gates-gate: the tale of the tape

Back in November after That One was elected, I predicted that there would be a “blacklash”. Basically, the race card will no longer be effective and no one will care what they say anymore. They’ll think they were living in utopia before That One was elected. Mark my words.

“Press secretary Robert Gibbs told NBC News that Obama wished he had not escalated the issue, adding that the media’s “obsessions” were keeping alive Obama’s comments.”

Now Obama is unhappy about what he calls “the media’s obsessions”. Funny, I thought it was the media’s obsession that helped get him elected.

Obama’s poll numbers are slipping, even slightly among African Americans, so he did what he always did at that point during the primaries–he played the race card. Whatever the police officer did or whatever Gates did didn’t even matter at that point because Obama knew nothing of the circumstances–he just seized an opportunity to divide America again.

hehe

This is excellent reporting on the news which i have not seen in my local newspaper.

Had Obama not recklessly inserted himself into this story, it would not be much of a story other than a black professor with an obvious chip on his soldier reacting maybe like many of us would react to the embarrassment of this situation.

Now Obama IS the story in this and the police and the union have rightly said Obama was dead wrong. For someone who claimed he would end division and be a calming force, he has done everything but that to the point where other noted african americans can’t back him on this.

With this matter, once again, it showed that experience DID matter because Obama reacted irresponsibly.

Racial profiling is a legitimate issue but it has been trivialized and we have Obama and Gates to thank for this. Bill Cosby has been a voice of reason and should be the spokesman for AAs. The election of Obama and his pandering to black apologists and guilty whites has set back race relations 35 years. It is time for blacks to accept responsibility for their actions and not excuses. My son works in a public defenders office and has a black client who raped his 12 year old daughter and he justifies this behavior on environment and poor choices.

It’s also another one of his many patterns. He’s never at fault. Blame someone else–even if it is the institution that got you elected. Is there any room left under the bus????

Rassmussen has Obama in the negative for the first time 49 Approve/51 dissaprove.

I think we just found Baracka’s “Terry Schiavo” moment….

Obama blaming the media?
Whiner just as Sarah

true. they made a joke of real cases of abuse and racism.

What does the *most trusted man in news* think about Obama stepping in it?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/07/24/jon-stewart-obama-handled-gates-racism-question-stupidly

i doubt it now that the entire police force was thrown under there.

Has anyone seen the newest Cambridge Press Conference.
It looks like Obama is not too popular with police officers across the nation right now. That is not a good for President Obama.
They said they have gotten emails from all over the nation from people, police officers and police departments.
IF you support them and dont like what Obama said go to their web sidt and put in your vote of support.

Obama blaming the media?

cry me a river…

yes we had an open thread during it. i watched. it was great.

here is a recap: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32122967/ns/us_news-race_and_ethnicity/

what is the web site for the police to show support?

I had an elementary student a few years ago – who happened to be black – scream that I was a racist when I sent her to the back of the line for kicking another student. She just started screaming that I was doing that because she was black and that I was racist.

I said that I didn’t care if she were purple. I would send her to the back because she had hurt another student. The rest of the class – which included hmong, native americans, white, and another black student all burst out in laughter. This, in turn, caused the little girl to become livid.

The point is that there was a complete disconnect by the student to the cause of her going to the back of the line was her BEHAVIOR. The only reference she had to herself was her skin color.

I really don’t see much difference between that incidence and the one with Mr. Gates.

This one is to the main site with all the contact listtings for the Cambridge Police Department. http://www.cambridgema.gov/CPD/Contact/

This is the site for Public Relations for Cambridge Police Department.
http://www.cambridgema.gov/cpd/contact/mailform.cfm?email_id=75

I wish I had been in on that forum.

Sara, thank you so much for assembling this great collection of links and info so quickly. you are truly an asset to No Quarter!

Rasmussen had been putting a smile on my face for the last few days.

Sent mine

My favorite quote from the Racist Black Professor:

“I’m a Harvard Professor, you believe white women over black men.”

WilliamTangoFoxtrot

Maybe we white women should sue the Prof for defamation. What a total idiot. With Obama and his friends in power I think I’m becoming a flaming racist.

Amen!!!

it’s ridiculous to say that Obama played “the race card” here. Gates may have done so, but Obama himself never accused the officer of being racist. He said three true things about it:

1) anybody would be angered by being hassled by police in their own home, after showing ID

2) the arrest itself was stupid. This is arguable, but IMO true — nothing was gained by the officer arresting Gates rather than swallowing his own pride and just leaving, just as nothing was gained by Gates yelling at the cop in the first place.

3) there is a long history of racial profiling in arrests in this country.

Number 3 is undeniably true, and pointing it out is not the same as calling this particular cop racist. It is merely an acknowledgment of the disturbing (and ongoing) pattern of racial profiling by American police forces in general. No doubt, it was awareness of these stats that set Gates off in the first place. And really, I (a white guy) can’t blame him for it — if this had happened to me, and I was aware of similar patterns of historical (and again: ongoing) prejudice against people who looked like me, I’d be awfully pissed. Wouldn’t you?

thanks ya’ll! :OD

I think Obama needs a Much bigger bus. There are numerous police officers that feel that Obama threw them under the bus.
I dont think his current buss is big enough anymore is it.

Hey were is our cartoon artist with the bus..I bet many would get a kick out of the updated version.

Gates was pissed because Crowley showed up on his door investigating a possible B&E. NO I would NOT be pissed. I would be grateful someone was keeping an eye on my home.

I would be pissed if I were accused of being racist while simply doing my job.

I still maintain the racial inference in this case is inherently wrong and it will prove to be a black hole which will consume necessary energy. On top of that, other than responding at all about this case… which Obama should have known better than to do… Obama essentially was initially right about it in that the arrest was made after it was established the man lived there and the call was for burglary. But he should have kept that to himself. The profiling diatribe is dead wrong, as the second encounter was more about insubordination and egos. Keeping something to yourself that you probably should keep to yourself is sometimes hard to do though.

My favorite quote from the esteemed Prof:

“I’m a Harvard professor . . . You believe white women over black men.”

What the heck is that supposed to mean? I think with these folks in power, I AM becoming racist and mansogynistic.

haha, have fun with your outlier poll:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

even Fox News has a double-digit positive split

My favorite, from the police report:

Yeah, I’ll speak to your mama outside!

LOL. Yeah, capping on a cops mother. That’s almost a candidate for a Darwin Award.

…and Gates says, “You believe a white woman before a black man.”

Well there you have it.

Who is the racist? who is the sexist?

Good for the police involved in this story for speaking truth to power.

Obama is an asshat among other things.

sent!

Regardless of what one believes, there are CONSEQUENCES TO EVERY ACTION. Period.

If you are prepared for the consequence, then by all means proceed. But, please make sure you know what you are getting into and what consequences may arise.

I am reminded of what Ruby Dee did and said to Denzel Washington in American Gangster when the character was angry and wanted to retaliate against the police officer. She smacked him and had him sit down and said “You don’t kill (or shoot) cops. Even I know that.”

In analogy, i think this general rule fits even in this situation. You don’t disrespect or yell at law enforcement. Period. It is not about right and wrong, it is about R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Judges do the same thing to lawyers and and regular people and put them in jail if they disrespect their courtroom all the time. That is why they call the action “Disorderly Conduct.”

Try to take the high road if at all possible even if someone else is in the wrong because law enforcement have the right to arrest, shoot or kill you and make an excuse about it. Now, there are exceptions to the general rule, but it is good rule to live by to try to avoid the GRAVE CONSEQUENCES that can exist.

It is my opinion, that Professor Gates was embarrased and hurt and jumped to conclusions especially from arriving from a long trip from Asia. When people are emotional, they tend to act irrational. But, there was another way to handle the situation and avoid the arrest. That is what needs to be made clear here.

In analogy, i think this general rule fits even in this situation. You don’t disrespect or yell at law enforcement. Period. It is not about right and wrong, it is about R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Judges do the same thing to lawyers and and regular people and put them in jail if they disrespect their courtroom all the time. That is why they call the action “Disorderly Conduct.”

Try to take the high road if at all possible even if someone else is in the wrong because law enforcement have the right to arrest, shoot or kill you and make an excuse about it. Now, there are exceptions to the general rule, but it is good rule to live by to try to avoid the GRAVE CONSEQUENCES that can exist.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/24/cnn_anchor_calls_news_conference_incendiary.html

CNN anchor Tony Harris called a police union conference “incendiary.” At the conference, several police unions called for President Obama to apologize to Sgt. Crowley.

FOX News Poll: Obama Approval Rating Drops to New Low

A FOX News poll released Thursday shows approval of Obama’s job performance at a new low of 54 percent. That is down from 62 percent in June.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534606,00.html

haha

LOL! Don’t worry Oh-One-Who-Drinks-The-Kool-Aid, Dailykooks still has Obama at 99% approval rating on their web site, LOL. Obama is still on the downside of 55% approval and his RCP avg. for disapproval has it 40+%.

Patience grasshopper…

Be serious… if a cop showed up at your door, demanded ID and continued to be suspicious when you provided it, you wouldn’t be aggravated?

Hypothetical: what if you were in, say, Italy. And what if you knew that 70% of the time Italian cops investigated someone for potential criminal behavior, they investigated an American Woman. Let’s say they had been doing this for years and years. And let’s say you knew that only 15% of the people in the land of Italy were American Women. Let’s say you also knew that American Women committed nowhere near 75% of the crimes in Italy.

So then an Italian cop responds to a B&E at your house, and thinks you’re the one breaking in. Let’s say you show this Italian cop documentation proving that it’s your house, but he keeps on questioning you.

This wouldn’t make you angry? Really? Really??

O played the race card the same week at an NAACP meeting by bringing up that blacks, Latinos, gays and Muslims were being targeted by whites.

Could this have been a setup? It is just too pat. People we are being played over and over. Obama and the blacks are taking pages out of the Muslim playbook. Raise holy hell at every chance to further their agenda. Divide and conqueror.

The sad thing in all this, is that it has set back race relations so many years. It is a strange thing for a president to strive to divide and to pit one race against another. But again I say this, people of all colors are being played.

Before someone in the Muslim community sets upon me, I am a direct decedent of Muhammed ben ‘Abd Allah Banu Hashim, Muhammad the Prophet through his daughters Fatimah Al-Zahra Banu Hashim and Roccija bint Muhammad.

I have never been a Muslim and did not learn of my heritage until lately. My mother told me that I was 100% Scottish. lol

This I do know that radical Islam is just that radical, and I believe it will destroy itself before it will conquer the world.

Hypothetical: What if you stopped drinking the Kool Aid and used common sense?

if a cop shows up at my door (a door that i had JUST been trying to break into) told me he was responding to a 911 call about a B&E, and asked me for my ID and to step outside I would immediately get my purse, tell him I just got home, found my door jammed, and I would be outside while telling him this.

I would also thank him for responding so quickly and checking up on the call. And I would explain that my house (as was gates’) had been robbed earlier that month so I was glad people were now keeping an eye out for each other.

If he asked me if anyone was in the house I would tell him if there was or not.

You need to listen to the interviews and read the police report. Gates did not just *show his ID, and then Crowley kept bothering him*. When Gates FINALLY provided ID, Crowley left. Gates followed him to the porch as was witnessed by numerous people, and continued to berate him.

Gates had NO reason to be rude to the cop when he arrived.

Somebody else said yesterday… the cops usually win these first rounds, but guys in suits win in the end. I still maintain to be careful here. We don’t know the players in this yet, but I am certain that we will know them before it’s over. Race is not a part of this. I keep saying it. Race is a game always played on the away field for those on the right. Race is poison.

oh for f*cks sake!

what an IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You didn’t respond to the hypothetical. I want to know how you honestly think you would respond in that situation, with knowledge of those numbers.

And the thing is… with respect to black people in the United States, it’s NOT hypothetical:

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03justice/dwb03.htm

It’s very real. And if I were black, and it happened to me, I would be very angry. Hell, I’m white, and it makes me angry.

I think the most glaring aspect of this entire matter is Obama’s “stupidly” comment to the nation after stating that he was biased at the outset. It showed everyone on the planet that Obama is incapable of being a national leader of all races simply BECAUSE of his own bias. He can’t seem to get beyond that bias even now and it showed by what he said.

People are accusing Crowley of not taking the higher road and simply walking away from a crazy acting Gates but Obama could not even keep his mouth shut on a subject that he knew little or nothing about. Where is Obama’s high-road approach to all this? Where is his level headed sanity? If this is what we get from our leaders, Lord help us.

This could be a devastating blow to the Obama administration. Obama is now in a box and whatever path he takes out of this situation will alienate a strong vocal group that won’t forget. Many BlueDogs have constituents that are on the cops side and this will just add to calls not to support O’s agenda. If he throws Gates’ under the bus many blacks will look at this as the last straw(Rev. Wright, not overtly working for a black agenda). The Democratic party is fragmenting and it all started in the primaries last year.

i have had similar situations, and I always have acted cordial and as the cops requested.

As far as Italy, cops can pull you over for no reason what so ever, and they do. All the time. You comply with their demands.

Gates WASN’T profiled – Crowley was responding to a 911 call.

I wonder what would happen if Gate’s home is ever burglarized again. Would he call the police and how would they react after the way he has treated them? Being the dedicated professionals they are, they would most probably investigate in spite of the fact that this white hating piece of scum would likely try to use this to smear the department with more charges of racism.
Maybe he should just call those paragons of virtue, the Nation of Islam.
Obama was, is, and always be a phony, a racist and an America hater.

Thank you for your productive contribution.

Now, if you can be a grownup for a second, take a look at the link I posted below. Turns out, it’s not hypothetical at all.

On complex questions, common sense is only useful when paired with reliable data.

I wonder how Obama feels, having his basically truthful remarks twisted and spun into the vortex of racial politics. If he is still perplexed, maybe he should give Bill Clinton a call and ask President Clinton how he felt. What goes around, comes around, Obie.

What cha angry about dude? That One doesn’t comment, this is a non story- period:-)

Stop the lickfest!

Obama is incapable of accepting responsibility for anything, yet he tries to take credit for everything done by others.
Be a man and own up to the fact that you shouldn’t have called either the police or the policeman’s actions stupid and APOLOGIZE! You know what an apology is, don’t you Barack? It’s what you and the black community demand from the white community for every perceived slight, real or not.
There is anger growing out there in the white population. We’re just tired of the flim-flam from blacks. Get a job!

Excellent round up. Thank you!!

This whole thing has me soo frustrated.

You have NOT had similar situations. Because with respect to you, those numbers are hypothetical — you can only imagine what such a situation is like. Those numbers never have actually applied to you, and never will.

With respect to Gates, and every other black person in this country, it’s all too real. I’m asking you to imagine what that’s like, for one second, and tell me with a straight face that it wouldn’t piss you off.

they wouldn’t have needed to do a press conference had obama and deval patrick not criticized them, and had Gates not painted Crowley as a racist.

he calls a man defending himself from defamation as incendiary? that was so stupid.

Yeah, I watched the news conference and Tony’s comments as well. Tony is indeed an idiot. I thought the comments by the Cambridge police department were right on. I stood and applauded the TV when he essentially told Obama off. It’s about freaking time someone caught him (Obama) in the act of defending his own racist bias.

Best comment yet AGI!

How do you racially profile before you even get to the home?

This is all just the red-herring campaign being used by the oblahma administration. When something goes wrong for them (healthcare) they’ll just throw out the tired meme of racism so the tool media can cover it over and over and divert the good portion of clueless Americans who rely on soundbites to get their news.

However many Americans are waking up from their koolaid induced comas and are not going to buy this bulls**t anymore

It is time for blacks to accept responsibility for their actions and not excuses. My son works in a public defenders office and has a black client who raped his 12 year old daughter and he justifies this behavior on environment and poor choices.

This is right out of racism 101. Generalize much? (BTW, next time, if you want to disguise your racism, you might identify the color of everyone in your story.)

What was truthful about his calling the police actions stupid? Were you there? How can you possibly make such a blanket statement?
Just how naive are you?

How do you cover for his remarks at the NAACP meeting? He dragged Latinos, gays and Muslims, along with blacks as being victims of whites. I suppose that was ok too?

I have seen this firsthand. I practiced for five years in a Dallas hood. I always had very good rapport with the neighborhood. I remember having a thank you event for the clinic at a nearby Mesquite, TX steakhouse. We invited many original patients and their families who had been with us from the start and who had helped us build good p.r. in the community etc. Some were honestly afraid to go. I had to convince them they would be with me and promise them nothing would happen to them with me there with them. They were honestly afraid to go there because of the Mesquite police. I never knew this was so real as I had not seen it outside of the television. But, I knew these people and it was very real. I will never forget the smiles on their faces going to the steakhouse under the protection of their white guy doctor. It makes me happy and sad all at once to think of it.

Oh, and you might tell your son, just because he looks down on his “client” does not entitle him under the canon of ethics to breach attorney/client privilege by discussing their communication with you. He works FOR the accused, even though that work is being paid for by the state.

while I admire that you’re at least thinking hard and, I believe, honestly about this, I still strongly disagree with any analysis that attempts to take race out of the picture. The situation, in my opinion, would never have escalated as it did were it not for Gates’ assumption of racial profiling. The really tragic thing is that although I believe the officer was acting with generally good intentions (ego stuff aside), Gates wasn’t wrong to assume racial profiling, based on a wealth of data with which I’m sure he’s familiar. Profiling is real, it happens every day, and I can’t say I’d have acted any differently in Gates’ shoes.

Sad story, from top to bottom. And Obama probably shouldn’t have commented, at least not yet.

gates is crowing about how he NOW understands what it is like to be a poor black man in america because he has finally seen first hand and suffered the racism that they do….

he is almost 60 years old, well educated, lives in a lovely neighborhood, has won countless awards and accolades.

i don’t think, by his own comments, he has had similar situations either. by his own statements, this is the first time he has been subjected to “this kind of treatment”. (which he wasn’t subjected to)

sent mine!

You must be a man. Many women, esp. in big cities, have to confront the notion that that guy in uniform of any sort might not be the real thing…whether it is someone knocking on your door in uniform or someone stopping you late at night in the city or on the highway or on a lonely road.

Women live with hypotheticals every second of their lives.

Right on. Thanks for the story.

Thing that makes this story tougher is that Gates’ undeniable ego complicated things. Kind of a story with no bad guys, or maybe no good guys. And very sad for everyone.

Gates is the one who racially profiled. He assumed because Crowley was a white cop that he was racist and picking on him because he was black.

Gates brought up race, Gates refused to comply with orders, and he accused crowley of being racist.

Gates is wrong wrong wrong.

And if you were to act the same way, I’m sure you would be arrested or tasered.

All I will say is “danger Will Robinson”… we still don’t really know these people yet. Looks can be deceiving.

Now that we’re doing hypotheticals. Suppose a Martian came to your house and demanded your ID, wouldn’t you be pissed?

You. Do. Not. Know. What. This. Was. Like.

By your own refusal to even try to imagine it, you’ve admitted as much. I wish you would at least try, because then maybe there would be an interesting conversation. But dialogue is impossible without empathy.

I sent an email and also called the (non-emergency) main phone number, and I kept it brief. I said: Hello, my name is___ and I am calling from NYC; I just wanted to send my support and good wishes to all of you there.”

He said: “Thank you very much for taking the time to call and for sending us your support, we appreciate it.” He sounded nice.
_________

Thank you for contact info!

You will have to change Obama’s title to “Interferor-in-Chief. I am already so sick of that family and there are almost 3-1/2 years to go. It seems like he has been in Washington forever.

too true….

I hear you.

But do they live in THIS hypothetical? Are women regularly detained by cops for doing nothing illegal? Black men are. I imagine it’s quite frustrating.

That fact, and the various facts of sexism, aren’t in competition with each other. In fact, they should be allies. It’s sad to see that for some people, this isn’t the case.

Here we are, folks. Here is a typical non-answer that the obots and their dear leader love.^^^^^

HAHAHA!

Well, I wouldn’t hold my breath for Eugene Robinson to eat crow on this; the narrative will just end up being twisted into: “White people always win. Therefore, we black people really are the victims.”

Officer Crowley acted appropriately by arresting Gates. The officers didn’t know whether or not Gates was in control of his impulses; if he was so enraged that he was screaming, threatening, and insulting officers, Gates could have gone back into the home and grabbed a gun and started shooting.

When the officer asks you to step outside–even if its your home–it’s because he can’t take the risk of stepping inside; particularly when he has a report of TWO MEN, and he can only see one of them. The officer doesn’t know where the other person is, or whether or not the other person could be a threat. It’s a common sense safety protocol.

I hope Gates realizes what an ass he’s made of himself; I suspect he doesn’t YET realize it, because he’s probably getting all these indignant, righteous black friends calling him up to support his RACIST attitude. But Gates never made it a point to stick up for blacks before; the Jena Six, anyone remember Prof. Gates speaking out on that one? I don’t recall Gates being front and center. And, yet, the moment he was confronted with an officer asking questions–JUST WORDS!–Gates went out of control, screaming racism!

WHAT A HYPOCRITE, HUH?

Gates has shown himself to be paranoid, a bully, an elitist, a hypocrite, and a man of little character who thinks nothing of berating someone lower on the economic ladder than himself, just because he thought he could get away with it.

Turns out the little bully picked on the wrong cop.

. . You believe white women over black men.”

What does that mean? Does Gates, in his cast system mind, think because Obama trashed a woman to steal the election the pecking order is now: white man, black man, white woman?

What does this say about the wonderful Professor Gates opinion of white women or women in general?

I hope they reinstate the charges and jury finds him guilty and that cop takes the elitist snob to court and ends up owning Gates home on Martha’s Vineyard and he doesn’t let Obama and Michelle come to visit.

read the rest of the thread, please. those numbers aren’t actually hypotheticals — they’re real numbers taken from racial profiling studies.

apology accepted.

elizabethrc:

I was standing right behind you. Didn’t you see me wave ? (snark off) The “stupid” comment was clearly opinion, and there is no such thing as a truthful or false opinion; though there can be ill-informed or misguided opinions, there is no basis for assessing an opinion based on truth or falsity. Obama did make several statements that purported to be statements of fact, however, and those statements were basically true, even if they should have been stifled before they left his mouth. In my opinion, the “stupid” allegation made by Obama was uncalled for and could not possibly have done anyone any good. The other statements, while factual in nature, were inappropriate for the time and place, and a general “no comment” statement would have probably been in order. The factual statements dealt with a history of racial profiling and how that history has rightfully caused anger and suspicion in the Black Community. In my profession, I’ve read too many police reports and listened to so many sworn statements in court that turn out to have minimal connection to the truth, once an investigation and cross examination have ben completed. The statements are drafted and submitted after the fact to justify the actions taken. I too would prefer hearing the tapes of the 911 call and radio transmissions, as they may give a more accurate picture of perceptions at the time (though they may be no more “truthful”, as eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable). There is plenty of blame to go around in this story, and I agree with Doceider’s opinion that this matter did not involve racial profiling, just two stubborn and prideful individuals. Unfortunately for Gates, the other individual had a badge and a gun and arrest powers, even though I believe that those powers were abused in this situation, even if legally exercised. If the officer had left without making an arrest, he would be the “good guy” in this sorry mess. Instead, he is just another actor who, in my OPINION, exercised poor judgment as well.

From what I can see Gates is building a big ole case against himself. Watch Gates in some of the press conferences, he is barely holding it sometimes.

Crowley has taken a lot of comments to his face and been so and not said anything. that takes a lot.

Oh by the way did any see the Gates wants to make a movie. Ok Gates is looking for racist or fame or $$$ or ????
“He also said he wanted to make a movie about the subject and take other steps to keep it from happening to someone else. “If it could happen to me,” he said, “it could happen to anybody–anybody black, but also anybody less fortunate than me of any color.” [LA replies: What shall Gates call this opus of oppression? Maybe, “Skip Gates, the Emmet Till of our time”?”
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013748.html

Another excellent contribution. You guys are good.

If you scroll down just a few inches on your browser, you might notice the grownups having a conversation.

From what century?

Not especially. I’d just assume that Obama had operatives on Mars and that his next objective was to become Emperor of the Solar System.

its not only fox news — real clear does too…I like real clear since it averages a lot of polls that are out there.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

lmao…….

This is a very interesting read by Dr. Boyce Watkins. I feel he did the best job of commenting on Obama’s statement. Oh by the way he is black.

http://www.bvblackspin.com/2009/07/23/dr-boyce-obamas-big-mistake-in-supporting-harvard-professor-g//

The main point here is this. Any President of any color should have had more class than to respond to a question like this.

I have heard that Ms Sweet has close ties to Obama, also heard they hated each other. What is true is they both have lived in Chicago. They KNOW each other. I think Obama had her ask the question at the end of the presser because he and Gates had talked about it. He did it to sooth a chip on the shoulder friend from Harvard. Had this friend helped him in someway in the past with Harvard. Dunno.

Main thing is O made himself look and sound week and childish.

He also has driven this country further apart. Mission accomplished?

Mine went out too, thanks for the link

it got the news off of health care.

Seriously, you’re a grown-up? Let’s see some ID, please.

Meanwhile…

So, I’m just curious now. If I see a person or people looking like they are breaking into a house, what color or ethnicity do they have to be before I call the police? Who do I NOT call about? Just want to get the rules right.

Now you are playing the racism card. This just proves my point. A trival situation becomes a national issue by someone playing the race card. Racial profiling is the issue and failure to accept the responsibility for your actions is a by product of this.

Agreed……Found this a few minutes ago and found it funny and right on target.

Has Liberalism Jumped the Shark?

T

he term “Jump the Shark” has been with us for a while. The clever metaphor is used for the moment when something of cultural significance begins to lose its luster, and descends into lameness. It is a reference to the T.V. show “Happy Days,” specifically the episode when Fonzie water skied over shark infested waters. This is the precise moment where the show began to decline.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lscott/2009/07/24/has-liberalism-jumped-the-shark/

It is amazing how you can know the motivations of someone you don’t know. Why don’t you back up your big mouth with some actions that will make a difference to society rather than call people racist and elitists. When we didn’t support Obama we were called racist now you have the nerve to do the same thing here.

Somehow this all reminds me of the Obama administration refusing to prosecute the Black Panthers in Philadelphia for voter intimidation. Can he be a leader for all races?

And I suppose you know all about attorney/client privilege since you are all knowing.

Wow, RCP has dropped even from this morning. Not even Gallup -which usually has the higher or highest percentage for Obama – is saving this one.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99L06280&show_article=1

Obama calls white policeman who arrested scholar

WASHINGTON (AP) – President Barack Obama has called the white policeman who arrested black Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. The president says he believes the sergeant to be an outstanding police officer.

The president said Friday that he continues to think both the officer, Sgt. James Crowley, and Gates overreacted during the incident—but Obama also faulted his own comments.

Making an impromptu appearance at the daily White House briefing, Obama told reporters: “I could’ve calibrated those words differently.”

Sad that Obama felt it was necessary to weigh in on this topic. The truth is most people see how he views things.

Latest news Obama called Sgt. James Crowley, but the headline “Obama calls white policeman who arrested scholar” makes one wonder what we are coming to.

http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20090724/4a693fd0_3ca6_15526200907242060114807

It is amazing to watch morning Joe and see how the air of arrogance was raised. The commentators that supported Gates, did not want to hear the other side, they made up their minds and kept repeating how he was a small man in is own home. They need to read the report and I understand that the police have some tapes that clearly show that Gates was out of control.

This whole incident has been stirring up a lot of emotion because race relations have reverted back to times before I was born. This is extremely sad, since the victims this time is going to be everyone.

This never should have been a racist incident but Gates made it one, it is clear Crowley was trying to understand and diffuse the situation only to be antagonized into making an arrest since this was what Gates wanted.

It’s becoming painfully clear that Obama is not a president of all Americans. He is still filtering everything through his own racial bias.

The promotion of a united america has come to a grinding halt. IMHO

I dont think Obama knows how to apologize.
If I remember it was his staff that did any apology in his name..
Someone correct me if I am wrong but Obama’s staff did admit to several groofs, and said Obama apologized, but I cant remember Obama directly apologizing.

Wait Wait he has apologized to numerous countries for particular actions of America…Hmmm is that the same?

First, you are referring to 12 year old statistics. Second, I would be curious to know the race of the ticketing officers. Third, these statistics seem to suggest that black drug dealers should probably get ‘white guys’ to transport their drugs.

Were was the second person all this time? Who was he? Did Gates have something to hide? Is that why he came off the way he did. Was Gates on coke?

I think Obama really dislikes white people. That is why he is always playing the race card. Just Like Michelle Obama. “For the first time in my life I’m proud to be an American.”

OK, here is one for you.

Let’s say I am a woman, and I have been raped, and I know about all of these statistics:

Every 9 seconds, a woman is battered in the U.S.

95% of all victims of domestic violence are women.

Domestic Violence is the single major cause of injury to women, more than muggings and car accidents combined.

Domestic Violence is the cause of 30% of physical disabilities in women.

50% of all women murdered in the United States are killed by a spouse or an acquaintance.

Domestic Violence occurs in 60% of marriages and is the most underreported crime.

90% of battered women reported that their children were present when they were beaten. etc….

But I don’t live in fear and paranoia, and I don’t profile and assume that every man I encounter is going to attack me, abuse me, or beat me.

You are sure right on the one.
Obama has managed to not only alienate whites, but police officers and several prominent black people.

Well, apparently, you shouldn’t call about blacks because one just might be a Harvard professor and friend of Barack and you just might be being a racist.

That was one question I keep asking.
Plus the fact…Most people who are acting the way Gates are usually suspected of something more. Most people dont go off on cops unless they have something to hide or a guilty conscieous…
Hmmm Ok crazy but I will throw it out there so people can jump me LOL

what was Gates doing in China, any weird artifacts with him.

And dont give me the age thing as a defense for Gates.
…Look at who New Jersey just rustled up in a raid.

coke? what are you talking about?

the second guy was the driver and he had already left.

because a white woman said gates was a robber.

i very much appreciate his comments about abuse inflicted towards women, and the need to verify that *gates* had a right to be there.

What makes me believe Obama just saw this as an opportunity to work some Alinsky stuff on us was his including Latinos in his comment. I have never noticed black leaders being willing to share the power of “white guilt” with anyone else. To me, Obama was just trying to divide us and gain some support in the Latino community.

Just a crazy Thought, but I know a few will understand it.
Anyone heard about “NJ Crew” – mayors, assemblymen, rabbis, lately…Seems like it kind of disappeared due to the Gates mess.

Right now its the Health Care(getting pushed aside a bit) and Gates.

There is a commentator who said to always watch both hands even if one is making more noise. What is in Obama’s other hand?

O believes his own hype…it is taking him a while to come back down to earth and reality…

he’s a rookie making rookie mistakes and instead of being a uniter…O has flamed the racial fires and succeeded in dividing and polarizing the country on racial lines…

…but heck, O and his supporters led us to believe that Hill and Bill, Ed Rendell, and Jerry Ferraro were racists…

…right back at you O…

Apparently Obama is asking for a meeting at the WH between Gates and Crowley over beer. (rumor so far, cant seem to find backup).

If it is true I think Obama needs to step far away and step away fast.
Yes there needs to be a meeing but Obama is not the one to mediate it. Obama has already proven that he is biased.
If in fact Crowley and Gates meet at the WH with Obama, Crowley should make sure he has several of his best friends that he can totally trust with him at all times, preferably videoing it all.

i am gay and female; you may not be aware of it, but there is actually discrimination against gays and women in america. nevertheless, if, let’s say, i don’t get a job that i apply for, i am not just going to ASSUME that it was sexism without any evidence. it’s called giving other people the fair treatment that i want to receive myself.

Gates just ASSUMED he was the victim of racism, without any evidence whatsoever, accused an officer who was protecting HIS property of being a racist, and generally made an ass out of himself.

We have three observations about the Harvard professor incident:

1. We find it interesting that the fact that this was the professor’s home was evidently not established early on way before the dispute escalated;

2. We find it fascinating that the versions of two members of society, who most would ordinarily view as responsible and honest citizens (this obviously does not include politicians), would vary so dramatically from a factual point of view.

3. Finally, considering that the reading and viewing public were not present at the scene (and thus have no first hand knowledge), and that there is no video tape to our knowledge of the sequence of events and what was said, how so many have formed conclusions, and made assumptions, about who did what and who was wrong.

There are some things which Professor Gates might have considered upon the arrival of the police, no matter how incensed he may have been.

he said it live, he interrupted the press briefing.

Due to the reckless use of the race card there is a possibility that other real discrimination suits will not be listened to.

Like I said at another place People are getting tired of people calling wolf…So people are turning a deaf ear when they hear it anymore.

People are also tired of people using sex, color, gender, sexual orientation or _______(fill in the blank) to excuse their behavior, especially when it is wrong. As a “Get out of Jail Card”

This is being done to me because I am _________!!!

i think that women do receive longer sentences than men for the same crime, last time i heard, FWIW. and as for the profiling of black men, some of it just may be rooted in the fact that they commit more crimes than other people. yes, there is racism in america, and of course it’s wrong, but the facts and evidence do matter, don’t they. one can’t just scream racism any time a black person is stopped by the cops.

i notice that you didn’t say anything about the profiling of young males in general; perhaps because you understand that they commit the most crimes, therefore it makes perfect sense to “profile” them. duh. women don’t commit that many crimes (proportionally), so maybe that’s why they’re not profiled.

you need to read my other posts on this. there are witnesses, and yes, there are tapes.

Black officer at scholar’s home supports arrest

A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.’s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.

Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates’ reaction to Crowley was “a little bit stranger than it should have been.”

Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said supported Crowley “100 percent.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/us_news/2009/Jul/24/black_officer_at_scholar_s_home_supports_arrest.html

CA you have it right on Crowley going to the WH.
Crowley would be crazy to go there without several of his friends and a close friend videoing taping it.

Obama should not be meddling in this anymore. Obama has done enough damage.
He should just apologize and get his biased butt out of the situation. He doesnt belong.

AHS – I replied to you further down – not sure how we got out of whack.

Why did Obama respond at all to the question when he didn’t have the facts? It would have been more intelligent to say he couldn’t comment because he didn’t have all the facts.

In any case, the facts will be known when the tapes are released. It might be helpful to remember the POTUS is biracial and he didn’t get there just on black votes.

No intelligent person would claim racial profiling hasn’t and doesn’t exist in this country, but was it applied in this situation? Don’t think so. The race card was played by Gates first and then Obama.

Many very liberal people on this site who have supported Civil Rights in marches and votes were called racist simply because we supported another candidate. And where do you think these black congress people came from? In big part their election resulted from the support of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

How does it help if you assume the White cop was wrong and the Black professor was right when you don’t know the facts and how is that not racist?

How is possible to be ‘allies’ with sexism??? Cause black culture is sexist and mysogynist. You’re a little bit confuse.

I’m not assuming anybody is right or wrong.
The only thing I’ve been trying, perhaps clumsily, to establish is that Gates’ overreaction is not so hard to understand. He’s as highly aware of the disparities in police treatment that blacks face as anybody. Those disparities should make anybody mad. I’m not a bit surprised that he reacted the way he did.

Frankly, if I were a black man in that situation, I bet I would have made the same mistakes. It’s a sad story, and I don’t see why people here are in such a rush to demonize Gates (let alone Obama).

Did I detect that Gates is s-l-o-w-l-y admitting to some complicity in his arrest for disorderly conduct in that report from real clear politics?

This whole incident should be over save reviewing whether the charges against Gates should be reinstated.

I’ve perused comments on other sites. The mood is definitely changed towards Obama….not so good for him.

Wait Wait he has apologized to numerous countries for particular actions of America…Hmmm is that the same?

LOL, good one!

Seriously, you’re a grown-up? Let’s see some ID, please.

OMG, ROFLMAO!!!!

You know, I remember that episode now. I remember thinking at the time how “uncool” Fonzie looked after supposedly jumping the shark. The thing was Fonz didn’t have to do anything to be cool but be the Fonz. But I think the show was on the way down before that and that is why it had gone to shark jumping t begin with. Thanks for that. As the Fonz would say… eeeeeeyyyyyyy.

I don’t see why people here are in such a rush to demonize Gates (let alone Obama).

You gotta be kidding, right?

Maybe it’s because we’ve been paying attention and you haven’t. Besides, we aren’t “rushing” to “demonize” anyone. We have simply been observing the demonic behavior by BO and his BFFs over the last 2 years.

Good pts.

IA. BO played yet another race card and the police called his bluff. His house of race cards is falling.

Now that he has dissed the media again (1st TV interview as Pres. with whom??? Suckers! lol), maybe they will finally open their eyes.

No room under the BO bus? Maybe that’s why he funded Amtrak.

Then perhaps Gates needs to see a psychologist, to get a handle on his overreactive anger and inability to examine a situation before behaving irrationally.

“and Gates says, “You believe a white woman before a black man.””

lol I guess he figured the police officer was a PUMA.

Gates is a member of Harvard’s African and African American Studies Department and that he is the Director of the W. E. B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research.

Google W. E. B. Du Bois…What? Another communist association linked to obama? How many is that? I lost count.

I’m sick to death of the racists and their promoters making excuses for their racism.

And with their racism, claiming everyone else is, because of their own. And with folks, like Eugene Robinson who lost any respect from any normal person who is not a HObot that didn’t drink HObama’s koolaide, a year and a half ago, wants to continue calling on “racial profiling”. Except, they won’t admit this wasn’t a case of racial profiling, at least, not by the officer, but by them.

They are becoming nothing but whining name callers, presidenot Obama, included.

“disorderly conduct”
The racial component is besides the issue. A man was literally arrested for being uppity.You can’t get arrested for disorderly conduct in your own home. PERIOD.

And for hard core conservatives to thoroughly endorse arresting people for hurting a cop’s feelings is mind numbing. The right wing is completely advocating for the very opposite of what they believe solely because it hurts Obama.

The right wing is completely advocating for the very opposite of what they believe

But most here are far from right wingers. I am one of the lifelong republican heretics here, and from the start I saw this as a private property and individual rights issue… period. Race has been injected and those who jump in this are going to get stung. Playing race from the right is a fool’s game. Plus, it isn’t necessary, this is about individual rights. If we won’t stand up fr the rights of somebody we may personally agree with… then we won’t retain our own rights for very long. To make this about Obama is also a foolish move. Obama is a formidable political opponent and is nobody’s fool.

Wow, I had no idea that Larry Johnson was racist. I’m a well-informed person and thought that he was a source of good information, but this makes me now question all that he has done. This is my first and last vistit to this site.

He wasn’t in his house, he followed the officer outside and kept shooting his mouth off. I’ll trust the police report before the media.

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/Police%20report%20on%20Gates%20arrest.PDF

Obviously you are a ID ten T. Spell it out….ID10T

Gates is supposed to be a leader. There are legitimate and illegitimate police stops. If the stop is legitimate, but a poor, young black assumes its profiling and follows Gates’ example, his life could be destroyed.

And if I were a ‘white cop’ in this situation, I would think the person yelling at me might be irrational.