reread my comments above and click to links to note the various versions and the source. That may help you to understand the point I am redundantly making.

  • Retired

    Hey, I like that EAFB drones over NoHo angle. The thing is, is there anything in NoHo that non-NoHoers care about? A few Edwards mssions over NoHo would probably cost about a mil, though.

  • CG
  • American

    Nothing wrong with taking out terrorists. The Democrats what to do that too. That is not the issue. The issue is about congressional oversight of the CIA. We put together laws regarding this in the 70s. Go read the history.

  • TeakWoodKite

    You seem to be critising Pelosi, Panetta and Obama for this, but for what exactly? What exactly does Pelosi have to do with this? I don’t think she has said one word about this supposive program.

    .

    Calling the CIA and the men and women liars? Not one word, eh?

    So the little circular freak show Panetta, Pelosi and Obama are putting on for all of us is what?

    What does she have to do with this you ask? Everything. House intelligence, speaker of the PEOPLES house and using the CIA as a political whipping post.
    Did it ever occur to you that they WERE briefed? and now the CYA has become a fashion statement to accessories with at the expense of national security? Either way it WAS classified and very few Americans will ever know what the “program” is/was.

    As Mr. Johnson said initially and it still holds true, there are not enough facts to work with.
    Do you object to whacking OBL and all his Friends in that Sesame Street hood?

  • American

    Not the issue. The issue is about oversight of the CIA. We can have 1000 assissination programs, but the CIA is required to tell congress. It is the law. That is the issue. And if the CIA, at likely Cheney’s encouragement, was holding programs back from congress. Might have been an assassignation program or could have been something else. The fact that the CIA was not telling the congress everything is precisely the point. If they were doing this who is to say they were not telling Pelosi 100% on interogrations.

  • CentralMass

    Hmmm, I hope they hire some good programmers..

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    i pray this happens

  • CentralMass

    I think this is nothing but a big ditaaction. Slight of hand, to draw attention away from investigating those who made torture, policy. a toothless attempt at that.

  • American

    The CIA could have very well held information back from Peolsi and “lied” to her. How do you know they did not? If they are holding programs back then how do you know they did not lie to Pelosi. By the way Pelosi was not using the CIA as her whipping post as you call it. She was being accused by the Republican in order to deflect their own responsiblity that they were not guilt of anything because Pelosi knew everything. Pelosi simply gave a press conference to say that she did not know everything and that the CIA did not tell her everything or the truth. Since then many others have come out and said they also were not told everything about interrogations and the CIA own records have inconsistency errors. There is a lot of stuff that makes one beleive that it is more likely the CIA was not giving Pelosi 100% of the information on interogrations or were even lying to her. Hiding a major program also is direct evidence that the CIA was holding back info from congress.

    By the way when exactly did Obama and Panetta say that the CIA are liars? Can you find me the quotes please? Obama more than likely wants to have nothing to do with this. He has said to many liberals wrath that he would rather look forward than back.

    No objections with taking out OBL. Take the shot.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    it,s unanimous

  • Mary

    YEP. Leaking the info to the NYTimes should let their constituents know they’re not to be trusted with “secrets.”

    And all that, to save Pelosi’s nappy ass.

    Good grief.

  • Peggy Sue

    I don’t need to read the history, American. I was there with a beating heart.

    But I repeat, you want people to believe that Dems are soft on fighting terrorism, just keep running with these ridiculous stories. I don’t like Cheney anymore than you do, but until the Dems have more than a wet dream, they ought to shut up. Or look like fools and raving maniacs, the very people they claim to hate.

  • Mary

    Oh, horseshit.

    What was revealed was that Democratic Party members ran to the NYTimes to get the information to the public and the world, and to make Nancy Pelosi look better. Pure politics.

    You’d THINK they’d know better.

  • Mary

    Wrong again, hot shot.

    It IS the issue. Our special forces have snipers and hit squads specially trained to “take out” Al Queda leaders at a moment’s notice.

    Bill Clinton began this idea, Bush/Cheney continued it after 9/ll, and you can bet your bottom dollar Barak Obama is doing the same in Afghanistan.

    If he’s not, he needs to be replaced.

  • Mary

    Not anymore. Per Barak Obama’s new orders to troops in Afghanistan, all prisoners have to be read their Miranda Rights when brought to Bagram Airport for interrogation.

    You didn’t know?

  • TeakWoodKite

    American, you are assuming that Pelosi was NOT briefed and you unwilling to admit the possibility she was. Or worse from what I can tell she did not care at the time. Why then would she react so negatively in reaction to Harmon’s CYA letter?

  • CG

    for you the issue in this thread is the perceived disrespect being shown to Pelosi and your need to defend her honor when it comes to disclosure from the CIA which is accorded by law.

    for me however, the point is that right now a fake story has been leaked of which the media is reporting, that the secret Panetta briefing to Congress in June is about assassination programs to hunt down, kill or capture al Qaeda leaders and operatives, that I maintain cannot be fact when this is no secret, so therefore there would be no need for Panetta to brief Congress about a program Congress already knew about three or more years ago. It means that the currently fabricated story, a lie, is being hawked for cover of the actual briefing. It is repulsive to me to be blatently lied to yet again. If you would only reread my comments without the bias of protecting Pelosi my point would be obvious.

  • TeakWoodKite

    If they are holding programs back

    You assume the CIA did. That is my point. You or I do NOT have the facts. Just words from un-named sources.

  • Peggy Sue

    Come on, Teakwood. You’re assuming American has a point here. They’re shooting blanks into the air, all in attempt to protect the Speaker of the House, who said she wasn’t “informed” about waterboading but [as you clearly state] refused to sign on to Harmon’s letter.

    It’s BS, taken to an art form. And it’s the very thing the Far Left hated about the Far Right [myself included].

    American and his/her cohorts are only proving the point: the public has no party to trust or represent its interests. Only mudfights between squabbling midgets.

  • CG

    If anyone is interested, here are two very good articles related to this topic
    Bush’s Hit Teams by Robert Parry
    and
    Cheney Sweats Out the Summer by Ray McGovern

  • Retired

    He is. American military snipers are operating in Afghanistan right now, and they are killing terrorists from so far away that their targets don’t evem hear the shot before they die. And not just Americans. Canadians, British, Australians and a couple of other countries who prefer to remain unnamed.
    No Miranda rights, no trial,just locate, sight, squeeze, gone. This is done with the direct knowledge of and authorization by President Obama (for the Anerican contingent). How do I know? I talked to a couple of them when they got back. Comments?

  • Up

    It was the WSJ that first reported this. Not a bastion of the Democrats.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Great post. Thank you.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Since American’s fears are preventing him/her an open mind on the Pelosi’s virginity, you bet he is shooting blanks.

    Respectfully, I wouldn’t assume anything about someone who would defend Pelosi BO Panetta Ried or any other. No need to :) , It’s there in black and white.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Please thank them for their service and exellent aim.

    Panetta; “We are up 56 this month. But Nancy it is really hard to get the job done with you saying the CIA was lying.”

    Nancy; “ummm, better than last month. Yea, that is unfortunate, but my mouth was on the line. But now it seems like my ass is on the line instead. I will need you to pretend to run up to the hill and act all scared and paniced, and we will leak sayin’ you fessed up.”
    Pannetta; “OK. But the presidents in Russia”.
    Nancy; Who cares? It’s may ass on the line and BO can get shit done if I am damaged goods!”

    Panetta; “Ok, I will let him know who’s the boss.”

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