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obama: i don’t know anything about it, except the white cop acted stupidly

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By now you’ve heard about the arrest of Henry Gates. But did you hear that Obama, while admitting he didn’t know the facts, said the Police acted “stupidly”. How the hell does he know? He doesn’t even know the facts! Heck, he doesn’t even have the story right. Check out all the stories on memorandum.

Wow, another race card. And Obama said, “I think it’s fair to say any of us would be pretty angry.” Why would ANYONE be angry if someone saw two men trying to bust down a door and called the police? I would be glad neighbors were looking out for my home. WHY why why would that make anyone angry? The police come and you show your ID. End of story.

Sgt. James Crowley was doing his job, responding to a 911 call of a possible B&E and was attacked, called a racist, and now is being told he acted “stupidly” by the President of the United States. By a President who doesn’t even have his facts straight. Witnesses support Crowley.

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View this video here.


First of all, Gates did not forget his keys. He returned home from China and found his front door stuck. He went around back, let himself into his home, and then tried, with his driver, to force open the front door.

A woman who was walking past, on her way to work – who lives five miles away - saw the two men breaking in to a home. She called 911 and reported two black men with backpacks trying to force entry into a home. People kept asking why this neighbor didn’t recognize Gates, as if the fault is hers that she didn’t recognize him.

One comment I read, “How much will anyone bet that the so-called “neighbour” is a white person who doesn’t much like this Black guy living in his/her neighbourhood.” Wow, another race card. A woman, 40-year-old Lucia Whalen of Malden, was passing a house on her way to work, saw two men trying to break down the front door and called 911. Now she is racist? She wasn’t a neighbor. She worked nearby and she did see two black men trying to force open a door.

Sgt. James Crowley arrived on the scene and saw Gates inside the front door. The witness was on the sidewalk and was waving and pointing at the home telling the officer the men were in the home.

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Crowley approached the front door and asked Gates to step outside. According to the police report, and Gates himself, Gates refused and demanded to know who he was (a fully dressed police officer?) Crowley says he was responding to a call about a possible B&E and Gates responds, “Why, because I’m a black man in America?”

Gates continued to berate the officer, and refused to step outside, nor would he provide ID. He called the officer racist. He threw out “do you know who I am” and “you haven’t heard the last of me”. Gates also picked up the phone, called someone, and demanded to speak to “The Chief” then asked what the Chief’s name is.

Read the entire police report here, and the second report by Carlos Figueroa. (The Boston Globe has scrubbed the police report from their site)

This is the statement issued through Gates’ lawyer.

Gates refused to exit the home, he did not show his ID until he had made a phone call, yelled repeatedly at the officer, and accused him of racism. There were several witnesses, and his story was corroborated in a second police report.

The police officer knew that there were two men, per the 911 call. Crowley was following protocol by asking Gates to step outside. He also asked Gates if there was anyone in the house and Gates told him it was none of his business.

Gates opened up the door at some point, and Crowley entered the house, and Gates then walked into his kitchen where he retrieved his Harvard ID. He continued to insult Crowley and call him a racist.

Gates has now admitted to saying, “Are you not giving me your name and badge number because I’m a black man in America?”

It seems to me he is now creating stories to explain the phrases he was heard yelling, as quoted in the police report. I have listened to witnesses, see photos, and read numerous articles, including his statements, and the police depts.

Can people honestly believe that when the officer asked for Gates to step outside, and for his ID, had Gates obliged and explained the situation he would have been arrested? Seriously? There is no chance that Gates was pissed off at his door being jammed, pissed that the cops showed up, and acted irrational, which led to the arrest?

It’s just automatically racism on the part of the officer? Sounds to me like it is elitism *you don’t know who you’re dealing with!* From everything I have read Gates had major attitude, and pulled the elitism and racism cards. The police have a job to do, and I can’t imagine it does anyone any good to scream at them while trying to do it.

There has been an increase in daytime robberies in Gate’s neighborhood, he should have been thankful they were protecting his home. Not indignant because he was asked for ID.

A 55-year-old neighbor said he witnessed the entire episodefrom the squeal of police brakes in the initial response to Gates’ uproar. “The police did their job. He should be thanking them, but they shouldn’t have arrested the guy,” the neighbor added.

Gates brought race into the situation by accusing Crowley of being racist, and by blaming the situation on being a black man in America. Sgt. Crowley was responding to a 911 call. Race had nothing to do with his showing up on Gates’ porch.

Isn’t Gates being the racist by assuming because Crowley is white he is racist?

Gates was not arrested for being in his home. He was arrested for disorderly conduct and refusing to comply with an officer. He wasn’t arrested because he is black, but he sure acted like an ass because the officer was white, and that’s what got him thrown in the slammer.

Bill Carter, the man who snapped a photograph of Gates being led away in handcuffs, said police officers were calm and that Gates was “slightly out of control” and “agitated” when he was arrested.

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“The officers around kind of calmed him down,” Carter said. “I heard him yelling — Mr. Gates yelling. I didn’t hear anything that he was saying so I couldn’t say that he was belligerent.”

There was an article on Daily Beast, and the author wrote:

“…tells you that even if a black man is a brilliant, famous, rich, classy, Harvard professor who’s 58 years old, walking with a cane because of hip-replacement surgery, and ensconced in his own Cambridge home during the day, he can still be arrested. That’s because Malcolm X’s 40-year-old quote is still true: “What do you call a black man with a Ph.D.? A nigger.”

Wow, really…? It should tell you that anyone who disobeys police orders/attacks police/breaks the law can be arrested. It shouldn’t matter how rich, affluent or classy someone is. I never argue with police orders, ever.

The Police Dept. dropped the charges, but stands behind the officer, saying he obeyed proper procedure. A statement was released, “All parties agree that this is a just resolution to an unfortunate set of circumstances.”

That wasn’t good enough for Gates, though. He is now demanding an apology and denying he yelled at the officer. Despite what the witnesses say…

Gates said that when he walked outside it was like a cop convention there were so many police outside. Crowley didn’t call for backup until Gates was refusing to comply with his orders, and refusing to show his ID. The way Gates tells it, they were already there. Gee…lawsuit?

Gates said he was arrested because a white cop couldn’t tolerate having an intellectual black man stand up to him.

Gates made it about race and refused to comply with the request of a police officer. Why was Gates “standing up to him”, as he stated he was?

Why was he so pissed a policeman was asking for ID because of a call about a potential break in? Why was he so pissed that the policeman was responding to a potential B&E call that he would demand his name and ID? What had Crowley done that made Gates demand that information?

He couldn’t reply “Hello officer, yes I am the owner, I have been out of town, and my door was stuck. Here is my ID, and Harvard ID. Thank you for responding so quickly and keeping an eye on our neighborhood.”

(BTW, the door was stuck because Gates thinks that someone tried to break in while he was in China.)

“Because of the capricious whim of one disturbed person . . . I am now a black man with a prison record,” Gates said. “You can look at my mug shot on the Internet.”

Because of the actions of Gates, Crowley, “…a highly respected veteran supervisor with a distinguished record in the Cambridge Police Department,’’ is having to defend himself against charges of racism by Gates, and charges of stupidity by Obama.

“His actions at the scene of this matter were consistent with his training, with the informed policies and practices of the Department, and with applicable legal standards.’’ said the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association.

Michael Graham from Boston Herald wrote:

Colorblind test failed … by Gates with his racial profiling of the white cop.

The Gates who greeted Crowley was a racist. And I know, because the professor said so himself.

By his own admission, Gates didn’t just blame the incident on the fact that he is “a black man.” He also added the accusatory question, “Are you doing this because you’re a white police officer?”

According to an eyewitness quoted in the Herald yesterday, when police asked him for ID, Gates started yelling, “I’m a Harvard professor . . . You believe white women over black men.”

From the Boston Herald, we learn that Crowley comes from a family of police officers:

Verina Crowley said James is the third of her four sons, all in law enforcement. Two brothers, Jack and Joseph, also work for the Cambridge police. The fourth, Daniel, is a Middlesex County deputy sheriff.

Verina Crowley said her sons were raised mostly in the Fresh Pond neighborhood where she still lives, attended racially diverse Cambridge public schools, and graduated from Cambridge Rindge and Latin High School, where she worked for 26 years.

“He is not a racist,’’ she said in the hallway of her home. And Gates “is not the first black person he ever met in his life.’’

“…it was not the first time he had a memorable encounter in the line of duty with a prominent black man. Nearly 16 years ago, as a Brandeis University police officer, Crowley desperately tried to save the life of Reggie Lewis after the Boston Celtics star collapsed while practicing in the school gym.

“It bothers him terribly that he couldn’t save him,’’ Crowley’s 74-year-old mother, Verina Crowley, said yesterday, speaking of her son and the famous basketball player.

This isn’t the first time Crowley has been accused of racism though:

Yesterday, as President Obama condemned the Cambridge Police Department during a prime-time White House news conference and Crowley steadfastly refused to issue the apology that Gates has sought, a fuller picture began to emerge of the 42-year-old sergeant who arrested the Harvard scholar last week on a charge of disorderly conduct on the porch of Gates’s Cambridge house.

Crowley was a certified emergency medical technician when he performed cardiopulmonary resuscitation on Lewis, to no avail, after the player’s heart stopped on July 27, 1993. In a Globe interview later that day, Crowley said he rushed to the university’s Shapiro Gymnasium, confirmed that Lewis had no pulse, and frantically tried to revive him.

“I just kept on going,’’ he said. “I just kept thinking, ‘Don’t let him die – just don’t die.’ ’’

The Cambridge cop prominent Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. claims is a racist gave a dying Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in a desperate bid to save the Celtics superstar’s life 16 years ago Monday.

“I wasn’t working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn’t working on a black man. I was working on another human being,” Sgt. James Crowley, in an exclusive interview with the Herald, said of the forward’s fatal heart attack July 27, 1993, at age 27 during an off-season practice at Brandeis University, where Crowley was a campus police officer.

It’s a date Crowley still can recite by rote – and he still recalls the pain he suffered when people back then questioned whether he had done enough to save the black athlete.

“Some people were saying ‘There’s the guy who killed Reggie Lewis’ afterward. I was broken-hearted. I cried for many nights,” he said.

Now, 16 years later, he is accused of racism by Gates, one of the foremost scholars on race in America.

And accused of stupidity by the President of the United States. Just for trying to do his job.

Perhaps Gates shouldn’t have been arrested for his rude behavior and his abusive tone and disorderly conduct – at this point I don’t know how disorderly he was. But Crowley shouldn’t have been abused and called a racist for doing his job. Gates created the situation, he elevated the situation, and he was in the wrong. People are arrested all the time for disobeying police orders. You just don’t do it. I don’t care who you are.

Gates is obviously a very learned man, very intelligent, and a very genteel man. He has lived almost 60 years, is very, very successful, and has never had any problems with the law before. He has won numerous awards, and recognitions, and lives in a very nice community in Harvard. But that does not give him the right to accuse someone of being racist, just for doing their job. Especially when he admits to throwing around the race card. That also doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of acting irrational. (Remember Grannie getting tasered in the above video?)

I think Gates needs to man up and admit he was out of line, and I think both he and Obama owe Sgt. James Crowley an apology. I can’t believe Obama would take a dirty shot at our Police Officers like that, especially not knowing the facts. Officers that put their lives on the line every day to protect and serve.

Crowley replied on how he felt about Obama’s comments:

A white police sergeant who arrested renowned black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. says he’s disappointed President Barack Obama said police acted “stupidly” without knowing all the facts.

In an interview on WEEI on Thursday morning, Crowley said it was “disappointing that he waded into what should be a local issue.”

And btw, when Obama said that if he were trying to break into the White house he’d “be shot” mean that he thinks the Secret Service and DC police are racist? I kind of think anyone trying to break into “his house” would be arrested or shot.

  • Docelder

    For the life of me, I can’t see how somebody breaking into their own house could wind up get arrested in their own home for the encounter with police. It seems to me the man would just say… this is my house I live here. The cop could ask to see i.d. and when the address matched could just say… we had a report of a break in attempt. Sorry to inconvenience you. Bye. Did the man handle it badly, maybe but who among us wouldn’t be ticked first we had to break into our own house and then deal with the police when we aren’t in such a good mood to begin with. Let’s be real though, some people who become cops have a sort of an issue with power and authority which they carry with them into these encounters. You don’t have to be black to have experienced some of that.

    • sandi78

      It would have worked like that if Gates had produced his ID when it was requested. What police officer worth his badge is going to just take your word for it that it IS your house? But Gates is already pissed off that the officer didn’t know who he was and how important he was, so he refused to produce ID which included his address until he was told he’d be arrested if he didn’t produce it. Gates was arrogant, racist, and out of control completely. He should be apologising, but he never will.

      It’s not surprising that his lawyer and fellow Harvard professor talked about the president of the United States as “Barack”.

      Then we get to the president of the United States opening is mouth and inserting both feet, on national/international television. In prime time even. At least he admitted that he didn’t know anything about it, which is more than he did about his “health insurance plan”. Too many videos to scrub here, I’d think.

      Is there anyone who still believes that Obama is qualified for the position he now holds?

      • Country First

        I never believed Obama was qualified or fit for POTUS in the first place.

        I’m so sick of this racist bull sh-t! Had someone called the law when they saw me breaking into my house, I would have appreciated their vigilance. Had it been a real B & E it could have saved thousands of $.

      • tzada

        Just a day or two before this Obama was shooting off his mouth at a NAACP meeting. He was using similar words about whites holding back, gays, blacks and Latinos.

        To find out this was all a setup would not surprise me a bit.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      Gates was not breaking in technically – the door was stuck, so he went around back, let himself in, and then asked the driver to help him shove open the front door. He believed it had been tampered with while he was in China. So, if he were indeed locked out of his house, I could see him being cranky, but he wasn’t. He just used the back door.

      The scenario you laid out is normal, and is what should have happened, and would have happened, had Gates not started accusing Crowley of thinking he broke into his house because he was black.

      I agree that there are some bad cops out there, but I don’t think people should just start attacking any cop just because they were in a bad mood. Cops have a dangerous and scary job, and we are lucky that people do the job, IMHO.

      • Docelder

        Here’s where I see this differently, if this happened in a public area, then Gates would have been disturbing the peace etc. In his own home, having established that he lives there, then it becomes different. Since there was no crime, the cops needed to have the good sense to just leave. They did not have that good sense.

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          he followed Crowley out the door, and continued to berate him. He was then handcuffed.

        • ces

          So we should just let the cops leave a scene just ‘cuz somebody gets a bit irate?

          If Gates had just shown his Driver’s License or even his passport (which he should have had handy because he just got back from China, right?!!!) then the cop would THEN have known it was, in fact, Gates’ own house.

          The cop should have walked away at that point.

          But Gates’ played the big ol’ race card BEFORE showing his ID.

          ——

          My neighbor a couple house down just had two AA youths try to break into the front door of his house…if I had seen it happening, should I have NOT called because they were of a certain skin color??? This is what AANN (formerly known as CNN) and the TOTUS are telling me. Absurd.

        • Al

          No. If you read all the reports, Gates took this outdoors, in front of witnesses on the street. If he had done the “smart thing” and just backed down, then he most likely would not have gotten arrested. The “arrest” report would not have been an arrest report, just a report regarding a response that turned out to be a case of no B&E occuring and the homeowner being “okay”.

          The policeman was not technically wrong here. Gates, for whatever reason (some allege the Harvard superiority mindset probably played a part) kept pushing buttons until he pushed too far.

          It is also unfortunate that the POTUS had to respond the way he did, wehen he did not have all the facts straight. Question from the press or not, this was not the correct way to respond.

          • Docelder

            The cop is going to lose here. He arrested the guy because the guy felt offended and wanted some final acknowledgment that he was right. The guy should have let it rest, but so should the cop. Only one of the two parties actually has a duty to do the right thing. He didn’t. Now his department will pay for his mistake. He should at least apologize to them.

            • ces

              Read the report. The cop was trying to report via his radio that everything was OK. Gates continued to be loud, offensive and impede the officer’s ability to DO HIS JOB.

              AT ANY TIME, Gates (while in his home) could have shut up and not had to have handcuffs.

              • Docelder

                The cop was trying to report via his radio that everything was OK.

                So we really have nested incidents. The first incident being resolved. The arrest was for more for insubordination… a refusal to obey the cop… to let the cop be right… even as the man remained on his own private property. In a battle of will… in the end the guy with the gun wins?

                • ces

                  No, the guy trying to DO HIS JOB by defusing the situation “wins”, or should win.

                  Gates was escalating the incident. And in light of the fact Gates continued this outside where other people were beginning to gather, the officer DID HIS JOB and defused the situation by physically removing Gates (after multiple attempts to verbally calm him).

                  Most of us have never had to deal with cops, so when they get direct with us, we tend to get a bit defensive….when IN THIS CASE, the officer was following procedure.

                  The first “incident” was not resolved completely, Docelder…the cop has to report to dispatch the information on the ID. Now, the report indicates the cop was willing to believe Gates lived there and that there wasn’t any reason to continue “holding” Gates.

                  But Gates continues to do things that prevented the officer from finishing his duties. And then Gates FOLLOWED the officer outside, continuing to be a disruption.

                  D, this isn’t about guns. This isn’t about the big bad ol’ government coming in the night to steal your cookies. This is about a man UNWILLING to COOPERATE in an investigation that is ironically PROTECTING his home from harm.

                  If Gates had cooperated fully and calmly, and the officer was back at their squad car, and THEN Gates starts spewing shit, and THEN the officer comes BACK to arrest Gates….then maybe your argument would have validity. But that wasn’t the case. Gates’ behavior prevented the officer from finishing his duties. Pure and simple.

                • tzada

                  To me Obama and his Harvard friend are racists. Verbally attacking the police officer was wrong. In some cases it could be considered trying to incite a racial riot. It has been tried and done before.

                  The man who has no past also has no class.

                • to77

                  No, in the end the Police Officer wins. Yeah, that is the way our society works. It’s called keeping law and order in our communities. It’s not about right it is about compliance, what idiot doesnt understand this basic truth. You do what a cop says, period.

                  • NomNomNom

                    “You do what a cop says, period.”
                    No. Only when the cop is within the law with his/her directives.

        • ConfusedAmerican

          He followed the officers outside and continued this tirade. Hw was asked several times to calm down and warned at least twice.

          I do that if he had been white, he would probably still have charges against him.

          With all the castrophes within the world what the H3LL is Obama doing sticking his neck into a domestic issue which he did not personally witness.
          Looks like we are seeing the Rev Wright coming out again. This proffesor is very similar to Wright in demeanor.

          • tzada

            Look even liberal Mass is questioning Obama’s attitude.

            But many in Massachusetts said he crossed a line by passing judgment on police while acknowledging he did not have all the facts. Online polls in Massachusetts show strong support for the white arresting officer. A police union and his department’s chief also came out strongly in his defense.

            “Based on what I have seen and heard from the other officers, he maintained a professional decorum during the course of the entire situation and conducted himself in a professional manner,” Cambridge Police Department Commissioner Robert Haas told a news conference.

            Obama’s comment stunned the city’s policemen, Haas added. “They were very much deflated.” He said he has appointed a panel to review Gates’ arrest.

            Others questioned whether Obama should have so strongly backed Gates, a friend, over the police without knowing fully what took place.

            http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE56M5NM20090723

        • Diana

          That is BS unless you’re telling me a woman wearing a string bikini is more of a threat against four male police officers than two men who are suspected of breaking into a home?

          That’s right I was arrested for the exact same thing. A white woman. I had/had an anniversary party for my husband and I. It was our 5th wedding anniversary. One of our neighbors was angry she wasn’t invited. We had a cook out and were just sitting around talking. No loud music, nothing. She called the police and said we were being too loud. So the police came and told us to keep it down if they had to come back again someone was going to be arrested, so we told everyone it’s time to break it up.

          The DA was at my home and said he’d take care of it. We said no, it’s getting late so we’ll call it a night. Well later on I went swimming. My husband locked all the doors, so I was trying to climb in the window. The same neighbor called the police again knowing it was me and said I was breaking into my home.

          So now two men grab me from behind, don’t identify themselves as police officers and I turn around and slugged one in the mouth. He had to go to the hospital. I was half nude and men were grabbing me. I was fighting for my life as far as I was concerned.

          Then I saw their uniforms and apologized. They asked me for an ID and just where was I supposed to keep it? I was in a string bikini. I was on our property swimming. I went off. I was arrested for assulting a police officer and disorderly conduct.

          At court the police officers admitted they did not identify themselves. So they dropped those charges, but I was still charged with disorderly conduct. I had to pick up trash on the freeway for 10 days, and I had to pay a 500 dollar fine.

          Now I’ll wait to see what this guy has to do. Let’s see the real discrimination in all it’s glory. Women serve longer sentences than men on every single account. I’ll guarantee you he won’t have to do half of what I had to do and I was no where near as beligerant.

          The only thing I told them is it’s a damn good thing they were wearing uniforms or I wouldn’t have stopped and I still should kick their asses for even thinking to grab a woman in that way. It’s my damn house they were just there and talked to me in clothing. So they know it’s my house.

          Oh and this lovely police officer, the one I hit told me that my husband said since I was arrested he didn’t want me back, to come home. That he had a place where me and my toddlers could stay. To go home pack up my things and call him. He’d help me. Told me my husband went to work so I wouldn’t have a ride unless I waited for him to finish his shift, then we could take care of things.

          I was still in a string bikini getting cat calls from all the inmates. I left without him knowing and called a taxi. When I got home, my husband who didn’t want me anymore was there calling lawyers. He didn’t go to work he was waiting on me. That same police officer told him that I wouldn’t be released till Monday. Who knows what that guy would have did if I waited for him to get off his shift.

          So it had nothing to do with him being AA. I am not even in the same state as he is. Unless of course you and Obama are telling me that it’s Ok to do it to a white woman, but it’s not Ok to do it to an AA because of his skin color? I’d say that’s MORE THAN a little racist…

        • hokma

          According to the law in Massachusetts Gates was distrubing the law and was rightfully arrested.

          The problem Gates and the punk president have is that there were eye witnesses who all support the police report and do not support Gates.

          Gates is the one who is a racists and who owes an apology for slandering a police officer who was doing his job.

          As far as Obama in this, he was never qualified to be President and as every day of the last 6 months go by we see more of that.

    • ahs

      I completely agree with you, right up to the point where you say that there’s no racial factor to examine.

      I do think “stupid” is an accurate word for the cop’s actions, but I don’t think he is a racist. Still, I think there’s a racial angle.

      It’s this: I can understand Gates getting more agitated than I (a white guy) would have in the same situation. There are solid, undeniable stats out there indicating that blacks and Latinos are stopped more often by police for non-criminal behavior than white people are. Professor Gates is perfectly aware of these stats, and I’m sure they bother him deeply. They bother me deeply, too.

      Thing is, if this had happened to me, I would be aggravated by the stupid cop bothering me in my own house, and move on with my life. The above-mentioned racial stats wouldn’t even occur to me. But when it happened to Gates, of COURSE those stats leaped to the front of his mind. And of COURSE he got angry. Wouldn’t you, if you knew about historical patterns of similar mistreatment of people who looked like you? He may have overreacted, but I have sympathy (dare I say empathy?) for his overreaction.

      None of this means the cop is a racist, or that Gates was justified in calling him one. It’s a truly unfortunate episode all the way around, because I can understand why everybody did what they did, without condemning any of them. What this really does, for me, is makes me think about those racial arrest stats that no doubt were in Gates’ mind. That’s the only story worth our energy here, IMO.

      • beachnan

        I thought with the election of Obama, we were supposed to be post-racial. You know, all hopey, changey, with everyone holding hands, and singing kumbaya? Right…..

    • barry bums a ciggie

      I accidentally set off my house alarm one time, the cops came while I was trying to figure out what had happened. Both officers came in and immediately asked to see my ID. I tried to explain the possible reason why it went off, but they didn’t seem to care at that moment because all they wanted to see was an ID to prove who I say I was. Once I did, they left after checking out that there were no intruder in my house. That’s their job.

      That said, if this man would have shown his ID which indicates his address, perhaps this would not have resulted in a shouting match and arrest of any kind. Seems like you have two possible explosive elements, a guy with a chip on his shoulder about racism in America and an officer who may be wielding power.

      I am Asian American, and I know how easy it is to pull the race card out to make folks feel really uncomfortable. That is why I will never respect Obobo and his ilk, because playing the race-baiting game does nothing but show your true color on the inside.

      • ConfusedAmerican

        Similar incident happened with me.
        I had just gotten home from work and was dressed and groomed nicely. They were stern but polite with me, as I was with them. Almost forgot I had to dump my purse and not dig into it for my wallet. Like the officers said they didnt know me from Adam. They did search the house,just in case there was someone in the house hiding or threatening me.
        Its now a family joke. Actually this incident has had many of my family members calling and reminding of my incident. Some even joking about how I could have been cuffed.
        There are times I think about what if the police hadnt taken those extra steps and someone was in my house. Next time you see a police officer putting his life on the line for your community.

    • NomNomNom

      This is exactly my opinion as well. There is freedom of speech in this country, even stupid speech. Police need to be trained to deal with hostility without losing their own tempers and overreacting: they are on the job and this is part of their job.

      I am also wondering about the quote “Are you not giving me your name and badge number because I’m a black man in America?” If Gates asked for the cop’s name and badge number there is no excuse for refusal. This should concern everyone, regardless of one’s opinion of Gates.
      I have no desire to live in a police state.
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2009/jun/21/fit-watch-kingsnorth-arrests

      • Murray

        Nommmy, honey, if you had read the police report, you would know that the the officer REPEATEDLY tried to give his name and badge number, but Gates would interrupt him and not allow him to speak.
        This was all on the police radio, most likely taped, and will come out.

        • NomNomNom

          Admin if you are going to delete my comment then delete this sh#t too. I am not some cretin’s “honey”.

      • Rob G in Chicago

        In this day and age, with computer terminals in most police cars, wouldn’t that Cambridge cop know exactly whose house that was, as well as the homes of any VIPs in the area? Since there had been demonstrations in front of Gates’ house previously, the cops should have been familiar, to some extent, with who they were dealing. As we all know, cops are always honest in their reports and will always tell the complete truth, even when it contradicts the sworn statements of other cops, and their jokes about going to court and “testilying” are just jokes, right? Both Gates and the officer acted like a couple of jerks with chips on their shoulders and their own agendas, but the guys with the badges and guns and powers of arrest usually win the initial battles, at least until the guys with the briefcases and fancy suits show up.+++++++++++

        • rw

          ‘wouldn’t that Cambridge cop know exactly whose house that was, as well as the homes of any VIPs in the area?’

          why should they know, Gates and VIPs are ordinary people just like average joes; in a truly egalitarian society, Gates and VIPs should get no special treatment, imo.

    • Objective Analysis

      Gates did not get arrested for burgarly. He was arrested for disorderly conduct. This can occurr if you continue to bad mouth a police officer.

      Gates just went loco and could have handled the situation a little better. Cop was just responding to a 911 call which they have to do.

      Gates did not have to bad mouth the cop. Goodness!

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    Hello. This needs to be the wake up call to those blacks who engage in this sort of “scream racism” defense and that the stereotypes they abhor are being perpetuated by them. Here’s the Affirmative Action attitude run amok.

    If a white person where to refuse and act belligerently in front of officers, they too would be arrested. The irony is that the professor should have known that to cooperate would have solved the matter quickly and on his premises.

    To behave as he did blew everything out of proportion. By his own behavior, the professor displayed what kind of man is truly is. He is a man that puts skin color before common sense.

    May he never teach anyone’s children again.

    • Docelder

      I just maintain the guy should be able to act anyway he wants in his own home. Once he established he lived there, at that point the cops became uninvited guests and needed to have the good sense to just leave. Apologizing as they left would have been the courteous thing, but nonetheless leave the private citizens home. Race isn’t a part of this at all is the odd thing. What I see as the problem is now we interject race into everything… even into places it doesn’t otherwise belong.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        There was no need for the police to apologize for doing their job.

        It’s the behavior of Gates that escalated the whole mess. Let’s not get lost in the right to act how you want in your own home meme.

        Gates acted inappropriately. I commend the officer for refusing to apologize. He is taking a stand against the double standard Gates wants to perpetuate. Gates says there’s a different set of police rules because he is a black man and now he wants a different set of responses from the police.

        BullShyt!

        PS: I have little tolerance for this double standard – but maybe it’s because I worked with underage pinheads on a educational stop off to prison. It was never their fault and never their behavior that got them into trouble according to them. Gates is no different.

        • Docelder

          Who determines what conduct is appropriate when you are in your own home? This is my problem with this. I don’t even see race as a legitimate factor in it at all.

          • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

            Common sense for one. If the police are at your door you owe it to them to at least listen before going ballistic.

          • JayD

            I am a white man and I called the police several years ago because of an attempted break into my home. The first thing the police did when they got to my house is question ME as to who I was and why I was there. The guys trying to break in were long gone.

            This questioning startled me at first but after 2 seconds of rational thought it made perfect sense. I could have been pretending to own the house and yet was a robber. I calmly told the police who I was and showed them my drivers license. Of course this feels insulting but the cops have no way of knowing the truth of anything until it is proven.

            If I had carried on as as Gates did, I probably would have been arrested, too, and Frankly I would have deserved it for being so stupid as to act as to act like a child screaming and playing the role of a poor victim. Gates ego went berserk, that is obvious by reading the police report.

            • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

              I have had several interactions with police – whether it was in my younger days at parties, or when I called for a break in or when I have been pulled over. They always act the same. Serious, to the point, and scary.

              Once I called because my roommate and I were woken by a screaming woman. We decided to call 911, and gave the info, etc. We didn’t know much we just heard blood curdling screaming. We went back to bed (it was like 3am) and about 10 minutes later there was a knock on our door, and it was the police, and one guy was a the front door, and another was around the back. They were scoping out our place, in case the screams were in our house. They asked to come in and check it out, etc. It was kind of scary just because it was so unexpected, and they are cops, but they were doing their job. Making sure we weren’t the victim, making sure there was nothing wrong, etc. We did what they said, and handled it seriously. After it was over, they were super nice, and left.

              My belief is you do not mess around with cops. I don’t care where or who you are.

              • Docelder

                I practiced in a Dallas hood for five years. Black people in the hood are almost terrified of the police. This is due to the police being rude or arrogant or sometimes corrupt. But what the people in the hood don’t see is it isn’t about race, but more about class. Bullies pick on those who can’t fight back. So, if somebody white looks like they have the means to hire a good lawyer there is less of a chance of a bully cop picking on them. I don’t believe it’s racial. I am not saying all cops are bullies, but without a doubt some are. Without a doubt cops stick together like a clan. That atmosphere sometimes fosters corruption.

                • NomNomNom

                  yes, I am a white woman who could not be mistaken for anyone rich and live in a modest mixed neighborhood. I have had cops draw their guns on me at a traffic stop. They pinged mine and my man’s car and found out through this that I was a nondriver. From here they leapt to the WRONG conclusions that I did not have a license because of DUI and that I was the driver (my man has long hair and it was dark). These goons literally unholstered their freaking weapons and pointed them at me. We had not committed any traffic offense; we had not been drinking. Then when they found out they were wrong they did not even apologize.

                  • Docelder

                    That brings up another peeve of mine. What the cops in Dallas did is pretty much stop anybody at anytime with the excuse… “I didn’t see you had your seat belt on” but seeing that they do they go right ahead looking in the car and asking for licenses and registration etc. anyway. These guys are taught to employ this methodology which fosters a culture and attitude of us against them. They should be there to serve and protect people, not to judge or victimize them. O.K. end of my rant.

          • trixta

            I’m on you with this one, Docelder. It’s about individual rights, private property, and the law overstepping it’s boundary.

            • NomNomNom

              me too.

      • Onofre’s arm

        On this one Doc you’re off base. Even if no crime has been determined, you do not have the right to behave any way you want in your own house, especially in front of the police.

        If you are in your own house, and have not yet been charged with anything, there are a multitude of actions that you could engage in that could give the cops the right to slap on the handcuffs. Just because you are in your own house does not give you the right to curse or threaten the cops, and lying to them is a fellony. Even if you kick your own dog, in your own house, in front of the police, they could arrest you, even though I can imagine that it happens all the time in the privacy of one’s home.

        About 20 years ago, the police knocked on my door and informed me that my neighbor had locked himself into his own house and was claiming that he was filling it with gas and was threatening to blow it up. The policeman told us we had to leave, and I didn’t argue with him. While I may have wanted to finnish the show I was watching, and I certainly hadn’t committed any crimes, I assumed that the policeman could have arrested me if I refused to evacuate. Essentially, by merely remaining in my own house, doing NOTHING, I could have been exposed to arrest.

        I think it was Bill Cosby that gave the very sound advice to blacks that the best way to handle the cops is to do exactly what they say. Resisting, backtalking, insulting, or even indignant behavior, will only make things worse. So why not cooperate? How could it hurt?

      • insanelysane

        Gates followed the cop outside of his home. The incident did NOT happen inside the home.
        Gates should not have followed the officer outside and berate and accuse him of anything.
        Gates has a huge chip on his shoulder. He appears to have desired to provoke the officer.
        One should NEVER provoke an officer.

        And Gates’s rantings we high charged dog whistle kind of comments.
        Gates should be embarrassed and apologize to the officer.

        • Murray

          I agree. Gates is taking full advantage of “I’m on a first-name basis with the president.”

        • Rob G in Chicago

          My reading was that Gates refused to step outside, but the cop persisted with the request to step outside. It appears to me that the cop had already determined that he was going to place Gates under arrest for disorderly conduct, and that the arrest could be both ugly and quickly overturned if it had taken place inside of the house. Gates was a fool for lipping off, but so long as he was not threatening the cop with a weapon or his cane, there is no law against screaming vulgarities at a cop in your own home. Once you take that obnoxious behaviour outside, well then you are fair game for chrome bracelets. That being said, just because the cop could have arrested Gates, doesn’t mean that he wasn’t stupid for doing so.

    • bill

      In Mpls, last month, a politically connected AA lawyer was driving erratically (to the police), stopping to look at street signs and rolling through stop signs. In that area of Mpls (high crime) and at night, the policeman decided to stop the driver. The driver began calling him cracker and accused the policeman of racism.

      I was stopped once for expired plates by the father of a kid I coached in basketball and soccer. I’m Welsh-Spanish American. I knew the father and he knew me. I still had to step out of the car and show my license in a very controlled setting.

      Police are trained to follow strict procedures and Crowley seems to have too. What’s wrong with that?

    • trixta

      Ridiculous, Buzz!

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Okay, with that attitude, let your behavior dictate the consequences, Trixta.

        Then don’t whine when you don’t like the results.

        Oops, another scab is getting ripped off the pysche of Affirmative Action.

        • trixta

          Buzz, your namecalling and ad hominem attacks betray the kind of person you are. I feel sorry for you. We can disagree on issues, but there is no need to lose your integrity in the process.

          • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

            Back at you.

    • trixta

      “May he never teach anyone’s children again.”

      WoW! You know nothing about Prof Gates and what or how he teaches in a university class. Your comment says more about you than it does about him.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Oh that’s right. You are the only one owed a comment or opinion. Got it.

  • Ginger

    Curious that the office of the POTUS is making it their business about what happened to this citizen.

    Interjecting the innuendo of racism is a sign of desperation over his healthcare bill. Not unlike the primaries.

    • Dani

      spot on Ginger.

      I thought it was interesting that this racially charged incident was the topic of the last question of his town hall.

      A winning formula for BO. If desperate, throw in some racism charges for those who oppose me to feel guilty about!

      • Cindy

        I heard that the question was planted….and the reporter was from Chicago. Have you heard that?

        • ahs

          The question was asked by Lynn Sweet, who is the Chicago Sun-Times Washington bureau chief. If you think that a major newspaper’s lead DC reporter is conspiring with the White House (to accomplish what, exactly?) then you are going to need a whole lot of tinfoil over the next several years.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Lyn Sweet has spent a considerable amount of time covering the misdeeds of BO.

            I think Lynn Sweet knew what kind of answer she would get.

            The correct response for BO would have been to say, “It is a matter for the local authorities and as I do not know the facts I will not comment on it, next question.”

            BO is an idiot for calling ANYONE stupid.
            The officer was doing his job regardless of color and BO just lost a HUGE amount of voters in the Boston area and I dare say the rest of the country.

          • TeakWoodKite

            MY comment was “racially profile” and subjected to the humiliation of being spammed while being a kite.

            I was in my house too.

            BO is an idiot for calling ANYONE stupid and once again proves how politically tone deaf he is.

            Lynn Sweet a great deal of time chronicling the misdeeds of the fraud BO.

          • tminu

            you know what? screw off with your tinfoil ridicule unless you want it back in exponentiated fashion
            (oh and we can do that quite well)

            Of course Ofraud plants questions, that’s been established.

            • ahs

              So you’re saying this question was planted? You think Obama was just desperate to have this come up? How does he benefit from the story? You think a professional politician is desperate to dive into a controversy, ever? So desperate that he persuades a successful journalist from a major news organization to risk her career and reputation to ask a planted question? You think that is what went down?

              If so, that’s idiotic, and I don’t need to help you embarrass yourself further (although I am of course willing to do so, if you insist). If not, why are you bothering me?

    • Murray

      OOOOOHHH, Ginger. Makes me say, “hmmmm”

    • NomNomNom

      I guess he hasn’t heard about separation of powers.

  • elizabethrc

    How did Gates ever get his job at Harvard? He obviously has a problem with white people to the point of becoming unbalanced and frankly, if this is an example of how he handles situations I don’t want him anywhere near my kids.
    Instead of being grateful that the police were protecting his neighborhood, his home, his immediate hurling of racism was over the top, and it’s one reason that people are beginning to stop listening to these phony claims. Crying ‘wolf’ once too often.
    The officers, from the police report, seem to be doing their job and it was Gates who was stupid….along with Obama. Never let the truth get in the way of yelling racism.

    • Docelder

      The guy probably believes that the break in call was made because be is black. I doubt that, because two guys breaking in a door… skin tone seems irrelevant. This isn’t about race at all is the stupid part. The citizen homeowner assumed it was and then the cops couldn’t handle the situation any better than to arrest him in his own home. Nobody here was smart, but to me only the police ultimately are wrong here. This is the mans home. If he wants to chainsaw all the doors off his house… so what, it is his house. If we can’t respect private property, racism or the accusation of it is the least of our problems.

      • trixta

        “Nobody here was smart, but to me only the police ultimately are wrong here.”

        Exactly!

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Great comment.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Great comment to elizabethrc.

  • Kristen

    This is just ridiculous- that professor should have been happy those cops were doing their job! I’m sure he was frustrated but he could have handled it much differently. Just like Joe the Plumber- Obama is now trashing an every day hard working person for what reason????? He was doing his job. And that professor was screaming at him. He had every right to arrest him. But as an intelligent professor he should have realized the implications of his behavior. And now he gets all the television coverage because he is the “victim”? Baloney! He knew better and is now trying to justify his behavior by calling the cop racist. What is wrong with people?

  • trixta

    I would have to disagree with you on this one AGI. Perhaps the officer is no racist, but if it had happened to me I would have been royally pissed off — i.e. being arrested in my own home after showing ID, etc. The officer should have apologized once he saw the ID and left the premises immediately. Instead he got into an ego match with the offended resident, then conveniently arrested him because he didn’t like what the angry resident had to say about being arrested in his own home!

    To arrest “Skip” Gates — the most clean-cut and nerdiest of nerdy professors (I’ve seen him in academic circles) — is truly a gross error of judgment or very questionable behavior on the part of the officer. Furthermore, to assume that this gray-haired, 58-year-old guy with a very visible limp is a criminal is also very questionable on the part of the witness. I wonder what her actions would have been had it been a white guy breaking into his own home? Would she have called the police so readily? Couldn’t she have knocked on a neighbor’s door to see if the elderly “black guy” was indeed a resident of the neighborhood before calling the police?

    Again, the officer may or may not be a racist, but he was wrong to arrest Gates simply because he didn’t like his angry words. The office had the obligation of walking away, but it looks like he had something to prove–like putting Gates in his place. In any case, I guess freedom of speech is dead in this country. Was this arrest worthy of tax-payers’ money? NO!

    And no, I don’t think Obama should have commented on any of it.

    • sandi78

      “Couldn’t she have knocked on a neighbor’s door to see if the elderly “black guy” was indeed a resident of the neighborhood before calling the police?”

      Are you serious?

      • trixta

        Absof@#$kinglutley! Yes, that is the least she could have done. PLLLLeaze!

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          LOL!

          Geez, where does that thinking come from?

          Seriously, thanks for making me spew my coffee.

          • trixta

            You’re very welcome, Buzz. Glad to oblige….

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      Gates didn’t just turn over his ID. He called the officer a racist, made a phone call, and yelled at the officer. He refused to exit the home, and provide ID, and escalated the event.

      ONCE he finally did give ID, the officer did exit the home. Gates followed him outside, continuing to yell at him. That is when Crowley cuffed him.

      We have free speech but that doesn’t give you the right to disobey police orders and harass them.

      “Sir, will you please step outside, and show me some ID.”

      “No I will not!”

      He had to verify the guy lived there, he was responding to a 911 call. He had to verify the guy lived there. Had he not, and Gates been robbed, do you not doubt the police dept. would be sued?

      Try pulling that attitude if you are pulled over in a car.

      Also, the woman who called 911 saw the driver breaking down the door, not a feeble old man with a cane.

      • trixta

        AIG, did I say he had a cane? No. But Gates does have a very visible limp — I’ve seen it first hand. He’s also very visibly an elderly man.

        Yes, I still think the Officer had the obligation to walk away once Gates’ ID was confirmed — regardless of when it was shown and how pissed off Gates was. Words are words. Had Gates threatened physical violence that would have been an entirely different matter. But as long as he was spewing that does NOT give the Officer the right to arrest anyone — whatever color!– in his/her own home. (And I say this having had family members in law enforcement.) Cops should NOT arrest you because they don’t like that you hurt their feelings. Cops should also realize that a person might be offended at being arrested in their own home.

        Being professional means doing the right thing in the right circumstance, and the officer failed miserably for himself and for his department. Now he and his department are in a PR nightmare.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          Elderly at 58?

          Read the police report.

          Mr. Gates copped an attitude and was rewarded with arrest. End of story.

          Damn. Behavior is such a slippery slope.

          • trixta

            Yeah, Buzz — a disabled elderly guy at that!
            Why do you think his nick name is “Skip”!

            • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

              Well, thanks for telling me his nickname is “Skip”. Perhaps he (Gates) should have skipped the bad attitude.

            • sandi78

              58 is not “elderly”. Using a cane and having a limp does not make one “elderly”.

              • trixta

                I beg to differ, Sandi. Some people are indeed elderly at 58. Gates does not have the physical prowess of most people his age. (This is my first-hand opinion of him.)

                • tminu

                  his belligerent racist mouth is quite agile

                • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

                  Psssst, Sandi.

                  Trixta is the only one who possesses the knowledge and point of view that is correct today.

                  Read the memo. LOL!

                  • trixta

                    Yeah, at least I can vouch for Gates’ character, which is more than you can say, Buzz. Your assessment of him is limited, myopic, and over the top. Likewise, when you speak of the Officer it’s nothing but an ignorant love-fest. Who is the know-it- all now?

                    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

                      People vouched for Ted Bundy’s character, that hung out with him in professional circles, too. That doesn’t mean squiddly.

                      Being a colleague or acquaintance of someone doesn’t mean that you know them well enough to say they would never lose their temper and cause a tirade. Gates even admits he was mad and yelled out those accusations of racism.

                    • trixta

                      Now you’re drawing parallels between Gates with a serial killer? OT! And you’re claiming sound judgment here?

                    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

                      trixta, don’t be ridiculous. I am saying just because you went to a few work function events that you don’t *know* Gates well enough to vouch for his character. Look at the Craigs list killers fiancé – she was vouching for him, and he was off raping women. NO ONE truly *knows* anyone. I am NOT saying Gates is a serial killer.

                      Gates was born with a club foot hence the nickname Skip.

                      There is no need for you to get rude in a debate. We obviously disagree, and I am providing counter arguments to yours. But you don’t need to get rude.

                • BlueTopaz

                  Ok, we get it. You’ve seen the dude in person. Congratulations, I am SO very impressed. You hang with the elites, bravo. Enough name dropping already.

                  Getting back to the point. You’ve seen that he is feeble, but to someone arriving on the scene (the witness, then the cop) there was suspicious activity going on. The officer didn’t have your coveted (snark) “first-hand opinon” on Gates’ saintly qualities. All he had was a 911 call and harrasment by this sainted elitist. The cop did his job, Gates showed, in front of witnesses, that he is the racist. The police report stated that the saintly Gates made reference to the cops “mama”. Now that’s class. Wow.

                  I realize that Gates was probably jet-lagged, but FFS, take off the BROse colored glassed already.

                  As a women, I am sick and tired of AAs and other minorities moaning about how long they’ve suffered. Women have been abused since cavemen drug us around by our hair. 2008 showed us that our discrimination won’t be ending anytime soon.

                  • trixta

                    “I realize that Gates was probably jet-lagged [...]”

                    And this passes for knowledge and the basis of judgment? I’m so glad your omniscient view is fast at work here. LOL!

                    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

                      He just flew in from China – he was jet lagged.

              • Susan B. Athena

                House anyone?

        • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

          he has a cane – i’m not saying you said he did, he does.

          crowley did walk away, once Gates provided ID. Gates followed him onto the porch and continued to call him racist and yell at him. That is when he got arrested.

          Cops shouldn’t get attacked as racist for doing their job… that’s my opinion.

          • trixta

            And citizens should not get arrested for calling officers names. If Gates had threatened to hit him, etc., then that would be an entirely different story and circumstance.

            The Officer should have kept on walking, but noooo he had to teach Gates a lesson. Very poor judgment on his part!

            • insanelysane

              And what was Gates trying to teach the cop?

              I’d say that was the epitome of poor judgment.

            • tminu

              The cop asked Gates to calm down stop the disorderly conduct, he refused and was arrested.

              So what if it was his own front porch, you can’t act like a maniac even in your own home.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Correct me if I am wrong.

        In asking the person to step out side of his house, the officer avoids 4th amendment issues.
        Also from a tactical point of view the officer does not know what the FACTS are. If the person was NOT the owner of the house and remained in the house, the situation could have escalated into a “stand off”

        I am sure the Sgt. had other things to do than be verbally accosted by a person acting like a bigot.

        I am of the opinion that the Gates is a bigot. You think a AA cop would have suffered the same indignation in performing his duties?

        Oh and BTW, I am well aware of the racism that does exist in the Boston area…travel on any transit system in greater Beantown area and you can taste it just under the surface…

        Gates was the protaginist on this one. I hope this guy does not teach law.

        • Murray

          Gates is a professor of African-American studies!

          • TeakWoodKite

            Thanks Murray for info. Go figure.

            (and please don’t yank my string, just cause the stench of irony continues with BO) :)

  • Typewriterstreaming

    Wonder what the Black Police officier in the lower right hand of the photo thought…

    • Docelder

      He probably isn’t paid to think. He is probably just putting in his 8 hours before he goes home.

    • trixta

      If the the black policeman was the Officer’s partner, then he was just as wrong in arresting Gates. As I said, the incident was poorly handled by the Officer(s). Looks like it was a matter of bruised egos that got the best of them — and this is not a sound reason to arrest someone in his/her own home.

  • RKStone

    What the Officer did was stupid and wrong. After he found out that it was Gates’ home he should leave. If Gates asks him for his name and badge number, the officer should give it to him. After the officer sees that no crime was committed or about to be committed, Gates has every right to yell at him. Gates was not threatening violence to the officer or getting in the way of the officer doing his duty. Gates may not have been right to yell at him but he certainly had the right to yell at him.

    Also, Obama said it was stupid. Obama did not call the officer a racist.

    • Docelder

      What Obama did wrong was comment about it at all. This fundamentally is not about race, but about private property and individual rights. If we won’t stand up for this man’s individual rights then we might as well give up our own.

    • Karma

      Psst….His name and badge number is on his chest.

      All Gates had to do is look. Gates is the one who refused to ID himself….which is illegal by the way.

      And yeah, everyone has the right to hassle someone who can take them to jail. But that doesn’t make it smart. Have you ever seen COPS? Disobeying their direct orders or being belligerent never goes well. White or black….man or woman.

      • Docelder

        everyone has the right to hassle someone who can take them to jail. But that doesn’t make it smart

        Read between what you have written there and tell me that in that line there isn’t some acknowledgment that power isn’t sometimes abused. Of course it is abused sometimes and sometimes ego gets in the way of duty. None of this has a thing to do with race.

        • Karma

          There is nothing to read between. I could tell you a couple of cop stories that would make you worry for the safety of your daughters/wife/mom/sisters.

          So yes, I know from personal experience that power is abused on all sorts of levels…from both cops AND citizens. Because we all know there are citizens who take advantage of good cops too.

          Either way, it still means you shouldn’t hassle the guy who can take you to jail. Especially if the cop is a jerk.

          However, the show COPS offers proof that lots of normal cops take into custody people who are disobeying orders or who are belligerent. This isn’t something new.

          • Docelder

            I could tell you a couple of cop stories that would make you worry for the safety of your daughters/wife/mom/sisters.

            Having worked in a Dallas hood for five years me too. I don’t have the boy scout image of cops that many people have. They are just people doing their jobs. Power can and does go to the heads of some and the culture of the police is to protect their own first… not protect the public first. Are there good cops… sure. Are there bad cops… without a doubt. I still maintain what many see as profiling and racism are mostly a result of class and the ability or not to stand up for your own rights in this society.

            • Karma

              I agree….class and the ability to stand up for your rights do play a huge part in these dances.

              I’ve seen that close up too….lol

      • NomNomNom

        “Psst….His name and badge number is on his chest.”

        Not everyone has 20 20 vision, especially not everyone who is 58, and reading small print that is moving could be problematical. Not to mention, he has every right to ask and the officer should have told him. Perhaps the officer wanted him to go outside the home?

        • Karma

          With glasses I am sure he is quite close to 20/20 vision and those badges and name tags are not small print.

          This situation went on long enough for Gates to gather that information when the cop was in front of him. So moving target doesn’t apply even if the cop was walking away when asked. When you consider the police report would id the cop. Gates didn’t really need the cop’s name and badge number.

          It sounds more along the same lines of ‘do you know who I am.’….’you won’t hear the last of me’…..type of intimidation threats from Gates so give me your badge number.

          Cops don’t have to lure someone outside to arrest them. There are plenty of guys in jail wearing only their shorts and no shoes because they were snagged from inside their homes and not allowed to get a shirt and shoes. I know someone who was needled in jail for showing up just like that.

          However, implying that he was walking away to lure Gates outside only points to the fact that Gates shouldn’t have continued the tirade. And known when he was ahead because the cop, who was called to protect his house, was leaving.

          • NomNomNom

            I don’t agree: it’s not easy to read a name an number on a police badge in a confrontation.
            I don’t disagree about the rationale for the request for the name and badge number, your explanation seems highly probable to me, I just find it irrelevant. Every citizen has the right to acquire this info, even angry obnoxious people. How many years has this guy been on the force? Do you not think he’s gotten the memo by now that people who are accused of crimes that they have not committed, even with the best of police intentions, are not likely to be happy campers? The guy needs to be able to control himself: that’s part of his job; it’s not part of Gates’ job. He’s in his own home.
            One’s rights are significantly diminished outside the home. When the police arrest you in your home it’s for the crime they suspected that allowed them access to your home in the first place.

          • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

            gates hasn’t even given a logical reason as to why he was so pissed at Crowley that he demanded to see his ID. All Crowley did was ask for his ID and tell him he was investigating a possible B&E. Gates went batshit over that and demanded ID…?

        • Karma

          Just to be accurate….

          While reading the police report Gates asked for his name and the officer immediately responded with the info. But Gates yelled over him that he was a racist cop. Gates asked for it another time and continued to yell over the answer.

          And then Gates demanded the info a third time and was told that he was given the info already twice. Gates continued to yell at him and then requested the name some more.

          If Gates was really interested in his name…he would have shut up for the answer if he couldn’t read his name on the badge. Clearly, yelling at the cop was more important than getting his name.

          Sorry, no sympathy for someone who can’t shut up long enough to get the name info.

          • NomNomNom

            The police report is just a document written by the cop involved in the incident: it is not a video recording and is not evidence of anything.
            I’m having a hard time believing that either the police or Gates are telling the exact truth.
            But if Gates did ask and the cop didn’t answer, that’s a very big problem; I don’t discount the possibility that this may have happened because the cops did not display good judgment by not leaving when they had ascertained that Gates was not a burglar.
            I never said I had sympathy for Gates, I don’t; he seems like a jerk.

            • jwrjr

              Read the report again. The Officer did leave when Gates produced ID that demonstrated who he was and that he lived in that house. But Gates followed him, spouting verbal abuse. The verbal abuse resulted in his (Gates’) arrest.

              • NomNomNom

                Again, the report is written by one of the parties involved: I do not see any reason to believe it or anything he might have said over a radio accurate under that circumstance without video or other uninvolved party corroboration.
                But even if this account were true, the cop could have just kept on walking, otherwise known as professionalism.
                The guy was on his own property, he’d already proven he wasn’t a burglar, and we have first amendment rights.

                • TeakWoodKite

                  NomNomNom, are inferring the Sargent is lying? or would falsify a report?

                  Come on.

    • trixta

      RK, Obama needs to keep his smarmy mouth shut and not make matters worse. Thanks to him, he’s taken race relations and gender issues back 50 years!

  • Peggy Sue

    Obama’s comment was incredibly foolish and contradictory. If he doesn’t know the details how can he possibly know that the cop acted stupidly. Doesn’t even make sense, unless you buy into the idea that all white cops are inherently racist.

    But that being said, this whole thing could have been avoided if both parties had stepped back. Gates charge of racism is more a charge of a man really, really annoyed that his word was challenged. His words:”Do you know who I am?” is very telling. It’s pretty close to indicating that because he’s a Harvard scholar then no one [including the cops] should question his authority.

    If the details on the story are correct and Gates initially refused to show ID then he contributed to the mess. The cop was doing his job. But if cop was a hardass then he also contributed to something that could have been resolved easily instead of turning into a splashy headline and another wearisome, kneejerk charge of racism.

    This is the world we live in.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      There’s a protocol that police officers follow. As the behavior escalates so does the police intervention.

      Behavior begets intervention.

      So as the professor escalated his behavior the police escalated their response.

      Really, Mr. Harvard Gates should have intuited the consequence of his arrogance.

      • Peggy Sue

        I agree, Buzz. This does sound as if Gates had a hissy-fit and threw in the charge of racism as a kneejerk reaction.

        I just read comments that the cop has made after the incident. He has stated quite plainly that he does not owe Gates an apology. He was doing his job, period. The officer sounded very reasonable. He didn’t even bust on Obama’s comment when the reporter tried to bait him. In fact, he excused the comment, saying the President has alot on his plate and that we should all be supporting his efforts.

        He’s obviously a better person than I am :0).

      • jbjd

        BBL, evidently Mr. Gates did intuit “the consequence of his arrogance,” after the fact. And, in the light of this hindsight, he withdrew previously expressed hints of a lawsuit, now using the word “regrettable” in a joint statement with Cambridge police, to describe the incident. Having lived in Cambridge for more than 15 (fifteen) years, (15 (fifteen) years ago now, I can well imagine the prominent Harvard professor dressing down the police officer for not knowing who HE was and then trying to cover up his arrogant tracks by making the issue, race.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          Agreed. It would appear that Mr. Gates cooler head has started to prevail.

          What’s troubling is the knee-jerk response of racism on his part. It really painted a rather uncomfortable picture of a man that is supposedly educated and a role model for university age minds, yet resorts to unfounded racial attack when questioned. It smacks of a little too much of the old Rev. Wright – James Cone litany.

          I hope the president of Harvard will make a point of reminding Mr. Gates of why he is employed by the University.

  • Cindy

    Obama learned to get in touch with his “blackness” at the feet of Jeremiah Wright, who teaches that you blame whitey first….ask questions later, if at all.
    This is the danger of keeping a man like Wright in high esteem in the black community.
    Also, this story detracts from the REALLY racist remarks by Barbara Boxer, towards Harry Alford, CEO of Black Chamber of Commerce! Has Obama addressed THAT Democratic catastrophe?

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    I suspect the black police officer concurred with the resulting arrest.

  • Doc99

    Ozero’s Presser was an Epic Fail.

    • Docelder

      He is still campaigning. He doesn’t know, he just works here.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Ozero’s presser was an epic fail and so the race card was played right at the end to make Obama appear viable.

      Was the Gates question a plant?

  • I’m a Linda too

    Leave it to our presidenot HObama to only read what was handed to him and not know any of the reality and facts involved.

    Did HObama even know there was a black policeman there, too?

    • I’m a Linda too

      And apparently, again, ignorant people have no idea criminal activity that can be involved and what police are up against to protect the community.

      Would someone be happy if they arrived to a reported attempted robbery of two men pushing in the door and just walked away if he showed ID that had that address? And then later to find out that he was possibly getting a divorce and no longer living at the residence and the balls that police were called to a house with a forceable entry and just left the guy there to clean it out when he showed a stupid ID with the same address. Didn’t they do their job? Didn’t they check to see if he had a right to be there after forcably entering the home?

      AND..the man should NOT have been irate and abusive toward the law enforcement officers for checking on a forcable entry call.

      Yes, Gates was WRONG…we know Obama is, but that’s not a surprise.

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        That is a good point – I didn’t even think about that. He could have been an ex-husband with a restraining order, or an abusive parent, or whatever. Usually people who belong somewhere don’t try to force their way into the door.

        And as I posted above in the video, there have been a rash of daytime break ins in that very neighborhood.

        And robbers do sometimes rob during the day because no one is home, and usably people don’t think anything about seeing people in the day time, trying to get into homes.

        • trixta

          I imagine a restraining order would have shown up if and when the Officer called in Gates’ ID. But, alas, this hypothetical scenario is not relevant to this particular case.

          • ces

            That’s right, because the officer didn’t have possession of ANY ID…at least not one with an address.

          • I’m a Linda too

            lmao REALLY, why not? You mean after the fact you now know? No doubt because the police officer DID HIS JOB.

          • I’m a Linda too

            OH NO!!!

            Please free my comment again.

            Please free me, I’m in the spam filter…and it’s a good reply :)

          • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

            But you need ID to verify who someone is, to run a check on them. Had the officer just said, is this your house? and took a yes, and walked away, he could be liable for all kinds of things.

        • I’m a Linda too

          Exactly. And gee, Obama from Chicago’s southside, I’m SURE has run in to many things.

          Like the gangs in Cincinnati, as I’m sure in many cities across the country. New colors, White t shirt and jeans. Everyone wears them, so when the cops call in description….white t shirt and jeans….and then if found the suspect…officer, I was just walking by, and saw the door open, I went in to see if someone was hurt, I didn’t intend on picking up anything.

          I just got tired of this idiot president, so I just sent this off and sent it to all the media, so if something happens to me, they know. lol

          President Obama,

          Are you this ignorant, racist or bigoted that you would make such a STUPID statement? You don’t know the facts, as you even admit, but you claim the police officer “acted stupidly” for arresting a man who forcably entered a house and became beligerant when asking proof that he lived there? Do you have…I mean, I know you were a “lawyer”, any reality of what policemen FACE? Do you think, after reporting two men forcably entering a home, they should just walk away when they approach these two suspects of forcably entering the home when he gets abusive and beligerant? I suppose they should just believe what ever a suspect says without proof. Does it work that way in your law enforsement world? And, we know the suspect must be honest and police should go by that assumption, if he shows id with the address(snark), that of course, he’s not possibly locked out of the home, because he may be getting a divorce or a whole host of reasons (sold the house, exboyfriend) the law enforcment officers need to determine when called out because of a forced entry.

          Or is everyone supposed to just wither and cower when someone gets “in their face” and “argue with them”, “say anything”, Community organizing 101. But we expect more from a supposedly educated man and who is acting as our President. btw, the very vociferous Mr. Gates issued a joint statement with the police without further baseless accusations.

          PS Also, don’t you have more important work to do, like trying to find out what Congress is putting in the legislation you are pushing for and ask the American people to accept on blind faith with out “knowing the facts” on that either, or do you-wink-wink?

          • I’m a Linda too

            Thank you. :)

      • sandi78

        That’s a very good point. It didn’t occur to me either.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    How?

    It’s my opinion and just like you, I really don’t know what the black police officer was thinking, Trixta.

    Get real yourself. This whole incident would have been a non story had Mr. Gates listened and been cooperative. He, instead, decided to play the race card.

    Behavior = Intervention

    Can’t get around that one.

    • trixta

      Buzz, I made NO conjecture as to what the black Officer in the picture was thinking. If he participated in Gates’ arrest, he was wrong to do so.

      Policemen should not have the right to arrest you in your own home because you hurt their feelings! F#$%!k that!

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        This was suppose to connect to your one liner up thread. Alas, it didn’t. Glad you read it through, though.

  • Andy

    Another one of Obama’s meaningless and dishonest retractions (he really does believe we are all stupid…)

    Update II: Robert Gibbs signals retreat:

    The White House says President Barack Obama was not calling a Cambridge, Mass., police officer stupid when he criticized last week’s arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. …

    On Wednesday Obama said the police “acted stupidly” when they arrested Gates even after it was clear that he was not a burglary suspect. Gibbs said that Obama did not regret the remark, but wanted to clarify that he was not calling the arresting officer stupid.

    How could we have assumed that when Obama accused the cops of acting stupidly that we thought he meant they were stupid? And Eastasia has always been at war with Oceania, Winston.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/23/how-not-to-win-support-from-police-unions/

    • Susan B. Athena

      aweeeee – 1984. Or is is 2009?

  • Ginger

    This is what Obama really thinks of cops…

    http://www.kptv.com/news/16412289/detail.html

  • Dani

    Ah ha. Cindy might be onto something. Obama got a 2 for 1 last night w/the race charge.

    Obama’s Health Care Reform is going nowhere right now and Barbara Boxer is getting torched regarding her
    comments so Obama throws out the race card on Sgt Crowley and VOILA – dissenters beware.

  • Doc99

    Bill Cosby Shocked.

    On a Boston radio program this morning, Bill Cosby suggested that President Obama spoke too soon on the controversial arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates.

    “I’ve heard about five different reports [on the details of the arrest],” Cosby said on Boston’s WZLX. “If I’m the president of the United States, I don’t care how much pressure people want to put on it about race, I’m keeping my mouth shut.”

    “I was shocked to hear the president making this kind of statement,” Cosby said referring to the president’s remarks during last night’s press conference.

    • trixta

      Cosby is absolutely right! Obama should not have gotten into the fray. I think BO is the stupid one here.

      • Docelder

        He doesn’t understand that by getting into areas below the level of the President, he thereby cheapens the office of President. He needs to quit talking about the final four and metro news until we see some jobs.

      • http://noquarter foxyladi14

        i love Bill Cosby..he is a real hero.

    • barry bums a ciggie

      Bill Cosby should have been our first AA president. O-stupid, once again, talked about something he doesn’t have full detail off. Why say anything at all? Why not just say that the matter is being looked into? What he heard was one sided, from his friend Gates. With that, he said the cops acted stupidly even tho’ he admitted that he doesn’t have all the facts. Who’s the stupid one here?

      • http://noquarter foxyladi14

        AMEN..i was gonna say that.

  • RKStone

    An interview with Gates on The Daily Beast
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-22/my-daddy-the-jailbird/?cid=hp:mainpromo3

    I’m glad that this lady called 911. I hope right now if someone is breaking into my house she’s calling 911 and the police will come! I just don’t want to be arrested for being black at home! I think this was a bit of an extreme reaction.

    • sandi78

      Perhaps the way he behaved towards the officer is his normal behavior and that’s why he is apparently unable to understand that he was out of line, not the officer.

      Personally, I think the Cambridge police should ignore any and all calls that they may receive about that address.

  • PGraber

    Black people need to get the chips off their shoulders.

    • trixta

      The same could be said of some law enforcement officers, pgraber.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Perhaps if you were working day in and day out with the less stellar – ie criminal – population you might cop an attitude also.

        But, it really goes back to police protocol. Have an uncle and cousin who are/were police officers and a chief of police.

        Mr. Gates escalated his behavior and therefore the police intervention escalated. Mr. Gates was getting way too much mileage out of unreasonable behavior.

        • Slim Tyranny

          Buzz, you are right that there is proper police protocol, but the fact that protocol exists does not mean it’s properly followed every time.

          I think that’s one of the points that trixta’s trying to make.

    • Slim Tyranny

      The same could be said of some white people, PGraber.

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Oh so we’re agreed then. Behavior, and more likely unacceptable behavior, can be displayed and engaged in by anyone, black, white, educated, uneducated, inner city, rural, and so on.

        Behavior then is the common denominator and more importantly the common range of acceptable behavior sets a precedence for all to work within.

        Mr. Gates seems to have not wanted to work within that dynamic that day.

        • Slim Tyranny

          Why do you think it’s only Gates, Buzz? Just because there is proper police protocol doesn’t mean that such protocol is followed every time.

          When you’re in your own home and not committing a crime, getting arrested for being rude to the police probably means both sides acted outside “that dynamic.”

          • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

            But you don’t know that protocol was not followed.

            Conjecture is fun but it doesn’t necessarily denote the truth.

            Read the police report and then realize that Gates’ own attorney has basically verified the report as fact.

            • Slim Tyranny

              EXACTLY! And neither do you know that protocol WAS followed! That’s my point. You can ascribe to either side perfectly pure or perfectly wrong actions, because we weren’t there.

              The truth is, there was a STUPID outcome (someone getting arrested for disorderly conduct on their own property, a charge which has already been dropped), and that stupid outcome was probably the result of the conduct of BOTH SIDES.

              That’s why I’m suspicious of analysis that puts all the blame on either Gates or the police.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      People with chips on their shoulders need to get rid of them. It isn’t a black or white issue.

  • kat in your hat

    This whole thing is so frustrating and now it is getting so blown up because of Oblow.

    People (in general) have to comply and listen to police. Period. It SUCKS but that’s the way it is. You want to yell, scream, curse, run, struggle, get in their face, resist, etc etc…wtf do you expect to happen.

    Also, Henry Gates is a raving racist cop hater and if he wasn’t RACIST, he would have been calm enough to just handle the situation and get the police out of his hair and off his property.

  • jwrjr

    Racism was not a issue in this matter until Gates made it an issue. Arresting Gates isn’t going down in history as a smart move, but Crowley was well within Police guidelines in doing it.

  • Doc99

    So much for the post-racial presidency … Hope and Shame is more like it.

  • Tricia Spiegel

    I was disappointed that Lynne Sweet chose to ask POTUS such a question when there were so many more important issues going on that we wanted to hear about.

    But, she did it and his answer was also extremely disappointing.

    • kat in your hat

      The question was RIDICULOUS! It was a healthcare press conference! My head nearly exploded when she asked that.

      Only had the president for a handful of questions on healthcare and she asks some BS racial question about some local BS in Cambridge, Mass.

      Freakin cops get shot DEAD by criminals and the president doesn’t remark on any of those cases. This is ABSURD. At a damn HEALTHCARE press conference.

      • TeakWoodKite

        hey kat in the hat,

        It is my opinion that Lynn Sweet knows BO’s MO inside and out. The question was OT but in my humble opinion, I say good for her to ask it and expose BO for what he is.

        A Toon, who can’t resist responding to “Two bits and a shave”.

        I cringed and groaned out loud when I heard him say this “stupid” comment. BO has no clue what “just words” do.

        • Murray

          Teakwood:

          That’s, “shave and a haircut, two bits.”

          Fellow Tooner. :)

          • TeakWoodKite

            Oh please! :)

            Thanks Murray.

  • texaslatina

    omg! i could not be believe my ears last nite. to hear the so called commander in chief basically call law enforcement racists was totally unaccetable! to say law enforcement unfairly targets blks and latinos is bullshit! i am so sick of the race crap. spare me. enuff already. good going obambi, give thugs the ok to disrespect our hard working police officers. like their jobs are not hard enuff already. what a great msg to send. just great. what a piece of shit of a president we have. good going. f#@$*@^ wuss!

  • Betty

    One little tidbit I read when the news first came out was that the home owner did not have is id/wallet on him, he had to go back into the kitchen and get it off the counter. That tilts my judgement a little more in favor of the cop trying to do his job.

    If his id had been in his back pocket, that would have been a little different.

    • Docelder

      Who carries their i.d. on their person while at home? Or, am I just the oddball because I never do unless I am going somewhere that I might actually need it. Or, maybe I just need to move somewhere remote in the mountains? ;)

      • trixta

        Yeah, docelder, I don’t even carry ID when I’m gardening in my front yard, let alone in my own house.

  • Obama: Dubya’ 2 Electric Boogaloo

    The irony in all of this is that if somebody had really broken into Gates house Gates would have ranted about the slow and pathetic response by the police in stopping or finding the perps because he’s a black man.

    All I know if that I acted like an asshole to a cop my butt would still probably be in jail.

    Here’s a hint: Ranting to a cop about “don’t you know who I am?!” and “you’ll pay for this!” is probably going to piss them off.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Testing. Spam filter got two of mine. I guess I refused to show my papers.

  • I’m a Linda too

    btw, GREAT post. And so sad that we have all this racism, more and more being displayed by blacks, against whites.

  • politicsisdirty

    Looks like a racist Prez coming to the aid of a racist Professor and wholeheartely supported by the media (CNN and MSNBC) who will always use race to protect its candidate or his agenda.

  • politicsisdirty

    If Gates was white, do you think we will be talking about this? He will just be jailed and the media wouldn’t even ask about him and the Prez might not even comment if asked.

    • ConfusedAmerican

      You are so very right. Guess I should scream Racist next time I see a police officer. Oh wait I’m white.

      This is going to set back the way Police Officers are able to perform their job.

      You can bet there are going be be a lot of people who will use this as a “Get Out of Jail” card next time they need an excuse, Not just blacks, remember we have all colors of the rainbow.

  • Obama: Dubya’ 2 Electric Boogaloo

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly

    Well, I guess we might conclude that the black officer is thinking, “boy is this Gates guy a total asshole”….

    CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on understanding racial profiling.

    Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

    “I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy,” Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.

    The course, called “Racial Profiling,” teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community “and how you don’t want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from,” Fleming said.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      Nice find. Thank you! That is unbelievable…

  • Seattle Moss

    Obama is a racist straight up!

    What else could you be after 20 years of Wright and Cone.

    Obama is inciting a future race war in this country.
    I’m proud of my heritage and will defend against all those that would disenfranchise me,end my way of life and relegate me to second class citizen.

    When crunch time comes I stand with the Bitter folks that made this country strong.

    • RKStone

      Obama is inciting a future race war in this country.

      You sound like a very rational person. I will listen to what you have to say much more seriously in the future.

      • Seattle Moss

        I’m feeling the bad vibes out there dude!

        I deal with a lot of people! All walks of life and every business you can imagine.
        To be clear I’m not a racist, but I will protect my Heritage,English common law and Judeo Christian principles this country was founded.
        I will not allow folks to blame me or punish me for events that happened hundreds of years ago.
        What I can report to you since your listening so carefully is that people are getting pretty ticked off with the open season on Whitey.

        What goes around will come around.

        Obama was elected based on Race…

        Guess what…
        Two can play at that game!

        • Slim Tyranny

          “Hundreds of years ago”?

          Uh-oh, looks like somebody needs a history lesson!

          • Seattle Moss

            UB…Slim

            I don’t have to be exact dude..

            Where is the justice for the neanderthal?
            I guess we can go back farther
            What about the Romans and the Egyptians

            Slavery and genocide was the norm world wide for those captured in war or tribal expansion and involved all races on all continents.

            The colonists brought slavery to an undeveloped continent and as you have noted it actually continues to this day.
            Surprised..I bet you thought it ended in 1865
            What about all the folks in sweat shops in Asia…Care about them?
            and as you might have noticed slavery is once again a threat to America and will be making a big comeback if the Statist’s gets their agenda.

            • Slim Tyranny

              “Hundreds of years ago”… you know, like the civil rights movement that happened in America back in the 1700s.

              “Slavery and genocide was the norm” – gotta love moral relativism.

              • Peggy Sue

                Women were once burned at the stake, too, Slim. Women are still being stoned to death in several areas of the world.

                How long do we go around this “your pain is greater than my pain” merry-go-round?

                Get off the blame game. Gates acted like a jerk. The cop may or may not have contributed to an ugly scene. But this wasn’t raw racism and you know it as much as the rest of us.

                It was a distraction at best, an unsuitable question to be raised at a healthcare press conference and a ridiculous subject for the POTUS to respond to since even by his own words: he didn’t have the details.

                Stop excusing the inexcusable.

                • Slim Tyranny

                  Whoa, what the f? I never mentioned gender bias and abuse! And you’re right, women have been grossly mistreated by this country (and others) for a long time, and that such unfair treatment didn’t magically end the day women were finally enfranchised in America.

                  There was no merry-go-round, that’s in your head.

                  “Raw racism”? Who knows in this specific case, I haven’t claimed that. I’ve stated (and you can read through my comments) that it is a stupid outcome when the cops arrest someone for disorderly conduct on their own property.

                  “The cops may or may not have contributed to an ugly scene”, yet “Gates acted like a jerk”? Why are you so willing to place blame definitively on one side but not the other?

                  “Unsuitable question”? Well, that’s an issue for the press, but “unsuitable questions” are not exactly uncommon for the corporate media these days.

            • TeakWoodKite

              From what I have read even certian American Indian tribes enslaved others.

              It gets back to the opening scene from 2001 A Space Odessy.

              Speaking of Darwin.

              • Slim Tyranny

                Heh, and this is relevant why?

                You can’t talk about race relations in America and act like the bad stuff all happened “hundreds of years ago.” Institutionalized racism in America existed until only decades ago, and racism did not magically stop as soon as the civil rights laws were passed.

                • TeakWoodKite

                  Human Nature, Slim.

                  • Slim Tyranny

                    Interesting rationalization. It’s also human nature to murder, rape and pillage, does that get excused or minimized as well?

                    You know, this particular thread started because someone claimed that unfair treatment of blacks in America happened “hundreds of years ago.” I simply pointed out that is completely false. Not sure why there’s push-back on that fact.

                    • Seattle Moss

                      Just so that you know slim,

                      The gloves are off now,

                      Whites can now talk about race and protecting their own considering we are being attacked from all sides.

                      I guess we’re learning from all the Racists that voted for Obama.

                    • Slim Tyranny

                      hahahaha

                      I love the whine of victimized white people.

                      As a fellow white person, let me just say that I’m secure in my “protection” from the evil other races that are out to get me and mine.

                      The only thing more pathetic than whiny white wannabe victims are whiny white MALE wannabe victims — Pat Buchanan I’m looking at you!

                    • Seattle Moss

                      So what your saying slim..

                      Your the other white meat!

                      Oink!

                    • Slim Tyranny

                      What I’m saying is, the Pat Buchanans of the world need to stop whining about all the “unfair treatment” white men get in America. It’s absurd and pathetic.

                    • TeakWoodKite

                      Excuse me? Hey Slim, it is not a rationalization to say it is human nature to seek to control others. It is a fact, which in the Darwinian sense, does not make it right just a reality of human nature.

                      Gates is a bigot.

                • Peggy Sue

                  Well, I’ve got news for you, Slim. Sexism still exists in 2009 and Obama supporters delighted in using it in all its putrid ugliness.

                  Or don’t you remember the comments about Hillary Clinton? Or the obscene attacks on Sarah Palin [who I don't support politically but absolutely detest the Leftist attacks].

                  So cry me a river and your incensed history lessons.

                  Tit for tat is an endless and stupid game to play. America is not perfect. Okay, we get it.

                  But you know what? Neither is the rest of the world.

                  • Slim Tyranny

                    What is your problem?

                    I’m sorry, do you DENY that institutionalized racism in America is more recent than “hundreds of years ago”?

                    You are talking about sexism, WHICH I AGREE EXISTS, and yet THIS SPECIFIC COMMENT was with respect to RACISM.

                    “So cry me a river” — seriously, what is your problem? I corrected a falsehood, and you take issue with that?

                    • Peggy Sue

                      Yeah, I take issue with your one-sided view. Seattle is absolutely correct–the gloves are off.

                      If you or anyone else thinks whites or women or any other group is going to roll up into a ball over a history they had no hand in, you are wrong, dead wrong.

                      The guilt game is over, done, finished.

                      So yes, cry me a river and take your lame excuses someplace else. Gates acted like a jerk. The cop may or may not have attributed to an ugly scene. There’s no case for a charge of racism here.

                      But the healthcare reform bill is still a damn disaster. And that affects us all, regardless of the color of our skin or our sex or our religion.

                      Stop excusing the inexcusable and join the dialogue that we all have a stake in–health care, our financial future, the threats that we all face with international instability.

                      Otherwise, STFU!!

                    • Slim Tyranny

                      Christ, you have problems. “One-sided view”? Yea, when someone makes a factually incorrect statement about race, I will correct it? If someone was dumb enough to say “America has never been sexist”, I’d correct that too, but I wouldn’t mention racism BECAUSE IT’S NOT RELEVANT TO THE POINT AT HAND.

                      You seem to think that just because I pointed out a simple fact, I’m guilty of something. You’re directing a lot of anger my way, and it makes NO SENSE.

                      Seriously, you have problems.

                    • Peggy Sue

                      It’s really easy directly anger your way, Slim. I’ve read your ridiculous, finger-pointing posts before.

                      Slink off somewhere else.

                      And btw, I never said that racism wasn’t a problem in America, that we haven’t struggled with it mightily.

                      What I said is the guilt games and the huge industry that has developed around it is on the ash heap. It’s gone, done, finished.

                      So, don’t even try to resurrect it. That dog don’t hunt no more.

                    • Slim Tyranny

                      hahaha

                      The “guilt game industry”. I love it.

                      You have problems, as evidenced by your bizarre reaction to my SIMPLE POINT that racial discrimination did not end “hundreds of years ago.”

                      Do you want an apology from me for stating the obvious? Or do you prefer to keep raging against me for no reason?

        • Docelder

          Hey Seattle, I said this in another post… but I am feeling tensions in lines, in traffic etc. People are more rude, driving more carelessly, in frantic hurries. I think its uncertainty. Uncertainty about the future, about jobs, about being able to send your kids to college. I was talking the other day… I don’t know honestly what to tell my kids if they ask me what they think they should be when they grow up. Besides the “whatever you want to be” bit. What is going to be a good career in 8-10 years time from now? Two years ago, I would have known this for a fact. Now, nobody knows. Nobody knows for sure about anything. This unknown is causing the unrest.

        • Cindy

          Seattle–Excellently stated, as always…..and might I add that my gender was not allowed to vote when slavery was legal, so I really do not owe anybody an apology for the race mess.
          I still say that if anyone has the right to bellyache in this society, it’s the Native Americans. Gosh what a travesty they STILL endure! Some of these EastCoast elitist Harvard-types should spend a week out west on a “res”…it’s very depressing, esp if you know the history of each nation out there.

          • Seattle Moss

            I still say that if anyone has the right to bellyache in this society, it’s the Native Americans

            Cindy,

            My heart breaks for them!

            All through Man’s history genocide has happened to those that had inferior arms or organization to protect themselves.
            That is why I believe in Darwinism.
            It’s a cruel world and getting worse and it will be the survival of the cunning, the well prepared, the ones with superior weapons and a nationalistic pride that think outside the box to thwart the enemy who will survive.

            People don’t want to admit it…We are just part of Nature…Nature is dog it dog and the survival of the fittest.

            • Cindy

              seattle-
              Exactly! Hey, YOU should be teaching at Harvard!

              • Seattle Moss

                Well thank you Cindy!

                Hard to leave all my folks working hard on the line supporting their families by making essential products that liberals need but love to hate.

                If I taught at poor Harvard

                I probably would teach..
                Economic Darwinism and the survival of the fittest.
                The art of the deal.

                How to close in a bad economy.

                How to feel really good about destroying your competition.

                Harvard is to liberal for me. They only know how to make money by pushing paper, speculating and manipulating markets at the expense of all Americans.

                Find me a conservative college and I will teach there.

            • NomNomNom

              My man is a full blooded Native American. He says Custer could have just turned around and walked away.
              He :)

              • NomNomNom

                “He didn’t.”

    • TexasMirth

      Obama is a racist straight up!

      To claim anything else, one would be lying or stupid.
      The irony of the first AA president doing more harm to race relations in this country than any of his white predecessors is not lost on the public. His careless insults about the police officers involved with the screaming Harvard professor shows his lack of concern for facts. When he claimed on October 30, 2008 in a Missouri rally that “five days from now we will fundamentally change America”…he meant it.

      • Slim Tyranny

        “The irony of the first AA president doing more harm to race relations in this country than any of his white predecessors is not lost on the public.”

        That would be ironic, if it were true. Time for another history lesson! Start first with the presidency of Andrew Johnson and his support of the “black codes”.

  • Murray

    Doce: I’ve been reading your comments here for over a year, and have been impressed with your insights, which is why I must say, with much respect: You’re showing your a$$.
    To wit: Gates’ entire career is about race. When he saw a white officer at his front door, he knew EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING while he was berating the officer. What he was doing, was a successful attempt to get himself arrested, in order to draw attention to himself and to his lifelong career.
    Gates’ had never been arrested. He needed it for Street Cred.

    Of all the posts on this subject that I’ve read all day, why can’t anyone see this? Anyone?

    • Slim Tyranny

      Christ, what a comment. “Street cred”? Really?

      That sneaky black guy, immediately seizing upon this situation to get himself arrested to garner that valuable street cred in academic circles!!! How diabolical!

      • Cindy

        Slim…….you must be very young not to, at least, entertain the idea that Murray has a point.

        • Slim Tyranny

          Murray’s elaborate explanation is laughable and highly unlikely, which is why I mocked it.

          On the broader point, anyone must be very young not to, at the least, entertain the idea that Gates had a point.

          Frankly, this story is most revealing in what it tells you about someone’s attitudes towards race. On both sides of this national debate, you have people completely embracing a guilty-as-hell attitude towards Gates/the police and a pure-as-the-driven-snow attitude towards the police/Gates. So many people are SO certain about where the blame lies (on racist white cops vs. racist black people), that you’d think there was no middle ground where a fair, reasonable intepretation stands.

          For me, I just don’t want to get arrested by the police in the house I own because the police think I have an attitude problem in the course of determining I was NOT a criminal. That would just suck, no matter what color you are.

          • Obama: Dubya’ 2 Electric Boogaloo

            Yeah, like nobody ever heard of civil disobedience in promoting their cause, like sit ins during the civil rights era…./snark

    • Docelder

      Doce: I’ve been reading your comments here for over a year, and have been impressed with your insights

      Thanks Murray, we just all have different insights and backgrounds. I have too often seen instances of the law used abusively. I have said it many times, but I might once more. I was a lifelong republican, not because I was for big business, but more for individual freedom and rights. Bush turned a lot of that on it’s head. I think what attracted to me to the republican party was actually more libertarian values and the republicans just seemed closer. Now if we don’t get a third party, I may never participate in the voting process again. But I still see this basically as one man’s home and his property. To me, none of the race stuff is relevant at all, whether it has been successfully injected or not… to me this is about individual rights. And to me the guy should have the right to act an ass in his own home without being arrested or it. That is mostly where I am at on this.

      • Patience

        The fact that this took place at someone’s home is irrelevant IMO. People are arrested at their homes all the time, and sometimes it’s for disturbing the peace.

        Gates was uncooperative and belligerant from the start — first failing to explain the situation to the cop; initially refusing to provide ID; refusing to tell the cop if anyone else was in the home (could’ve been pertinent — what if some sort of domestic violence had occured?); bullying and trying to intimidate the cop; initially refusing to step outdoors, saying something like, “I’ll talk to yo’ mama outdoors”; other witnesses besides the cops said he was screaming, etc., etc. Gates basically tried to prevent the cop from doing his job.

        Yes, people have a right to be obnoxious in their homes. They don’t have a right to thwart the efforts of police who employ proper procedure and are simply trying to do their jobs. If I were Gates’ neighbor — especially one who was the victim of the rash of recent break-ins in the area — I’d be very disturbed with his behavior.

    • TexasMirth

      Yes, it did seem like quite a coincidence that Gates was caught up in a conflict with police officers, considering his field of interest. A coincidence…or a manufactured incident? People know you don’t verbally attack police officers — unless YOU WANT TO CREATE A SCENE OR ARREST. Gates knew exactly what he was doing and Obama, the community agitator, knew, too.

      • Docelder

        Without going metaphysical, to an extent people really do create their own realities. If this guy is thinking profiling, then he will see it even where others wouldn’t. Yes he maybe was acting unreasonably, if he was it is beside the point. But to me, he should have the right to do that in his own home… on his own private property. Once the cop determined the man lived there, the cop had no further business there at all. He has no business arresting him in his own home for some separate charge than that which he was called to the home for. If this weren’t the case, the charges would not have already been so quickly dropped.

      • trixta

        Pray tell, Texas Mirth, what is Gates’ “field of interest”? WTF does that mean? I’ve read his academic writings and have listened to his papers at conferences — and you know nothing about this man and his life’s work. It’s one thing to disagree with his reaction to the Officer, and quite another to disparage his work or pretend you know anything about Gates.

    • trixta

      Murray, your comments about street cred are not just ridiculous, but border on racial stereotyping and bias! Gates is a premier scholar known the world over and he doesn’t need “street cred” to get attention. Have you actually read any of his scholarly works? Have you heard him speak at an academic conference? Have you attended any of his classes? Didn’t think so.

  • Alex

    Obama is SUCH a dip$#!t! We’ve been trying to tell people that all along, but now the whole world is finally seeing it.

    He and Gates should apologize to that officer, his family, and the city of Cambridge. Then Obama should just admit that he’s not up to the job and resign already!

  • Patience

    When any policeman responds to a report of breaking and entering, he has no idea what crime may be occuring. It could be robbery, or it could be some sort of domestic dispute/violence.

    Some thoughts:

    According to the police report, Gates did not initially cooperate when asked to show ID that would verify he resided there, but eventually did. But verification that he was a resident of the premises doesn’t preclude that a crime hadn’t been committed, since Gates failed to offer any explanation. Gates also refused to answer if anyone else was in the residence. Given Gates reported behavior, I’m rather surprised the officer didn’t restrain him at that point and search the premises. For all he knew there could’ve been a battery or murder victim somewhere in the house. Or, for all he knew Gates could’ve been an estranged husband/partner and had forcibly entered the house to take or damage property within. There wouldn’t necessarily have to be a restraining order on record to bolster these types of scenarios.

    Those who are claiming this is an instance of racial profiling are ironically saying Gates didn’t look like a B&E perpetrator because he’s older, smaller and limps!

    From what I know so far, I don’t think the cop in this case displayed bullying or racism. But Gates did, as well as classism and a self-defeating lack of cooperation. I don’t care if he’s considered a preeminent scholar — he still has a lot to learn.

    • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

      Isn’t assuming an elderly dude with a limp not capable of commiting a crime *racial profiling*?

    • Patrick Henry

      Good Comments PATIENCE…
      Everything you say is correct and logical..as a former COP I know what its like to respond to calls like this..or any similar situation where suspected criminal intent is Involved…or going in to a building with potential Burglars..Criminals inside..in this Case …apparently TWO Grow Men..and not knowing where they are..If they are Armed..and what thier intent is…
      A Police Officer Must be alert, Viligant, In Control and a Good Investigator..until He Resolves the situation following Standard police Proceedure ..

      Detaining the suspects, determining thier INTENT and Idenity..and rather they are ARMED or HOSTILE..

      The Professor could have be in an Attempted Kidnap situation..with a Kidnapper hiding and armed..in which case the Officer was there to HELP the Professor..

      Why did the Professor HINDER this Investigation from the Start.??
      ..He is smart enough to know that the Police had a good reason to be there Investigating a reported Burglar Attempt…

      Why refuse to keep the situation CALM and reassure the officer Immedialy in an Adult way…Why NOT Provide ID ..Why refuse to tell the officer who the other man was…and where He was..??

      All the Professor did was keep the Situation TENSE for the Sgt…who still was trying to figure out what was going on…and if there was any DANGER..

      I even have to consider that with this Outcome..and Publicity..That this Event was Staged..

      If the professor was able to enter the Back door…why go out and try Prying on the Front Door..and were they waiting for someone to walk by to make it look like a Burglay Attempt..

      Be nice to know if the Front door really was Stuck Closed..

      If so…How did the officer enter the Home..??

      Remarkable that the Professor is so well Know, Influential AND a Friend of Barack Obamas…who is a Friend of Jerimiah Wright ..

      Obama was way out of Line with his suspected STAGED Comment about this Incident..and the Police Conduct…

      sounds like the Professor HINDERED AN INVESTIGATION..and OBSTRUCTED the Officers Rightful and Lawful Investigation..
      IMO

      • TeakWoodKite

        Patrick Henry, hope you and yours are well.

        Spot on.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          Agreed.

  • Babs

    Look, Obamacare is facing more and more opposition as each day passes, his approval ratings are going down each week, Boxer was just exposed as the elitist racist she is by the very credible Mr. Alford, so didn’t you think it was only a matter of time before Obama or his minions started playing the “race card” again? Unfortunately, I think they’ve drawn a losing hand with this one as more and more about this police officer comes out. He teaches classes on racial profiling, for one, and he was the police officer who tried to revive Reggie Lewis and gave him CPR until the paramedics arrived. Real racist here. Dr. Gates picked the wrong police officer to use as a scapegoat to further his personal agenda, and that’s the bottom line.

    • Murray

      Babs -
      I underscore your bottom line.

    • Obama: Dubya’ 2 Electric Boogaloo

      Wait until Captain Kumbaya’s RCP average goes under 50%. Suddenly we’ll all learn that America is an overtly racist country again from Obama and all his minions.

      It’s only going to get worse and uglier.

  • Matthew Yglesias

    note that racial motivations or there absence have really nothing to do with the nature of Officer Crowley’s misconduct. What happened basically is that Crowley accused Gates, whether for good reason or not, of breaking into his own home. Gates, pissed off, offended Crowley. At which point Crowley, even though he was now perfectly aware that Gates was not guilty of anything, decided to exact revenge by manipulating the situation to create a trumped-up disorderly conduct charge. That’s not professional policing, and it’s not a good use of the City of Cambridge’s law enforcement resources. That’s why the charges were dropped, and that’s why it’s fair to say that Crowley was acting stupidly racial issues aside.

    • TeakWoodKite

      So you did not read the police report file by the sargent?

      The officer was doing his job. Revenge? Are you dense?

      He was leaving a reaptedly warned Gates to calm down.

    • Cindy

      Matthew—-Arguing with policemen is what teenagers do, because they’re usually not very bright in those circumstances.

    • masslib

      Mmmm, but racial issues were not put aside. No one would even be talking about this without the racism issues being insinuated. Obama, himself, took this as an opportunity to talk about race and police misconduct. Further, indeed Gates is still parading around saying he was racially profiled despite any evidence that he was.

    • Obama: Dubya’ 2 Electric Boogaloo

      I think it’s funny that Gates’ own neighbors were the ones who called the cops. My guess is that Gates never interacts with his white honkey neighbors and probably hates them anyway for living in a rich white neighborhood. Maybe if he had taken the time to build relationships with his neighbors they wouldn’t have called the cops.

      But then, you’re asking a known hate whitey kind of guy to act cordial and friendly to white people, like that would happen.

      • Slim Tyranny

        Way to ascribe the worst possible motives and racial attitudes to Gates and Gates alone. How reasonable of you.

        Like I said, this incident really tells us a lot about any given person’s attitude about race in America.

      • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

        The woman lives five miles away, as I wrote above, but works nearby. She would have no reason to know who he is.

        You called him a *known hate whitey kind of guy*. how so?

        • Obama: Dubya’ 2 Electric Boogaloo

          Even before Gates knew anything about Crowley and his history Gates assumed that, as a white cop, he was out to harrass him for being a black man. All Gates was going by was the color of his skin and his prejudice that white cops hate black people.

          That’s not a position you start from if you didn’t have hatred and animosity to people of the opposite race.

          If I saw a group of young black people coming my way up the sidewalk and I crossed the street to avoid them it’s probably because I would have the idea that groups of black kids walking toward a white person can’t amount to any good, right? I know nothing about these kids but based on my own prejudices I would avoid them.

          This is exactly what Gates did. Only instead of crossing the street in fear Gates got all beligerant and aggresive and confrontational because he assumed that a white cop in a black man’s house would never amount to any good.

          Gates is a racist.

  • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

    You need to read the police report, Matthew.

    The problem started when Mr. Gates refused to proffer ID and started yelling racial epithets.

  • Babs

    I saw Dr. Gates on CNN and one of his comments was something like “if racial profiling can happen to ME, it can happen to any black man in America”. Whoa, there, Dr. Gates, if all men are equal under the law, if all men should be treated equally under the law, why on earth would you think this police officer should have treated you differently when responding to a 911 call of a possible break-in at your home? Does a job at Harvard exempt you from a disorderly conduct charge if warranted? Does a job at Harvard mean you can accuse this officer of racial profiling from the first moment he appeared at your door? Does a job at Harvard have anything to do with this at all except in your own mind? Elitism is color blind, and Dr, Gates drives that point home more than anyone in recent memory.

    • Peggy Sue

      I think you’re right, Babs. I think this particular incident had less to do with racism, than Gates being obnoxious, possibly dead tired from an international flight, annoyed he couldn’t get his own door open, and then taking it out on an officer doing his job.

      Doesn’t mean racial profiling doesn’t exist. But kneejerk ractions like this one belittle and distract from valid charges out there. I think the fact that Gates changed his tune on reflection, stated that it was a “regrettable” incident, indicates that even he knows he has no case.

      Why this was asked during a press conference on health care is beyond me, other than a distraction from the Democratic failure to present a decent reform bill.

      We need to keep our eye on the ball–this Health care bill stinks.

  • oowawa

    From my perspective down here on the bottom of this thread, I look up and see that this is a divisive issue. I see some folks that are normally on the same side disagreeing rather vehemently with each other. That’s fine, but I wonder: in police departments across this country, is this going to be a divisive issue? Is it going to come between white and black officers on the beat or in the same patrol car? It can’t be good.

    In my opinion, President Obama should not have made the “stupid” comment.

    • Slim Tyranny

      But Obama didn’t say “racist”, he said “stupidly.”

      As in, the cops were not racist, they acted stupidly. Now, Obama obviously wasn’t there and doesn’t know all the facts, but getting arrested for disorderly conduct while on your own property (and those charges getting subsequently dropped) seems like a stupid outcome.

      From a pure individual and property rights perspective, “talking rude to cops” should not be a crime.

      • Peggy Sue

        Slim said:

        ” . . . “talking rude to cops” should not be a crime.”

        Agreed. But it is an example of “acting stupidly.” When my kids were teenagers, I always told them that if they were stopped by a cop to remain calm, show ID if instructed, and keep their damn mouths shut.

        We’re talking common sense here. But as Will Roger’s said, “common sense ain’t so common, otherwise more people would have it.”

        • Slim Tyranny

          Yes, I agree, talking back to cops is “acting stupid,” in the sense that you’re (in some cases) tempting authority figures to overstep their bounds. But, as you said, it’s not a crime. So getting arrested for it is stupid on the part of the police.

          • TeakWoodKite

            Never smack

      • Patience

        By what pertinent statute are you or anyone else here determining that disorderly conduct can’t be charged simply because the person is at their own home?

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    imho this should not even be news,
    the only reason it is news because of the color issue

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      I agree. This may have been local news but Mr. Gates’ racial epithets made it national news.

      No one told him he had to yell at the cops. He chose his own behavior and it cost him an arrest and a ride in a police car.

      Gates could have had a completely different afternoon than the one he chose that day.

      • Slim Tyranny

        The cops could have had a completely different afternoon than the one they chose that day as well.

        Seriously, “yelling at the police” while on your own property and not committing any crime is NOT disorderly conduct, and the fact that you’re willing to put 100% of the “blame” on Gates is unfair. Both Gates and the police could have improved their reactions to prevent this situation.

        • Obama: Dubya’ 2 Electric Boogaloo

          Of course, flip the races and if it was a white guy and a black cop and the white guy was calling him the “N” word and a racist it would be a hate crime.

          When Gates does it it’s an example of free speech and private property rights.

          Say what you want, but it’s a huge double standard. I think people like Gates believe that because of past racial injustices it makes them immune to their own racial hatred.

          • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

            “Of course, flip the races and if it was a white guy and a black cop and the white guy was calling him the “N” word and a racist it would be a hate crime.”

            spot on. calling someone an N word is hurtful and ugly, and i HATE that word. And it I assume hurts the receiver of those words.

            Labeling someone a racist can ruin their career and reputation.

            But one carries more weight, and has the full force of the law behind it.

            • Slim Tyranny

              Heh, um yea, the N word and the R word are treated differently, and one does indeed carry more weight. One word is a racial epithet of no redeeming value, and the other is a value judgement that MAY BE CORRECT.

              Just like there’s a substantive difference between calling someone a “b*tch” and calling someone sexist.

              • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

                Yes, and as I said, accusing someone of being a racist (when they aren’t) can ruin their career and reputation. Look at what is happening to Crowley. The President of the US and scores of people now think he is a racist, or stupid. His is having to endure unfair attacks and labels, and this had great potential to harm his reputation as a cop and citizen.

        • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

          Cite the federal or state or country law that says that, Slim. Because in the America the rest of us live in, refusing to show ID, refusing to cooperate, refusing to comply with an officer is unlawful.

          Why do you think so many idiots end up in custody? Could it be because they think they are above the law?

        • trixta

          For once I agree with you, Slim.

  • tzada

    Wonder who would profit the most with a distraction about now? Could it be someone who is down in the polls and wants to drag out that moldy ole race card? Or are other forces trying to start a race war?

    Obama’s racist demagoguery’ By Pamela Geller, World Net Daily

    Excerpt:

    The speech was scandalous. The NAACP audience listened to the African-American president of the United States rail against discrimination in the country that elected him. His antagonist in the speech was the big white bogeymen, stealing the very lives and futures of black children, Muslims, Latinos and gays. Demagoguery. Obama complained that “more than half a century after Brown v. Board, the dream of a world-class education is still being deferred all across the country. African-American students are lagging behind white classmates in reading and math – an achievement gap that is growing in states that once led the way in the civil rights movement.”

    Does Obama believe, and does he expect us to believe, that this “achievement gap” is due to white racism? If there is an “achievement gap,” it is because the left seized public education and destroyed it. No one, of whatever color, wants to send his or her kids to a public school. Affluent Americans opt out, and industrious Americans homeschool. But the Democrats deny school vouchers to the poor, which amounts to denying them an opportunity for a real education. The left wants to keep them down on the farm.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/07/pamel-obamas-racist-demagoguery-by-pamela-geller-world-net-daily.html

    • Slim Tyranny

      Atlas Shrugs? Pamela Geller? Really? You go to her for incisive commentary?

      What’s next, you going to link to Geller’s in-depth analysis of Hillary Clinton’s lesbian affair with a Muslim aide?

      Geller is a crackpot moron, and her long history of hateful, dishonest attacks on the Clintons specifically and Democrats generally should have taught you to ignore her by now.

      • Seattle Moss

        Ub Slim,

        Geller is a hero to Jews and Israel. I know you don’t care but the citizens living in Israel today had no say in the victors of WW2 creating the Israeli state.

        If I was under constant threat from attack I would be doing whatever needed to be done for self preservation.
        That is why I support Israel bringing it to the Iranians..

        Just so that you know…I used to despise Israel until I realized that the same thing could happen to me.
        They are fighting for their right to exist.

        I stand with my brothers in Israel at the time of their need.

        Geller and Geert Wilders are both bringing to our attention the Muslim threat to our culture and to Europe..I have seen the encroachment first hand.

        • Slim Tyranny

          What is “ub”?

          Geller IS a crackpot moron, there are many defenders of Israel available as heroes who aren’t LUNATICS. Just spend five minutes reviewing her “analysis” of Democrats generally and the Clintons specifically. She’s really a terrible person (I won’t link to her, but she really thinks Hillary Clinton had a lesbian affair with a Muslim aide, and was worried how this would affect Clinton’s work as Secretary of State — SHE IS CRAZY).

          Of course, I see you apparently enjoy her frothing-at-the-mouth hatred of all things Muslim.

          • Seattle Moss

            I guess when the second Holocaust happens Geller will be viewed different.
            I guess when Europe becomes Muslim and institutes Sharia law then you might think different.

            When sleeper cells from Vancouver BC infiltrate and attack this country I know you will be thinking different.

            I wonder why the word Catastrophe keeps being used….

            Democrats have painted themselves into a corner…They fail to see Darwinism because they live in a false world where man is separated completely from nature and can live a Marxist utopia.

            How stupid they are….

            Natural selection will cause the extinction of the democrats.

            As for UB…That was a Pork Roast that used to show up at this site claiming he was a black man when in fact he was just the other white meat…I guess you remind me of old porker.

            • Slim Tyranny

              Geller will be viewed forever for what she is: a crazy, irrational, hateful person.

              You keep bringing up Darwinism, not sure why, but I imagine you have some sort of explanation. I don’t particularly want to hear it, as evolutionary theory really has nothing to do with political and moral theory.

              • Seattle Moss

                Geller will be viewed forever for what she is: a crazy, irrational, hateful person.

                Geller represents her race and people and understands the threats…You don’t!

                You keep bringing up Darwinism, not sure why

                I guess that says it all…Enjoy your Utopian crash.

                Obama’s entire agenda along with the elitist culture behind him are coming crashing down…

                In October…Commercial real estate will cause the second shoe to fall which will lead to massive additional unemployment plus a collapse to 6000 in the market.

                The only thing that matters after that is
                Economic Darwinism at all costs.Jobs at all costs..Get it!
                That means lowering taxes on Business
                Less regulations.
                Economic war against our competitors.

                Obama’s agenda is anti-Business and soon will be regulated to the dust bin of history.

  • Rob G in Chicago

    I find the continuous references to the police report as if it were irrebutably presumed to be the unvarnished truth to be the most incredible aspect of this sorry episode. Cops lie, witnesses lie or are mistaken in their observations (“two me with backpacks), irate homeowners lie. If everyone told the absolute truth, there would be no need for most judges or juries or trials. Gates acted like an entitled brat, and the cop wanted some payback for the irritation he had to put up with, and as for Obamas comments on the situation, well that was the poorest exhibition of judgement in the whole sorry mess.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      Um, Gate’s attorney is basically concurring WITH the police report.

    • trixta

      RoG, you are spot on this one! Lot’s of bruised egos and one big mess!

      • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

        Eight credible eye and ear witnesses are also backing up the police report.

        Keep up. LOL!

  • mountainaires

    No way this cop is racist. Dr. Gates is the racist.

    CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (AP) — The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on understanding racial profiling.

    Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

    “I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy,” Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.

    The course, called “Racial Profiling,” teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community “and how you don’t want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from,” Fleming said. The academy trains cadets for cities across the region.

    http://www.thegrio.com/2009/07/officer-who-arrested-gates-is-profiling-expert.php

    I might be kicked out of “The Black scholars club” for saying this, but the truth is that I don’t feel sorry for Henry Louis Gates.

    [...]

    What is abundantly clear is that this is NOT the case of a poor Black male being exploited by the racist, classist power structure. Perhaps the next time there is another Jena Six incident, Dr. Gates will fight as diligently for poor Black men as he is fighting for himself, and his fight will go beyond writing papers for academic journals that hardly anyone ever reads.

    This article, “Consider this before crying ‘racial profiling,’” first appeared in The Grio.

    Full article at:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32085686

    • http://www.latinarepublican.com DD

      I agree. Gates has an ill will motive. He is on path to create a documentary and has a motive to act the way that he did. He was unreasonable, and obviously has complex problem.

    • http://deleted BuzzisbackLatte

      I love the universe. Gates chose to yell racist to the wrong cop! It doesn’t get much better in the irony department than that one.

      Then Obama opens his mouth and inserts his whole body!!!!

      I love cosmic jokes!!!!

  • http://helpmejoseph.typepad.com/puma_for_life/ Puma for Life

    Call me a racist, I don’t care, but I am sick and tired of whining black men. Get over it. Obama is going to start a race war.

    • Slim Tyranny

      You’re a racist. There, we all feel better.

      “Race war” = hilarious.

      • TeakWoodKite

        This from someone who has never been in the middle of a race riot.

        Slim, poor guilty white man. It shows.

  • texaslatina

    personally i think the next “attack” biden talked about when he said obama would be “tested” could be a race war. slim you better wake up because we are all gonna have to stick together and not turn on each other. and the truth is, the people in power now, will do anything to take our guns and our power away. and if that means a race war, they will do it.

  • http://www.latinarepublican.com DD

    You guys are beginning to get a taste of what could happen in America when something happens to people who are quick to pull the race card.

    Democrats created this monster when they voted for Obama. Several progressive types created a monster because of their “white guilt”, and y’all better hope that Obama’s stupidity with regard to making comments without knowing all of the facts doesn’t create RODNEY KING-TYPE-OF-RIOTS.

    :roll:

    • ConfusedAmerican

      Most of you have heard me talk about my participation in Civil Rights movement as a White teen. Back then it was so very different and the people were at times fighting for the right to be treated as a human being. Many in the very deep south were considered even lower or worth less than any animal.

      When I see people semmily use the race or even scream bigot to get out of the messes they were in I want to cry. These people are hunting the real discrimination that is happening in the country and world. Deep down I truly have my doubts about Gates.
      I truly feel that Gates was tired after after a Very long trip and probably Very upset at having problems getting into his house. So an officer comes to door and distrubs him. (Think about it you are probably very tired and probably a bit agitated already). I will admit I would probably just sit down and start crying. Gates admits he was agitated. So take it from there.
      Gates was arrested following the police officer ranting and after two warnings from the officer.

  • mary

    Excuse me, but isn’t Professor Gates MICHELLE’S HARVARD ANGER-MANAGEMENT Fellow attendee….I recall they both used to frequent the Anger Management Clinic at Harvard after Lectures. They were exemplary students, both of them! Whatever happened to their potential?!

    They both had shown such exemplary potential! Whatever happend to them?

    Meantime Obama — not knowing as he Himself admitted — all the FACTS, accuses the police of racist and stupid conduct!

    This does not sound too Presidential.

    Mike Madden at the SAlong has a terrific piece today on Obama’s most boring and ineffectual speech on Health care! A Must read….

    Now, how could we get the message to Obama that he should attend ANGER MANAGEMENT THERAPY with MICHELE and PROF. GATES?? Tough sell, given his egomaniacal proclivities…

  • ConfusedAmerican

    Sort of off topic but not really. Has anyone else noticed that many of the so called Dem commmenators are losing it today on many issues on the news shows.

    ON several shows the so called Dem commenators where overpowering the host, sometimes screaming on the issues of Health Card, Obama’s BC and the Gates issue.
    I was just Watching Lou Dobbs and Lou was lucky to get in a word edge wise espeically on the BC issue and Health care issue. I will admit most of the so called Dem commentators were more apologetic on the Gates issue as to the President’s words.
    It was this same way with Glen Beck and a few other shows when I was flipping channels.

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  • Peggy Sue

    I’ve got a suggestion.

    Let’s ignore Slim. He/she isn’t here for discussion, only provocation. I took a rough count, old Slim has nearly 20 responses on this thread alone, way more than his/her comments are truly worth.

    Don’t feed the troll. They feed off our energy that is really misplaced in this case. The problem isn’t racism or the stupidity in Cambridge.

    The problem is the corruption and real stupidity in Washington, DC.

    Give Slim his/her rightful due–invisibility and absolute silence.

    I’ll go first.

    • NomNomNom

      I often agree with you Peggy Sue, but not on this one. Dissent is necessary for a forum. Slim’s comments are as valid as anyone else’s and the pile on and frequent perhaps intentional misinterpretation of his/her comments was a little much, jmo.

      • oowawa

        NomNomNom, isn’t “not responding” also a valid form of dissent? It wouldn’t be “piling on,” would it? This, as I read it, is what Peggy Sue is suggesting.

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ American Girl in Italy

    Crowley gives a long radio interview:

    http://audio.weei.com/m/25432556/sgt-james-crowley-cambridge-police.htm

    Cop who arrested black scholar is profiling expert

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly_51

    The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on understanding racial profiling.

    Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

    “I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy,” Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.

    The course, called “Racial Profiling,” teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community “and how you don’t want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from,” Fleming said.

    • Peggy Sue

      I read this earlier, AGI. And it’s important to bring up here because the kneejerk response is to claim racism since the officer is white and Gates is black. I listened to the interview the officer gave and there was absolutely nothing in his response to indicate he was anything but respectful and doing his job. He was also very respectful in commenting about the President’s response last night. I wonder if they’ve interviewed this man’s partner and what his comments were.

      I find it interesting that Bill Cosby said he was shocked that Obama felt it necessary to answer this question during last night’s press conference. Me, too. What it has to do with healthcare is beyond me.

      So, opinions are all over the place. So be it for that “post-racial” moment we were all suppose to be experiencing.

      Thanks for the update!

  • Seattle Moss

    Since the gloves are off..

    I’m proud to be white!
    I’m proud of our heritage and the wonderful advances in the human condition that were helped by civil society based on Liberty and natural law.

    I make no apologies to anyone and have no guilt.

    If you don’t like the fact that I’m big white successful guy who loves my country and believes in American Exceptionalism and pushing the envelope of American liberty and freedom wherever we can..

    That’s just tough shit..Get used to it!!!
    Your racist dream of destroying whitey and American power really means the backlash revolution on you.

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  • Cindy

    James…Please don’t use the word “bitch”. It’s as bad as the word “nigger”. Sexism is as bad, if not worse, than racism, because it cuts across all color lines.
    Thank you.

  • TeakWoodKite

    NomNomNom,

    I counted four times the officer gave that information in his report. In fact he stated he was leaving the house and asked Gates to come outside to repeat for a 5th time his name and badge., to wit Gates said according to the report “I will meet your mama outside”.

    All honey aside.

  • TeakWoodKite

    “tumultuous behavior”; see police report.

    (a) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior; or (b) makes unreasonable noise or offensively coarse utterance, gesture or display, or addresses abusive language to any person present; or (c) creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.

    .

    And? You think Gates talking about the Sargent “mama” is a gesture of good will?